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#rockbox log for 2008-01-09

00:00:15advcomp2019meyl, you are able to replace the hard drive.. read the wiki on hard drive replacements
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00:06:04bertrikI disabled setting of lowest 3 bits in DEV_IN in as3514.c but the debug menu still shows that the bits are set
00:06:26bertrikCould it be the bootloader that sets them? I haven't updated it yet
00:07:46saratogabertrik: where are you disabling them?
00:08:12bertrikI'm not actively disabling them, just updated the code to not set them
00:08:37bertrikok, maybe I should make a test to actively clear the bits
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00:17:37bertrikactively clearing bit0 of DEV_EN worked, the IO ports debug screen shows it's indeed disabled and the sansa still works fine
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00:25:06evilnickOK, have bitten the bullet and ordered one of those 120GB Samsung drives now I hope and pray that it'll fit my Gigabeat F!
00:25:20BigBambiI await the report with interest
00:25:25evilnickWill report back when it arrives, which should be 10th or 11th.
00:25:37BigBambiCool, I'd love one myself
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00:26:25evilnickI'm only hoping that I'm doing the right thing. Ah well, nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that.
00:26:29evilnickbye all
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00:30:06*Nico_P has another bugfix ready: FS #6215 :)
00:31:34*Llorean likes bug fixes.
00:32:58jhMikeSevery time I load a plugin on H120 all text output dies now :\
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00:40:25*jhMikeS hasn't updated to viewport changes while working on other things but decided to plunge in
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00:40:56*amiconn managed to reduce greyscale isr cpu load on archos recorder from 71% to 55% !
00:41:41jhMikeS\o/ Does that potentially translate to others?
00:41:58amiconnAt least to coldfire (H1x0 and M5)
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00:45:06amiconnAnd to Ondio, of course ;) lcd_grey_phase_blit is now only slightly slower than plain lcd_update
00:45:24amiconn(lcd_blit(), i.e. old graylib, caused 48% cpu load on recorder)
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00:50:40Lloreanhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleasePlanning ? Do people have thoughts?
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00:53:14Nico_PLlorean: maybe mention how the branching could be handled (if needed)
00:53:31LloreanI don't know enough about Git.
00:53:50LloreanI just know it'd be really nice to have as easy a method to pick and choose what advancements during the freeze go in and which don't.
00:53:52Nico_PLlorean: I mean in SVN, for release branches and tags
00:54:34linuxstbLlorean: Starting at the end, I'm not sure downloadable release packages are feasible, given the number of combinations of targets, optional packages (voice, doom, themes etc) and platforms rbutil runs on. I think it would be easier to just have "Version 3.0" listed as an option in rbutil, and just tell people to download rbutil.
00:54:53Lloreanlinuxstb: If we go the rbutil path, that's definitely the better plan
00:55:24LloreanBut there really aren't that many combinations. I think we should include doom, extra fonts, all "official" themes (ie, ones in SVN which we do anyway) in one zip if we decide rbutil isn't ready.
00:55:26Nico_PI think we should still have a basic set of packages
00:55:33LloreanSo it's still one package per target.
00:55:39LloreanPeople shouldn't be downloading the "release" more than once anyway
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00:55:45Nico_Pindeed
00:56:51linuxstbYour wiki page says "every file needed for installation" - I assumed that included the installer tools?
00:57:08LloreanIf we go the ipodpatcher/fwpatcher/whatever route, then yes.
00:57:26Domonokythe problem with not using rbutil for the release is mor the bootloader install... ( ie bootloader for h120/h300 on linux.. (no binarys aviable)..
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00:57:35LloreanThe iPod Nano build would be ipodpatcher, fonts, doom, and rockbox.zip, and manual.pdf, basically.
00:57:43linuxstbDomonoky: Yes there is - mkboot.
00:57:56Domonokyah... i forgot about those tools...
00:57:57linuxstb(and scramble/descramble IIRC)
00:58:02Domonokyi rebuilt them in rbutil.. :-)
00:58:05LloreanI'd _much_ rather use rbutil.
00:58:20LloreanI'm just saying that if we don't, we should have a "single download" path for 3.0 users.
00:58:24Domonokybut rbutil would need more testing to use it for a release..
00:58:36Nico_PI'm having a doubt about what I just committed... it works but how come I'm allowed to change one of the args?
00:58:43linuxstbLlorean: Even if that means #targets * #host OSes ?
00:59:28linuxstbBut anyway, let's hope rbutil is OK for the release ;)
00:59:33LloreanYeah
00:59:37LloreanRight now let's hope RButil is okay.
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01:00:17LloreanI just think one-package is useful for helping to keep the articles about Rockbox that are sure to pop again point to the right stuff, and ONLY the right stuff, since they only have to direct people to one file.
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01:02:07LloreanCould rbutil be stripped down as a release installer? Remove anything that could confuse it, or introduce bugs, and concentrate on the core "Get Rockbox, put Rockbox on player, do bootloader" bits?
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01:03:17DomonokyLlorean: could be possible, but its a bit work...
01:03:32LloreanWell, I'm just presenting ideas at this point.
01:03:42LloreanYou RButil guys will need something to do during the freeze anyway. :-P
01:03:46amiconnhrrrm
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01:04:07Domonokyi thinkt it would be enough if the small and complete install options are throghout tested... the the user onaly has to press the first buttons... shouldnt be too hard.. :-)
01:04:12LloreanBut right now, I just want to collect ideas on what's necessary, in general terms, to handle a release.
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01:12:47preglowLlorean: i don't see why we would need to strip it down, just pronouncing the install feature would do
01:12:55preglowlike a big "install rockbox" button on the start screen
01:14:29LloreanQuite true.
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01:16:13ArinothYour configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation dialog will now open to allow you correcting the problem." anyone else get that problem before with trying to run rockbox on ubuntu?
01:16:30Arinoththe rockbox utlity i should specify
01:16:58DomonokyArinoth: just configure rbutil, thats normal for the first start of rbutil..
01:17:25Arinothbut no matter how many times i configure it , it says it again and again
01:17:53Domonokythen its a bug, and it somehow doesnt save the config..
01:18:29Domonokycould you open a bug in the patch tracker, and describe it as exactly as possible, please ?
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01:23:24Nico_Pamiconn: can you tell me whether it's wrong to do an affectation on an argument? I did it in my latest commit and I'm having doubts
01:23:51amiconnA what?
01:24:20Nico_Pchange an argument's value
01:24:39amiconnYou mean within a function?
01:25:05Nico_Pyes. in my latest commit, offset is an argument of the current func in both cases
01:25:23amiconnAh, yes
01:25:38amiconnOf course you can. This has no effect outside the function, only within
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01:25:59Domonokyyou are allowed to change the value of parameters, you only have to be carefull of the effect..
01:26:00Nico_Pthat's what I thought, but I just wanted to check it wasn't a bad practice
01:26:13amiconnI'm doing this very often...
01:27:05Nico_Pok then all good :)
01:27:47amiconnIt helps saving quite a few local variables..
01:28:18amiconnThe compiler would optimise them away anyway if they're not needed, but it also means less writing :)
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01:31:37Nico_PBagder: have you tried getting rockbox into scan.coverity.com?
01:33:13kugelwondering why MPEG_SCROLL_UP is needed in mpeg_settings.c
01:33:55kugelthere's no reason, except assigning two buttons for 1 action (in/decrease start time per 1 second)
01:34:34kugelit does the same as MPEG_LEFT/RIGHT, however if you didn't define MPEG_LEFT/RIGHT you can't compile
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01:40:12amiconnkugel: Is it the same on all targets?
01:40:32kugelwhat do you mean?
01:41:02kugeldefining MPEG_SCROLL is optional, it does the same as MPEG_LEFT which you need to define
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01:41:30kugelLEFT/RIGHT
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01:42:11kugelbtw, a recent commit to brickmania broke scroll wheel support for e200
01:43:04amiconnAh, that MPEG_SCROLL_UP/DOWN is a set of alternate buttons
01:45:28amiconni.e. convenience
01:47:37kugelpretty confusing
01:47:54kugelused that for scroll wheel for e200, and got a compile error
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01:54:16amiconnlinuxstb: ping
01:55:38kugeldoes somebody know why pixelma removed the scroll wheel support for e200 in brickmania?
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01:56:19JdGordonaccident maybe?
01:58:11linuxstbamiconn: ?
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01:58:31amiconnlinuxstb: There's a nasty bug caused by viewports on H1x0
01:58:59amiconnAfter running a plugin, viewports are messed up so that you can't use the browser and menu at all
01:59:25linuxstbjhMikeS: I've just tried your new mpegplayer for the first time. Very nice, but I have one suggestion - some kind of indicator to show that seeking is happening.
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02:00:06linuxstbamiconn: You mean when running an existing plugin (one that doesn't touch viewports at all) ?
02:00:12amiconnyes
02:00:25linuxstbIs it just the h1x0, or is that the only target you've tested?
02:00:41amiconnIt doesn't happen on recorder
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02:00:48amiconnDidn't test other targets so far
02:00:53JdGordonkugel: im guessing a missunderstanding of the code.... try copying the SCROLL_() stuff from ipod and see if that fixes it
02:01:05kugelallready did that ;)
02:01:23kugelgonna include that in my upcoming version of scroll button renaming
02:02:24JdGordonthat fixed it?
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02:02:33linuxstbamiconn: My guess would be it's a greyscale issue, the fg/bg patterns going wrong... I'll have a quick look now.
02:02:47jhMikeSlinuxstb: Why should I provide more than any other video player? I think I'll loosen up threading in there but splashing things could get annoying. Perhaps an indicator on the WVS?
02:02:48amiconnNot all the viewports suffer
02:02:49JdGordonkugel: what names are you using for the new buttons now?
02:03:00kugelstill counter and clock
02:03:04amiconnRight after exiting a (non-viewer) plugin, the browser looks normal
02:03:08kugelit's up to you to find better names
02:03:28linuxstbamiconn: There is only one viewport at the moment - the default one...
02:03:31amiconnBut as soon as you start moving, the text vanishes. Icons remain, but also disappear gradually on further movement
02:03:34kugelanyway, you basically just need to search&replace within the diff for changing the names
02:03:34JdGordoni thought SCROLL_CLOCKWISE and SCROLL_COUNTER_CWISE or something was aggreed on?
02:03:56kugelw/o BUTTON before?
02:04:04*jhMikeS just tried solitaire on H120 and moving in the list results in all text disappearing
02:04:18jhMikeSmoving after exiting the plugin that is
02:04:54JdGordonwtf?
