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#rockbox log for 2007-12-30

00:00:06amiconnYes, why not? Trade compression for seek accuracy or somesuch
00:00:33amiconnThe seek should of course snap to the nearest start-of-gop
00:00:47jhMikeSfor DVD it's 15 for PAL and 18 for NTSC and all the players can wind to a particular frame in that case quite quickly
00:00:50Lloreanamiconn: Seeking is plenty fast as it is right now, at least on Gigabeat. ;)
00:00:56conandohow does mplayer do it?
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00:00:59dsahello
00:01:02LloreanI can seek nearly instantly with GOP length of 300. :-P
00:01:31dsadoes rockbox work with any version of ipod firmware
00:01:44dsafor example theres an update available for the 5.5g winpod
00:01:45Lloreandsa: As long as it works with that hardware version, yes
00:01:46conandoseeking with mplayer is always almost instantly... but i guess they don't care about uncorrupted decoding after seeking as the first few frames after a seek are a bit messed up most of the time ;)
00:01:53dsaioh ok
00:01:56dsaawesome
00:02:08Lloreanconando: mplayer is also on processors on average 10+ times faster than ours.
00:02:31jhMikeSconando: when I looked they "sloppy seek" to about within 1/2 second but the algorthm I came up with can find an exact timestamp in about 5-15 iterations so why not be precise. :)
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00:03:06conandoof course.. but this is also how it "feels" on slower processors.. mplayer is aroudn for quite some time and it's sort of known aroudn for this "instant seeking" behaviour or feeling or whatever ;)
00:03:19dsais it possible to use fdisk on windows?
00:03:34Lloreanconando: Have you tried the new seeking in Rockbox with a reasonable GOP value?
00:03:34jhMikeSI think they may fine tune the initial seek afterward. I know WMP will give up being exact if it has to search too far.
00:03:37amiconnconando: Try it on a ~100MHz machine...
00:03:38Lloreanconando: It was just added a few hours ago
00:03:54conandojhMikeS yeah i already thought they'd do a pretty sloppy seek ;) .. ah cool.. then bring it on hehe
00:05:00amiconnI.e. top-level PC from 1994 or 1995
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00:05:41conandoLlorean no not yet.. i was talking to jhMikeS about it just before he committed the changes... just have to finish some other work here first :(
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00:06:17LloreanIt's orders and orders of magnitude faster feeling than the previous start point selection
00:06:58conandoamiconn of course it won't be the same as on state of the art workstation hardware.. i never said that.. i meant just in comparison with other software on the same machine doing seeks mplayer will almost always outperform
00:07:14conandosounds great!
00:07:34amiconnLlorean: Is startup time also better now?
00:07:41Lloreanamiconn: MUCH
00:07:42dsaanyone?
00:08:00Lloreanamiconn: I can resume a file at 1:53:22 almost instantly (spin up is the only real delay)
00:08:03amiconnOld mpegplayer had slow startup on coldfire, and was pathetic on PP...
00:08:12LloreanIt was pretty bad on Gigabeat too
00:08:23amiconnI mean even when playing from the beginning
00:08:23LloreanI'll be testing on an iPod Video in a few days for a Best / Worst comparison
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00:08:31EternalRainsdsa: short answer: yes.
00:08:44dsalong answer?
00:08:45conando1:53:22? that's a pretty long video to watch on such a small device :)
00:08:55EternalRainsgo here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255867
00:08:59dsakk
00:09:01dsathank you
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00:09:15EternalRainswelcome
00:09:17Lloreanconando: I have encodes of several of my DVDs for testing purposes.
00:09:25EternalRainsbut google it first
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00:10:57*amiconn once watched LotR part 1 on the archos recorder :> (@ conando)
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00:11:21conandoi haven't yet tried watching a whole (2h) movie on the little 220x176 screen ;)
00:11:33conandoamiconn... that's pretty much as geeky as it can get...
00:11:42amiconnArchos is 112x64, monochrome. Showing greyscale with neat trickery.
00:11:47LloreanI managed to get through all of 300 on a 132x80 screen at 2.35 aspect ratio
00:12:01conandoi know.. before the sansa i still used my archos player :)
00:12:02jhMikeSat least a 320x240 screen + nice CPU power makes it ok to watch TV and movies
00:12:10LloreanThough I only half watched it. Looks to make sure it was going, etc, just curious about battery life.
00:12:20conandooh you could have topped that lotr "experience" .. you could have watched it as ascii art on the archos player ;o)
00:12:21LloreanSurprising results, after the whole film it still showed 77% charge.
00:13:19jhMikeSLlorean: Do you turn the BL brightness way down? I keep it up just high enough for white to seem white.
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00:13:32LloreanjhMikeS: I left it at default
00:14:09LloreanI don't know whether the percentages are right for the c200 yet, but if they are, it'd suggest you could get 9 hours of video or more out of it, surprisingly.
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00:14:19amiconnconando: Honestly, I pondered trying the greyscale trick on the archos player. But I guess you won't be able to recognise much at 20x14 pixels resolution...
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00:14:36jhMikeSthis will also use less CPU since it actually sleeps the processor now when waiting to draw frames
00:15:44amiconnOh, it didn't do that before?
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00:17:24jhMikeSamiconn: no, just spinning. now it waits for the whole duration and just spins the small remainder to be accurate. if waiting for audio insert, it sleeps the audio thread for one audio frame.
00:18:34BagderFYI, the Sansa View has a second partition made exactly like the e200v1
00:19:02linuxstbWas the View the one with the PP-derived chip(s)?
00:19:07Bagderyes
00:19:09jhMikeSnot waits the _whole_ duration but duration - 1 tick and most frames are several ticks long
00:19:32*linuxstb has lost track of the Sansa range of players...
00:19:49Bagderthe view looks almost like a e200 and has the PP61x0 something
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00:20:17jhMikeSsansa's trying to keep up with the new rockbox ports started lately :)
00:22:09*jhMikeS also doesn't know why he keeps referring to "SanDisk" as "Sansa" :p
00:23:37conandosanta? ;)
00:23:57conandohe brought me a sansa for xmas...
00:24:56jhMikeSI think the e200 v3 is coming out next week or am I behind on things?
00:26:28GWillakersReading the manual I don't see anything about 'Smart Playlists' ... does RB have them??
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00:27:08linuxstbThe database has fully customisable searches - which I think are equivalent to what Apple call "Smart playlists".
00:27:51linuxstbIf they're not in the manual, you can read about them here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase
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00:32:03GWillakersthanks, i'll give it a look.
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02:00:39TheBiggerGuydoes anyone know if the Iaudio X5 reset switch is a push-to-make or a push-to-break switch, mine just fell off
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02:06:03moosTheBiggerGuy: you don't need the reset button under rockbox
02:08:42TheBiggerGuymy x5 wont turn on thow so i thought the reset might be a push-to-break switch on the power circuit
02:08:43TheBiggerGuyany thoughts
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02:11:11Soap16 hours runtime on my iPod 5th gen.
02:11:17Soap78% of apple firmware
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02:12:23moosTheBiggerGuy: ah ok :(, maybe check wiki but don't know if you will find
02:12:48moosSoap: how much do you win in proportion?
02:12:53Soapcompared with 51% of apple runtime 15 months ago.
02:13:33*moos is surprised to see comparaisons, appel fw oriented ;)
02:14:25Soap50% 15 months ago, 55% after COP and 64MB buffer, 66% after HDD poweroff, 78% after USB poweroff.
02:14:59LloreanSoap: Tried this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379
02:15:30moosSoap: and compared to svn how much you win?
02:15:51moosthat was 12% for Bushel
02:16:11LloreanAh
02:16:19Soapthat's the one I used for this latest test, I did NOT have the hold switch on, thus no Clickwheel poweroff.
02:16:33LloreanThe second one or the first one?
02:16:42Soap78/66 = 18% gain
02:16:44Soapsecond one.
02:16:55LloreanI'm curious what we're supposed to gain from a higher base clock speed.
02:17:10LloreanDoesn't that mean more power is wasted when we don't need boosting?
02:17:14moosSoap: indeed nice
02:17:18Soaphe was hoping to keeep MPC from boosting.
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02:18:03SoapIIUC he was seeing if 0% boost @ 45 was better than X% boost @ 35.
02:18:48TheBiggerGuyp.s. while iv got the lid of the X5L version do you want any pics
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02:19:36Soapwell, let's remove my previous rounding from my answer - 16h/13.75h = 16% gain.
02:20:08LloreanI don't like the idea of boosting the idea of boosting the CPU for specific codecs.
02:20:32SoapLlorean, do you care to rephrase that? I am confused.
02:20:39LloreanSorry, boosting the _base_ cpu
02:21:36TheBiggerGuymoos: Lookin at the pcb it looks like 1 side to the reset is on ground, do u think if i short it, it will be ok?
02:21:39saratoga3i also dislike the idea of boosting the base CPU
02:22:25saratoga3though i'd be very interested in seeing the difference in current draw between keeping the CPU at 45MHz and boosting from 30/80
02:22:31LloreanI could understand picking a baseline for what the "base" CPU should be, for example "Decoding MP3 @ CBR 128kbps" or something, but the baseline should either be chosen based on "what's good for the CPU", "what's good for the UI" or "what's good for the single most common codec" (imho)
02:22:49saratoga3or maybe letting each codec request what base CPU should be used
02:23:04saratoga3though honestly i think the difference is small
02:23:20Soapbuschel mentioned earlier that his earlier assumption was wrong, and that amiconn was right that power consumption had a linear correlation to clock speed, thus boosting shouldn't be costly - and lord knows it is simple.
02:23:41saratoga3yes thats what i expected since theres no change in voltage
02:23:50moosThe BiggerGuy: I never opened my X5 yet :), try what do you feel at your risk, maybe you could ask LinusN when he will back(maybe next week). He made the iaudio X5 port...
02:24:02LloreanSoap: My understanding is that boosting has a linear correlation to clock speed, *except* that it may be possible to run some processors at a lower voltage and gain some savings (iirc), but we don't do that.
02:24:08Lloreanlower voltage when slow
02:24:15Soapooohhh
02:24:48Soapthat's a cool can of worms.
02:25:35Llorean*someone* told me that, I think it may even have been amiconn.
02:26:01LloreanI may have misunderstood or misrepresented what he said. Lord knows plenty of other things fly past me. :)
02:26:26TheBiggerGuywill the bootloader display anything if the harddrive is disconected (X5)?
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02:26:57LloreanProbably
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02:39:55aliaskWho was it that was playing around with flashing over JTAG?
02:40:07JdGordonon which target?
02:40:15aliaskGigabeat F/X IIRC
02:41:15JdGordondunno
02:41:40mooskkurbjun was, no?
02:41:49aliaskThat's right...
02:42:35aliaskI've got a gigabeat S lying around, thought I'd give getting it back up and running a shot
02:43:11moosgood luck then ;P
02:43:14aliaskBut I don't have the faintest idea how to go about it
02:51:39JdGordonwoo
02:51:40JdGordon!
02:51:42JdGordonviewports
02:54:08LloreanJdGordon: Someone needs to start adapting it to other LCDs, wink wink, nudge nudge.
02:54:28JdGordonfinnaly, something interesting to do..
02:57:32moosgo go go ! :)
02:58:11JdGordonfood first though
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03:04:51JamPSHi, how can I limit the maximum volume?
03:05:03LloreanDon't turn it up.
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03:08:33LloreanYou could make use of the equalizer precut to digitally lower the overall volume, thus effectively capping the maximum volume.
03:10:38aliaskWould that eat CPU though?
03:10:43mokkurkalveThere are also the option to use replaygain together with the raplaygain pre-amp option
03:11:04saratoga3i think precut is pretty much free, at least it should be
03:11:07Lloreanaliask: The precut should just be one multiply per sample, iiuc.
