| 00:00:18 | scorche|w | oh!...also, could you add "talk to scorche in IRC for a shiny developer cloak" on your new developer template mail next to the note to talk to Llorean about forum badge? |
| 00:00:28 | scorche|w | Bagder: ^^ |
| 00:00:36 | * | amiconn increased lcd update speed on 1st..3rd Gen ipod by ~50% :) |
| 00:00:43 | Bagder | scorche|w: will do sir! |
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| 00:02:32 | Domonoky_ | scorche|w: can i have such a cloak ? :-) |
| 00:03:11 | BigBambi | forum search has gone titsup again for those with the power (LinusN I think) |
| 00:03:12 | scorche|w | Domonoky_: leave a message with scorche, if you could...a bit busy for a while more at work :) |
| 00:03:35 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
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| 00:06:44 | BillWenrich|flx | I mentioned this last night, but the channel was pretty dead |
| 00:06:45 | BillWenrich|flx | - |
| 00:07:17 | BillWenrich|flx | I am requesting Wiki Write Permissions so that I may document the plugin controls on the iPod |
| 00:07:34 | BillWenrich|flx | (username BillWenrich ) |
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| 00:10:06 | Bagder | hang on |
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| 00:10:43 | saratoga | someone on ABI batterybenched a sansa using Buschel's patch at 21 hours, 30 minutes playing FLAC |
| 00:10:57 | Bagder | ! |
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| 00:11:06 | Bagder | BillWenrich|flx: fixed! |
| 00:11:16 | BillWenrich|flx | thank you! |
| 00:11:30 | BillWenrich|flx | I will be glad to confirm and add the proper iPod documentation |
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| 00:12:25 | Buschel | saratoga: is this a significant increase? i don't know the sansa runtimes... |
| 00:13:50 | JdGordon | Buschel: I got 15h last time i benched with svn (2 months ago or more though) |
| 00:14:02 | Buschel | ooops. cool :) |
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| 00:22:45 | Buschel | saratoga: flac is the most efficient codec when looking at the codec comparison. there might some more runtime possible when lowering the "normal" clock to 16MHz or 12MHz. |
| 00:23:08 | Buschel | saratoga: but then gui responsiveness will suffer too much |
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| 00:48:41 | Bagder | Buschel: yeah, then it makes sense to boost when the user is active |
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| 00:53:48 | saratoga | boosting when the user is active would be pretty nice |
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| 00:54:09 | saratoga | what would be the best way to handle that? just tie it to the backlight settings, or something more complicated? |
| 00:55:36 | gevaerts | If I boot my sansa c250 with the USB cable plugged in, it goes into the OF, but the OF doesn't recognize the USB connection. To be able to actually copy files, I need to boot into the OF with USB unplugged, and plug it in afterwards. Is that a known problem ? |
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| 00:58:16 | Bagder | saratoga: to me it seems like it could be tied to the backlight |
| 00:59:44 | saratoga | Bagder: yes that seems sensible, but I remember Llorean (?) having some other idea the last time it was discussed |
| 00:59:51 | * | Domonoky_ just commited the first version of voice file creation in rbutil ! :-) |
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| 01:00:35 | Bagder | that certainly is becoming _the_ rockbox utility |
| 01:01:20 | * | Bagder gives in for tonight |
| 01:01:44 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
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| 01:09:15 | pixelma | gevaerts: I also have that often on a laptop USB port (USB 1.1) |
| 01:09:21 | pixelma | c250 too |
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| 01:11:48 | ChristineTham | Hello |
| 01:11:58 | gevaerts | pixelma: I tried on laptop running linux, connected both directly and behind a hub, and on a desktop running windows. |
| 01:12:14 | ChristineTham | I have a question about high capacity 1.8" hard disks |
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| 01:14:18 | saratoga | ChristineTham: theres hardly anyone around at this hour, but you're welcome to ask in case someone is awake |
| 01:14:41 | crzyboyster | I just uploaded the Hindi translation (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8446) |
| 01:15:11 | ChristineTham | saratoga: ok. i was wondering if the toshiba mk1011gah has the same 1024 read issue as the mk8009gah (used in the apple ipod 80gb) |
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| 01:15:38 | ChristineTham | because i am thinking of upgrading my gigabeat x60 to use the 100gb hard drive |
| 01:15:39 | crzyboyster | Can someone check it out and see if it's okay? |
| 01:16:17 | ChristineTham | i have downloaded the spec for the mk1011gah, but i don't see any limitations in being able to read 512kb sector |
| 01:17:08 | ChristineTham | but then i don't see that limitation in the mk8009gah spec either ??? |
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| 01:18:19 | pixelma | gevaerts: well I don't have any problems with it at all here at home - so I would think it's a problem with certain USB ports |
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| 01:19:08 | Llorean-Phone | saratoga: backlight boosting without a minimum might negatively affect blind users |
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| 01:20:26 | gevaerts | pixelma: could be. I'll experiment a bit more tomorrow. Right now I'm testing how long the battery lasts. |
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| 01:23:32 | DerPapst | JdGordon: thanks for noticing. fixed it :-) |
| 01:24:51 | ChristineTham | don't worry i think i found the answer |
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| 01:49:21 | csc` | kugel: whats that, lol? |
| 01:49:48 | kugel | m:robe is a media player |
| 01:50:03 | kugel | DAP specifically |
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| 01:55:06 | Izzeh | Anyone around can answer a question for me? |
| 01:55:25 | * | DerPapst looks into crytalball |
| 01:55:47 | DerPapst | the answer to your question will be: "No. It doesn't work yet." |
| 01:56:42 | Izzeh | Hah -Reads guildline 9 just after posting- |
| 01:56:57 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 01:57:37 | Izzeh | I'm just trying to work the wiki plugin and the converter is giving me a single error |
| 01:57:56 | Izzeh | and I'm on like step 39/40 so I didnt want to just give up... |
| 01:58:29 | linuxstb | That's not an official Rockbox tool (or plugin), so you probably won't find anyone who can help here. |
| 01:59:02 | Izzeh | Yeah I figured as much... |
| 01:59:23 | Izzeh | what about if the question were directed more to a technical cygwin on XP issue? |
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| 01:59:51 | linuxstb | Then that would be off-topic for #rockbox as well... |
| 01:59:51 | DerPapst | aren't there any prebuilt ones? and what is the file at the end? this homebrew .epodia file? |
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| 02:01:05 | Izzeh | Lol I've patched it in fine that isn't the issue.. It's the fact that with cygwin running in a host environment on XP it doesn't allow the conversion of large files and was hoping you guys would know a work around for this short of installing linux |
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| 02:09:27 | Ebert | offtopicness is too harsh here in my opinion, he's trying to contribute to the rockbox community |
| 02:09:43 | DerPapst | ^ hehe (Xavier's quit message) |
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| 02:11:50 | soap | Ebert, the issue is that there are channel on this very IRC network much better equipped to troubleshoot Cgywin/Linux/VMWare issues. |
| 02:12:04 | soap | *channels |
| 02:12:55 | Ebert | but should one shut his mouth if he knows the answer easily? or maybe pming would cancel out the offtopic dogs |
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| 02:14:14 | Izzeh | Surely the discussion of it being off-topic is JUST as off-topic as answering, or even asking my question... But never mind I guess it's all just too hard so I'll go... |
| 02:15:11 | scorche | Izzeh: it doesnt apply.. |
| 02:15:31 | Ebert | haha yes, too hard to stick to the rules.. |
| 02:15:42 | * | Ebert shuts up |
| 02:15:45 | soap | Ebert, I think history has shown people who do know the quick and easy solution do shout it out - but it is a fine line between helping people and encouraging disruptive behavior. |
| 02:16:15 | soap | Izzeh, I PM'd you 13 minutes ago |
| 02:17:18 | Izzeh | Yeah I answered... or atleast I think I did, I truly hate IRC |
| 02:22:19 | DerPapst | Izzeh: if you aren't registered to freenode.net soap might not have recived your message |
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| 02:29:07 | Hilikus_ | hey guys |
| 02:29:28 | Hilikus_ | is there a new default theme already in the main branch or its still in talks? |
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| 03:00:42 | HP_Administrator | hello wat is rockbox |
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| 03:01:05 | scorche | www.rockbox.org |
| 03:01:18 | lg | how do you install rockbox and wat emulators doe sit have |
| 03:02:21 | scorche | you could look at the wikipedia entry, read the manual, or search... |
| 03:02:41 | lg | um plz tell me |
