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#rockbox log for 2007-12-25

00:00:25 Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com)
00:02:13ddaltonBagder: ok just out of curiosity why did you use your site not a port in the wiki?
00:02:48Bagderddalton: because I put it on the already existing sansa site I had since before and I host firmware binaries there which we don't do in rockbox
00:03:13ddaltonok. and who is working on the port atm no one?
00:03:30Bagderjudging from the silence in the forums, nobody is working on it
00:03:50ddaltonBagder: ok so would be a help if I could do something?
00:03:55ddaltonit
00:04:01Bagderit certainly would!
00:04:26ddaltonBagder: ok and is it a problem that I am visualy impared?
00:04:46Bagderddalton: not to me, and I really don't know how it will hamper you or not
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00:05:26ddaltonwell it won't help when there is no sound on the player. But by that stage hopefully someone else is working on it with me and they could perhaps test my code.
00:05:36ddaltonhave you ever had a blind programmer do a port?
00:05:52Bagderddalton: I don't think so
00:06:17Bagderddalton: you'll be breaking new grounds! ;-)
00:06:44ddaltonah. and then when I start work on actual rockbox code what happens? do I just have a hundred patches and if someone likes the work been done they are accepted?
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00:07:36Bagderddalton: let's not get carried away, we'll have plenty of time to think about that. A port is a lot of work before rockbox runs...
00:07:59ddalton sure. ok.
00:08:34countrymonkeyI wish 8369 could be committed.
00:08:49ddaltonBagder: So at the minute I don't need to run any code on my sansa? I just need to help try and figure out the file format?
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00:09:37Bagderddalton: correct, but to verify if we know enough someone will have to try to upgrade to a modified firmware at some point not too far away
00:09:57ddaltonah ok. and is that where you can break the player?
00:10:07 Quit ender` (" On the other hand, you have different fingers.")
00:10:25Bagderyes, unless we know there's a fine recovery mode
00:10:50ddaltonBagder: so should I really be working with a 2 gb?
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00:11:21BagderI wouldn't say that
00:11:38ddaltonok good. and what do I do now if I want to join the port?
00:12:08Bagderthere's no secret handshake, start doing whatever you think is worth doing
00:12:51Bagderprovide knowledge you figure out here, in the wiki or on the mailing list
00:12:56sarixedoes anyone know if there's a way to quickly drain the battery of an ipod that is off?
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00:14:21countrymonkeyerm... turn it on?
00:14:55countrymonkeyand start playing music without headphones connected?
00:15:21bobrulesshort circuit it
00:15:26ddaltonBagder: and is all the progress or all the stuff that has been done listed on the urls you gave me?
00:15:46Bagderddalton: I think so
00:16:02amiconnmrf, fnarfbargle.com is *still* not arm-multilibs-patched
00:16:17ddaltonBagder: ok. and is there any info we can get out of sandisk what so ever? I thought people said they had a contact?
00:16:43Bagderddalton: I have a contact. Forget sandisk, they don't provide info.
00:16:58ddaltonok what is your contact for then?
00:17:15Bagderddalton: I gave him my address, he sent me hw
00:17:34ddaltonhw?
00:17:38Bagderhardware
00:17:41Bagderplayers
00:17:45ddaltonoh
00:17:54ddaltonwhat he gave you free ones or gave you docs
00:18:15Bagder"I gave him my address, he sent me hw"
00:18:17linuxstbamiconn: Did I read that you have an M3 now?
00:18:33Bagderddalton: there was no docs mentioned in that line and that was on purpose
00:18:42ddaltonok sorry
00:18:55amiconnlinuxstb: yup
00:19:51linuxstbDoes it have buttons on the main device, but no LCD?
00:19:58ddaltonok well I'll look around and find some documentation on what I need to do exactly. or whatever I can find. where do I get the firmware file I have to work out?
00:20:01amiconnlinuxstb: yes
00:20:20Bagderddalton: on that v2 page
00:20:31amiconnIt has an indicator led though, telling you in what mode the device currently is
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00:20:39Bagderddalton: I have 6 different v2 firmware files there, one of them for the e200v2
00:20:55ddaltonand that is the file that the sansa loads and runs which displays everything.
