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#rockbox log for 2007-12-26

00:00:01advcomp2019manat33, do you have a link?
00:00:09manat33supports mp3, asf, wav, wma,wmv
00:00:16manat33just a sec
00:01:13manat33http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4BUlQIZzU
00:01:43manat33their homepage is http://www.techsupportspi.com
00:04:46Bagderthat site seems to be located on the moon judging from its speed
00:05:00manat33indeed
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00:06:13dapatilwhy can't rockbox run on the 3rd gen nano ?
00:06:30Bagderdapatil: because nobody ported rockbox to that target
00:07:22Workaphobiadapatil: I believe it's because apple put more restrictions on the hardware, so that it won't play unauthorized firmwares. If that's not the case, I'd be very happy, as I have that model.
00:08:19dapatilare there tools available to disassemble apple firmware ?
00:10:35BagderI would say that by asking that question makes you not the man to attempt this...
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00:13:28dapatilBadger: I can always try. I may not succeed. But I'll definitely learn a lot in the process.
00:13:59Bagderif I'm not mistaking, that firmware is encrypted on disk
00:14:19Bagder"disk" being the nand
00:14:47Bagderbut it has an ARM core so anything that can disassemble ARM code is possible to use
00:15:00Bagderfrom objdump to IDA pro
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00:17:21dapatilBadger: thanks.
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00:32:40edistarhi there, I have a question. I installed rockbox on my ipod nano 1G and it works very well.. but everytime I disable hold I have to wait a few seconds(and press buttons?) before it starts reacting, is that a bug or normal?
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00:33:42waldo Recently got a sansa c200 .. in the software it says its version 01.00.03E .. is that one 'rockboxable' ?
00:33:59waldoit didn't say V2 on the box .. so im keeping my fingers crossed
00:34:10Bagderyes it is
00:34:15Bagderrockboxable I mean
00:34:26waldotnx and whooohooo .. :P
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00:42:28waldoBagder: can i install rockbox with the player set to MSC mode ? 'cause otherwise it doesn't always show up in my linux ... or after a VERY long wait
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00:45:03advcomp2019waldo, you need to in MSC mode to install rockbox
00:46:36waldok, that's good ;) ... now i do have 2 other questions 1. it says my bootloader is up-to-date .. so i'll leave that for what it is .. right ? 2. i get a download error (http error 41)
00:48:08waldoi've never heard of http error 41 .. do they mean 401 ? cause that would be acces denied or something linke that :S
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00:50:43waldonvm ... restarted rbutilqt ... fixed it :)
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00:58:14waldotrying tro get rbutilqt to install it .. put the player in MSC mode ... rbutilqt detects it .. after putting in the right mountpoint ... then when i want to do a full install it says there is already an up-to-date bootloader on my player (new player never had rockbox on it) so i tell it to install it anyways ... wich ends up with a message about an 'unsupported install method' .. what am i missing ?
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01:08:28amiconnGah, typical
01:08:38amiconnM3 OF can't even play mp3 gapless
01:09:05rasherDid you honestly expect it to?
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01:10:19amiconnNot sure what to expect, really... the ooold archoses did gapless in the OF (-nogap style only, of course)
01:15:36waldohttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/linux64amd64/sansapatcher ==> gives me a 404 .. where else can i get the patcher ?
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01:24:26Lloreanwaldo: Try using the 32-bit linux one, or compile your own
01:25:07waldo.. on a 64bit linux :) .. building ... tnx
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01:26:06Lloreanwaldo: Being on 64-bit linux doesn't strictly mean you can't execute 32-bit binaries.
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01:26:41waldo.. i know .. but seeing as how this will be writing raw (from what i've read) .. i'm not going to fuck around :P
01:27:02waldoalso .. does it need to be mounted when trying to use sansapatcher ?
01:27:47waldonvm .. just had to replug it
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01:40:31waldok .. it works ... almost ... i have rockbox runnign ... even the games work .. and even the fm tuner i didn't find in the orig software is working fine .. it just CRASHES completely when i plug in the usb cable :S
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01:41:47waldomy bad .... need to turn it of first i just saw
01:41:54waldo.. making a fool of myself here :D
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02:40:14ddaltonhow do I tell the difference between an ipod clasic and an ipod video 5.5 gen 80 gb?
02:40:54Shaidthey look completely different
02:41:22Shaidthe classic has a more rounded edge finish
02:41:28waldo.... just wanted to say .. FUCKING HELL this is GREAT software .. thanks a shitload to everyone that coded to get this working .. only got it running an hour and already i LOVE it :)
02:41:50waldooh that .. and ... merry chrismas
02:41:53ddaltonis the clasic thinner than the 5.5 gen 80 gv?
02:42:07Shaidhave you turned it on, ddalton?
02:42:11Shaidthe classic has a new menu system
02:42:17Shaidwith images on the right, and the menu on the left.
02:42:22ddaltonno its a friend's and his blind like me
02:43:24Shaidoh, that could make it harder
02:43:31Shaidthe 5.5g has a flat front
02:43:48ddaltonyep I could tell the difference between the nanos. but haven't found anything on the clasic.
02:43:59ddaltonso what were you saying about the edges?
02:44:13midkay5.5g = flat, plastic front with hard edges.. classic = aluminum front with rounded edges..
02:44:15ddaltonand which one is thinner?
02:44:24midkaythey're about the same thickness.
02:44:45midkayby "the edges" i mean where the front meets the sides..
02:45:07midkayit's a right angle on the 5.5gs, but the classics are rounded.
02:45:38ddaltonwhere are the images on the 5.5 gen?
02:45:56midkaysorry?
02:49:35ddaltonI am pretty sure it is a clasic. but any other ways to be 100% sure? he can get sighted help too.
02:51:42ddaltonok I am blind. But could someone find me a clasic photo and a video photo?
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02:52:11jangofetthi there
02:52:18jangofetti get a lot of skipping in my rockbox
02:52:22jangofettcan anyone give me some advice?
02:53:13jangofetti have tried switching themes to a minimalistic theme(dosblue) and turned off everything i thought could be causing it
02:55:35ddaltonno one can help me find two photos?
02:55:49ddaltonone of ipod video 5.5 gen 80 gb nd clasic 80 gb?
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02:59:08advcomp2019ddalton, here is a photo.. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG
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03:02:14ddaltonTHX. so which one is the video and which is the clasic?
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03:03:21advcomp2019the one on the left is the classic and the right one is the video
03:03:47ddaltonok thanks.
03:03:59ddaltonIll send it to him.
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03:11:52ddaltonanyone know of a jpg viewer for the cli?
03:13:43psycho_maniacWhat would one think about a PlayersSupported and PlayersNotSupported wiki pages?
03:13:57*zicho is away: I'm busy
03:14:15ddaltonif its not a supported player its not listed on the front page...
03:14:22ddaltonwhats wrong with the list on the home page?
03:14:47psycho_maniacit seems that people arent reading the front page.
03:15:17ddaltonwhats going to make them read a harder to find wiki page then?
03:15:35advcomp2019psycho_maniac, that page could be long
03:16:13psycho_maniacand when people ask in the forums if the new classic ipods are supported you could just link to the PlayersNotSupported wiki page and then lock the thread like a recent thread.
03:16:53ddaltonand if you listed all the unsupported player are you going to talk about every single player like the little creative that came out 5 years ago that is 128 mb?
03:17:14psycho_maniacjust probably the most recent players
03:17:53ddaltonif it doesn't say the ipod clasic is supported on the front page then why would people think it is?
03:18:09psycho_maniacDont ask me ask the people that do ask.
03:18:47ddaltonwhy not just say this? "See rockbox.org for a list of supported players."
03:19:49psycho_maniaci wish the people would actually read and this wouldnt be a problem.
03:20:11ddaltonwell you will still have the same problem with your wiki page.
03:20:31ddaltonyou are telling them to read it. they don't find it. why not tell them to read the front home page?
03:22:50psycho_maniacok
03:23:22ddaltonwell I was just trying to tell you my opinion. I can't really see it helping unfortunately.
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03:23:40webguest14ChanServ: Mm. Completely off topic from the rest of the conversation, but I don't suppose you could boot rockbox off a micro?
03:23:55ddaltonit would be nice that its all in one place but I doubt they will read it still...
03:24:38psycho_maniacI think ChanServis just a server/computer name not a person.
03:25:18ddaltonI believe it is like nickserv but for channels. it allows the opts to add new opts allows topics to be set and other stuff.
03:25:31webguest14Heh. Don't know why that was there.
03:25:34ddaltonmaybe it kicks people too when the operator uses the kick command.
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03:27:08webguest14Well, did some digging and I guess you have to install it on the mp3. Though it'd be cool if you could just boot off a micro.
03:30:04ddaltonanyone think a noisey fast fwd/rewind could be useful?
03:31:52psycho_maniacwhat do you mean "noisey" ?
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03:32:12ddaltonwell you know like a cd player?
03:32:34ddaltonit plays the sound as its been fast fwded but rb doesn't.
03:33:03ddaltonfrom my little testing I don't think rb can play audio when fast forwarding like the paused playback issue...
03:34:58psycho_maniacnot a "beep" but like the song your ffwing ?
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03:36:51psycho_maniaci think thats feature request on a wiki page but i cannot find it at the moment.
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03:42:52ddaltonyeah.
03:43:50ddaltonbut I am not sure how to start with the coding. Actually I am still not sure why we didn't just use a player like mplayer and port it. but that doesn't do the noisey rewind and fast fwd. perhaps there was a reason for writing our own playback engine?
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03:47:44psycho_maniacI couldnt tell you.
03:48:48psycho_maniacI hate when i saw something on a wiki page but cannot find the page itself. This usually happens as i get very bored and read random wiki pages that sound intresting
03:49:09ddaltonI have nothing against the current playback engine. And there is probably a good reason for it. But I would be interested to find it out. And I guess we could port a wma player to rockbox. Im sure there is source code around for that. (I just need to go searching through my distroes repository.)
03:49:16ddaltonor does rb now support wma?
03:49:58psycho_maniacyes it does support wma
03:50:39psycho_maniacIt has seeking now also, been around for a couple weeks...maybe a month now.
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03:52:31ddaltonah yep. Thought I remember some svn commits on it. But never use wma myself.
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04:48:32JThundleywhat does %t mean in the theme syntax? I don't see it on the page anywhere
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05:01:07Mouser_XJThundley: Have you gone to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CustomWPS
05:01:09Mouser_X?
05:01:43JThundleyahh thanks, that's a different page than what I was using
05:02:02Mouser_XOnce there, if you're using Firefox, use CTRL+F, and type "%t" (without the " marks), and it will tell you how it's used.
