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#rockbox log for 2008-01-11

00:01:57 Quit [ELB]Psy ()
00:03:40jhMikeSamiconn: good, so it can handle that just fine. pp5002 is already under the wire anyway as it is and I think it's affected a little more negatively than pp502x but my guage was simply the frequency of audio interruption.
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00:14:00amiconnjhMikeS: I've removed all GRAY_CACHE_MAINT related stuff from mpegplayer locally now, and just added UNCACHED_ADDR() in the grey_init() call
00:14:14amiconnSeems to work properly on my mini
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00:15:13amiconnThe only bug is now the remaining osd part outside the video area
00:15:59jhMikeSit should work properly without the cached framebuffers.
00:16:23amiconnShall I commit this?
00:16:38amiconnThe remaining osd part is unrelated to the caching...
00:17:38jhMikeSwvs_show should just need the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR bits removed to fix the remaining osd part
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00:18:18jhMikeSdid you remove GRAY_CACHE_MAINT for the show/hide function?
00:18:38amiconnI removed GRAY_CACHE_MAINT, and all related code and macros
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00:21:48jhMikeSthat should probably stay without the _gray_info structure being uncached
00:22:00amiconn?
00:22:52jhMikeSthe show/hide flushing
00:23:41*amiconn doesn't understand...
00:24:04DaCapncan an ipod with rockbox only be charged when the device is mounted? Or can it also be charged while the ipod is not mounted?
00:24:06jhMikeSin stream_gray_show
00:24:11amiconnI thought that this flushing is unnecessary if the buffers are uncached
00:24:21amiconnAnd now they are....
00:24:49jhMikeSbut if _gray_info is cached, changes may not be picked up by cop without it
00:25:11amiconnWhy should _grey_info be cached?
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00:25:35amiconnAnd furthermore, the cop doesn't need to care about _grey_info contents
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00:26:32jhMikeSit uses no data at all from the structure?
00:27:06amiconnWell, depends what functions are used from the cop
00:27:33amiconnIf it's just grey_ub_gray_bitmap_part, it only reads the struct, never writes
00:27:47amiconnAnd why should _grey_info be cached, btw?
00:27:58jhMikeSgrey_ub_grey_bitmap_part but changes to the flags are adjacent to other data
00:29:00amiconngrey_ub_gray_bitmap_part doesn't touch the flags at all
00:29:48Nico_Plostlogic: do you know about the playback skipping bugs people are experiencing on slowish targets?
00:29:49jhMikeSbut flags is within a cache line of width and height
00:30:04amiconnYeah, but width and height don't change after init
00:30:37amiconnRight now _grey_info is cached, but even that will go away once you can optionally pass an own (iram) buffer
00:31:26jhMikeSno, but since flags does, it will be read into a cop cache line when it accesses width and height
00:32:43amiconnHmm, is that a problem?
00:33:01amiconnSince the cop never changes _grey_info data, it won't write back that cache line
00:33:34amiconn(as the cache line never becomes dirty)
00:33:56jhMikeSIt shouldn't, true. If there's no difficulty, it's likely correct
00:34:30amiconnI can't find any problems
00:34:51jhMikeSall vo data is padded and aligned and that's the only other cacheable data it uses outside the allocator
00:34:57amiconnRunning both fullscreen and widescreen "elephants dream", seeking back & forth, pausing etc
00:35:29amiconnAnd you were right about the ifdefs in wvs_show
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00:35:43amiconnI removed them, and now the osd disappears properly on widescreen videos
00:38:37jhMikeSthe whole point of those was for the widescreen/small video situation :)
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00:51:14jer^ok... my ipod wont turn on now :S
00:51:35jer^i just turned it off using the play button hold down for a few seconds thing, rockbox installed etc..now it wont turn on
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00:54:16DaCapnjer^ try connecting it via USB since that should turn it on
00:54:51jer^hmm not doing anything
00:56:01pixelmarather try to reset it (holding menu+select...)
00:56:55jer^aha
00:56:57jer^thanks
00:57:03jer^is that how i have to turn it on everytime?
00:57:13pixelmano, usually not
00:57:20jer^kk
00:57:22jer^thx :)
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01:00:39amiconnjhMikeS: Shall I commit what I have, or post a patch first?
01:00:39amiconnBtw, mpegplayer could work on PP5002 if the overlay doesn't cover the whole screen
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01:00:57amiconnThe isr needs 44% CPU at 80MHz for fullscreen
01:01:33amiconnThat's mainly due to the lcd bridge waits; the function would be way faster without them :\
01:02:00*amiconn used the "nop trick" to get a working PP5002 build :/
01:02:50DerPapsthowmany nops did ypu use?
01:02:51jhMikeSpost a patch really quick I'll see if I catch anything
01:03:02amiconnDerPapst: Just one...
01:03:20DerPapstah.. i thought it would be more.
01:03:38amiconnG1/g2 needs further work in the graylib anyway, because the linearisation curve needs to be flipped when backlight is on
01:03:48amiconn(because of backlight inversion)
01:03:50*DerPapst hast tried to build a current version for his 3G yet.. even without the nops
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01:04:08DerPapst*hasn't
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01:05:41amiconnamiconn.dyndns.org/mpegplayer.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/mpegplayer.diff
01:06:04LanglyOn a 1st gen ipod, sometimes I accidently boot it to orig software instead of rockbox, and after pwering off it still reboots to apple software, only way to get it back on rockbox is to plug it to firewire then unplug it again
01:06:20*amiconn wonders if upping CPUFREQ_MAX to 90MHz would help
01:06:20Langlyis there any other way to get it to boot back to rockbox if its loaded its normal software on me
01:06:34amiconnReset it
01:06:53amiconn(Menu+Play on a 1st Gen)
01:06:58*jhMikeS gets "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage"
01:07:14DerPapstip adress not updated :-P
01:07:38Langlydidnt do anything
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01:08:53LanglyIm talking 1st gen ipod, not mini or anything
01:08:53Langlyold 5gig origina;
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01:08:53DerPapstwe understood :-)
01:08:53DerPapsthowever menu + play is the hard reset
01:08:55DerPapstso it should work
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01:09:02DerPapstis hold fliped on?
01:09:17Langlythere we go, did it that bloody time
01:09:20Langlythanks
01:09:28DerPapstheh
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01:11:48Langlyjust didnt quite hold them long enough
01:11:48amiconneh?
01:13:14amiconnjhMikeS: Try again now
01:13:28amiconnFor some reason my Amiga got a different internal ip; had to correct the port forwarding
01:13:30jhMikeSgot it
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01:15:28jhMikeSlooks good
01:16:07LanglyAh thats why its wonky
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01:16:22Langlyevery time rockbox sleeps, the apple software fires back up
01:16:39DerPapstGood night all :-D
01:16:41Langlyand as the hold switch is on when I put it down when im done with it
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01:17:45amiconnRockbox cannot sleep yet
01:18:12amiconn(on ipod 1st + 2nd Gen)
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01:19:15amiconnSo if you want to use it right now, the most convenient way so far is (imho) to disable the poweroff timeout, so that once you are in rockbox, you stay there until you reboot manually.
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01:20:25amiconnThen, if you want to put away the ipod, hold 'Play' until rockbox says 'Shutting down' (which it doesn't, it actually reboots), and then quickly flip the hold switch, so that it reboots into apple fw, which will the sleep after a few minutes
01:20:55amiconnTo go back into rockbox, disable hold, and reset (Menu+Play). Currently there is no really convenient way, sorry...
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01:23:25peturflyspray spits an error at me about the mailer being unable to smtp
01:24:43*amiconn is running doom 'timedemo' on 2nd Gen
01:26:22jhMikeSamiconn: btw. UNCACHED_ADDR only defined #ifdef CPU_PP
01:27:25amiconn10.8fps. Not that bad given the PP5002 cache quirks
01:27:53JdGordon|wwhats the proper fps?
01:28:22amiconn35fps is doom's fps limit (unless you run timedemo)
01:29:49kugelwhy doesn't the wps tag manual get updated?
01:31:12amiconnUrgh, but sound should be kept disabled...
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01:32:02PuppiesOnAcidok
01:32:08PuppiesOnAcidso i have a mac formatted 2G ipod
01:32:14amiconnjhMikeS: Oh, I thought it would collapse to identity for others...
01:32:16PuppiesOnAcidi just want to format it to work on windows and install rockbox
01:32:20PuppiesOnAcidi don't care about losing my songs
01:32:23PuppiesOnAcidis this possible through rockbox?
01:32:38PuppiesOnAcidor will i hvae to use itunes to format it?
01:33:14jhMikeSamiconn: Could be added but it was originally just in driver code
01:33:47markunjhMikeS: do you want to implement fluent seeking in mpegplayer with a multiply or by using the shift operator like it's done in my patch?
01:34:44amiconnHmm, disk_buf.c uses the PROC_NEEDS_CACHEALIGN macro for applying UNCACHED_ADDR()
01:34:50jhMikeSmarkun: I don't know. You have to watch overflow on that one.
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01:35:31jhMikeSamiconn: indeed since they go together atm
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01:36:39markunLlorean, jhMikeS: is it ok if I choose more exact values for this table? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Choosing_a_resolution
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01:37:06markun(as long as they are a multiple of 2)
01:38:46jhMikeSmore exact? :)
01:39:25markunjhMikeS: 220:124 for 16:9 on the h300 for example
01:40:10jhMikeS4:3 video for x5 should be 160x120
01:40:11markunyou gain nothing by choosing 224x128
01:40:45markunI'll just change them and remove the notice that it should be multiples of 16
01:40:50kugelappearently, threre's a bug in the wps code
01:41:09kugellinuxstb: ping
01:42:45kugellinuxstb: I think I found a bug! You committed FS #8135 two month ago, today it's not working anymore
01:44:00markunjhMikeS: I assume that the physical dimentions of the screens with 5:4 resolutions are 5:4 as well?
01:44:31jhMikeSall screens I know of have square pixels
01:44:39PaulJamkugel: this change was replaced by the %m tag a few days later.
01:44:41kugelI doubt that in e200 case
01:45:16jhMikeSe200 has square pixels
01:45:44kugelit doesn't really look like 5:4 imo
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01:47:06*Domonoky_ just orderd a m:robe 100... :-)
01:47:14Soapmeasure it.
01:47:45kugelWell, my set square prooved me wrong :/
01:48:18jhMikeS56mm x 45mm (as best I can measure right now) = 1.2444444444....
01:48:45amiconnjhMikeS: Committed. Btw, the cache flush was visible on coldfire too...
01:49:08amiconnAfaik all rockbox targets have square pixels, except the archoses
01:49:23jhMikeScache flush on coldfire? There shouldn't have been any.
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01:49:53kugelthanks PaulJam
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01:50:24amiconnHmm, maybe I had a mixed up build yesterday... although I dunno why that would have happened
01:50:30markunok, I updated the wiki. maybe we should make new encodings of elefants dream for the resolutions that got changed.
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01:53:04amiconnI think we should have fullscreen, 4:3 and 16:9 versions for each lcd size. (16:9 doesn't make much sense on the small H10 though)
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01:54:56markunamiconn: so, 14 videos, not sure if it's useful to have them all in the performance table
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01:56:42markunwho's ever going to use a 128x128 video on a 320x240 screen for example
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02:02:50amiconnYeah, of course not all those videos are needed in the performance table for each target
02:03:55amiconnJust the 3 (or 2, if either 4:3 == fullscreen or 16:9 == fullscreen)
02:05:05markunis anyone working on a player with 16:9 == fullscreen?