| 03:04:09 | lg | hello? |
| 03:04:47 | scorche | lg: please read the guidelines linked in the topic... |
| 03:05:00 | lg | k |
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| 03:42:21 | bwananna | say, i have a iPod mini 2g that i upgraded with a 16 g cf card, i reinstalled the apple software, that works fine, but after installing rockbox it comes up "Rockbox boot loader v2.0, no partion found ..." |
| 03:42:26 | bwananna | any ideas people |
| 03:47:53 | bwananna | anyone home |
| 03:47:53 | soap | Did you reinstall the Apple firmware via a Mac? |
| 03:47:58 | bwananna | via a pc |
| 03:48:23 | bwananna | also gives the error ATA: -80 |
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| 03:54:53 | soap | `did you search the forums for that ATA error? |
| 03:58:06 | bwananna | i just found something |
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| 04:00:00 | bwananna | bitch |
| 04:01:05 | scorche | bwananna: that is a bit...unneccessary...please read the guidelines linked in the topic |
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| 04:10:16 | bwananna | can i only get source by svn checkout or is there a nice tar file somewhere too |
| 04:11:02 | scorche | there is both, but if you are doing development, using svn makes things MUCH easier |
| 04:11:41 | bwananna | i just need to test a diff and see if it fixes the problem |
| 04:12:02 | bwananna | where can i find a tar, i can't locate it on the site |
| 04:12:27 | bwananna | hmm myabe extras |
| 04:12:36 | Llorean | No, it's on the same page as you download the binaries |
| 04:12:53 | scorche | "current build"...in both binary and source |
| 04:13:39 | bwananna | duh, thanks |
| 04:14:25 | Alonea | hey, what should I do if my gigabeat starts to get that system error 0000003 thing every now and then? does the HDD need to be reformatted or something? |
| 04:15:30 | Alonea | also the text viewer goes kinda crazy sometimes. |
| 04:15:46 | Alonea | but I have not updated it in a while, so lemme do that first |
| 04:16:24 | Llorean | Alonea: the system error message is from the original gigabeat firmware. Unfortunately, it's most likely an indication of impending hardware failure, though first you could try reseating the disk, and then scanning it for errors with your PC |
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| 04:17:00 | Alonea | Llorean: ah ok. |
| 04:18:52 | Alonea | well, if its just corrupted files in the system volume folder, then its fixable. *hopes and prays* |
| 04:18:54 | Llorean | Alonea: I don't believe we have a knowledge of what, specifically, those error codes mean, but they tend to mean an error while trying to access the disk, I think. |
| 04:19:11 | Llorean | Which could mean corrupted files, or actual hardware problems, or anywhere between |
| 04:19:37 | Alonea | indeed. its hard to tell. though if its busted, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one. |
| 04:19:53 | Llorean | Very possibly. |
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| 04:22:37 | bwananna | what a pain |
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| 05:22:49 | countrymonkeyweb | How do I extrapolate all the dest strings out of the english.lang file? My good friend wants to rework a translation but doesn't want to deal with lang files. |
| 05:23:57 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Do you mean "extract"? And if so, you'll just have to write a tool to do it. |
| 05:24:08 | Llorean | They're just text files, it's not like it's complicated to work with them. |
| 05:24:17 | Llorean | Why won't he just edit a file directly? |
| 05:24:25 | countrymonkeyweb | I mean extract. I am a little tired |
| 05:26:20 | countrymonkeyweb | Why, he has never worked with xml or programming, ever. The only reason I remotely understand them is I have programmed before. I showed him and he wants me to just get the strings. |
| 05:28:03 | countrymonkeyweb | And is there some weird reason the japanese translation's missing string value is about 30 or 40 when it should be about 150? |
| 05:30:30 | Llorean | It's just a text file. |
| 05:30:41 | Llorean | How hard, seriously, is it to look for the word "Dest:" and write your string after it? |
| 05:31:01 | Llorean | I mean honestly, anyone who speaks English and can read can manage that. I wouldn't say any XML knowledge, at all, is needed. |
| 05:31:54 | Llorean | If you want to write a program to extract the strings, and then reinsert them later, feel free, but it's going to save you both a lot of trouble if he just spends a few seconds actually thinking about what's on the screen in front of him, and realizing how easy it really is. |
| 05:32:28 | countrymonkeyweb | It is the different targets that are confusing. |
| 05:33:13 | countrymonkeyweb | Looks like I will direct him to the LangFiles wikipage then. |
| 05:38:24 | countrymonkeyweb | And while I am here, I should mention I am getting disk activity at the weirdest moments. Like, say, when I enter menus. I use a voice file, but that is it. |
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| 05:40:36 | Llorean | And a completely unmodified build? |
| 05:41:12 | countrymonkeyweb | unmodifyed unless for 8395 which I applied for some wierd reason. |
| 05:41:27 | Alonea | Llorean: you wouldn't happen to know if LBA is supported? not sure whether to do with or without. |
| 05:41:43 | countrymonkeyweb | Lba48 is supported in custom builds. |
| 05:42:11 | countrymonkeyweb | not native unmodifyed rockbox. |
| 05:42:18 | Alonea | Llorean: at least it said my hdd is good and not broken. but then something else could be wrong. |
| 05:42:24 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: talking to me? |
| 05:42:31 | MarcGuay | Dear administrator, the forum search function is throwing a database error, just so's you knows. |
| 05:42:58 | countrymonkeyweb | Do you mean lba or lba48? |
| 05:43:02 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: if so, I will just do non lba fat32. |
| 05:43:05 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Unfortunately, while I'm *forum* administrator, I don't have shell access to the server, which is necessary to repair the table |
| 05:43:18 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: I am reformatting my gigabeat f40 |
| 05:43:18 | countrymonkeyweb | That is supported. |
| 05:43:29 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: ok, then I will do lba then. ^__^ |
| 05:43:34 | Llorean | Alonea: Unfortunately, it could mean more serious problems them. The most likely being the connector itself, but it's hard to say. =/ |
| 05:44:10 | Alonea | Llorean: it wasn't really a constant thing, kinda random. I will just hope this fixed it. |
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| 05:44:38 | scorche | Alonea: to be more specific, there is an ifdef in the code that, should you add a line in the config file for your device and build, you will get LBA48 support...it isnt necessarily a patch as "in the custom builds" would suggest |
| 05:45:09 | countrymonkeyweb | He doesn't mean lba48. He means lba. |
| 05:45:24 | scorche | i mean lba48 |
| 05:45:34 | Alonea | scorche: I don't even know what lba48 is. I am formatting the drive. I have W95 Fat32 or W95 Fat32 LBA |
| 05:45:45 | Llorean | lba48 is necessary for >128GB disks |
| 05:45:47 | MarcGuay | Llorean: No doubt. Just throwing it out there. |
| 05:45:55 | countrymonkeyweb | lba48 is a system that lets you go beyond 128 gb of hd space. |
| 05:46:07 | scorche | countrymonkeyweb: i am well aware what lba48 is... |
| 05:46:10 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: ah, ok. so just to check, lba is good to use? |
| 05:46:14 | Llorean | MarcGuay: I *think* LinusN is likely to be aware of it. If I see him I'll mention it though |
| 05:46:32 | countrymonkeyweb | I was telling alonea. |
| 05:46:52 | countrymonkeyweb | Yes, it is good to use. |
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| 05:49:18 | mikey | ROCK BOX! |
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| 05:49:54 | hcs | he likes it! |
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| 05:52:35 | countrymonkeyweb | rockbox rules! |
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| 06:09:48 | Alonea | Llorean: ok, so far, so good. player is still kicking |
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| 06:10:50 | Alonea | Llorean: will play with it for a few hours and if it doesn't give me trouble then this was all just a bad dream |
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| 06:13:18 | countrymonkeyweb | You're not dreaming. |
| 06:15:35 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: *pouts* hey, I want my player to not die on me. if i get no more system errors, then I will pretend it wasn't acting like a 5 year old in a desperate need of a spanking. |
| 06:17:45 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: In regards to your disk spinup thing: 1) Are you using a large font, 2) Are you using a language or WPS that requires unicode characters, 3) is music playing while you're in the menus, 4) What screens, specifically and exactly, do you see these spinups on, and can you reproduce them on any specific screen? |
| 06:19:26 | countrymonkeyweb | 1) I use chinese 2) I am blind and use unifont 3) no 4) browse around the menus a bit, no reproducable screens, random. |
| 06:20:27 | Llorean | Are you 100% sure it's random? |
| 06:20:32 | Llorean | If you're blind, why do you use unifont? |