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05:10:06JThundleyyeah, I did, that's how I knew the old page didn't have it
05:10:17Mouser_XAh.
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05:57:09webguest33Hi, I successfully installed rockbox on my sandisk e200r. Is there a way to uninstall it?
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05:58:09Mouser_XYes, but why would you want to?
05:58:18Mouser_XIt does support dual-booting, you know.
05:58:26webguest33Yes
05:59:06webguest33I know that but it's my sister and I dont think that she will want to have to go into the original firmware to import music.
05:59:15webguest33Any suggestions?
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06:00:40Mouser_XThis is how I transfer files/music to my Sansa. While turned off, I instert the USB cable, and then attach to the computer. It turns on itself, and goes into file transfer mode. I transfer files, and once done/charged, I turn it off.
06:01:25Mouser_XWhen I turn it back on, after disconnecting, I'm back in Rockbox. What's wrong with this method? More specifically, why would this be a problem for your sister?
06:01:49webguest33I've never tried that. I'll do it.
06:02:39webguest33It worked!
06:03:16webguest33it went in as a MSC. I've always done playsforsure. how do I transfer in this mode?
06:03:30Mouser_XDrag+drop?
06:03:38webguest33to what folder?
06:03:52Mouser_XIf you're going to be using Rockbox, then put it anywhere you want.
06:04:32webguest33Will it organize my music automatically?
06:05:22Mouser_XRockbox *does* have a database system. You can use that if you want. However, Rockbox's default method of selecting tracks, and navigation, is through a directory structure.
06:05:48Mouser_XIn other words, similar to using Windows Explorer to track down specific files on your computer.
06:05:57webguest33I see.
06:06:18Mouser_XIn other words, it's best to organize the files, using directories, as best as you can.
06:06:34Mouser_XBut, if the database is more your style, that will work just fine as well.
06:06:46webguest33I could do it but It's a little hard, i mean, not as convinient for my 10yr old sister.
06:06:56Mouser_XAh, indeed.
06:07:06Mouser_XWell, you'll probably want the database then.
06:07:17webguest33How does that work?
06:07:31Mouser_XIs there already music (that you want) on the Sansa?
06:08:00webguest33Yes. I also have it on my computer.
06:08:25webguest33I know that it check for the music on the sansa firmware and then imports it.
06:08:31Mouser_XAnd, this is important, did you buy it online? If you bought it online (from something like the iTunes store, or whatever they have you use), then it's most likely copy-protected (DRM) and won't work in Rockbox.
06:09:00Mouser_XConsidering that you have the e200r, this is a possability.
06:09:20Mouser_X(It's why I'm trying to verify that it shouldn't be a problem.)
06:09:51webguest33No. I ripped it from my cds.
06:10:33Mouser_XAh, good. That should be fine.
06:10:38Mouser_X(brb)
06:11:12webguest33kk
06:12:17Mouser_XRead this: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-430004.2
06:12:50Mouser_X(That's the Rockbox manual, and that specific section should explain the database better than I can. I don't use the database)
06:15:37Mouser_XAlso, to further familiarize yourself with Rockbox and all its available features (which are many), here's a link to the manual in whole: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
06:15:52webguest33Yea.
06:15:58Mouser_XDownloadable version: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200.pdf
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06:16:13webguest42hello
06:16:27webguest42hello
06:16:34Mouser_Xwebguest42: If you have a question, just ask.
06:16:44webguest42hey
06:16:49Mouser_XThere's no reason to clog the chat with a greeting. We already know you're here.
06:17:04webguest42ere
06:17:08webguest42omg
06:17:13webguest33hey since the bootloader was patched way I ever want to return it to its original state will i be able to?
06:17:37Mouser_Xwebguest33: Yes, you can. However, *I* don't know how to do that...
06:17:40webguest33way=would
06:17:55webguest42Yes i do , I just need to know what things i can do with my Ipod 2nd generation 2 Gig.
06:18:17Mouser_Xwebguest42: Nano?
06:18:36webguest42this one to be precice - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31G01AY9NXL._AA280_.jpg
06:19:03webguest33So you're saying that the bootloader will always look for rockbox upon start-up?
06:19:06Mouser_XYou can't install Rockbox on it. It's not supported, which is what the front page of rockbox.org says.
06:19:18webguest42right.
06:19:38Mouser_Xwebguest33: No, you can fully and completely uninstall Rockbox if you want. But *I* don't know how to.
06:19:53webguest42This ipod sucks then :( I looking forward to buying itouch , Is there anyway you can mod/firmware the itouch
06:20:04Mouser_XNot with Rockbox.
06:20:16webguest42whats RockBox do ?
06:20:49Mouser_Xwebguest42: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
06:20:55webguest42lol
06:20:56webguest42k
06:20:57Mouser_XPlus more.
06:21:14webguest42one more thing
06:21:25webguest42I was watcing a video , you think with my ipod i can put new games ?
06:21:55Mouser_Xwebguest42: I don't understand the question.
06:22:08Mouser_XYou can do whatever the origina Apple software will allow you to do.
06:22:25webguest42let me rephrase .. With the ipod nano I have , Can i put new games in it ?
06:22:37webguest42additional ones .. and not just brick etc..
06:22:50webguest33See, when I delete the .rockbox folder from the directory and restart the the bootloader informs mee that .rockbox cant be found so to get the sandisk firmware to load I have to turn the player off and hold *left* upon restart. What I really would like to know is if there is a way to turn on the player and have it load the sansa firmware without having to press anything?
06:23:44Mouser_Xwebguest33: Yes, as I said, there *is* a way to -completely- uninstall Rockbox. But I've never had to do so, so *I* don't know how to do it.
06:23:57webguest42...?
06:24:32Mouser_Xwebguest42: If Apple sells games for the iPod Nano, then you can get games from them.
06:24:36webguest33I know that you can uninstall it with the e200 but nothing is ever said about the e200r (they're different).
06:25:03Mouser_Xwebguest33: Try updating the OF.
06:25:18webguest42k
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06:25:41Mouser_XSpecifically, either use the update on the CD that your Sansa came with, or go to their website, and update with what you find there.
06:25:59Mouser_XIf I'm not mistaken, that will most likely remove whatever Rockbox has done.
06:26:09Mouser_X(excluding the .rockbox folder)
06:27:43webguest33I have the OF. It's within the system folder.
06:28:02webguest33I dont want to update the firmware, just want it to load upon boot.
06:28:09Mouser_Xwebguest33: I'm refering to software that's *not* currently on your Sansa.
06:29:31webguest33Rockbox has altered the bootloader which boots rockbox. I want the bootloader to boot the sansa firmware.
06:30:25Mouser_XI know. I'm attempting to find how to do that.
06:31:20webguest33I know that I cant make it do that by holding *left* but I would want it to load by just pressing the on button. I believe that in order to that i have to restore the original bootloader *or* somehow fool the bootloader into loading the sansa bootloader instead of rockbox.
06:31:25webguest33okay, thanks.
06:31:36webguest33cant=can
06:32:45webguest33this is step one for my player: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation
06:33:11Mouser_Xwebguest33: I know what you're saying, and asking. It is possible to do this (you'll lose the ability to boot into Rockbox), but I don't know how to do it. I'm attempting to find out, but I'm not currently seeing it. I think that if you look for an updated version of your firmware, and update the e200, that it should overwrite the bootloader that Rockbox altered. Thus, it should remove that bootloader, getting you back to the OF.
06:33:54Mouser_XEven the same version, updated or not, used on your Sansa should do this, if I'm not mistaken.
06:35:12webguest33can you tell me how to do it?
06:35:23Mouser_XI've told you the best method I know.
06:35:26Mouser_XUpdate the OF.
06:36:22Mouser_XAs I said, I've never needed, or wanted, to do this. Therefore, I don't know how to completely uninstall Rockbox (including the bootloader).
06:36:35Mouser_XThe next best thing, that I'm aware of, is to update the OF.
06:36:44webguest33How can i do that? If I use sandisk's tool it will tell me that i have the lates Firmware and it will not require and update.
06:37:19advcomp2019i think webguest33 needs to use recovery mode
06:37:20webguest33look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows
06:37:47Mouser_Xadvcomp2019: I've never dealt with it. You're probably right.
06:38:01webguest33tell me advcomp2019
06:38:50webguest33will this workd advcomp: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15424
06:39:42Mouser_Xwebguest33: I was going to link this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
06:39:44advcomp2019webguest33, yea that should work it you use the e200r firmware
06:39:53Mouser_XHowever, you have the e200r, so I don't know if that will work.
06:40:38Mouser_Xadvcomp2019: Thanks for your help...
06:40:49webguest33There's a file there specifically for the e200r
06:41:15webguest33but will it restore the original bootloader?
06:41:32advcomp2019webguest33, hopefully yes
06:41:57webguest33I dont think so because the program just estracts files to players directory thus only replacing files.
06:42:36webguest33ie the firmware and nessecery files. I dont believe that the bootloader can be replace just like that. Can it?
06:42:48Mouser_Xwebguest33: Not so. If you're in recovery mode, those files will be placed on the OF partition. Once booted, those files will be run, and it will auto-update.
06:42:52Mouser_X(Ideally)
06:43:18advcomp2019webguest33, Mouser_X is right
06:44:44webguest33will it is called the "ultimate fix", it couldnt be ultimate if it din't restore bootloader...
06:44:51webguest33will=well
06:45:50webguest33I think that it can be done another way.
06:45:56webguest33take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows
06:46:03advcomp2019webguest33, are you talking about the .rom file
06:47:24webguest33the installation say to rename a file OF.mi4 what if I just rename that file pp5022.mi4 and place it in the directory?
06:47:54webguest33wait, that the firmware right.
06:48:05webguest33yes.. ah
06:49:41webguest33what do you mean .rom file?
06:49:58advcomp2019webguest33, never mind if you are getting it
06:51:39webguest33the OF.mi4 is the firmware. the firmeare is okay. all i want to is get the sansa firmware to boot iniatially thus never loading rockbox. which is essentially uninstalling rockbox but i dont know how to do that
06:52:30Mouser_Xwebguest33: As I said, updating the firmware will overwrite the Rockbox bootloader.
06:52:38webguest33if I delete the .rockbox folder the bootloader tells me that .rockbox is missing. thus i need to restore the unpatched bootloader.
06:52:57webguest33so how can i update the firmware?
06:53:08Mouser_Xadvcomp2019 and I have told you 2 different ways.
06:53:10advcomp2019webguest33, just put the sansa pp5022.mi4 in recovery mode then unplug the cable
06:55:08webguest33where can i get the pp5022.mi4?