02:05:24markunI mean working on a rockbox port to such a plauer
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02:07:35amiconnNah, that was just for completeness
02:07:47amiconn(although the c200 is closer to 16:9 than to 4:3)
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02:09:46markunare you sure? 1.25 is closer to 1.78 than 1.33?
02:10:02markunAh, c200, sorry
02:10:26amiconn1.65
02:11:05csc`hello #rockbox
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02:12:26markunamiconn: shall I add the greyscale targets to the table as well?
02:12:42amiconnYes, I think that makes sense
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02:12:52amiconnAlthough there is currently no fps display...
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02:13:28*jhMikeS made the fps display show up
02:13:49*amiconn still thinks that mpegplayer should have a 'test' option, replacing 'skip frames', 'limit fps' and 'show fps'
02:14:47amiconnIt should display stats when the video ends or is stopped, in order to minimise influence on playback, and make the info easily readable
02:15:29*amiconn has yet another slight optimisation for SH1 grey_phase_blit()
02:16:02amiconnMaking better use of page mode by reordering accesses, at the cost of using one extra register
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02:18:22crzyboysterAny idea when Cabbie 2.0 will be commited since it's now ready? Or can someone actually try and compile it and give it a test run?
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02:18:56crzyboysterhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443
02:19:26jhMikeSamiconn: that fps bar has been since there the first time I ever compiled mpegplayer
02:24:39crzyboysterSo no one knows?
02:26:16markunamiconn: could the M3 play videos on the remote?
02:26:33amiconnNot sure yet
02:26:55amiconnThe remote lcd is serial. It depends on whether I can manage to pump data fast enough
02:27:58amiconnThere's one way to ensure this - switching the lcd to mono mode while using the greyscale lib (cuts number of bits per frame in half), but then partial greyscale wouldn't work
02:28:33amiconnHmm, or perhaps I could make it work, reducing the outside stuff to b&w dynamically...
02:28:48amiconnNot really difficult given the pixel format
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02:33:52markunamiconn: can you spot any mistakes? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Choosing_a_resolution
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02:37:32amiconnNo. I would just reorder the lists. As player names vary a lot for a resolution, I would order them by resolution
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02:40:56markunsmallest first
02:40:57markun?
02:41:07markun(like the performance screen)
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02:41:16amiconnNah, largest first. We want to show off ;)
02:44:11markunhm, which should come first, 132x80 or 128x128? :)
02:44:13*jhMikeS looks for 640x480
02:44:51amiconn128*128 > 132*80
02:44:58markunjhMikeS: the D2 doesn't play video yet, does it?
02:45:20markunamiconn: but with a 19:6 movie you have a bigger image on the c200 :)
02:45:24*jhMikeS wants two interesting targets 1) D2 (dual core) 2) mrobe500 (to make a hw decoder)
02:45:25markun16:9 even
02:46:29markunanyway, time for sleep
02:46:31markungood night!
02:46:36kugeljhMikeS: why do you need D2 for dual core fun?
02:47:12jhMikeSisn't D2 a dual core TCC? hopefully cache handling is better there than on PP.
02:49:21jhMikeSbut I have a gigabeast to work on which itself has some nice video possibilities
02:49:53LloreanSomeone said the Gigabeast's video out actually offers some higher resolutions than the screen itself
02:54:59jhMikeSI don't think the datasheets for that are online but I'm not aware of anyone attempting to actually get ahold of it beyond that
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03:01:50markunjhMikeS: I think I've found it: http://ingeninge.homelinux.net/ingmar/zenega/Datenbl%E4tter/FS453-4___FS455-6_SW_v31.pdf
03:02:07JdGordonthe c200 doesnt have a wheel right?
03:02:36LloreanNo wheel
03:03:10JdGordonjust making sure before i make a fool of myself on the tracker :p
03:03:59*jhMikeS saves that in case it's a lucky fluke
03:05:16JdGordonis it just me, or is the database impossible to initialise with the sim?
03:05:50jhMikeSJdGordon: not the last time I tried it
03:06:31kugelJdGordon: it#s you
03:06:42*JdGordon tries again
03:06:50kugelJdGordon: However, maybe you made the same mistake I did once
03:07:02kugelyou have the music in .rockbox, and not in archos
03:07:24JdGordonno, my music is in archos/music
03:07:36JdGordonbuilding database...
03:08:20***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:08:40JdGordonclose the sim to restart it and....
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03:09:04JdGordon... db not ready
03:09:38kugelweird
03:09:55kugelwhat are you testing?
03:10:12kugelsome further improvement of the vp-list code?
03:10:21JdGordonwell, i want to fix some pictureflow bugs... but cant do anything without the db going
03:10:29JdGordonclean svn
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03:10:53kugelfs#8335 fixes some
03:11:30JdGordonyeah, I was going to commit that last night but did the button renaming instead
03:13:46kugellol
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03:16:34kugelthough, I wanted to include a fix for fs#8347 in a newer version of 8335 before committing
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03:36:16zenobius+1 for vcard reader on ipods videos
03:36:33zenobius(and ical too)
03:36:34Llorean+1 for "we look forward to patches"
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03:40:44zenobiuswindows now sniffs my ipod as "rockbox media player" and wont mount if i cancel driver search
03:41:37zenobiustemporary thing i spose?
03:46:26jhMikeShint - disk mode
03:46:46zenobiushint - it wokred before regardless of connecting mode
03:47:11zenobiusi can be a smart alec too
03:47:15jhMikeSin rockbox it won't
03:47:22zenobiusyes it diiiiiid
03:47:44*jhMikeS isn't aware the USB work was completed in rockbox yet
03:48:47zenobiusoh ok so my previous 1.5 years of using rockbox on my ipod 5g was an illusion? all those years i was in rockbox, plugging it in to my puter (win/linux) and it mounting auto to diskmode was a halucination?
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03:49:12zenobiusnvm, ill be back in another 2 years
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04:34:44BillWenrich|freeHello - I am back again.
04:35:03BillWenrich|freeReporting a fully working and functional install on a first gen. iPod nano
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04:36:42BillWenrich|flxBecause the documentation of Rockbox on the iPod -particularly key controls for plugins - is unfinished, I am requesting
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04:37:11BillWenrich|flxin order to aid in the completion and accuracy of the iPod documentation.
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04:55:08jhMikeSHow are these for resume options? Names for items? jhmikes.cleansoap.org/dump%20640732-083516.bmp">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/dump%20640732-083516.bmp
04:58:28kugellink doesn't work
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05:00:02jhMikeShrm I can go to it
05:01:08JdGordonlink works here also
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05:03:19JdGordonarg... ok im not doing something wrtong.... how the heck do i get the db to init in the sim? :(
05:04:03jhMikeSI always did it the same way I would on target. reboot = close sim and restart it
05:04:22JdGordonthats what im doing
05:04:46JdGordonit creates the database_tmp.tcd file, but the other files arnt being done
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05:05:07JdGordonunless its a bloody lack of dircache thing again?
05:06:05jhMikeSIt's a sim for e200 or something?
05:06:11JdGordonyeah
05:06:17JdGordone200 is my usual sim
05:06:56jhMikeStry another one and see. I did it on ones that had it.
05:07:08JdGordonh100 is the same.. so there goes that idea
05:07:25JdGordongrrr!
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05:08:07fah-qnew to rockbox and i have a couple questions
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05:10:14fah-qanybody on that is willing to help out a noob?
05:10:32safetydanfah-q: easier to just ask your questions
05:11:22fah-qfair enough... got an iriver h10 20 gb... i just added a bunch of music and now its not showing up in my playlists or anywhere on my player, is there certain software i have to use?
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05:19:28JdGordonfah-q: how did you copy them onto the player?
05:21:45fah-qusm mode just made a music folder and dragged it into the drive, the folder dissapeard and i cant remember how to unhide the folders
05:22:27JdGordonget to the quickscreen and change it to show all files
05:23:52fah-qquickscreen?
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05:24:45JdGordonor go settings > general > file view > "show files"
05:25:07fah-qoh ok
05:26:34fah-qi can see the files now if i go to files
05:26:39mike_hey, I have an 4th gen iPod which I'm going to convert to use CF (hdd = dead) and I was wondering if I could some how hack together some FM receiver into it and be able to use Rockbox since it does have FM support for players that already have a receiver
05:27:20mike_and I was wondering if anyone would think this is possible and give me some sort of direction / help on this
05:27:39fah-qso how do i get the database working?
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05:40:58safetydanfah-q: the manual should explain how
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05:43:11kugelweird, why didn't the link work for me?
05:44:00kugelanyway, I'm gone, cu
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05:44:53jhMikeSJdGordon: how do I get names opt items to always be in top-down order? they're coming out reversed.
05:45:07JdGordon?
05:45:27jhMikeSThey're in the reverse order of the enum values in that image
05:45:51JdGordononce more?
05:46:52jhMikeSnot sure what that means. it's just using set_option.
05:47:26JdGordonshow me a patch pr something.. i have nfi what your talking about!
05:47:40JdGordonother than your using set_option wrong :p
05:52:52jhMikeSJdGordon: here's the important pieces: http://rafb.net/p/H7D0mP59.html
05:54:24fah-qthanks for the help dan
05:55:06JdGordonjhMikeS: they are shown in reverse order?
05:55:57jhMikeSJdGordon: yeah, the image is still up at the same link
05:55:58JdGordonno idea why that would happen im afraid :(
05:58:04JdGordonuse the new api instead?
05:58:55JdGordondo any other plugins still use set_option?
05:59:57jhMikeSI don't know. What plugins use the new apis?
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06:00:00JdGordonshouldnt make a different but add =0 to the first item?
06:00:08jhMikeStried that
06:01:10JdGordonrun it thorugh gdb and make sure item[] is actually in the correct order?
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06:36:57loklaanhey everyone
06:44:16loklaancan someone help me, i need to change a permission for a file
06:44:24loklaanusing vmware
06:45:10scorchehttp://www.google.com/search?q=change+permissions+linux
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06:54:27loklaanhmm still dont know how to change the permissions
06:54:53loklaanhave to do something like "chmod o+w FILENAME.TXT"
06:54:56loklaanright?
06:55:11loklaani do something like that, nothing happens, not even errors
06:58:34safetydangenerally if something works under a Unix type system, it won't say anything
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07:04:41zetakes a "no news is good news" approach
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07:53:37loklaanhaha cool
07:53:42loklaansorry was having dinner :P
07:53:55loklaanwell sadly that concept wasnt working
07:54:22loklaanso i just deleted all the files that had set permissions for someone else and used svn to update and download them while in user
07:54:27loklaanfixed my problem
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08:52:53GodEateris anyone going to look into commiting cabbie2.0 now it's all done ?
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09:02:52JdGordonGodEater: well whats the plan for it?
09:03:00JdGordonis it just giong to go in as an option?
09:03:10JdGordonor hard coded to be the default?
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09:03:50GodEaterwell I think initially it can be commited as an alternative - just like iCatcher
09:04:02GodEaterI'm not sure who is going to make the final call on "it's the new default wps"
09:04:33GodEaterdo we need to vote on it ? (And by 'we' - I mean the regulars here)
09:05:14JdGordonim fine with it as an option... but not so happy about it being the default
09:05:14krazykitsince when is Orpheus a democracy ;)
09:05:33GodEaterJdGordon: you prefer the current default then ?
