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#rockbox log for 2008-01-07

00:00:00 Quit lyon8_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:01:24Nico_Plike when?
00:02:07amiconnLike, when 'mount' and the rest of the OS disagree about the codepage
00:02:20amiconnSee yesterday's log for an example
00:02:32 Quit soap (Remote closed the connection)
00:02:34preglowyeah, can suck there, i had to force utf sometimes
00:02:40preglowutf-8, at that
00:03:02preglowbut that only happens when messing with ntfs and other non-ext file systems
00:03:21amiconnYes, e.g. vfat
00:03:46Nico_Pi.e. windows filesystems
00:03:57Nico_Por are others affected too?
00:04:06preglowprobably
00:04:16preglowi don't know which facilities file systems have of indicating char set
00:04:38amiconnWell, it's not really the filesystem which causes this problem
00:04:42BagderI'm quite sure there are similar problems on all sorts of filesystems
00:04:45 Join Cptnodegard [0] (n=none@unaffiliated/cptnodegard)
00:04:51amiconnvfat and ntfs are both *always* ucs-2 internally
00:05:15Cptnodegardthe sony DAPs run on linux and the source codes are available. is that useful info for anyone in rockbox?
00:05:32amiconnBut if the linux filesystem driver for either fs thinks the os uses a different codepage than it acually does -> boom
00:05:37preglowCptnodegard: it's useful info for anyone who wants to port rockbox to sony daps
00:05:41BagderCptnodegard: is it really the full sources?
00:05:58BagderCptnodegard: the companies tend to use binary drivers to avoid releasing anything fun...
00:06:16Cptnodegardi think so, because of GNU
00:06:19preglowamiconn: when would a file system driver think the os uses a different char set than it does?
00:06:27BagderCptnodegard: then read up on the subject and rethink
00:06:35Cptnodegardhttp://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/notice.html - click next, then "network audio system"
00:06:45Cptnodegardlol
00:07:50Cptnodegardi have no idea about such, but didnt hurt to ask ^^
00:07:50 Join soap [50] (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap)
00:07:50amiconnE.g. when mounting the fs before init sets the codepage. Had that on a linux box with ntfs-3g mounted via fstab...
00:07:50BagderCptnodegard: well, nobody is working with Rockbox for a sony player afaik so this isn't really an urgent matter
00:07:50amiconnHad to force utf-8 in fstab to make it work properly
00:07:55 Quit ender` (" If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for tomorrow morning, sleep late.")
00:08:14preglowamiconn: wtf? i wouldn't expect fuse to work at all before init is run
00:08:17Cptnodegardoh well, maybe someone will be encouraged if the source is there :p
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00:08:31preglowor, there really isn't a reason it shouldn't...
00:08:33darkslategreyhi
00:08:35darkslategreyumm
00:08:36Cptnodegardthey are nice players, so would be interesting
00:08:40darkslategreyi have a problem w/ rockdoom
00:08:47BigBambidarkslategrey: just ask
00:09:02BagderCptnodegard: based on a quick glance on the listings they provide, they contain nothing interesting
00:09:03darkslategreyi cant use addon wads for some reason
00:09:16Cptnodegardoh :/ ah well, worth a shot
00:09:32Bagderyeah...
00:09:33darkslategreywhen i try it displays the normal text and then stops, the bottom line is "you cannot -file with the sh"
00:09:40darkslategreyand that's where it stops
00:09:51darkslategreythen it displays more text and returns to the plugin menu
00:10:37Bagderbusybox, gcc, uboot, linux kernel, glibc etc all just plain tarballs
00:10:52Bagderno drivers, no extra
00:11:30BagderI would suspect they violate GPL for busybox in just about all their players
00:11:37darkslategreyumm
00:11:45darkslategreydoes anyone know what the problem might be?
00:12:07darkslategreyi tried using freedoom but it doesn't even try to load addons it just goes straight to the defaults
00:12:29BigBambidarkslategrey: Personally no, but if someone does they will answer
00:12:37darkslategreykthx
00:13:45stripwaxgood night all
00:13:52BigBambinight
00:14:59LambdaCalculus37Good night.
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00:23:27PaulJamI'm experimenting a bit with viewports and i noticed something: when i put %Cl and %C tags below a line that specifies a viewpot the albumart doesn't show up. is this expected?
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00:26:00pixelmaIIRC linuxstb reported something similar, that the first line after the viewport tag didn't show up... (just read about it here)
00:30:48linuxstbThat should have been fixed a while ago... But that was with normal lines, rather than special lines like %C
00:32:20PaulJamwhen i use %xl and %xd instead of %Cl and %C everythng works as expected. i thought albumart should basically behave the same way as normal images.
00:34:33PaulJamby the way, it's nice that you can even use peakmeters within a viewport.
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00:40:54linuxstbMaybe Nico_P can explain...
00:41:09linuxstbPaulJam: But apart from that, everything seems fine?
00:42:37PaulJami haven't noticed anything else yet.
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00:43:54 Quit ompaul (Client Quit)
00:43:55Nico_PI can't think of any obvious reason why it would do that
00:46:19scorchelinuxstb: we would like to time the new themes site with viewports so as to not have a period where people are fixing themes and then suddenly have to do it all over again...can you let me know when you feel a good time for that would be?...the first commit isnt always a good indication, as things can change quickly for a new implementation...
00:46:25 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:47:38shotofaddsWould it be possible for someone to upload my Cowon D2 patch to the tracker on my behalf? I still can't get into flyspray and that pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/842978) expires tomorrow...
00:48:18shotofaddsthankyou and goodnight :-)
00:48:18PaulJamNico_P, linuxstb: it seems as if the albumart shows up inside the viewport (if it is big enough)
00:48:25 Quit shotofadds ("CGI:IRC")
00:48:37linuxstbPaulJam: Ah, call it a feature then ;)
00:48:43Nico_Phehe
00:49:58linuxstbscorche: How close are you to launching the new site?
00:50:09linuxstbAre the bandwidth issues solved?
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00:50:46scorchelinuxstb: my server is waiting for it...i just need to poke it a bit and solve any php configuration changes/etc i believe
00:51:06preglowwhat site?
00:51:16scorcheeither way, dont feel rushed by anything..
00:51:21linuxstbBut I agree we should wait for viewports before launching the site.
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00:52:20scorches/viewports/viewports to be in a "stable" and a no-major-changes-that-would-break-compatibility-for-a-while state :)
00:52:35PaulJamlinuxstb: another thing i just noticed, the backgroundcolour in the viewport is only applied to lines which actually contain text.
00:52:48LambdaCalculus37I'm off for now... time for food.
00:52:52LambdaCalculus37Good night, all!
00:53:06linuxstbPaulJam: Is that in a theme without a backdrop?
00:53:35PaulJamyes, no backdrop.
00:54:09linuxstbAnd which device?
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00:54:20PaulJamh300 (uisimulator
00:54:53linuxstbThanks, I'll have a look.
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00:55:11scorchepreglow: the "new" themes repository ;)
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00:55:25preglownew rockbox-themes.org
00:55:34linuxstbscorche: Have you thought about whether to host themes for unsupported builds?
00:56:01scorcheor themes.rockbox.org....either way
00:56:01draeathI'm getting a compile error on latest SVN, anyone wanna take a peek?
00:56:26scorchelinuxstb: i plan on waiting a few months to see what the situation is with them and then having another look at it
00:56:27amiconnEh?
00:56:47draeathblowing up in i_video.c
00:56:48draeathhttp://pastebin.com/m289bb96
00:56:52linuxstbscorche: Based on what starting point?
00:57:06amiconnWhy the f... does the e200 try to use the X5 asm??
00:57:42scorchedraeath: we do have http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi , so we are looking at it :)
00:57:49draeathoh :?
00:57:52draeathsorry :D
00:58:00amiconnBlargh, e200, sets CONFIG_LCD to LCD_X5 (!!)
00:58:15scorchelinuxstb: from the time when the site goes live
00:58:55linuxstbscorche: No, I mean will you be hosting unofficial themes?
00:59:40scorchewell, i will be hosting the entire site, so yes
00:59:49DerPapsthehe
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01:01:10 Quit Kamerad ()
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01:03:08draeathamiconn, should CONFIG_LCD be what for the e200?
01:05:18draeathah, files been updated just now in svn, testing
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01:06:24draeathbuild OK. thanks :D
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01:06:42linuxstbamiconn: Wouldn't it be nicer to change CONFIG_LCD in config-e200.h? grep is showing that Doom is the only place that actually checks for LCD_X5...
01:07:42 Quit Cptnodegard ("The odds are good but the goods are odd")
01:07:58draeathamiconn, im loading it on my e200r now
01:09:50draeathtests out OK.
01:09:56draeathack
01:09:58draeathno it didn
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01:10:12draeathon exiting the plugin, Endefined instruction at 0012e864 (0)
01:10:21draeath*Undefined (not Endefined)
01:10:27obosaratoga: oops :)
01:13:02amiconndraeath: Check whether you have voice enabled...
01:13:11saratogaobo: just noticed yours too
01:13:26PaulJamlinuxstb: another thing, if you use peakmeters inside a viewport, then the height of the peakmeter is always that of the user font even if the viewport uses the system font.
01:13:32amiconnDoom has problems when voice is enabled, even though it shouldn't. Nothing to do with my commit(s)
01:13:56saratogai'm going to close yorus since i took the time to write up more
01:14:08obohehe, fair enough :)
01:14:38draeathvoice WAS disabled... checking
01:14:56draeathstill is
01:15:29 Quit obo ("bye")
01:15:36*linuxstb wonders what obo and saratoga are talking about...
01:15:42saratogaalso if anyone talks to shotofadds, ask him why he had trouble with filespray
01:15:56saratogawe both uploaded shotofadds patch at the same instant
01:16:06saratogaso there where two entries
01:16:28draeathamiconn, hmm - didn't die this time but i changed nothing...
01:16:37linuxstbWhy upload it?
01:16:37draeathamiconn, most likely completely unrelated to doom
01:16:57saratogalinuxstb: because its got drivers for the D2, and I don't want those getting lost
01:17:16saratogai can just close it once i find out why he couldn't do it himself
01:18:06Thundercloud_D2?
01:18:34draeathamiconn, actually... since exit this whole thing is extremely slow untill I reboot it...
01:19:12draeathand doesn't shut down, have to do hard-shutdown
01:20:19Thundercloud_Wow I hadn't realised the D2 port had progressed as much as it had
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01:28:04draeathamiconn, anything i can do?
01:28:09draeath(to help)
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01:55:55draeathwell, i'm off. I've reverted to 16006 for now though (i'm scared what doom might do if the ASM is making it run slow and refuse to shut down properly)
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02:06:36preglowslowly unwind
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02:11:46PaulJamlinuxstb: still there? i think i have found another issue with viewports.
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02:17:23eclecticistis there anyway to redress the lagging while playing .flac files?
02:19:41kugelwhy do I get "no rule to make target test_viewports.rock"?
02:21:16krazykiteclecticist, what target?
02:22:42eclecticisttarget?
02:23:08webguest69player
02:23:15eclecticist5g ipod
02:23:29eclecticisti spose its the playback buffer
02:23:38eclecticisti dont have enough stored in ram
02:24:21DerPapstPaulJam: i'm sure he'll read the logs ;-)
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02:24:57PaulJamDerPapst: i guess it's better when i add it to the FS task later.
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02:25:12DerPapstok :-)
02:25:31*DerPapst waves
02:25:40DerPapstgood night all
02:25:44eclecticisti think i recognize you from ipodlinux
02:25:53DerPapstyes, you do
02:26:07eclecticistyou helped hendrixman or something with loading different bin files
02:26:13eclecticistin some topic
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02:26:32DerPapstpossible... i post to much :-P
02:26:33webguest84sup yall
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02:27:34eclecticistmy ipod disk died, got my friends old one, but they changed ipodlinux so much that i can't get it back to how my old one was
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02:28:36DerPapstnah... the installation instructions are the same since linux got ported to the first ipod
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02:28:43DerPapstwhatever :-P
02:28:53DerPapstmeh... 2:30am.. i'll get big problems geting out of bed tomorr... err.. today :-/
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02:29:04DerPapstnight all take 2 :-)
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03:09:11saratogacan anyone tell me about the read_filebuf function in the codec api?
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03:26:09psycho_maniacto reply to a message on the website do i just click on the reply address online?
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03:31:50psycho_maniaci want to be in on the ide to zif connector buy
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03:59:30*psycho_maniac thinks the new cabbie 2.0 theme is getting out of hand
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04:00:08soapwhy is that psycho_maniac?
04:00:09PPPPis there a reverse bootloader for sansa e200?
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04:00:16PPPPi tried looking for it but i couldn't find it..
04:00:35soapPPPP - look in unsupported builds, but Rockbox is never going to have an official way to boot anything but Rockbox first.
04:01:11psycho_maniacIt seems as the theme is never complete. They want to keep adding stuf like viewports (when thats in) I think the theme is good the way it is now, but i could be wrong.
04:01:17PPPPsoap: where would i look for that?
04:01:49soapI think they are doing an excellent job of design-by-committee.