06:55:12Mouser_Xwebguest33: In other words, while in recovery mode (if I recall correctly, the screen will be black/blank, and the wheel light will be on), put the necessary files onto your player.
06:55:22webguest33should i use the file that i renamed OF.mi4?
06:55:45advcomp2019webguest33, the sansa pp5022.mi4 is the same as the OF.mi4
06:58:43webguest33done!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:58:49webguest33used this: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15424
06:59:30webguest33I went into recovery mode and extracted the file that i downloaded from that site.
06:59:44Mouser_XWhich is basically what we said.
06:59:52webguest33it extracted 2 files. one must have been the pp5022.mi4
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07:00:05webguest33any guess on the second?
07:00:22webguest33prob the version.txt...?
07:00:45advcomp2019do not worry about the version.txt
07:01:06webguest33okay. i extracted to my desktop and...
07:01:27webguest33pp5022.mi4 and sansa.fmt
07:01:39Mouser_XAh. It formated your Sansa as well.
07:01:56Mouser_X(Which isn't a surprise.)
07:02:22Mouser_X"sansa.fmt" = empty file. The OF just needs the name.
07:02:39Mouser_X(That is, IIUC.)
07:03:06advcomp2019yea that is if you do not want to save anything that is on the sansa
07:04:31webguest33well my sansa is back to normal (no rockbox). I know it's great but it's just not for my 10yr old sister.
07:04:35Mouser_XIt's obviously too late in this instance, but you (webguest33) did say you have all the important stuff on your PC already, right?
07:04:39webguest33I use it though!
07:07:15Mouser_XMy nieces got some Sansa e250s for Christmas. I *wanted* to install Rockbox on them, but I figured that, one being 8 or 9, and the other being about 5, Rockbox probably wasn't for them...
07:07:55DogBoyso you just need to jack them for the sansas
07:08:00*Mouser_X has a Gigabeat F40, and two Sansa e250s.
07:08:21Mouser_X(I'm considering reselling one of my e250s.
07:09:17webguest33I have and F40 and and S30 (not supported)
07:10:14*Mouser_X wants a Gigabeat S...
07:10:29Mouser_X(Especially if Rockbox supported it.)
07:10:43Mouser_XThe S has video out, and USB hosting.
07:11:01webguest33When my syster got her e250r today it was half full and I couldent figure out why.
07:11:31webguest33Still cant. It only had 20 songs and 1 video.
07:11:46webguest33It was less thank 75mb is stuff.
07:11:53Mouser_XIt's empty now, isn't it?
07:12:03webguest33All I know is that now it's empty.
07:12:04webguest33yea.
07:12:11Mouser_XThat's good.
07:12:24advcomp2019yea that is what the sansa.fmt did
07:12:47webguest33Yea but why the hell would sandisk preload the 2gb player with 1gb of stuff?
07:12:50Mouser_XThat's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. It would have been mighty strange if it wasn't...
07:13:38webguest33But what could it have been because i looked through all the folder and there sure wasnt 1gb of stuff.
07:14:39advcomp2019webguest33, they was rax files in the system folder somewhere
07:17:57webguest33kk.
07:18:07webguest33man anybut ipod is useful.
07:18:13webguest33you guys 2.
07:18:45Mouser_XHopefully I was *somewhat* helpfull..
07:22:19webguest33yea.
07:22:27webguest33Mentally
07:22:53webguest33Dont you guys get jitters when messig with the insides of your electronics?
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07:27:10webguest33See you guys later.
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07:27:55webguest33Thanks for the help.. +karma
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07:30:03Mouser_XThough he's gone, no, not often. Especially with the Sansas. Like the iPod, the Sansa is very difficult to brick.
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07:35:10Jayim new to this so plz 4 give my noobness
07:36:03Jayim trying 2 install rockbox on my 30gb ipod video but the autoinstaller says that it cant detect my ipod when its connected 2 my computer
07:37:28advcomp2019Jay, please do not use short hand or leet like the guidelines say
07:37:37Mouser_XJay: Please read this first, *and* obey it: ChanServ- [#rockbox] Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines
07:38:12Jayoh ok srry
07:42:38Mouser_XJay: Do you use Windows or Linux? Do you use iTunes? If you use iTunes, is it hiding your iPod (there's a setting in iTunes to do this)? Is your iPod being recognized as a hard drive? What mode is your iPod in? I'm sure there's other questions that would help, but I don't have an iPod, so it makes it difficult for me to help you there.
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07:44:28Jayi am running windows, yes i use itunes, no i have it in disk mode, yes its recognized as removable media, dont know wat u mean y wat mode is it in, i am running vista
07:45:05Mouser_XJay: Did you read that IrcGuidlines page? You're still not abiding it.
07:45:31Jayum no but since i saw that u asked me a question so i answered u
07:45:38Jayill read it right now
07:46:57Jayoh ok i see
07:47:09Jaynoo leet talk srry
07:47:25Jaysh*it sorry i cant help it
07:47:33Jayill try my best
07:48:04Jayi am running windows, yes i use itunes, no i have it in disk mode, yes its recognized as removable media, dont know wat you mean why wat mode is it in, i am running vista
07:48:13Mouser_XThe ENTER key is not a period (please keep things to one line. It helps keep the logs clean.)
07:48:47Jayok srry again bro :(
07:49:13Mouser_XWhat instructions are you using to install Rockbox? Are you reading the manual?
07:51:24Mouser_XSpecifically, I think this section is what you need: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.3.2
07:52:42Jaythats wat im reading
07:52:58Jayim using the automatic method
07:53:12Mouser_XSo, did you actually read and do section 2.3.2?
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07:53:44Jayno cause thats if u wanna do it maually
07:53:56Jaydam orry about the leet talk
07:54:05Jayim so used to it
07:54:14jharuMerry xmas to all the devs of rockbox!!!
07:54:15Mouser_XObviously, if the auto method isn't working, then your next best hope is to use the manual method.
07:54:32Mouser_Xjharu: Thanks, but I'm no dev.
07:54:44Mouser_X(And, Christmas day is very nearly over here.)
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07:55:47Jaylol yea same here its 1:55am in NYC
07:56:17Jayk ill do the maual method
07:56:29jharuok then... a prosperous advanced happy new year!!!!
07:56:32Jaymanual srry typo
07:56:33jharuXD
07:56:40Jaylol
07:56:41Mouser_Xjharu: Ha.
07:57:18Mouser_Xjharu: Actually, we haven't celebrated Christmas here. However, we'll celebrate it twice next year.
07:57:32Mouser_XSo, I guess it's not as early (for me) as you thought.
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07:58:21jharu????? youve postpone your xmas?
07:58:27Jay???
07:58:41Mouser_XYes. We're waiting for some family members to fly in.
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07:58:50*jharu is thinkin is it possible?
07:58:52Jayoh ok i see
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07:59:01Jaylol jharu
07:59:14jharuXD
07:59:15advcomp2019this is getting offtopic now
07:59:22Mouser_XIndeed.
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08:00:09jharuyou here too adv?!
08:00:18jharu>_<
08:00:27Jaylol
08:01:11*Mouser_X was about to go to bed when Jay showed up.
08:01:46Jay:( srry bro you can go to bed ill try my best with this
08:01:49*jharu is confused as there is two adv he is chattin at the same time...
08:02:16Mouser_Xjharu: Possibly different people?
08:02:59Mouser_XJay: Any luck with the manual method?
08:03:00jharuhe just said he is the same banana...
08:03:06Mouser_XAh.
08:03:27Jayi just extracted the file to the root of my ipod
08:03:40jharuinstallin rbx? its easy enuf to do jay...
08:04:55jharuat least in the sansa though....
08:05:48Jaywhats sansa
08:06:30jharuits a dap made by sandisk
08:06:49jharu2nd only to ipod in popularity
08:07:04jharu*marketshare...
08:08:31Jaynow im extracting the fonts
08:08:51Mouser_XJay: Did you do the ipodpatcher thing?
08:09:01Jaydoing it now
08:09:06Mouser_XYou *do* need to install the bootloader, after all.
08:09:12Mouser_XAh.
08:09:33jharuMouser_X: is instellin rockbox different in different daps?
08:09:42Mouser_XYes.
08:09:44jharuinstallin
08:09:59Jay1 question once i install the boot loasder thing would i still be able to boot back to the original apple fw
08:10:00Mouser_XGigabeat is really easy. Sansa is pretty easy.
08:10:19Jayi meant once i install rockbox
08:10:22Mouser_XJay: Yes. Rockbox does dual-booting on most targets.
08:10:47Jaynice ok
08:10:56Mouser_X(As of yet, dual-booting isn't available on the Gigabeat, though I have no idea why you'd want to use the OF of the Gigabeat.)
08:11:32jharuso hes dap is gigabeat...
08:11:45Mouser_XYes, I have a Gigabeat, and a Sansa.
08:11:45jharujays...
08:11:55Jaywhays dap or gigabeat
08:11:57Mouser_XJay has an iPod Video 30 GB.
08:12:04Jayyup yup
08:12:45jharudap is the term used here for your player. eg ipod, sansa, gigabeat.
08:13:31Jaydigital audio player right?
08:13:42Jayok i did the bootloader thing so im done right
08:14:02Mouser_Xjharu: As I said, installation methods differ depending on your target. Read the installation methods of the various targets to get a better idea, but the Gigabeat, for example, requires you to rename a file, and replace it with a Rockbox one.
08:14:33Mouser_XJay: I'd say yes, but that's mostly assuming. What does the instruction manual say?
08:15:21Jay"isconnect your player in the usual way. The bootloader is now installed"
08:15:31Jayand thats it
08:15:33jharuMouser_X: so is it true gigabeat supports gba games?
08:15:35Mouser_XWell, than, give it a try.
08:15:42Jaykk
08:15:43Mouser_Xjharu: No.
08:15:57Mouser_XNo Rockbox target can play GBA games. GB and GBC, yes.
08:16:06Jaywoot woot
08:16:29Jayi did it
08:16:37Mouser_XCongrats.
08:16:40jharu?! there is someone who posted on my thread that gigabeat can take a gba game...
08:16:57Jayhey this looks kind of ugly
08:17:00Mouser_Xjharu: That person either made a typo, or is wrong.
08:17:08Mouser_XJay: Change it.
08:17:14jharucongatulation jay! now you can pay mouser... :D
08:17:14Mouser_XRead the manual to figure out how.