02:05:18linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, I was thinking of something in the WVS. Other parts of Rockbox show a splash (for example, I'm not saying use a splash in mpegplayer) to show blocking activity.
02:05:53JdGordonkugel: well.. its not really a button
02:06:04JdGordonjhMikeS: paged scrolling enabled?
02:06:18jhMikeSJdGordon: nope, I never use that
02:06:27*Nico_P is tempted to close FS #7471. It's not easily reproduceable and predates MoB
02:06:39JdGordonjhMikeS: ok, checking this out
02:07:12kugelI actually suggested that (more as a joke though), however rasher wrote on the tracker "All buttons are prefixed with BUTTON_, we don't want to change that."
02:07:23preglowNico_P: well, have you managed to reproduce it at all?
02:07:42jhMikeSGoing back into a plugin also has menus broken after that point. Splashes continue to render.
02:07:44kugelwhich is also the last official statement on the tracker, I don't know if there was further discussion in the meantime
02:07:59Nico_Ppreglow: I find the description confusing and the reporter states that he couldn't reproduce
02:08:14JdGordonjhMikeS: nice and easy to reproduce... any idea when this started?
02:08:39preglowNico_P: then close it
02:09:07jhMikeSJdGordon: I just updated today and I didn't have any VP code in my tree until just hours ago.
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02:10:13JdGordonim not entirely sure its a VP thing... unless this is the first you've seen of it
02:10:21*amiconn wonders what he's doing wrong on cf :/
02:10:53JdGordonworking in asm at 2am probably isnt a good idea :p
02:11:59jhMikeSJdGordon: The last tree I had had no VP code so it's some time after r16013
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02:12:11amiconnEither I made a fundamental measuring error, or my new block-packed grey_phase_blit is *slower* at 45MHz, but faster at 124MHz. wtf??
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02:12:54kugelJdGordon: So what's up with SCROLL_CLOCKWISE and SCROLL_COUNTER_CWISE, I actually never heard of that idea
02:12:59JdGordonjhMikeS: it works in the e200 sim but not the h100.. so im thinking its a remote problem I introduced a while ago when i fiddled with the list... funny noone has mentinoed it before though
02:13:23amiconnJdGordon: I think it has to do with vp
02:13:34*linuxstb too - the h140 sim doesn't even run...
02:14:04JdGordonkugel: bah i meant BUTTON_CLOCKWISE, BUTTON_ANTICLOCKWISE
02:14:13JdGordonok... im hapy to not have caused it :)
02:14:41JdGordonh140 sim is runnig fine with
02:14:49kugelwell, ok, gonna change my patch to that asap and uploade
02:15:05amiconnHmm, maybe my measurement was kinda wrong, but not because I overlooked a clock change...
02:15:48amiconnjhMikeS: Did you notice that the new greylib causes more graininess than the old one on H1x0 if the cpu is not boosted?
02:16:22amiconnI guess the new one (in svn) needs too long for one update so that it skips one timer period, and update frequency is effectively halved...
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02:18:24amiconnyeah, that must be the solution...
02:19:43linuxstbamiconn: I can recreate in the sim, so that makes it easier to fix...
02:20:35jhMikeSamiconn: I haven't tried it unboosted. Will mandelbrot run it unboosted?
02:21:03amiconnMandelbrot dynamically boosts while calculating
02:21:21kugelJdGordon: uploaded new version, though I seem to be an illiterate (refering to a) b) c) c) d) in my comment)
02:21:59jhMikeSamiconn: mandelbrot looks quite nice
02:22:09JdGordonkugel: what manual changes are needed?
02:22:53*amiconn needs a different way for testing cpu load of th egreylib
02:23:05kugelActually I haven't looked even once into the manual code, however the "first oops commit this year" reminded me of the manual
02:23:18jhMikeSH120 isn't exactly prone to graininess with it's slow pixels :\
02:23:30amiconnWell, my H140 is grainy
02:23:47JdGordonkugel: you mean change the button name in the manual also?
02:23:52amiconnAnd measuring a CPU load of 46% @124MHz, but just 50% at 45MHz can't be right
02:24:55kugelI'm not really sure, but in the manual code there's stuff like ButtonScrollDown
02:25:08kugelprobably needs changing too
02:26:18*linuxstb still doesn't see a problem with the current ipod button names...
02:26:37JdGordonthey are ambiguous...
02:28:01amiconnThe new version shows a CPU load of 31% @124MHz, 75% @45MHz, and no more graininess
02:28:17amiconnThat makes much more sense in fact
02:31:41linuxstbJdGordon: I don't agree - forward/clockwise and backwards/anti(counter)-clockwise are interchangable in my mind, and fwd/back are nice short abbreviations.
02:32:10amiconnCW / CCW
02:32:21JdGordoncw/ccw is typo prone
02:32:22amiconn;)
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02:35:52tapiocapuddingis there a way to get my ipod to connect to the comp and just charge and not go into the disk mode do not disconnect?
02:36:12kugelI think it's funny, those scroll names revealed many different opinions among the dev crew ;)
02:37:20JdGordonwith this many people its fairly likely we wont agree on everything
02:37:47JdGordonlinuxstb: is there any reason to not put a viewport struct on the stack if its not used for text at all?
02:38:31kugelJdGordon: sad, but true
02:39:23linuxstbIf it's not used for text, why have a viewport at all?
02:39:24kugelI just fear ending up with this bad names button_scroll_up and _down
02:39:35linuxstbBut no, I can't see a problem with that.
02:39:47linuxstbIt's just the scrolling lines that need access to their viewports.
02:40:24JdGordonfor the scrollbar in the list, I've realised breaking the display into a vp for everything makes drawing simpler
02:40:41JdGordonwell.. almost everything..
02:41:51JdGordonim building RTL startight into the new list drawing to prove how useful vp's are :)
02:42:03amiconndamn sdram on cf... but now I know how to fix all this :)
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02:44:48*safetydan still argues for CW / WDS (i.e. Widdershins)
02:44:52JdGordonhttp://rafb.net/p/bwkxhK67.html <- the logic for the scrollbar... not very much changed, but that should display fine on the left or right with no changes to the other viewports :)
02:48:43*JdGordon kills whoerver thought it would be nice to use 1,2,3 for the global_Settings.cursor_style instead of an enum
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02:51:44*jhMikeS plans his evil VP "enhancements"
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02:59:37linuxstbJdGordon: Have you tried not using viewport_copy(), and just doing plain struct assignment?
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03:00:56JdGordonlinuxstb: no, im still using the copy...
03:01:13jhMikeSviewports should really be thread local or else bugs will reign in the long run
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03:02:28JdGordonapart from a tsr plugin (who ideally would be told which viewport to draw into) where would any drawing happen outisde the gui thread?
03:04:06jhMikeSanywhere potentially and it's already in the scroll thread. mpegplayer is a multithread/multicore lcd user too
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03:06:29*linuxstb found the h140 bug (a typo...)
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03:12:07LloreanJdGordon: I forgot all about long term maintenance, but yeah, I definitely agree with that.
03:12:09*jhMikeS wonders if he can get a patch test on a PP502x greylib target but thinks that uncached buffer use there should work ok.
03:13:21jhMikeSLlorean: with what?
03:13:42LloreanjhMikeS: In regards to a release. I forgot all about thinking about minor versions afterward.
03:14:11LloreanI sent a mail to the -dev list. I'd like to at least finally try to get the ball rolling toward at least defining what we want from a release process.
03:14:35JdGordonits not really a good time now though....
03:14:41JdGordonfor a release I mean
03:14:57linuxstbIt never is...
03:15:13JdGordoncombination of vp just going in and people having slightly more free time...
03:15:37LloreanWell what I'd like to do is get the feedback on this page.
03:15:42linuxstbApart from in the WPS, I don't think there's any urgency for viewports to be used more widely.
03:16:02LloreanThen, once it's streamed down, we can set a list of specific "to-do" before the freeze and a date to freeze on.
03:16:05jhMikeSa rock-solid playback engine design has to be there
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03:17:56LloreanjhMikeS: I actually disagree. I'd love "bug free", but I think the key is actually "usable, with bugs unlikely to affect the majority, and those bugs that do exist documented." That being said, I'm not even sure how many "major" playback bugs we have left. Or rather, reproduceable ones.
03:17:58jhMikeSand remove crossfade :p (have I said I hate that feature?) :)
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03:18:29LloreanjhMikeS: I mentioned on the page that *I* personally at least, wouldn't object to the disabling of "problematic" features.
03:19:15LloreanFor example, in the case of crossfade, if the quirks that cause problems can't be worked out, just remove it from the menu. Don't waste time on cleaning out the code, there's no real reason to do that, since it'd still be in SVN builds.
03:19:23jhMikeSLlorean: true, but it's just a nasty one from so many angles, not from an existing bug standpoint
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03:19:40JdGordondid i leave my edit in the wiki about that not definatly being a viable option?
03:19:49JPereiraanyone own a e280v2?
03:19:50LloreanjhMikeS: For a release though, we just need to think about the "user's point of view" angle, nothing else.
03:20:00LloreanJdGordon: Yeah
03:20:10JdGordonwe could of course disable the setting in the release...
03:20:15LloreanJdGordon: It's not going to always be possible to remove a feature, but it should always be possible to keep a user from enabling the feature.
03:20:22JdGordonsnap
03:20:26LloreanHeh
03:20:43DogBoyJPereira, what
03:20:44jhMikeSit's just that the threading use is sloppy and causes endless strangness and non-uniform timing bugs
03:20:53JdGordonyeah, dead simple to "remove" the setting from the users POV
03:20:56JPereirado you know when rockbox will be available for e280v2?
03:21:00LloreanThat's more what I had in mind. "Cover up the buggy bits, keep them out of site, and make the release 'the best of what we've got'". Concentrate on a working, usable firmware first.
03:21:12Lloreansight
03:21:28LloreanJPereira: Nobody's started any real work on it. It'll happen when people who own the players get organized and work on it.
03:21:28JdGordonJPereira: not for a while
03:22:57JPereiraSansa e280 v2...It seems that rockbox hasn't been ported to it yet...I was just wondering if anyone knew what
03:23:07jhMikeSLlorean: some things that control the playback don't even operate properly 1) the plugin control 2) stopping/restarting when enabling certain features (like crossfade)
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03:23:56LloreanjhMikeS: So we work on them, and if we can't get them working, we keep the user from using them in the "Release" version.