04:02:21psycho_maniacI really would rather see Cabbie the default, but I guess thats not a very popular theme.
04:02:23soapThey started the job without a fully fleshed-out plan - and I think now they are finally comming to grips with all the elements people expect to see.
04:02:46soapI love cabbie - you can see my personal vision of it is quite true to the original, IMHO.
04:03:52psycho_maniacYeah. I use that on my ipod, e200, and gigabeat. I like how plain it is. I dont know what it is about that theme but i Love it.
04:05:26PPPPahh okay i found it:http://e200.digerati1338.googlepages.com/reversebl
04:05:34saratogasoap: I don't think its out of hand, but I'd really like to commit something soon
04:05:43saratogawe can always update it once its commited
04:06:08saratogaat least it'd be nice to get it into builds so that more people look at it and try it on more players
04:06:42soapsorry for suggesting the combined bar ;)
04:06:43psycho_maniacYeah the first thing people say when the get rockbox on there players is "it looks ugly"
04:07:10psycho_maniacI like the combined bar on the sansa and other small screen players, but i think its fine on the larger screens.
04:07:11saratogadid anyone ever create a combined zip?
04:07:43psycho_maniacI think there still on the changing the file names.
04:08:04saratogathat should really happen before anyone works on refining it
04:08:29saratogai'll go ask in the thread which ones need to be renamed
04:09:19psycho_maniacgood idea.
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04:28:08|NSA|i know i am not supposed to ask, but is there a flyspray # for the usb stuff?
04:29:50psycho_maniacUSB stack?
04:30:58|NSA|the thing so you dont have to boot into the original firmware
04:31:01|NSA|probably
04:33:16psycho_maniacdid you try searching flyspray? I dont think there is a number though.
04:34:10|NSA|most of the stuff relates to the charging, i cant find anything about the msd stuff. flyspray search is tnot google quality. its like wikipedia quality
04:35:41psycho_maniaci would wait for some devs to come on then ask.
04:37:57|NSA|they would probably just kick and ban me since its one of those big features that everyone asks about but requires a lot of effort to make, similar to the mpeg seeking, which much to my surprse was recently added. but its really nice and was one of the two things bugging me, now i am down to one :)
04:40:00safetydan|NSA|: the dev working on it seems to be busy with other things lately. It'll happen when it's done.
04:42:44scorche|NSA|: why would you be kicked and banned for asking one question that many ask?
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05:03:34|NSA|scorche: i thought i read in either the forums or faq that we arent allowed to ask about usb stuff beause the devs were sick of answering "when its ready", similar to above
05:04:00scorcheyes, but that warrants a scolding...not near a kick/ban
05:04:48LloreanAlso, we ask that you not ask the status, or when it's due.
05:05:09LloreanIf you can't find it in the tracker after searching, then it's probably okay to say "I've searched for USB stack in the tracker and checked the whole list and none are it, any hints?"
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05:06:41|NSA|ok I've searched (using the wikipedia relevency level of results for "usb stack" in flyspray) for USB stack in the tracker and checked the whole list and none are it, any hints?
05:07:02safetydanWasn't whatever was in the tracker committed already?
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05:07:35Lloreansafetydan: I think so.
05:07:58LloreanI was just saying that asking that sort of question is different than "when will it be done, and how far along is it?"
05:07:58crzyboysterWow, I just logged in when a huge conversation about Cabbie 2.0 was over...
05:09:13|NSA|Llorean: thats what i did ask, i asked for a bug number so i could just keep track of progres there from the comments
05:09:36Llorean|NSA|: I know, I was merely clarifying on why it was not a "I'll likely get banned" type of situation
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05:10:33saratoga|NSA|: if you want to know more about the USB stack, search for Zagor's posts about it last october or november
05:11:06|NSA|last as in 2007 or 2006?
05:11:11saratoga2007
05:11:26saratogahowever, he never got far enough to work on MSD
05:13:07|NSA|mailing list or forums?
05:14:09saratogaIRC
05:14:24saratogajust use the search feature on the front page, type in zagor and USB
05:14:40scorchethat will be a lot of results...
05:15:14saratogasure, but you can quickly narrow them down since the date is in the title of each result
05:15:48psycho_maniacthen use the "-" feature. i love that feature in any search engine
05:16:36safetydan|NSA|: the reason there's nothing on the tracker is that there's no USB stack patch on the tracker anymore. The work that had been done has been comitted.
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06:06:34webguest02hey
06:06:38webguest02what does this site do?
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06:42:25major_worksIs Amiconn here?
06:45:04major_worksAmiconn, if you read the logs, please look for an e-mail from me about mpegplayer.c. Thanks.
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07:32:37woodensoulquick questiong guys... when using the line out on the gigabeat dock, does replaygain still affect the level?
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07:34:58toffe82woodensoul: I think it works on the line out too. but somebody knowing the code should answer. Do you have a problem ?
07:35:22woodensoulno, just testing now to see
07:35:34woodensouli know that the EQ affects the sound through the line out
07:35:39woodensoulso i assume RPG does too
07:35:44woodensoulthe volume doesn't though
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07:52:26strfryedI have a divide by zero error message on my e260 screen atm, is there a key combo I can use to reboot it "Long Power" doesn't seem to be working
07:52:49krazykitstrfryed, you need to hold it for 15 or more seconds
07:53:09strfryedsweet,
07:53:18strfryedit worked, sorry ;)
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08:14:49Jay_GIt's really quiet right now, so I'll venture a question regarding unofficial tags. Is it possible to use sublines with %e? I tried everything I could think of but could not get it to work. Also, after much searching I've been unable to find an explanation of how to use the %s%m tags on the same line as %e - although it is recommended. Any help or links to the appropriate web page(s) would be appreciated.
08:16:12JdGordon1) how can you say its quiet when youve only been in the chan for 10min?
08:16:22JdGordon2) unoficial builds dont get discussed
08:16:30JdGordon3) i like making lists!
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08:17:19linuxstb_Jay_G: Forget %e, go with viewports - FS #8385
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08:18:01Jay_GJDGordon - quiet because there's been no discussion for ten minutes. That is, except for you telling me we can't discuss the issue. Thanks.
08:18:23JdGordonlinuxstb: hey, are scrolling lines linked to the viewport at all? can I keep adding a scrolling line (not replacing the old one) if I move the viewport?
08:19:09linuxstbWhy would you move an active viewport? But yes, a scroll entry contains both a viewport pointer and a y position.
08:19:34JdGordonto make the list lines use the icon height if its larger than the font height for the rows
08:20:06linuxstbHow would you do that? One viewport per line?
08:20:30JdGordonyeah, but I was thinking reusing the viewport to safe ram
08:20:48JdGordonno big deal if it cant be done, was just a thought
08:21:09Jay_GThanks linuxstb.
08:21:33linuxstbWouldn't a separate "line height" setting for the viewport be better? I liked Nico_P's patch for that, but it never got committed.
08:22:03JdGordonisnt the scrolling lines set at the text height though?
08:22:18JdGordon.. I mean, scrolling isnt pixel set, its line set?
08:22:31linuxstbThat's what I mean - change them to be via a separate "line height" rather than using the font height.
08:23:12JdGordonyeah, that sounds good
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08:27:02linuxstbBTW, regarding your FS comment about avoiding passing a display and viewport pointer around, isn't there already a struct storing info about the list that you could add the viewport structs to?
08:27:33JdGordonyeah, but I'm looking for something generic.. not just for lists
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08:38:51ViakenQuestion...the SanDisk Sansa e200 page says that USB connectivity doesn't work. Does this mean if I put Rockbox on it, I would lose the ability to change what music is on it (without a microSD card)?
08:39:35scorcheViaken: you just boot into the original firmware
08:40:59Viakenah, forgot it did dual boot.
08:41:09ViakenSorry and thanks :)
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08:55:30robotgeekhi there, please add http://pastebin.ca/844929 to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsAmerica
08:55:48scorcherobotgeek: it is a wiki...
08:55:51robotgeekor give me write privileges :)
08:55:59scorchename?
08:56:05robotgeekscorche: Venkat Raghavan
08:57:35scorchedone
08:57:43robotgeekscorche: thanks
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09:09:10robotgeekI can't seem to get the formatting on the page just right
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09:12:02LinusNrobotgeek: add a space between the asterisks
09:12:30LinusN* *Alabama*
09:12:43robotgeekLinusN: ty, done
09:13:11robotgeeki was just trying to copy the one below it, i just dont want to learn another wiki syntax :)
09:14:16LinusN:-)
09:14:57robotgeekwell, thanks for the tips. good job with rockbox, me like :)
09:15:08robotgeeki've got to go off to bed, so later!
09:16:50LinusNsleep tight
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09:22:23linuxstbZagor: I don't know if shotofadds (I think his real name is Rob Purchase going by the (C) lines in his D2 patch) contacted you, but he reported here that he registered for flyspray, clicked the confirmation link, but can't login.
09:22:52Zagorlinuxstb: yes I got his mail. I will look into it soon.
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09:34:41r4v5hmm. I managed to trigger a panic in my e250 by unplugging it from usb while holding down the power button with the most recent build but can't reproduce it.
09:36:09r4v5Time to play with it more, I suppose.
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09:41:43Casainhohello RB people! :-)
09:41:56CasainhoHow do I do a new page in TWiki?
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09:43:56GodEaterCasainho: type in the new name in the "Go" box at the top of an existing page
09:44:05GodEaterCasainho: the wiki will tell you it doesn't exist, and ask if you wish to create it
09:44:36Casainho−−-+ Access Denied
09:44:37CasainhoAccess check on TWiki.ManagingWebs failed. Action "MANAGE": access not allowed on web.
09:44:50Casainhook- I tried and I got that error...
09:44:56GodEaterWhat page do you wish to create ?
09:44:59Casainhowhat I am missing?
09:45:01Casainho−−-+ Access Denied
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09:45:10GodEaterdon't keep pasting that
09:45:10Casainhosorry
09:45:12CasainhoRockboxPlayer-V1
09:45:24GodEaterThat's a bad wiki page name
09:45:32GodEaterhow about RockboxPlayerV1
09:45:44Casainhookok, I will try with that name :-)
09:46:06CasainhoI still got the same error - no permission :-(
09:46:40GodEaterwell I just did it for you then
09:46:48Casainhothanks :-)
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10:07:59pondlifeNico_P: FS #8206 looks ok here, will you commit soon?
10:10:46Nico_Ppondlife: yes, but yesterday I noticed it prevented skipping to the next album
10:10:53Nico_Ps/album/dir
10:11:02Nico_PI fixed that and need to do a little more testing
10:11:27Nico_PI'll upload the updated patch
10:11:36woodensoulhas anyone been experiencing intermittent lagging in playback?
10:11:55pondlifeI get gaps in playback while it's buffering
10:11:57woodensoulaudio will stop for a few seconds then continue
10:12:00pondlifeYep
10:12:01GodEateryeah me too
10:12:15pondlifeBuffering needs to sleep a little more
10:12:16Nico_Ptweaking the chunksize could be good, has anyone tried it?
10:12:17woodensoulwhen was this bug introduced?
10:12:53GodEaterI think that was discussed on Friday
10:12:57GodEaterhave a hunt through the logs
10:13:04woodensoulis there a bug report?
10:13:07GodEaterI don't recall the exact revision
10:13:13GodEateryeah, there's one of those too :)
10:13:19pondlifeProbably since MoB.
10:13:21GodEateralthough I think it's iPod specific
10:13:41GodEaterpondlife: for me it was MoB, it was a change that amiconn did to the ATA drivers on the iPod which made it start
10:13:51GodEater*wasn't* MoB rather
10:13:53woodensoulI have a Gigabeat, and it does it too
10:14:03GodEaterI've not had it happen to me on the gigabeat at all
10:14:16pondlifeGodEater: On H300 I think it was MoB (or very shortly after).
10:14:21Nico_PI have to go to class, Ill check the logs when I come back
10:14:25pondlifeOK
10:14:26GodEaterok - later
10:14:33Nico_Plater
10:14:37woodensoulwell i've been playing 6 or 7 albums for the last several hours and it hasn't happened
10:14:55pondlifeIt's only occasional.
10:15:14woodensoulwith a build from Jan 2nd
10:16:11GodEaterso when did it last do it then ?
10:17:00pondlifeSeems buffering is too aggressive (hence starving audio playback) in some cases, yet 64MB iPod owners are reporting that buffering takes ages to complete..
10:17:23GodEaterdefine "ages" ?
10:18:33pondlifeThe reports are vague - from "disk keeps spinning" to "20 mins"
10:18:40pondlifeI don't have an iPod though
10:18:43GodEaterwell I've certainly not seen that
10:18:56woodensoulWell I have 3 Gigabeats so I'm not sure what build is on the one that did it last.
10:18:58GodEaterbuffering takes at most 20 seconds in my case
10:19:07pondlifeWith 64MB?
10:19:09GodEaterwoodensoul: well you need to find out
10:19:12GodEaterpondlife: yes
10:19:20pondlifeOK, sounds about right
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10:19:44TroyMcClure12any quick guides on doing a custom build?