08:17:29Jaylol
08:18:03Jayhey do ya know any plugins and themes and any other features 4 rockbox thats a musthave
08:18:05Mouser_XJay: Here's a start (but it might not help much without reading the manual) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
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08:18:26jharuno... uh... it says "except for the gigabeat no other dap has enough horsepower to run a gba rom"
08:18:31Mouser_XJay: Once installed, Rockbox has all the stuff with it. Nothing requires downloading.
08:18:42Jayoh ok ice
08:19:14jharuJay: unless you want patches
08:19:15Mouser_Xjharu: That *might* be true, but I'd find it difficult to believe. My 333 has a hard time emulating the *audio* to the GBA, let alone the entire GBA.
08:19:59Jaywat can i use patches 4
08:20:00Mouser_XJay: If you're interested patches, you'll have to read the wiki on them. That gets you into the realm of "unsupported" and therefore, not much help here.
08:20:15Mouser_XJay: IrcGuidlines please.
08:20:16Jayoh ok
08:20:34Jayi know mouser im trying my best bro
08:20:56Jaywow woot woot this has alot of games
08:21:19Jayis there a snes emulatorckbox
08:21:29Mouser_XNo.
08:21:31jharua major tome killer Jay!
08:21:44Jayum did i do something wrong
08:21:58Jayis that illegal in here
08:22:00jharutheres not even a nes emu. just a gbc one :D
08:22:01Mouser_XThe Gigabeat F/X could emulate the SNES, but there's not currently a port of it for Rockbox.
08:22:15Jayoh ok
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08:22:53Mouser_Xjharu: There's a NES emu in the patch tracker. It's in serious need of work though. You can't even exit it without hard-resetting your DAP.
08:23:02Mouser_X(As in, killing all power.)
08:23:20jharuMouser_X: really?!... crap... i wish i can play legend of zelda...
08:23:32Mouser_XThat's one of the ones that doesn't work at all.
08:23:39*Mouser_X has tried.
08:23:47jharudarn....
08:23:51Mouser_XAs I said, it needs a lot of work.
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08:25:49Jayhas the classic been able to get rockboxed
08:25:56jharuif only im good at vm....
08:27:38Jayi see there is no themes for the 5g ipod
08:27:45Mouser_XFlyspray#2911
08:28:06jharu?! whats flyspray?
08:28:09Mouser_XJay: You're wrong. There's tons of themes for the iPod 5g.
08:29:01Jayis the rockbox site mobile friendly
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08:29:12Jaylike for the psp
08:29:14Mouser_XNo idea.
08:29:28Jayi wanna lay on my bed while reading the mauel
08:29:36Jayhmm let me chk brb
08:32:28Mouser_XJay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
08:32:37Mouser_XThere's some iPod 5g themes.
08:33:33Mouser_XIf you went to http://www.rockbox-themes.org and found no iPod 5g themes, it's because the owner of that site has run out of bandwidth for this month.
08:34:10Jaywow i see alot now ok thx alot mouser
08:34:48Jaythis is usally not my username ill usually be BlackChaos
08:35:04Jayxchat signed me in this name i dont know y
08:36:15jharumebby you live in toronto, jay XD
08:36:28Jaylol no i dont
08:36:50Jayi live in newyork
08:37:21Mouser_XJay, jharu: Please stay on-topic
08:37:59advcomp2019Jay, someone else might have.. anyway you need to stay on-topic like Mouser_X says
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08:39:01*jharu is still confused at advcomp2019 bein at rockbox too...
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08:40:19Mouser_Xadvcomp2019 would appear to use Rockbox. Anything wrong with that?
08:41:04jharunope :) coz rockbox is the best alter fw there is!
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09:50:37Jaywhy doesnt rockbox want to connect to my pc do i need drivers???
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10:19:51brennanhey everyone
10:19:54Casainhogood morning :-)
10:20:24brennanhello
10:20:28CasainhoI would like to know who is working on USB stack? and where can I find news, some blog messages or like that :-)
10:20:47brennansorry, is this working?
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10:45:49CasainhoI got a message on forum about USB stack :-)
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10:53:43BagderCasainho: everyone is free to work on it...
10:54:20Casainhoyes, but I saw a few time ago a blog from someone that were activily working on that...
10:54:38CasainhoI forget the name, the blog... :-(
10:54:56Bagderaustriancoder worked on it, then Zagor worked on it
10:55:03BagderI don't see why that matters
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11:01:30Casainhowell, I wanted to show that messages to other guy - just that :-)
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11:02:04CasainhoI am in talking with guy of DSPdap: http://dspdap.sourceforge.net/
11:02:21BagderI'm basically saying that it doesn't matter much who was working on it
11:02:30Casainhowe wants to build a new hardware, and I talked with him about Rockbox :-)
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11:03:16Casainhohe likes a lot the idea o RB :-)
11:03:28Casainhowe have now almost the same goals :-)
11:03:56BagderI love how their front page is ... so outdated
11:04:04Bagder"DSPdap is different from other MP3 player projects because it uses a programmable DSP as its CPU instead of using a microcontroller and a hardware MP3 decoder chip. Because of this, it is capable of playing not only MP3 but all popular digital audio formats"
11:04:30Bagderthat might've been almost true 2004 but certainly isn't today
11:06:11Casainhoeheh :-)
11:06:13Casainhoright
11:06:58Casainhothats why the guy is looking for upgrade the DSPdap... and I talked wiht him about Rockbox :-) - I think both can win a lot :-)
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11:07:48Bagderso then dspdap becomes a cpudap? ;-)
11:08:02Casainhothis name is Roger Quadros
11:08:22Casainhohmmm....
11:08:34Casainhoyou don't like the idea of DSP, is that? :-9
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11:08:50Bagdera dsp is totally pointless and in rockbox-land even stupid
11:09:08Bagderyou'll get even more work than with avr
11:09:19Bagderwork that even fewer people can do
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11:09:47Casainhowell, I realy thin that AVR32 is ok, because have both of that worlds....
11:09:49Bagderbut yeah, if you want full frame rate video on your player I guess you need a dsp
11:10:10Bagder... on your poor monocrome lcd ;-)
11:10:30Slasherihmm, i don't think dsp+avr is that good
11:10:35CasainhoBagder: I wrote as objectives: "Audio player and in future versions also recorder capabilities (not multimedia player, video or games);"
11:10:47Slasherii would probably use the old trusty coldfire
11:10:53BagderCasainho: with those (crappy) lcds?
11:11:19Bagderit seems you're trying to future-proof things now for a player that won't do those things
11:11:30Bagderand that's premature optimizations that shouldn't be made, imho
11:11:33Slasheriand i wouldn't care for video playback anyway
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11:12:17BagderCasainho: so why the sudden interest in doing it DSP-style? because of that dspdap guy?
11:13:21Casainhono!! just AVR32 have also DSP instructions, and because dsp instrutions seems good for saving battery power, or I am wrong?
11:13:44CasainhoAVR32 should not need to use DSP for makes RB working....
11:13:52*amiconn remembers the unfinished gmini port...
11:14:02BagderI can't tell much about those avr32 things as I'm not that into those
11:14:19amiconn(regarding dsp and rockbox)
11:14:59BagderCasainho: does the dsp part have a particular name or is it just avr32 dsp?
11:15:00Casainhoamiconn: I don't know what you pretend to say, I don't know nothing about gmini
11:15:19Slasherii have used 8-bit avr's for a long time but never tried that 32bit one
11:15:40CasainhoBagder: is just AVR32, wich have also DSP, and java....
11:15:51Bagderyes but DSP is a word like CPU
11:15:56Bagderit doesn't say _what_ DSP
11:15:57Slasherisounds bad
11:16:11Bagderand it can't "have" java really
11:17:22Casainhowell, I don't have any experience in AVR32 or DSP, just some little in AVR 8 bits :-)
11:18:05Casainhohowever there are others that agrees with AVR32, others that said that will be in project.
11:18:12amiconnThe gmini 1xx/2xx have a dsp as their main processor. A bitch to code for compared to a cpu
11:18:39Slasherithen just forget it.. too complex
11:19:16BagderCasainho: yes, but I've not seen anyone actually already involved in Rockbox saying much...
11:19:41Bagderit might not be a bad thing, but it also makes very little rockbox experience that tells
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11:21:26Bagderis it the AT32AP7000 you're currently considering?
11:21:33Casainhoamiconn: AVR32 is a cpu with GCC port, dsp instructions can be used or not, directly on GCC
11:22:22CasainhoBagder: no one in RB looks interest in doing a hardware player, will It be with AVR32, ARM or other... :-(
11:22:38Casainhoyes, that AT32AP7000
11:22:43BagderCasainho: no, but lots of us are offering ideas and advice
11:23:03Casainhookok, I know and I apreciate :-)
11:23:04SlasheriCasainho: if i would have more time, i would be interested
11:23:32BagderCasainho: you know anywhere where this DSP part is described/documented?
11:23:57Casainhoyes, in datasheet and in aplication notes - on oficial page :-)
11:24:07BagderI'm trying to find it but I can't
11:24:18BagderI looked in the data sheet, in the arch overview and more
11:24:23Casainhohttp://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/app_notes.asp?family_id=682
11:24:37Bagderthey just speak of "dsp extensions" without detailing it so far
11:24:46Bagderwhat doc exactly?
11:25:28Casainhowell, I forgot the name of doc - I remember that they said the extensions like instrucutioons to C...
11:25:42Casainhoto use directly on GCC
11:26:33CasainhoIn addition to support standard C/C++ source code, GCC for AVR32 has some extra AVR32 specific features to allow easier access to the optimized AVR32 instruction set and architecture. This applies particularly to the Digital Signal Processing (DSP) and parallel execution instructions (Single Instruction Multiple Data – SIMD). They come in the form of attributes and builtins to the GNU Compiler.
11:26:51BagderI was interested in DSP details, not sales-speak ;-)
11:27:06Casainhoaybe this one: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc32074.pdf
11:28:15Bagderit looks more like the DSP part is undocumented
11:28:42Bagderthat doc describe how to make gcc use builtin functions for avr provided by gcc
11:28:49Bagderthey might use the dsp of course
11:29:06Casainhois there something missing?
11:29:13Bagderyes, details about the DSP
11:29:27Bagderat least I can't find it, it may well exist somewhere
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11:30:23Casainhowell, I am sure that a quick question about that on community forum will be answered :-)
11:30:40Casainhohttp://avrfreaks.com/
11:30:49Bagderhm, I suspect they're simply in the instruction set
11:30:53Casainhosorry - I am not able to help you
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11:31:27Slasheriatmel is usually good about documenting everything
11:31:40Bagderyes... that's what confuses me
11:32:16Bagderah, time to leave. bbl
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11:33:23ddaltonI am going to start a port or help with the port on the sansa e200 (v2) with recovery mode does anyone have any info on this?