03:24:42JPereiradamn....I'm a web programmer and know C...but I<ve never fiddle around with firmware and whatnot...but if only someone could get me started with it... Id be glad to
03:25:35jhMikeSLlorean: I'm not sure just rewriting the thing would be that hard. It's big but it's not hard to churn out big code if a good plan is followed from the start.
03:26:03linuxstbJPereira: This is the general guide - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort There has already been some discussion about the e200v2 - see the thread in the New Ports forum.
03:27:26jhMikeSJdGordon: the old menus allow hooking of keypresses, right? do the new ones? I really need that for trapping system messages in mpegplayer in order make sure things are saved.
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03:28:13LloreanjhMikeS: Well, I'm just trying to come up with fallbacks. Last feature freeze, we basically had the option of "Freeze forever, or cancel the release"
03:28:29LloreanI'd like to have another plan, such as "Start scrapping things until what's left is usable, or nothing"
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03:30:23kugelLlorean: What's your opinion to my latest scroll button rename version? I basically renamed them to BUTTON_CLOCKWISE and _ANTICLOCKWISE now
03:31:28Lloreankugel: I haven't looked at it. I'm really mostly indifferent beyond "there should be consistency for 'scroll' naming on all rotational targets"
03:31:42JdGordonjhMikeS: yes
03:31:50JdGordonyou need to implement the callback thing
03:32:51jhMikeSLlorean: I suppose that's why the poll but I hate band-aiding up weaker code rather than replanning and reimplementing it to be strong from the beginning.
03:33:44LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, but if you can't get the replan/reimplement done in time for a release, do you scrap the release, or continue the freeze?
03:33:49jhMikeSJdGordon: not sure if I'll try convering mpegplayer to that just yet but at least I can take the callback approach and keep it for later.
03:34:12LloreanThat's what happened with the playback rewrite. We tried to fix the playback engine, and the freeze just went on, and on, until nobody was working on getting out of the freeze, and nearly everyone was working on the side.
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03:34:58jhMikeSLlorean: I guess that's a priority thing re: what holds it up.
03:35:19LloreanYeah
03:35:20JPereiralinuxstb: thanks for the link and info... :P
03:36:26LloreanBut as I said, I'd like to get a bunch of feedback, and put together a plan for "assuming we ever release again, what are our plans and what are we willing to sacrifice if we end up having to"
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03:36:54LloreanBecause frankly, we could almost get away with slapping a 3.0 on a current build, as long as it boots on every player, and we clearly documented the known bugs.
03:37:03*Llorean wouldn't recommend going that far
03:38:57jhMikeSmpegplayer work has brought about enough ideas on how to handle things regardless of number of cores or other variables. some of that got into the voice thread work.
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03:44:33saratogaif anyone wondered, the retail sansa firmware uses 35.7ma during idle, and 47.7 to 51 ma with occasional spikes to 90ma during LAME VBR playback
03:45:08jhMikeSthe good thing is that it exemplifies a case when hard thinking about accomplishing a task in one place can result in something being applicable to another and code generated from that in but few hours
03:45:12Lloreansaratoga: So we're pretty close?
03:45:44saratogayeah i guess we use less power at idle then they do
03:45:58saratogathough i don't know what clock frequnecy they idle at
03:46:18LloreanWe use more when active though, or why do we still have worse battery life?
03:46:23saratogaerr, we will use less once toni's patch goes in anyway, and assuing we keep idle at 24MHz, if we go to 30, then they'd be ahead
03:46:39saratogai'm not sure what we use in mp3 playback, i'll check in a few
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03:52:28AtreusDoes anyone have a moment for a quick question?
03:52:52jhMikeSwas that the question? :p
03:53:08AtreusI am hoping to install RockBox on my 4G (greyscale) ipod, but I don't know if my griffin iTrip will still work on it
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03:53:14Atreusit's the kind that plugs into the top, not the dock
03:53:31Atreusi was wondering if (a) it can work, and (b)if it requirse any effort to make it do so :/.
03:55:19*jhMikeS is gonna just unload this mpegplayer greyscale code and deal with the torches and pitchforks if that happens
03:55:37saratogaload power consumption is bounces between 36.1 and 56.2 or so as it boosts and unboosts with the most recent patch (v7)
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03:56:01saratogai'd say we're now beating the retail firmware, at least for lame aps
03:56:02Atreusi guess that means no one knows the answer to my question since i didnt get any response? :v
03:58:28LloreanAtreus: There's an accessory compatibility page in the wiki, though I don't know the URL
03:58:37Atreusoh, crap :/
03:58:48rvvs89Atreus: That will work with any 3.5 mm socket
03:59:46Atreusrvvs89: are you saying yes
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04:00:18LloreanAtreus: Does it just use the headphone jack, and nothing else?
04:00:28Atreusheadphone jack, and the uh...small other port right next to it
04:00:32Atreusdon't know what it's called, sadly
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04:00:43rvvs89Oh, that's the serial port
04:00:44saratogafor some reason power consumption stays quite high for about 10 seconds after the backlight flips off on the sansa
04:00:45rvvs89So no
04:00:51saratogaany idea idea what could be running?
04:00:54Atreuscrap
04:01:01Atreusi was really hoping to switch to rockbox :argh:
04:01:02saratogathe unit is dark so its not a light, but its using a heck of a lot of power
04:01:06rvvs89(Unless it's only using it as a power source?)
04:01:25Atreusyeah, power source iirc
04:01:37Atreusunless i am looking wrong, it -seems- like the wiki is saying it works
04:01:40Atreusi just found the page finally
04:01:49Atreushttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories griffin itrip <check>
04:03:54Atreusalrighty..crossing fingers and installing rockbox :D
04:03:58Atreusdirectory-structure here i come :p
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04:05:09AtreusSorry about asking a question that was already answered in the wiki, I usually try hard not to do that
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04:05:18AtreusI didn't see that page, however and a search for itrip showed nothing
04:05:23AtreusI know it's probably aggravating
04:06:24Soapdid you look at the photos, Atreus? There are two iTrip models which use the 4th gen's remote jack (on top of the player) - the one with the LCD screen does not work. I included photos of all the iTrip models because their names are so freaking confusing.
04:06:43AtreusYeah, mine's the non-lcd version :)
04:07:04Soapthen you should be cool.
04:07:08Atreusawesome
04:08:57AtreusAlright, i guess i'll part and if you dont see me back in here it means my ipod's good to go for my trip :V
04:08:58Atreusthanks :)
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04:09:58futuristi dropped my h10 and now i think the hd is toast−−is it practice to buy/install a new hd?
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04:13:38Soapfuturist, we have a wiki page on that, too! http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
04:14:11Soap5/6GB, or is it the 20GB player futurist?
04:15:15SoapIf it is a 5 or 6GB one, I have two comments, both relating to the fact it uses a microdrive. 1 - It's bloody hard to kill a microdrive by dropping it. 2 - if it is dead - you can drop in a compact flash card and upgrade your player for relatively cheap.
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04:23:27Soapsaratoga, thanks so much for the DMM tests of buschel's patch. I was curious if you also tested older versions of the patch?
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04:27:38SoapThe reason I ask is because my runtime tests (on an iPod) with v2 of the patch are still far worse than original firmware (with Lame VBR) - and v3-v5 of the patch weren't expected to affect power consumption. I guess the real question is - did v6 perform that much better than v5 (performance as in power consumption) or is the Sansa original firmware just that much more power hungry than the iPod's?
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04:31:40futuristsoap hey sorry i got a phone call, lol
04:31:42futuristit's a 5gb
04:31:55futuristwell i dropped it, then it said system files missing right after
04:32:05LloreanIt could just be dislodged.
04:32:11futuristand ums bootig it doesn't show as a drive letter
04:32:13futuristLlorean oh
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04:35:59saratogasoap: i think the sansa firmware is inefficient, since they have a 750 mah battery but only claim 20 hours, while the nano 1G has a 300mah battery but claims 14 hours
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04:37:30saratogaat the nano's claimed efficiency it should get 35 hours (though the larger screen and somewhat different hardware probably play a part in the difference)
04:38:05saratogai don't have an ipod >3G to test, but i bet its still a bit below the apple firmware
04:39:05Soapthanks for your time, and for the tests.
04:39:42LloreanDo we have power draw numbers for "dividing work as evenly possible between two cores" vs "running one core hard and keeping the other shut off"?
04:39:50futuristSoap lol, according to that page, none of the suggested drives use the seagate 4-way connector
04:42:48saratogaLlorean: I don't think we ever got far enough to do that
04:43:06saratogathough my test is just mp3 with the screen off and no other effects, so I think the other core would be asleep anyway
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05:31:06kleinmaetschkeHey community, I'm having a little trouble running ipodpatcher on my 5.5g video. Running OS X, Leopard. Can anyone spare some time to talk me through it?
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05:44:02psycho_maniacis there a feature freeze coming soon? just curious
05:46:09LloreanThere's not one planned.
05:46:27LloreanBelieve me, we're not going to sneak up on you with it.
05:47:50psycho_maniaci only ask because i noticed some good bug fixes and then seen the ReleasePlanning page. Usually there is something in the mailing list or in the project news on the main page correct?
05:48:20psycho_maniacWhen was the last feature freeze? I cant even remember.
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05:48:48SoapJdGordon had a mail on the dev list in response to Bagder's musings on the subject in his blog: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog (always a good read)
05:49:40LloreanSoap: I posted a mail to the dev list too, on a similar subject
05:50:54*Llorean wonders if he should add "ride herd on these nutty developers until they make a release" to his new years resolutions.
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05:53:50Soapyour goal is to herd cats?
05:55:19LloreanClearly I'm somewhat insane as well, yes.
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06:33:51JdGordonnote to self.... display->update_viewport() is probably good thing to add :p
06:35:25JdGordongrrr
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06:40:07JdGordonhow do you get gdb to run to the next line of code past the function its about to jump into?
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06:54:07JdGordonladies and gentlemen!!!! we have a viewported list control :D
06:54:20JdGordonwith only a few minor drawing glitches :p
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07:05:30LloreanJdGordon: Does this mean that just defining a viewport with different parameters allows arbitrary list positioning?
07:05:50JdGordonumm.... yes
07:06:01JdGordonit will draw the list into whatever parent viewport you want
07:06:16JdGordon... well it will once i fix the bugs
07:06:22JdGordonicons arnt playing nice
07:06:29LloreanAh
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07:11:11JdGordonhmm...
07:11:30*JdGordon just realised RTL langs will need a bit of work in the lcd driver to work properly
07:16:06JdGordonhail to the king baby!