00:21:02amiconnblue == audio playback (blinking == paused), green == fm radio, orange == recording (blinking == paused)
00:21:11ddaltonand plays the music?
00:21:19Bagderddalton: it is the entire OF, yes
00:21:43amiconnThen 2 more leds, one hdd activity indicator (green), and a charging indicator (red)
00:21:48ddaltonso if we can work it out then we should no how it writes to the rtc for example?
00:22:03Bagderddalton: that we read in the docs
00:22:13ddaltonoh ok.
00:22:28linuxstbamiconn: Is the remote the same as the other iaudios?
00:22:35amiconnyes
00:22:45ddaltonand one more question. What do I need to know? I know c. but should probably read another book since I don't understand a lot still.
00:22:52amiconnOnly the case colour differs (silver, as the main unit body)
00:23:39Bagderddalton: I really can't tell, you need to figure it out
00:23:41ddaltonso do I just need to know c?
00:23:48ddalton[6~[6~[Bso do I just need to know c?
00:24:31ddaltonok. but is it just c or do we also write other code not in c?
00:24:33linuxstbddalton: If you're starting a new port, you'll need to know the appropriate assembly language - mainly for reading a disassembly of the original firmware. In your case it will be ARM.
00:24:52ddaltonI have only hacked the voice ui and a little bit more than that like buttons...
00:25:24ddaltonso should I find a book on ARM and read up on that?
00:27:58ddaltonok well I'll think about it and ask a few people about it and find out what i won't be able to do when I am blind. I will also study my c book a bit more and read something on arm.
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00:28:16ddaltonthanks for all the info Bagder
00:28:38ddaltonand linuxstb thanks for the help
00:28:41Bagderddalton: good luck on your ventures!
00:28:52countrymonkeyCould 8369 get a look?
00:28:59ddaltonthanks.
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03:48:24SoulPropagationI have a Sansa c200. Sansapatcher doesn't see it. It shows up on my computer and I can access it through E: and the volume label is SANSA C250. I've tried the player on two different computers. In UMS mode. What am I doing wrong here? (I've used ipodpatcher before and it worked just fine)
03:49:11LloreanWhat version of the original firmware is it running?
03:50:04SoulPropagationwhatever the latest is, 3.x. Do you need the build number?
03:52:34advcomp2019SoulPropagation, if you have 3.xx.xx for sansa firmware, that is a v2
03:53:16SoulPropagationcrap. Any way I can patch it to 2.x?
03:54:29advcomp2019SoulPropagation, nope, you cant put the 1.xx.xx on it since it is different hardware
03:56:01SoulPropagationadvcomp2019: are the v2s unsupportable (a la ipod classic etc)?
03:56:40advcomp2019SoulPropagation, basically yes
03:56:54krazykitSoulPropagation, don't hold your breath for a port; there is a port, but it's in the very, very early stages.
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03:58:04SoulPropagationwhat are the changes between v1 and v2
03:58:21krazykitSoulPropagation, the major change is completely different hardware.
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04:00:09SoulPropagationWell, I'm trying to set up a c200 for my mom, who makes mp3s to practice off of (she's a professional singer). I need to either have directory based browsing OR a way to batch-tag files based on their directory structure.
04:01:08krazykitSoulPropagation, either buy a v1 (most refurbished items) or look up tag&rename (in which case it's no longer rockbox related)
04:02:44SoulPropagationkrazykit: our flight is in exactly 12 hours. no way we can find a furby that fast. you're saying tag&rename can tag files based on their parent folder?
04:05:33krazykitSoulPropagation, pretty sure it can. it's offtopic in this channel though, to go any further, but i recall it being easy enough. good luck!
04:06:52SoulPropagationkrazykit: which is why I don't plan to.
04:06:58SoulPropagationNow... is there anything I can do to help?
04:07:49krazykitSoulPropagation, for the porting? read today's log. there's a discussion of what needs to be done on the v2 to get the port going. having C and ASM experience helps.
04:08:43SoulPropagationhmmm... not my strong suit, I prefer higher level stuff. I could help design the interface or something...
04:10:04krazykitwell, you could start writing viewports ;-)
04:14:52SoulPropagationkrazykit: sounds good to me. I'm also sort of designing an mp3 player... mostly just in my head but I've got a lot of experience with mp3 players and I think I've quite possibly thought up a pretty good one. I dunno what that's worth but I could license the design to rockbox or something.