| 06:20:50 | Llorean | It's very possible that what you're experiencing is simply the adding and changing of characters in the glyphcache. |
| 06:21:10 | Llorean | Unifont is a very large font, and will not be loaded entirely into memory |
| 06:21:20 | countrymonkeyweb | chinese. |
| 06:21:31 | Llorean | That doesn't answer my question. |
| 06:21:43 | Llorean | If you can't see the screen, why does it need to display chinese characters? |
| 06:22:22 | countrymonkeyweb | Unless you can name another font that supports chinese, I am kind of stuck. I need something where a sighted person could help me just in case something stopped speaking. |
| 06:22:24 | Alonea | Llorean: maybe he meant blind as in bad eyesight and thus needs large font. not actually blind |
| 06:22:36 | Alonea | Llorean: then again, maybe no |
| 06:22:50 | countrymonkeyweb | I mean totally blind. |
| 06:22:58 | Llorean | Alonea: Then, honestly, he should say that. I *have* to assume people mean what the words mean. Which is why I was asking him to clarify, in case he meant something else. |
| 06:22:59 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: ah ok. |
| 06:23:33 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: I tend to say I am blind sometimes. astigmatism. |
| 06:23:33 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: Try using a smaller font. Check to see if another supports chinese. Or perhaps just give it a while to finish populating the cache and see if the spinups stop. |
| 06:23:50 | Llorean | By "a while", I mean "days of use" |
| 06:24:43 | countrymonkeyweb | what cash? |
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| 06:25:18 | Llorean | cache spelled C A C H E. |
| 06:25:52 | countrymonkeyweb | I wasn't paying attention. What cache are you talking about? |
| 06:25:59 | Llorean | The glyph cache |
| 06:26:41 | countrymonkeyweb | Why doesn't it fill itself in one use and be through? |
| 06:26:58 | Llorean | Because, as I said, Unifont is larger than can be stored in memory. |
| 06:27:24 | countrymonkeyweb | How big is the font buffir? |
| 06:27:40 | Llorean | I don't know the exact number. |
| 06:27:52 | Llorean | But seriously, just give the cache time to populate |
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| 06:28:12 | Llorean | It will populate based on use, so it'll store the portions of the font you're most likely to need. |
| 06:28:18 | Llorean | At least, if I understand correctly |
| 06:31:00 | countrymonkeyweb | cool. And speaking of languages, the japanese translation is missing a lot more translations than rasher's page suggests. Why? (I am trilingual) |
| 06:31:08 | Llorean | Ask Rasher, it's his page. |
| 06:31:28 | countrymonkeyweb | The same holds true with the LangFiles wikipage. |
| 06:31:50 | countrymonkeyweb | And I thought rasher was here. |
| 06:31:51 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: yay, more japanese. |
| 06:31:56 | countrymonkeyweb | And I thought rasher was here. |
| 06:32:14 | countrymonkeyweb | What about more japanese? |
| 06:32:32 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: I know some japanese. Used to know more, but I forgot quite a bit. I took the class as my language for highschool. |
| 06:33:04 | countrymonkeyweb | The translation is missing about 150 strings but the pages only say about 40. |
| 06:33:17 | countrymonkeyweb | And I know you know japanese. |
| 06:33:36 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: oh yeah. forgot. I am waaaay half asleep at the moment. |
| 06:33:53 | countrymonkeyweb | wa ka ri masu. |
| 06:34:06 | Llorean | countrymonkeyweb: It's entirely possible whoever updated the LangFiles wikipage did it based on Rasher's script. Or it's possible that there's something in the Japanese file that makes it seem to have more than it does. Feel free to investigate the file itself to see if there's anything unique about it. |
| 06:34:53 | countrymonkeyweb | I will. It's bugging me. I have a feeling it has something to do with markan's commit about 3 months ago. I want to try to update it. |
| 06:35:24 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: indeed. I should get some sleep actually. waiting for files to copy back over. |
| 06:36:13 | countrymonkeyweb | I have let things copy and tested in the morning before but if that's not how you want to work it... |
| 06:37:33 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: only has about 20 minutes more |
| 06:37:39 | countrymonkeyweb | I think I got it. I need a native japanese speaker to help clear this up. I found out what is wrong. |
| 06:38:00 | countrymonkeyweb | and the grammar is 20 more minutes. |
| 06:38:37 | countrymonkeyweb | I mean, correct sentence structure. I am about 1/4 asleep. |
| 06:39:12 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: I might be able to help somewhat, have a friend that would be able to help a whole lot more, and am pretty much falling asleep in my chair. |
| 06:39:38 | countrymonkeyweb | alonea: anatawa ni hon gin desuka? |
| 06:40:09 | countrymonkeyweb | That should wake you up. :) |
| 06:40:28 | Alonea | I am not japanese...I read better than speak. |
| 06:40:45 | Alonea | and it says "Are you japanese?" |
| 06:42:01 | countrymonkeyweb | I know. |
| 06:42:07 | Alonea | I do have a friend that is very good at japanese and pretty much can speak it fluently and read it very well. have no idea where he is though |
| 06:42:32 | countrymonkeyweb | Does he have any rockbox experience? |
| 06:43:00 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: don't think so. he is a graphic artist. |
| 06:44:17 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: I might get him to look at the translations one of these days when he is online. |
| 06:44:31 | countrymonkeyweb | See, what I suspect is that markan's commit was treated as an update. This means that english strings were added into the file, but not translated. I would need a native to figure out which strings were just untranslatible into japanese and which ones were added in by mistake. |
| 06:45:39 | Alonea | countrymonkeyweb: if I have time tomorrow, I will take a look at it and get Jake when I see him to check it. |
| 06:45:58 | countrymonkeyweb | The only 2 translations that are suffering are japanese and spanish. |
| 06:46:57 | Alonea | hmm, my friend gabi would be good for that. she is native of a spanish speaking country. |
| 06:47:09 | Alonea | well, its done and I need to sleep. night everyone. |
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| 06:47:41 | countrymonkeyweb | If she wants to fix that one too that would be great. I am kinda more concerned with the japanese one because that one has been present for a while if my theory is correct. |
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| 08:11:56 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
| 08:19:26 | Tuplanolla | hi! |
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| 09:21:23 | Tuplanolla | where are the button layout files located? i'm trying to get the old layout back :> |
| 09:28:33 | pixelma | apps/keymaps... ;) |
| 09:30:10 | Tuplanolla | thanks. i think it doesn't work if i just overwrite the keymap file with an older one? :P |
| 09:31:30 | Llorean | It should unless something fundamental has changed. |
| 09:32:15 | Tuplanolla | Awesome, I'm trying it then. First backups, don't wanna checkout from svn again. |
| 09:32:46 | Llorean | But most keymap changes are made for good reason. You might want to try it for a month and get used to it. |
| 09:39:16 | hcs | Why wait a month when I can bitch now? |
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| 09:47:52 | Tuplanolla | Uhm, do you remember what was the last rev with the old layout? |
| 09:48:33 | Llorean | You haven't yet mentioned which player you have |
| 09:48:51 | Tuplanolla | Oh, sorry, I'm using e280. |
| 09:49:54 | pixelma | why not check the "since..." links below the svn table on the frontpage? I would try and search for the specifc keymap file name which will show you when there were changes to it. |
| 09:53:44 | pixelma | or search the web interface (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/) for the file and it'll show you its history |
| 09:54:18 | Tuplanolla | Ah, that's a cool feature. |
| 09:56:42 | Tuplanolla | Ok, it seems to be FS #7232. |
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| 09:59:31 | Tuplanolla | Perhaps I should just use the cpchan build, it uses the old layout. This seems to be too hard for me :< |
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| 10:00:13 | Llorean | Well, your only three choice are use his, compile your own, or learn to like it. |
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| 10:02:06 | Tuplanolla | Yeah, true. |
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| 10:06:51 | mrkiko | I tried to do something tomorrow. |
| 10:06:59 | mrkiko | I setted Repeat to off and autochange to on. |
| 10:07:07 | mrkiko | They work fine, but something strange is happening. |
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| 10:07:47 | mrkiko | Is it normal that if I reach a track pressing the "next" button, then listen to the track for some time (1 min) and the npress "back", the player doesn't restart from the start of the file but goes directly to the previous one? |
| 10:08:03 | mrkiko | Instead, if I reach a track with the back button, the behaviour is normal. |
| 10:08:12 | Kyin01 | If I get an ipod with rockbox installed do I still have to use the pos program that is itunes? |