10:19:49pondlifeSo it would be fine if buffering was a little less aggressive...maybe add a second onto HD powered time, but no audio skipping..
10:19:54pondlife?
10:20:25GodEaterSlasheri has a theory it's something to do with chunksize (whatever that is)
10:20:44GodEaterwhich I think is the minimum amount of data which is required before a codec can beginning playing it
10:20:51GodEaterapparently there is no minimum value anymore
10:20:57GodEaterwhile once upon a time there used to be
10:21:17GodEateramiconn thought it was to do with the low watermark in the buffering
10:21:21GodEaterbut I fiddled around with that
10:21:24GodEaterand it made no difference
10:22:02*GodEater hopes that all makes sense
10:23:06XavierGrLinusN: ping, any news about the H100 flashed bootloader?
10:23:21LinusNno
10:23:57GodEaterwe're waiting on another one ?
10:24:46XavierGrGodEater: there is a patch that enables the flashing procedure on H100 too (not H120/140s)
10:24:54GodEaterah ok
10:25:03XavierGrbecause it is risky it would be good if LinusN could test it
10:25:10*pondlife is still waiting for an official release of the H300 bootloader...
10:25:19TroyMcClure12anyone here use any of the dictionary or wikipedia plugins?
10:25:43*LinusN is still waiting for time to do all this stuff
10:26:11*GodEater writes a note to the time fairy asking her to deliver extra to LinusN
10:26:22LinusNhow kind of you
10:26:53GodEatershe's notorious for ignoring such notes sadly =/
10:27:48GodEateron the topic of things to do
10:28:13GodEaterI think someone "official" needs to write the note to redhat / sourceware asking for the diffs that rio submitted to eCos
10:28:28GodEaterassuming we're still interested in their content
10:30:18*GodEater taps his mike. "This thing on?"
10:31:56woodensouli heard
10:32:00woodensoulbut i wasn't listening
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10:33:29woodensoulwhat are you talking about GodEater?
10:33:36woodensouleCos?
10:34:03LinusNGodEater: yes, we should probably try that
10:40:31*GodEater volunteers LinusN, Bagder, or amiconn to write such an email :)
10:50:17LinusN:-)
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11:06:09TroyMcClure12anyone know of a prebuilt with a mww patch? it has a wikipedia plugin
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11:09:10Schlupphello!
11:09:51GodEaterTroyMcClure12: we don't provide support for custom builds here because we have no interest in them. You're best of scanning the "unsupported builds" section of the forums.
11:10:08TroyMcClure12danke
11:10:10TroyMcClure12oops thanks
11:11:39Schluppi'm a newbie and can't get rockbox compiling - can anyone help me?
11:11:58LinusNwhat is the problem?
11:12:02Schluppget many error-massages in filetypes.c
11:12:05GodEaterSchlupp: is there some reason you wish to compile it yourself?
11:12:25Schluppwant to have the rockcalendar plugin
11:14:06GodEaterSchlupp: which FS number is that patch ?
11:14:21Schlupphave installed everything like described in the wiki, downloaded the source, but it says "filetypes.c:89: error: 'voice_ext_rwps' undeclared here (not in a function)
11:14:36Schlupp4760
11:15:28LinusNSchlupp: that's odd, as far as i can see, that patch doesn't change filetypes.c
11:15:52Schluppi also tryed it without the patch
11:16:36Schluppis it possible to save the log of cygwin?
11:16:37LinusNare you using subversion, or did you download a tar file?
11:16:59Schluppi'm using subversion
11:17:05LinusNwhich target?
11:17:45Schlupph320
11:18:36LinusNso it's just a clean svn checkout and a normal h320 build?
11:18:50*GodEater is currently attempting to build it for the ipod video
11:19:17Schluppyes.
11:19:39LinusNis the filetypes error the first error, or are there other warnings?
11:19:46GodEaterfails here too
11:19:50GodEaterbut not in filetypes
11:20:04GodEaterI get a "No rule to make target `rockcalendar_note.220x176x16.bmp',"
11:20:21LinusNGodEater: he can't even build a regular rockbox
11:20:27SchluppLinusN: the first error
11:20:43LinusNSchlupp: do you have perl installed?
11:20:46GodEaterLinusN: ah ok
11:21:06SchluppLinusN: yes, was set to install
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11:21:28Schluppwith downloading the .tar file everything is the same...
11:22:10Schluppmy installation is incomplete or i'm doing something wrong
11:22:41LinusNSchlupp: do you have the native gcc installed correctly?
11:23:48SchluppLinusN: how do i do that?
11:25:20Schluppi have gcc, gcc-core, gcc-g++,gcc-mingw-core,gcc-mingw-g++ and gcc-testsuite installed
11:25:26amiconnpondlife: "official release of the H300 bootloader" ?
11:25:57pondlifeThe SVN bootloader has several improvements over the last wikied one
11:26:29pondlifeWe've discussed it before - mainly USB bootloader mode now works on some devices.
11:26:41pondlifei.e. some where it did not before
11:27:07pondlifeAlso power on from the remote is fixed
11:28:05pondlifeLinusN wanted to do some more tests (and charging stuff, perhaps).
11:28:11LinusNSchlupp: have you set up cygwin to use CR/LF or LF line termination?
11:28:33LinusNand did you use cygwin svn or tortoise to check out the sources?
11:28:37SchluppLinusN: dos/text
11:29:02SchluppLinusN: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
11:29:26LinusNi think you need to use LF (unix) line terminations to stay out of trouble
11:29:36Schluppi try it
11:31:15LinusNin fact, i've found other people with the same problem in the IRC logs, and it turned out to be line termination problems
11:32:18SchluppLinusN: it really works!!! thank you!
11:32:27LinusNgoodie
11:33:04Schluppdon't know why dos was active...
11:33:15LinusNfyi, it is the parsing of apps/features that breaks with cr/lf termination
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11:51:30TroyMcClure12is compiling on windows even possible?
11:51:30TroyMcClure12oh NM dumb question
11:53:11amiconnpondlife: Ah, that. Well, I won't try an SVN bootloader without previous testing by a bdm-equipped developer, but the last 'improved' one that LinusN provided for testing made things worse on my H340...
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12:00:29pondlifeWorse?
12:00:58amiconnyes
12:01:02pondlifeIn what way?
12:01:25amiconnBootloader USB works for me with the official bootloader, and booting rockbox works flawlessly
12:02:02amiconnThe latest one for testing introduced the nasty hdd click (emergency park) during *every* normal boot...
12:02:13pondlifeUrgh.
12:02:31pondlifeI've not had that, but the official bootloader won't do USB connection, whereas the SVN one works fine
12:02:53pondlifeLinusN: Have you had the HD click?
12:03:28LinusNas in the hard drive clicking when inserting the usb cable?
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12:04:06pondlifeAlso, for the record, the SVN bootloader (10th December) works fine here with an 80GB disk. petur reported intermittent boot issues....
12:04:19LinusNhaven't used my h300 for quite a while, have to refresh my memory
12:04:36peturpondlife: was anything changed for that?
12:04:53pondlifeNope, I just switched HD and it all worked
12:05:34peturhmmm... I think I tried my 80GB disk on my other h300 but can't remember the outcome :(
12:06:01pondlifeamiconn: I get a slight click on booting, but nothing notable, same as with the OF. This is just a boot with no USB cable involved.
12:07:05*pondlife marvels at how long the OF takes to boot with 60GB of data...
12:07:19pondlife2 mins +
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12:18:06amiconnLinusN: The HDD click when inserting the usb cable also happens with the official bootloader... what your latest test version (months ago) added for me was a click on *every* boot
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12:18:28LinusNamiconn: ah
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12:21:10woodensoulFor those target with a RTC, couldn't recording by time be implemented?
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12:22:02LinusNwoodensoul: sure, somebody just has to do it
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12:22:59woodensoulWell I guess I'm wondering how hard it could be to do since we already have functioning RTC and recording.
12:23:26woodensoulat "such and such a time" record
12:23:53DerPapstGodEater: reading your note about a mail to redhat for the diffs... since it seems time is short by those you've volunteerd maybe you could write up something, pastebin it and discuss it with them so one of them could send it to redhat?
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12:23:57woodensoulfor "such and such a time"
12:24:29*DerPapst wonders if that sentence makes sense... because of grammar and such ;-)
12:25:58GodEaterDerPapst: the reason I volunteered them is because (Bagder at least) has written such emails before, and therefore likely has a nice format for them. I could certainly knock up a "please can we have" email, but I'm not sure the best way about phrasing the request.
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12:26:43DerPapstah ok.. understood :-)
12:27:49BagderI don't have any particularly well phrased sample stored, I've just wrote them for each time I've needed them, explaining who I am, where I come from and what I want in clear terms
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12:30:18GodEaterok - I'll give it a go then
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12:32:17pondlifeGodEater: I was mainly thinking that if status icons are at the top of the screen, it would make transition to a global/consistent status bar easier down the road.
12:32:21LinusNwoodensoul: it's in fact extremely easy to accomplish, but integrating it with the user interface is not as simple
12:32:50LinusNwoodensoul: and do you really want it to switch to recording when you are currently using the player for playback?
12:32:58LinusNwoodensoul: etc etc
12:33:05woodensoulLinusN: What do you mean by that? The settings for it?
12:33:16woodensoulThat could be an option.
12:33:28LinusNeverything can be an option
12:33:29woodensoulYes/No Record even when in playback.
12:33:41LinusN"when playing doom"
12:33:47LinusN"when player is off"
12:34:00pondlife"When recording something else"?
12:34:19woodensoulWell the only valid one that I could really see being used is haveing the player turn on to record, but I didn't think that was possible.
12:34:41LinusNadd to that all the settings that go with the recording, such as source, sample rate, encoder etc
12:34:48woodensoulThen why not just make it work when playback is stopped and not in a plugin?
12:35:08LloreanWhy not set it to record when you enter the recording screen, then shut off the player and use a wake-up alarm?
12:35:09woodensoulJust make it record with all the recording settings left alone
12:35:11pondlifeIf we're going to work on timed events, I'd like to see it built as a general alarm/scheduler controlled from the calendar plugin...
12:35:44LinusNwoodensoul: yes, the first basic implementation would probably do just that
12:35:52GodEaterpondlife: you mean the calendar plugin which isn't in svn yet ? ;)
12:36:00pondlifeOf course ;)
12:36:09woodensoulI was gonna say... what calendar plugin?
12:36:21*pondlife searches Flyspray again
12:36:46GodEater4702 I think
12:36:53pondlife4760?
12:36:59GodEateryes that one
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12:37:27woodensoulWell if there is enough interest in the timed recording feature by those that can do it, I'd like to see it.
12:37:35pondlifeIt's awaiting Archos compatibility work, I think. Plus standardised menus?
12:37:53woodensoulI was thinking about using Rockbox on my H140 to record talk radio shows while I am sleeping.
12:38:29LinusNa lot of people want to have that functionality
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12:38:53Lloreanwoodensoul: "those can do it" pretty much boils down to "Those who want it badly enough to spend the time on it." You could spend the time learning to become "those who can do it"
12:39:38GodEaterhttp://pastebin.ca/845048
12:39:42woodensoulWell I know C, so maybe this could be a project for me to throw on the resume... I'm looking for a job. :)
12:41:01LloreanGodEater: To some form of eCos list or?
12:41:05woodensoulWhat's the best place to start to get to know the basic design of the Rockbox code?
12:41:17GodEaterecos-discuss@sourceware.org
12:41:26LloreanWell, it sounds good to me.
12:41:53*GodEater will await thumbs up from Bagder/LinusN/amiconn before hitting send
12:42:57BagderI'm perfectly fine with that!
12:43:37LinusNGodEater: it's a bit ironic that you failed to spell "illiterate" correctly
12:43:47pondlifelol
12:44:03GodEaterhehehe
12:44:21*GodEater removes the spurious "l"
12:44:24Bagderalso, my firefox says "publically" is wrong
12:44:26DerPapst"of this code. It would" s/./?
12:44:29LinusNand "Is there anybody subscribed to this list..." should probably have a question mark
12:44:33Bagder"publicly" it is
12:44:37GodEaterthat too
12:44:54*GodEater corrects the missing "?"
12:44:58DerPapstyea... that is what i meant.
12:45:20GodEateranything else before I fire ?
12:45:34*DerPapst likes it.
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12:47:03GodEatershall I perhaps cc the rockbox-dev list ?
12:47:34Bagdersure, can't hurt
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12:48:21GodEaterTorpedo is in the water...
12:48:59*DerPapst crosses fingers
12:49:30woodensoulwhat text editor do you guys recommend for viewing source files?
12:49:48GodEaterDerPapst: I imagine the ipod-devs would be interested if we get a decent reply too... ;)
12:50:07Bagderare there any left? B-]
12:50:16GodEaterit might resurrect some :)
12:50:17pondlifeThey all moved onto Zunes...
12:50:21Bagderhahaha
12:50:30DerPapstyep... since the pp5003 seems to be similar to the pp5020
12:52:09*GodEater wonders how many people will be confused by his apparent submission to the rb-dev list
12:53:09Bagdermy guess is ... 3 public replies asking, and 2 private...