09:05:42JdGordonno
09:06:15GodEaterso why is this not a good default then ?
09:07:26JdGordonim not saying its not... a few more options would be good
09:08:23GodEaterI think we'll be waiting a LONG time before we get other good candidates
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09:08:34GodEaterit's taken over 6 months just to get this one
09:08:55GodEaterand in any case, if a better one comes along later, we can just change it can't we ?
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09:09:41JdGordonbut we wouldnt though...
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09:11:11LinusNi think cabbie2.0 is very good looking, and also has a rockboxish touch
09:11:22LinusNi use it and i like it
09:11:26GodEaterme too
09:11:30*markun was just about to ask LinusN for his opinion :)
09:11:31LinusNi have no problems having it as the default
09:11:32GodEatergets my vote for default FWIW
09:11:40markunmine too
09:11:47LinusNthere is one small quirk with it
09:11:54markuneven if I'm not sure if I'm going to use it
09:11:56LinusNthe hardcoded english strings
09:12:03GodEaterah yes
09:12:09LinusNbut i don't really care that much
09:12:26GodEaterit's a good default as you say
09:12:46GodEaternon-native speakers will prefer it I think to the current default, even given that quirk
09:12:56LinusNand using cabbe as the default calls for a black splash screen
09:12:59GodEaterand then once they're seasoned users, they can change it
09:13:10GodEateryes I did wonder about that
09:13:44GodEaterit obviously wasn't something the WPS creators could do much about during the competition
09:15:40LinusNi think they did a wonderful job with cabbie2.0 and i think it deserves being the default, and rockbox desperately needs a good default
09:15:59LinusNit's not like we can't stop improving it
09:16:03GodEaterhas anyone checked the flyspray entry's attached zip to make sure it's up to scratch ?
09:16:09LinusNi haven't
09:16:45*GodEater goes to download it
09:17:24GodEaterso which dictator is going to make the final call then ? ;)
09:18:06LinusN:-)
09:18:13GodEaterwow - it's a very thorough FS entry!
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09:18:45LinusNi don't think many of the core devs have much against having cabbie as the default
09:19:00LinusNit's after all only the default
09:19:25GodEateryes, but someone's got to take the plunge and actually type "svn add" ;)
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09:19:51LinusNi could do that if i only had the time
09:21:07GodEaterthe zip file still needs tidying up - it's still got thumbs.db files in it =/
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09:21:51*GodEater takes care of it
09:22:08JdGordonhey Zagor, can you fix the irc web client to all -community please?
09:22:21ZagorI'll take a look
09:22:40pondlifeGodEater: Well spotted on the thumbs.db :)
09:22:42JdGordonGodEater: dcc it my way and ill commit..
09:22:57*amiconn does have something against any graphical intensive wps becoming the default, unless load times are brought down significantly
09:23:17LinusNamiconn: you are free to use another wps
09:23:18GodEateramiconn: but do you actually *use* the default
09:23:44ZagorJdGordon: done
09:23:45happytronwhat is a good ARM disassembler?
09:23:49JdGordonZagor: cheers :)
09:23:53pondlifeWill the existing default still be available?
09:24:00LloreanGodEater: I use the default with peakmeters removed and a different backdrop
09:24:03pondlifeI mean, if someone clears settings?
09:24:07amiconnYes, on some targets. Because it's one of the wps'es *not* using gfx, hence loads fast
09:24:12LinusNhappytron: Ida Pro. just sell your house and buy a license :-)
09:24:14LloreanClearing settings should reset you to the "default" .wps file
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09:24:18JdGordonpondlife: yes, i have to make sure it will still load the text one if the .wps isnt there
09:24:20GodEateroh god, it's got .DS_Store crap in it too
09:24:27LloreanBut the compiled in one should load if the file is missing.
09:24:38amiconnNow where is that multivalue bmp strip code? Should help a good deal...
09:25:30LinusNthe only thing that we would change is having a default file name in the WPS setting, right?
09:25:38JdGordonamiconn: gui/icon.c
09:25:49happytronLinusN, there isn't a good free one?
09:26:01LinusNhappytron: objdump
09:26:11pondlifeamiconn: How well is mpegplayer doing on SH1 targets now?
09:26:15LinusNand i think we have one in rockbox svn, don't we?
09:26:29*pondlife should never have sold his Recorder V1. :/
09:26:50JdGordonGodEater: bah, if you want it commited, someone needs to fix apps/settings_list.c and set the defaults for the theme....
09:26:56JdGordonfont/wps/colours/etc
09:27:30JdGordonhmm....
09:27:44JdGordonthat actually means it will look wierd if parts of the theme is missing
09:28:03LinusNJdGordon: all wps'es look weird if things are missing
09:28:16LinusNin fact, rockbox works weird if things are missing
09:28:25LinusNmissing codecs or plugins
09:28:51JdGordontrue... ok, fix settings_list and it can go in
09:29:00LinusNrockbox needs planty of files to work, why should the wps'es be any different?
09:29:06LinusNplenty, even
09:29:34GodEaterif I fix settings_list.c, should I also change the splash screen too ?
09:29:36LinusNi still think we need to address the loading time issue one day
09:29:49LinusNi think the color targets should have a black splash
09:30:08markunShould this be move to "general"? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14872.msg111031
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09:31:43amiconnpondlife: Hahaha....
09:32:12pondlifeNo, I was serious (on both points).
09:32:58pondlifeBack in the day, RVF was needed and it was always said there was no chance of realtime MPEG.
09:33:10pondlifeBut your recent commits make me wonder if it's within grasp.
09:33:12amiconnrvf is still needed
09:35:11JdGordoncan alex wallis "accidently" be unsubscribed from the dev ml?
09:35:33LinusNJdGordon: :-)
09:35:42*pondlife sniggers at the suggestion
09:36:18LinusNi think he has some valid points, although he fails to see the whole picture
09:36:20*Llorean wouldn't mind if a suggestion were added to the etiquette saying "If you're subscribed to discuss, and not simply to read, please don't use digest as we all like our threaded views, kthx"
09:36:39LinusNLlorean: i agree
09:36:56LloreanBut I think our etiquette for the list is simple a link to some RFC at the moment.
09:37:03JdGordonLlorean: you missed the lol at the end...
09:37:09pondlifeOMG!
09:37:13LinusNWTF!
09:37:34GodEaterBBQ!
09:38:05pondlifeGodEater: Because I'm too lazy to read the logs, did you get any progress on the starved-buffering-at-startup issue?
09:38:37LloreanAh, no, we have a real list etiquette page.
09:38:40LloreanIt's just never read.
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09:39:16GodEaterpondlife: the last I saw jhMikes and Nico_P were still discussing it
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09:39:30pondlifeOK, will read logs...
09:39:39GodEaterI still have my "go straight to debug screen, do not pass Go, do not collect $200" build on my ipod though
09:40:00webguest68OMGWTFBBQLOL!!!1!!1one
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09:40:15GodEaterin fact, I was going to mention, I saw *one* instance this morning where I got the stutter without a completely empty pcmbuf
09:40:20GodEaterbut it's the only time I've seen it
09:40:23pondlife+1 for being a wbguest there
09:40:27markunLinusN: yesterday I found the datasheet of the FS456 online (TV out on the Gigabeat S), but I'm not sure if we are alowed to host it in our wiki, what do you think?
09:40:48pondlifemarkun: Link to it?
09:40:49GodEaterhe forgot to do this : OMGWTFBBQLOL!!!1!!1one11!!!eleven!1
09:40:54JdGordondoh!
09:41:03JdGordoni mean... *looks around*
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09:41:19markunpondlife: man, you are REALLY lazy! ;)
09:41:28pondlifeIndeed I am.
09:41:49pondlifeMaybe I'll get off my butt and commit keyclick today. Or maybe I won't.
09:42:01GodEaterplease - no!
09:42:03markunhttp://ingeninge.homelinux.net/ingmar/zenega/Datenbl%E4tter/FS453-4___FS455-6_SW_v31.pdf
09:42:06*GodEater values his eardrums
09:42:16LinusNmarkun: i think you can link to it, but make sure you save a local copy for yourself
09:42:23*pondlife doesn't value GodEater's eardrums
09:42:32pondlifeGet my own back for the arm.
09:42:42GodEaterhehehe
09:42:48GodEaterit's a fair cop I suppose
09:42:55markunLinusN: yes, I remember how Samsung took the S3C2440 datasheet offline just days after I made a local copy :)
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09:43:08JdGordonpondlife: forgot about keyclick... if i remember ill test it on my new sansa and let you know
09:43:16JdGordon.. or just commit it defaulting to disabled
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09:44:51pondlifeIt will be disabled by default. I believe it makes all PP target scream.
09:45:23pondlifeBut I have no such target, and no owner of such a target has updated pcmbuf_beep, AFAIK.
09:45:47pondlifeMaybe if I commit, and PP users try it, there will be a better chance of a pcmbuf fix.
09:46:52markunLinusN: in the same folder is also a datasheet describing the hardware side of the FS456, I'll save that as well
09:47:06LinusNmarkun: do that
09:47:08pondlifeLlorean: Regarding the ML, does it say that the dev list should be for developers discussing development, not users pushing patches?
09:47:38Lloreanpondlife: This is the full description: "This is the developers list. We talk source code, bugs, internal design, commit reviews, porting issues and how to write efficient code."
09:48:06pondlifeSounds good.
09:48:17LloreanIt doesn't say not to push patches.
09:48:17LinusNmaybe i'm in an unusually good mood today, but i wasn't very offended by alex's posts
09:48:26LloreanI wasn't offended by his post either.
09:48:53pondlifeI wasn't oiffended either too.
09:48:55LloreanBut I felt he didn't spend very much time looking into things before commenting on him.
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09:49:39LinusNthat is true
09:50:09LloreanThe only irritating bit for me was the fact that he didn't keep the thread.
09:51:12LloreanAnd of course "the time has come to drop the archos." It's still our largest capacity HD player, as well as offering the easiest to acquire replaceable batteries, and recording functions. For some people, I imagine it's still a staple of use.
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09:57:09LinusNLlorean: heh, i have been a "drop the Archos Player" proponent for quite some time
09:57:29Llorean"The Archos Player" is different from "The archoses in general" though
09:58:06pondlifeWork is pushing for me to use the .NET framework. Bagder's blog entry on Java sums up my feelings nicely. (With a healthy dose of platform-politics on top.)
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09:59:24LloreanI wouldn't mind dropping the Archoses in general, if there were a [i]really[/i] good reason for it. They are pretty old. But I don't think "So the voice file can get huge and voice all the plugins" is quite significant enough. :)
09:59:51pondlifeVoicing plugins shouldn't require a bigger voice file anyway.
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10:00:02LloreanI think plugins should be able to have their own talk files anyway.
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10:00:09LloreanOr, talk file per plugin
10:00:11LloreanSomething like that
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10:00:27pondlifeExactly. mpegplayer.english.voice (and .lang)
10:00:35LloreanBasically, yes.
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10:02:58markunhowmany button repeats are generated in 1 second?
10:03:16Tokihi, my rockbox on h340 suddenly become resetting all my settings after player's restart... anyone knows why it can happen?
10:03:48GodEatercorrupt filesystem where the config.cfg file is stored ?