03:11:54aliaskSounds like a good solution then...
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03:12:53LloreanIt ought to work, I think the precut goes to -24
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03:13:41psycho_maniacCan we now seek in mpegplayer?
03:14:16Lloreanpsycho_maniac: No.
03:14:35LloreanThat's why it says "Actual UI for seeking will be added soon"
03:14:48psycho_maniacno? then i must of got the new svn comment confused. ahhh thats kinda what i figured.
03:15:27psycho_maniacThanks for clearing that up
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03:25:33TheBiggerGuyanyone know the iaudio x5 circuitry
03:26:55TheBiggerGuyor the 3rd generation ipod
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03:38:19*Soap hasn't launched mpegplayer for years it seems like.
03:38:42Mouser_XSoap: That would be because it hasn't been around for years...
03:38:56Mouser_X(I think I used the wrong words there.)
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04:24:01countrymonkeywebhi all.
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04:28:28billenium123something weird happened: a good portion of my songs will not play and my ipod cant find the videos i put on my ipod (converted with Winff)
04:29:26Llorean"My ipod can't find"?
04:29:31LloreanYou mean "I can't find?"
04:29:37billenium123i guess
04:29:39LloreanAny file on your iPod can be seen in the file browser.
04:29:54billenium123well i checked twice... and it wasnt there
04:29:56LloreanTry setting the file view mode to "all"
04:30:02billenium123how?
04:30:08LloreanTry reading the manual...
04:30:18billenium123er okay
04:30:41psycho_maniacif you have the pdf version you can easily search the whole thing
04:32:09billenium123er i found it
04:32:13billenium123but it doesnt tell me how to change it
04:32:56psycho_maniacquick menu?
04:33:02billenium123oh wait
04:33:03billenium123doi
04:33:04billenium123thanks
04:33:13billenium123im being stupid
04:33:23billenium123thanks
04:36:58psycho_maniacno problem
04:51:36countrymonkeywebWhat do you all think about auto-translation of the rb manual?
04:52:39LloreanIt's likely to produce greater confusion.
04:52:56LloreanVery specific instructions don't tend to auto-translate well.
04:54:09countrymonkeywebauto-translation of the faq? I just don't think it is right that non-english people cannot get help for rb.
04:54:45LloreanNon-English people aren't lining up and volunteering to keep everything fully updated in parallel with the English versions.
04:55:52countrymonkeywebstill, nextup uses auto-translation on manuals...
04:56:13LloreanSo, because someone else has bad practices, we should?
04:56:38LloreanCan nextup cause a piece of hardware to be completely unusable if people ignore or misunderstand the instructions?
04:57:04psycho_maniacsome words arent translated right when you use auto translation. we went over this before with you.
04:57:14Lloreanpsycho_maniac: Not to mention grammar
04:57:23LloreanA sentence can come out of auto-translation with a different meaning than it went in with
04:57:37countrymonkeywebI figured since the manual didn't have as many tech terms.
04:58:09psycho_maniacwe went over this with you before with the language files
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04:58:34countrymonkeywebright
04:58:37LloreanThe manual is going to have at least as many technical terms as the language file because it has descriptions of most of the menus AND installation instructions
04:58:57psycho_maniacand you got pretty much the same answer.
04:59:15countrymonkeywebgot it. And same holds true with the faq.
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05:00:02psycho_maniacim pretty sure auto translation is a big no no for anything relating to rockbox. i couldnt see any community wanting to use it unless there lazy and dont care about there users.
05:00:21countrymonkeywebOK. That ain't rb! Go rockbox!
05:00:31psycho_maniacim pretty sure this community is NOT lazy and DOES care about there users.
05:01:19hcsCan anyone with knowledge of power management take a look at my patch for recognition of Firewire power on some ipods?
05:01:38hcs'cause otherwise it's going in flyspray to sit
05:02:03Lloreanhcs: I think you may want amiconn?
05:02:24hcsLlorean: yeah, but I couldn't get an answer from amiconn
05:02:39hcshe pointed me in the right direction but didn't look at the patch
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05:02:54LloreanAaah
05:03:53psycho_maniacwould you be ablet o use the wall charger to test it?
05:04:07hcspsycho_maniac: yeah, it works for me
05:04:36psycho_maniacyou have flyspray number?
05:04:52hcsI'll put it in now, just had it on pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/837304)
05:05:18psycho_maniacsave it as filename.diff?
05:05:28hcsmhmm
05:06:45psycho_maniachow long you gonna be around?
05:07:32Mouser_XKnowing him, probably an hour or 2.
05:07:34Mouser_X:P
05:07:43psycho_maniacok thats probably good.
05:07:59hcsFS #8387
05:08:30hcsI think it's fine, but I'm nervous with the core.
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05:09:54psycho_maniacand i CAN use my wall charger with this? just double checking
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05:10:25Mouser_XIf you want your iPod to explode, then yes. :P
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05:11:00hcspsycho_maniac: what wall charger?
05:11:08psycho_maniacI have the original wall charger from apple with the big block then it has a hole for a firewire cable
05:11:30hcspsycho_maniac: yeah, then that should work, I think. what ipod?
05:11:39psycho_maniacipod 5.5g video
05:11:54hcsoh, no, this is for 4G and mini
05:12:06psycho_maniacdangit
05:12:29psycho_maniacthen i cannot help you :S
05:13:17countrymonkeywebI can help. I have a 4g. Be darned that I gave my mini to my brother.
05:14:20hcspsycho_maniac: it doesn't already work for 5.5 video?
05:14:26*psycho_maniac closes my vmware sorry hcs
05:14:52countrymonkeyweb5.5 has no firewire
05:15:05psycho_maniacyes thats hhow i ALWAYS charger it
05:15:35psycho_maniacwith that wall charger. 5.5 does not support firewire transfer but you can charge with firewire
05:16:21hcswell, yes, and I'm just making the older models recognize the firewire charging now
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06:07:20countrymonkeywebYou could say they already do.
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07:07:28|NSA|woot, does rockbox finally have mpeg seeking? or is it just the backend code thats been commited but it doesnt work?
07:08:06LloreanBackend code, that works, but is only used when selecting a start time, or resuming, so far
07:08:39|NSA|didnt that exist already?
07:08:51LloreanYes, but it was implemented poorly and slowly
07:08:56LloreanNow it's much faster, and much more accurate.
07:09:12LloreanIt's fast enough to be used for real seeking, which just needs a UI now
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07:16:15webguest63hey
07:16:34webguest63does rockbox play wmv?
07:16:51webguest63is anyone actually here?
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08:08:03ptw419what needs to be defined to enable DEBUGF output?
08:10:58eigmafrom what I can see, it's only enabled in the simulator bulid
08:11:15eigmaah no, my bad
08:11:20eigmaDEBUG needs to be defined
08:11:51LloreanIt's an option under Advanced builds, I think
08:12:33ptw419ok, ty
08:12:34amiconnDEBUG works for the simulator and on archos (except Ondios)
08:13:02amiconnOn target you'll need a gdb stub and some suitable communication method
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08:29:05bardiaback from the store with a c240 :-) installed the rockbox firmware and fonts, about to run sansapatcher. is it amd64 safe? the new versions of sansapatcher don't have amd64 binaries for d/l. is that b/c it broke or someone got tired of doing it? source seems to compile fine. just some seemingly innocent type warnings...
08:33:45Mouser_Xbardia: c240 AMD64 safe? What do you mean? Why wouldn't it be?
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08:34:31amiconnMouser_X: The sansapatcher executable...
08:34:43Mouser_XAh... Sorry.
08:34:59Mouser_XStill though, I don't know why it wouldn't be.
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08:40:08bardiajust nervous that only v0.2 had the precompiled binary. it ran fine. :-)
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11:16:37waldoLlorean & Badger .. you guys told me yesterday that with rockbox the sansa c200 can use sdhc when using rockbox ... i have a question tough .. seen as how i use the original sansa firmware to connect to the pc .. it won't recognise sdhc there will it ?
11:17:11waldodo i need a sdhc card reader ?
11:18:31LloreanYes
11:18:45LloreanOr you can copy the files to the c200, then in Rockbox move them to the card
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11:26:40JdGordonFUCK!
11:26:47JdGordonactions need to be reverted
11:27:05JdGordonactually... maybe not
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11:29:46linuxstbJdGordon: ??
11:30:03JdGordonhey
11:30:10JdGordonnice work :)
11:30:21JdGordonim writing up a reply to the tracker
11:31:08linuxstbYou're talking about viewports?
11:31:13JdGordonyep
11:31:25linuxstbYou have comments on my patch?
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11:31:49JdGordonnothing major
11:31:55GodEateroooh - there's an actual patch now?
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11:31:59GodEaterI've missed too much!
11:32:02stripwaxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385
11:32:04stripwaxnice
11:32:17JdGordonis having 2 viewport structs really needed? a seperate one for remote is nto going to play nice
11:32:20JdGordonimho
11:32:31linuxstbI know - I've been thinking about that...
11:32:50linuxstbI'm going to do a remote driver next, so I can work out how to do it.
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11:33:16linuxstbThe downside of course is unused items (fg/bg patterns) for mono remotes.
11:33:30JdGordonill pastebin my comment...
11:33:57JdGordonhttp://rafb.net/p/9KwDic97.html <- /me too lazy to retype it
11:34:47JdGordonI dont have a problem with unused items if it makes apps easier to handle
11:35:15linuxstbI think I agree - I've been torn between the two options.
11:36:22LloreanI'm gonna put my opinion alongside JdGordon's on this one.
11:37:07JdGordonits only the h300/x5 with that problem anyway
11:38:11JdGordonthe rest of my comment was "nice work" followed by a brain dump on implementing fun stuff in apps like having wps and menu int he same screen
11:38:31linuxstbDon't worry, I agree - I had pretty much decided to go that way anyway.
11:39:36GodEaterthat will be an interesting read. As I recall LinusN was against having a menu showing while the WPS was up since the player wouldn't know which context to send button presses to.
11:39:43pixelmathe M5 uses the sam iaudio remote so it can have two displays with the same colour depth... (if that's something to consider too, otherwise ignore ;) )
11:40:14JdGordonpixelma: yeah, but the m5 is not 16bit like the other two.. so it wont have the extra vars
11:40:31linuxstbGreyscale targets have fg/bg_pattern
11:40:42JdGordonoh? ah! hmm
11:40:52linuxstbAnd the iaudio remote is greyscale IIRC
11:40:59JdGordonGodEater: yeah, the button thing is a problem - hence my outburst before...
11:41:29linuxstbThe only mono remotes are for the h100/h300 and m:robe.
11:41:34LloreanGodEater, JdGordon: I think it's pretty simple. If the WPS is primary, don't show the menu at all. If the menu is visible, keypresses always go to it. But that's how I'd do it for myself
11:42:14JdGordonbut even with viewports, its not that simple to setup a screen with both the wps and the menu
11:42:24linuxstbMy thoughts (in my viewports design doc) were to have the status bar drawn by the wps code - so the status bar in effect becomes a mini wps which can be drawn in multiple viewports.
11:42:31LloreanI meant "simple" in the sense of "what takes precedence", not implementation. ;)
11:42:57linuxstbAnd the menu will be drawn in another user-defined viewport (or group of viewports).
11:43:37GodEateris the idea still to be able to turn viewports on/off at will ?
11:44:06JdGordonwhat I was thinking is building a window manager into apps which would keep track of which "screens" (including button bar and status bar) to display, a function for each one to call for it to draw in its viewport, and a action/logic function to call.. it would then pass the desired action on
11:44:21JdGordonbut that would need a bit of a rewrite to work properly
11:45:54LloreanThe phrase "window manager" is a little scary. ;)
11:45:55JdGordonwhat we could then do is add some tags to the wps to specify where to display the browser/menu from "inside" the wps, or globally, or whatever..