12:53:22conandolol
12:53:23Bagderand they'll all full-quote top-post ;-)
12:53:28GodEaterhehe
12:53:42pondlifeNo change there then.
12:53:45GodEaterI've not noticed that many top posters on the dev list
12:53:50GodEaterI must not pay much attention
12:54:35Bagderit's quite possible, I poor both lists into the same mailbox so I tend not to notice the differences between the lists
12:54:59GodEaters/poor/pour ?
12:55:07Bagderyes
12:56:58*DerPapst never used mailing lists.. i'm too scared to make mistakes :-P
12:57:40amiconnwoodensoul: You can already do that afaik... use alarm wakeup and set it to start in recording screen
12:58:28Nico_PGodEater: could you try changing the chunksize value to see if it has an influence on the playback glitching?
12:59:04GodEaterif you can tell me where it lives, and watch to try changing it to - then sure ;)
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13:00:24Nico_Pit's in buffering.c:BUFFERING_DEFAULT_FILECHUNK. try doubling it
13:01:46GodEaterok - building now
13:01:51Nico_Pthanks :)
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13:02:54woodensoulIsn't alarm wakeup only for iPods?
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13:04:09*GodEater is tempted once again to remove doom from plugins/SOURCES
13:04:42woodensoulWhy remove doom?
13:04:54conandonooo :)
13:05:09GodEaterbecause it sucks ?
13:05:16pondlifeTo speed up compilation?
13:05:40GodEaterboth of the above
13:05:44woodensoulIt's good for the awe value.
13:05:45conandolol
13:05:55woodensoulI personally never use it.
13:06:02pondlifeIt is awe-ful.
13:06:14pondlifeJust like pictureflow ;)
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13:06:24GodEaterduh dum - tsch
13:06:25woodensoulWhat's are your favorite features in Rockbox?
13:06:26conandoalthough it's practically unplayable on most targets ;)
13:06:32GodEaterwoodensoul: music playback
13:06:47conandowoodensoul: mpegplayer
13:06:54woodensoulWhen/If picture is availabe to play music, I think it would be nice to browse that way.
13:06:59DerPapstboth are killerfeatures. if the (esp. Doom) were missing rockbox would only be half as possible as it is :-P
13:07:10DerPapstand the rockboy thingy of course
13:07:13GodEater"half as possible" ?
13:07:14woodensoulThe OF has music playback. What specific features?
13:07:21DerPapsterr..
13:07:24DerPapst*popular
13:07:24woodensoulpictureflow i meant
13:07:27GodEatergapless!
13:07:27*DerPapst hides
13:07:31GodEatercodecs!
13:07:52pondlifeCrossfade
13:07:53woodensoulcrossfading? replaygain?
13:07:57GodEatercrossfeed
13:08:07woodensoulcustomizable WPS?
13:08:08*GodEater doesn't use crossfade ever
13:08:15woodensoullast.fm logging?
13:08:16pondlifeNico_P: Your patch gives a warning... CC playback.c playback.c: In function `audio_thread': playback.c:1960: warning: 'next_playlist_index' might be used uninitialized in this function
13:08:20GodEaterI could live without a pretty WPS too
13:08:25GodEaterand I don't use last.fm either
13:08:26woodensouldrag-and-drop transfers?
13:08:36pondlifeVoice UI
13:08:43GodEateryeah - couldn't do without drag-n-drop either
13:08:49Nico_Ppondlife: ah, thanks
13:08:56GodEaterNico_P: this looks like it - no glitches at all so far
13:09:06GodEaterI've chopped around albums a few times
13:09:12GodEaterand no dropouts while buffering at all
13:09:17pondlifeGodEater: What did you increase it to?
13:09:28woodensoulI didn't say anything about pretty WPS, I said customizable.
13:09:33GodEaterI doubled it as per Nico_P's suggestion
13:09:38GodEaterso 1024*32
13:09:48Nico_Pit might cause problems on the flashmem targets though... jhMikeS changed it from 32k to 16k in r15724
13:09:49woodensoulI think the database browsing feature are pretty slick too.
13:10:09*GodEater never uses the database
13:10:22*pondlife nearly always uses the database
13:10:23woodensouleven for genre?
13:10:36*DerPapst wonders what GodEater uses at all ^^
13:10:38*GodEater refers to the "never" in the above statement
13:10:45woodensoulwell there's another one then... ability to browse by files or database
13:10:45pondlifeI don't use genre, but random album is very nice
13:10:53*Bagder never even started the database
13:11:00woodensoulI've been using random album lately.
13:11:22GodEaterI don't even have a database on my ipod
13:11:25pondlifeI like the way you can go back out and in if it picks a bad choice for your mood...
13:11:55woodensoulpondlife: me too, I see if the random album picked is OK before listening
13:11:57woodensoullol
13:12:15*pondlife puts his chunksize up to 32K
13:12:20woodensoulI haven't tried adding random albums to a playlist though. Does that work?
13:12:30pondlife...hmm RockCalendar needs sync-work.
13:12:49pondlifewoodensoul: Should do, try it and bug it up if not.
13:12:59GodEaterpondlife: indeed, I tried building it myself this morning
13:14:02DerPapstwas there ever a csv viewer for rockbox?
13:14:36*DerPapst shuld search FS instead of asking stoopid questions
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13:14:44DerPapst*should even
13:14:48ssnhi guys
13:14:53woodensoulbug it up?
13:15:02woodensouli guess you mean write a patch?
13:15:09GodEaterDerPapst: only in as much as you can use the text viewer to view .csv files
13:15:19pondlifeAnyone object if I change the heading of the first Database browse screen, from "Browse by..." to "Database" ?
13:15:30ssnis there a way to install rockbox or another ipod linux on a cf card (for an ipod mini) without having the apple firmware on it?
13:15:35GodEaterpondlife: makes sense to me - I say do it
13:15:42pondlifeOK, I will!
13:16:05woodensoulIt'd be nice to have a text file version of the manual or some what to view PDFs on the device.
13:16:15DerPapsteh... i mixed it up of course i meant VCF :-P
13:16:16woodensoulwhat == way
13:16:17GodEaterssn: installing "rockbox" only required unzipping files - so yes - but I suspect you mean you want to be able to then just insert the card and boot into rockbox correct ?
13:16:23DerPapstand found it on the tracker
13:16:30Lloreanssn: And just as a note, Rockbox is not linux in any way.
13:16:34ssnbecause GodEater yes
13:16:40ssnLlorean: sorry :)
13:16:58*Llorean wonders where people keep getting the idea that Rockbox is a form of Linux
13:17:03GodEaterssn: in that case you need the apple firmware on the card in order to have a rockbox bootloader
13:17:27DerPapstLlorean: Open source is _always_ linux
13:17:28LloreanGodEater: You need an Apple Firmware Partition, it can be very small and doesn't need apple firmware in it, though.
13:17:32DerPapst:-P
13:17:34ssni want to get my ipod mini to accept this cf card, but when i use the ipod with this card, i cannot get the apple firmware on it
13:17:50GodEaterLlorean: you're so right - I keep forgetting that feature of ipodpatcher
13:18:19GodEaterssn: have you partitioned the card correctly ?
13:18:54ssnGodEater: sorry, dont know how to do this
13:18:58ssnwell i can use fdisk
13:19:03pondlifeI might commit keyclick too... disabled by default of course, but ready and waiting to make PortalPlayer-users ears bleed ;)
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13:19:06ssnbut i dont know the correct layout
13:19:51Lloreanpondlife: If it's not really "ready" yet, you could leave the option in debug, like button lights on Gigabeat was for a while
13:20:13GodEaterssn: you just need two partitions, one small one near the beginning of the card, marked as type 0
13:20:16pondlifeIt's ready, but PCMBUF beep on PP has a bug.
13:20:24GodEaterssn: and then the FAT32 one after it taking up the rest of the card
13:20:33pondlifeI have no tarrget that shows the issue
13:21:05DerPapstssn: some partitiontables: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_without_Itunes#Partition_Tables
13:21:11GodEater#ifdef it out for PP targets ?
13:21:17ssnis it ok if the first partition has just 1 block?
13:21:19pondlifeCommitting keyclick might give someone who has a PP target the impetus to fix the PCM layer though.
13:21:37pondlifeI don't like #ifdefs particularly..
13:21:42GodEaterssn: it needs to be large enough for the rockbox bootloader to go into
13:21:50DerPapstssn: iirc yes.
13:21:52pondlifeThe broken code is in the current build anyway ;)
13:22:35ssnGodEater: whats "large enough" :D
13:22:35DerPapstssn: one issue will be that ipodpatcher will not detect your ipod.
13:22:55DerPapstthe rb bootloader is just a few KB
13:23:06DerPapstone cylinder is large enough
13:23:52ssnok so i partitioned it
13:24:13ssnshoul i put it back in my ipod an try to get the apple firmware on it?
13:24:14DerPapsti wonder.. can scrable be used to "unscrable"?
13:24:37ssnor can i somehow do this without the apple firmware?
13:24:43DerPapstssn: the apple fw will hardly fit into one cylinder...
13:24:47pondlifescrabble? Now there's a killer app...
13:25:02DerPapst*scramble...
13:25:05DerPapstmeh :-P
13:25:46DerPapstssn: yes. you neet a bootloader in bin format and scramble.
13:25:50ssnDerPapst: so how do i get the loader on there?
13:25:51DerPapstand dd :-)
13:26:02ssnbecause ipodpatcher wants to have the apple firmware
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13:26:19ssnDerPapst: i ve been looking for that :)
13:27:28DerPapstyou won't find it unless you build the bootloader yourself i guess.
13:28:19ssndont know how to do that
13:29:20ssnwell, ill try to get the original firmware onto it again
13:29:23DerPapstwait a bit.. i'll try something.
13:29:34ssnok
13:29:42amiconnDerPapst: There's 'descramble', but I'm not sure whether that one was updated to keep it symmetric to 'scramble'
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13:30:00*DerPapst nods..
13:30:25DerPapstiirc scrable added an 8 bytes header to the bin?
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13:31:24DerPapstssn: what ipod mini do you have? 1st gen or 2nd gen?
13:31:43ssni dont have the casing, so i dont know
13:31:54ssnther e was a 4gb microdrive in there
13:32:01ssndoes this help?
13:32:26DerPapstamiconn: are the bootloaders for mini 1G and mini 2G the same? probably not...
13:33:21amiconnOf course not, as the builds are different
13:33:32DerPapstbummer :-P
13:33:41Lloreanamiconn: It's a fairish question because we have one bootloader and two builds, sorta, for the 5Gs.
13:33:49DerPapstssn: what color does the text on the clickwheel have?
13:33:58ssngrey
13:34:01DerPapstand sansa...
13:34:18DerPapsti assume you have a 1st gen :-)
13:34:21Nico_Ppondlife: do you get glitches with chunksize set to 32k?
13:34:27pondlifeNot yet!
13:34:28DerPapstor did it have a silver case?
13:34:34ssnDerPapst: green
13:34:38DerPapstok
13:34:39ssni think so to
13:34:42DerPapst1st gen :-P
13:34:53Nico_Pis there someone who could test changing the chunksize with a flash target?
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13:35:45*DerPapst builds a mini 1G bootloader :-)
13:36:47ssnDerPapst: that really nice of you :)
13:37:03amiconnLlorean: Yeah, but those builds have the same target id
13:37:45amiconnDerPapst: The only way to reliably tell whether it's a 1st or 2nd Gen mini is the text on the back
13:38:01pondlifeNico_P: Any particular playback tests I should be trying with your latest patch?
13:38:18pondlifeI've checked out both crossfade and not.
13:38:19amiconn2nd Gen has the capacity written there (4GB or 6GB), 1st Gen doesn't (as it only came as 4GB model)
13:38:30DerPapst"click wheel font matches the color of the iPod Mini,"
13:38:39DerPapstthis is what i've tried to use...
13:38:47ssnamiconn: it doesnt hurt me if its the wrong one
13:38:53DerPapstfor mini 2G that is
13:38:56ssnsince there aint any firmware on it
13:38:57ssn;)
13:39:01DerPapstnope
13:39:45amiconnThe wrong one wouldn't work at all
13:40:04ssnthen it would do the same thing my ipod does now :D
13:41:19Nico_Ppondlife: mostly auto dir changing and track changing in general
13:41:25pondlifeOK
13:41:37pondlifeNothing to report thus far.
13:42:15Nico_Pcool :)
13:42:28Nico_PI'll probably commit later this evening
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13:50:31GodEaterinteresting - just got my very first "very low battery" warning from the ipod - even though it's not (according to rockbox)
13:51:16DerPapstheh
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13:52:57DerPapstamiconn: incase i compiled the wrong bootloader... would the (wrong) rockbox bl still go in diskmode if the iPod is connected to a pc at bootup?
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14:01:47pondlifeNico_P: On the last song in a directory, the next track info displays the current track info here. Might be my WPS (one of the Cabbie 2.0s), but I suspect not.
14:02:01pondlifeDon't know if that's a new "feature" or not.