10:05:04Tokithanks, I'll try check disc
10:05:29GodEaterLinusN: wrt to changing the colour of the splash - should I leave the default LCD_DEFAULT_BG alone, and explicitly set the colour in show_logo(), or would you change the #def ?
10:05:37markunlinuxstb: would you be willing to generate 'a few' more encodings of elephants dream?
10:06:00linuxstbmarkun: Sure, once my hangover clears and I can think again...
10:06:08linuxstbWhat do we need?
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10:06:11markun:)
10:06:13GodEaterout celebrating something ? :)
10:06:18LinusNGodEater: hmmm, i think only the splash
10:06:24GodEaterLinusN: ok
10:07:25markunlinuxstb: I changed some values and added the ipod mini and sansa c200: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Choosing_a_resolution
10:08:09markunit would be nice to have 3 versions for each target (as amiconn suggested) : fullscreen, 4:3 and 16:9
10:08:24markunand only test those 3 in the performance table
10:08:34linuxstbDon't most targets have a 4:3 screen anyway?
10:08:42markunno, most have 5:4
10:09:31markunat least in pixels, I assumed they all have square pixels
10:10:30linuxstbIs it really worth encoding both 176x132 and 176x128 for the Nano (for example) ?
10:11:27markunmaybe fullscreen and 16:9 is enough for those 5:$ targets
10:11:30markun5:4
10:11:46Zagorfyi: new cgiirc version installed, and some settings tweaked: 1) users can now /join #rockbox-community (but nothing else) 2) realname now show the user's hostname in plain text
10:13:02peturZagor: now all we need is a silly default nick
10:13:18ZagorI'm open for suggestions :)
10:13:55LloreanFor 5:4 targets, why not just always do a 4:3 encode?
10:14:08LloreanI doubt most people will spot the 4 non-used pixels on the nano for example
10:16:34linuxstbI would be curious to test how ffmpeg compares to the encoder I'm using (mpegenc from mjpegtools) - IIRC, in the early days of mpegplayer, I got faster decoding speeds with mpegenc files compared to ffmpeg.
10:16:49markunyes, I remember that as well
10:17:09GodEaterthrow mencoder into the mix too ;)
10:17:12markunbut I've always used ffmpeg so far
10:17:17Lloreanmencoder is ffmpeg
10:17:23LloreanOr at least, they're both libavcodec for mpeg2 video
10:17:27GodEaterah
10:17:35Lloreanafaik, at least
10:17:38GodEaterthey definitely produce different output though
10:17:41linuxstbIt could be worth testing mencoder though - it may well produce different outout....
10:17:53GodEaterjust this morning I couldn't get a file produced with mencoder to playback on windows
10:17:59GodEaterwhile the same thing with ffmpeg would
10:18:07LloreanStrange.
10:20:22GodEateractually - let me clarify that
10:20:32GodEaterI was using mencoder to rotate a video I'd shot with my camera
10:20:42GodEaterwhich (AFAIK) is impossible to do with ffmpeg alone
10:20:53GodEaterthe resulting output definitely wouldn't playback under windows
10:21:35GodEaterI then used ffmpeg on that output video (though not doing clever anything to it)
10:21:43GodEaterand the result played back fine
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10:28:30TokiI'm sorry, my problem persists after disc check
10:28:40Tokithe player resets settings to defaults
10:29:16Tokimaybe I should rename the file with my config to config.cfg and thus make it default?
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10:29:21Lloreanlinuxstb: Don't forget that with new encodes, we should be setting a group of pictures value to aid seeking
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10:30:04linuxstbI think I'm using 12 or 15 frames per GOP.
10:30:34LloreanOkay
10:32:51markunI've made some changes to make seeking acceleration fluent. Should I adapt it to use the same settings we have now or is it ok to have for example "off,slow,normal,fast"?
10:34:50linuxstbI can see the appeal of "off, slow etc", but personally I would prefer them to say exactly what they're doing.
10:35:10linuxstbBut I don't really mind.
10:35:34markunit's not very difficult to do, but I need to change my implementation.
10:35:46markunDoes anyone know howmany button repeats are genrated every second?
10:36:00markunto calculate the right log values
10:36:48markunI'll just "use the source" :)
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10:45:26GodEateris calling a "settings_load_config()" with the relevant theme file the best way to set this new default theme up ?
10:47:44*GodEater answers his own question with a "no, probably not"
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10:53:30GodEaterhmm - the changes required in settings_list.c to make cabbie 2.0 the new default look to be quite large
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10:55:35amiconnmarkun: Button repeat has its own acceleration
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10:58:28linuxstbGodEater: Is there a patch somewhere now?
10:59:46linuxstbGodEater: Do you know if anyone has thought about if/how we're going to add the required font to the build .zip?
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11:03:38amiconnpondlife: While the greyscale lib got a lot faster on archos, I don't think the SH will be able to decode mpeg video anywhere realtime, even though it can offload audio decoding to the mas
11:04:27GodEaterlinuxstb: I'm trying to write said patch now
11:04:37GodEaterand no - I've no idea how we're going to add the required font to the build.zip
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11:04:51pondlifeWhich font does it use?
11:04:59amiconnThe old graylib caused 48% cpu load in the isr (44% on Ondio) and allowed an update speed of 4.3fps (4.6fps) with ~30 shades. The new lib now causes 57% cpu load in the isr (Ondio: 52%), and updates at 24.5fps (29.2fps)
11:06:03linuxstbpondlife: Various... See here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443
11:07:08pondlifeSo it's he Sazanami.. font we're lacking?
11:07:25pondlifeAnd mix12?
11:07:51*pondlife changes the font to Nimbus 12 after applying Cabbie 2.0 anyway
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11:10:02GodEaterI think the suggestion LinusN made to me earlier about not using LCD_DEFAULT_BG needs rethinking
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11:10:28LinusNGodEater: still a flash?
11:10:59GodEaterno - it's just that if we're using this as the default theme, then it makes sense to use the values in the .cfg file
11:11:14GodEaterotherwise we've got an default bg colour, which we never use as the default
11:11:42Buschelhi all! afaik the cop on dual core machines is not used at all during normal audio playback? and, the cop uses same clock than cpu, right?
11:11:47GodEatersince settings_list.c sets the bg and fg colours to LCD_DEFAULT_BG/FG currently - I wouldn't want to change those lines without a good reason
11:11:56GodEaterI'd prefer to change the values of the #defs
11:12:04GodEateriyswim
11:12:12LinusNi have no problem of using white on black as the default
11:12:41GodEaterand then I can do away with the line I just added to misc.c in show_logo()
11:15:36GodEatersettings_list.c is going to be a mess of #ifdef's now
11:15:43GodEaterI can't see another way of doing it though
11:15:48GodEateranyone got any bright ideas ?
11:19:53LinusNwhy so?
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11:23:00GodEaterto put the default setting to the correct value based on LCD size ?
11:23:15GodEater#ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR won't cut it now for example ??
11:24:17GodEaterunless I'm being particularly obtuse...
11:25:10GodEateractually - that was a bad example - it's the LCD_BITMAP ones which will need to be target specific
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11:27:51GodEateris the order the settings get setup in that file important ? It strikes me we could consolidate a lot of the #ifdef's that are already there
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11:35:24LinusNno, i don't believe the order is important
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12:20:27preglowwow, that pp power patch looks promising
12:25:13GodEaterhttp://pastebin.ca/850707
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12:25:27GodEaterThat's a snippet of what settings_list.c will have to look like now
12:25:32GodEaterany instant comments ?
12:25:35CHAMIHello
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12:26:02CHAMIȤ ѱ Ű?
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12:27:06GodEateralthough I've not actually got round to changing most of the settings yet
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12:29:33linuxstbGodEater: Did you look at my patch for incorporating iCatcher as the default theme?
12:29:49GodEaterno - I didn't know there was one
12:30:09linuxstbIt's been around for months...
12:30:37linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6568
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12:30:58linuxstbWow, it was 12 months ago....
12:31:07GodEaterah - that's a neater way of doing it yes
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12:32:46GodEateris being a bit more specific about the target LCD sizes a bad thing do you think ?
12:33:07GodEaterI want to avoid someone having to come back and change this when we have still more targets
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12:48:29linuxstbNo, I think you have to be specific - e.g. the backdrops won't work on any other LCDs.
12:49:10GodEaterok - I'll still with my original #ifs then
12:53:57GodEateriCatcher looks like it's built quite cleverly
12:54:12GodEateri.e. the WPS file is always called the same thing, regardless of the target
12:55:38amiconnOf course
12:56:08amiconnThis is handled by buildzip
12:56:12amiconn(iirc)
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12:59:54GodEaterI don't think my perlfu is up to this then
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13:02:05GodEaterlooks like it's actually wpsbuild.pl
13:03:45linuxstbWhat do you need to change in wpsbuild.pl?
13:05:18GodEaterI've no idea
13:05:27GodEaterI don't know if I need to touch it at all
13:06:05GodEateror if I need to rename the files in the zip file for cabbie 2.0 so that wpsbuild finds them all ok
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13:11:59Nico_Pwpsbuild.pl needs support for gradient settings IIUC
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13:14:07PaulJamwhen cabbie becomed default, could someone make the solitaire plugin not use the backdrop and use a solid colour (maybe the classic green) instead? It doesn't really look good with dark/black backdrops.
13:16:08markunPaulJam: I agree with that
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13:17:07pondlifeGodEater: Darn it, you mentioned pub and drink, but not beer.
13:17:11peturI always wondered why the green background had to go
13:17:46*petur just filled the fridge with some nice bottles :)
13:18:05pondlifeDo many plugins use the default backdrop, or do most set their own solid colour/backdrop?
13:18:31peturmost have their own iirc
13:18:51*pondlife is just being hypothetical, no real need for answers... ;)
13:19:15*petur shuts up
13:19:25pondlifeShut up 'n drink yr beer.
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13:44:54linuxstbShouldn't we just make plugin.c clear the backdrop before loading any plugin?
13:47:28amiconnThat was discussed back when the change in solitaire happened
13:47:59amiconnIt should be left to th eplugin whether it sets its own backdrop and colours
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13:49:14amiconnSimple, text based plugins (e.g. disktidy, vbrfix, ...) will look more integrated when the user settings are kept
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13:53:16broomGodEater: if the settings require such a #ifdef mess why not put them to the target tree (i.e. xxx-config.h)?
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14:09:32DerPapstgood day :-)
14:10:23peturgoodmorning ;)
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14:31:23AlexMaxI'm having trouble with my 30G 5th gen ipod and rockbox. After not using my rockboxed ipod for a while, i decided to install itunes, install the latest firmware, and then reinstall rockbox using the installer. Rockbox now works (though it's still fussy about turning on sometimes), but I'm having a problem getting Windows XP to recognize it.
14:32:21AlexMaxWith the origional itunes, it behaved like a disk as it should. However, when i try plugging in my rockboxed ipod, i get a message about needing to find a driver for the rockbox. None exists that I can find, and thus I can't seem to access the ipod any longer.
14:32:50DomonokyAlexMax: boot into the OF for usb...
14:33:00AlexMaxWhen plugging it in to my computer, it doesn't automatically shift into 'disk mode' like it used to, and I can't access it from Windows XP.
14:33:18Domonokyusb on ipods isnt ready in rockbox.. so just dual boot into the of..
14:33:31LinusNAlexMax: you need to run the Apple firmware for USB mode
14:34:17AlexMaxWait a second...something weird just happened. I turned the thing off, and immediatly it turned on again, and now it's in disk mode.