11:46:18JdGordonLlorean: ill use a better phrase if you can think of one
11:47:03*GodEater wonders why the patch changes chopper.c
11:48:53LloreanJdGordon: That's what I like. A WPS conditional for "Menu", basically
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11:49:54linuxstbGodEater: Well spotted - there was a bug in my code which showed up in chopper, so I was modifying it to debug it. I'll revert that file...
11:50:33JdGordonlinuxstb: so the screen api isnt changing except you set the viewport before and after finishing drawing?
11:51:17linuxstbJdGordon: I haven't thought about the screens api yet - I've just been implementing the core LCD functions and the WPS changes.
11:52:58linuxstbGodEater: What do you mean by turning viewports on/off at will?
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11:54:47GodEaterI don't mean turning them off, I mean being able to display / not display
11:55:10JdGordon... ?
11:55:16GodEaterI think JdGordon / Llorean already covered it more eloquently
11:55:23JdGordonmenu on wps thing?
11:55:26GodEateryes
11:55:54JdGordonI imagine that will come.. porbably not for a while though
11:56:05GodEaterindeed not.
11:56:15*GodEater wasn't expecting it in the initial implementation :)
11:56:23*linuxstb still likes his status-bar-as-wps idea - reusing the existing wps code to display the status bar, including any existing wps elements.
11:56:38stripwaxSo the idea with menu+wps is that you would be able to define a 'menu wps' containing that status info and a viewport for where the menu goes?
11:56:40JdGordonlinuxstb: and in the other screens?
11:56:40GodEateryep - I think that's good too
11:56:51stripwaxI like it too
11:57:09JdGordonstripwax: no, i was thinking a tag which would say where in the wps the menu would be shown when it is activated
11:57:36stripwaxOh - so that status bar in the main WPS and the status bar in the menu system would be one-and-the-same? (no possibility to change it?)
11:57:51JdGordonlinuxstb: nice work... im going to bed... would it be more helpful to start playing with the drawing of a screen? or converting one of the other lcd drivers?
11:58:24*stripwax thought it would be a different .wps definition for menu pages
11:58:43*JdGordon doesnt like that idea, but is pretty sure that will happen also
11:59:12JdGordonas for the statusbar, I agree it could be wps-ified using the existing parser.. but shouldnt be considered part of the wps
11:59:20GodEaterI thought we were still resisting custom menus
11:59:28GodEaterbecause of the associated support nightmare
11:59:41JdGordonyes, content and looks are not the same
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12:01:03stripwaxJdGordon - actually that's exactly what I meant −− the statusbar is defined separately from the main wps
12:01:07linuxstbEach viewport defined in the .wps would have an attribute - wps only, status bar only or "both". When the wps_refresh function is called, it will only render the appropriate viewports. The menu viewport(s) will be defined separately, and rendered into those.
12:02:06JdGordonyeah, I dont relly like the idea of having the statusbar and wps linked, even from just the .wps POV
12:02:09stripwaxalthough if there's only one definition then it can't be changed per screen, of course
12:02:37GodEaterI don't think that's too high a price to pay
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12:07:55JdGordonlinuxstb: ... apps/? firmware/? stay the hell away?
12:08:11linuxstbWhat do you mean?
12:08:22JdGordonwhere would I be more helpful?
12:08:49linuxstbI guess the apps/ code - updating the GUI widgets like the list widget to use viewports.
12:09:15JdGordonk
12:09:26linuxstbAre you planning on working on it now, or are you about to sleep?
12:09:40JdGordonwell.. its 3am... so sleep
12:09:53*JdGordon once again complains about this timezone :p
12:10:15linuxstbPerfect - that gives me my day to work on finalising the firmware/ code and hopefully implementing a few more drivers, including at least one of the remotes.
12:10:49JdGordon:) I dont know how much time ill have sunday to play, but monday and tuesday probably heaps
12:11:28linuxstbThat's fine - the apps/ code works fine as it is, so there's no rush to implement viewports there.
12:11:35JdGordonOH... one thing I wanted to ask... does all scrolling lines on the screen have to be goingin in the same direction?
12:12:18JdGordonor are they all the same in the test plugin because the scroll engin cant actually scroll right yet?
12:12:22stripwaxtwo lines could be bidirectionally scrolling at different rates?
12:12:26linuxstbNo, that's an attribute of the individual line.
12:12:41linuxstbThe speed is global IIUC though.
12:12:50JdGordonok, thats cool
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12:13:42JdGordonand the number of lines scrolling is global?
12:13:49JdGordonits not X per vp?
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12:14:17linuxstbYes, the limit is still global - there's a single list of lines for the display, not per-viewport.
12:14:31conando3am? are you in california JdGorden? :)
12:14:51JdGordonseattle
12:14:57linuxstbIt's possible the scrolling code can be changed/improved further - this is just my first attempt.
12:15:03conandoah..nice
12:15:25JdGordonlinuxstb: good enough for now.. probably for a long while also
12:16:13*linuxstb is used to JdGordon being a day ahead, not a day behind...
12:16:29JdGordonhaha yeah, its a bit odd
12:16:39*JdGordon misses all the rockbox chatter
12:16:55*JdGordon ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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12:32:29Buschelhi. can anyone please close patch #8264? this is not valid anymore due to re-work of mpegplayer.
12:33:09linuxstbSure.
12:33:30Buschelthanks
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12:43:39stripwaxBuschel - from my battery bench on 5g 60GB it seems I get 13hrs. Was hoping for more?
12:45:39Buschelstripwax: what did you get before?
12:48:11stripwaxabout the same .. 12.5hrs iirc
12:48:27Buschelstrange... what kind of audio format?
12:49:01stripwaxexclusively vorbis
12:49:14Buschelhow much cpu uses vorbis?
12:49:29stripwaxand between q4-q5 so ~128kbps. I think it's lower boost that mp3
12:49:41stripwaxthan
12:49:58stripwax20% boost ratio? I forget
12:54:17Buschelhmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G
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13:01:57stripwaxodd indeed. maybe I built a 32MB build by mistake?
13:02:03*stripwax checks
13:02:51Buschelooops, I've made a mistake in my cleanup of the patch... gotta update it asap :/
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13:03:16stripwaxHm. After 13:03:59 my battery bench log stops but it also reports 42% battery level.. is that right?
13:04:11Buschelhmm, that doesn't sound reasonable at all :/
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13:05:52stripwaxThe last line reads: 13:03:59: 42% level, 6:00 hrs remaining, 3800mv, and oddly just 1 M/DA . Perhaps there's another 100 measurements that just failed to get saved out?
13:06:00Buschelthis would lead to 13/0.58 = 22h estimated runtime. too long. also this means the writing of the log wasn't triggered...
13:06:23Buschelhow large is your folder (in MB)?
13:06:26stripwax128MB
13:06:33stripwaxplus or minus a bit
13:06:49scorcheBuschel: batteries dont discharge linearly...
13:06:49stripwaxHave to head out but will be back later on..
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13:08:29Buschelscorche: no, but you get a rough estimation. the discharge curve (in %) gets really non-linear below 15%.
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13:41:09Retro`hello
13:41:14Retro`anyone here?
13:41:21Retro`i need urgent help
13:41:48Retro`i am an owner of SanDisk Sansa e260 mp3 player
13:41:53Retro`i have bricked it
13:42:32Retro`i have Ubuntu 7.10 (Linux OS that is) installed
13:42:42Retro`i had my device connected
13:43:10Retro`then i opened gparted (the partition editor for the GNOME desktop environment)
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13:44:03BigBambiRetro`: Please don't use the enter key for punctuation
13:44:09Retro`then i removed my player's partitions
13:44:21Retro`and from then on my player is bricked
13:44:24BigBambiRetro`: First question - why?
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13:45:29Retro`i had no idea i just need to copy a blank text file sansa.fmt into the root folder of my player to format it
13:45:50Retro`please help me
13:46:30Retro`please give me a direct link to sansa e260 rom file
13:46:31BigBambiI'm afraid I don't own a Sansa, so am not much help. Could you see both partitions from gparted?
13:47:00Retro`BigBambi, i could see it, but now they are gone
13:47:23Retro`i was able to see them i ment to say
13:47:27BigBambiOK
13:48:04Retro`how can i restore my bootloader and firmware?
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13:48:15Retro`please assist me on this
13:48:24Retro`brb. lunch
13:48:50Retro`BigBambi, please temm me what to do... i'll read that when i come back... please
13:48:57Retro`*tell
13:49:08BigBambiI'm not the ideal person, as I say I don't own a Sansa
13:49:23BigBambiI'm sure someone else will come along and try to help when they see it
13:49:39GodEaterI'm not sure having just the rom file would help if you've blown away the partition table
13:49:51GodEaterbut Bagder keeps some files for the sansa here : http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
13:54:14GodEateralso : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
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13:54:34DerPapstmaybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick is from help?
13:54:51Retro`thanks guys
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13:55:13Retro`let me tell you what i do so far about unbricking my device
13:55:33GodEaterI still think blowing away the partition table has probably completely stuffed up recovery mode though
13:55:50Retro`i have followed this instructions http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040
13:55:59BigBambiYeah, I think you will need to fix that before anything
13:56:19Retro`i can boot into recovery mode
13:56:23Retro`with the e200tool
13:56:36DerPapsti've never bricked my e200r so far so can't help much either
13:56:37Retro`following the http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 instructions
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13:57:00Retro`my player is not from the e200r series
13:57:08Retro`my player is from the e200 series
13:57:11GodEatershame
13:57:20GodEaterthen you wouldn't have been ABLE to delete the partition table
13:57:23Retro`e260 to be exact
13:57:34Retro`but i was
13:57:39Retro`even the hidden partition
13:57:44Retro`using gparted
13:57:50BigBambiRetro`: Not if you had an E260r you wouldn't
13:58:06DerPapstyeah.. you mentined that. however i can't help you. sorry.
13:58:20DerPapst*mentioned
13:58:34*BigBambi is still wondering why you deleted them
13:58:34Retro`is there anyone who can?
13:58:44Retro`BigBambi, because i'm a moron
13:58:46Retro`:)
13:58:48DerPapstheh
13:58:50BigBambiheh :)
13:59:08Retro`is there any way to restore those partitions?
13:59:18GodEateronly by recreating them
13:59:18DerPapstif you wait i guess some one with more knowledge about your problem may show up.
13:59:30GodEaterbut you'd have to make sure there exactly the same as they were before
13:59:34GodEateror the device will likely not work
13:59:34Retro`GodEater, please instruct me how to recreate them
13:59:38GodEaterI've no idea
13:59:38BigBambiRetro`: This channel is logged, so hopefully someone who can help will read the logs and turn up later, just keep checking back
13:59:48GodEaterI don't own a sansa
13:59:53Retro`shame :/
13:59:54GodEaterso I've no idea what the sizes should be
13:59:58BigBambiYou would need to know exactly what they were like
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14:00:02DerPapstcan you connect it to your PC stiff?
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14:00:09BigBambiAnd where they started etc.
14:00:18Retro`i can connect it to my pc
14:00:24Retro`but nothing happens
14:00:35BigBambiDerPapst: Does it matter if it is stiff? :)
14:00:47Retro`the using the instructions on http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17040 i am able to enter the recovery mode
14:00:57DerPapstyeah ok... i meant can ou access the flash with fdisk or so...
14:01:19Retro`fdisk? how to do that actually?
14:01:59DerPapstfdisk /dev/sdX where sdX is where your e260 is.