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07:18:08JdGordonit freeking works :)
07:19:16JdGordonhttp://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2he6.png
07:19:39JdGordonthe first is full screen, the 2nd is half width and half height... the 3rd is moved into the middle a bit
07:20:07JdGordonthe scroll bar would be shown if the sansa didn have such a big screen :p
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07:26:14LloreanJdGordon: Will it work properly with backdrops?
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07:27:10JdGordonI'm not sure how vp handles backdrops
07:27:25JdGordoneither way... right there is the custom margins patch
07:27:33LloreanYeah
07:28:12JdGordonI tihnk your stuck with the one main backdrop for now...
07:28:17LloreanSee, I know VP used to handle backdrops by just always showing the backdrop if one was set. But then at some point there was mention of being able to have viewports with independent background colors in the WPS, and I don't know if that happens, and if it translates to the menu
07:28:40LloreanI don't care about number of backdrops. But I'm just worried about whether you'll get the backdrop, or the background color, within the menu viewport
07:28:43JdGordonyes, each can have different colours
07:28:55JdGordoneach vp that is
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07:29:05JdGordonI thought you meant backdrop bmp
07:29:16LloreanI do. Backdrop BMP vs Background Color
07:29:28LloreanBasically, in your current picture, I know the original bootsplash is showing because the full screen isn't updated
07:29:37LloreanBut the text area has a blue rectangle because that's the background color
07:29:46LloreanIf you set a background image, would it work properly, or still have the blue rectangle?
07:29:55JdGordonah, dunno..
07:30:24davidfg4JdGordon: Are you now going to make options come up in little windows, instead of covering the whole screen?
07:30:33JdGordonthats a possibility
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07:31:32LloreanThat might be interesting. Options spawning a list equal in width to their longest item, in a viewport aligned to the right side of the screen, or something.
07:32:05JdGordonthat first suggestion is impossible...
07:32:50LloreanHm?
07:33:04JdGordonhow do we find out the length of the longest item?
07:33:07JdGordonits all dynamic
07:33:24LloreanDepends on the list, but most are either numeric, or short and walkable.
07:34:04LloreanBut it could just be an arbitrary width
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07:35:25JdGordonhehe.. I think I just found a bug with th old list code... it doesnt display the title icon in the setting screens!
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07:38:30davidfg4Question: If I defined a variable in apps/settings.h, how can I access it from firmware/usb.c?
07:39:56JdGordonyou cant
07:40:00davidfg4oh
07:40:07davidfg4that's what I thought
07:40:12JdGordonyou need to add a function in usb.c which can get/set it
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07:42:35*JdGordon not 100% sure about what to do with the RTL positioning code i've added to the drawing
07:43:07JdGordonwithout the lcd driver drawing the text rtl the list looks sily
07:43:47davidfg4silly in what way?
07:44:23JdGordonicons and scroll bar on the right, but the text is still left justified
07:45:27LloreanWhy is it still left justified?
07:45:36LloreanI thought we already had code for L/R justified text?
07:46:36JdGordonwe do?
07:46:49LloreanI dunno?
07:47:00LloreanI mean, we had a L/R justification WPS tag, I kinda assumed it made use of something like that.
07:47:25JdGordonI havnt checked... but my guess is thats the wps playing with offsets...
07:47:51LloreanHow was RTL text handled previously then?
07:49:45JdGordonit isnt
07:49:52LloreanAh, well then
07:49:53JdGordonits always drawn ltr
07:50:22LloreanYou could always cheat. Just mirror all the characters in the font, and completely mirror the display. :-P
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07:50:38JdGordonbut that wouldnt be showing off viewports :p
07:51:50LloreanBut can viewports really make this any easier?
07:54:46JdGordonyeah
07:55:00JdGordonthe worst part about rtl was everything is backwards
07:55:09JdGordonwith vp, the only thing backwards is the text
07:55:14JdGordonwhich shouldnt be too hard to fix
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08:43:33JdGordonnew port in before the freeze?
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08:52:43GodEaterJdGordon: which one ?
08:52:55JdGordonmr100 by the looks of it
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09:03:17*JdGordon wonders if anyone ever uses the screen scrolling thing in the lists
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09:16:55LinusNJdGordon: "screen scrolling"?
09:17:44JdGordonumm.. when I think you hold lieft/right the names of all the items are shifted so you can read long items
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09:18:41LinusNi do
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09:19:06LinusNbut admittedly not very often
09:19:31JdGordonok, it can probably stay then
09:19:43*JdGordon trying to cut corners :p
09:20:40LinusNwell, i don't really see that as a high priority feature
09:21:16LinusNbut i can imagine it being useful on some targets with narrow displays
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09:45:00linuxstb_Bah, where did JD go...
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09:54:36leftrightI have rtfm, with Replay gain enabled, if "Track if shuffled" is selected, does that mean that RG uses "Album" mode if shuffle is off ?
09:55:17markunyes, it should
09:55:33markundoesn't it work?
09:56:32leftrightwell, some of my albums are louder than others and I have RG'd my entire collection as mulitple albums, so i'm wondering
09:58:40markunin album mode, some songs can sound louder than others because it now changes the volume of all the tracks in an album by the same amount, not sure if that's what you are hearing.
09:59:38leftrightno, one Album is louder than the other, and the RG info is in the tags, I've verified with Rbox's id3 info, and I have ensured that the comments field doesnt have garbage
09:59:39markunFor me it works really well, but I have some albums where the volumes differ very much (the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack for example)
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10:00:34markunwhere the replaygain tags added with the same tool?
10:01:05leftrightyes all with Foobar,
10:01:30leftrighthmm, must be my ears that are hearing things then
10:01:55markunI had some problems with wma files I replaygained with foobar, but thought it was something I did wrong maybe.
10:03:10leftrighthmm, I'll RG the entire collection again, see if it makes a difference, it just takes so damned long to do 40 gigs on the player
10:03:11markunperhaps there is a problem after all either with foorbar or rockbox
10:03:33markunwhy not just experiment with 2 albums where you can hear a big difference?
10:04:19leftrightthanks, I've tried that, but I'll try again, maybe I'm doing something wrong
10:05:27markunif you still can't fix it, maybe you can make some problematic examples available for some devs to look at?
10:06:20leftrightok, will do so, just to clarify, if RG is selected on, and no mode is selected, what does it default to ?
10:07:50markunalbum
10:10:34leftrightthanks, later
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10:28:46*amiconn wonders how compiling the mrobe100 build should work
10:29:00amiconnconfig-mrobe100.h is missing from the commit...
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10:41:42markunamiconn: perhaps it was simply forgotten in the commit?
10:42:36broomHello. I'm browsing through the RB sources and see that in config-e200.h, the symbol CONFIG_LCD is defined as LCD_X5. How can this be? The screens on that devices are definitely not the same since they have different dimensions.
10:46:43linuxstbHave you read the comment above that line in config-e200.h?
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10:48:22Zagoralso look at what this define is used for. LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT are defined separately
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10:50:22broomZagor: I must admit that I haven't looked at what it's used for. But I just thought that it's better to keep the definitions separate and clear. Or, it they are shared, then some other names (without model name inside, but rather feature oriented, if that is what matters) should be used.
10:52:41Zagormost CONFIG_LCD defines are named after the controller type. but afaik for X5 we don't know the name of it. hence it's just called "X5". same with H300.
10:53:29amiconnIn this case it actually means the controller. And it's used in different, contradicting ways...
10:54:05amiconnAnd the controller is the same in e200 and X5 - Renesas HD66773
10:55:07broomWoundn't the name "LCD_CONTROLLER" fit better then?
10:56:01amiconnThing is, it's not always used that way
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10:56:31Zagorit's not used very much at all
10:56:35amiconnThe macro can probably be removed with some tweaking. Needs investigation.
10:56:37broomOr introduce a new symbol and use it where the old is used *that* way
10:57:38broomThen it will become clear whether the old one can be eliminated
10:58:57pondlifeAnother Windows user seems to be attempting to build voice files using VBS :/ Anyone object if I remove the non-working VBS stuff from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding ?
10:59:42pondlifei.e. the entire Using Windows section
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11:00:39pondlifeI guess I'll just clear it up, if anyone objects they can revert.
11:00:41amiconnpondlife: The 'Using Windows' section needs to be rewritten
11:01:06pondlifeIt should just say "Use Cygwin" ?
11:01:16pondlife(or VMWare)
11:01:21amiconnThere are a few more details
11:01:35amiconnLike, how you use sapi voices
11:02:17pondlifeI've no experience with SAPI4, but for SAPI5 you just set the current voice in Control Panel, right?
11:02:24amiconnAnd I wouldn't use vmware for voice generation if I have access to windows+sapi5 ...
11:02:31amiconnNo, you don't
11:02:43amiconnYou select the voice via the tts parameters
11:03:08pondlifeSo, is there a method to generate voice files without Cygwin/VMWare?
11:04:13amiconnno
11:04:36amiconnAt least not yet - maybe rbutil will get that feature
11:04:49pondlifeOK, so it's basically (a) Set up SAPI parameters (b) Use Cygwin..?
11:04:59pondlifeI know about (b), but not about (a).
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11:25:13markunmy are the forums so unresponsive from time to time :(
11:27:10webguest96Hi guys, just a quick question - When the USB stack is completed for the iPod (or some other milestone), are there plans to move the "boot into Apple firmware" option to a more out-of-the-way place? It's just that I mostly have the hold switch flicked on before I plug it into a computer, as it was probably just in my pocket.
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12:41:53Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
12:43:00CasainhoI need help on TWiki... - can someone chage the name of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockBoxPlayer ?
12:43:12Casainhofor "RockboxPlayer"....
12:46:19DomonokyCasainho: why would that be needed ?
12:47:06Casainhobecause the name is "Rockbox" and not "RockBox" :-) - I made that mistake :-)
12:47:50Domonokyi think thats not really important, work on more important things.. :-)
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13:13:15Casainhookok
13:14:35CasainhoTouchscreen?
13:15:13Casainhothere is some hardware for Rockbox with touchscreen? - because I have a dev board with one... I would like to know If It would be interesitng or not?
13:15:57GodEaterthe m:robe has a touchscreen allegedly
13:20:45peturI think JdGordon has done some work on touchscreen interface already
13:21:14markunCasainho: nice response from Olimex!
13:21:31markunalthough a player with 2-3 buttons is very unrealistic if you ask me
13:22:46CasainhoOlimex:
13:22:50Casainho> hmmm, let see how our SAM9L9261 board will turn out, 320x200 LCD with
13:22:52Casainho> touchscreen looks like perfect to show all Rockbox features
13:23:21Casainhomarkun: thats why I am asking about touchscreen :-)
13:23:31markunis it 320x200 but still 4:3?