14:34:27AlexMaxNo idea how that happened.
14:37:09AlexMaxOkay, after a few more tries, I booted into the apple firmware and now it's using disk mode.
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14:37:32AlexMaxHowever, I remember an old verison of rockbox automatically rebooting into disk mode when I plug it in to my computer, is there any way to get that behavior back?
14:38:14Domonokynope, this was removed to allow usb charging with 500ma in rockbox....
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14:38:35Domonokysomeday in the future you will get usb directly in rockbox, so no need to reboot... :-)
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14:40:23AlexMaxDomonoky: ipod faq says otherwise, so it might be a good idea to update it to be a little more up to date :)
14:40:28AlexMaxthanks for your help
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14:41:58DomonokyAlexMax: its a wiki.. so you can also update.. :-)
14:42:41AlexMaxDomonoky: What is "charging with 500ma" anyway, and how is it different than normal charging?
14:42:59Bagderma == milliampere
14:43:27Bagderand that is what many people would call "normal" charging... :-)
14:44:06DomonokyUSB has low and high power, high (e.g. 500ma) has to be requested by software...
14:44:30markunotherwise it's 100ma, right?
14:45:01LinusNyes
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14:45:39Volcano:)
14:45:59Volcanocan i get some support here for my ipod 4th gen rockbox port?
14:47:14*Bagder hands Volcano a package of support. The green box.
14:47:41*Domonoky prods LinusN for genlang.cgi .. :-)
14:48:02*petur attaches 'money back if not happy' label to package
14:48:22*Volcano is crushed by the weight of the green box
14:49:22Volcanobasicly my pc doest identify rockbox as a mass storage thing
14:49:43LinusNVolcano: you need to run the Apple firmware for USB mode
14:49:45Volcanoso i cant enter the space n all
14:49:51peturboot into apple OS before connecting
14:50:07Volcanothats with holding menu right?
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14:52:53Volcanowell the problem my battery is down, when i hold the menu button it boots apple firmware and starts charging, then its charged a bit and its magicly boots rockbox and it doesnt charge in rockbox, ergo battery doesnt get charged and i cannot enter it
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14:57:04bughunter2goodday, i've got a little question about rockbox on the iriver h300. will rockbox charge the battery when booted into 'bootloader usb mode' ? (that text msg is all it shows on the screen, no battery indicator)
14:57:32peturnot with the currently released one
14:57:35Volcanono,
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14:57:59DerPapstVolcano: flip "hold" on to boot the OF
14:58:08Volcanosigh i wish my h300 didnt die
14:58:43DerPapstdid it or just the harddrive?
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14:58:49markunbughunter2: I think so, because charging is hardware controlled
14:59:20salty-horsehi. the text viewer crashes when I click the "right" button. has anyone else noticed that?
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14:59:49PaulJamsalty-horse: with every text file?
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15:00:14markunsalty-horse: never noticed it. It should jump to the end of the file..
15:00:36salty-horseonly tried with one: http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext95/study10.txt
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15:01:44Volcanothank you for helping out, really appriciate it. wouldnt know what to do without rockbox, half my collection is in flac :)
15:02:06AlexMaxa good portion of mine is in mpc
15:02:15markunsalty-horse: at least the sim doesn't crash..
15:03:05salty-horsesec, let me describe the exact steps
15:04:33*Domonoky just got his 3d g sensor working...* jay* .. (not for rockbox of course) .. :-)
15:05:51salty-horseusing r15994 (very recent). wordwrap on. line mode: reflow. wide view: yes. scrollbar: off. load file. click "left" - "Data abort as <address>"
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15:09:12bughunter2markun: i thought the same thing but somehow my battery is broken
15:09:15bughunter2:P
15:09:23bughunter2it constantly turns off even while it's charging
15:09:27bughunter2(only when charging from USB)
15:10:50PaulJamsalty-horse: i can confirm, that the uisim crashes with those settings.
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15:13:17salty-horsewhat's uisim?
15:13:25petursimulator
15:13:39salty-horseshould I file a report?
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15:16:35salty-horsethere's a problem with the severity field in flyspray.. the drop down widget is empty and beside I see the text "CriticalHighMediumLowVery Low"
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15:19:22salty-horsePaulJam, petur, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8445
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15:27:26Bagderseems cowon made a sansa e200 clone
15:27:35Bagdercowon u5 => http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.4203.5
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15:28:07Bagderiaudio u5 even
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15:35:26thgzHi
15:35:47thgzI have created a Finnish voice file
15:36:11thgzWhere can I submit it so it would be public? Currently it's only in my computer
15:36:35GodEaterFlyspray please
15:36:36LinusNthgz: which engine did you use?
15:36:50thgzI used ESpeak
15:37:02thgzSorry for that, no other options available
15:37:20LinusNthat's good, then you are at least allowed to distribute it
15:37:39thgzGodeater: Thanks. I thought that it would be the right place but asced for confirmation...
15:37:44pondlifeThe VoiceFiles wiki would be best for a static voice file.
15:37:51LinusNyes
15:38:07pondlifeFlyspray for any lang file or script changes.
15:38:23thgzSo I upload it to the TWiki?
15:38:29*Domonoky waits for LinusNs genlang.cgi, then everybody could easily generate voice files with rbutil :-)
15:38:32GodEateryeah, I misread. Thought he meant a finnish.lang, not a .voice.
15:38:37*GodEater is a bit slow today
15:38:41pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/VoiceFiles
15:39:05pondlifeUnder "voice files for current builds"
15:39:24thgzok
15:39:34LinusNDomonoky: i have a better idea
15:39:37thgzGodeater: No problem
15:39:48DomonokyLinusN: even better ? tell me..
15:40:05LinusNDomonoky: i think we should include a prebuilt file in the rockbox zip file instead
15:40:37LinusNDomonoky: then you can use rbutil to build a voice file for the exact version you have installed
15:40:43linuxstbrockbox-info.txt ?
15:41:22Domonokythat would also be really good.. so the output of genlang -o as a file ? .. doesnt this depend on the language ?
15:41:46LinusNDomonoky: the file should include the ID's, not the strings
15:42:05LinusNhmm
15:42:18LinusNit would need a little more info than just the id's
15:42:23Domonokyjeah the IDs in the correct order would be enough, but the rbutil would need the .lang files aviable somewhre..
15:42:29LinusNyes
15:43:05LinusNit would be so nice to have the voice building self-contained
15:45:46PaulJamDomonoky: couldn't rbutil use svn to get the .lang files?
15:46:50Bagderthe ids with numers are in the lang.h file in the build
15:46:53Bagdernumbers
15:47:11Domonokyhm, i dont know too much about svn, wouldnt rbutil then need a svn client builtin ? or is it possible to retrieve files from svn with curl or like ?
15:47:28linuxstbPaulJam: That wouldn't work with patched builds. I think it would be better for a file to be added to .rockbox as part of a normal build.
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15:48:08linuxstbDomonoky: You could use the web interface...
15:48:53thgzok I'm now in the voice files wiki page
15:49:06thgzDo I attach the file, and edit the table manually?
15:49:13LinusNyes
15:50:17thgzok
15:50:46Domonokyhm, lang.h could be useable, it has all ids in the correct order, and its already there (only has to be included in the zip).... then i would only have to get the .lang files..
15:52:09LinusNi'm afraid that you either have to parse the .lng files, or include the .lang files in the zip ... :-(
15:52:49LinusNotherwise you won't be able to build voices for a custom build
15:52:58Domonokyor use viewvc.cgi to get the .lang files..
15:52:58LinusNmaybe that's not a major loss
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15:53:04loklaanhey everyone
15:53:24LinusNDomonoky: that won't help, since custom builds often have their own lang files
15:53:32loklaani was wondering if someone could help me with using a certain syntax entry in a wds
15:53:34DomonokyLinusN: only custom lang entrys wouldnt be there..
15:54:04thgzwell seems that I need a write permission
15:54:17LinusNDomonoky: of course, but that's bad enough
15:54:24amiconnDomonoky: There would be an ID mismatch when strings are added/removed
15:54:28LinusNDomonoky: otoh, maybe we don't reaally care
15:54:30Domonokyrbutil doesnt support installing custom builds, so no big loss...
15:54:34peturthgz: wiki name?
15:54:53thgzTuukkaOjala
15:54:55DomonokyID mismatch, true.. i already encounterd this on my tests :-)
15:55:36LinusNDomonoky: still, you know the svn revision, and you have the lang.h file, maybe that's enough
15:55:46Bagderlang.h isn't enough
15:56:03Bagderas it contains all known ids
15:56:07thgzForgot to mention my last message was for Petur
15:56:10Bagderand specific models don't use some of them
15:56:20Domonokyah, lang.h isnt filterd for the features ?
15:56:22peturthgz: done
15:56:22Bagderah
15:56:23amiconnlang.h is generated
15:56:39Bagderexactly, lang.h is the specific one generated by genlang at build time
15:56:52Bagderso it is enough
15:56:57Bagderjust not available over svn or similar
15:57:10amiconnNo, since it's target specific
15:57:12Domonokybut its easy to include in the zips..
15:57:18Bagderyes
15:58:25thgzPetur: Thanks much! Finally can submit the voice file :-)
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15:59:01Domonokyso i can just retrieve the voice entries for every id in lang.h and generate clips for it, and finally voicefont it... should work.. :-)
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16:00:34loklaancan someone tell me the syntx order for 1. playing an animation when the charger is plugged in and is charging the player 2. have a still frame when a charger is in but charge is at 100%
16:00:36loklaanplease
16:00:42BagderDomonoky: a pretty slick approach I'd say
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16:02:21loklaancan anyone help me?
16:02:38loklaanthere is no documentation on rockbox that i have found that explains this
16:02:41Bagder"the syntx order" ?
16:02:45loklaanyeah
16:02:48linuxstbAre you asking about the WPS?
16:02:50loklaanyes
16:02:57DomonokyBagder: jup, i will try it this way.. :-)
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16:03:13loklaansorry i thought i stated that before >.<
16:03:57loklaandoes anyone know the order?
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16:04:45linuxstbloklaan: What have you tried so far?
16:05:11loklaanhmm
16:05:15loklaanok i have tried
16:05:42loklaan%?bp<%xdb>
16:05:42loklaan%t1%?bc<%xda>;%t1%?bc<%xdb>
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16:06:13loklaanthat just had bmp "b" show
16:06:16loklaanand no animation
16:06:18loklaanannd
16:06:43loklaan%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xdb|%xda>>;%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xdb|%xdb>>
16:07:11loklaanthough i dont even know how the <%xdb|%xda> works
16:08:16loklaanthat had the same result as my other attempt
16:08:32loklaanand umm just variations of those have yielded the same results
16:08:44loklaanthink you's can help?
16:09:12PaulJamloklaan: you could try something like this: http://pastebin.ca/850865
16:11:15loklaanit would be good if there were SS's so i would know whats going on
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16:12:20PaulJamSS's?
16:12:27loklaanscreenshots
16:13:14loklaanim not sure what the "<%xdb|%xda>" part of "%?bp<%?bc<%xdb|%xda>>" does though, can anyone care to explain please? :S
16:15:12PaulJamShow image b if the devide is charging and show image a when it isn't charging
16:16:04loklaanoooo
16:16:16loklaanthought it would be that
16:16:22loklaanbut i wasnt sure in what order
16:16:27loklaanill retry now
16:19:37loklaanok i entered this "%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xda|%xdb>>;%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xdb|%xdb>>"
16:19:43loklaansame result :(
16:20:13loklaanit SHOULD of switched from a to b when charging right? it didnt
16:23:48loklaancould i just have %?bc<%xdb|%xda>
16:23:48loklaan?