| 10:08:25 | Kyin01 | to transfer mp3s |
| 10:09:04 | pixelma | no |
| 10:09:34 | pixelma | you can use whatever file browser there is on your computer :) |
| 10:09:44 | Kyin01 | thanks god |
| 10:10:31 | mrkiko | Is clear what I said at least? Is the english correct? |
| 10:10:31 | mrkiko | :) |
| 10:10:47 | Kyin01 | the new rockbox firmware wont give my ipod an fm tuner right? cause ipod doesnt have any transmitter like other mp3 players? |
| 10:11:46 | Bagder | they have receivers, but no ipod has one |
| 10:13:11 | mrkiko | Bagder: ... my brother has an iPod video... |
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| 10:13:20 | mrkiko | the fm tuner is usable only with a connected accessory... |
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| 10:13:33 | Bagder | yes, that's because the ipod video has no tuner |
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| 10:13:48 | mrkiko | Bagder: but the accessory is only a pair of headphones... |
| 10:14:15 | Bagder | then congratulations, you're the first one to find an fm tuner in an ipod video! |
| 10:14:16 | Llorean | mrkiko: Isn't there also a plastic lump? |
| 10:14:19 | mrkiko | with rockbox, may be the iPod able to receive fm connecting these headphones? Is this mode of using FM supported by rockbox= |
| 10:14:23 | mrkiko | ? |
| 10:14:55 | mrkiko | Llorean: lump.... |
| 10:14:58 | Bagder | mrkiko: there's a tuner in that accessory |
| 10:15:04 | mrkiko | Llorean: what's a lump.... |
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| 10:15:27 | Llorean | Is there *anything* other than cable, and earphones? |
| 10:15:35 | Llorean | I thought that with the FM accessory you could plug in your own earphones |
| 10:15:57 | mrkiko | No.. .In my case only cable + headphones... |
| 10:16:14 | mrkiko | Llorean: and infact it seems so strange to me... |
| 10:16:22 | mrkiko | I'll re-look but I'm convinced... |
| 10:16:46 | stripwax | how big are the actual headphones? |
| 10:17:03 | Bagder | an fm tuner chip is very very small |
| 10:17:53 | stripwax | right |
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| 10:22:09 | stripwax | Buschel - I may be on crack, but I'm convinced I have the v7 patch in my build and I'm seeing 30MHz ... |
| 10:23:18 | stripwax | Ok: weird rockbox EQ problem. Settings say EQ is "No" and yet loading an eq profile applies it (and I can hear that it takes effect) even though EQ is still "No". Set EQ to "Yes" and eq turns off ... is that Enabled setting just reversed or are two or more flags out of sync here? |
| 10:29:23 | stripwax | I never use EQ (except for this random experiment). I'll reset my settings and see if it is definitely reproducible from scratch |
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| 10:54:21 | stripwax | brb |
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| 11:21:48 | Buschel | stripwax: you're not on drugs. I forgot to add a .h-file to v7-patch −− but this only leads to false display of "normal" clock rate. |
| 11:23:15 | * | pixelma wonders why roolku's m:robe commit touched the c200 keymap file... whitespace changes? |
| 11:23:37 | pixelma | the "diff" shows nothing |
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| 11:27:46 | hohum | hi there, so when are you going to reease a stable version of Rockbox for the Hxxx series ? |
| 11:28:09 | n1s | pixelma: svn diff shows a keywords change only |
| 11:28:53 | n1s | hohum: we haven't decided anything but are discussing a release |
| 11:29:07 | n1s | (not that I have been active in said discussion) |
| 11:29:31 | amiconn | pixelma: Just metadata changes (missing svn:keywords was added) |
| 11:30:27 | pixelma | ah, missed the last line in his commit message... |
| 11:30:27 | amiconn | svn diff -r<oldrev>:<newref> <path> told me, i.e. svn diff -r16055:16056 apps/keymaps/keymap-c200.c |
| 11:30:54 | BigBambi | hohum: Either tomorrow, the day after, the day after that, in a month, 6 months, a year, or never |
| 11:31:39 | Bagder | hohum: here's some light reading on the topic: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/08/the-agony-of-release/ |
| 11:32:05 | BigBambi | Very good post that, Bagder |
| 11:32:11 | Bagder | thanks |
| 11:33:23 | hohum | I see, so its still, introduce new features and bugs, I'll hang onto my old build then, thanks |
| 11:33:55 | Bagder | well, we did that for the build you have as well ;-) |
| 11:34:03 | * | BigBambi shouts hallelujah for jhMikeS's latest commit! No more menu of any kind on startup of mpegplayer :) |
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| 11:34:14 | BigBambi | hohum: Wen is your build from? |
| 11:34:20 | BigBambi | *When |
| 11:34:53 | hohum | r15216 |
| 11:35:13 | BigBambi | I would seriously update |
| 11:35:24 | BigBambi | There have been many bug fixes and new features sine then |
| 11:35:33 | BigBambi | You can always keep that as a back up just in case |
| 11:36:35 | hohum | sometime someone surely needs to say, fix bugs for stable release |
| 11:37:02 | BigBambi | Bagder's blog post goes over the pros and cons of that |
| 11:37:32 | BigBambi | Last time we tried it didn't really work, as most devs find that quite boring, and people are in rockbox for fun in their spare time |
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| 11:41:35 | hohum | I gues that software is all a case of, if it appears to work well enogh for joe soap, print it, fix only what joe complains about, so all software is in fact beta at all times. |
| 11:42:15 | BigBambi | well, it is impossible to guess every combination of cirumstances, yeah |
| 11:42:54 | Buschel | stripwax: still there? |
| 11:43:25 | hohum | like airports, they are built on construction sites.. |
| 11:44:05 | BigBambi | Isn't everywhere by definition built on a construction site? |
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| 11:47:45 | hohum | do you guys at least ensure that the daylies are funtional ? |
| 11:47:55 | Bagder | no |
| 11:48:03 | Bagder | how could we? |
| 11:48:32 | Bagder | well, we could of course add automatic testing etc |
| 11:48:40 | BigBambi | they are just a current build built at a specific time each day and archived for a month |
| 11:48:41 | Bagder | at least unit testing of functions etc |
| 11:48:59 | hohum | so joe soap has to find a unbroken build ?, yikes |
| 11:49:18 | BigBambi | It is extremely rare for a build to be broken |
| 11:49:37 | BigBambi | And if it is, a fixed one replaces it within 5 minutes normally |
| 11:49:53 | BigBambi | And we don't have a single player where a broken build will do any harm |
| 11:50:30 | BigBambi | The only ones that could are the bootloaders on H1x0 and H3x0, which are extensively and carefully tested before release |
| 11:50:51 | Bagder | hohum: I sense criticism so I expect you'll present and offer a solution |
| 11:51:13 | hohum | well, its for that reason I run an old build, rather the devil I know etc.. |
| 11:51:13 | Bagder | it's not an easy problem imho |
| 11:51:35 | Bagder | right, but again, that build was made the exact same way all builds are |
| 11:51:46 | BigBambi | We ought to be like big commercial software companies that you pay hundreds of euros to that never produce broken products |
| 11:52:02 | BigBambi | hohum: Then you are being silly, and missing out on bug fixes and new features |
| 11:52:10 | BigBambi | By chosing an arbitrary build anyway |
| 11:52:27 | BigBambi | There is nothing to say that one has fewer bugs than the present current build |
| 11:53:36 | hohum | not criticising, I'm indeed gratefull for what I have, thank you. |
| 11:53:53 | BigBambi | I just don't know what you expect us to do |
| 11:55:51 | hohum | thanks for your time, for info, irc works well with CE 5 |
| 11:56:08 | BigBambi | CE 5? |
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| 12:39:44 | stripwax_ | Buschel - I'm back now. thanks for putting my mind at ease :) |
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| 12:41:05 | Buschel | stripwax: no problem −− my fault :/ I will update the patch today after my current runtime test. do you still hear the glitches with the v7-patch? |
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| 12:42:25 | stripwax | Buschel - not heard any yet, so I'm happy |
| 12:42:41 | Buschel | stripwax: then I am happy, too |
| 12:43:03 | stripwax | Buschel - just to confirm - you also heard the glitches with v6? or just from my report? |
| 12:43:29 | Buschel | stripwax: I heard them, too. But I needed to raise the volume a lot |
| 12:44:04 | stripwax | ok - mine were pretty apparent but highly dependent on the track I was listening to |
| 12:44:19 | stripwax | but those same tracks now sound fine so I think the problems indeed resolved |
| 12:45:02 | Buschel | stripwax: exactly. I used a track with stable synthesizer sounds, the clicking was quite obvious with it |
| 12:52:09 | stripwax | Buschel/saratoga - so rockbox draw less current while decoding than the OF for sansa? so does that imply that rockbox battery life is now better than OF, or is it not that straightforward yet? |
| 12:52:16 | stripwax | ^draws |
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| 12:54:09 | Buschel | stripwax: that's too straight forward −− the runtime tests still show worse battery lifetime. imho this is highly connected to the efficiency of the used codec. |
| 12:54:43 | Buschel | stripwax: e.g. with flac and further twaeking of the normal clock we may exceed the OF |
| 12:54:50 | Buschel | *tweaking |
| 12:54:59 | stripwax | but not with VBR mp3 yet, for example? |