13:23:54markun(non-sqare pixels)
13:24:06markunor did you mean 320x240?
13:25:25DomonokyCasainho: the olimex board sounds nice, and they are willing to produce it if we have working prototypes.. yay.. :-) but we would need more buttons, and wireless isnt needed... (which wireless technik is nRF24L01? )
13:26:02Casainhosoory - I am busy right now.... will talk later
13:26:26Casainhowe can have our player, lets work to that! :-)
13:29:18markunDomonoky: I also don't really understand what it could be used for. Are you looking at the bRF24L01 webpage?
13:29:28markun(nRF24L01 of course)
13:30:23markunmaybe to have 2 RockboxPlayers communicating with eachother?
13:30:39Domonokyi just read it up.. its proprietary 2,4 ghz wireless..
13:31:32CasainhobRF24L01 was sugested by Olimex guy
13:31:33Domonokyso only useable for communication between rockboxPlayers or for accesorys
13:31:51Casainhohe likes the idea of sharing music files :-)
13:32:09Domonoky:-)
13:32:21markunIt's used in this project for example: http://www.openbeacon.org/
13:39:06CasainhoLinusN: can you do the same for "RockboxPlayerV1" TWiki page? :-9
13:40:27LinusNwhat is wrong with that name?
13:44:04Casainhooh, mistake :-) is ok, you made it ok :-)
13:44:10Casainhothank you :-)
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13:52:03*DerPapst wonders if 8/16MB Sdram is enough though...
13:52:14DerPapstCasainho: nice work so far :-)
13:52:48CasainhoDerPapst: amount of SDRAM were already discussed
13:52:54Casainhohere :-)
13:53:25markunCasainho: what would be the extra price of 64MB?
13:53:36markunis it going to be a flash player?
13:53:39Casainhowell, that are just minimum values
13:53:51*Domonoky is working on voice generation in rbutil, and i would need the features file for every target and a copy of the apps/langs folder aviable on the website, so rbutil can download it.. would that be possible ?
13:53:58Casainhomemory for files on external falsh disk!!!
13:54:22Casainhoyes, flash player, this V1 version
13:54:36markunwould it be difficult to add HDD support? with the same board, or is that not very practical?
13:54:44DerPapstCasainho: must have missed it. but i thought 32 is best for minimum.
13:55:24*DerPapst would love 2,5'' S-ATA support to pop in one of these 823GB solid state flashdrives once they're cheap enough :-D
13:55:30Casainho4MB can be ok
13:55:42DomonokyDerPapst: h100 has only 16MB, and no problems.. so 32MB is not needed... (you get longer batterylife with more ram)
13:55:47Casainho8 MB thinking in future
13:55:59Domonokybut for a flash player ram shouldnt be this important
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13:56:36Casainhomarkun: HDD can be done after 1st version
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13:57:12CasainhoI think there will be the need to make more than one version :-) to adress things like Flash or HDD player :-)
13:57:38DerPapstdunno how big the effect on the cost would be for more ram.... but if it's only 1-2USD i think more ram should be such a big issue
13:58:47DerPapstand if you want to make a HDD version it would be easier and cheaper to make a board which already has 32MB so you don't have to change it for the HDD version... :-P
13:58:50rvvs89Woah, designing a player specifically for rockbox, I seem to have not been paying close-enough attention
13:58:57DerPapsthehe
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13:59:05peturwill there be line-in (recording)? That could use some ram to buffer for the codec...
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14:04:56Domonokyarg, we have to many different target strings for the same plattforms.. (only small variations, but it makes live hard..)
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14:05:50Domonokyfor example the features file doesnt include the target string, and its another targetstring than used for voice filenames.. or for the rockbox build filenames.. :-/
14:06:53*Domonoky also notices, that there is no e200r in rbutil, is there any difference to an e200 if the r is converted ?
14:08:01DerPapstat least for the bootloader
14:08:11DerPapstbut not for the rockbox build
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14:08:31DerPapste200 and e200r are running the same build.
14:08:41Domonokybut sansapatcher just handls the bootloader, independend of r or not ?
14:09:03Domonokyso its not needed to differentate the in rbutil..
14:11:07DerPapstuumm no. iirc the bootloader installation differs. You have to use e200rpatcher in order to install.
14:11:48DerPapsthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation <−− for more information
14:12:03Domonokyi will take look...
14:13:37Domonokyups no sansapatcher for e200r... this means work for rbutil...
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14:41:34loklaanhey everyone
14:41:53loklaananyone know of usb hosting from an iaudio x5?
14:42:09loklaani tried looking for something about this but to no rewards
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14:44:12loklaananyone?
14:45:12peturyou mean using the usb host function of the x5?
14:45:26loklaanyes
14:45:30peturrockbox does not support it
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14:46:04loklaando you know of an unofficial patch?
14:46:19peturno
14:46:30loklaanok thanks
14:46:33loklaanhmm
14:46:53loklaanjust that the original firmware doesnt recgonize me camera
14:47:14loklaanand i wanted to idk, load the camera driver into the player
14:47:15peturuse a cardreader
14:47:28loklaan?
14:47:54peturan usb cardreader that works as UMS
14:48:12loklaansorry i dont know what UMS is>
14:48:14loklaan?*
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14:48:39peturthe reason you camera is not recognised.... UMS = universall mass storage
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14:49:31loklaanso i can use a sd card and put that into a card reader, reader into player?
14:49:41loklaancool
14:49:43peturthe firmware will only talk to UMS devices, and your camera isn't. Put its memory card in a usb cardreader
14:49:51loklaanahhh
14:49:59loklaanok thanks heaps
14:50:05peturbut a multi-cardreader will be a problem
14:50:09loklaanmy sd card should arrive in a week or so ;]
14:50:26peturthe firmware will only see the first card, and it can be the wrong one
14:50:51loklaanthats ok, its not a multi cardreader
14:51:22loklaananyway thanks and bye bye ^_^ have fun for the next two hours, anything after that doesnt have my blessing!
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15:27:52low_lightBagder_, Zagor: build server needs a kick
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15:51:03broomThe last commit by Linus should also fix FS #8424
15:51:37LinusNbroom: thanks
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15:55:15broombtw: wouldn't it be a good practice to tell the svn r-number when closing a bug report (if it was closed with a fix)? That way it would be better track'able.
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16:00:27low_lightcan someone spot what I've missed in mrobe 100 port...when compiling, it's not "making" the bitmaps (it was fine in my old tree)
16:01:26markunlow_light: according to amiconn the config file is missing
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16:01:59markunor is that not the problem?
16:02:01low_lightIt's been added...I forgot "svn add"
16:02:09markun10:29 < amiconn> config-mrobe100.h is missing from the commit...
16:02:22markunah, I see
16:02:24markunsorry
16:03:46Domonokyis there a way to know why a voice file doesnt work ? ( rbutil can now generate a english.voice fine, but deutsch.voice isnt working) ..
16:04:19preglownot without debugging, i imagine
16:04:42Domonoky:-/
16:05:45GodEaterpresumably the sim would be good enough
16:05:46LinusNDomonoky: the simulator should help you
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16:06:36DomonokyLinusN: are there any outputs if voice doesnt work ? , or should i debug the sim ?
16:06:58LinusNthe debug output might give you some clues
16:07:08Domonokywill try..
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16:07:35LinusNbtw, what does "doesn't work" mean here? total silence?
16:07:47Domonokyyep, total silence..
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16:10:01Domonokyi probably missed some feature of genlang .. ( why is this tool in perl.. c would be so nice to reuse.. :-) )
16:11:02LinusNDomonoky: i was thinking of making genlang as a cgi script on rockbox.org
16:11:08broommarkun: I think this should be written somewhere in the rules.
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16:11:52DomonokyLinusN: that would be really nice... rbutil could use this, and wouldnt need the lang and features files.. :-)
16:12:01LinusNexactly
16:12:16LinusNlet me think about that
16:12:16DomonokyLinusN: go go ... :-)
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16:19:19amiconnlow_light: Btw, mrobe100 is b&w, right?
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16:30:38low_lightamicon: black & red :)
16:30:44low_lightred backlight
16:32:27amiconnThen I wonder why the lcd driver (a) does contain an (empty) lcd_yuv_blit(), (b) doesn't contain an lcd_grey_phase_blit()
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16:33:08amiconnWithout the latterm it shouldn't even compile (plugin.[ch] exports it for targets with depth < 4, so it needs to exist)
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16:34:59low_lightwell, the svn code doesn't compile anyway ;)
16:35:31low_lightit's not making the bitmaps, so it fails while building apps
16:36:50low_lightI don't see what's wrong and what I missed from my old svn tree
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16:42:31*Domonoky is now eagerly awaiting LinusN s cgi genlang, because my rebuild of genlang in rbutil makes problems.. :-)
16:43:29LinusN:-)
16:43:45LinusNdon't hold yopur breath, i'm extremely busy right now
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17:01:55waldoLittle question, can i charge my sansa c200 by just putting 5Vdc on the right usb pins ? or do i need a more expensive sollution to charge it without a pc ?
17:02:55Tuplanollayeah, i think so. but at least 500mA as it's the max you can get out of usb IIRC
17:04:00kugelj0tt: ping
17:04:10waldoTuplanolla: tnx, ..off to buy a cheap tranfo then :)
17:04:20Tuplanolla:)
17:05:02amiconnYou need stabilised 5V
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17:07:40bluefoxicyGuys my ipod won't turn on
17:07:59bluefoxicythe battery is dead and plugging it in doesn't turn it on. With rockbox on there it's been not going into charge mode when I plug it in.
17:08:05bluefoxicyany ideas?
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17:15:52peturbluefoxicy: I think you need to leave it in the charger for some time
17:16:44bluefoxicypetur: it's been there since last night
17:17:11peturthen no idea - not an ipod owner
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17:17:37linuxstbbluefoxicy: Try holding MENU+SELECT to reset it. This is a common bug in the Apple bootloader code...
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17:18:37ender`this happened to my sister twice, and it wouldn't start charging - had to be serviced
17:18:57bluefoxicylinuxstb: thanks.
17:19:13bluefoxicylinuxstb: it says battery is 80% full o_o
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17:21:35linuxstbIt's apparently been reported on ipods without Rockbox installed. It's just that Apple's firmware doesn't power the device off very often (just suspend), so it's not as noticable.
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17:26:44scorche|wGodEater: erm...did ice die?