16:23:54PaulJami don't see anything obviously wrong. you could try "%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xda|%xdb>|>;%t1%?bp<%?bc<%xdb|%xdb>|>" , but i don't think it'll make a difference.
16:23:57loklaanin time sequnce
16:24:26loklaanhmm ok
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16:25:12PaulJamcould you paste the whole .wps file somewhere?
16:25:56loklaanumm sure, its a mess though, where were you thinking?
16:26:17PaulJampastebin or something like that
16:26:22loklaanok
16:27:37loklaanhttp://pastebin.ca/850886
16:28:59loklaanno stealing the layout ;]
16:30:45loklaanwwhat do you think?
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16:32:23loklaan%t1%?bc<%xda|%xdb>;%t1%?bc<%xdb|%xdb> shows bmp "b" when the charger isnt even in, so screwww that idea
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16:33:08Hoitoadoes anyone know if rockbox will play .mov files on my sansa
16:33:13PaulJamit should work as far as i can see. if you just use %xda does the image a appear? what device are you using?
16:33:36loklaani am using a iaudio x5
16:33:59loklaanim not even sure if it supports software charge control or monitoring
16:34:24advcomp2019Hoitoa, rockbox will not play the sansa mov files.. read the mpegplayer wiki page
16:34:33PaulJamwell, is the batteryicon in the statusbar in the menus animated while charging?
16:34:35loklaanHoitoa: Rockbox, at the moment, only plays MPEG 2 videos
16:35:12loklaani plug shows
16:35:23loklaanso im out of luck?
16:36:24Hoitoaokay thats what i thought, thanks
16:37:14Domonokyhm... bad, the lang.h file still cant give me enough info for voice file generating.. without features i dont know which voice entry is the correct one in the .lang files... :-//
16:37:55PaulJamhmm, i would have thought that the x5 monitors charging, but i don't own such a device.
16:38:05amiconnIt does not yet
16:38:18amiconniAudio power management still needs work
16:38:33loklaanok thanks for clearing that up amiconn
16:38:45loklaanand thanks heaps for all the help PaulJam ^_^
16:39:08loklaani guess ill just have to have the animation play all the time when the plug is in
16:39:17BagderDomonoky: genlang -o output might be what you need
16:39:51pondlifeWho's the wiki admin?
16:40:10Bagderzagor's the uberadmin
16:40:29pondlifeAnyone able to e-mail me my password?
16:40:36pondlifeSeems my records are wrong
16:40:39DomonokyBagder: yes indeed.. but genlang is perl.. :-/ and it needs the features as input..
16:40:55BagderDomonoky: I meant it should generate a list for inclusion in the zip file
16:41:11DomonokyBagder: for every language ?
16:41:24Bagderehm
16:41:56Bagderbut the Ids: are the same for all languages, right?
16:42:04Domonokyyes...
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16:42:30Bagderso you could get the ids only from the -o output and store that
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16:42:52Domonokyi also can get the ids and the correct order from the lang.h file... but then i still dont know which voice if there is more then one voice entry..
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16:43:40Bagderargh
16:44:33Domonokyjeah... arg... maybe i should just work on rebuilding genlang in rbutil... or LinusN s idea of a genlang.cgi :-)
16:45:38Bagdergenlang.cgi seems easier
16:45:59Bagderalthough
16:46:06Bagderit'll get the problem with different versions
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16:46:17Domonokyi dont know much about cgi, so its a bit out of my scope..
16:46:26Bagderpossibly we could pass in the svn rev number
16:46:53Bagdergenlang.cgi?rev=[rev]&lang=[lang]
16:47:07Domonokyand the target..
16:47:13Bagderoh right
16:47:29Bagderand then simply spit out the genlang -o output
16:47:39Domonokybest would be only a string or id, not the complete features string..
16:48:08Bagderwhat do you mean?
16:48:28Domonokyat moment genlang takes all features as target input..
16:48:41Domonokysomething like: h120:recording:radio.....
16:48:45Bagderright
16:48:57Bagderbut it needs to do that since it can't figure them out by itself
16:49:43Domonokybut how should rbutil know this features ? a buit in list isnt good..
16:49:59Bagderno, either the cgi figures them out or there's a list in the zip
16:50:27Domonokyor the features file generated when the buildservers make voice gets published..
16:50:50Bagderthat's not good enough for when features changes
16:51:04Bagderwe need the specific set for the particular svn rev
16:51:28Domonokythen it would need to be included in the rockbox.zip..
16:51:38Bagderyes, or figured out by the cgi
16:51:49Bagdersince that will get the rev and extract the correct things from svn anyway
16:51:56Domonokymaybe as extra info in rockbox-info.. yes or the cgi knows it, if it can...
16:52:11Bagderit would however be rather complicated to let the cgi figure it out
16:52:48Bagderyes, it could simply be an extra line in rockbox-info.txt
16:52:51DomonokyBagder: do you have time for building such a cgi script, or are you busy as everyone else :-)
16:53:10BagderI'll see what I can do
16:53:35Domonokynice.. :-)
16:54:15Bagdersleep is overrated anyway
16:54:43Domonokyhehe..
16:55:01Domonokyfood too... i have to go shopping... cu later. :-)
16:55:10*pondlife will take any spare sleep you're not using...
16:55:23pondlifePop it in the blue box
16:57:28loklaanAMICONN! still listening? how did you know that the iuadio x5 didnt have power management under wraps?
16:58:44Bagderamiconn knows everything!
16:58:52Bagderincluding what you did last summer
16:58:59loklaan:| oh snap
16:59:18loklaanis he/she a developer of rockbox?
16:59:26Bagderhe is, yes
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17:01:36loklaanokly doke
17:01:42loklaan:| that was gay haha
17:01:56loklaananywho bye bye, im tired sleepy time/naruto time
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18:24:54cara1hey i have a problem
18:25:24cara1i dont know where to put the music on my ipod nano
18:25:35Nico_Pyou can put it anywhere you want
18:25:43cara1its running with newest rockbox version
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18:27:25Tuplanollahum, why did the button layout change and when did it change? i don't like it at all, and i would like to have an option.
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18:28:14DomonokyTuplanolla: you can get your money back if you are not satisfied. :-)
18:28:53TuplanollaDomonoky: :)
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18:29:24Nico_PTuplanolla: you're free to change it back, but the decision was made for the sake of consistency and because people thought it was better that way
18:29:33Tuplanollabut is there any chances of getting a settings menu entry for it?
18:29:37Nico_Pno
18:29:53Tuplanollayeah, that's a thing what others like and some others don't
18:29:59Tuplanollawhy not?
18:30:20Nico_Pbecause it's bloat and would be a support nightmare
18:30:28Nico_Pwhat device do you have btw?
18:30:33Tuplanollae280
18:30:47Nico_Pmy advice is to get used to it... takes a bit of time but you'll eventually manage ;)
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18:31:12Tuplanollaok, thanks anyway
18:32:14Nico_Pwe know this kind of change is inconvenient, but we have to make them at one point
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18:33:52pressure11i have a problem
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18:34:16pressure11the music i add to my ipod is in the wrong folder
18:34:41pressure11its not in database, its in file
18:35:08pressure11where must i put the music rightly?
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18:35:35advcomp2019pressure11, have you rebuilt the database
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18:36:31pressure11how to do that?
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18:37:49advcomp2019pressure11, i think that is in the manual
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18:41:55amiconnwoot
18:42:26*amiconn managed to get rid of audio skipping (mp3) on PP5002 when the greylib is active :)
18:42:33Nico_Pnice
18:43:06amiconnIRAM for the inner loop in the ISR
18:43:46jhMikeSthat's all it was? good to know.
18:44:03amiconnReduces ISR cpu load from 44% to 34% on my G2
18:44:45amiconnSeems like a good idea to write an lcd_write_data() for those greyscale ipods now that I've started lcd-as-gray.S anyway
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18:54:15thgzTuplanolla: I have a sansa e250 and I'm quite familiar with the keyboard layout
18:55:01Tuplanollathgz: ok, it's just like i said earlier
18:55:13Tuplanollasome people like, some others hate
18:56:02Tuplanollaand i think i can always make a patch for it :)
18:56:21BuschelAs the current consumption of PP-targets seems to scale a lot with the cpu frequency i'd like to start a discussion about usage of COP: as far ass i know the COP is not used during normal playback of audio-files −− correct? we also know that on e.g. a 5G-ipod a screen update consumes 0.8MHz of cpu power. With active WPS (=5fps) this leads to an additional load of about 4MHz only for screen update, not taking into account the WPS-stuff itself
18:56:45Buscheloops, din't want to write "ass" -> should be "as" ;o)
18:57:41thgzYep, might do the same thing if I wouldn't like the key layout
18:58:32thgzTuplanolla: Btw, did you use the original firmware before putting Rockbox?
18:59:06Tuplanollathgz: a couple of days, yeah.
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18:59:58thgzAh, I straight put rockbox to the device when I got it
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19:00:19Tuplanollai didn't even know about rb when i got my sansa
19:00:25thgzAnd used the original firmware when it was required
19:00:32pressure11how to put music into the database ? its allway in folder files and not in the database
19:00:50BigBambipressure11: Same as last time you asked, initialise the database
19:00:51thgzPressure11: Please try to update the database
19:01:04pressure11yeah but how
19:01:10pressure11i cant find it in the manual
19:01:15BigBambiby reading the section in the manual on database
19:01:22BigBambiIt is there
19:01:22Tuplanollasettings - database
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19:01:39thgzOr from the database quick menu
19:01:49PaulJamchapter 4.2 of the manual
19:02:04BigBambipressure11: Section 4.2.2 - the title is even "Initialising the database"
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19:02:13BigBambiHow can we make that clearer?
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19:02:34pressure11point 4.2.2?
19:02:43thgzyep
19:02:43BigBambipressure11: Which player?
19:03:00BigBambipressure11: Seriosuly, did you even look?
19:03:08pressure11ipod nano 1st gen
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19:03:46BigBambipressure11: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-450004.2.2
19:04:47thgzBrb, I'm gonna get some sauna...
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19:06:10pressure11what after initialising?
19:06:19BigBambiwhat?
19:06:23BigBambiJust initialise it
19:06:29Tuplanollathe reboot and voila
19:06:30pressure11ok and than?
19:06:37BigBambiuse it?
19:07:15pressure11i'm sorry for my english i'm from germany :)
19:08:09BigBambithere is no issue with your english
19:08:25pressure11do the database get the music from "files"?
19:08:31pressure11ty :)
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19:08:47BigBambiyes
19:08:58BigBambiFiles just links to the directory tree on you ipod
19:09:09BigBambiIt shows you what files are on there like windows explorer
19:09:21BigBambiThe database is a database of tags
19:10:28pressure11if i put the music with itunes on my ipod would it initialise it or not?
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19:10:38BigBambiIf you tuen auto update on
19:10:46BigBambiand load to ram, it should auto update
19:11:05BigBambiwhen you select initialise it just rebuilds the database from the beginning
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19:11:26pressure11ok i'll try it
19:14:22pressure11thanks
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20:04:29Hans-Martinhi folks.