11:33:23sweetgirlhi to all
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11:37:46CasainhoSlasheri: If you want/can, joint the list - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer
11:38:08CasainhoI think that no ones have a lot of free time :-)
11:40:29Casainhoim ust go now!! :-)
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12:00:03GrandMaster-Dcan someone tell me how to upload music to my H10 20GB under rockbox?
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12:11:14ddaltonany devs around?
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12:19:59linuxstbddalton: You will be better off just asking your question.
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13:21:02VoltageXanyone active? Pictureflow is crashing on my H340
13:29:39Bagderddalton: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13961.msg105937#msg105937
13:29:48Bagderthat's all I know of (v2?) recovery mode
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13:41:14countrymonkeyI wish to know why 8369 isn't committed.
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13:44:50mooscountrymonkey: the patch seems to be work in progress...
13:51:56countrymonkeyit is. 8859 is too. What's the difference?
13:53:08countrymonkeyI mean 8359
13:56:13moosis your spanish update finished or works in progress too?
13:57:45moosthe last comment says that an update will come after Xmas...
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13:58:22countrymonkeyThat one is not mine. That is an example of a work-in-progress patch that has been committed.
13:59:39countrymonkeywhat is the difference between 8359 and 8369?
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14:00:14moosbetter, to let's the author finish his patch before commit, I commited the first part of spanish translation, but that's better to have full translations...
14:02:37countrymonkeyok. I'll finish it.
14:03:03moosonce you done this I or someone else will commit it
14:03:42waldois it 'normal' that when i conneect the usb cable to my sansa c240 when rockbox is running, the thing freezes completely and i have to pull out the battery ?
14:03:57countrymonkeySounds good. But why cannot the 1st part be committed now?
14:04:54waldoit functions fine when connect the cable with the player is turned off .. it then comes online and starts the sanddisk 'connected'
14:05:45VoltageXfor when someone comes around who knows about this: PictureFlow does not crash when database is not initialised, crashes on H340 when the database is enabled - i.e. the plugin loads
14:05:48mooscountrymonkey: don't be impatient :), please finnish and all the voice translation will be commited in one time. Do you have still lot of strings to translate?
14:05:58VoltageXanyway, goodnight
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14:07:06countrymonkeyI have a lot of strings, but I am going on a long road trip today. I can work on it on my laptop.
14:07:50mooscountrymonkey: that's not hurry, you could take your time
14:08:18countrymonkeythanks
14:09:47moosif that can reassure you, I can assigne the patch to me if you want?
14:10:07countrymonkeybigtime. Will you be willing to commit it?
14:10:33moosthat way you can be sure that once you finnish it, your patch will be commited
14:10:46countrymonkeythx.
14:11:19moosIf I'm around I'll commit it...
14:11:44countrymonkeyI should have it ready tommorrow. I think I will do both bocol and nynorsk.
14:12:08moospatch assigned :)
14:12:16countrymonkeywhew!
14:13:02countrymonkeythx
14:13:46moosno problem, take your time
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15:22:48khermansi wont lose my songs if I install rockbox right?
15:22:54khermansi mean, they are all non-DRM songs
15:23:04J-23hmm...
15:23:10khermansi installed from Linux using gtkpod2
15:23:30J-23what player?
15:23:41khermansi can back them up if necessary, but i am about to attempt firmware install for roxckbox
15:23:52khermansgtkpod2
15:24:03khermansan ipod management system for linux'
15:24:55khermansJ-23, so will my songs be lost or not?
15:25:06khermansi read in the FAQ that the DB will scan for songs on boot
15:25:09J-23Probably not.
15:25:10khermansfrom the itunes db
15:25:22khermanswhich gtkpod emulates i believe
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15:25:38J-23I have uploaded my songs via MTP to SanDisk Sansa c240 and I can't play them.
15:25:45J-23But it isn't iPod.
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15:28:53pixelma_what do you mean "can't play them" - did you already find them?
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15:51:47webguest25Hello Ihave a problem with my sansa e280 i cant install rockbox with the patcher on it!!
15:53:28SoapIs your Sansa e280 a version 2?
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15:53:49Soaplook at the lower right hand corner of the back of your player - and tell me what model number it claims to be.
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15:55:10pixelmachecking the original firmware version number is the more reliable method afaik
15:56:01Soaphow is that done?
15:56:34webguest25yes but i have the new firmware from sandisk
15:57:05webguest25but my sansa works at fat32 not at fat16
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15:58:13Soapwhoa whoa whoa, webguest25. Let us not get ahead of ourselves yet. I still think the most important step at this point in time is to address the question of if you have a e280v2 or not.
15:58:28pixelmathe original firmware has a system menu and one of the items is version or the like
15:58:32SoapWhen and where did you get your player? And have you looked at the back plate yet?
15:59:29pixelmav1 model's version number starts with 01.xx.xx if it is higher (03.xx.xx) it's a v2
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16:00:32webguest25my versions nuber started with 01.02... also it is an v1 or??
16:01:19webguest25I did the player this year in october
16:07:32webguest25but that can´t be v1 because than rockbox would ran on the sansa
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16:13:16khermanshow can I boot back into rockbox after i accidentally booted into AppleOS?
16:13:20khermansorig firmware
16:14:16J-23power off your player and power on it
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16:14:35khermansJ-23, i did, but it seems just in standby
16:14:43khermansJ-23, pwoeroof by holdoing play/pause ?
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16:15:25khermansor center + menu ?
16:15:52J-23hmm...
16:16:10khermansJ-23, k that worke ,thx
16:18:07webguest25@all when i have an sansa e280 how knew i what version is on my player install??
16:19:08markdragohello everyone - i googled a bit for this to no avail - banshee wants to transcode files it sends to my rockboxed nano. Is there a way to stop that? Can I just 'cp' files to my rockbox device?
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16:29:59TheCompWizanyone know where to pickup the factory default firmware for a sansa e200? this stupid thing is silk-screened with "e200R" ... but apparently it's not really a "R"
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16:33:24lassesdatamaskinmarkdrago: To get files on your nano you can just copy and paste - no more
16:33:54markdragolassesdatamaskin: just right in to the .rockbox directory? can I make subdirs?
16:35:45lassesdatamaskinwhat files are you thinking of?
16:36:08lassesdatamaskinThe rockboxed nano works like a usb device, you can make directories the same way
16:36:33lassesdatamaskinbut the folder structure of .rockbox and the subdirectories is something you shouldn't edit, just leave as it is
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16:41:34markdragoWell, I have Calendars, Contacts, Notes and .rockbox Should I make like a Music main directory or something like that?
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16:44:11TheCompWizgrrr... sandisk technical support sucks.
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16:53:02TheCompWizhm... quite possible that they're going to send me a "magic" firmware that converts to the "R" ;)
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17:56:33Clem2I got a Audiophase Model KP3000 yesterday...trying to see what type of firmware it runs.
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17:59:33linuxstbClem2: Is the firmware upgradable? Is a firmware available to download?
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18:03:10Clem2Yes it is upgradeable
18:03:30Clem2Last thing it says on the package...Supports Firmware Upgrade
18:03:37Clem2I'll see if I can find what firmware it has
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18:07:16Clem2When I plug it in holding the play button it reads the usb device differently on xp
18:07:25Clem2stmp3500
18:07:32linuxstbAnyone built the sim on Mac OS X recently? I thought it worked in the past, but it now doesn't compile (lots of complaints about duplicate functions - string.h and similar)
18:09:23linuxstbClem2: That's a Sigmatel DSP... Not ideal for Rockbox.
18:09:52Clem2ok, thanks for the info.
18:10:14Clem2Thought it would be fun to try.
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18:15:13Clem2Happy New Year All
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18:21:56Casainhohappy with big adventures :-)
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18:32:29lassesdatamaskinmarkdrago: the calendars, contacs and notes directories are directories made from iTunes. You don't have any use for them if you don't use iTunes. you can make a folder for your music wherever you want but I recommend that you make it in the root of your player.
18:33:50Soapthat being said - those folders will be recreated, IIRC, everytime you use the Apple firmware, regardless of if you use iTunes to load music or not.
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18:34:25lassesdatamaskinyes that's true
18:35:54rashermarkdrago: It ought to be possible to tell banshee that your nano is simply a mass storage device, and that Banshee shouldn't try to be clever about it. If not, I think it's time to file a bug against Banshee.
18:36:23lassesdatamaskinwhat is banshee?
18:37:22rasherlassesdatamaskin: a mono/gtk# music player
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19:36:08LloreanjhMikeS: Just reading your new patch. The ffmpeg FAQ suggests a GOP value of 100 for "high quality mpeg 2" if I recall. If this a fair value for using with the presets, or in light of your comment that they should be frequent should I use a smaller value?
19:48:04jhMikeSLlorean: That's a ludicrous value. Most use much shorter groups (NTSC DVS requires 15/GOP).
19:48:27jhMikeSffmpeg does stuff that's technically correct but just plain wrong for practical use
19:49:31jhMikeSmany media players won't even bother to seek well with such large GOPs
19:50:55amiconnjhMikeS: Regarding fs #8362: Just to let you know, s/pdif recording does work fine
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19:51:48amiconnIt seems the problem reported is due to a source that doesn't set the validity flag correctly. That's something the MAS also does - perhaps we should disable the validity bit check?
19:51:50LloreanjhMikeS: Well, the FAQ suggests 100 for mpeg 2, 300 for mpeg 4
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19:52:19*amiconn did an 80-minute s/pdif recording today
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19:52:51LloreanjhMikeS: For Rockbox, what value would you suggest, since people will most likely use our presets blindly and expect decent performance then?
19:52:54jhMikeSamiconn: I can't make it do what that person describes nor can I figure what would cause it
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19:54:30jhMikeSLlorean: I don't know who wrote that FAQ but they should be hanged :) ffmpeg also doesn't like to use b-frames. I'd suggest about once/second on the outside which seems good enough in most cases and definitely use b-frames.
19:55:49jhMikeSLlorean: I'm thinking I'll program in some point of giving up on being frame-precise if it will take too long to prewind the decoder so it's at least not obnoxious on slow targets.
19:55:50amiconnRegarding mpeg2 - iirc the 'simple' profile doesn't allow B frames, only the 'main' profile does
19:56:39jhMikeSamiconn: well, perhaps that's it. I hadn't looked into profiles since it's not really relevant to decoding anything.
19:56:48LloreanjhMikeS: So, gop == framerate, and something I read suggests bf 2?
19:56:59amiconnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Profiles_and_Levels
19:57:34amiconnSo we should definitely recommend main profile for encoding
19:58:07Soapare B frames more CPU intensive to decode?