14:02:04GodEatergparted would work just as well
14:02:10Retro`oh that
14:02:13GodEaterif you're not familiar with fdisk
14:02:17Retro`well, i can't
14:02:20*DerPapst is more used to fdisk :-)
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14:02:29Retro`i need e200tool to mount the flash
14:02:47Retro`then /media/disk-1 is mounted
14:03:02Retro`it's 15.3 MB in size
14:03:17Retro`this is where the bootloader resides and the firmware
14:03:47GodEaterthen copy a .mi4 file there as you're supposed to
14:03:51BigBambiSo the partition is there?
14:04:02Retro`yes
14:04:13Retro`when the /media/disk-1 is mounted
14:04:25Retro`but only one partition
14:04:35BigBambiI thought you said you had deleted the partition table?
14:04:38*BigBambi is confused
14:04:46Retro`the 4 GB partition (where music should be) is not present
14:04:47BigBambiAh OK
14:05:12markunRetro`: which tool did you use to delete the partition?
14:05:20Retro`the e200tool just helps me to mount the 16 MB of the flash
14:05:22BigBambimarkun: gparted
14:05:31Retro`markun, i did that with gparted
14:05:35Retro`yeah
14:05:52markunand can't you just create a partition again?
14:05:57Retro`i can't
14:06:02Retro`that's the rub
14:06:05markunwhy not?
14:06:11Retro`i am not able to
14:06:26Retro`or don't know how
14:06:29GodEaterhe can't because (aiui), e200tool isn't exposing the flash memory directly
14:06:31Retro`please tell me if you know
14:06:47GodEaterhe needs to recover the boot rom
14:06:55Retro`yeah
14:07:01GodEaterwell do it then
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14:07:09GodEaterthe page you've linked us to tells you how
14:07:13Retro`yeah
14:07:16Retro`i know
14:07:17Retro`but
14:07:27soap<Buschel> hmm, strange... soap got about 16h with his 5G ????
14:07:35rasherRetro`: I think you can put a file named "format.txt" on the 16mb partition, and it'll reformat your player with the correct partitions.
14:07:40rasheror format.sys, or something
14:07:45rasherSearch around for it..
14:08:12GodEaterformat.txt is the right name I believe
14:08:22rasherwon't that work?
14:08:23GodEaterbut that only works with a previously working sansa
14:08:25Retro`as i googled, it was sansa.fmt
14:08:32DerPapstlunch :-)
14:08:34Retro`but no... didn't work guys
14:08:47rasherodd
14:08:58Retro`yeah
14:09:04GodEaterRetro`: why haven't you done the rest of the procedure on that page then ?
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14:09:18Retro`GodEater, i have
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14:09:20GodEaterit seems to me you're just wasting time here - when you already have the instructions you need
14:09:52Buschelsoap: wasn't this your result?
14:10:36Retro`please let me type in here what error i get when i want to restart the player
14:10:53Retro`after the .mi4 and .rom files are in the flash drive
14:11:53soapBuschel, it was - isn't that right in line with what you got?
14:12:30soap(I'll fill in the wiki today - need to dig out my password)
14:12:39Buschelyes, similar. i've got +12% you've got +16%... but you tested without hold. hopefully this doesn't make the difference
14:13:19Retro`it's interesting that the .rom file is for e250
14:13:26Retro`i, however, have e260
14:13:41Retro`can you please find .rom file that is for e260?
14:13:51Retro`i am googling 3 hours now and no luck
14:13:55Retro`please assist me
14:15:26soapdid you see your player die, Buschel? Or are you simply going off the Batery Bench?
14:16:06Buscheli did see it die right withe the last HDD-access
14:16:13Buschel*wth
14:16:19Buschelahem, *with*
14:16:43soapI ask because only about 50% of the time do I −−−−−−ahh just making sure - only about 50% of the time does battey bench seem to record the last records properly on my HDD players.
14:17:44Buschelmaybe stripwax has the same issue? maybe connected to number of lines recorded?
14:17:50GodEaterRetro`: You *still* haven't told us what happens when you try with the .rom file from that page
14:17:59Retro`oh
14:18:02Retro`sorry
14:18:17Retro`i am in recovery mode now
14:18:18soapusing your battery bench as an example - the last disk write wrote 24 minutes.
14:18:59soap22
14:19:05Buschelyep, the folder i use needs hdd access each ~20 mins
14:19:47GodEaterRetro`: yes - you keep saying this. What happens when you copy the two files over as the page instructs you to ?
14:20:08Retro`i am now in the recovery mode and the /media/disk-1 just mounted
14:20:24Retro`now i will transfer those files in and disconnect the player
14:20:36GodEatermake sure you unmount it properly first
14:20:40Retro`then the bootloader would print out some error
14:20:51Retro`let me see here...
14:21:28Retro`omg
14:21:55Retro`the mi4 file on that site i follow instructions, is an american player file
14:22:06Retro`i have an european player
14:22:09GodEaterso download one of the ones from daniel's site
14:22:12GodEaterwhich I linked to earlier
14:22:30Retro`ok
14:22:38Retro`found your link up there ;)
14:23:04GodEaterthe e200 european one is the one you need
14:23:17Retro`it's probably best to use the bl rom in the daniels site as well
14:23:30Retro`not the one the instructions offer
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14:23:31Retro`?
14:23:39GodEaterideally yes
14:23:42Retro`ok
14:26:12Retro`i don't know why does the note say Sansa e250 is now safe to remove. before i bricked it, it said Sansa e260 is now safe to remove.
14:26:25Retro`:/
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14:27:01GodEaterI don't believe it matters
14:30:55Retro`here's the error i get: Main image write failed
14:31:31GodEaterthen you're going to need to wait until a sansa owner is around
14:31:54Retro`what is the main image anyway?
14:32:29Retro`the bootloader image?
14:32:31GodEaterno idea
14:32:39GodEaterdid you try putting a sansa.fmt file in there as well ?
14:32:46GodEateryou could try that too
14:32:53GodEaterto make sure the partitions get re-made correctly
14:33:17Retro`hmm
14:33:19Retro`i didn't
14:33:23Retro`i'll try that as well
14:33:37Retro`i'll report what happened
14:37:40Retro`GodEater, I DID IT!
14:37:45Retro`it totaly worked!!!
14:38:03Retro`it formated the device and now it's all okay
14:38:11Retro`thank you SO much for your tip
14:38:30Retro`it displayed 'Formatting...'
14:38:52Retro`then it loaded the bootloader successfully and also the firmware
14:39:29DerPapstw00t :-)
14:39:33Retro`now it works
14:39:48Retro`there's no music but it works!
14:40:05Retro`now i'll start loading the music in the player
14:40:11Retro`thank you so much guys
14:40:13Retro`all of you
14:40:28Retro`bye ;)
14:43:30Retro`omg
14:43:34markunwhat?
14:43:39Retro`i haven't yet fixed it completely :(
14:43:59Retro`i get the Database refresh fail
14:44:11markunmaybe it needs at least 1 file
14:44:28markun(just a wild guess)
14:44:41Retro`when i have the player plugged in, there's no Sansa e260 folder
14:45:09Retro`just the same /media/disk-1 directory
14:45:41Retro`i don't have the 4 GB partition to load music in
14:46:04Retro`there's no capacity for that so the Database refresh fails, naturally
14:46:37Retro`i have unbricked it
14:46:47Retro`but i need the 4 GB bacl as well
14:47:04Retro`*back
14:47:49Retro`gparted lists my device under /dev/sda
14:48:07Retro`and i only have /dev/sda1 which is 16 MB
14:48:28Retro`there's no /dev/sda2 that would have 4 GB
14:49:34Retro`i only have the /dev/sda1 partition of the device
14:49:51desowindoes OF load?
14:50:01Retro`you mean OS?
14:50:07desowinoriginal firmware
14:50:12Retro`yeah, it does
14:50:40desowinand it's giving you such partitions?
14:50:40desowinor you're still in recovery mode?
14:50:51Retro`i'm not in recovery mode
14:51:31Retro`i'm in the firmware now
14:52:59Retro`i have connected the device to my computer but it is mounted as /media/disk-1
14:53:20Retro`as /dev/sda1 that is
14:53:37Retro`as it should be /dev/sda2
14:54:07Retro`but i don't have /dev/sda2 partition
14:55:01Retro`my computer does not recognize the 4 GB capacity of the player and does not create a /dev/sda2 partition when i plug the device in
14:55:03Retro`please help
14:57:00desowinI suggest you wait for someone with more knowledge than I have; I have sansa myself, but never experienced such wierd behaviour
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14:58:24Axiohi guys
14:58:32Axiois there a chrono in rockbox ?
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15:00:39pixelmaa chrono?
15:00:54Retro`when i don't have the player linked with the computer and i look in the Settings > Info it says Memory 0
15:00:54Axiochronometer
15:01:30rasherRetro`: try doing the sansa.fmt thing again, it sounds like your partitioning is still messed up
15:01:41Retro`yeah
15:01:43Retro`it is
15:01:51Retro`i'll try with the sansa.fmt again
15:02:03rasherRetro`: alternatively, what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say? (put it on pastebin)
15:02:10pixelmaAxio: there is a "clock" plugin if your player has the necessary hardware and there's also a stopwatch plugin
15:03:04Axiopixelma, ty
15:03:38pixelmawhat player do you have?
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15:04:52Axioipod nano
15:04:59Retro`i have SanDisk Sansa e260
15:06:43pixelmaAxio: you should find the clock plugin in plugin > applications then
15:06:57pixelma*plugins
15:07:25Axioyep i found it thanks
15:08:20Retro`rasher, here is the fdisk -l /dev/sda response: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50111/
15:08:45rasherFascinating!
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15:09:35Retro`what is fascinating?
15:09:58hcsyikes
15:11:02BigBambiblimey
15:11:47Retro`am i in need sh*t?
15:11:53Retro`need lol
15:11:57Retro`deep i ment
15:11:59Retro`:)
15:12:08Retro`am i in deep sh*t?
15:12:30rasherWell, the partitioning is quite dodgy. Did you try doing the sansa.fmt thing again?
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15:12:54rasherI wouldn't be too worried, it should be perfectly fixable
15:13:57Retro`rasher, yup just did the sansa.fmt again
15:14:02Retro`the same thing
15:14:09Retro`nothing was fixed by that
15:15:55Retro`when i connect the player, it is not recognised by my computer
15:16:19Retro`the /dev/sda1 does not show up
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15:16:55Retro`but if i go to the Recovery Mode, then the /dev/sda1 is shown (in gparted that is)
15:17:52Retro`hmmm, since i'm on Linux i must probably switch the USB Mode to MSC (it's MTP by default)
15:17:55Retro`let me try
15:18:33Retro`same thing
15:18:36Retro`:/
15:19:00rasherWait, you've had it as MTP for all this time?
15:19:32Retro`since i unbirck it yes
15:19:49Retro`since i unbricked it yes
15:20:18Retro`now i switched to MSC but still no Memory recognision
15:20:38rasherAnd which mode are you in?
15:20:45Retro`my player still claims (under Settings > Info that Memory is 0)
15:20:59Retro`i am in the MSC USB Mode right now
15:21:19rasherActually, that fdisk output seems "normal"
15:21:35Retro`seems :/
15:22:00rasherWell, mine is also "broken" according to fdisk
15:22:34rasherWait, that fdisk output is the firmware partition showing
15:22:45rasheror firmware "disk"
15:22:56rasherSince it's not really a partition as such, afaik
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15:25:34Retro`maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well?
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15:27:16Retro`maybe i need these files when in the recovery mode (after the manufactoring mode was done): sansa.fmt, i2c.bin, BL_SD_BOARDSUPPORTSD.ROM, PP5022.MI4
15:27:17Retro`??
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15:27:33Retro`and then diconnect
15:27:37Retro`?
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15:27:55Retro`maybe i need the i2c.bin file as well
15:28:02Retro`what do you think?