20:05:43Hans-MartinI solved my SDL rockboxui problem: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14557.msg111124#msg111124
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20:06:43Hans-MartinSo it was an ALSA configuration thing, but somewhat more robust SDL-Audio code would have helped. I see whether I can rig it so that misconfigured ALSA does not cause rockboxui crashes but really verbose output...
20:07:01Nico_PHans-Martin: congrats :)
20:07:30Hans-Martinnow when I'm playing with the SDL audio code, I might as well implement the recording interface :-)
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20:22:17riclihello
20:22:38ricliis there any way to change the path for the playlist catalog?
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20:25:49BigBambiricli: I believe you will have to get into the code
20:26:01Hans-Martinok, no recording interface for me as SDL does not have any recording functions :-(
20:26:23Hans-Martinricli: use the source luke!
20:26:57riclihehe, ok
20:27:04ricliI must say that rockbox is really cool
20:27:13BigBambithat it is
20:27:13ricliworks great on my video ipod
20:27:27ricliI'm switching now to rockbox
20:27:42BigBambiglad to hear it
20:27:46riclieven deleted all other files that was there before :)
20:27:50BigBambi:)
20:27:57BigBambiThe OF will recreate them if you boot it
20:28:05ricliOF?
20:28:11thgzYep, SAnsa too. It's annoying
20:28:12BigBambioriginal firmware
20:28:19ricliah, ok
20:28:30ricliI wont do that anyway
20:28:42riclirockbox seems so superior
20:28:42thgzRicli: Congratulations! Glad to hear that you're switching.
20:28:58thgzIt is
20:29:22riclii find in nice to be able to just copy files from my computer onto the ipod, and then be able to play
20:29:31thgzthat's handy
20:29:36riclino need for itunes db and stuff
20:29:55thgzI had a shuffle but never be familiar with ITunes
20:30:45Hans-MartinDRM surely has it's disadvantages... ;-)
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20:31:06thgzBut it's possible to remove the drm protection
20:31:11thgzAlthough it's illegal
20:31:16riclisince I switched to db I had had some troubles getting the ipod to work (transfering files), but now with rockbox this will change
20:31:20BigBambithgz: And not to be discussed here
20:31:41ricliswitched to linux that is :)
20:31:43thgzNot going to, just said
20:32:07ricliI'm glad I found this project
20:32:25Hans-Martinyes the trouble is that for a law-abiding chap such as me a DRM-crippled player would just make enjoying music more difficult...
20:33:13thgzYep, I see
20:34:21thgzBigbambi: Sorry if I caused a heart attack, don't do that again :P
20:34:33BigBambihmmm?
20:34:55BigBambiOh, no, we just don't want people discussing that here, so I was just pointing it out
20:35:01BigBambiDon't worry :)
20:35:35GrooveStixhey people, any developers for the GigaBeat firmware here?
20:35:42BigBambisome
20:35:46thgzOh I understand
20:36:05BigBambiGrooveStix: Just ask any questions, if people are here and can help they will. If not, people read the logs
20:36:17GrooveStixoh! right, the logs...
20:36:43GrooveStixI was only wondering people are aware of the freezing that happens when I unplug my player (Gigabeat)
20:36:57BigBambiWhat freezing?
20:37:08GrooveStixwell, here's how it happens the most
20:38:28GrooveStixI plug in the gigabeat through a USB cable to my laptop. turn it on. do what I want to do on it... unmount it from windows... unplug it and when do that, the screen freezes to that grayish/blue color
20:38:47BigBambiI don't get that
20:38:53GrooveStixwhat part?
20:39:00BigBambiThe freezing
20:39:18BigBambiSorry, I mean it doesn't happen to my gigabeat, not I don't understand :)
20:39:20GrooveStixwell that's why I am here. lets see
20:39:32GrooveStixwell
20:40:00GrooveStixif my gigabeat is already on, and I plug it in, I have no problem afterwards
20:40:05thgzDo you have the latest build?
20:40:19BigBambiGrooveStix: So the problem comes using Bootloader USB mode?
20:40:28GrooveStixI have updated it few days ago, although I am skeptical...
20:40:55GrooveStixthe problem has been around for awhile... I'll update it right now again, just in case
20:40:59BigBambiGrooveStix: It may or may not be the problem here, but we ask you use an up-to-date build when reporting anything just in case
20:41:16GrooveStixokay
20:41:20BigBambiGrooveStix: So is it only in bootloader USB mode there is a problem?
20:41:38GrooveStixwell, the way I see it
20:41:45GrooveStixthere are 2 different bootloader modes
20:41:54BigBambi?
20:42:06GrooveStixone with the pretty yellow backdrop, and the other is the one with the grayish screen
20:42:24GrooveStixI have problems in the second one
20:42:27BigBambithe first is what you get when plugging in from rockbox right?
20:42:37BigBambiIn which case it is not the bootloader, you are in rockbox
20:42:41GrooveStixright
20:42:50BigBambiThe bootloader is what loads rockbox
20:42:59BigBambiWhen you are in rockbox, that is not the bootloader
20:43:11BigBambiLet me try here with bootloader USB, one moment
20:43:16GrooveStixokay that's kinda condusing
20:43:19GrooveStix*confusing
20:43:32BigBambiwhy?
20:43:39BigBambiThose are the proper terms
20:43:48GrooveStixokay but I am not a developer
20:43:58GrooveStixjust a user
20:44:07BigBambiah bootloader boots and loads the firmware
20:44:13BigBambihence bootloader
20:44:39GrooveStixright, but what's the difference between the 2 screens I mentioned
20:45:09BigBambione is the usb mode from within rockbox (the colourful one), the other is the usb mode in the bootloader
20:45:52GrooveStixI see
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20:46:05GrooveStixthat makes sense now
20:46:13BigBambi:)
20:46:24GrooveStixnow let us see
20:46:41*BigBambi is just booting windows on the other computer, then I'll test
20:47:22GrooveStixis deleting the .rockbox folder first the best way to update rockbox?
20:47:29BigBambijust overwrite
20:47:31GrooveStixor it doesn't matter
20:47:37BigBambiIf you delete it you will lose your settings
20:47:47GrooveStixI know i know
20:48:01GrooveStixbut is there difference ?
20:48:14BigBambinot if you overwrite properly
20:48:28GrooveStixok
20:49:36BigBambiwell, bootloader usb mode works fine here. I connected in it, did some stuff, safely removed, unplugged the cable, and it booted rockbox
20:49:54GrooveStixtry it few times
20:50:15BigBambiok
20:50:35GrooveStixsometimes it works nicely. but most times it freezes for me
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20:51:39BigBambihow often?
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20:52:37GrooveStixalmost every time
20:52:46BigBambihmmm, 4 times in a row fine now
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20:53:37GrooveStixI am trying it too, seems okay... maybe one of the updates got to it.. but if not, what can I do?
20:54:57BigBambiI would post to the forum (not as a bug report), but to see if anyone else suffers from it. If so, then you can post a bug report. For now, you could just start rockbox before connecting
20:55:28BigBambiwell, the bootloader is seperate to the build, so updating the build shouldn't affect it
20:56:05BigBambiYou could also check you have the most recent bootloader (although it hasn't changed in ages)
20:56:32GrooveStixI am doing some larger operations right now
20:56:57GrooveStixas in transferring big chunks of music
20:57:10GrooveStixusually that's what I do
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20:57:41BigBambimaybe that affects it, I don't know
20:58:42GrooveStixok. here is what just happened
20:58:50GrooveStixthis time it turned off completely
20:58:56GrooveStixinstead booting rockbox
20:59:17BigBambiah, now I do vaguely remember that happening
20:59:24GrooveStixafter I unplugged of course
20:59:25TWalterIs anyone online sufficiently familiar enough with the iPod hardware to determine if a patent description is, in fact, describing the BCM2722?
20:59:53BigBambiGrooveStix: Perhaps check if there is anything on the tracker
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21:00:02GrooveStixtracker?!
21:00:09GrooveStixbugspray ?
21:00:22krazykitflyspray
21:00:27GrooveStixoh yeah
21:00:32DerPapstpoor fly :-(
21:01:52J3TC-Hrmm...are of any of X5 wps configured for the new viewport? ;x
21:01:59GrooveStixpretty fly. for a white guy.
21:04:00GrooveStixBigBambi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7184
21:07:31BigBambiGrooveStix: Ah, cool. So perhaps you should comment saying you get it too with as many details as possible
21:07:52GrooveStixit's the same exact thing
21:08:45BigBambiI know, but only one person has reported it, with two others saying they don't get it
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21:08:55BigBambiSo not much impetus for anyone to look at it
21:09:20BigBambiIf you add to it saying you get it too, then it might give it more weight
21:09:40GrooveStixI presume I need an account right/
21:09:42GrooveStix?
21:09:51BigBambiyep
21:09:52GrooveStixis there a dummy one I can use?
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21:09:55BigBambinope
21:09:58GrooveStix:(
21:10:09BigBambiwe don't want it spammed
21:10:17BigBambiMaking people sign up helps a lot
21:11:11GrooveStixwell, it could be cool to cut down the steps. these guys got it right: http://divxsubtitles.net/index.php?c=login
21:11:20GrooveStixI know it's unrelated website
21:11:29BigBambiWell, that is the way it is
21:11:35GrooveStixbut
21:11:44GrooveStixIf you don't want to register, you can also login with 'demo@divxsubtitles.net' as your username and 'demo' as your password. Welcome to divxsubtitles.net!
21:12:09BigBambiGood for them
21:12:11krazykitGrooveStix, please do keep in mind this is an on-topic channel
21:12:21GrooveStixsorry for spamming but it seems like it's a good idea
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21:12:38BigBambiI disagree
21:13:45GrooveStixI just don't like registering all over the place, that's all... it saves me lots of headaches
21:14:12markunBigBambi: we had a lot of problems with SPAM in the wiki :(
21:14:24BigBambiIndeed so
21:14:35BigBambiSo lets keep it off the traker
21:14:35markunmostly hidden links to websites so they would get a better google ranking
21:14:37BigBambi:)
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21:18:43GrooveStixwhy would anyone spam such a specific website
21:18:45GrooveStix?
21:18:57GrooveStixit's not lole it has millions of users
21:19:03GrooveStix*like
21:19:13GrooveStixor am I mistaken ?
21:19:28BigBambiWhy is irrelevant
21:19:42BigBambiAnd we have a huge number of users
21:20:14GrooveStixI don't know, it still doesn't make too much sense
21:20:27GrooveStixhow many users though? i wonder...
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21:20:42BigBambiStill irrelevant given it happens
21:20:54Domonokythey spam because rockbox has a high google rank..
21:21:25Domonokyand the rockbox users are between 10.000 and millions, nobody knows for sure :-)
21:22:15GrooveStixha! i didn't think of the ranking... and whoa! I didn't know there are so many people not liking their original firmwares
21:22:19GrooveStixdamn
21:22:29BigBambiIn october 2007 we had 100,000 downloads not including one of the download servers, mirrors, or custom builds
21:23:23GrooveStixthat's a big number indeed
21:23:35scorche|wi figure we have 30,000-60,000 ish
21:23:48thgzwow, so much
21:23:48markunGrooveStix: some players have very bad original firmwares. I know, because I have a Gigabeat F40 :)
21:23:48BigBambisounds about right
21:23:55scorche|wif i were to guess, i would go with 37-40 ish
21:24:15thgzGrooveStix: I'm not say that the people are not liking their original. They like rockbox more.