14:02:16Nico_Pfunny, I fixed that some time ago... maybe the patch made it reappear
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14:23:22Lars_GIn case you guys care, woot has sansas e260 today at $55 including shipping
14:24:47PaulJamv1 or v2?
14:25:00linuxstbGodEater: Regarding your Karma source code email, I think it's also worth asking about Rio's original obligations regarding the ecos patches - the publically available license seems to clearly say that Rio should have offered the source to users, so either Rio were infringing, or they had the source under a different license.
14:25:42GodEaterlinuxstb: http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/197014/site_id/1#import
14:25:51GodEaterthere's some info in there about the license they got eCos under
14:27:43GodEaterlinuxstb: if you wish to ask about their obligations under that license, it might be worth asking in the thread. ukre is pretty much the alpha and omega of what they did back then.
14:28:13GodEaternot that he could help us out personally now, since he doesn't work for rio anymore
14:28:36GodEaterhe's busy making other people very unhappy about a certain popular cell phone
14:28:54DerPapstheh
14:29:15linuxstbSure, I'll post the question in the forum thread, but it could also have been asked in your email - but I missed the consultation deadline... ;)
14:29:46GodEaterit could have been yes - but I can't go back in time and change it now...
14:29:57GodEaterunless that's some undocumented feature of rockbox somewhere ?
14:30:01GodEater:)
14:30:10*GodEater resolves to check FS
14:34:56linuxstbI'm just saying it now so that you can maybe mention it in any replies.
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14:35:05linuxstbI've also just posted to the forum thread.
14:35:14GodEaterok - I'll bear it in mine.
14:35:16GodEater*mind
14:35:49webguest12hi i need som help with my rockbox, i have the v2 on my iaudio x5.. and somehow its gone into mute.. how do i remove mute ?
14:36:08linuxstbTurn the volume up
14:36:15webguest12that doesnt help...
14:36:21GodEaterunpause it...
14:36:24linuxstbWhat do you mean by "v2" ?
14:36:33webguest122.0
14:36:37linuxstbOf what?
14:36:39webguest12or what ever the latest version is
14:36:42webguest12rockbox
14:36:55linuxstbRockbox doesn't have a numbered release for the X5.
14:37:13webguest12when i boot up my device it says version 2.0
14:37:24DerPapstthat's probably the bootloader...
14:37:44*DerPapst knows nothing about the X5 and shuts up
14:37:59linuxstbYou can see the version of Rockbox itself in the System menu somewhere
14:38:08moosyup DerPapst bootloader version 2
14:38:09webguest12yea when its booting up
14:38:25webguest12anyways, is there anyway to enable/disable mute
14:38:29Lars_GPaulJam: You mean es260 v1 or v2? no idea, to be sincere... sigh I guess v2 will not load rockbox?
14:38:37linuxstbThere isn't a mute option
14:38:40webguest12becaause i see a mute icon thingy up there with the rest of the volume thingys
14:38:41Lars_GI'll take the risk, and if I can't rockbox it, I'll resell it locally
14:38:49DerPapsthah.. guessed right :-) where can i get my prize?
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14:39:04Lars_Gwebguest12: it's a little speaker to denote volume, not a mute icon, afaik
14:39:13linuxstbToo late...
14:39:14PaulJamLars_G: yes, afaik rockbox doesn't support the v2
14:39:29Lars_GPaulJam: and it's a "never will" like new iPods, or a "not yet" ?
14:39:56DerPapstiirc a not yet
14:39:59linuxstbLars_G: It doesn't look to be an impossible port (easier than the new iPods), but it still needs volunteers...
14:40:01PaulJamLars_G: i have no idea, check the tread in the new ports section in the forums.
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14:41:31moosthe mail in the list says that those are v1 (don't know he did know)
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14:42:41Lars_GOk thanks
14:43:36Lars_GAh well if it's a V2, it's unsupported and a matter of just adding a new arch, I might try it out myself. who knows
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14:45:14GodEaterit's never a matter of "just" adding a new arch - it's always lots of hard work
14:46:53linuxstbPaulJam: Thanks for the viewports bug report...
14:49:47linuxstbRegarding 3., I'm torn about how to handle bitmaps - whether they should specified using full-screen co-ordinates (as the current patch does it), or if they should be drawn within a viewport. I'm now being convinced by the second option.
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14:53:32Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought they should be done within it.
14:54:41LloreanMore for logic than anything else though. To a user, the viewports are going to seem to be "on top" of other things, and they're going to want to define images within them if the image is expected to show up. It just 'makes sense' from the standpoint of windows and other similar things.
14:55:05amiconnOf course bitmap coordinates should be relative to the active viewport...
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15:00:15LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Thanks for sending out the e-mail to the eCos discussion list!
15:00:45linuxstbAt the LCD driver level they are, but the WPS code deals with images separately to lines, so it's more work to link WPS images with a viewport.
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15:02:31GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: it wasn't entirely a selfless act - I want the PP details for my own target ;)
15:02:58*GodEater goes to the gym
15:03:00Lars_GGodEater: Oh don't worry I am a fan of microcontrollers and architectures, I know how much of a work reversing and working with a new arch can be
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15:08:02Erenhello all
15:08:34ErenI've successfully installed rockbox on my 4g ipod photo but I couldn't find deep sleep option
15:08:47Erenis it possible to use deep sleep feature?
15:09:06PaulJami dont think rockbox has such a feature.
15:09:10Erenhm
15:09:40Erenso I'll try to install iPodLinux =) I'm thinking of running both iPodLinux, Rockbox and Apple OS
15:12:12LambdaCalculus37 Eren: My 4G iPod color doesn't have any such feature.
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15:28:44*linuxstb ponders committing just the firmware/ parts of his viewports patch today, rather than waiting until the WPS code is finished
15:30:27LinusNi guess we will want to change parts of the wps language to better handle viewports anyway
15:31:46Lars_GBtw I didn't notice who was pushing stuff onto mpegplayer, but kudos to you, great work so far
15:33:22preglowlinuxstb: viewports has a firmware part?
15:33:34linuxstbpreglow: Of course, all the lcd drivers...
15:33:42linuxstbPlus the scrolling code.
15:33:43preglow:D
15:33:48DogBoyis there a link somewhere that explains what viewports is
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15:34:11preglowLars_G: that would be jhMikeS
15:34:11linuxstbYou could try reading the patch comments - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8385
15:34:20linuxstb^to DogBoy
15:36:26linuxstbLinusN: I think it's more that the code is designed to work around limitations of full-width text lines. So for example, bitmaps are always drawn last, so they are not overwritten by text. That's not needed with viewports.
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15:38:06LinusNlinuxstb: ah, i see
15:39:22*LinusN spots a nice database patch
15:44:27DogBoylinuxstb, I can't see anything there by way of explaining how it's different from what was done before
15:44:50DogBoyas far as what the reason or intention is
15:45:19Lars_GSo we have a rockcurses now ;)
15:50:17linuxstbDogBoy: Basically, the LCD drawing API in Rockbox currently treats the LCD as a single full-screen window made up of lines of text of the same height, and drawing (graphics and text) is done within this window. Lines of text then scroll full-width (or with a left-margin) covering the full width of the screen. The viewports concept allows the apps code to define lots of smaller rectangular windows (viewports) on the screen, and drawing/s
15:50:17linuxstbcrolling is limited to the confines of that rectangle.
15:50:53DogBoyah
15:50:58DogBoythank you
15:51:19DogBoy^linuxstb
15:52:01linuxstbThe first use of this will be in the WPS, but the plan is to use them throught Rockbox to create a more flexible UI.
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15:55:13Nico_Plinuxstb: I think committing the firmware/ part first is a good idea
15:55:49linuxstbNico_P: Me too, it also makes the binsize increase easier on the eye to commit in pieces...
15:55:51*Nico_P really should take a good look at the WPS part
15:55:57Nico_Phehe :)
15:56:48Slasheriah, that new database patch looks great, going to commit it
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16:00:04Nico_Plinuxstb: about the list widget, I don't see what good putting its parts in different viewports is going to bring
16:00:12Slasherinow it looks funny that i have made so large "typos" and didn't even notice it :)
16:00:35Nico_Palso, will it be possible to say "sraw a list in that viewport" if the list is made of several viewports?
16:01:26linuxstbNico_P: The reason is to give flexibilty about positioning, and also to simplify the code.
16:01:28Nico_PSlasheri: have you seen roolku's AA patch for the DB?
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16:01:55SlasheriNico_P: hmm, yep. But i don't have any opinion about AA
16:02:04Nico_Plinuxstb: isn't the positioning already flexible enough?
16:02:41Nico_PSlasheri: do you think it's sane to keep an AA path in the DB for each track?
16:02:43linuxstbYou can't have icons/scrollbar on the right hand side for example - with a single viewport, the lines would scroll over them.
16:02:57Nico_Pah, right
16:03:46Nico_Pbut then it wouldn't be possible to specify a viewport to draw a list into, would it?
16:04:09linuxstbYes, but the list code then uses more viewports to split that viewport up into the different parts.
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16:04:52Nico_Pok
16:07:09Nico_Ptime for class again... later
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16:17:16SlasheriNico_P: well, that's what i am not sure about. At least i think that data shouldn't be loaded to ram at all
16:17:49linuxstbHow about just a code, saying how to create the artwork filename from the track filename?
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16:29:34draeathWhere was the page that shows the SVN build status? (and where the heck is it linked to? Can't find it)
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16:29:57GodEaterdraeath: go to current builds page
16:30:01GodEaterthen check the links at the top
16:30:55draeathhow did i miss that....
16:30:58draeaththanks GodEater
16:31:01GodEaternp
16:31:37draeathnext silly question: can I tell svn to exclude a file from updating?
16:32:14draeatha commit is causing me issues (submitted report) but the other commits would be useful for me
16:32:47GodEaterdraeath: you'd be better asking an svn channel that question...
16:33:41draeathright-o
16:33:57draeaththanks for humouring my newbieness
16:35:18linuxstbdreath: Just replace the file in question with the older version manually.
16:35:46linuxstbSo for example, make a copy now, then do "svn update", then move it back.
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16:37:05draeaththat would work
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16:37:24draeathkind of dirty but hey, it'll only effect me
16:40:01GodEateryou could probably make the file immutable too if you're running linux and on an ext2/3/4 file system
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16:53:06Erenhm, I think rockbox is not suitable for long usage iPod :\
16:53:34Erenit doesn't support deep sleep like original firmware, and so, battery is consumed a lot while on idle time
16:53:53linuxstbNo, you just turn it off...
16:54:05DomonokyEren: instead of deep sleep, rockbox shuts down the ipod, saves batteries..
16:54:14linuxstbUnless you're talking about the 1st/2nd gen ipods...
16:54:26Erenits 4g photo
16:54:33linuxstbThen yes, just turn it off.
16:55:00Erenhm, but something I've read tells that powering off iPod consumes more battery than actual code?
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16:55:47DomonokyEren: thats not true.. while running rockbox consumes more energie.. but not when shutdown.. :-)
16:55:57linuxstbYou mean the ipod consumes more power when off than when on?
16:56:04Erenlinuxstb: no
16:56:09Eren:)
16:56:20LambdaCalculus37Eren: I've never noticed that sort of behavior before on either one of my iPods.
16:57:06Erenhm, some guys also suggest not to use complicated themes
16:58:11linuxstbWell, if you want long battery life, a 4g (or later) ipod isn't a good choice with Rockbox - but it's getting better as more is discovered about the hardware.
16:58:48ErenI just use DGT Collection, which is great :) I think, it will effect battery usage, I also set dircaching
16:59:18Erenlinuxstb: hm, maybe right, but I can say that I'm happier with rockbox than originial ipod firmware
16:59:54Erenrockbox really provides soung quality, allowing bass, trable, balance is the best for me :P
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17:00:29PaulJami somehow doubt that the conplexity of a theme afects runtime noticeably.
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17:01:19Erenwhich platform does rockbox run efficiently on?
17:01:30ErenI mean, better sound quality, less battery usage
17:01:51preglowjhMikeS: really nice work on mpegplayer :)
17:02:19*LinusN agrees
17:02:49preglowthough i'm not really surprised when i see excellent work from you anymore :D
17:03:15Erenhm.. hackers :)
17:03:15jhMikeSpreglow: thanks much
17:03:33jhMikeSsuch a beast of a plugin that one is :)
17:03:49linuxstbNext step, integration into the core ;)
17:04:18jhMikeScould be done if core buffer allows codec-controlled buffer handling
17:04:42linuxstbDon't we want that for things like midi?
17:05:59krazykitEren, check the BuyersGuide wiki page: it lists the general battery life for the various targets.
17:06:08jhMikeSI think for that too. Things should be handled as abstract data properties in stead of discrete types like bitmap, album art, imo
17:06:19PaulJamare there still bugs with skipping back (so rebuffering is necessary)? my h300 just played a very loud and unpleasant niose in the middle of a song (i'm happy i didn't use headphones).
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17:08:26jhMikeSthings were put together with an eye toward handling different containers and stream types (ie. make the whole thing into "movieplayer"). it does that in a minor way now.