| 12:56:19 | Buschel | stripwax: no. mp3 seems to need about 40MHz, mpc about 24MHz, flac about 13MHz. each MHz costs about 1/3mA |
| 12:57:26 | Buschel | stripwax: so, with optimizing the decoders we will gain more battery lifetime |
| 12:58:45 | stripwax | Buschel - hm, but according to saratoga's post we're drawing less than the retail OS, for mp3 |
| 12:59:11 | stripwax | clearly optimising *more* will give even greater battery life, but is battery life not just a function of required current? |
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| 12:59:53 | stripwax | and temperature, I suppose.. |
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| 13:00:17 | amiconn | Hmmmrm |
| 13:00:56 | amiconn | It just struck me that the suggested video sizes for ipod mini aren't correct, and the handling in mpegplayer itself also probably isn't |
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| 13:01:12 | n1s | stripwax: and peak current (more of a concern with hds though) |
| 13:01:38 | amiconn | The mini's lcd width is not an integer multiple of the block size, so the greylib has to round (down), and uses a width of 136 pixels |
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| 13:03:53 | amiconn | But even if we suggest a maximum width of 136 pixels, mpegplayer would crop 1 pixel at the right, because it centers the display within the lcd width. It doesn't know that the greylib rounds down |
| 13:04:53 | stripwax | anyone thought about parallelising one of the codecs to run on both cores at lower overall clock speed? or would that be doomed to failure? rereading portalplayers marketing shpiel suggests their FDK provides something along those lines |
| 13:05:29 | Buschel | stripwax: rockbox will adapt to the needed clock via changing its boost ratio. the higher the clock, the higher the current (as linear function). e.g. mpc needs ~16MHz less than mp3 = 4-5mA less. this is exactly what one can see from the runtime measurements |
| 13:06:43 | stripwax | Buschel - yep, I know that. so (0.45 * 56.2)+(0.55 * 36.1) = 45.2ma assuming 45% boost, which is less than 47ma of the retail OS for sansa, so I'm confused why the battery life would be less.. |
| 13:07:45 | Buschel | stripwax: this also matches the results from flac measurements with v7-patch. it gains a lot runtime (+30%) as flac needs <24MHz the change from 30->24MHz saves ~2mA. |
| 13:08:05 | Buschel | stripwax: maybe the OF uses more efficient decoding? |
| 13:08:28 | stripwax | actually that's exactly my question - what is 'more efficient' if it uses more current? |
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| 13:09:32 | Buschel | stripwax: ahh, sorry. you talked about sansa? i remember saratoga said the sansa's OF is quite inefficient −− maybe we now surpass sansa's OF, but not the ipod's. |
| 13:10:03 | Buschel | but i do not know the runtime of sansa OF... |
| 13:10:05 | stripwax | yes, I was talking about sansa and saratogas measurements :) so when you said battery life is not longer, you meant " - for ipod" |
| 13:10:12 | Buschel | yep |
| 13:10:17 | stripwax | ah-hah! ok, confusion over :-) |
| 13:10:23 | Buschel | as I've got one :) |
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| 13:13:22 | salty-horse | docs/README mentions the "tools/configure update" option, but the script doesn't do anything with "update" |
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| 13:13:42 | Bagder | the docs is outdated |
| 13:13:52 | Bagder | we once had an update option |
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| 13:16:02 | JamPSi | Hi! My Sansa e280 freezes now when I plug in the usb-cable |
| 13:16:17 | JamPSi | happened when I updated from 16001 -> newest |
| 13:16:45 | JamPSi | I have opened this now 2 times and I'm getting tired of screwing with my fingers |
| 13:16:54 | stripwax | opened it? |
| 13:17:05 | JamPSi | no way to reset without opening, right? |
| 13:17:10 | Bagder | prese menu for 15 secs |
| 13:17:12 | Bagder | press |
| 13:17:15 | JamPSi | hmm |
| 13:18:04 | salty-horse | :) |
| 13:18:19 | JamPSi | :D |
| 13:18:24 | JamPSi | wow |
| 13:18:30 | JamPSi | never had a manual for this thing :) |
| 13:18:37 | JamPSi | thanks |
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| 13:18:52 | JamPSi | but it still freezes if I plug in the cable when rockbox is running |
| 13:19:14 | JamPSi | Any advice on that one? |
| 13:20:10 | JamPSi | I did a fresh install and it still happens |
| 13:20:33 | salty-horse | I have a problem too: I tried running sansapatcher again and now the bootloader doesn't stop the original firmware from rebuilding the database. |
| 13:20:53 | JamPSi | wtf is happening |
| 13:21:19 | Domonoky | salty-horse: this is sansa ? |
| 13:21:32 | salty-horse | Domonoky, yes. e280 like JamPSi |
| 13:21:56 | salty-horse | the bootloader used to print a message about disabling the db rebuild, but now it doesn't |
| 13:21:56 | pixelma | JamPSi: it is known that the automatic reboot that should happen when connecting to USB from a running Rockbox doesn't work reliably on the e200s |
| 13:22:11 | Domonoky | salty-horse: i think rockbox can only prevent database update on some original firmwares. so if you updated the sansa of... |
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| 13:22:31 | Domonoky | *some versions of sansa of* |
| 13:22:33 | JamPSi | pixelma: it worked near perfect before, just sometimes had to try several times to connect the cable. |
| 13:22:35 | salty-horse | JamPSi, my sansa just restarts over and over again when i plug the cable |
| 13:22:46 | JamPSi | mhm |
| 13:22:46 | salty-horse | Domonoky, I haven't updated the original firmware at all |
| 13:22:58 | JamPSi | I had the newest firmware when I put rockbox in |
| 13:23:22 | JamPSi | like a month ago |
| 13:24:51 | pixelma | JamPSi: in my experience (c200 and tried a Mini once) it is different from build to build (and has been this way for a bit over a year), currently it works alright since the "new" USB stack at my c250 though but I often read about people still having this problem on e200 and Ipods sometimes |
| 13:25:18 | Domonoky | salty-horse: and it worked before ? then it also should work now, rockbox just toggles a bit somewhere, which the of firmware reads out... (but i dont know too much about sansa) |
| 13:25:34 | salty-horse | I know! it's really odd |
| 13:26:11 | JamPSi | hmm, now it displays the usb-icon in the player... |
| 13:26:26 | JamPSi | ...and freezes :P |
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| 13:27:14 | JamPSi | well can I get an older build? |
| 13:27:46 | stripwax | JamPSi - is this just for charging? or do you want to transfer files? I thought you needed to reboot into the of to transfer files |
| 13:27:48 | Domonoky | JamPSi: you could go to the daily builds page. there are builds up to a month ago.. |
| 13:28:02 | JamPSi | stripwax: I have only this datacable |
| 13:28:07 | JamPSi | so: both |
| 13:28:36 | JamPSi | before it nicely rebooted into original firmware |
| 13:29:00 | stripwax | JamPSi - does it work if you reboot into the original firmware yourself manually first? |
| 13:29:08 | JamPSi | stripwax: yes i think so |
| 13:29:28 | pixelma | sure as Domonoky said. But I wouldn't worry too much - just connect it from an "off" state and when the Rockbox USB stack is more complete I think the problem should be gone |
| 13:30:09 | JamPSi | what needs to be done to the stack? |
| 13:30:41 | salty-horse | pixelma, after the usb stack upgrade, connecting the cable from an "off" state starts rockbox instead of the original firmware |
| 13:31:06 | Domonoky | JamPSi: at the moment it only requests high charging, so much work has to be done on the usb stack (i think zagor is working on ums support?) |
| 13:31:10 | salty-horse | at least, I *think* it was caused by the usb stack upgrade |
| 13:33:35 | pixelma | salty-horse: huh, really? Connecting my c250 this why always works (at least it always boots into the OF, and only on a slow USB1.1 connection on an old laptop I sometimes have the problem that the OF doesn't detect the connection in which case I really have to start the OF manually first) |
| 13:34:17 | salty-horse | I never had a problem with the OF detecting the connection |
| 13:37:00 | salty-horse | pixelma, it works now! I run sansa patcher again with firmwares supplied by rockbox |
| 13:37:04 | salty-horse | (compiled..) |
| 13:37:15 | salty-horse | now it starts the original AND does a db rebuild |
| 13:39:10 | stripwax | crazy out-there idea. what would happen if mpa.c creates one thread to decode the stream and one thread to synthesize the samples? |
| 13:39:44 | stripwax | one on cpu and one on cop |
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| 13:42:32 | stripwax | would I be correct in saying the actual decoding is insignificant compared to the synthesising step? |
| 13:42:39 | salty-horse | Nico_P, ping |
| 13:42:52 | Nico_P | pong |
| 13:43:06 | Buschel | stripwax: synthesizing will take most of the load. I'd say >80% |
| 13:43:28 | salty-horse | hi Nico_P. is there any reason why the track listing in pictureflow isn't sorted by track number (for all the cases where I tested, it's sorted in reverse, but that may be a coincidence) |
| 13:43:32 | salty-horse | ? |
| 13:43:52 | Buschel | stripwax: the different decoding speeds for different bitrates show the effect/load of the bitstream decoding |
| 13:44:03 | stripwax | Buschel - makes sense. crazy out-there idea #2 - decode two frames in parallel on cop+cpu |