15:28:18desowinMTP wouldn't even register as /dev/sdX, I think
15:29:01Retro`i don't know
15:29:18rasherRetro`: I think you should simply go into recovery mode, create sansa.fmt, disconnect and see what happens
15:29:19Retro`but i have the MSC USB mode now
15:29:30Retro`rasher, i did that
15:29:37Retro`rasher, i did that after you first suggested that
15:29:45rasherBut that fdisk dump was not showing that
15:29:59rasherThat was showing the recovery disk
15:30:07rasherDisk /dev/sda: 16 MB, 16777728 bytes
15:31:03Retro`maybe i ought to try with i2c.bin file present as i disconnect from recovery mode?
15:32:06Retro`remember the part when i had to put some files in the recovery disk?
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15:32:17Retro`well, maybe i need to put i2c.bin as well ??
15:34:28Retro`please tell
15:34:38Retro`i don't want to brick my player even further
15:37:03rasherI don't know what i2c.bin does.
15:39:41Retro`me neither
15:39:43Retro`:/
15:39:51Retro`do you care to google what it does?
15:39:58Retro`i can't find any useful info on it
15:40:02Retro`please assist me
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15:47:27Retro`where can i get the original Sansa bootloader and the original Sansa Firmware?
15:47:38Retro`please give me the link to those
15:50:29Retro`eh...
15:50:31Retro`bye
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16:08:11parafinis there a tool to create database from PC?
16:08:34BigBambiThere was
16:08:43BigBambiI'm not usre what state it is in
16:08:49BigBambi*sure
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16:10:49rasherBigBambi: Doesn't compile
16:10:59BigBambiThere we go then :)
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16:24:01imulatori have a question
16:24:15hcsi have a dream
16:24:19imulatorwith wps creating and i cant find it in the manual
16:24:20hcsof one day answering your question
16:24:36imulatori want to make a battery symbol
16:24:45imulatorhow can i define it?
16:25:05imulatori cant understand how its made in the other wpps ;-)
16:25:31imulatoroh
16:25:34imulatorim silly
16:25:38imulatori found it
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16:45:28stripwaxBuschel/soap - right, the previous disk access, for me, wrote about 1 hrs worth of stats to battery_bench.txt . So potentially I've lost about 1 hour of stats, which is still not correct imo (1 hour == 45% battery?)
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16:47:03stripwaxAlthough - maybe it is . I have a prior battery_bench and that last 45% depleted in 1hr 10 mins. So that would put my runtime at about 14hrs. Still seems low : 14 hrs with hold vs soap's 16hrs without hold?
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16:47:43soapIs your battery dying?
16:47:53soapDo you get consistant runtimes when doing repeated tests?
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16:48:23soapMy runtimes are repeatable to within 8 minutes, which is why I report my runtimes @ 15 min resolution.
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16:49:02stripwaxsoap - since I don't actually know what my real runtime is, it's kinda hard to answer that question :)
16:49:49stripwaxsoap - did you use cleared default settings or something else? wondering how dircache etc affects battery life
16:50:40soapoh yea, totally cleared defaults
16:50:41stripwaxBtw - my two prior battery_benches (without Buschel's patch) were consistent to within a few minutes, too
16:51:25stripwaxsoap - at what time did you record 45% battery level?
16:52:28soap9:22
16:52:53stripwaxwoah. I recorded 45% at 12:43
16:53:27soapmine appears more linear than yours
16:53:31stripwaxI'll plot my graphs and upload them somewhere. Maybe my battery is dying after all.
16:53:44stripwaxMy previous graphs were anything but linear
16:55:29soapI'm about to ask a stupid question, but how do I see what version of Rockbox I have installed w/o booting Rockbox?
16:56:09soapOther method to answer the question would be: "How do I know what SVN revision I currently have checked out?"
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16:56:18stripwaxrockbox-info.txt
16:56:21stripwaxin /.rockbox
16:56:26soapty
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16:57:19stripwaxsvn info
16:57:37XavierGrstripwax: 128kbps files give a marginal error of +-30minutes in battery_bench IIRC
16:57:58stripwaxXavierGr - ta
16:58:52XavierGrthat's because the battery can be so low to play music but not spin up the disk, so the last measurements are lost
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17:00:42MardoxxHow come on almost all audio players the timer is never constant... it is always inconsistent between seconds?
17:00:58stripwaxWhich timer?
17:02:07Mardoxxtrack timer, the one that says time remaning etc...
17:02:15Mardoxxthey're never consistant
17:02:29Mardoxxit will go 1 2...34.. 5 6 7..89
17:02:32Mardoxxif you get what i mean
17:03:36hannesdMardoxx: MP3 doesn't allow sample accurate seeking. I think that is the main problem. Software like Foobar2000 will brute force walk the mpeg stream just to support that.
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17:04:08Mardoxxahhhhh
17:04:10stripwaxMardoxx - do you mean, just while playing a track, or while seeking?
17:04:15Mardoxxboth
17:04:47Mardoxxbut i can see now why its playing that its not consistant... because if it uses the data from the track it wont be in sync with "real" seconds
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17:06:34jac0bon kubuntu how do I replace the .rockbox folder
17:06:53rvvs89jac0b: You are using Konqueror?
17:07:02jac0bdolphin
17:07:11rvvs89Right, well use konqueror
17:07:16rvvs89View->Show Hidden Files
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17:07:24rvvs89I don't use dolphin
17:07:39rvvs89Probably the same in dolphin though
17:08:01soapyou know - I did use 32ohm phones this test compared to the 16 ohm phones I normally use. Is there any reason to believe this might affect runtime in a measurable manner?
17:08:12Mardoxxls -x
17:08:12jac0byeah dolphin is the default file manager for kubuntu
17:08:29rvvs89jac0b: I know, I just don't use it
17:08:32Mardoxxor is it ls -f.... cant remember lol
17:08:36quaalnot konqueror ?
17:08:39rvvs89jac0b: And it's the same in dolphin
17:08:57jac0byeah I just checked dolphin its the same
17:09:00jac0bthanks
17:09:56Mardoxxso yeah.... how's the progress with the Zen Vision:M getting on?
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17:10:10Mardoxxand how the hell did you manage to get the keys for the unknown block?
17:12:29stripwaxsoap possibly. i might try a retest with headphones unplugged
17:13:00soapthat is the one variable I failed to control for in this test compared to prior tests.
17:15:09quaalhell yes i get bustamove on her enow
17:15:13quaalrockbox wins
17:15:22quaalhow to make the font larger though its so small
17:16:07stripwaxquall - find the display settings in the menu
17:16:26stripwaxor pick a different theme that already has a large font
17:16:30quaalhmm
17:16:33stripwaxquaal - did you install the fonts package?
17:16:55quaali'm trying to use menu + select to exit bust a move like it says
17:16:57quaalbut its not working
17:17:02quaalthats the top and bottom buttons right
17:17:10stripwaxno
17:17:12stripwaxtop and middle
17:17:36stripwaxquaal - actually, what brand/model device do you have?
17:18:13quaaloh yea top and middle
17:18:14quaaldur
17:19:04quaalok found the font settings under theme settings
17:20:11stripwaxsoap - ok, so mine is nonlinear but just as nonlinear as it was before :) and it looks like I would decay that remainder in about 30-45 mins so pointing to about 14.5hrs max
17:20:39soapwhat did you use to plot yours?
17:20:41stripwaxI'll now see if I can reproduce my prior runtime to confirm my battery isn't just on the way out
17:20:46stripwaxsoap - openoffice calc
17:20:55quaalwhoa
17:20:59quaali wish snap came in a larger size
17:21:02quaali like that one
17:21:11stripwaxquaal - it's an open codebase..
17:21:33quaalhmm
17:21:46quaali'm unfortunately codetarded
17:21:53stripwaxsoap - I can upload my calc file if you'd find it useful (if you have openoffice that is)
17:21:53quaali wonder if its dumbed down
17:22:13soapstripwax, yesx2
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17:24:10stripwaxwww.beermex.com/battery_bench.ods
17:25:00stripwaxto get the data in I had to unfortunately copy+paste the important part to resave as csv and then load /that/ csv into calc and then paste it back in to graph it (gah)
17:26:21quaalstripwax, what would i even use to edit it
17:26:30quaaland do i edit snap.fnt ?
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17:28:11quaaluh yea apparently its in some kind of assembly
17:28:23quaali just cat'd the snap.fnt and it totally donged my terminal
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17:28:54stripwaxquaal - search the wiki for more information. for example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFontConvertor
17:29:03stripwaxthe font file is NOT assembly ..
17:29:21quaalhmm
17:29:32quaalhow do you call this
17:29:44quaaloh nevermind its not pasting right
17:30:15stripwaxquaal - more info here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts
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17:34:09quaalhmmm
17:35:02stripwaxsoap out of interest what audio format did you use?
17:35:15soapLAME APS
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17:35:42soapbecause I can run the comparable test on Apple firmware with that.
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17:37:35nardulEvening
17:38:08nardulIs there a way to prevent my ipod from going into the original firmware when the "hold" key is on?
17:38:13soapstripwax, my discharge is pretty linear
17:38:15soaphttp://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotdq1.png
17:38:18stripwaxsoap - i'll try something similar. I have some previously-obtained mp3s (I don't really use them myself) and i'll bench the OF first though
17:38:51stripwaxsoap very interesting
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17:41:19stripwaxsoap - if I plot the absolute measurements I get something that looks like that too - hah.
17:42:26stripwaxhowever, mine tails off rapidly below about 3800. Having said that, my peak is also higher - almost 4300 on a full charge
17:45:07soapyours looks even odder when you plot battery voltage instead of battery percentage
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17:47:06stripwaxsoap - it looks real similar to yours - except the very end tail on that run that ran out to 3% charge
17:48:21stripwaxyour plot doesn't have that tail - the rest looks almost identical to mine (except yours lasts longer .. :)
17:48:59soapyea - I clearly misspoke - having trouble with the scale.
17:49:50stripwaxOk, so I need to bench my OF next
17:50:04XavierGrthe rapid discharge should come after the 3,7 volts mark
17:50:19stripwaxXavierGr - in my case 3.8 volts
17:50:48stripwaxMy initial reading is 100mv higher than soap's, however
17:50:57XavierGrI think these batteries hold as much as they can unctil they reach that value, then they discharge pretty quickly
17:51:24soap3.675 is where mine starts to fall fast.
17:52:04soap3.7->3.675 = 48 mins. 3.675->3.5 = 12 mins
17:52:56quaaldamn
17:53:02quaalwhy does charging take so godamn long
17:54:37stripwaxsoap - what reference volume would you use to compare OF battery to rockbox?
17:55:07soaphaha
17:55:30stripwaxI mean, I'm using something that's probably as loud as my usual rockbox listening, but is there a way to see what volume that actually is? (I've not used the OF)
17:55:42stripwaxquaal - ?
17:55:56quaalhi
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17:56:33soapI played a test tone in both firmwares and used audacity to find a matching volume
17:56:42stripwaxgood call!
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18:01:22soaplittle overly anal perhaps
18:01:29stripwaxnot at all
18:04:19stripwaxNow, I actually thought vorbis was more optimised (for rockbox arm, at least) than mp3. Will see what I get OF vs Rockbox on mp3 (I guess in about two day's time :)
18:04:27soapbut my C app programing education is coming slowly (and C system programing education even slower) so I figured least I can do is be the best benchmarker possible! ;)
18:04:38stripwaxheh
18:05:17stripwaxNico_P - hey, happy xmas! Did you get a chance to look at the sliding_puzzle patch yet? :)
18:05:33soapI have my test album encoded in LAME APS and OGG -Q 6.99 - which matches _total_ average bitrate within 1%
18:05:55soapindividual tracks vary, I didn't get anal enough to match track ABRs
18:06:14Nico_Pstripwax: thanks! sorry, no. I just took a quick look at viewports but that's all I've had time to do for some time
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18:10:00stripwaxsoap - ah, and how does your Lame runtime compare to Ogg ?