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17:09:45Erenhmm
17:09:57EreniRiver h100 16-18h :\
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17:10:37krazykitEren, or go for the 40-hour target ;-)
17:10:48Erenehh :)
17:11:18Erenkrazykit: is it an über hack, that machine's batters is much more bigger? :P
17:12:16krazykiti'm not really familiar with that one. there's a battery mod for the gigabeat F that's supposed to give you 24 or so hours
17:13:09petuririver + better battery also gives you 20+ hours
17:13:57pondlifepetur: Where did you get a "better battery" from?
17:14:17peturCameronSino 2300mAh
17:14:22pondlifeThanks
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17:14:36pondlifeDoes that need the connector changing too?
17:14:37Eren2300mAh, is it a capacity of a bettery?
17:15:07krazykityes
17:15:11ErenI think, my iPod's battery is 700mAh
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17:18:22pondlifepetur: How much was it roughly? I assume 2200mAh for £18 is expensive: http://www.batterymill.co.uk/products/mp3_players/iriver/iriver_h110-120-140-320-340.html
17:18:54peturI got mine in honkong
17:20:31peturone of these I think: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2200mAh-HI-BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340_W0QQitemZ260199396747QQihZ016QQcategoryZ86541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
17:21:30pondlifeThanks, same model I think
17:21:45pondlifeSo £20 inc P+P is expensive :)
17:21:58peturor this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BATTERY-FOR-iRiver-H110-H120-H140-H320-H340-MP3-tool_W0QQitemZ310013229620QQihZ021QQcategoryZ86541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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17:22:46peturlast one was a bad one anyway - only 1700mAh
17:22:59pondlifeDid yours have the correct connector/polarity?
17:23:27peturif you buy the iriver h1x0/h3x0 model, it should be ok - mine was
17:25:51LambdaCalculus37Ooh good... batterymill offers international shipping. :)
17:26:14pondlifeHaha, I've found an even more expensive place:http://www.batteryupgrade.com/products.php?categorieId=32665546
17:26:24pondlife£25 + postage
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17:26:38pondlifeAh, free shipping worldwide
17:26:45pondlifeBargain :)
17:27:26LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Those prices are madness!
17:27:39pondlifeIndeed
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17:28:49peturpondlife: fyi, I bought mine from a seller called "battery_centre" (sino_battery [at] yahoo.com.hk) - very happy with it
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17:40:38major_worksCan anyone help me with make errors occuring in mpegplayer.c?
17:42:39markunmajor_works: can you paste the errors in some pastebin site?
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17:44:11major_worksIt's only two... can I paste them here?
17:44:29GodEatermajor_works: please use a pastebin site
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17:46:11major_worksHere it is: http://pastebin.com/d24b9256a
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17:48:05*LambdaCalculus37 is reading the link from major_works
17:48:26LambdaCalculus37Lines 3 and 4 say it
17:48:42jhMikeSis this with some other patch applied?
17:48:56LambdaCalculus37Too few arguments to functions 'rb->font_get_width' and 'rb->font_get_bits'
17:49:22*jhMikeS wonders how that's happening
17:49:26major_worksYep. I have a few in there, mostly minor ones that I don't think touch that file.
17:49:37LambdaCalculus37major_works: Which patches did you try applying?
17:50:07major_worksI have Viewports, bmp resizing, and multifont, among others.
17:50:26major_worksSorry I don't know the FS #s off the top of my head.
17:50:27LambdaCalculus37What are the "among others"?
17:50:43LambdaCalculus37Can you go look them up again for us?
17:51:11pondlifeOr remove them one at a time until the problem goes away...
17:51:18major_worksThe battery charging one... one that opens up the line widths for the ID3 screen... a different text-editor keymap.
17:51:35major_worksOK... pondlife's suggestion seems best. I'll try it.
17:52:20major_worksPatches notwithstanding, I was wondering if the errors might be indicative of some other problem within mpegplayer.c.
17:52:22LambdaCalculus37major_works: Yes, I agree with pondlife.
17:56:41linuxstbmajor_works: I would guess the multifont patch is conflicting.
17:58:02major_worksThat's the first one I'm going to try removing. I'll come back after I try that.
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18:00:11major_workskugel: have you tried a build with multifont yet?
18:01:09kugelno
18:01:16kugelI was working on my todo list
18:01:34kugelstarted with the two main menu customizing patches
18:01:43kugelwhich I have finished
18:01:51kugelbut yesterday I got stucked with custom list
18:02:32kugelcan't sync it to viewports, at least not without loosing the list width feature
18:02:42major_worksI tried adding multifont along with Viewports and bmp resizing... seems to have caused issues with mpegplayer.c
18:03:03major_worksI'm waiting for a make to finish running without multifont
18:03:04kugelyea, there's a hunk missing in multifont
18:03:44kugelI spotted it and added in my private copy of multifont, however (I do not know why) tdooke doesn't seem know about that issue
18:04:01major_worksI'll post a note in the tracker. Thanks.
18:04:06kugelno wait
18:04:17kugelI'll just upload my multifont version soon
18:04:28major_worksOK, good deal. Thanks very much.
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18:15:18major_worksFYI... yep, it was indeed the multifont patch causing the errors in mpegplayer.c
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18:16:10draeathI would like to request write access to the wiki
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18:18:31LambdaCalculus37draeath: What's your name on the wiki so the boys can give you access?
18:19:36draeathwho would I PM? (i don't want to associate my nickname with my real name in public)
18:20:28draeathaah I'll suck it up.
18:20:30draeathPaulBransford
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18:25:19LambdaCalculus37draeath: One of the boys will fix you right up!
18:25:50draeaththanks
18:26:28scorche|wLambdaCalculus37: you cant?
18:26:48Domonokydraeath: should be done
18:27:19Domonokyeveryone with wiki access can... dreath: promise not to spam ! :-)
18:28:09draeathI promise! No spam from me!
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18:29:53LambdaCalculus37draeath: Remember: The only good Spam comes in a can. :)
18:30:03LambdaCalculus37Lunchtime... will be back!
18:30:05*LambdaCalculus37 is away
18:30:40draeathI would'nt even call that good, unless you slice it and fry it ;)
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18:34:10linuxstbkugel: Why would using viewports mean you lose the list width feature? Surely viewports would make that easier (you just define the width of the viewport...)
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18:34:36kugellinuxstb: No, I meant /I/ can't do it
18:34:47kugelby no way I meant it's not possible
18:35:22kugellinuxstb: I tried to define the width, and I got a list width
18:35:42kugelbut, right to the defined width weird things happen
18:37:34linuxstbOK.
18:38:32kugelthen I tried to create a new viewport for the right side, couldn't get it to work
18:39:05linuxstbWhat kind of weird things happened?
18:39:34kugelhard to discribe for a non-english-native
18:39:55linuxstbOK, I need to run anyway...
18:39:58kugelwithin the width everything was fine, but on the right there was nothing
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18:40:12linuxstbIsn't that correct?
18:40:33kugelwith nothing I mean, it looked pretty much messed up
18:40:49DerPapstpixelgarbage?
18:40:58DerPapstmaybe make a screendump?
18:41:20kugelit didn't show the backdrop properly, but artifact which looks like a mix of the main menu and the wps
18:41:29kugeland, this issue wasn
18:41:42kugel't only present in the menus, but also in the wps
18:41:43DerPapst*t
18:41:49DerPapstmeh... :-P
18:42:12linuxstbMaybe post a patch somewhere (e.g. pastebin) - it sounds like you're close, and it may well be a bug in my code, in which case I would like to investigate.
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18:42:40BuscheljhMikeS: did the mpegplayer speed up with your rework? i can see +5% for fps
18:42:42*linuxstb back later
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18:43:32BuscheljhMikeS: otherwise this is an effect of my local changes?
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18:44:31draeathJust added a new theme. Check the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200
18:47:14jhMikeSBuschel: Not sure. Would be good even though I mostly aimed to not slow it down. :)
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18:49:52LambdaCalculus37draeath: Original's license was CC-SA, so you should be okay.
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18:50:39BuscheljhMikeS: so you didn't test it?
18:50:53Buschel+5% is quite a lot
18:51:46draeathLambdaCalculus37, yea, I checked the licence out. Made sure to credit the author
18:51:48jhMikeSIt uses an uncached file buffer on portal player which could help it not evict other code and data
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18:54:45jhMikeSI just never saw a drop on anything. The FPS measurement is taken from the clock start point so it could be that too.
18:55:10Buschelthat could explain it
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18:55:37DerPapstBuschel: maybe download a current build and compare it to yours with the same video and settings?
18:55:38Buschelnevertheless, the searching function works nicely :)
18:56:20BuschelDerPapst: maybe I'll do this later this week. I am still busy with testing power consumption stuff
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18:56:30jhMikeSBuschel: the method would bias slightly on the low side however. I suppose time a video externally (stopwatch)?
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18:58:29draeathgotta run, thanks for hooking me up LambdaCalculus37, Domonoky
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18:58:40LambdaCalculus37draeath: No problem!
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19:04:57webguest75hello, someone in here who has the AS3514 datasheet? ..because i want do implement the alarm wake up feature for the sansa E200
19:05:31jhMikeSAS3514 doesn't have a wakeup alarm function
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19:06:43webguest75the feature overview says - > selectable alarm (seconds or minutes)
19:07:45preglowit probably just sleeps
19:08:04LambdaCalculus37Just looked at my c200... no wakeup alarm.
19:08:05*jhMikeS can look it over again but can't distribute that datasheet
19:09:32amiconnThere is no wakeup alarm in the as3514
19:10:00amiconnThe only thing the rtc can do as an 'alarm' is to fire an interrupt, either once per second or once per minute
19:10:43LambdaCalculus37amiconn: But as for a real wakeup alarm, there's no such thing.
19:10:55webguest75is 1 min. the longes periode for the interrupt? ...can a wake-up via interrupt be done?
19:11:06amiconnno
19:11:32jhMikeSyeah, just something almost useless :) It could be used in conjunction with a sleep mode in rockbox and a countdown if that gets implemented.
19:11:46amiconnInterrupts require the cpu to be running, and it's only either 1 int/sec or 1int/min. No other periods.
19:12:38webguest75if the wake via interrupt can be done than the feature can be implemented... there is no need of a prog. wake-up time... i time periode is all we need
19:13:23amiconnYou *can not* wake up a cpu with an interrupt if it's powered down
19:13:23webguest75to bad... :-( so it is not possible (without wake-up via int)
19:13:42jhMikeSunlike the pcf chips there is not power-on boot function
19:13:53jhMikeSautomatic anyway
19:14:21amiconnjhMikeS: Did you try drawing the grey wvs with buffered mode?
19:14:34amiconnWith the new greylib I mean of course :)
19:15:37jhMikeSamiconn: not yet but I'll give it a go soon
19:16:03*amiconn also hopes to speed up the greylib further, at least on cf
19:17:29amiconnBut first I need a gfx benchmark plugin...
19:17:46amiconnThat is, the update speed measurement could be integrated into test_fps
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19:23:07gevaertsHi. According to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison the decoding speed goes up when the bitrate goes down. Does this also mean that lower bitrate files give a longer battery life ? I'm using a Sansa c250 if that matters.
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19:27:22DerPapstyes.
19:28:20DerPapstyou can buffer more songs (not that important on the cs50 though) and the CPU doesn't have to boost so often.
19:28:32DerPapst*c250
19:28:44gevaertsThanks. I'll keep that in mind.
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19:29:33gevaertsAlso, as a data point : my c250 came in a box that says it supports audible, but it is a v1.
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19:43:44LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Did you purchase it as a refurb or brand new?
19:44:48gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: It should be new. You never know what happens behind the scenes of course.
19:45:29LambdaCalculus37Because when I purchased my c240, the first one I got didn't mention Audible support, but ended up being a v2.
19:45:55LambdaCalculus37Luckily the store I got it from accepted it as an exchange... just told them it didn't work. :)
19:46:02LambdaCalculus37The second one was a v1.
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19:46:43gevaertsI got lucky the first time.
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20:09:34LambdaCalculus37Hello, amiconn!
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20:10:33faemirHas there been any recent headway on the zen vision:m rockbox port?
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20:21:25bluebrotherhey, any thoughts about adding a warning to ipodpatcher / sansapatcher if it isn't run with admin priviledges?
20:23:16bluebrother(and later extending that to rbutil of course)
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20:26:06DerPapsti'm all for it.
20:26:24DerPapstand maybe a warning to close all programs that might access the ipod
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20:26:47DerPapstincase bl installation goes wrong because of that
20:27:01bluebrothermight be good too. I just recently tried to find a way to check if the user has the correct permissions.
20:27:32bluebrothercurrently I assume PhysicalDrive0 is always present −− and if the user has raw access to the Ipod he has raw access to that drive too
20:28:35amiconnThere should be a way to check global privileges
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20:28:47amiconnmsdn should have the answer
20:28:50bluebrotherbtw, has someone a quick idea how to get the group permissions of a file on linux?
20:29:21DerPapstchown?