| 13:45:06 | stripwax | I'd imagine an overall lower clock speed and making better use of the two cores would reduce current |
| 13:45:15 | Buschel | stripwax: but if at least the decoder will run on cop we could save some clocking/boosting as the additional load (e.g. gui/wps/...) could run on cpu |
| 13:45:28 | Nico_P | salty-horse: wow you're right... never noticed it |
| 13:45:36 | Buschel | stripwax: exactly. |
| 13:46:10 | stripwax | Buschel - so in my mind, the "ideal" metric would be decoding speed if gui/wps is turned off .. an idle gui + codec on cop won't reduce clock speed compared to idle gui + codec on cpu, I don't think |
| 13:46:15 | Buschel | stripwax: the possible gain can be nearly seen in the better runtime when disabling wps |
| 13:46:21 | Nico_P | salty-horse: I'll see if the fix isn't too complicated |
| 13:46:32 | stripwax | Buschel - true |
| 13:46:35 | salty-horse | Nico_P, when will I be able to play albums through it, as if it's a database interface? |
| 13:46:51 | BigBambi | when someone writes it |
| 13:47:01 | stripwax | there's already half-a-patch |
| 13:47:39 | Nico_P | salty-horse: I can't tell you when. ATM I give priority to playback bugfixes |
| 13:47:55 | salty-horse | Nico_P, there's an extra space in pictureflow.c:428 "track_count < MAX_TRACKS" |
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| 13:50:50 | * | DerPapst waves :-) |
| 13:51:35 | Buschel | stripwax: btw, I wonder why the default current on sansa is that high. on an ipod the average current (when boosting at ~45%) is ~36mA |
| 13:52:08 | * | stripwax shrugs :) |
| 13:53:27 | stripwax | Do pp cop+cpu both have iram, or is it shared, or only on cpu? |
| 13:54:05 | Buschel | not sure, maybe jhMikeS knows... |
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| 13:57:57 | amiconn | Buschel: Not only gui/wps, but also dsp effects |
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| 13:58:13 | amiconn | stripwax: iram is shared |
| 13:58:30 | stripwax | amiconn - thanks |
| 13:59:06 | amiconn | Cache is per cpu, which is what dual core operation tricky, as there is no cache snooping |
| 13:59:54 | countrymonkeyweb | Hold on, this last commit that touches mpegplayer, does that mean no menu on startup? That would be great for blind people. |
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| 14:00:06 | BigBambi | and every one else too |
| 14:00:07 | amiconn | Data consistency must be ensured in software, either by flushing and invalidating caches when handing over data from cpu to cop or vice versa, or by using uncached buffers |
| 14:00:23 | countrymonkeyweb | true? |
| 14:00:34 | DerPapst | mpegplayer for blind people? am i missing something? |
| 14:00:49 | countrymonkeyweb | Is the startup menu gone? |
| 14:00:49 | Buschel | amiconn: there were some test before with codec on cop, right? |
| 14:00:53 | BigBambi | I haven't tried, but from the commit message, yes |
| 14:01:10 | DerPapst | countrymonkeyweb: according to the commitmessage, yes |
| 14:01:17 | DerPapst | meh |
| 14:01:26 | BigBambi | :) |
| 14:01:31 | countrymonkeyweb | That is about the only thing stopping blind people watching vids in rb other than the handicaps of mpegplayer itself which are handicapping sighted people too. |
| 14:02:09 | BigBambi | what is the point of mpegplayer for blind people? |
| 14:02:17 | BigBambi | Why not just extract the audio? |
| 14:02:20 | DerPapst | i don't quiet understand why blind people want to watch videos in rockbox :-S |
| 14:02:22 | countrymonkeyweb | listening to movies. |
| 14:02:34 | BigBambi | Extract the audio? |
| 14:02:44 | countrymonkeyweb | And I don't know how to extract the audio. |
| 14:02:49 | DerPapst | countrymonkeyweb: you'd have to convert the video anyways so extracting just the audio is easier. |
| 14:02:57 | BigBambi | Something like virtualdub will do it easy |
| 14:03:03 | DerPapst | and faster and doesn'T waste space on hdd |
| 14:03:09 | BigBambi | Then it would take less battery, be easier to work with... |
| 14:03:24 | countrymonkeyweb | I'll wait for an video audio extraction utility to be availible on giveawayoftheday.com |
| 14:03:35 | DerPapst | even mencoder does that and vlc probably too |
| 14:03:47 | amiconn | Buschel: Yes, but I didn't follow those tests closely. Reportedly it was rather unstable |
| 14:03:48 | BigBambi | well, each to their own, but it seems very pointless to me |
| 14:03:56 | countrymonkeyweb | freeware utilities exist to do the same thing? |
| 14:03:57 | amiconn | This was before jhMikeS' scheduler rework |
| 14:04:01 | BigBambi | countrymonkeyweb: yes |
| 14:04:09 | DerPapst | countrymonkeyweb: of course |
| 14:04:18 | BigBambi | I already mentioned virtualdub, and menoder + vlc will do it |
| 14:04:25 | BigBambi | I imaging ffmpeg will too |
| 14:04:54 | countrymonkeyweb | google time. thx. I would do anything to not watch movies on mpegplayer and use the core playback engine instead. I know it is a work-in-progress but still... |
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| 14:05:14 | Buschel | amiconn: would it be hard to re-implement again? especially as there are two configurations (1. audio-playback only: codec on cop, 2. mpegplayer: codec on cpu, video on cop)? |
| 14:05:15 | BigBambi | countrymonkeyweb: It is easily as easy to extract audio than onvert |
| 14:05:23 | countrymonkeyweb | is virtualdub freeware? |
| 14:05:23 | BigBambi | *convert |
| 14:05:25 | BigBambi | yes |
| 14:05:38 | countrymonkeyweb | thx. |
| 14:06:15 | DerPapst | ffmpeg does that too. |
| 14:06:28 | BigBambi | yep |
| 14:06:41 | countrymonkeyweb | cool. I am at the virtualdub web site. |
| 14:06:45 | BigBambi | I think pretty much any audio/video converting/editing program will |
| 14:06:49 | pixelma | I think you already can "listen" to your movie - if it's a wmv I think Rockbox takes it and plays the wma sound portion :) (haven't tried myself yet though) |
| 14:07:11 | DerPapst | yes. that works too |
| 14:07:30 | countrymonkeyweb | You mean rockbox core or mpegplayer? |
| 14:07:55 | BigBambi | core |
| 14:08:00 | BigBambi | mpegplayer plays mpegs |
| 14:08:12 | countrymonkeyweb | cool. thx. |
| 14:08:15 | amiconn | Buschel: Also, iirc there was no power saving observed from codec-on-cop. The theory was that the scheduler caused the cores to lock-step |
| 14:08:58 | amiconn | I have no idea how hard it would be; jhMikeS seems to be a dualcore expert |
| 14:09:16 | Buschel | amiconn: hmmm, a pitty... but noone tested after scheduler rework? and: is it possible to switch off cop, if not used? |
| 14:09:17 | amiconn | I don't understand the current scheduler code... |
| 14:09:40 | Buschel | ok, maybe I'll ask jhMikeS, if he comes along |
| 14:09:50 | amiconn | The cop can't be switched off. All it can do is sleep (which both cores do anyway when they're unused) |
| 14:10:57 | amiconn | Btw, if there were just the cores, and no peripheral units in the PP, there would be no advantage in splitting tasks between the 2 cores |
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| 14:11:25 | Buschel | well, you could lower the clocking then |
| 14:11:47 | stripwax | amiconn - really? |
| 14:11:49 | amiconn | Since power consuption vs. clock is approximately linear, one core running at twice the clock would consume the same amount of power as two active cores |
| 14:12:01 | stripwax | hm, I thought someone said otherwise, recently |
| 14:12:19 | Buschel | yes, but right now we clock both cores and only use 1 |
| 14:14:32 | amiconn | The other core is sleeping, hence consumes almost no power |
| 14:15:20 | amiconn | The gain from splitting would be that we can lower the (average) clock, which saves power in the peripheral modules |
| 14:15:22 | Buschel | ok, then there definately no reason to split between cop/cpu |
| 14:15:27 | Buschel | *is |
| 14:15:44 | amiconn | And the other advantage would be that we have more total processing power available |
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| 14:16:29 | amiconn | Quite important e.g. if one wants to use ogg and the eq on PP5002 |
| 14:17:04 | amiconn | Without eq, ogg just manages to keep up on PP5002 (treble/bass can be used) |
| 14:17:10 | stripwax | amiconn - do all the peripherals shame the same clock? ah! |
| 14:19:41 | amiconn | Depends |
| 14:19:52 | amiconn | For most peripherals we don't even known |
| 14:19:54 | amiconn | -n |
| 14:20:03 | amiconn | The ata controller definitely does |
| 14:20:24 | amiconn | The lcd bridge 2 can be configured to use either 24MHz or the pll |
| 14:21:04 | amiconn | In fact the extra processing power is the main reason why we should try to use both cores where it makes sense |
| 14:21:09 | amiconn | (imho) |
| 14:21:52 | amiconn | The spc codec already does, and perhaps it is a way to get at least some basic ape realtime on PP... |
| 14:22:11 | stripwax | I'm poking around in mpa.c as an experiment |
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| 14:55:51 | countrymonkeyweb | I cannot figure out how to install qt4. How is it done? |
| 14:56:23 | Domonoky | countrymonkeyweb: on which os ? |
| 14:56:31 | countrymonkeyweb | win |
| 14:56:47 | Domonoky | there is a installer for this on the qt webpage |
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| 14:57:08 | Domonoky | installs qt and mingw, all you need for rbutil :-) |
| 14:57:34 | countrymonkeyweb | All I find is a 48 mb or so zip file. |
| 14:57:53 | countrymonkeyweb | but maybe there is something I missed |