18:11:34amiconnstripwax: mp3 *used* to be less optimised than vorbis on arm, before tomal's patch went in
18:11:37soaphaven't compared them in 16 months
18:11:42stripwaxOh - I guess the OGG Q 6.99 results are yours :) so LAME APS is actually fractionally more efficient than Vorbis
18:11:44stripwaxright
18:12:12soap5% or less difference then.
18:13:23soapI say "or less" - because while the 100-0 runtime varied by 5%, the 90-10 runtime varied by 1% (which is why I started tracking 90-10 times - I don't understand why the difference)
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18:14:44stripwaxBTW - when you say 'no WPS', have you set the WPS to a blank screen specifically, or just using the default (including peak meters)
18:15:00soapI start playback then go to the main menu.
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18:15:32stripwaxah
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18:16:38soapI do the same in Apple firmware - I know it does not make the most realistic runtimes, but WPS complexity seems like too large of a variable.
18:16:47stripwaxthere is (or was?) a bug where, in some list viewers (file view?), playback couldn't go to the next track (it would just crash), so I avoided doing that. Didn't try main menu though, nice idea. I had peak meters, could be the main difference between yours and mine
18:17:27soapvery well could be.
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18:18:00soapI should do a full set of tests to migrate over from my current system to a more realistic system.
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18:18:12stripwaxI'll do the same (as you) on the Apple firmware then. Otherwise I won't know if my battery is actually degraded
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18:19:24soapI have been (pleasantly) surprised by how little my battery has degraded over time, and how it is /still/ lasting longer than Apple initially claimed.
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18:20:54soap7% capacity loss over a year and a half of heavy use is amazing, IMHO.
18:24:51stripwaxsoap - ok, when I set the OF playing and then bring up the menu (and leave it alone), after a minute or so it goes back to the Apple wps-equivalent screen. what trick am I missing?
18:25:18soapoops - does it?
18:25:27soaplol - I've never looked that long.
18:25:30stripwaxyep, unless we have different OF versions too :)
18:25:35soapHole #1 in my methodology.
18:25:38stripwaxha!
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18:25:45soapI gotta go.
18:25:49Mardoxxcool!
18:25:51stripwaxsee ya
18:25:56parafincan i control wheel scroll speed in ipod 5.5g? it's too sensitive for me
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18:38:18Anarchitecthullo
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18:40:28Anarchitectis there any kind of last.fm support via rockbox?
18:40:36parafinwhy haven't patches #5855 and #4840 commited? it's been really a while and they work fine.
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18:40:58alienbiker99Anarchitect its in the system menu i think
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18:41:07Anarchitectholy cow, there is :o
18:41:24Anarchitectthanks, I'll check it out. I was hesitant to finalize my upgrading to rockbox, but I'll check it out
18:41:25Anarchitectthanks
18:41:39krazykitAnarchitect, check the wiki to find out how to submit the .scrobbler.log
18:42:00Anarchitectthanks- I tried searching for last.fm
18:42:07Anarchitectnow it's there
18:42:10Anarchitectbut anyway, cheers :D
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18:45:41krazykitAnarchitect, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog
18:45:49Anarchitectyup, thanks a bunch
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18:46:13AnarchitectI'm pretty psyched about getting rockbox working, should be awesome
18:46:19Mardoxx/r/ update on zen vision m?
18:47:23krazykitMardoxx, please use real words, and check the New Ports forum
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18:47:57Mardoxx/r/ is the *chan image board for requests >_<
18:48:24krazykitplease read the guidelines. they require you to use real words, not internet-speak.
18:48:28Anarchitectwell not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words
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19:00:44Buschelparafin: too sensible before acceleration starts?
19:01:29parafinyes
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19:01:44Buschelcan you build your own software?
19:02:31parafini can change it in source, but i rather want some patch to make it configurable
19:02:40Buschelif so, enlarge WHEEL_SENSITIVITY in button-wheelclick.c
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19:04:08parafinok, thanx for the tip
19:04:12Buschelparafin: right now 5G will use 96/4 = 24 itemscrolls per rotation, for nano 96/6 = 16 is used
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19:05:18parafinit's most annoying in text viewer, because i scroll two pages instead of one very often
19:06:09parafinand it's hard to scroll back on right page, text viewer is somewhat slow
19:06:21Anon-E-MooseI'm quite new to the rockbox scene and I was wondering whom I could report the bugs I found
19:06:41Anon-E-Mooseto whom*
19:07:16Anon-E-Mooseparafin - I had a Creative Zen Micro that did that, I know it's not even close to the same thing but I feel your pain.
19:08:28krazykitAnon-E-Moose, there's the bug tracker, of course. i think the IRC guidelines have some information on how to properly make sure it's a reproducable bug
19:09:03Anon-E-Moosekrazykit - Thanks. I'm going to get lunch, family's leaving without me. I'll be back in a bit
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19:14:17Mardoxx[17:48:29] <Anarchitect> well not everybody here runs around saying 'moar' and 'sauce' and more offensive words
19:14:18MardoxxI do
19:14:20Mardoxxlawl
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19:51:43MichaelDAHello all. The Rockbox Wiki page said to join this channel, introduce myself and request write permissions. I have some codec timing info and FM presets to contribute.
19:57:25Anarchitectis it normal that my ipod says "commiting database x/9" for the first few minutes after I boot it up?
19:57:28bertrikHi MichaelDA, I could add you to the wiki users with change permission although I'm not a core developer. The core developers may just not be reading this channel right now.
19:57:45karashataAnarchitect, it does that when it's made database updates
19:57:59Anarchitectoh ok
19:58:22stripwaxAnarchitect - that will happen if you have Automatic database updates enabled *and* you've added new music to your ipod, or whenever you (manually) update the database
19:58:25krazykitbertrik, you don't need to be a core dev. just wiki write access.
19:58:29krazykitMichaelDA, what is your wikiname?
19:58:44bertrikok, but even I could, I don't know if I should
19:59:11AnarchitectI just initialized my database, so it figures
19:59:15Anarchitectanyway, my last question:
19:59:23Anarchitectfor now
19:59:28MichaelDAKrazykit: I'm MichaelAndrew
19:59:35Anarchitectis there anyway I can make rockbox ignore the "the" in front of many artistnames?
19:59:47karashatathere is at least one patch on the tracker
19:59:50Anarchitecte.g. "the Flaming Lips", I'd rather see them at F than at The
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20:00:27karashataI'm not sure what tracker number, but if you search for "ignore "the"" in the tracker search you should find it
20:00:52bertrikkrazykit: are you adding him, or should I do it?
20:01:12stripwaxkarashata/Anarchitect - you might want to read this for more info http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14521.msg108754
20:01:22krazykitbertrik, i got it
20:02:09Anarchitectallight, thankyou
20:02:16krazykitMichaelDA, there you are. make sure to check out the formatting help for twiki if you're having trouble :)
20:02:23stripwaxthe "use sort tags" patch would do this nicely but hasn't been completed yet
20:03:15stripwaxI wonder if there's a way to do this in a 'free' kind of way using the tagnavi config, however
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20:03:58MichaelDAkrazykit: Thanks much.
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20:45:52Nico_Plinuxstb: hi! nice job on viewports :)
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20:49:51linuxstbNico_P: Thanks. I struggled a bit with the wps parser, but I got there in the end...
20:50:25Nico_Pyeah, quite a lot of changes... I went through quickly
20:51:10linuxstbamiconn: I just test-compiled with only the firmware/ part of my viewports patch (i.e. not the wps changes), and it's 952 bytes for the ipod color.
20:51:28Nico_Plinuxstb: is there anything preventing the vp size from being dynamic?
20:52:11Nico_Phow much is it with apps/ too?
20:54:26linuxstbThe apps/ was another 1KB or so, I haven't checked the current version.
20:54:33Nico_Pok
20:55:15linuxstbThe way I've implemented viewports in the wps, they can't be made dynamic (the tags are just read once, and not stored), but I guess they could be...
20:55:55Nico_Pbut in other code, they could be resized without a problem, couldn't they?
20:58:15Nico_Phmm nevermind I should go
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20:59:29quaaluh
20:59:42quaalhow long does it take for rockbox to make the charge go up
20:59:52quaalthe ipod video was connected and charging for hours
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21:00:01quaaljust disconnected and now it says 27%
21:00:03quaalkeeps going up
21:00:06quaal1% at a time
21:01:16linuxstbNico_P: (for the logs now...) Viewports can't really be resized dynamically because of the scrolling lines - I think you would need to stop the scrolling lines, change the viewports position/size and then draw the scrolling lines again.
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21:03:08Anon-E-Moosequaal - I noticed that it uses a lot of energy
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21:03:19quaalAnon-E-Moose, what. rockbox in general?
21:03:24Anon-E-MooseYeah
21:03:33quaalhmm
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21:03:43Anon-E-MooseMy iPod colour is freaking out now
21:03:51quaalthis whole counting up thing to get the final charge is kinda annoying
21:03:54Anon-E-MooseThe hdd spins extremely hard trying to do the simplist thing
21:04:01quaalit must be using some kind of processing to figure it out
21:04:12Anon-E-MooseAre you using a dock or just plugging into the computer?
21:04:20quaalall i have is the usb cable
21:04:21fughidabowithey all - I just loaded the latest build on my 4th Gen Gray IPod and it is no longer getting past the "Rockbox loaded" bootloader
21:04:29fughidabowitI cannot even load the Apple OS
21:04:32Anon-E-MooseHave you had problems with it before, charging?
21:04:59fughidabowitits just stuck on the bootloader screen and won't continue
21:05:02Anon-E-Moosefughidabowit - Center, menu. Hold, restarts
21:05:07quaalAnon-E-Moose, nope when it had apple firmware i just plug it in for a while and unplug
21:05:11quaaland it told me it was fully charged
21:05:13Anon-E-Moosehold it, not set the hold switch :|
21:05:28fughidabowitYeah I can restart it that way as many times as I want - but it still gets stuck at the same place
21:05:31Anon-E-Moosequaal - How old is it?
21:05:40quaallooks like its stopped at 37%
21:05:41quaalweak.
21:05:44Anon-E-Moosefughidabowit - Then I'd say it's not going to work :\
21:05:54quaalAnon-E-Moose, 1.5yrs
21:06:00Anon-E-MoosePossibly a bug with your iPod, possibly a bug in the code
21:06:03quaaloh, 38 now
21:06:11Anon-E-Moosequaal - They _do_ lose charge, you know...
21:06:26quaalAnon-E-Moose, uhhh
21:06:33Anarchitectbut that would be a pretty instant chargeloss, I reckon
21:06:34quaallosing != gaining
21:06:34Anon-E-MooseThat's probably a decent factor, since the algorithms changed
21:06:35fughidabowitMoose: Is there any way to get it into 'usb mode' so that I can clean up this ipod? (I have been using rockbox on this for a while now)
21:06:41quaalits going UP
21:06:42quaalnow DOWN
21:07:06Anon-E-Moosefughidabowit - Plug into the computer, load iTunes, hit the 'oh shi-' button
21:07:17Anon-E-MooseAlso known as 'reload iPod software'
21:07:29fughidabowitmoose: Even if it doesn't detect that the device has been plugged in?
21:07:41pixelmafughidabowit: menu+select to restart and the select+play as soon as it restarts - should get you in disk mode manually
21:07:44Anon-E-MooseWhatdya mean doesn't detect?
21:07:47fughidabowitok
21:07:56fughidabowitthat's what i wanted (disk mode) :)
21:07:58Anon-E-MooseAs long as it shows up under 'my computer'
21:08:18Anon-E-Moosequaal - I think your iPod needs a dose of hammer.
21:08:35Anon-E-MooseApply directly to screen, twice daily for a week.