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19:58:56rasherThe mencoder example in the wiki seems to be wrong in some way related to b-frames.
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20:00:24rasherVideos encoded with the suggested settings would skip, but removing vmax_b_frames=16:vb_strategy=2 would produce videos that don't skip
20:00:42jhMikeSSoap: They tend not to be in my observation and are the only frame that can be skipped arbitrarily in the decoder itself.
20:01:46jhMikeSLloread: I think that refers to the the number of b's between I and P at most (a guess at the option meaning).
20:02:41LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, I have no idea the literal meaning either. That's what I'd guess at too.
20:03:27jhMikeSLlorean: I guess GOP = framerate is a good compromise. Ususally it's more often. I suppose it depends on if your priority is fast random access vs. better compression.
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20:06:09LloreanjhMikeS: Should I do, something like twice the framerate for the PP targets, and something else for Gigabeats?
20:06:09andrew33hello
20:06:14jhMikeSamiconn: I have some question about graylib. Why does drawing a video frame using "ub" forever cover further drawing in the particular area?
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20:07:39jhMikeSLlorean: I'd recommend shorter GOP for slower targets. 1/2 framerate for that. The 1xframerate figure seems a good general compromise for all of them though.
20:08:34LloreanjhMikeS: Well, the encoding profiles will be per-target, so I can do 1/2 framerate for some and 1xframerate for others.
20:09:29*Llorean will give the patch a try after lunch and see if it noticeably breaks anything.
20:09:31jhMikeSLlorean: I think framecount is more important. I'm basing on 1s = ~30 frames
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20:09:48Cannolihello
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20:09:59LloreanjhMikeS: But, 1s = # of frames per second, so framerate, right?
20:10:26*Llorean must've just missed something
20:10:50jhMikeSLlorean: If the rate is 15fps and not 30, then you can have it once ever 2 seconds and winding it up will be the same speed.
20:11:00LloreanAh
20:11:03Cannolii was repartitioning my 5.5g winpod and i deleted the firmware partition and remade it. now ipodpatcher doesnt locate the ipod, how can i load a backed up firmware onto the ipod without ipodpatcher?
20:11:23LloreanjhMikeS: But on targets where we need a 15fps framerate, the CPU is probably a good deal slower, so a lower framecount is good?
20:11:30linuxstbCannoli: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
20:11:32LloreanWell, I guess the CPU isn't really slower
20:11:33Cannolithe ipod says i have to hook it up to itunes and restore
20:11:37LloreanJust a bigger screen in most cases
20:12:06linuxstbCannoli: Are you using Linux?
20:12:18LloreanjhMikeS: Well, I have a Nano when I get home, once you've got an actual method of seeking, I'll just experiment with values to try to pick the highest value that doesn't feel slow?
20:12:57Cannoliyep
20:13:01jhMikeSLlorean: Actually this is pretty fast with little noticeable delay on PP with 15 frames in a GOP.
20:13:12Cannolilinuxstb: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ doesnt work
20:13:27LloreanSo I'll just pick 15 then for PP, and maybe 30 for Gigabeat?
20:13:35jhMikeSLlorean: the same seeking is employed when in the browsing screen
20:14:12linuxstbCannoli: You said you have a backup of your firmware? How did you create it?
20:14:26jhMikeSLlorean: yeah, could work. I have an encoding that has 250+ in a GOP and on gigabeat even that is somewhat tolerable.
20:14:30Cannoliipodpatcher -r bootpartition.bin
20:14:36Cannolii believe thts the command
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20:16:19jhMikeSLlorean: though it is a letterbox encoding and not fullscreen
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20:16:32linuxstbCannoli: Then just "dd if=bootpartition.bin of=/dev/sda1" (replace sda with your ipod) should do it.
20:16:32linuxstbCannoli: That's assume you've recreated the partition table correctly.
20:16:34LloreanjhMikeS: Alright, I'll just experiment then, now that I know roughly what to expect.
20:16:35LloreanThanks
20:16:46Cannolialright i'll give that a shot
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20:17:47jhMikeSLlorean: fortunately audio is trivial to find a precise frame and needs no decoding to do so :)
20:18:35Cannolilinuxstb: it kind of froze my terminal...should it be taking this long?
20:19:23linuxstbIt shouldn't take more than about a minute - it depends on your usb speed.
20:19:53jhMikeSLlorean: the basic UI features are unchanged here. I wanted to wait before doing the playback UI since that's somewhat of a significant project itself.
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20:20:40Cannoli206.495 seconds lol
20:21:00linuxstbCannoli: How big was your bootpartition.bin ?
20:21:24Cannoli125.4mb
20:21:25LloreanjhMikeS: So I should just use the start point chooser, and see how long it feels like it takes to render my preview frame?
20:22:07jhMikeSLlorean: It should take 3/4 second (for the timeout) + windup delay + any disk reading needed.
20:22:07Cannolihmmm ipodpatcher still cant locate ipod
20:22:09Cannoli:S
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20:23:09jhMikeSLlorean: If you go back to a point already thumbnailed, it probably won't need to hit the disk unless data was evicted from the cache.
20:23:13crashednanoCan anyone here give me some information about rockboy on a 1st gen nano?
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20:24:40crashednanoI've used rockbox in the past on an old archos, and now I've successfully installed it on a 1st gen ipod nano, only to get stuck in the rockboy program. I'm in pokemon blue, just so you know.
20:25:21crashednanoThe page in the documentation says that holding select brings up the menu, but nothing of that sort happens.
20:25:31Cannolitry the hold switch
20:25:49Cannolior center+menu
20:26:04Cannolilinuxstb: ipodpatcher still cant locate the ipod :S
20:26:08crashednanohold switch dims the screen...
20:26:38crashednanoand now i'm holding menu+select
20:27:04crashednanoOk, rebooted. Thanks.
20:27:24crashednanoI didn't know that menu+select worked in rockbox.
20:27:36Cannoli...
20:27:43Cannoliu were just suppose to press it
20:27:44CannoliXD
20:27:55Cannolihmm flickiong the hold should have worked
20:28:12crashednanoWell, menu select worked just fine.
20:28:15Cannoliok
20:28:33crashednanoIt wasn't my ipod so I was freaking out for a second.
20:28:40Cannolilmao
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20:37:40edistarthe newest ipods aren't supported by rockbox, are they?
20:38:55pixelmawhat does the frontpage tell you? ;)
20:39:11edistarpixelma: I'll take a look ;)
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20:42:41edistaris the hardware so different in the newer ipods?
20:43:49Soapthe hardware is different, and the software is locked.
20:44:22TheCompWizI love my sansa now.
20:44:42TheCompWizI hope the usb functionality gets implemented some day.
20:45:06edistarTheCompWiz: what do you mean?
20:45:29desowinthat rockbox own usb code will work
20:45:38TheCompWizyou have to boot into factory firmware to use USB.
20:46:05edistarah, will that be soon?
20:46:09TheCompWizno clue...
20:46:11TheCompWizhopeful.
20:46:24TheCompWizI only got this sansa yesterday ;)
20:46:50TheCompWizI don't even know who is grinding on the dev.
20:48:45TheCompWizwhat's really funny is... it was *branded* with the 250R... which is a lot harder to convert to rockbox... but in all actuallity... this particular one was running the non-"R" bootloader... which was CAKE!
20:48:54desowinZagor's usb stack is in svn now, austriancoder did the old one, and you can spot devs by looking at hostname cloaks or take a look in wiki
20:49:07TheCompWizLOL
20:49:15TheCompWizlike I said... kinda new to this project ;)
20:49:27TheCompWizI'm sure I'll get to know everyone eventually.
20:49:53TheCompWizdesowin: ... quick question... daily build is generated from the SVN... right?
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20:50:12desowinTheCompWiz: yes, there's no 'backstage'
20:50:27TheCompWizdidn't think so.
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20:50:45TheCompWizwell... all I know is... if I plug it into USB with the daily... it just reboots into factory firmware.
20:50:56TheCompWizguess it's a WIP
20:51:29desowinit does on iPod, but not on sansa, but the bootload boots into OF if usb cable is connected, yes
20:51:39desowins/bootload/bootloader/
20:51:54TheCompWizah.
20:52:12TheCompWizit's not supposed to reboot I guess.
20:52:40TheCompWizprolly some bug in the stack.... oh well.
20:52:50cghi, anybody here who could give me write access to the wiki? I would add my name to the RockBoxPlayer page...
20:53:13desowinTheCompWiz: I would suggest lurking at what developers say and svn commits...
20:53:37desowincg: what's your real name?
20:54:01cgdesowin: Henri Valta (wiki HenriValta)
20:55:56desowindone
20:56:05cgthanks!
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21:05:21khermansi have a whole bunch of SPX files (Speex/OGG) −− how can I get them on my rockbox?
21:05:41khermanshere is what i already have done
21:05:57khermansfirst loaded up rockbox and it went through my itunes db
21:06:20Soapmanually copy them over to the directory structure of your player.
21:06:21khermansi then converted the itunes db using itdb2tc from source on linux
21:06:26Mouser_XWhat player? More specifically, what OS are you running? Either way, you need to connect it in MSC mode (IIRC), and simply drag+drop the files to your player. It should be recognized as an external drive.
21:06:33khermansbut now i also want to add these new files
21:06:49Soapyou will not be able to use iTunes or iTunes database programs to copy over such files.
21:06:55khermansSoap, right
21:07:03khermansSoap, but i mean i can use both at the same time correct?
21:07:07Mouser_XSo, just copy them to your player, as Soap said.,
21:07:29LloreanjhMikeS: Your patch doesn't compile, for me
21:07:34Mouser_XYou can have the files on your iPod, but your iPod won't be able to read them.
21:07:41Mouser_XAnd, you can dual-boot.
21:07:58khermansMouser_X, they are not DRMd, why wont they be read?
21:08:01Mouser_XSorry, the iPod OF won't be able to read them.
21:08:10Mouser_XBecause they're SPX files.
21:08:19Mouser_XiPod doesn't play SPX files.
21:08:21khermansyes but rockbox should get them right?
21:08:27Mouser_XIndeed.
21:08:30khermansi read that rockbox supporetd spx
21:08:33khermansnice nice
21:08:34jhMikeSLlorean: did I forget a file?
21:08:37LloreanjhMikeS: No rule to make target `stream_thread.h', as needed by alloc.o
21:08:39khermansyou guys rock all boxen
21:08:47Mouser_Xkhermans: Which is correct.