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04:22:44krazykitSoulPropagation, there's a few people working on a open-source hardware for rockbox.
04:24:24SoulPropagationkrazykit: Is that on the wiki somewhere?
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04:30:34krazykitSoulPropagation, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer
04:31:26Mouser_XDang! Beat me to it.
04:31:41*Mouser_X had to read the logs, and search for it...
04:32:02krazykitit was in the latest ML topic is how i got there that fast ;-)
04:32:13Mouser_XAh.
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04:34:29|NSA|how hard is it to make plugins for rockbox and is there somke kind of doxygwn api for it?
04:34:45|NSA|ignore all my typoes
04:35:33krazykit|NSA|, rockbox is written in C (with smatterings of of ASM).
04:36:21krazykitthere's a short example plugin, as well as all the other plugins included in the source to show you how they work.
04:44:13SoulPropagationHmm... so no touchpad?
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05:33:03naurushello, i have done some manual compiling before, but i completley forgot how!
05:35:13naurusummm, it looks like nobody is responding, but i'm not sure. i'm on the web client
05:35:32krazykithttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
05:35:44naurusha, that would help thanks
05:35:50krazykitalso, do have patience. it IS christmas you know.
05:36:26naurusyes yes, but i've run into problems with firefox and ajax before seems how i'm a webdesigner lol
05:36:59naurusi think you've helped me out on a few things before, so you've got to know a lot so i have one more Q
05:37:27nauruswhere is the function MENUITEM_FUNCTION() stored?
05:38:15naurusoh wait, menu.h i think
05:39:02Workaphobiathat was my first thought, I just pulled it up to check
05:39:38naurusi'm not finding it in there :\
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05:42:52naurusstill havent found it. i havent touched C code in years, and i want to get back into it, and i thought this would be a great way
05:43:15Workaphobiareally? I see it on line 181 of mine, it's a macro
05:44:00nauruswell there ya go! oops, thought it was commented out because i'm used to shell and javascript
05:44:01naurusthanks
05:44:16Workaphobiaheh, np.
05:44:40WorkaphobiaYeah rockbox is pretty good for tackling simple projects. I used it this past semester for a class.
05:44:51Workaphobia(Still have to make a patch, actually. I should get on that.)
05:44:56naurusand thanks krazykit for that link and the help you've given me in the past with the splash screen. im such a newb :P
05:45:39nauruslol thanks again but i g2g so merry christmas
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05:52:22naurus_againkrazykit: is there a linux version of that link you sent me for the simple guide to compiling?
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05:53:36Cannolihey i was on rockbox themes looking up themes for an ipod video 5.5 g and i noticed the site is down. are there any mirrors for themes>?
05:53:43Cannolior that page in perticular?
05:54:22naurus_againkrazykit: nvm, i think i found an alternative
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05:59:26Cannoli?
05:59:30Cannolianyone?
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06:01:50advcomp2019Cannoli, the theme page works here
06:02:07Cannolidoes the theme page for the ipod video 5.5g work?
06:02:40advcomp2019nope, but try the wiki on rockbox then
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06:03:47Cannoliare there themes for the 5.5g there?
06:04:13advcomp2019there is some
06:06:49Cannolioh ok
06:06:51Cannolithank you
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07:41:07Kwenteenjoyezu nawel lol ya persone en vie
07:41:52Kwenteensont ou les survivors ?
07:42:11Kwenteenbouh tout en rouge zuper
07:42:19Kwenteenbonne niut
07:42:23LloreanThis is an English language channel
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07:47:34LiborHi
07:47:44LiborI need help with WPS
07:48:52LiborI need move with text down, I found command %m, in BarracudaAA wps it move text down, but in my I can only move to left, what´s wrong?
07:53:11Kwenteenhi
07:53:25Kwenteenoup i cant help lol sorry
07:54:33Libornp thanks for respond
07:54:37LloreanLibor: %m only defines the left margin. It may work differently in unofficial, patched versions of Rockbox though
07:55:02Liborand Is there a way to margin text down?
07:56:00Libormove
07:56:02Libor:)
07:56:53Kwenteenuh U work here :)
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07:58:51LiborI want some kind of text, under it progress bar and under it next text.