21:08:46Anon-E-MooseShould clear it right up
21:08:49fughidabowityay thanks Pixelma & Moose :) I can see my ipod now
21:08:50stripwaxipods charge better and faster in the apple firmware, not rockbox
21:08:52pixelmafughidabowit: do you know how old your bootloader is?
21:08:56stripwaxdon't use a hammer
21:08:58fughidabowitpixelma: VERY old :-D
21:09:19fughidabowitpixelma: I wasn't aware a new bootloader was out...so i broke my ipod heh
21:09:40pixelmafughidabowit: that could be the root of the problem then
21:10:24fughidabowitpixelma: yep - is there an easy way of updating the bootloader? (I could just RTM but since you guys are so helpful...)
21:10:48Anon-E-MooseCan't you just run the updater?
21:11:09fughidabowitlol there's an updater?
21:11:10stripwaxquaal - try charging after booting into the original firmware (then reboot to rockbox after it's charged). Rockbox (currently) doesn't charge very well *while* rockbox is running
21:11:20Anon-E-MooseAs in, go to the site and getting it again, but latest..
21:11:36Anon-E-MooseIt seems like the simplist solution, so it's probably not the best...
21:11:37fughidabowityeah well I have the latest .rockbox - but my bootloader is *old*
21:11:49stripwaxfughidabowit - can you run rbutil to update the bootloader?
21:12:00linuxstbOr just ipodpatcher...
21:12:09pixelmait should be easier to install a new one, you'll find instructions in the manual (almost the same as the first install so you'll find it in the installation chapter)
21:12:15quaalstripwax, ughh
21:12:23fughidabowityeah I'll try to find that rbutil file
21:13:16quaalwhere do i set the time
21:13:23stripwaxhuh?
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21:14:52fughidabowitis the "Smart installation" the one I want to update it?
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21:17:03stripwaxjust click on the install bootloader button if you just want to install the bootloader..
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21:18:10fughidabowitsweet
21:18:15fughidabowiteverything works again!
21:18:24fughidabowitand wow....it seems faster than before
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21:48:37AloneaI didn't see anything anywhere on viewing bmps. I see the jpeg viewer, but nothing to view bmps.
21:50:49bertrikAFAIK there is no bmp viewer, but I think you can open a bmp in rockpaint
21:51:17Aloneabertrik: tried. didn't work.
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21:51:48Aloneabertrik: says its incompatible
21:52:30Aloneabertrik: odd how I can view a bmp as my backdrop or album art, but not just as a picture.
21:52:58bertrikhmmm, incompatible, opening in rockpaint works fine here
21:53:35bertriki do it by selecting the file in the file browser, then long select to open the context menu and then open with... rockpaint
21:53:46linuxstbI think Rockpaint is limited to bmps the size of the screen. Maybe there are other limitations as well though...
21:54:00Aloneabertrik: the pic is the size of the screen. exactly.
21:54:39Aloneabertrik: and 100 by 100 album art doesn't work either.
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21:56:10bertrikoh, I never tried big bmp's, 100x100 album art worked fine for me last time I tried
21:56:43bertrikI'm using the plain&simple theme now, with bigger AA of 158x158
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21:57:47Alonealinuxstb: guessing there are other limitations cause I can't get it to load small bmps either. I just find it odd how there is a jpeg viewer, but no bmp one when you would think that would be a whole lot easier. bah.
21:57:52linuxstbAlonoea: Looking at the code, rockpaint seems to use the same bmp reading function as the backdrop code uses. So if a bmp works in one, it should work in the other.
21:58:31linuxstbWhat is the exact error message you see? Are you sure it's not talking about the rockpaint plugin itself being incompatible?
21:58:32Alonealinuxstb: theoretically, but its not here. I can't load a picture that I am using for a backdrop.
21:59:04Alonealinuxstb: lemme see
21:59:29Alonealinuxstb: ah. its saying rockpaint is...odd. I pressed select earlier when it wanted to reboot.
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22:01:32Anon-E-MooseHm. I plugged my ipod colour into the dock and it just displays the menus and such, does that mean that it's charging?
22:01:48*Anon-E-Moose is used to it just showing the apple logo and being innaccesable for the most part
22:02:23Alonealinuxstb: actually, now that I think of it, when the screen asks to reboot and you press select, I have never actually seen it reboot.
22:02:34linuxstbAre you on a gigabeat?
22:02:38Alonealinuxstb: yes
22:03:29linuxstbThen yes, "rolo" isn't implemented on the gigabeat - the feature that lets Rockbox start running another version of itself (it doesn't reboot). So that never works.
22:03:59Alonealinuxstb: ah. well, it might be helpful if the screen said that then. ^_^_
22:04:32linuxstbscorche: I'm wondering (assuming viewports get committed in the very near future), whether there's still a need for "unsupported builds" section on rockbox-themes.org. The only patch I can think of which won't be included will be multi-fonts.
22:04:45linuxstbAlonea: It would be more helpful if someone implemented that feature...
22:05:00Alonealinuxstb: indeed.
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22:07:06scorchelinuxstb: mind if i get back to that in a bit?...in an OLPC conference call
22:07:32linuxstbscorche: Sure, logbot is always here, even if I'm not...
22:08:34Alonealinuxstb: is there an easy way to code bmps to open in rockpaint when you select them?
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22:10:51linuxstbWhat happens now when you select a bmp?
22:11:08Aloneanothing at all
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22:11:50linuxstbThat's odd - looking at viewers.config, rockpaint is configured as a viewer for bmp files. So I'm not sure what's preventing it.
22:12:22stripwaxwhat is the question exactly? rockpaint opens bitmaps when selected from open with (or, at least, used to .. )
22:12:40Alonealinuxstb: me neither.
22:12:58Aloneastripwax: you should be able to just select a bmp and it will load rockpaint
22:13:33Aloneastripwax: instead of having to do open with all the time.
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22:13:50*linuxstb wonders why ".bmp" has VOICE_EXT_WPS in filetypes.h
22:14:38Alonealinuxstb: though, it would be nicer if the jpeg viewer did both types so like in a slideshow you could have jpeg or bmp.
22:15:05linuxstbSure, a unified image viewer has often been requested, but never written....
22:16:05Alonealinuxstb: I would write if I had a clue. though gimmie a few months and I might have one. I am going to take a class on C and then maybe I might be able to.
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22:18:01Alonealinuxstb: then again, I might just get bored today and frustrate myself for a few hours.
22:19:29linuxstbWriting a bmp viewer would be (relatively) trivial if you limit yourself to bitmaps the size of the LCD.
22:21:05Alonealinuxstb: yeah. but I will make it difficult on myself. bad me...java has made me lazy.
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22:21:29linuxstbCan anyone (pixelma, rasher?) explain how the VOICE_EXT_* strings are used? I'm confused why (for example), ".mpa" is voiced as "audio".
22:21:41soaphelp.me.spam.me@gmail.com's username really freaks up the column widths in every forum he posts in.
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22:22:18linuxstbsoap: I agree, that's been annoying me since he/she appeared...
22:24:10Aloneawill brb
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22:45:54soapHow about a New-Year's-Holiday forum cleanup?
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22:46:54soapEverybody with the ability do a quick "Advanced Search" for topics containing "MOVED:" started by themselves.
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22:47:19soapAnd aged more than 14(?) days old. Then go through and delete them all.
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22:48:04linuxstbsoap: Sounds like fun ;)
22:49:17soapoh, PS: Uncheck the "To Be Deleted" board. (or not)
22:50:06linuxstbHmm, so no way to mass-delete, we'll need to go into each thread?
22:50:37soapI don't have any such powers (mass delete) - I've been opening each page of search hits into a dozen tabs.
22:52:16soapand Llorean's going to kill me.
22:52:37soapI slipped and moved 21 threads into "Administration / Forum business" by mistake.
22:54:00soapnevermind - I do have the power to move from that board, I assumed I didn't.
22:54:44scorchei think experts are inline with developers now
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22:57:26RogerBaconweird
22:57:54RogerBaconmy ipod refuse to boot
22:58:04RogerBaconi let it uncharged for 2-3 day ...
22:58:10RogerBaconbattery dead ?
22:59:19soapmost likely. Did you try the "proper" hard reset trick? Said trick being: 1-Toggle the hold switch to the on (red) and back to the off (white) position.
22:59:45soap2 - Press and hold "Menu"+"Select" for 60 seconds with no finger movement.
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23:00:21soap3 - if the iPod doesn't respond, plug into charge (preferably a wall or cigarette lighter charger) for 12 hours, then goto step 1.
23:01:17soap(The "Menu"+"Select" combo is for the 5th gen and Nano - and perhaps the 4th(?) older iPods use a different button combo.)
23:01:25AnarchitectI'm off
23:01:26Anarchitecttata
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23:03:54amiconnsoap: Menu+Select is valid for all PP502x ipods
23:04:48amiconnG1..G3 have hard reset on Menu+Play
23:05:21soapWhich I believe is an impossible combination on the later iPods, as well.
23:05:40amiconnyes, that's obviously why apple had to change it
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23:06:18amiconnSame goes for the edm combo: G1..G3 have it on Left+Right, later ipods on Select+Play
23:07:20RogerBaconsoap : tryed but didn't do anything, will plug it in the wall charger
23:07:22RogerBaconthanks for the info
23:07:36salty-horsewhen trying to play audio on the sansa, I get an error: "Undefined instruction at <address>". is that a known problem with the trunk?
23:08:14linuxstbAre you running a very old bootloader?
23:08:40*Alonea hugs person who fixed bookmarks for text viewer
23:09:21salty-horselinuxstb, I think not. last time I upgraded was a month ago
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23:10:21salty-horseand the error only occurs on the player. plugins work fine
23:10:39soaplinuxstb, what sort of viewport testing do you want to see? You had mentioned WPS writing - just try to abuse it and see if it breaks? Or are you looking for something else?
23:10:41salty-horseshould I try reinstalling the bootloader?
23:10:54RogerBaconthe backlight flash for about 1sec and turn off
23:12:19linuxstbsoap: Yes, I guess just experimenting with the WPS.
23:14:05RogerBaconany news concerning the ipod classics ?
23:14:53scorchenope
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23:16:48BigBambisoap: Good idea on the clean up - I'll have a shufti
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23:17:39MrKeunerhi, will I be more impressed with rockbox on a sansa than on an ipod nano 2nd gen.?
23:17:47linuxstbsalty-horse: It can't hurt. Also try checking your disk for errors (with chkdsk or similar).
23:18:03linuxstbDefinitely, as Rockbox doesn't work on the nano 2nd gen...
23:18:31linuxstbBut it also doesn't work on the very latest Sansas - you need to make sure you buy a "version 1" e200/c200.
23:18:49MrKeunernot an e250?
23:19:09linuxstbe250 version1, yes. e250 v2, no.
23:19:33salty-horselinuxstb, can you help me with a name of a similar linux tool
23:19:44linuxstbfsck.vfat
23:19:59AloneaMrKeuner: go on your sansa under info and what is the version of the firmware?
23:20:02MrKeunerI had installed rockbox on some version of ipod nano and was not impressed with the battery time, other than that I had liked it. Will I like sansa on e250 version 1?
23:20:27BigBambiSansa (kn common with all portalplayer device) is a little down on battery time
23:20:37AloneaMrKeuner: if it says 1. something then its one, 3. something, then its two if I remember correctly.
23:20:40Lloreanscorche: I think experts actually have slightly more power than developers, actually. Mostly because "Developers" don't need to be concerned (read: spammed) with reported posts and a few other things, so I think I've disabled that.
23:20:53LloreanAny Developers can also be in the "Experts" group, if they want
23:20:56*Llorean isn't here, again.
23:21:20MrKeunerAlonea: version: 01.02.18A
23:21:28scorcheLlorean: oh?...i am not sure if i am in both (i have both badges), but i got the BigBambi is cruel report
23:21:40AloneaMrKeuner: then you are good to go.