21:24:28GrooveStixwell maybe that's just me
21:24:45GrooveStixsince gigabeat is a cool player, with a terrible firmware
21:25:05GrooveStixall that DRM doesn't work for me
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21:25:48GrooveStixthat's the main thing, but the music managing program also sucked too.
21:25:54BigBambiI never even booted the F40 OF
21:25:55BigBambiI only bought it after markun (+ others) did the hard work of getting rockbox on it :)
21:25:58GrooveStixthe only good thing were the EQs
21:26:09thgzYep, DRM doesn't make much sense to me also. I have stopped to buy from online music stores. IMO it's a better opinion to rip myself a cd without any protections
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21:26:44thgzaah again going ot
21:27:15thgzThat's a curse to me, be warned ;-)
21:27:40GrooveStixOhhh! Toshiba Gigabeat F!
21:27:57GrooveStixwasn't it Toshiba Gigabeat F10 in the begining ?
21:29:06GrooveStix(I meant to say, wasn't the firmware for Toshiba Gigabeat F10 in the beginning? )
21:29:47BigBambiwhat firmware?
21:29:47BigBambiROckbox was originally for the old archos players many years ago, then iriver H100, then H300, then...
21:30:07BigBambigigabeat is a relative newcomer
21:30:59GrooveStixright, I though it could be only on F10 previously
21:31:27GrooveStixor any Fs?
21:31:28krazykitno, the gigabeat F port ran on all of the F series, as the only hardware differences was the hard drive
21:31:34BigBambiF10, F20, F40, whatever use the same version of rockbox and were supported at the same time
21:31:54BigBambiand as I said, the gigabeat F port was later many others
21:32:51GrooveStixI see. I probably was drunk or something... :)
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21:33:14GrooveStixanyway, I commented on the bug, does that bump it?
21:33:24BigBambiin what way?
21:33:25GrooveStix(like a forum post)
21:33:31BigBambiIt isn't a forum
21:33:34GrooveStixright
21:33:44GrooveStixbut it's an old bug report
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21:33:53GrooveStixwill it get noticed?
21:33:54BigBambiyes, it is
21:34:03BigBambisure
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21:34:42GrooveStixokay
21:34:48BigBambiyou do know rockbox is developed by volunteers in their spare time?
21:34:59BigBambiPeople work on what they want
21:35:00GrooveStixyes, that's why I am not cursing
21:35:04GrooveStix:)
21:35:13BigBambiThis isn't a critical bug, so I doubt it is the top of anyone's list
21:35:49GrooveStixhmmm
21:36:20GrooveStixat least, does this make sense to you: "Note: This doesn't happen if I boot Rockbox first and then plug in/out." ?
21:36:27bluebrotherbtw, has there been any progress on the usb stack?
21:36:29BigBambiyep
21:36:37GrooveStix(english is not my first language, so I wanna make sure)
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21:36:43BigBambiat GrooveStix
21:36:43BigBambibluebrother: no
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21:37:15BigBambiStill without t'internet? :(
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21:38:03bluebrotheryeah, unfortunately.
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21:38:28bluebrotherthose bastards take their time in bringing up the link :(
21:38:36BigBambiany eta?
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21:39:41bluebrothermaybe end of month. But that's awful long until
21:39:50BigBambicertainly is
21:40:24bluebrotherit's already over 2 months without net due to my move now.
21:40:32BigBambirubbish
21:40:51Domonokybluebrother: no freifunk people or open wlans near your home ?
21:41:09bluebrotherDomonoky: there are wlans but those are encrypted
21:41:44Domonokytoo bad...
21:41:44bluebrotherfunny thing is that going to an internet cafe is almost as expensive as using my mobile.
21:42:04bluebrother(so I prefer staying at home with my own machine ;-)
21:43:03GrooveStixalright, hopefully I was helpful, but it's time to swing! (jazz musician here)
21:45:03GrooveStixlater
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22:30:31BagderDomonoky: first genlang cgi version seems to be working
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22:36:14Domonokynice!! :-)
22:36:41Domonokycan you give me the url to poke on it ? :-)
22:36:46Bagderand as you may have seen, the features are now in the rockbox-info file
22:37:04Domonokyyes, i have seen it.. nice work..
22:37:22BagderURL in PM for now
22:37:38Domonokythy
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22:39:20n17ikh|Lappyis there a good reason replaygain is under general settings instead of sound settings?
22:40:02LloreanReplaygain should be under playback.
22:40:05LloreanIsn't it?
22:40:10n17ikh|Lappywell, it is
22:40:16n17ikh|Lappybut that's under general settings
22:40:18Llorean"Sound" are settings that affect all sound output.
22:40:25n17ikh|Lappymakes sense, I guess
22:40:33LloreanReplaygain only works on certain types of audio files, with certain tags, and is only relevant during music playback.
22:40:44n17ikh|LappyAh.
22:40:59BagderDomonoky: I've only tested it a bit so far so let me know if you find something that breaks it
22:41:00n17ikh|Lappywell, ah, as in sound affects all output, even that of plugins etc
22:41:05Bagderor if you want something changed
22:41:12LloreanIt's possible that "Playback" should be under "Sound", but this is a topic for discussion in terms of general menu reorganization.
22:41:22Domonoky will do, thanxs for your work..
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22:47:17thgzBtw
22:47:39thgzIs it a hardware issue that when recording, the voice is very quiet
22:47:44thgzI'm using sansa e250
22:47:59thgzHaven't found a way to set gaim higher
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22:48:40Hans-Martinthgz: uh - the recording screen should have a control for the recording gain. at least it has on my iriver...
22:49:21thgzDidn't know. I have to use voiced menus so the recording screen isn't accessible.
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22:50:57JdGordon|wNico_P: if/when your bored... can you do a quick n dirty patch to get the statusbar/fm using the wps parser please? doesnt need to be full, just as an example?
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22:51:43Hans-Martinthgz: ok, I don't know how the voiced menus work, sorry
22:51:56thgzI'll try the daily built English festival voice file (although it sucks) if the rec screen works with it
22:51:58Nico_PJdGordon|w: it needs some thought... currently the parser code is made to parse to a complete wps struct and I doubt we want many of those
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22:53:28JdGordon|warnt the values set in the tag parse funcitons?
22:55:04Nico_Pyeah they are but as #defines... we'll need vars, so we'll probably want a generic struct
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22:55:21Nico_Pshouldn't be too hard though
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22:56:14Nico_PI'll probably try to whip something up tomorrow or later this evening... the latter sounds less probable though
22:57:41thgzHmm... In the "current build" page, in the position where the revision number should be, there reads "broken? " on all targets
22:58:33roolkudoh
22:58:45Bagdera 1400 points commit
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23:00:19roolkudidn't mean to commit the autostart.c entry, but what are the warnings about...ponder...
23:00:19thgzDoes this mean that I shouldn't update or is this just a bug in the page?
23:00:55Bagderthgz: it means the latest build failed and isn't working
23:01:12thgzOk thanks for the info
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23:02:30Bagderroolku: the warnings seem to be the old annoying ones that aren't due to that commit
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23:02:40disorganizerguten abend kugel :-)
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23:04:01kugeldisorganizer: hallo
23:04:05kugelare you from germany?
23:04:16disorganizer@kugel: yes :-)
23:04:29kugelme too
23:04:34roolkuBagder: yes, looks like it
23:05:40disorganizer@kugel: already noticed ;-) did you find out why the antialias patch disturbs the vp-wps's?
23:06:40JdGordon|wNico_P: ok, cool
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23:07:52kugeldisorganizer: no
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23:11:42disorganizer@kugel: could you reproduce the error?
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23:13:03kugeldisorganizer: no, but I believe you. I can't do much about this anti-aliased fonts. the patch wasn't created by me or something
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23:14:02Hans-Martinwhere do I need to put a voice file on the player's file system? I tried putting english.voice into .rockbox, but I don't hear anything
23:14:02kugelthough, I do not really understand that problem, since the patch uses quite the same mechanics as the normal font rendering
23:15:15Hans-Martinoops, sorry, did not find the appropriate wiki page at first...
23:15:50disorganizerkugel: ah. i thought you made it cause there was no patch# in the list. too bad, the fonts look awful nice anti-aliased
23:16:02kugelyea
23:16:46kugeldid you try editting your wps and <theme>.cfg to use the font as a user font?
23:17:47kugellike: userfont1: FreeSans.fnt and in the wps %V|x|y|width|height|2|color1|color2| ?
23:18:05Hans-Martinthgz: I now see what you mean. The recording screen is obviously not voice-enabled.
23:18:12disorganizernot yet. but i will. just have to migrate von cj back to your build to do it *g*
23:19:01kugelsure
23:19:08kugelbut, I recommend a fresh install
23:19:17kugelthis makes things much easier
23:19:18Hans-Martinthgz: if you enter the recording screen, you should press <down> once to go to the input gain control. Then click <right> a number of times to increase gain
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23:22:31disorganizer@kugel: tried it in the sim, but it seems that multifont doesnt work... code examples follow
23:22:43disorganizerconfig: userfont1: /.rockbox/fonts/FreeSans.fnt
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23:22:55disorganizerwps:
23:22:58disorganizer%V|38|0|100|12|2|FFFFFF|000080|
23:23:18disorganizerbut the wps only shows the system font
23:23:40disorganizertrying non-antialiased font now...
23:24:11kugeldisorganizer: don't forget, userfont1 is 2 in wps, userfont2 is 3 in wps and so on
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23:25:27disorganizeryes, i used 2 for userfont1: (and of course it said FreeSans_15.fnt)
23:26:19LloreanAs this is a channel for official development, unsupported builds, and patches not intended for inclusion really shouldn't be under discussion here.
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23:47:28Bagdercommitter #58 is now official
23:47:44BagderRob "shotofadds"
23:47:51Domonoky_jay i just generated a working deutsch.voice with rbutil, and with the new genlang.cgi !! :-)
23:48:00Bagderc00l!
23:48:33Domonoky_now i only have to solve a small problem with non-latin chars, and bit cleaning and it can go into svn .. :-)
23:49:00wallaas for ipod nano 3g there's no rockbox at the moment, i'm just wondering if someone tries to port it right now; does somebody know?
23:49:22kugeljott: ping
23:49:33jottkugel: pong
23:50:03scorche|wwalla: i do not know of anyone actively working on it
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23:50:19wallak, thanks
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23:51:42wallawhat do you think would be the best player to use rockbox?
23:52:27scorche|wthere is no "best"...it depends on hat you are looking for
23:52:34scorche|ws/hat.what
23:52:49scorche|ws/s/hat.what/s/hat/what
23:52:52scorche|w:)
23:53:07wallawell, i think about stability and most working features
23:53:28scorche|wmore specific?
23:53:58wallai read that older ipod-models can freeze after a time; thats not really stable in my eyes
23:55:15wallaadditionally i think that not all features rockbox offers is available with every player
23:55:40scorche|wwell, you still havent said specifically what you are looking for in terms of features..
23:55:41Bagderwalla: there are just too many factors to consider, there is no clear "winner"
23:56:22wallaok, then i will put my nose in the wiki again ^^
23:56:43scorche|wBagder: hrm...there was something i needed to speak with you about...happen to know what that was? ;)
23:57:04Bagderscorche|w: you wanting to send me a cold beer a friday night? ;-P
23:57:16scorche|wnaw...that couldnt have been it ;)

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