07:59:34ToGgGwhat is the language ?
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08:00:40ToGgGuh sory
08:00:41ToGgGlol
08:00:45Libor:)
08:00:56ToGgGi will read
08:03:47Liborno one know?
08:08:18LloreanLibor: Text is on whatever line you put it on. It's just line based.
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08:18:03LiborLlorean: Thanks!
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13:06:01groogi have rockbox on sansa e270 and both building database and creating playlist are very slow
13:06:27groogafter one hour it says "building database... 80 found"
13:06:43groogdoes anyone know where's the problem?
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14:30:03webguest72I have a question about the sim. and building on different platforms i.e. vmware and cygwin
14:30:53webguest72if I build on cygwin and run the sim it has a little terminal behind it. but if I build on vmware it's not here anyway to disable this on cygwin ?
14:33:04amiconnThe terminal window is on purpose. On linux you don't get an extra terminal as you start it from one
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14:34:44webguest72yeah but if the sim is build on luinux for windows it doesn't appear. like the ones hosted at rashers site but if i buil dmy own one from current svn its there
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14:35:12amiconn:)
14:35:21pixelma:D
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14:36:54linuxstbGood use of docks ;)
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14:38:48webguest72so there is no way to disable this ?
14:40:32linuxstbYou could try (somehow...) adding the -mno-cygwin flag to the Makefile.
14:41:04Genre9mp3amiconn, pixelma: You should perhaps name it: Rockbox skyscraper
14:41:35amiconnlinuxstb: That won't help - the sim already is compiled with -mno-cygwin
14:41:45amiconnBut it's compiled as a console application
14:42:29amiconnI see no point in disabling it - the sim is a debugging tool, so you need to be able to see the debug messages
14:43:19webguest72I know. but I use it to play music in work. and if that window is open it skips music where as the one on rashers site doesn't. but thtas not always the current svn version.
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16:38:27vmxhi. i want to ubrick a sansa e250r (v1) i was in the manufacturing mode, used the e200tool and i'm now in the recovery mode. the wiki says i really really want to install the binary patched bootloader. which one is it, where cen i find it?
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19:27:50eumesmoI'm desperately trying to connect a CF card to iriver ihp-120 using homebrew adapter, does anyone have a diagram that's bound to work? I have got as far as reading and writing to CF through ihp-120, but booting simply won't work.
19:29:39eumesmoand for some reason I'm unable to eject volume on windows XP
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19:34:27Mouser_Xeumesmo: It looks like you'll have to go elsewhere to get an answer. This is #rockbox. Your question is not a Rockbox question.
19:34:47Mouser_XBesides, I have no idea, sorry.
19:35:14pixelmaeumesmo: the only thing I can do to help is to point to the forum thread... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14211.0
19:35:40eumesmowell, CF mod doesn't work with original firmware
19:38:03eumesmothe main problem is, since I built the adapter myself, it's very hard to diagnose, and that guy doesn't describe behavior
19:38:27eumesmoie, how does a cheap CF card, that doesn't support True IDE, behave
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19:47:21doom27is there anybody outthere
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19:50:57linuxstbdoom27: Yes, there are people here...
19:51:30eumesmodefine outthere
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20:03:14eumesmowhich flash based mp3 player should one buy nowadays if you want rockbox?
20:05:59Galoisprobably the sansa
20:07:54eumesmobut the sansa e200 series has a new revision, no?
20:08:57GaloisI don't think any flash-based rockbox player is current
20:09:24eumesmoI was thinking of getting the sansa connect, but only 4gb, and no microSDHC
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20:09:40Mouser_Xeumesmo: The Sansa is the most recent, and thus the easiest, to get.
20:09:53Mouser_XHowever, you need to make sure that you get a v1, and not a v2.
20:10:12Mouser_X(That would be for the e200 or c200 series.)
20:10:32eumesmoyeah, but it's quite a gamble
20:11:03Mouser_XSomewhat, but not entirely.
20:11:20Mouser_XLook for "audible support" on the box. If you see that, don't get it.
20:11:38Mouser_XIf it's *not* on the box, buy it, and open it while still at the counter.