20:29:38bluebrotherheh, right. But I wanted some C call
20:29:56DerPapst:-P
20:29:57bluebrother(and my internet connection is rather expensive, so I'm a bit short on googling myself)
20:29:59DerPapstdunno
20:30:22bluebrotherbut I could look for the sources of chown ;-)
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20:35:57gevaertsbluebrother: try stat()
20:36:30scorche|wanyone else want a 4 gig sansa for around 63USD shipped abroad? www.woot.com has them for cheap, and if i am going to order others to ship abroad, i might as well nab all orders now
20:37:00bluebrothergevaerts: thanks :)
20:37:37DerPapstscorche|w: heh.. no thANKS ;-)
20:37:47DerPapstmeh.. damn caps ^^
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20:53:24Nico_PjhMikeS: ping
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20:56:46jhMikeSNico_P: gnip
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20:57:38Nico_Phi! just a quick q: do you remember why you cut the default chunksize down to 16k in buffering.c?
20:57:54jhMikeSNico_P: more runtime for the codecs
20:58:09Nico_Pupping it to 32k seems to solve the playback glitches people are experiencing on ipods
20:58:28Nico_Pmore runtime? what do you mean?
20:59:12jhMikeScodecs get more chances to process audio
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21:00:09Nico_Pyeah but that's a problem at the very start of buffering
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21:00:37Nico_Pis there anything serious against setting it back to 32k?
21:00:40jhMikeSbecause the codec thread is bumped in priority no doubt.
21:01:46jhMikeSAll the devices I have did better overall with 16k
21:02:21jhMikeSWhich particular devices don't like 16k?
21:02:50Nico_Papparently some ipods... not exactly sure which
21:03:19Nico_Phow do you evaluate the improvement?
21:05:48jhMikeSbuffering time and relative fullness of both buffers and 16k won out on everything I've got. It's the initial PCM fill where buffering might not run enough. The buffering thread priority could follow the codec one and I suspect that problem would go away without sacrificing anything at other times.
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21:07:02Nico_Pyeah, would be nice. how do you suggest doing it?
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21:07:51jhMikeSNico_P: similar to what's done with voice I suppose.
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21:09:23Nico_Pok, I'll have a look
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21:32:06jhMikeSamiconn: I'll have to use greylib font rendering?
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21:32:36jhMikeSI guess there's no portrait grayscale LCDs though
21:35:00*linuxstb commits his viewport changes to the LCD drivers and prays...
21:35:22webguest33can viewports be uased as a conditional ? i.e. for album art ?
21:36:21linuxstbNo
21:36:36webguest33will it in future ?
21:36:36linuxstbBut maybe they should do - it's just not straightforward.
21:37:08webguest33only workaround I've found is using the margin
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21:37:21bluefoxicylatest rockbox won't boot on my ipod 60GB
21:37:28linuxstbMaybe. I think some way of reusing the album-art space is needed.
21:37:32bluefoxicyalso when I hold the play button it says Linux Error: -1 and then loads original firmware
21:37:34bluefoxicylinux?
21:37:51linuxstbPressing PLAY tells the bootloader to boot an ipodlinux kernel.
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21:38:26bluefoxicythis boots the original firmware though... ?
21:38:32linuxstbbluefoxicy: When did you last update (before today) ?
21:38:40bluefoxicy5 minutes ago o.o
21:38:47bluefoxicylast version was February 2007
21:39:10JdGordon|wwhy would you need to uyse viewports as a conditional?
21:39:25amiconnbluefoxicy: Then you might have an old bootloader
21:39:43bluefoxicyoh great. How do I put on a new bootloader
21:39:47webguest33if album art isn't present use the whole line
21:39:48amiconnIirc bootloader changed some time last year in order to support dual core operation
21:40:32linuxstbJdGordon|w: For tracks without album art - to span the space used by the album-art with text.
21:41:00JdGordon|wso you would use the vp in a conditional... but not as the condition
21:41:04*bluefoxicy can't find boot loader stuff on the site
21:41:38linuxstbJdGordon|w: In some way, yes. Or the x/y/width/height could be different based on the %C conditional.
21:41:59webguest33can that be done at the minute tho ?
21:42:17linuxstbwebguest33: No...
21:42:28webguest33ok thats cleared that up for me
21:42:30bluefoxicyah, found it.
21:44:03*linuxstb sighs with relief at the build table, now for the deltas...
21:44:11JdGordon|w:)
21:45:02bluefoxicythanks guys
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21:45:45preglowdeltas weren't too bad
21:46:40JdGordon|wyeah, not too bad... wait for the apps/ commits :)
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21:47:15bluefoxicywtf the backlight turns off immediately @_@
21:47:28JdGordon|wreset your settings
21:47:37bluefoxicyah there we go.
21:49:50bluefoxicyI have as of yet failed to figure out how to clear the playlist
21:50:09JdGordon|whold play
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21:52:42*linuxstb wonders why the min2g was so different to the mini1g...
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21:57:17peturmaybe some aligned buffer that moves to the next block?
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21:57:46linuxstbWhat number is actually being shown in the table, and how does that relate to the bin/ram figures shown in the title text?
21:57:49preglowlinuxstb: alignment?
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21:57:58Lloreanlinuxstb: I think the table is an average of Bin and RAM
21:58:13linuxstbReally? Why is that useful?
21:58:15preglowoh, that's not alignment
21:58:41LloreanI dunno, I just recall it being said that's how the numbers were chosen.
21:58:51peturhover over the value to see both
21:59:32linuxstbI am, that's what is confusing me... Does RAM include BIN?
21:59:58LloreanI would think it has to.
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22:00:06LloreanOtherwise the values seem even weirder.
22:00:42linuxstbLook at the mini2g though...
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22:02:24LloreanSomething must be messed up there.
22:02:38LloreanI mean, if the numbers were independent, the Archos wouldn't have but maybe 500kb of audio buffer
22:02:56JdGordon|wi didnt check the previous commit.. but sometimes the deltas show up one commit too late..
22:03:31linuxstbThat's true...
22:03:55linuxstbPrevious commit was just in mpegplayer though.
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22:11:15BagderJdGordon: right, when builds have failed to link...
22:11:37Hans-MartinjhMikeS: I'm trying to code some audio effects and found flanger.c in ThomJ's files on the net. Looks like a perfect starting point. However, it does not compile with the current rockbox sources. Do you have a newer version?
22:11:53preglowHans-Martin: i have a newer one
22:12:27Hans-Martinah, that would be great! I've tried a bit on my own but could get nothing but hang-ups...
22:12:43preglowhttp://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/flanger.c
22:12:54preglowi THINK that works, been a couple of weeks since i tried it, though
22:14:03Hans-Martinoops, I did not mentally associate preglow and thomj - now it makes more sense...
22:14:56preglowwell, i don't blame you...
22:15:20Nico_Ppreglow: that plugin applies effects to sound it gets through the recording code, is that right?
22:15:37preglowNico_P: aye
22:16:15linuxstbAny reason not to commit it?
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22:16:31preglowlinuxstb: no, i was working my way towards that, then christmas came along
22:16:32Hans-Martinwell that file flanger.c is the one I tried with the shiny new code (svn update 2007-01-04) and which does not work
22:16:44preglowHans-Martin: i just updated it
22:17:31jhMikeSthe latest version ought to work. the API has stabilized
22:17:49preglowit compiles fine here
22:17:59Hans-Martinok, I'll try to upgrade my source tree.
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22:19:17*jhMikeS wonders why he's not seeing a WVS :\
22:19:41preglowWVS?
22:19:52Nico_Ppreglow: I've had this idea of making a vis plugin, but looking at the oscilloscope and the pcm code made me even mroe confused
22:20:21jhMikeSpreglow: While Video Screen/While Viewing Screen :p
22:20:34Hans-Martinpreglow: still no luck. CC barfs: flanger.c:181: error: structure has no member named `pcm_set_monitor'
22:20:36Nico_PI'd need more than just peaks and have no idea how to access that kind of data
22:20:37jhMikeStrying greylib buffered mode for it
22:21:02preglowHans-Martin: well, i don't know what to say, i'm trying a freshly compiled version of it right now, works like a dream
22:21:06preglowHans-Martin: what target do you use?
22:21:23Hans-Martiniriver 120
22:21:52preglowsame here
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22:22:39Hans-Martinweird. I have to look up the API and see why the function pcm_set_monitor is not exported via pcm
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22:23:19jhMikeSthat shouldn't exist now
22:23:48preglowHans-Martin: you're not using my updated source
22:25:43Hans-Martinweird - you're right, but I thought that I downloaded it just a few minutes ago from the very same location...
22:25:59preglowcache problems? i updated it before i gave you the url
22:26:36jhMikeSamiconn: I'm using grey_xxx() functions and then grey_update_rect() so wth is there no drawing showing up?
22:26:38markunI made a patch to support database.unignore http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unignore.patch
22:26:41Hans-Martinand I downloaded it before you gave me the URL because I found it via google code search :-) Now I have the correct version
22:26:48markundoes anyone have an opinion on it?
22:27:18jhMikeSbah...think I spotted the reason.
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22:28:23Hans-Martinpreglow: thanks a zillion - it compiles, will put it onto the iriver in a minute or so...
22:29:26preglowi'm "remixing" a track using it and delay send right now, so i'll be kinda surprised if it doesn't work :)
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22:29:29Nico_Pmarkun: what is it for?
22:31:12markunNico_P: with database.ignore files you can prevent some dirs from being added to the database. With database.unignore you can overrule this and add a subdir somewhere in the ignored tree
22:31:45scorche|wlast chance for any devs who want to get in on the 4GB sansa train...
22:32:00Nico_Pmarkun: ah ok I see
22:32:02markunNico_P: I have a database.ignore in my root and database.unignore in my music folder (it prevents a lot of database.ignore files in many subdirs)
22:32:10amiconnjhMikeS: Forgot to init buffered mode?
22:32:17berndlhi everyone. i am looking to buy a SanDisk Sansa e250 which should be supported by rockbox as I have seen on the frontpage. Amazon lists the model-number of the player as: SDMX4-2048-E70. my question: since for this player only v1 models are supported i want to ask, if one can tell from the model-number if it's a v1 or v2 player?
22:32:22Nico_Pscorche|w: what do you mean?
22:32:37markunNico_P: one drawback is that all dirs are scanned, even if no files in them need to be added
22:32:41*Nico_P is asking a lot of questions lately
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22:33:08scorche|wNico_P: woot has another sansa up and a few want to use scorche's super shipping service to nab one
22:33:21scorche|wso, last call for anyone else
22:34:14*Nico_P ponders
22:34:41markuna guy at mygigabeat.com offered his F10 for sale because he couldn't get it to work anymore (software problems). I offered to buy it but he had solved his problem by installing a great program called 'rockbox' ;)
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22:36:26Hans-Martinpreglow: great - it works! There were some glitches (most likely audio gain too high so that I get clipping) but now I have something to tinker with!
22:37:22preglowi haven't implemented clipping yet :/&
22:37:24preglowit's on the todo list
22:37:29preglowcurrently it overflows and sounds like shit
22:37:36Nico_Ppreglow: is it possible to access the raw PCM data in a plugin?
22:37:40preglowHans-Martin: what kind of effects are you going to code?
22:37:45preglowNico_P: dunno, doubt it
22:37:47Nico_Pthe one from playback
22:37:49Nico_Phmm
22:37:53jhMikeSamiconn: no, it's set to true. I forgot to add each part to the dirty rectange but I still have weirdness. I suppose I'll work it out on coldfire first then do the nasty cache handling.
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22:38:45amiconnI'd probably just update the whole wvs rectangle. KISS.
22:40:52linuxstbBagder: Can you explain what the numbers in the delta table mean? Do you think they look correct for my viewports commit?
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22:41:50Bagderthe numbers are bin size and ram size
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22:42:02Hans-Martinpreglow: I wanted to build a plug-and-play effect box. Things like delay lines, LFOs, filters, etc that you could combine to yield effects such as flanger/phaser, reverb, wahwah etc
22:42:31Bagderand the log shows bigger numbers now so to me it looks like the math is correct
22:42:38KungfuJoeI've got a quick question for somebody who could answer dev questions for me
22:42:44Hans-Martinpreglow: don't know whether the CPU power would support such a thing, however...
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22:43:15KungfuJoeIs it possible to program rockbox in a different programming language (It looked like it was in C)?
22:43:24preglowHans-Martin: that's exactly what i'm planning :)
22:43:27KungfuJoeI'd like to code it in VC#
22:43:27BigBambiKungfuJoe: why?
22:43:30BagderKungfuJoe: the quick answer is no
22:43:44KungfuJoeAll I'm really proficient in is C#
22:43:46Bagderand VC# is certainly never gonna be possible
22:43:56KungfuJoeMight I ask why?
22:44:05preglowKungfuJoe: c# depends on .net
22:44:10KungfuJoeAhh, I see
22:44:20jhMikeSamiconn: I have rectangle union functions so that's rather simple anyway. It's the cache stuff. Perhaps I'll try it using uncached buffers which might not even matter. I'd like to be able to allocate _grey_info in any way suitable as well.