21:08:54jhMikeSLlorean: guess I forgot a file :0
21:08:57LloreanIndeed
21:09:12jhMikeSone sec
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21:13:35jhMikeSLlorean: new patch up
21:14:11LloreanjhMikeS: Already compiling. :)
21:14:23LloreanCompiled fine
21:14:40rasherDoes our resampler have problems going from 48kHz to 44.1?
21:15:05jhMikeSshouldn't have problems going anything from 50% to 200% at least
21:16:00jhMikeS48kHz S/PDIF recordings sound ok
21:17:28rasherCould it be the a52 codec then? I'm getting clicks with Rockbox (sim), but not with MPlayer.
21:18:28rasherOr just the sim, I suppose. I'll try on target in a second.
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21:19:07Jayhmm i just installed rockbox yester day and ive been trying to fiqure out how to se my video podcast on rockbox
21:19:17khermansis the rockbox decoder for SPX with odd bitstreams a little unstable?
21:19:36jhMikeSrasher: could be. it could be something in the handling of the audio packets when buffering too.
21:19:46LloreanjhMikeS: The patch seems to work nicely with my encode of 300 at least. It's actually 2.35, I cropped it, so it's a fairly small frame. But I didn't set a -g value, I don't think, so it's whatever the default is. The preview pops up very fast (less than a second).
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21:19:59khermansi am listening to spx files encoded mono at 8bits 16Khz wideband
21:20:22khermansthere is a slight hiss in talking periods
21:20:42khermansjust wondering how stable that code is and if i can contribute
21:20:55Lloreankhermans: Have you tried this file on a PC then?
21:21:00khermansLlorean, ya
21:21:06khermanswith both vlc and totem
21:21:10khermansis it same libs?
21:21:42jhMikeSLlorean: sounds good. cropped for which player?
21:21:45LloreanI was going to suggest using a reference speex decoder, decode to wav, and compare it.
21:21:47LloreanjhMikeS: Gigabeat
21:22:10rasherjhMikeS: interested in a sample if I can confirm it on target? Or should I just file a bug and hope someone picks it up?
21:22:12LloreanSo it's like 320x136 if I recall
21:22:15XBlackChaosXis there a way watch video podcast on rockbox
21:22:35LloreanXBlackChaosX: Yeah, just convert them to mpeg 2, and watch
21:22:59jhMikeSrasher: yeah, post one since that gives something to look at. it probably shouldn't happen on sim either though.
21:23:07khermansLlorean, hrmm i am not sure which implementation is a reference decoder
21:23:11XBlackChaosXso i can watch wat i downloaded on itunes
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21:23:18khermansLlorean, i might be able to use sox, but not sure how well that it
21:23:55khermansor speexdec
21:23:57Lloreankhermans: http://www.speex.org/downloads/
21:24:15pixelmamaybe that hiss comes from the "famous" resampler if they are 16kHz?
21:24:17khermansLlorean, ok i got speex
21:24:21khermansi used that for encoding
21:24:29khermansthey are at 16khz
21:24:32jhMikeSrasher: per chance give a wav dump from test_codec too ?
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21:24:38khermans"famous" ?
21:24:39Lloreanpixelma: Possibly
21:25:01XBlackChaosXwat r some recommended patches for rockbox 4 the 5g ipod video
21:25:14khermansLlorean, wondering what you mean by "famous" ..
21:25:26LloreanjhMikeS: Just as a point, with the disk already spinning, "resume" was for all practical purposes, instant.
21:25:33pixelmakhermans: it's not the best, I've heard
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21:25:44khermanspixelma, hrmm you mean at 16khz ?
21:25:48jhMikeSLlorean: then it's working as intended :)
21:25:51khermanspixelma, so maybe i should stick to 32000 ?
21:27:04rasherjhMikeS: Listening again now, and I'm not hearing any clicks.. Either I was imagining it, or it could be related to voice in some way (I had voice enabled in the sim, and it aborted mid-clip just before I started playing)
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21:27:59jhMikeSrasher: that possibility makes sense to me as well
21:28:32rasherAh no, there they are again. I'll try on target, and create a wavdump if I get the clicks again.
21:28:35webguest21I may be out of place, but have installed RockBox on 5.5G iPod, and it wont read menus in database
21:29:08LloreanjhMikeS: Interestingly enough, both of those were encoded with -g 300, because I was just using a semi-modified command line from my mpeg4 encodes (which was based on an "I have no clue what these parameters do, people seem to suggest this" methodology)
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21:29:25LloreanjhMikeS: By "both" I mean "the two videos I just tried with practically instant seek/resume"
21:30:01pikhqHey; just got a Sanse e260 running Rockbox. . . Anyways, I have a divide by zero error in Rockbox, and can't seem to get it to restart.
21:30:05pikhqAny help?
21:30:21rasherpikhq: hold the power button for 15 seconds
21:30:25linuxstbHold the power button for about 10-15 seconds
21:30:34pikhqThanks.
21:30:39Mouser_Xpikhq: Or hold it for 30, if 15 wasn't enough.
21:31:06*pikhq now just wonders why viewing "Recently Added" in the database caused that
21:32:03jhMikeSLlorean: perhaps on gigabeat it'll blast through it fast enough. on lesser devices the delay will be noticeable though and even annoying if GOPs are 300 frames.
21:33:56LloreanjhMikeS: I'll pick saner values. Even ffmpeg doesn't suggest 300 for mpeg 2, I just accidentally used it because I had no clue. :)
21:34:19khermansLlorean, i think you were right −− the reference speexenc encoder must have issues at 16khz
21:34:35khermansi used speexdec to convert to wav and the same hiss was there :-9
21:34:57khermansdamn ... rockbox is very nice indeed nevertheless!
21:35:05khermanscan i make a donation?
21:35:09Lloreankhermans: It might be the bitrate you're encoding at.
21:35:12khermanslike $20 or something
21:35:22LloreanTotem and VLC might have some form of post-processing attempt.
21:35:31linuxstbkhermans: Sure, there's a paypal donation link on the website
21:35:36*Llorean wouldn't expect it of Totem though
21:35:38khermanslinuxstb, k thx
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21:38:53XBlackChaosXwhere do i put patches for rockbox
21:39:17khermanslinuxstb, @done −−> echo $20.00 | bjorn@haxx.se
21:39:41LloreanXBlackChaosX: Wherever you want, patches have to be applied to the source code before you compile, the files themselves can go anywhere because it's just a place to store them until you apply them.
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21:39:49linuxstbkhermans: Thanks! Glad you like Rockbox.
21:40:00khermanslinuxstb, rock on dudez...
21:42:15XBlackChaosXhmm i apprecite the hlp Llorean but im new wit rockbox so i didnt really understand wat u said
21:42:42XBlackChaosXhow do i apply them 2 the source code
21:43:38khermansXBlackChaosX, patch -p0
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21:44:12linuxstbXBlackChaosX: You may want to look for pre-compiled versions of Rockbox including the patches you want to use - try looking in the "unsupport builds" forum.
21:45:33XBlackChaosXoh ok thx alot linuxstb and since i installed rockbox yesterday i am loving this it is way better then the apple fw and im definitly sticking wit rockbox :)
21:50:22cgpikhq: i can reproduce the divide by zero in recently added...
21:50:55cgif you have empty list in recently added and try to use <random>
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21:55:43cgseems to be line 1389 in tagtree.c
21:57:03TheCompWizgrrr... not much I can glean from the developer notes & forums that says a whole lot about sansa usb functionality.
21:57:57linuxstbThat's because there basically isn't any usb functionality...
21:58:03TheCompWizLOL
21:58:04cgcould some dev fix this or should i submit patch?
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21:58:35TheCompWizstill... if I plug in a usb cable... it reboots. very much an "undocumented" feature.
21:59:44rashercg: Patches are always welcome
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22:13:35linuxstbcg: I've no idea what that function is doing, so wouldn't like to guess a fix... A patch or bug report is probably best, unless someone shouts.
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22:16:07cglinuxstb: i made a patch that seems to work properly: FS #8375
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22:26:36XBlackChaosXi downloaded a theme and for some reason ita not showing the wps that it showed in the screenshot
22:27:02linuxstbThe theme is either broken, or requires features not in the official builds, so Rockbox rejects it.
22:27:19linuxstbOr rather, the wps part of the theme.
22:28:06Daniel_SThe mpegplayer seek patch works great on H300 with all my videos. Thanks. But do you know that it takes ages to seek through videos with 1 hour length?
22:28:08Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: They've tightened up the WPS parser. I have a WPS that, more than once, hasn't worked in Rockbox. I've had to edit it to fix these problems.
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22:30:06Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: If you want to fix that WPS yourself, you can try finding "checkwps.exe" or read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
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22:33:53XBlackChaosXoh hey mouser
22:34:00XBlackChaosXits me jay
22:36:03XBlackChaosXyea but there is alot if wps that dont wrk and how do i edit them cause remember ijust started yesterday
22:36:08khermansdoes Rockbox not filter .aac files in the list by default?
22:36:24khermanswill i need to rename them all to .m4a or .mp4 or something simialr?
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22:39:03LloreanIsn't .aac usually indicative of a raw AAC stream? I think rockbox expects them to be in an mp4 container.
22:39:07Llorean
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22:44:20Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Read that page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
22:44:48Mouser_XWPS files are TEXT files, and can be opened in a text editor (such as Notepad, or Wordpad, or whatever your OS uses.)
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22:44:53khermansLlorean, i just used faac -b 32 to encode some wavs
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22:45:48linuxstbkhermans: Are you on Linux?
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22:53:48XBlackChaosXhey mouser do u know the original rockbox wps thats first installed
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22:55:10XavierGrI think I will never be able to surpass amiconn's & pixelma's tower of rockbox! This thing is huge, nicely built and so cool! :D
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22:55:49Bagderindeed impressive!
22:56:12Bagderthey did raise the bar quite a bit
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22:57:23XBlackChaosXwat is the tower of rockbox?
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22:59:02BagderXBlackChaosX: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox
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23:00:03Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Yes, I'm aware of it. I've seen it pretty rarely though.
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23:00:59XBlackChaosXwell mouser thats wat show up instead of theajant orange wps
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23:01:14XBlackChaosXwell mouser thats wat show up instead of the ajant orange wps
23:01:15amiconnjhMikeS: still around?
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23:02:25khermanslinuxstb, yes i am on linux
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23:02:34billenium12hey
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23:03:02billenium12i dont know if this has to deal with rockbox or anything. But when i download Cygwin and try to install it, my internet always cuts out.. and i cant start again from 10 percent, can i?
23:03:03khermanslinuxstb, is there an issue with wav->aac encoding using faac on linux?
23:03:19billenium12also is there another way i can get a compiler for rockbox?