23:21:42BigBambiIt's true
23:21:48BigBambiI am cruel
23:22:02*BigBambi heads off to do various evil deeds
23:22:05linuxstbAre you cruel to be kind, or just plain cruel?
23:22:11AloneaMrKeuner: my dad got a sansa for christmas and he loves rockbox a whole lot more than the OF
23:22:19scorchelinuxstb: in the right measure
23:22:20MrKeunercan I reset the sansa hardware at any time. (remove rockbox software and revert to sansa software)?
23:22:30MrKeunerAlonea: I am setting this up for my father as well :)
23:22:31BigBambilinuxstb: Which would you prefer?
23:22:47AloneaMrKeuner: yes. you hold down the left key on startup. I had to set up my dads as well/
23:23:04linuxstbBigBambi: No place for kindness in this world..
23:23:10BigBambiTrue
23:23:19BigBambiThe meek shall inherit NOTHING
23:23:28AloneaMrKeuner: i dont like how sansa is like ipod and to find music you do it by artist, album, etc, instead of a file explorer.
23:24:05AloneaMrKeuner: prefer being able to organize my music how I want to, not forced to.
23:24:11MrKeunerAlonea: yeah! same here, and it cannot read the album tag either, even if I go out of my way and type every each tag!
23:25:03MrKeunerI tought my dad to use sound juicer to create mp3s but sansa firmware cannot read the tags.
23:25:09AloneaMrKeuner: album tag or album art tag?
23:25:16MrKeuneralbum name
23:25:23AloneaMrKeuner: ah. id3 tags then.
23:25:48AloneaMrKeuner: I also like how rockbox reads most song formats, including flac.
23:26:05MrKeunerdo I need an older version of id3 tag system for sansa firmware?
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23:26:37salty-horselinuxstb, this is expected in the disk scan, right? "There are differences between boot sector and its backup."
23:27:10AloneaMrKeuner: have no idea. it should read the latest...*shrugs*. You can right click the file under windows, then goto summary(click on advanced on that screen). if it says the album there then sansa should read it.
23:27:19linuxstbsalty-horse: I'm not sure, but it doesn't sound expected to me - I would have thought a backup should be the same as the original...
23:27:42MrKeunerAlonea: I do not have windows but gnome nautilus reads it well
23:28:02salty-horseI thought it was the sansa original vs rockbox versions
23:28:03MrKeunerAlonea: or any player in my linux box
23:28:04billeniumi have a big problem. Rockbox can't play a good portion of my songs. When i click on the song name it says "No File!"... if anyone could please help, it would be much appreciated!
23:28:11AloneaMrKeuner: good. linux is our friend. hmm...dunno whats up with sansa then.
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23:28:54MrKeunerAlonea: you said left key right? so menu+left key should be pressed when sansa is off?
23:29:13linuxstbbillenium: What kind of files are they?
23:29:23billeniummusic files
23:29:23billeniummp3
23:29:33billeniumthey worked for a while
23:29:35Mouser_Xbillenium: What device do you have? If it's a Gigabeat, and you updated Rockbox, did you power down, and then reboot?
23:29:37billeniumbut all of a sudden stopped
23:29:45billeniumits an ipod nano
23:29:53AloneaMrKeuner: yes. though you dont have to do at same time. as soon as the screen pops on on startup, hold down left.
23:29:53Mouser_XAh.
23:30:12billeniumits my own build too, but it worked for like 2 weeks after i compiled it, then stopped.
23:30:14AloneaMouser_X: hello dear.
23:30:44Mouser_Xbillenium: Have you tried rebooting anyway? I've sometimes had that problem, and rebooting fixed it.
23:30:54billeniumiyes
23:30:59Mouser_XDang...
23:31:00billeniumi rebooted it a couple times
23:31:02MrKeunerAlonea: I cannot do it, can it be any other key by any chance?
23:32:24BigBambibillenium: Could you try with the current build?
23:32:32AloneaMrKeuner: maybe, but that's what did it last night. you have installed rockbox already right and you want to load the OF? if so, then turn off player, turn on, hold down left key until it changes over.
23:32:35billeniumi like my build better o.o
23:32:41billeniumbut i guess i could
23:32:57BigBambiSure, but we need to check whether it is a rockbox problem or a your patches problem
23:33:04billeniumkk
23:33:08MrKeunerAlonea: oh, I haven't installed rockbox yet, so this feature comes with rockbox? OK then
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23:33:17billeniumshould i just replace the .rockbox file
23:33:24BigBambiNo, all of it
23:33:25billeniumor should i unboot loader it
23:33:35AloneaMrKeuner: yes, I thought you wanted to know how to get into the OF for some reason after you install rockbox.
23:33:46BigBambibillenium: Are you using the standard bootloader?
23:33:57billeniumi believe so
23:34:00MrKeunerAlonea: yes but I was trying recovery before doing any changes :)
23:34:01AloneaMrKeuner: OF is original firmware, or the sansa firmware your player came with.
23:34:11billeniumi never changed the boot loader before
23:34:14billeniumonly the .rockbox folder
23:34:16BigBambiIn that case just unzip a new build overwriting everything
23:34:27billeniumah
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23:34:30billeniumsounds good
23:34:33BigBambiIf you just replace rockbox.ipod you will have problems
23:35:03billeniumoh also, my regular iPod (in regular ipod firmware mode) has the same problem.
23:35:07billeniumjust wanted to throw that out there
23:35:08AloneaMrKeuner: o...k..no need to recover your sansa. rockbox is quite safe. it just tampers with the bootloader, not firmware. I also suggest installing rockbox with the manual method.
23:35:09BigBambiaha!
23:35:18billeniumteehee
23:35:19BigBambibillenium: With the same files?
23:35:22billeniumyupyup
23:35:33BigBambiHave you tried them on a PC?
23:35:35billeniumwell i havent tested EVERy single one yet
23:35:37billeniumbut most of them
23:35:40billeniumill try now
23:35:47BigBambiCool
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23:35:53BigBambiSounds like they are corrupted
23:36:02BigBambiProbably a file system problem?
23:36:08MrKeunerAlonea: don't I need to replace bootloader in sansa, just as I did in ipod?
23:36:08BigBambiAre you Windows or linux?
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23:36:27MrKeunerAlonea: just unzip rockbox.zip that's enough?
23:36:31billeniumLinux
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23:36:55billeniumi really hope they arent corrupted
23:36:58BigBambiYou could also try a fsck.vfat
23:37:05billeniumfsck.vfat?
23:37:06BigBambiIf they are to check the filesystem
23:37:14BigBambiIt is like chkdsk in windows
23:37:17billeniummy songs arent saved anywhere
23:37:17Mouser_XMrKeuner: There's a manual. It will tell you how to install both Rockbox, *and* the bootloader.
23:37:21Mouser_XBoth need to be done.
23:37:27BigBambibillenium: Fingers crossed then
23:37:28AloneaMrKeuner: there is a difference between bootloader and firmware. if you have read the manual then you would know how to install. the sansapatcher.exe will do the bootloader and then you jsut unzip the rockbox.
23:37:33billenium=(
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23:37:38billeniumso i type this into the termnal?
23:37:55BigBambibillenium: Just try playing a song on the PC first, but then yes
23:38:02BigBambispecifying mount point too
23:38:05billeniumi dont have the mp3 codec =P
23:38:12BigBambihehe
23:38:15billeniumbrb
23:38:17billeniumswitching to XP
23:38:21BigBambiOK
23:38:21AloneaMrKeuner: the manual should tell you everything you need to know on installation and most of the features. wiki should have everything else.
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23:39:17MrKeunerAlonea: all right thank you
23:39:23MrKeunerMouser_X: thank you
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23:39:36billeniumXPokay
23:39:37billeniumXPxp
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23:41:16billeniumXPwow
23:41:17billeniumXPbig problem
23:41:36billeniumXPthe songs arent in my K:\iPod_Control\Music\ folder...
23:41:46billeniumXPonly the ones that play are inthere
23:42:21linuxstbWhere are they then?
23:42:22billeniumXPTHanks bigbambi
23:42:25billeniumXPthere gone
23:42:28billeniumXPdeleted i suppose
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23:42:35linuxstbAh, you were using the database?
23:42:38stripwaxis your (rockbox) database out of sync with your actual filesystem?
23:42:45BigBambibilleniumXP: Were you databasing?
23:42:50*linuxstb forgets Rockbox has a database...
23:42:52stripwaxand did you sync with (itunes) database at some point
23:42:55*BigBambi too
23:42:59BigBambiI never use it
23:43:04billeniumXPumm
23:43:06billeniumXPyes im using databse
23:43:08BigBambiI enabl;ed it for the first time to look at pictureflow
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23:43:21billeniumXPi think im never going to use it again though
23:43:23BigBambibilleniumXP: Is autoupdate + load to ram turned in?
23:43:29BigBambi*on
23:43:37billeniumXPBigBambi: my songs arent even on my iPod
23:43:40AloneaBigBambi: only time I use it is when I loose my memory: "damn...where did I put that song again?"
23:44:05BigBambibilleniumXP: Yep, but the database thought they were, so it wasn't updating properly
23:44:13billeniumXPkk
23:44:15billeniumXPthis sucks
23:44:19stripwaxjust update the database
23:44:21billeniumXPi lost 50 percent of my songs
23:44:34BigBambibizarre
23:44:38stripwaxdo you use itunes?
23:44:41Mouser_XOuch...
23:44:44billeniumXPnot usually
23:44:50*BigBambi whispers back up
23:44:55*BigBambi hides
23:45:01billeniumXPthere backed up ony my dads computer
23:45:08billeniumXPoh@
23:45:09billeniumXPhaha
23:45:11stripwaxcould you, at some point, have used itunes and itunes resync'd your ipod and removed music in the process??
23:45:11BigBambiOK, so annoying but not fatal
23:45:12billeniumXPthats probably it
23:45:13Mouser_XIf I lost 50% of my songs, I'd be out 30,000+ files... If those were SIDs, I wouldn't care...
23:45:35billeniumXPhaha... when i copied them onto my dads computer, i didnt copy, i cut and pasted i guess...
23:45:43Mouser_XOoops.
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23:45:45billeniumXPhehehe...
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23:46:21AloneaI would have a fit if I lost half my music...probably need to be sent to ye ole crazy house
23:46:28BigBambiMe too
23:46:43billeniumXPit was more than half
23:46:51billeniumXPlike all my goood songs i listen to every day
23:47:12MrKeuneris there a linux binary of sansapatcher?
23:47:57MrKeunersorry... nevermind
23:48:14AloneaMrKeuner: ^__^. just saw it in manual?
23:48:30MrKeuneryes :)
23:49:46AloneabilleniumXP: that would make any person unbalanced. at least its not gone permanently.
23:50:06billeniumXPyeah
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23:51:33*Alonea wonders how to make computer compile faster
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23:55:18Mouser_XAlonea: Are you compiling with cygwin, vmware, or Linux?
23:55:29AloneaMouser_X: linux
23:55:33Mouser_X(The latter 2 should be pretty close to each other in speed.)
23:55:48MrKeunerAlonea: any theme recommendations for an old guy?
23:55:56Mouser_XWell then, to my knowledge, the best way to get it to go faster is to get a newer, better, computer.
23:56:08AloneaMrKeuner: Cassette. *grins* my dad got a kick out of it.
23:56:12Mouser_XMrKeuner: Something with large text?
23:56:18MrKeunerMouser_X: yes
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23:56:41imulatorhello
23:57:22AloneaMouser_X: I wish I had the cash. this laptop isn't too bad I guess. gig of ram, amd turion 64 processor. lets not mention the video card...
23:58:32*Mouser_X needs new computer hardware as well.
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