22:44:20BagderVC# is proprietary microsoft stuff
22:44:22BigBambiKungfuJoe: Think about the capabilities of the platform
22:44:22preglowKungfuJoe: and isn't even compiled to machine code straight away, it needs waaaaaaaaaaaay too much runtime
22:44:43KungfuJoeOk, what language is it in? Was I right about it being C, or is it in C++
22:44:44preglowBagder: not really, it's well standardized
22:44:50amiconn_grey_info is private to the greylib...
22:44:54BigBambiKungfuJoe: Mostly c
22:44:54Bagderpreglow: VC# ?
22:45:01Bagderyou mean C# and .net then
22:45:03preglowBagder: c#/.net/etc
22:45:03BigBambiwith some assembly its for speed
22:45:06Bagderyes
22:45:08preglowwhich is what vc# is
22:45:11BagderI spoke of VC#
22:45:12KungfuJoeVisual C#, using Microsoft Visual Studio
22:45:21LloreanV means "with Windows extras"
22:45:30KungfuJoe(which means "yay")
22:45:41Bagderafter all we know mono exists and works
22:45:48KungfuJoeSo what language does RB use?
22:45:51LloreanKungfuJoe: C
22:45:56preglowHans-Martin: that is, i'm planning to make something slightly more high-level than that
22:45:58LloreanWith hand optimized assembler bits here and there
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22:46:08KungfuJoeOk, guess I'll have to do some learning if I want to join the party
22:46:09BigBambi<BigBambi> KungfuJoe: Mostly c
22:46:13jhMikeSwhy can't I use my own allocation? I'd like it as NOCACHEBSS_ATTR and that would simplify everything.
22:46:19preglowHans-Martin: mainly just an effects rack where you can plug effects in
22:46:26KungfuJoeThanks for the info guys
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22:46:48Hans-Martinpreglow: have you looked at LADSPA? That one deals with 32 bit floats, which we certainly cannot do fast enough, but something similar would be ok
22:47:12preglowHans-Martin: well, yeah, but i don't want to introduce yet another plugin type to rockbox
22:47:54Hans-Martinpreglow: of course, I mainly thought about the standardized signal paths defined by the architecture.
22:48:19linuxstbBagder: So bin size is the size of rockbox.bin, and ram size is total ram usage (code, data and bss) ?
22:48:36preglowHans-Martin: i'm first going to rename flanger.c and make it contain more effects, that's for sure, the h120 is quite a powerful little bastard if you use it properly
22:48:39Bagderlinuxstb: yes, the ram size is taken from symbols in the map file
22:48:51Hans-Martinthe different effects could be compiled into just one effects.rock
22:48:57Bagderbasically (end - start)
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22:50:13linuxstbBagder: Then what about the mini2g - that shows a 972 byte binsize increase, but only a 176 byte ramsize increase... I guess alignment?
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22:52:20Bagderyes, I have no other answer. The numbers are from the rockbox-info.txt files in each zip
22:53:03Bagder"Actual size" is the bin size, "RAM usage" is the ram size in the table
22:53:20amiconnlinuxstb: All PP502x targets show rather odd delta values due to the usb stack's buffer being 2KB-aligned
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22:55:01linuxstbOK, I understand. It's annoying though, as it hides the real deltas...
22:55:06amiconnThat happens since the usb stack was committed.. strange that you didn't notice it earlier...
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22:55:40Bagderwe could possibly add more magic to the scripts to attempt to figure out "free space" within the ram usage
22:56:14linuxstbamiconn: I obviously never paid close attention...
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22:58:04*linuxstb wonders if there would be any advantage to allocating the aligned USB buffers at boot-time.
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23:00:33preglowdoubt it
23:00:52preglowyou'd just have more code, the losses thanks to alignment will still be there
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23:08:54billbeefhi guys
23:09:05billbeefim havin a bit of a problem with rockbox on my sansa e280
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23:09:45billbeefit freezes ALOT and for some reason it copies the file name more thn once so in stead of playin a track once it plays it 2+ times
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23:09:47Hans-Martinpreglow: I've got a few free days left before work starts, so I could spend a little time on the effects plugin. I'll try to write up some ideas and mail them to you and Mike. (and maybe I've got some time to implement a little, too)
23:09:57billbeef1 songs has been 'copied' as such 8 times
23:10:08billbeefcan anybody help?
23:10:15linuxstbHave you checked your filesystem for errors?
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23:10:21billbeefno
23:10:26billbeefhow do you do that
23:10:44linuxstbAre you using Windows?
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23:10:48billbeefyes
23:11:31*linuxstb looks around for a Windows user...
23:11:44Lloreanchkdsk /f or -f or something like that?
23:11:55amiconnjhMikeS: I'm not sure I understand. And NOCACHEBSS_ATTR means IRAM. Plugins shouldn't require IRAM just because they're using the greyscale lib.
23:12:23billbeeflinux wot do u suggest
23:12:27billbeefhow do u find out about errors
23:13:41billbeef?
23:13:42*stripwax waves to linuxstb ..
23:13:49*stripwax reads logs..
23:13:50Nico_Pbillbeef: I think that problem was fixed very recently
23:14:02Nico_Pwhat version are you using?
23:14:02billbeefoh like yesterday or sumthing?
23:14:05billbeefso il update yer
23:14:13billbeefim usin version....
23:14:17Nico_Ptoday or yesterday, not sure
23:14:23billbeef080106
23:14:33billbeef?
23:14:48stripwaxbillbeef - that's yesterday
23:15:08billbeefyesterdays update?
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23:15:21Nico_Pbillbeef: I just checked. the fix was committed today so you should update
23:15:38billbeefok with the problem where the filename is copied more thn once
23:15:42stripwaxSomeone was asking about this yesterday too
23:15:46billbeefshud tht be fixed whn i install new software#
23:15:49stripwaxyes
23:15:56billbeefok
23:15:58billbeefil try it
23:15:59billbeef2 ticks
23:16:09preglowHans-Martin: sounds good
23:16:16stripwaxbillbeef - please use real words like "should" and "when" - many of the people on this channel are not native English speakers
23:16:18jhMikeSamiconn: of course it shouldn't require it but it leave no choice in the manner of allocation at all
23:16:19dionoeaBagder: is the http://download.rockbox.org/-/ hardlink to http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ there on prupose? or is that somekind of legacy from a command line typo?
23:16:28billbeefok sorry
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23:17:03jhMikeSamiconn: still getting black junk with white speckles even on H120. any idea?
23:17:35amiconnWell, since I don't know your code, I don't have an idea
23:17:53stripwaxBuschel - (for the logs) - I'm hearing pops and crackles with that latest patch on the 24MHz->80MHz transition (turning on PLL causes lost audio samples perhaps?)
23:17:58Bagderdionoea: must be a typo, I removed it now from the master
23:18:06stripwaxadded a note to your patch
23:18:06amiconnThe buffered drawing functions do work, as you can see by compiling the greyscale test plugin
23:18:45amiconnstripwax: Wouldn't surprise me.
23:18:47stripwaxsoap - did it work ok for you? I gave it a whirl with several codecs and plugins
23:19:11jhMikeSI just made buffered to true when initializing, the replaced common drawing with grey_xxxx (via the lcd_() macro). Guess I'll keep trying to find some big oops.
23:19:30dionoeaBagder: thanks. I also wanted to know if you planed on keeping all the old builds or if you had something like a 2 month limit
23:19:47amiconnCold-starting the pll probably needs significantly longer to lock-in than just reprogramming it
23:20:01Bagderdionoea: the master only holds 30 days backlog with builds
23:20:19billbeefyer working fine now guys thank you
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23:20:35amiconnjhMikeS: Any bitmaps involved? Forgot to change some colour constants?
23:20:52dionoeaBagder: hum, my rsync line must be crappy
23:21:00*dionoea runs man rsync
23:21:01jhMikeSconstants are check. only bitmap is the status icon
23:21:10Bagderdionoea: I thought −−delete would fix that...
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23:22:17dionoeawell looks like it doesn't :/
23:22:20stripwaxamiconn - seems plausible. does the PLL code have just a busy wait loop that keeps checking until the PLL is up?
23:22:38amiconnNot only that, it also stops the other code
23:22:42stripwaxyep
23:22:57soapstripwax, buschel (logs) - I had no trouble - only had a chance to play four albums, all MP3 APS - No skipping, even while buffering (I thought you had reported that, stripwax) - and scrolling through a long list in the file browser caused less skipping than my build from a month ago did - though I realize that is not a scientific comparison.
23:22:58amiconns/code/core/
23:22:59amiconn(that's necessary according to jhMikeS' tests)
23:23:41stripwaxamiconn - it needs to disable all interrupts/fiq's/whatever too?
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23:24:00amiconnfiq is kept running iirc, but irqs are disabled
23:25:02stripwaxsoap - not really skipping in my case - just what sounds like missed samples. So in a silent period, you won't hear anything, and in a loud passage you'd probably miss it, but somewhere in between you might catch something. if you still have your sine wave test, try that and see if it crackles for you?
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23:25:34jhMikeSwe're talking about clock switching? without the delays it's data aborts all the way. All interrupts are disabled during the actual switch and reenabled during the lock.
23:26:07soapahh - stripwax - I will try that. And you are still getting that behavior?
23:26:29stripwaxsoap - not 'still' - only with the latest (v6) version
23:27:27dionoeaBagder: ah, looks like there are permission errors on /cygwin/2007-11-21/* which make it skip file deletion
23:28:07stripwaxjhMikeS - yep. so dropped samples sounds likely if PLL needs extra time after being re-enabled (which sounds plausible)
23:28:22amiconnjhMikeS: Not sure what lcd() macro you're talking about - the code in svn doesn't seem to use such a macro
23:28:31Bagderdionoea: indeed, me fix
23:28:40dionoeathanks
23:28:52stripwaxsoap - btw - the audio skipping on initial buffer that I mentioned before is (afaik) unrelated to Buschel's work on power consumption
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23:30:45dionoeaBagder: awesome :) It works
23:30:53Bagderah, great
23:31:10dionoea5GB less (not that i needed them ... but still)
23:31:17jhMikeSstripwax: dropped samples? the interrupts are reenabled during the lock loop (I'm not that dense :p).
23:31:41stripwaxHm, turning on the old switch only seems to flip one bit of the DEV_EN registers - I'd have thought there'd be at least two (opto and PLL). Although I've not really read the patch :)
23:31:43soapso, constant sine waves the best way to listen for dropped samples?
23:31:46dionoeaBagder: this was puzzling me http://stats.videolan.org/rrd/1A-disks.optftp.png
23:31:56Hans-Martinbye folks... need some sleep
23:31:57jhMikeSamiconn: it does in video_out_rockbox.c but it hides rb->lcd vs. grey_ when possible.
23:32:10Bagderdionoea: yeah I can see why
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23:32:23Bagder2007-11-21 that dir was made...
23:32:28amiconnjhMikeS: Isn't it mpegplayer.c whic does the wvs drawing?
23:32:29stripwaxjhMikeS - this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379 . Dropped samples when transitioning from 24 MHz (with PLL disabled) -> 80 MHz (with PLL enabled)
23:32:30dionoeaindeed :)
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23:33:44jhMikeSamiconn: yes, but now I'm switching it to use buffered drawing instead of reinitializing greylib. I now have a WVS though not perfect so I've not tracked down everything yet.
23:33:50stripwaxsoap - certainly better than white noise :) maybe a low-frequency sweep would be better
23:35:29stripwaxor if you use a constant sine and record the output to analyse it after
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23:44:48jhMikeSthat's totally wrong to change that. which even core changes the frequency must suspend the other
23:44:55jhMikeS*which ever
23:45:34stripwaxjhMikeS - regarding Buschel's patch?
23:45:50jhMikeSall setting of that register must also be follow by a nop since it will also execute the following instruction in the pipeline
23:49:00jhMikeSscale_suspend_core should be left alone. scale_suspend_core(false) must be called before relock loops and I see that's been removed in places too.
23:49:50jhMikeSThe PLL_STATUS relock bit never seems to actually get set on PP5024 anyway (only checked that particular one).
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23:52:44wisphey rockboxers... i have a problem, to which i haven't been able to find any solution: When i go to "database" it asks me to initialize the databse, i click yes, and it then hangs on 0 found. I have rebooted multiple times, and i have checked that all the tags are okay. I've even tried with only a few songs on the ipod, which i know are okay. Any solution available?
23:53:32stripwaxjhMikeS - I'll post a link from that patch in the track to this irc log :)
23:55:08stripwaxwisp - are you running the current build or a build from yesterday/older? sounds like a bug that was fixed earlier this afternoon. try a current build
23:55:36stripwax^like^like it migh be related to
23:55:37wispstripwax, i downloaded the build a couple of hours ago, but i will try a new one
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23:56:34jhMikeSstripwax: those delays also serve as critical sections so one core can complete a section of code without interruption before the other times out.
23:57:00stripwaxwisp - interesting, could be a new bug in that case.. will see if I can reproduce
23:57:08*soap is embarrassed his tin ear didn't pick up the missing sample.
23:57:20stripwaxsoap - ah, you hear (/see?) it too?
23:57:32soapI haven't tried yet with sines.

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