17:29:06GodEaterit's still pinging...
17:29:34GodEaterand I just ssh'd into it ok
17:30:17scorche|wGodEater: yeah..it pings fine, but can you access the irc page?
17:30:28GodEaterhaven't tried
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17:31:32GodEaterlooks like the www server is goneski
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17:33:00amiconnThat %&/# fnarfbargle.org is still not multilib patched :(
17:33:59scorche|wGodEater: lemme know when it is back up...no rush if you are busy
17:34:50*petur wonders how it looks if a www server goes to ski
17:35:00GodEaterscorche|w: you'll probably know before I do - I don't use ice much
17:35:27scorche|wi like my drinks dry too
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17:42:53BigBambiLlorean: Did you see the forum search is not working?
17:43:10LloreanBigBambi: Yes, unfortunately that's one of the problems I can't do anything about, I have to wait for others
17:43:30BigBambiNo probs, just checking
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17:46:35markunlooks like an SVN conflict: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/italiano.lang?r1=16033;r2=16034
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18:01:17preglowDomonoky: isn't it possible to have more than one window in a .ui file?
18:02:15Domonokyi dont know, i dont think so...
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18:14:11jhMikeSpreglow: Is your ipod mini a grayscale one?
18:14:37saratogaLlorean: would it be possible to make the patch tracker sort by fs# by default?
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18:15:25peturLlorean can do little about that, Zagor is the man.
18:17:28preglowjhMikeS: it's a nano :)
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18:18:56jhMikeSah, that's right. just looking for a tester on a grayscale PP502x target to test a patch since I'm uncertain what the effect will be.
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18:22:29preglowall minis are grayscale anyway
18:22:33preglowamiconn has one
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18:30:46kugellinuxstb: You wanted to see my current custom list progress, didn't you?
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18:32:05Canardohi everybody
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18:32:15markunhi Canardo
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18:32:42CanardoI ask me something about rockbox. Could someone try to give me informations ?
18:33:19DerPapstjhMikeS: there are no not b&w minis ;-)
18:33:46*DerPapst too late
18:33:49DerPapstwhatever
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18:34:56DerPapstCanardo: nope. i doubt that woks.
18:34:57JdGordonkugel: your playing with a custom list?
18:35:10*DerPapst hopes his mindreader was working correctly.
18:35:16kugelJdGordon: yea
18:35:34kugelI saw your viewport_list patch, didn't dive into yet
18:35:49JdGordonhow custom do you mean?
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18:36:17jhMikeSDerPapst: apparently they aren't very popular either :)
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18:36:31CanardoSince a long time, there are some custom builds including some patches like Album Arts, etc. But I prefer don't use theses builds. I prefer use the "official" one. Why the rockbox team has never include these patches ?
18:36:58CanardoAnd will they try to include it one day !?
18:37:09JdGordonAA is in the official builds now
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18:37:16kugelJdGordon: fs#5899
18:37:25scorche|wCanardo: well, there are different patches...with different reasons
18:38:20linuxstbJdGordon: What's the purpose of all those gui_list_* macros in newlist.h ?
18:38:31JdGordonthey willl be gone
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18:39:02JdGordoni just did a straight copy from list.h to newlist.h
18:39:06krazykitCanardo, it often boils down to "the patch is not implemented the right way" or "it's bloat that isn't needed"
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18:39:28DerPapstno more list macros?
18:39:28JdGordonkugel: have a look at the ist patch i did, it immediatly does what 5899 wants
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18:40:27linuxstbJdGordon: And please remove viewport_copy()...
18:41:03kugelJdGordon: I expected your patch do this, however it doesn't seem to be finished, or actually usable. You a) said that and b) from what I've seen (I have looked into the diff)
18:41:31JdGordonyeah, its not finished at all... just put it up to show off :p
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18:41:43kugelBut acutally, I wanted to prepare a diff using the old custom list patch sync'd to viewport, since there're graphical issues linuxstb wanted to investigate
18:41:58JdGordonk
18:42:10CanardoSo, what about ymargin_scrollinfo and scroll-margins ?
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18:42:43linuxstbscroll-margins is obsoleted, and I've no idea what the ymargin_scrollinfo patch is for...
18:43:22kugellinuxstb: acutally noone has an idea concerning ymargin
18:44:02Canardoit come from here : http://evilg.cleansoap.org/builds/5g/README-EvilG-Fusion-20070717.txt
18:46:50kugellinuxstb: www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/customlist-20080109.diff
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18:47:52kugeluse this theme to test, it's for e200
18:47:53kugelhttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/Azure_Ultimate.zip
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18:48:54CanardoI asked lots of themes in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g are not working at all (including my prefered ones)
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18:49:29linuxstbCanardo: Are you running the themes on the required builds?
18:50:13Canardoare u speaking about custom builds (like EvilG one) ?
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18:51:08low_lightlinuxstb: if you have a chance, can you make an mrobe 100 build and tell me why it's not "making" the bitmaps...I've looked at it too long and can't see my mistake
18:51:57linuxstbkugel: The idea is that you declare various viewports in the list code, and then call lcd_set_viewport() to use them. You appear to just keep modifying the values of the default viewport, which you shouldn't do - the x/y/width/height of the default viewport shouldn't be changed (and can't be with the existing code).
18:52:45linuxstblow_light: Sure. Are you build for a real target or sim?
18:52:54low_lighttarget
18:52:57kugellinuxstb: I allready came up with that idea too, though it didn't work. I called a new viewport, and the menu didn't show up at all
18:53:14linuxstbThen you were doing something else wrong...
18:53:25linuxstbLook at JdGordon's patch - that may give you some ideas.
18:53:45low_lightlinuxstb: btw...I now have a Sansa c140 (TTC770)
18:54:17kugellinuxstb: Thank you anyway, I'm gonna play around a bit with calling more viewports (I most likely did it wrong)
18:55:25linuxstblow_light: Nice... That should be very similar to my Logik DAX. How much flash does it have?
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18:55:57CanardoSo...
18:56:03Canardothanls, good evening !
18:56:08Canardothanks
18:58:12low_lightlinuxstb: it's the 1GB version.
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19:01:09linuxstblow_light: That mrobe build is odd - it's not creating the dep-apps file (in builddir/apps/dep-apps).
19:03:29kugellinuxstb: I basically did this now:
19:03:31kugelstatic struct viewport vp;
19:03:32kugeldisplay->set_viewport(&vp);
19:03:34kugelThe main menu isn't drawn
19:04:17low_lightyes, I noticed that, but the bitmaps seem to be built before that (I did a c200 build and stopped it while making the bitmaps)
19:04:37low_lightlinuxstb: ^
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19:06:03linuxstbkugel: Did you initialise all the fields in the viewport, including fg/bg colours?
19:06:36kugelno, I thought there were initialised with default values automatically
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19:08:02amiconnHow would they?
19:08:21amiconnViewports are statically allocated, hence there is no init code
19:13:05jhMikeSamiconn: could you do a quick mpegplayer patch test on nano?
19:13:15amiconnI have no nano...
19:13:52jhMikeSI think I meant mini
19:13:59jhMikeSany greylib using pp502x
19:14:12linuxstblow_light: Sorry, nothing is jumping out at me. I'll try and have a look later, but I may not have any time this evening...
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19:14:17amiconnAh, mini
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19:14:42amiconnUnfortunately I can't test any greylib related patch atm, as my greylib is in a state of heavy flux
19:16:34jhMikeSI simply need to see if using uncached buffers on that works ok since that gives the least complication and best appearance.
19:17:14amiconnThe greylib will soon allow to optionally use iram for it's _grey_info struct
19:17:26amiconns/it's/its/
19:18:05jhMikeSI meant using uncached frame buffers, not the _grey_info struct
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20:16:18low_lightwhy wouldn't make complain that the file was missing instead of continuing
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20:22:32kugelIs there a way to return to the default_vp?
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20:24:30amiconndisplay->set_viewport(NULL);
20:26:27kugela great, hadn't thought of that, thanks
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20:31:27peppohm. my playlist used to be fine with not properly UTF8 coded id3 tags, but when I changed Viewing codec to utf8, and then back to iso8859-15, some tags' non-ascii characters are displayed with just boxes
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20:33:00peppoit's iso8859-15 encoded stuff that's not being displayed properly. is there a workaround?
20:33:08peppobefore both utf8 and iso8859-15 were displayed fine
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20:40:11peppoany encoding gurus here?
20:40:51JdGordon|wlinuxstb: viewport_copy() is really that bad?
20:41:32saratogapeppo: encoding of what
20:41:46pepposaratoga, oh sorry, unclear. character encoding
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20:44:27pixelmapeppo: before what?
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20:45:25peppopixelma, making a few changes in settings: language, display/character encoding...
20:45:45peppothought it might have been language, but going back didn't help
20:45:50linuxstbJdGordon|w: It's just unnecessary - a normal assignment (=) will work.
20:45:54peppoI'm trying rebuilding the database again with utf8 set
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20:56:59pepponah, didn't help
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20:59:27JdGordon|wlinuxstb: only when creating new ones though?
20:59:49linuxstbWhenever you want to copy the contents of one viewport struct into another.
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21:00:56*JdGordon|w is sure he was taught you cant use = with structs..
21:01:58amiconnThat's plain bog standard C ...
21:02:01linuxstbI think it's a relatively new C feature, but I can't imagine any compiler not supporting it.
21:02:10amiconnAssigning a struct to another copies content
21:04:07*Nico_P thinks he *finally* nailed FS #5797 (Codec failure with directory skip when in file browser) :D
21:04:20JdGordon|wwell done :)
21:04:39DerPapstit is the good thing you can use = with structs... :-)
21:06:54Nico_PI'd like to mention it wasn't related to the playback code at all
21:07:04kugellinuxstb: Well, I got custom list to work, though there's one last problem
21:07:07JdGordon|wNico_P: sure.. pass the blame on :D
21:07:32Nico_PI'm running svn blame right now :p
21:07:40***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:07:54JdGordon|wDerPapst: well its not that a good thing... this is the first time in 5 odd years I've actuallly wanted to duplicate a struct instead of playing with pointers :p
21:08:06kugelthe list isn't redrawn when I return from wps, which means I see parts of the wps right the the vp. After scrolling up/down a single item everthing is fine
21:08:19JdGordon|wNico_P: which file?
21:08:27Nico_Pplaylist.c
21:09:01*JdGordon|w runs away just incase blame says me
21:09:02linuxstbkugel: You should probably call lcd_clear_display() (and lcd_update()) at the start of your code.