| 14:58:13 | Domonoky | take a look at this page: http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/windows |
| 14:58:31 | Domonoky | there is a windows exe for download.. thats the installer |
| 14:59:06 | countrymonkeyweb | thx a lot. That will install everything then I compile as described on the rbutil wikipage? |
| 14:59:57 | Domonoky | that will install qt, it also makes a qt entry in the start menü, with an entry to a console, you can use to compile rbutil.. |
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| 15:00:25 | countrymonkeyweb | s the consol cygwin/linux-like? |
| 15:01:19 | countrymonkeyweb | thx a lot. |
| 15:01:37 | Domonoky | its a windows console.. but its not much different.. |
| 15:02:54 | countrymonkeyweb | thx. I should be able to figure it out. I have been building rb for quite a while. |
| 15:03:03 | Buschel | strrrrike! |
| 15:03:12 | countrymonkeyweb | what? |
| 15:03:16 | * | Buschel just reached 13:18h runtime on his 5G 30GB :o) |
| 15:03:41 | countrymonkeyweb | cool. I want your build. |
| 15:03:46 | Buschel | that's 95% of OF :) |
| 15:04:11 | countrymonkeyweb | What did you do to the build? |
| 15:04:47 | Buschel | fs#8379 + disabling WPS |
| 15:06:31 | countrymonkeyweb | Now how is the wps disabled? What will be displayed instead? |
| 15:06:56 | Nico_P | Buschel: does disabling the WPS make much of a difference? |
| 15:06:56 | Buschel | just go into main menu while playback |
| 15:07:05 | Buschel | it consumes lots of cpu power |
| 15:07:31 | countrymonkeyweb | thx a lot. I always need more battery life. |
| 15:08:44 | stripwax | Buschel - that's the same methodology soap+I used to measure just 16hrs on 5G 60GB. (although that was using v6 not v7 - I don't have a runtime on v7 yet). 16hrs is 75% of OF on 60GB |
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| 15:09:22 | * | Buschel wants an option to switch off WPS if backlight is off |
| 15:09:39 | stripwax | Buschel - we noticed that peakmeters in wps reduced runtime by about 3hrs, but not such a big difference with wps if wps doesn't have peakmeters |
| 15:09:46 | * | countrymonkeyweb wants that too |
| 15:09:58 | * | stripwax doesn't (on video ipod anyway) |
| 15:10:13 | * | DerPapst neither.... make it a setting :-D |
| 15:10:15 | * | countrymonkeyweb has no 5g |
| 15:10:27 | * | countrymonkeyweb has 4g |
| 15:10:33 | Nico_P | if you can prove it's makes that much of a difference, it probably will be considered |
| 15:10:36 | Buschel | I guess our blind users would be thankful, too |
| 15:10:41 | stripwax | true |
| 15:10:49 | countrymonkeyweb | yes. |
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| 15:12:58 | Buschel | can anyone tell me how to implement boosting while using GUI (and automatically unbossting after a while)? |
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| 15:13:22 | stripwax | button/scrollwheel driver? |
| 15:13:48 | stripwax | not sure about the unboosting part, hmm. |
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| 15:16:35 | soap | Buschel, was that 13+ hour runtime with MPC? |
| 15:16:41 | Buschel | yep |
| 15:17:07 | soap | so 0% boost with no WPS vs ~50% boost with MP3 I |
| 15:17:10 | soap | 'd assume? |
| 15:17:29 | Buschel | something like this, yes |
| 15:17:58 | Buschel | even @24MHz we still waste current for flac... |
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| 15:18:35 | soap | the difference between 50% boost and 0% boost is a 10ma draw (roughly) by saratoga's Sansa measurements. |
| 15:19:35 | soap | and if the constant is ~40 ma....95/50*40 = 76 |
| 15:20:11 | soap | 95% runtime / 50ma we average * 40ma you average = 76% which is what we see. |
| 15:20:35 | stripwax | nice |
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| 15:21:08 | soap | just pulling numbers out of me bum |
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| 15:21:52 | turbotorben | hi |
| 15:21:57 | J-23 | Hello. |
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| 15:23:58 | * | Buschel updated his patch for further testing (especially for flac-users) |
| 15:24:42 | J-23 | My player hangs when I enable "Database -> Collecting data when playing" |
| 15:25:09 | J-23 | Player is Sansa c240 1GB with radio, I have 1GB microSD card |
| 15:25:30 | stripwax | J-23 - using the latest rockbox version? |
| 15:25:30 | Buschel | prediction: when disabling WPS and using flac with even further reduced normal clock, rockbox will exceed OF runtime |
| 15:25:43 | J-23 | stripwax: Probably yes. |
| 15:25:52 | stripwax | Buschel - hm, 'even further reduced normal clock' ? |
| 15:26:03 | stripwax | oh, < 24MHz ? |
| 15:26:05 | Buschel | on sansa it even does right now |
| 15:26:41 | stripwax | J-23 - 'probably'? when did you install rockbox |
| 15:27:10 | soap | from saratoga's ma numbers, with your patch, Buschel, rockbox should excees Sansa runtime even with a boosting MP3. |
| 15:27:19 | stripwax | right |
| 15:27:35 | Buschel | soap: some user is testing it right now −− let's see :) |
| 15:27:47 | J-23 | stripwax: r16000-080105 |
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| 15:28:16 | stripwax | J-23 can you try the latest one and see if you still get that behaviour? that's a week old, something might have already been fixed. |
| 15:29:04 | * | stripwax recalls seeing a fix for collecting runtime stats |
| 15:30:06 | stripwax | J-23 - the setting you referred to, do you mean "Gather Runtime Data"? |
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| 15:33:41 | turbotorben | is there at the moment a solution in work to run rockbox on the sansa e200 v2´s ?? |
| 15:34:07 | tri170391 | I think it's impossible for now :( |
| 15:34:12 | stripwax | argh, silly tracker. Buschel - apols for double-posting my last comment. I hit refresh in my browser, guess it reposted.. |
| 15:34:30 | tri170391 | No one had cracked the firmware yet. |
| 15:34:38 | advcomp2019 | turbotorben, not at the time.. you can look in the forums |
| 15:34:50 | turbotorben | hmm okay :( |
| 15:34:51 | tri170391 | No firmware = no reverse engineering :( |
| 15:35:59 | turbotorben | bummer :( |
| 15:36:14 | Buschel | stripwax: no prob |
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| 15:40:03 | countrymonkeyweb | Where is rbutil.exe located on a win box once compiled? |
| 15:40:30 | Domonoky | rbutil/rbutilqt/release i think.. |
| 15:40:45 | countrymonkeyweb | Hold on and I'll check |
| 15:41:17 | countrymonkeyweb | I ran qmake then make in the folder but the release folder is empty. |
| 15:41:19 | turbotorben | thanks 4 the answers, have an nice day @ll |
| 15:41:25 | Buschel | amiconn: what is the most generic way to check whether the backlight is off? |
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| 15:41:56 | Domonoky | countrymonkeyweb: and there were no errors ? |
| 15:42:12 | Domonoky | try run make in the rbutilqt folder |
| 15:42:30 | countrymonkeyweb | I didn't pay attention. Let me check. |
| 15:43:36 | countrymonkeyweb | There was an error rbspeex-related |
| 15:43:45 | Domonoky | ah |
| 15:44:01 | Domonoky | run make in tools/rbspeex, preferably under cygwin.. |
| 15:44:39 | Domonoky | there is a rule to build rbspeex lib in rbutils .pro file, but somehow this doesnt work. |
| 15:44:46 | countrymonkeyweb | Cool. Then run the rbutil make stuff? |
| 15:45:08 | countrymonkeyweb | thx. |
| 15:45:09 | Domonoky | jeah, just build the rbspeex lib, and the run rbutils make again.. |
| 15:45:39 | countrymonkeyweb | mcool. thx a lot. |
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| 15:52:04 | countrymonkeyweb | It is spitting out another "no rule to make" error. This time it is coughing up on rbutilfrm.h. |
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| 15:54:01 | Domonoky | there is no rbutilfrm.h ... either its another name, or your rockbox source is very old... |
| 15:54:59 | Domonoky | try "qmake *.pro" then "qmake", then "make" in the rbutil/rbutilqt folder |
| 15:55:34 | Domonoky | it works for me, so it also should work for you :-) |
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| 15:59:25 | Han | Hi, I got an Ipod ma428 over here. Can I run rockbox on it? |
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| 16:00:00 | linuxstb | No, that's a second generation Nano. |
| 16:00:56 | Han | ok, thank you. |
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| 16:10:07 | Domonoky | if someone wants to try the new voice creation in rbutil: here is win binary of svn: domonoky/rbutilqt-m1.0.4pre.exe">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-m1.0.4pre.exe |
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| 16:16:06 | c0untrymonk3yweb | Rasher/moos: tasks 8132 and 8369 are past due. Could they please be committed? |
| 16:17:06 | c0untrymonk3yweb | hello |
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| 16:22:28 | moos | c0untrymonk3yweb: Hi, I didn't looked 8132, and for the 8369, like I already said you, this is best that one native norsk speaker check the patch first (like preglow for exemple) |
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| 16:24:07 | moos | for the due date, rasher made it then I guess he is concerned |
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| 16:44:22 | Aziz | hello :) |
| 16:44:41 | Aziz | quiet a crowd. good for me because i need help :D |
| 16:45:13 | * | stripwax waits for the question... |
| 16:45:38 | Aziz | okay |
| 16:45:47 | Aziz | well. i have a sansa e200 (not v2 and not R) |
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| 16:46:04 | Aziz | and i can't seem to install rockbox, either auto or manual, linux or windows =/ |