23:04:01khermansbillenium12, get a download manager or use wget -c
23:04:14amiconnBagder: This tower didn't even contain all targets... my Ondio SP, the 1st Gen iPod (still opened) and another X5 are missing... Plus some more spare parts I have lying around
23:04:15Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Your point? The WPS is obviously not working, so it loaded the default.
23:04:22khermanslinuxstb, file output −−> 01.aac: MPEG ADTS, AAC, v2 LC, 44.1 kHz, monaural
23:04:35XavierGramiconn: then we are expecting an update soon :P
23:04:38XBlackChaosXoh ok so is there a way to fix that
23:05:39Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Yes, and I told you how.
23:06:07amiconnXavierGr: Btw, the tower was actually quite solid - the iAudio docks (front part) help a lot, and also the fact that the fullsize iPods perfectly fit the cut-outs in the archos rubber corners
23:06:22Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Look at about 30 minutes ago.
23:06:58Mouser_X*34 min. ago, or 20 min. ago.
23:07:08XBlackChaosXlol smartass
23:08:05XBlackChaosXbut that link tells me aboutall these things that i dont understand
23:08:24XBlackChaosXill try my best though so thx alot mouser i appreciate it ;)
23:08:28Mouser_XIndeed. Read it, and compare it to the WPS you're trying to get working.
23:09:06XBlackChaosXso i have 2 read the whole thing
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23:09:19Mouser_XSpecifically, what I do is I'll load the WPS into Notepad, and then use CTRL+F to find the bits that I don't understand.
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23:09:43Mouser_XCTRL+F in Firefox, on that CutstomWPS page.
23:09:46rigelso the rockbox devs like the sandisk players, i was wondering if anyone was looking at the "sansa connect"
23:09:54rigelbecause that would be totally badass
23:09:59rigelwith the wifi
23:10:07rigellike a hacked zune, which somehow never happened
23:10:12khermansi am having a problem playing back faac -b 32 encoded wav files
23:10:30khermanssaved an transferred as .aac, .m4a, and .mp4
23:10:36khermans.aac doesnt show up in list
23:10:44khermans.m4a and .mp4 both wont play
23:11:26Mouser_Xkhermans: Have you tried playing the file using a different program? Like, Winamp, foobar2000, etc?
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23:11:52khermansMouser_X, vlc and totem both work great
23:12:02Mouser_XIf it plays in one of those, what kind of info do those give you for that file?
23:12:17Mouser_XSpecifically, perhaps the file is missing something the Rockbox expects to see.
23:12:32khermansMouser_X, −−> file 01.aac ... 01.aac: MPEG ADTS, AAC, v2 LC, 44.1 kHz, monaural
23:13:26Mouser_XI'm not anywhere near familiar enough with AAC to know what that means... Sorry.
23:13:42khermanslinuxstb was. but he wetn away it seems
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23:13:58Mouser_XI don't use AAC, but I figured perhaps if you could get more info, it'd help narrow down the problem.
23:14:12khermansMouser_X, i think it is a decoding issue
23:14:20Mouser_XNo idea.
23:14:25khermansMouser_X, how to find out?
23:15:08mokkurkalvemust not aac files be put in mp4 container? raw aac files are probably not played. You cannot only rename aac to mp4 if it's not actually in mp4 container.... also there is many profiles rockbox don't play. iTunes encoded LC-AAC CBR files seemst to work, but last time I tried some Nero encoded LC-AAC VBR files they didn't play. Don't really use aac so I haven't tried much though....
23:16:04khermansmokkurkalve, faac makes RAW non-mp4?
23:16:19khermanshrmm ... well vlc and totem and mplayer all play the RAW AAC
23:16:37khermansis it impossible for Rockbox to?
23:16:59khermansanyways, i think there is an faad option to make mp4 with -a
23:17:01mokkurkalveread the man pages, I dunno what it does by default.... I think it can do both
23:17:27mokkurkalveI don't think RB plays raw aac
23:17:42mokkurkalvenot sure though
23:17:50Lloreankhermans: Rockbox expect MP4 containers
23:18:03rigelaac is lame anyhow
23:18:07LloreanSince they're *supposed* to be in one, and there's not really a proper way to tag them otherwise.
23:18:30khermansLlorean, i see what you mean
23:18:43khermansLlorean, the raw aac doesnt have the bits for file identification
23:18:58khermansi guess i should have used the -w option in faac
23:19:00khermansheh!
23:19:20khermansLlorean, i was just telling morkkukalve that vlc, totem, and mplayer all play raw AAC
23:19:25LloreanSo?
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23:19:31khermansdidnt know if there was a lib to rip that functionality from
23:19:53khermansLlorean, i dont mind adding that feature to rb myself
23:19:57LloreanRockbox doesn't support every container / format possible.
23:20:09khermansbut its best to ask here first about the implementation
23:20:10LloreanFor example, you can encode all sorts of audio in mkv containers, but we don't support them at all, I believe.
23:20:25khermansmatroska?
23:20:46LloreanIt should be able to contain nearly any sort of audio stream, being just a container format.
23:21:20mokkurkalveRB don't support Matroska, I'm sure
23:21:30khermanscoll so ill just make an mp4 container
23:21:35LloreanAAC audio on its own shouldn't really be anything but an MP4 container, being mpeg 4 audio. My point was just that trying to support every codec / container mix isn't really feasible or wanted.
23:22:05khermansLlorean, i guess i was just so surprised that Rockbox supported SPX that I went crazy assuming it supported much more!
23:22:49LloreanSPX is "speex in an ogg container"
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23:22:55LloreanWe support formats in their native container.
23:22:57khermansLlorean, yup
23:23:15khermansi am glad to have ogg support
23:24:59LloreanMy understanding is that faac is a rather sub-par AAC encoder anyway.
23:25:32khermansLlorean, :-(
23:25:36LloreanBut Vorbis, FLAC and Speex generally meet all my current needs anyway, and anything you're likely to find provided elsewhere is going to be MP3 or a proper MP4/AAC anyway.
23:25:39khermansLlorean, i got nothing else on linux
23:26:01LloreanWhy do you need AAC specifically, though?
23:26:01linuxstbYou can use Nero's free (as in beer) AAC encoder with Wine.
23:26:17khermansLlorean, i am a huge open source afficianado :-)
23:26:29khermansLlorean, oh i dont −− OGG is great, but for low-bitrate audiobooks
23:26:35khermansi thinkj AAC does better
23:26:37LloreanOGG is a container.
23:26:41LloreanSpx does better than AAC.
23:26:42khermansvorbis
23:27:04khermanslinuxstb, haha no way !
23:27:13khermanslinuxstb, i wouldnt steep that low
23:27:18LloreanHE-AAC *might* reach semi-competitive qualities at low enough bitrates, but HE-AAC requires a significant cpu overhead.
23:27:27khermanslinuxstb, give me freedom or give me death −− i pay for it
23:27:34Lloreankhermans: Then you can't use AAC
23:27:49LloreanIf you're going to be so gung-ho about open source software, I'm surprised you're willing to use such a patent encumbered format.
23:28:02khermansLlorean, hehe yes aac/mp3 is bad
23:28:15khermansLlorean, i agree −− but i was merely testing the device
23:28:18khermansand rockbox
23:28:45khermansLlorean, i still use flash, what choice do i have :-9
23:28:59khermansyoutube, google, everyone push it down my throat
23:29:17khermansi plan to use vorbis mainly
23:30:47JThundleyI live without flash, it's not that hard
23:30:56khermansJThundley, dont go to youtube?
23:30:59JThundleyI use the youtube-dl script to download stuff
23:31:04Mouser_XSame.
23:31:06khermansJThundley, well sure ...
23:31:23khermansthere is DownloadHelper
23:31:25khermansfor FF
23:31:28JThundleythen I don't have to wait for it stream, I just collect links from other people and watch them all at once when I'm bored
23:31:44JThundleyI have a klipper action set up, so I just copy a youtube url to my clipboard and I get a little popup to click on
23:31:48*Mouser_X transcodes them for use in Rockbox...
23:31:49khermansJThundley, you are leeching youporn arent you :-P
23:32:01JThundleyI have that script too, but I don't use it, I swear!
23:32:24LloreanPlease keep the channel on-topic to Rockbox
23:32:32JThundleywill do
23:32:36Mouser_XI did mention Rockbox...
23:32:39khermansJThundley, did you know that guy started that less than a year ago and is a harvard MBA planning to sell it for a cool 20 milliion this year?
23:32:43khermansLlorean, sorry
23:32:56khermansi dont think rockbox can play vids yet
23:33:02Mouser_XIt can.
23:33:07Mouser_XMPEG 1 and 2.
23:33:08khermansMouser_X, oh really!?!?
23:33:09JThundleyyep
23:33:18khermansvery nice <−− in borat voice
23:33:18Mouser_Xhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
23:33:59Mouser_Xkhermans: It's been able to play them since Jan. or March.
23:34:05Mouser_X(Something like that.)
23:34:14LloreanMouser_X: We're getting seeking *very* soon, I think
23:34:24Mouser_XWow, I wasn't expecting that.
23:34:31LloreanThere's a patch in the tracker that lets you select a start point to within a second, very quickly, now.
23:34:59Mouser_XI was reading here, and it sounded like it might be coming, but I always figured seeking was to CPU-intensive to be feasable.
23:35:01LloreanIt's basically ready for seeking, but he wants to make sure the patch itself works before he adds controls and user interface hoo-ha for the actual seeking
23:35:20LloreanHow CPU intensive it's going to be is partially going to depend on how you encode the videos.
23:35:20Mouser_XWow indeed.
23:35:25XBlackChaosXhow do i install the multiplle font patch mouser?
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23:35:33LloreanXBlackChaosX: Learn to compile your own build first.
23:35:42XBlackChaosXok thx
23:35:45Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Due to your level of expertise, I'd say that you don't install it.
23:36:05khermansLlorean, not easy as make ?
23:36:10LloreanMouser_X: Basically, iiuc, how much work the CPU has to do will depend on how many frames you've set for the group of pictures value when encoding.
23:36:15XBlackChaosXbut thats the only way i can get my wps to work
23:36:30Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: Not true. Remove that need.
23:36:31Lloreankhermans: Nah, it really is, but a lot of people come from windows, so they have to set up cygwin first. And even linux people must install the cross compilers.
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23:37:27Mouser_XXBlackChaosX: As in, open the WPS in a text editor (Notepad, for example), and find the place where it specifies the need for multiple fonts, and remove it.
23:37:47*Mouser_X has done this on occasion.
23:37:57Mouser_X(Though, not for mult-font stuff.)
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