21:09:14Nico_PJdGordon|w: don't worry, it's not you ;)
21:09:21JdGordon|wwoohoo :)
21:09:37linuxstbkugel: And are you using lcd_clear_viewport() and lcd_update_viewport() when dealing with your list?
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21:09:50kugellinuxstb: I tried display->update(); and it didn't work
21:10:02kugelno
21:10:05linuxstbDid you do display->clear_display() ?
21:10:27kugelno
21:11:18kugelI'm not really sure if it's an issue in the list code, since going up/down in the list by a single item fixes this
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21:17:00fir3__hi
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21:17:10MadEchidnahello folks
21:17:24MadEchidnacould someone tell me if this will run Rockbox ok? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855125011
21:17:54fir3__how can i update an ipod video? can i just select the complete installation in rbutil and the old install will be overwritten?
21:18:02scorche|wwell, if you are buying it new, odds are, it will be a v2 which will not run rockbox yet
21:18:16scorche|w(that was to MadEchidna)
21:18:33MadEchidnaaw :(
21:18:43MadEchidnawhere do you reccomend I buy one that will work?
21:18:46JdGordon|wfir3__: yes
21:18:59linuxstbfir3__: Yes. Or just select the option to install a "current build" - you probably don't need to update everything else (fonts, bootloader etc)
21:19:01fir3__alright, tnx
21:21:06fir3__the installer can't download the files :/
21:21:32fir3__download error: received http error 39
21:21:55kugelWell, there's another problem. Plugins are pretty much messed up :(
21:22:56fir3__ok guess the error appeared because i cancelled bootloader install, after a rbutil restart it seems to work
21:23:31fir3__how come rbutil uses 100% cpu, btw?
21:23:50MadEchidnadoesn't anyone know where I can buy a compatible player?
21:23:58linuxstbkugel: Do you restore the default viewport anywhere?
21:24:19scorche|wMadEchidna: ebay
21:25:00kugelNo, but I thought of that. However, if I did that, the first issue is worse (then going up/down doesn't even help anymore)
21:25:28kugelbtw, clearing/updating didn't help, only caused some kind of flickering
21:25:53BigBambifir3_ which version, OS?
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21:27:20fir3__1.0.2 linux
21:27:31BigBambi1.0.2 or linux is using 0% for me
21:27:36BigBambis/or/on
21:30:29fir3__maybe some bug only occuring on dualcore cpus?
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21:33:21BigBambiI have a dual core cpu
21:33:38BigBambiso I doubt it :)
21:34:59pixelmakugel: I just read the logs and it wasn't on purpose that I removed the scroll wheel support in brickmania on the e200 - I simplified the defines there a bit... too much ;) (maybe was mislead by the old comment "Only iPod have scroll events" that was in there, can't remember)
21:35:14kugelok :)
21:35:20pixelmagoing to add it again
21:35:32kugelYea, that comment confused me too
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21:42:37pixelmalow_light: nice commits :)
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21:45:20amiconnlow_light: mrobe100 pixel format is the same as archos?
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21:48:12low_lightamiconn: it uses lcd-1bit-vert
21:48:22amiconnAh ok
21:49:43amiconnPorting the greyscale lib should be easy then :)
21:50:22amiconnJust lcd_grey_phase_blit() is needed - just notice that this function will change parameters (incompatibly) soon
21:50:31pixelmalow_light: is that the essential part of the c200 radio patch you committed today (I remember there were more lines in it...)?
21:50:33low_lighteasy for you that is
21:51:08amiconnFor me it's trivial ;)
21:51:36amiconnBut a few tests need to be done on target
21:52:05low_lightpixelma: yes, I believe that was the bit that fixed my radio. Let me know if you still have problems.
21:52:13amiconn(measuring the internal refresh rate of the lcd and the gamma curve)
21:52:47amiconnRefresh rate measurement in turn needs lcd_blit(), and gamma needs a new test plugin I have to write
21:52:50pixelmalow_light: ok, have to revert the old one then :)
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21:53:09amiconn(the existing curves were measured with the old graylib, and a plugin I didn't keep)
21:54:16low_lightsounds like you need to find one on ebay :)
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21:54:31low_lightand add to your tower
21:54:37kugelfinally tt
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21:58:51fir3__how can i convert videos to play them on the ipod video+rockbox?
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22:01:07bertrikfir3__: I think the MpegPlayerPlugin page on the rockbox wiki explains it
22:01:39PaulJamfir3__: in an ipod video it is propably better to boot into the apple firmware to watch videos.
22:02:23bertrikhere's the link http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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22:06:02perlDreamerMy sansa e200 with rockbox is locked up, showing an "Undefined instruction" error. Is there a way to reset it?
22:06:37perlDreamerNone of the keys work, and plugging it into a USB port didn't do anything either
22:06:40BigBambiperlDreamer: Hold power for 15 seconds or more
22:07:29perlDreamerBigBambi: Thanks! I know the sequence of steps that I did to get it there. Is it worth filing a bug report?
22:07:45BigBambiperlDreamer: Are you using the current build and is it reprodicuible?
22:07:55perlDreamercurrent build yes
22:08:04BigBambicurent build from when?
22:08:04perlDreamerI'll let you know about the reproducability in a sec
22:08:09BigBambii.e. what version?
22:08:19BigBambiand what is the problem?
22:09:01perlDreamerv16039, Sansa e200
22:09:16perlDreamerI turned off Repeat mode, then the device idled until it went to sleep.
22:09:25perlDreamerwoke it up, hit resume play and i got the error
22:09:38BigBambiinteresting
22:10:24perlDreamerholding the power button down got it to turn off, but now after the Splash screen it just goes to black
22:10:44BigBambiould you try resetting the settings?
22:10:56perlDreamerIt won't power up any longer
22:10:59BigBambiIn case font colour and background colour have somehow got set to the same
22:11:12perlDreamerNo lights on the dial
22:11:17perlDreamerNo response to USB cable
22:11:23JdGordon|wbattery dead?
22:11:24BigBambiCan you boot the OF?
22:11:46perlDreamerJdGordon, even if the battery was low, it should respond to a cable plug-in
22:11:54perlDreamerBigBambi: No booting at all now
22:12:10BigBambiperlDreamer: I would plug it in and leave it for a while
22:12:21BigBambiIt is odd, but it may be so low that it won't boot at all
22:12:21perlDreamerwill do
22:12:48*perlDreamer hopes that the battery protector has a trickle charge mode
22:13:11BigBambiI have an gigabeat S60 (in addition to my rockbox players!)that when very low on battery won't do anything until you plug in mains adapter. USB cable (which normally charges) does nothing
22:13:25BigBambiperlDreamer: Should do, it is in hardware
22:13:54perlDreamerDo you know which protector chip it uses?
22:14:04BigBambino, but the wiki might
22:14:04perlDreamerTI, Maxim, etc.?
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22:14:35BigBambimaybe some info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port
22:15:09BagderperlDreamer: i.mx31
22:15:17Bagderfreescale
22:16:08BigBambiBagder: The E200?
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22:16:24Bagderthe gigabeat S
22:16:28Bagderthe e200 uses a PP5024
22:16:44BigBambiWe were talking about the E200 :)
22:16:58*Bagder is obviously confused...
22:17:04BigBambiI knew I wasn't going mad :)
22:17:18BigBambiI did mention the S60, so you are excused
22:17:20Bagdere200v1 that is
22:17:20BigBambi:)
22:17:24BigBambiyep
22:17:28Bagdere200v2 uses AS3525
22:17:39BigBambiAMS?
22:17:42Bagderyeps
22:17:45pixelmalow_light: what was the screen specs of the m:robe100 again - 160x128 mono (recalling the picture... wasn't it even (backlit red on black)?
22:18:23advcomp2019perlDreamer and BigBambi, i tried to the same thing but mine still works with the latest build
22:18:45BigBambiadvcomp2019: cheers.
22:19:38BigBambiperlDreamer: When your player is resurrected, try to see if you can reproduce, if you can fill out a bug report with as much info as possible. i.e. how to do, format files, settings....
22:19:48perlDreamerok
22:19:55BigBambicheers
22:19:56perlDreamerI'll let it sit on the cable for an hour or so
22:20:20Hans-MartinperlDreamer: good luck resurrecting it
22:20:29BigBambiI'm sure it will be fine
22:20:36perlDreamerthanks, I'll drop back in in a while to update y'all
22:20:48perlDreamerbtw, Rockbox is awesome!
22:20:55BigBambiit certainly is :)
22:21:15*Hans-Martin agrees violently
22:21:19JdGordon|wmeh... its not that good...
22:21:23JdGordon|wiPL ftw!
22:21:24low_lightpixelma: yes
22:21:37*BigBambi slaps JdGordon with a dead dingo
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22:22:22Hans-Martinis there any info on the new greylib? I see it mentioned over and over here, but the rockbox.org site has no info (at least I did not find any)
22:22:37BigBambiHans-Martin: What sort of info?
22:22:45BigBambiDev or end-user?
22:22:53Hans-Martinmainly, what will be its advantage for the end-user
22:23:10BigBambiHans-Martin: More shades of grey (33 -> 129 IIRC)
22:23:22Hans-Martinah ok so it's time.dithering
22:23:28BigBambi+ some behind the scenes stuff (ask amiconn!)
22:23:29Hans-Martingood
22:24:20Hans-Martincan it do color as well? Then I could watch movies on my iriver? (just kidding)
22:24:46BigBambiI seem to remember amiconn mentioning that it would also help/remove the 'phasing' that occurred from time to time with the old one
22:25:00amiconnPhasing?
22:25:14BigBambiThe appearance of a line scrolling through it
22:25:20amiconnNo
22:25:20BigBambiphasing is not a great word
22:25:27amiconnThat effect cannot be avoided
22:25:47BigBambiamiconn: I misremember then, I thought I remembered you saying it was better with this one
22:25:50Hans-MartinI assume that it is only being used by viewers/plugins which need it, right?
22:26:04BigBambiHans-Martin: check out e.g. mandelbrot
22:26:10BigBambior the jpeg viewer
22:26:20amiconnIt avoids the graininess resulting from frequent updates in the old lib, has more shades, and updates faster
22:26:23pixelmaHans-Martin: you can watch movies on your iriver (assuming it's an H100 it's still a bit slow in decoding so drops frames though...)