20:11:57Mouser_XLook at the back of the Sansa unit, and look for v2, if you see that, then ask for a different one.
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20:12:26Mouser_XOr, buy it online, looking for one that calls it a refurbished unit.
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20:12:58eumesmorockbox doesn't support e280R neither, right?
20:23:26eumesmono one here never saw the pinout of that adapter anywhere?
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20:23:43eumesmoor know where I could buy one, the CF to 1.8 IDE
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21:13:12SoapThe E280R (first generation) is fully supported, eum<tab>, and you're gone. :(
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22:16:55thgzhi
22:17:30thgzIn r15172 .voice file encoding is broken
22:18:32rasherthgz: r15172 is pretty old though.
22:19:06rasherWhat do you mean by "file encoding is broken" anyway?
22:19:35thgzOld?
22:19:40thgzI get it from svn
22:19:47thgzI thought it's the latest
22:20:22rasherYou must mean r15972 then
22:20:30thgzI mean that I can't create a .voice file
22:20:49thgzCygwin gimes me a bunch of errors, I upload then to pastebin
22:21:08thgzYes I meant, sorry for that
22:21:37rasherI'll give it a shot, though I don't know much about the cygwin part of the script
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22:23:15thgzthanks
22:26:02thgzok, the log is here:
22:26:06thgzhttp://www.pastebin.ca/832148
22:26:54rasherInteresting
22:28:51rasherSeems make voicetools fails to properly build rbspeexenc
22:30:31rasherPity everything is so slow on cygwin, but I'm attempting to look into it. Don't expect much though, this makefile trickery is not something I enjoy
22:33:00thgzOk, thanks however for looking
22:37:15rasherthgz: I'm afraid this doesn't happen to me. Try running make veryclean, then "V=1 make voicetools" in your build dir and post the results of that on pastebin
22:37:58rasherThe result of V=1 make voicetools, that is. The veryclean is just to make sure you have a clean slate
22:40:24thgzDo I run "make veryclean" in my build dir also?
22:41:49rasheryes
22:42:08thgzOk, I will do that
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22:48:14thgzhttp://www.pastebin.ca/832168
22:48:37thgzThere are "V=1 make voicetools" results
22:49:10rasherThat looks correct though.
22:50:58thgzI piped the results to textfile
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22:51:09rasherAh, did you pipe stderr as well?
22:51:11thgzit didn't include all things
22:51:18rasherV=1 make voicetools > log 2>&1
22:53:08thgzNow the log contains all the output
22:53:13thgzI will post it again
22:55:24thgzhttp://www.pastebin.ca/832179
22:55:42Bagderwow
22:56:47thgzBagder: Can you explain please?
22:58:08Bagdercygwin gives me headache
22:58:38thgzI see
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22:58:48thgzAlso for me sometimes
22:59:12rasherThat's certainly out of my league
22:59:45Bagdergoogling for it made me get lost too
22:59:57thgzyep
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23:00:02thgzbrb
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23:02:21rasherHrm, the genvoice script should include the encoder-name in the hashed string when using the clip-pool feature.
23:02:24rasherDoes it?
23:02:57rashervoice.pl, that is
23:03:21rasherAh yes, it does indeed
23:05:23thgzok here again
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23:13:30rasherIt seems to be related to -mno-cygwin in some way, according to google
23:14:01Bagderwhy is that switched used in the first place?
23:14:05Bagderswitch
23:14:56thgzIs that switched on in the script by default?
23:15:03thgzI haven't used that switch
23:15:07rasherI think it's related to running voice.pl outside of cygwin, but I'm not sure
23:15:30rasherOr possibly something about how rbutil uses rbspeex
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23:29:52Bagderthegeek: try editing the makefile and remove it
23:30:26thegeekI assume that's meant for thgz;P
23:30:46Bagderoops...
23:30:48Bagdersorry
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23:54:44manat33does anyone know any open firmware alternative to the Spi MP3 player?
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23:55:25manat33or does anyone know OF the Spi player?
23:56:42advcomp2019manat33, the supported players are on the home page.. unless you know C and can port it
23:57:38manat33oh, i know. i was wondering if anyone had any experience with the spi player
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23:58:28Bagdergoogle can't seem to show me such a device
23:58:45Bagderwhat is "the spi player" ?
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