22:26:36BigBambiamiconn: ah, the graininess is what I was confusing
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22:27:03amiconnIt will soon be much faster than the svn version, and avoid the graininess when unboosted on coldfire (H1x0, M5) currently occuring in svn
22:27:09amiconn(because of too slow isr)
22:27:10BigBambicool
22:27:18*BigBambi is highly impressed
22:27:40amiconnIt will also scroll & draw faster soon
22:28:02Hans-MartinBigBambi: ah ok - mandelbrot looks like it's very stable (no "phasing")
22:28:29BigBambiI shouldn't have introduced phasing, it is both the wrong word, and I was wrong!
22:29:09*GodEater_ awards BigBambi the "Bad word of the day" badge
22:29:10Hans-Martinpixelma: actually I'm not that much into viewing movies on mobile devices - too little time for that. And monochrome 160x100 isn't exactly HDTV.
22:29:13GodEater_wear it with pride
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22:29:28BigBambiGodEater_: Makes a change from a red card :)
22:29:39GodEater_hehe
22:29:46GodEater_that's the *other* channel
22:29:53BigBambi:)
22:29:54GodEater_I hope none of us would descend that low here
22:30:00BigBambiindeed no
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22:39:08mhydronicis there a way to make windows explorer pop up everytime my ipod is connected?
22:39:37BigBambimhydronic: I don't think that is a rockbox question
22:40:16mhydronici thought maybe it had something to do with rockbox
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22:40:38BigBambimhydronic: Rockbox on the ipod doesn't yet have a usb mode
22:40:49BigBambiYou are in the apple firmware
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22:45:42mhydronicdoes it automatically switch over? cuz rockbox starts up.. then a little usb plug icon shows up on the screen.. and the do not disconnect screen is different form the ipod do not disconnect screen
22:46:14BigBambiIt i the apple emergency disk mode
22:46:24BigBambis/i/is
22:46:49BigBambiI assure you, it is not rockbox
22:46:56mhydronicok i believe you
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22:48:58mhydronicthanks
22:49:04BigBambino probs
22:49:11ptw419does anyone know if usb serial works in the usb stack?
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22:50:01GodEater_ptw419: I don't believe so
22:50:15GodEater_ptw419: I think Zagor got charging working, and is someway toward UMS
22:50:23GodEater_but that's about it (AFAIK)
22:51:40ZagorI had some success with serial too, but not enough to enable logging over it.
22:52:38ZagorI have very little rockbox time at the moment so I won't be able to put more effort into it for a few weeks
22:53:49Horschtfront page says charging only, no?
22:53:50ptw419ah
22:56:54GodEater_ptw419: are you trying to get the stack into the S code ?
22:57:01*BigBambi hopes so :)
22:58:32ptw419i was thinking about trying
22:58:45ptw419i still can't manage to get interrupts working :\
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22:59:06ptw419I contacted freescale and they said everything should work as is
22:59:54ptw419I found the general area where the OF sets up the interrupts, but that is in nk.bin, and its never executed if the rb bootloader is started
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23:02:45Hans-Martingnite folks
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23:03:25Buschelstripwax/soap: did you still experience glitches with v7-patch?
23:03:33Nico_Pptw419: what do they mean by "as is"?
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23:04:17Casainhohello rockbox people :-)
23:04:22CasainhoI am looknig to TWiki acess
23:04:29Casainhofor user "RogerQuadros"
23:04:41perlDreamerWell, at T+1 hour nothing is happening, still
23:04:43linuxstbYou can add his name to the TwikiUsersGroup page.
23:05:03ptw419well, thats not their exact wording.
23:05:20linuxstbCasainho: Sorry, TWikiUsersGroup - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup
23:05:28ptw419my exact question was :
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23:05:31ptw419Date:8 Jan 2008 23:03:15 -0700
23:05:33ptw419From:"Freescale Support" <support@freescale.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
23:05:36ptw419Subject:RE: Freescale Support SR#: 1-414465296
23:05:37GodEater_linuxstb, Casainho: I already did it
23:05:38ptw419To:ptw419@yahoo.com
23:05:39ptw419Dear James Espinoza,
23:05:41ptw419In reply to your Service Request SR 1-414465296:
23:05:46ptw419Generally all that is sufficient for generating interrupts.
23:05:48ptw419Also one can check if appropriate clocks are enabled in used module,
23:05:50ptw419in Clock Gating Registers, sect.3.4.3.9 "Clock Gating Registers
23:05:52ptw419 (CGR0–CGR2)",
23:05:54ptw419i.MX31 Reference Manual (rev.2.3, 1/2007).
23:05:56ptw419<http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MCIMX31RM.pdf>
23:05:58ptw419Also please find attached project giving example of operation with
23:05:59ptw419 interrupts.
23:06:02ptw419Thank you for your interest in Freescale Semiconductor products and for
23:06:04ptw419 the opportunity to serve you.
23:06:06ptw419Should you need to contact us with regard to this message, please see
23:06:06linuxstbptw419: Pastebin is useful ;)
23:06:08ptw419 the notes below.
23:06:10ptw419Best Regards,
23:06:12ptw419Igor
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23:06:22ptw419This message is in reply to the following service request:
23:06:23Casainhothank you :-) - I now know how to do that :-) - thanks :-)
23:06:24ptw419SR Number: 1-414465296
23:06:26ptw419Date Opened: 09-Jan-2008 11:34:00 AM
23:06:32ptw419Subject: Interrupts not firing in IMX31
23:06:32GodEater_oh god
23:06:32ptw419Description:
23:06:32ptw419Other than enabling interrupts in the CPSR, the respective module(lets
23:06:34#>>"is really itching now :)" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor)
23:06:35ptw419 say EPIT1), and in AVIC(under normal interrupts, not accelerated) is
23:06:36peturargh!
23:06:36ptw419 there anything else that must be enabled or setup to get interrupts
23:06:38ptw419 working correctly? What could cause the interrupts to not work if everything
23:06:40ptw419 is enabled correctly?
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23:06:46ptw419How to best communicate with us regarding this Service Request SR#
23:06:48ptw419 1-414465296:
23:06:50ptw419−− You may reply to this message by email; however, please
23:06:52ptw419oops....
23:06:54ptw419sry
23:06:56ptw419didn't mean to flood the chan
23:06:58ptw419hehe
23:07:00ptw419but there you have it anyways ;)
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23:07:44ptw419i was thinking maybe something in IOMUX might not be set up right?
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23:11:59Casainhobye bye
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23:14:18perlDreamerBigBambi: It's been plugged in for over an hour. Any suggestions on what to do next?
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23:14:32perlDreamer(and no lights or response to keys)
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23:15:04BigBambiperlDreamer: Not sure I'm afraid, I don't actually own a Sansa
23:15:04Nico_Pptw419: I couldn't tell you :p
23:15:29perlDreamerI'll check tonight to see if it's still under warranty and try that route.
23:15:30ptw419Nico_P: its ok, I couldn't tell myself ;)
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23:15:51perlDreamerThank you, sincerely, for your help. I appreciate it.
23:15:52BigBambiperlDreamer: Perhaps leave it a litle in case anyone sees the logs?
23:15:58BigBambiAnd maybe post in the forum?
23:16:07perlDreameroka
23:16:09perlDreamerokay
23:17:31advcomp2019perlDreamer, try removing then reinstalling the battery then try to turn it on
23:17:41bertrikperlDreamer: perhaps it's still on, but just hangs with a black screen? in that case, plugging in the charger won't really make a difference
23:18:09Nico_Pptw419: what's in the "attached project"?
23:18:10bertrikperlDreamer: try turning it off once more by holding power for 15 seconds, then plugging in the charger
23:19:34ptw419its a program w/ a minimal bootloader that tests the CSPI interrupts
23:19:39perlDreameraha! That worked.
23:19:45ptw419would you like to take a look?
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23:19:53crashmatrixEvening all
23:19:54ptw419i haven't tested it yet
23:20:05perlDreamerIf the problem is black on black, how do I change that? is it in the config files?
23:20:05crashmatrixI'm having some trouble installing the bootloader from linux
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23:20:55crashmatrixI run ipodpatcher as instructed, but I get no message that the bootloader has been installed, I just get a parition listing and some other random bits of information
23:21:17crashmatrixWhen I 'reboot' the ipod, I can only get into the original firmware
23:21:29ptw419Zagor: for USB_IRAM_ORIGIN is that the system IRAM?
23:21:48Zagorptw419: yes
23:21:51bertrikperlDreamer: I don't really know, IIRC booting rockbox with record button pressed should revert it to default settings
23:21:54ptw419ok thanks
23:22:07perlDreamerI'll check the manual
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23:23:11crashmatrixNever mind, I'm being stupid again
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23:23:49deltronyou leaving the lock button on?
23:24:08BagderperlDreamer: did you hold 'menu' for 15 seconds to make it shut down for sure first?
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23:24:45perlDreamerBagder: yes
23:24:46Zagorptw419: but USB_IRAM_ORIGIN isn't used anywhere so you can ignore it. it's a leftover from testing.
23:25:20BagderperlDreamer: and it shows nothing then when you try to switch it on or insert usb?
23:25:26leftrightperhaps you guys had better put up your version of what rockbox is instead of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgoq1LN0QKI&feature=related
23:25:38ptw419ah
23:25:47perlDreamerNo, it's responding now.
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23:26:27perlDreamerIt looks like where the data for resume playback may have been stored was corrupted, because it locked up again when I tried to restart the last song.
23:26:37perlDreamerbut new playing works fine, and resuming from that point on works fine
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23:27:23BigBambiperlDreamer: Glad to hear it
23:27:59Nico_Pptw419: I wouldn't mind taking a look at it, yeah
23:29:06leftrighthere's an interesting one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skijXgpUj80&feature=related
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23:31:39ptw419dcc fine?
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23:33:21Nico_Pptw419: it failed
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23:34:05ptw419or how about email
23:34:25Nico_Psounds good. do you have my address?
23:34:32DerPapstleftright: heh... but if you want to see really bad video tutorials check out ipodlinux ones :-D and it's a horror when they come to your forums whining that it didn't work.
23:36:00ptw419nope, pm it to me
23:36:51LloreanThe first video really isn't that bad.
23:39:35GodEater_Llorean: I'm sure we saw that one months back
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23:42:37DerPapstGodEater_: good guess... r15236 :-P
23:43:05DerPapstmeh... why do all leave when i'm replying?
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23:45:51ptw419Zagor: does usb_drv_init() initialize usb hardware in the system?
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23:47:58Zagorptw419: partly. it assumes the hardware is activated and enabled, which is done in usb-fw-pp502x.c. usb_drv_init() only initializes the actual usb controller.
23:48:33ptw419I see
23:49:31Zagors/usb-fw-pp502x.c/usb_init_device()/
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