| 16:46:21 | Aziz | the auto-installer did find it, once |
| 16:46:42 | Aziz | it would copy the .rockbox directory fine |
| 16:46:51 | Aziz | but when installing bootloader, it would say "no sansa found: |
| 16:47:00 | Aziz | same with manual install 'sansapatcher' |
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| 16:48:29 | J-23 | try automatic install with sansapatcher |
| 16:49:11 | Aziz | i have |
| 16:49:17 | Domonoky | Aziz: your sansa is connected and visible as a drive, when you try sansapatcher ? |
| 16:49:43 | J-23 | How can I take screenshots on Rockbox player? |
| 16:49:47 | stripwax | Aziz - is it this: "Warning: The following steps require you to change the setting in Settings -> USB Mode to MSC from within the original firmware" |
| 16:50:00 | Aziz | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/, right? |
| 16:50:04 | stripwax | J-23 you can enable it from the debug menu |
| 16:50:11 | Aziz | stripwax, no it is in MSC |
| 16:50:20 | Aziz | and it is visible as a drive |
| 16:50:22 | Aziz | drive E: |
| 16:50:55 | Aziz | "no e200s or c200s found, aborting" =/ |
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| 16:51:32 | Aziz | I should point out that my version number is 01.02.18A |
| 16:51:37 | Domonoky | Aziz: havee you done anything on the drive ? like formated it ? |
| 16:51:48 | stripwax | Aziz - and you're running as Administrator on Windows XP? |
| 16:51:50 | Aziz | no i haven't. |
| 16:51:59 | Aziz | :/ unfortunately no, stripwax. at work |
| 16:52:04 | Aziz | i was going to ask that too |
| 16:52:08 | stripwax | You need Administrator rights |
| 16:52:13 | Aziz | alright |
| 16:52:24 | stripwax | Step 1: Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player. |
| 16:52:30 | Domonoky | thats it, admin rights are needed for direct disk access... |
| 16:52:36 | Aziz | well |
| 16:52:39 | advcomp2019 | Aziz, what firmware version do you have installed into the sansa |
| 16:52:43 | Aziz | 01.02.18A |
| 16:53:04 | advcomp2019 | Aziz, o ok good |
| 16:53:05 | Domonoky | i should include a warning into rbutil if you dont have sufficient rights... (only need a crossplattform way to check this) |
| 16:53:11 | Aziz | I'll have to go to my linux laptop as im on the school computers (where I work) and don't have an admin access. And my laptop won't run windows. You able to help me with linux? |
| 16:53:26 | stripwax | Aziz - all the instructions are here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.3.2 |
| 16:53:52 | Aziz | i had tried the automatic installer. i'll try the manual install. if i have issues i'll be back. thanks for the help |
| 16:54:28 | stripwax | Aziz - for linux "you may need to be the root user in order for sansapatcher to have sufficient permission to perform raw disk access to your player" |
| 16:55:07 | Domonoky | Aziz: the automatic installer just uses sansapatcher in behind... it will work either way, if you have root/admin rights.. :-) |
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| 17:02:56 | stripwax | what's the fastest way to just rebuild one codec? just 'make'? or is there a better way |
| 17:04:52 | Aziz | thanks for the help :) bootloader installed |
| 17:05:21 | Aziz | what i was doing wrong before was i didn't use "./sansapatcher" and i couldnt figure out why it wouldnt execute :/ |
| 17:05:35 | stripwax | how *did* you try and execute it ?? |
| 17:05:52 | BigBambi | "sansapatcher" I imagine |
| 17:05:56 | Aziz | yeah :P |
| 17:06:11 | Aziz | still a noob to linux |
| 17:06:36 | Aziz | i suppose with no path, it was looking for "sansapatcher" in the path? |
| 17:06:45 | Domonoky | yup |
| 17:06:54 | Aziz | ah |
| 17:06:54 | BigBambi | By default, Linux does not search the current directory for executables; you must explicitly tell it where to look. |
| 17:07:16 | Aziz | should I add "." to the path? |
| 17:07:32 | Aziz | i'm a java programmer so I know how paths work which helps :) |
| 17:07:38 | Domonoky | no, its better to just type ./programname |
| 17:07:41 | stripwax | Aziz - the instructions even say to type ./sansapatcher ... |
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| 17:07:44 | Aziz | yeah |
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| 17:08:37 | Aziz | well i didnt follow the commands exactly at first. i just read it though "okay make sure its executable and run it". then when it didnt work ran back to this PC and looked again. For some reason the school's wireless is being weird |
| 17:08:43 | Aziz | back to windows now for other stuff |
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| 17:10:33 | Aziz | maybe i should delete some music before adding all this:P |
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| 17:16:44 | Aziz | alright :) everything's go. thanks for your help |
| 17:17:19 | stripwax | Aziz - thanks. almost all cases of installation not working is caused by not following instructions exactly :) |
| 17:18:19 | * | Aziz shame |
| 17:18:40 | Aziz | "Make sure you are logged into your computer as Administrator, or a user with Administrator privileges and connect your player. " heh |
| 17:19:18 | stripwax | :) |
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| 17:20:18 | Aziz | i've been interested in developing a good MP3 player system because all the ones I used were bad. :) and along comes open source rockbox! i may get involved. anyways, again, thanks, im out |
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| 17:34:08 | ThinkDbl | hi guys.... I've got a quick question.... |
| 17:34:43 | c0untrymonk3yweb | what? |
| 17:35:16 | ThinkDbl | Does anyone have a good way to copy a playlist to a rockboxed ipod wherein all the mp3's are in separate directories |
| 17:35:30 | ThinkDbl | and copy the mp3's too ? |
| 17:35:57 | ThinkDbl | a steer in the right direction really appreciated... |
| 17:36:35 | stripwax | ThinkDbl - do you use linux? |
| 17:36:42 | c0untrymonk3yweb | Just copy your music folder unless there are other files mixed in with the mp3s |
| 17:37:00 | ThinkDbl | nope don't use linux |
| 17:37:27 | ThinkDbl | the mp3 files are all in separate directories... |
| 17:37:34 | stripwax | copy all the directories? |
| 17:37:38 | c0untrymonk3yweb | me neither. I don't mean copy as in cp, I mean copy as in drag and drop (if windows). |
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| 17:38:57 | ThinkDbl | well I'm talking alot of files and directories... no one knows of an automated way? |
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| 17:39:19 | GodEater_ | selecting all the directories and copying them at once *is* automated |
| 17:39:59 | rvvs89 | ThinkDbl: Use windows to search for files with .mp3 as the extension, then copy all the results to your device |
| 17:39:59 | stripwax | if you use linux, you could knock up a simple shell script (or command) to copy each file from your playlist from source to target |
| 17:40:00 | c0untrymonk3yweb | Non-contiguous select if they are all within a certain dir. |
| 17:40:25 | ThinkDbl | well what I'm saying is I have the playlist created.... and I want to carry all those files to the ipod |
| 17:40:37 | ThinkDbl | they are all spread across multi drives and directories... |
| 17:40:46 | stripwax | ThinkDbl - do you want one of us to write a batch file for you to do it? |
| 17:40:58 | stripwax | what directory structure do you want/need on your ipod? |
| 17:41:23 | stripwax | if your playlist includes the drive (which, presumably, it must) then you would need to change the playlist, too, to remove that drive information |
| 17:41:24 | soap | foobar can do this |
| 17:41:42 | stripwax | ah, there you go then |
| 17:42:26 | Fedorageek920 | Is this an iTunes playlist? |
| 17:42:26 | ThinkDbl | aye perfect thanx |
| 17:42:52 | soap | it will need some cofig on your part - but they have excellent forums on HydrogenAudio about foobar config, and their own channel here - their channel is even stricter than here about expecting the question asker to have searched all available documentation, though |
| 17:43:12 | ThinkDbl | no problem on hydrogrenaudio.... |
| 17:43:32 | ThinkDbl | I've forgotten how much of a swiss army knife foobar is.... thanx |
| 17:44:25 | ThinkDbl | thank you everyone. |
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| 17:45:42 | Fedorageek920 | I'm having a little problem building rockbox. |
| 17:46:37 | Fedorageek920 | ipod_fw.c:32:20 getopt.c No such file or directory |
| 17:48:12 | Fedorageek920 | I'd like some help, tell me if you need more info. |
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| 17:54:09 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - do you really need to build ipod_fw ? |
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| 17:54:38 | stripwax | if you just want to build rockbox (the os), you don't need to build the ipod firmware patcher yourself |
| 17:55:01 | Fedorageek920 | The makefile tries to build it... |
| 17:55:14 | stripwax | hm, which makefile? |
| 17:55:28 | GodEater_ | stripwax: I think the make process uses it to build rockbox.ipod |
| 17:55:37 | stripwax | ah - didn't know that. |
| 17:55:44 | Fedorageek920 | the one generated when ../tools/configure |
| 17:55:55 | Fedorageek920 | I'm on cygwin |
| 17:56:09 | GodEater_ | Fedorageek920: your cygwin install is missing some bits |
| 17:56:20 | Fedorageek920 | what bits? |
| 17:56:28 | GodEater_ | couldn't tell you - I don't use it |
| 17:56:36 | GodEater_ | but getopt.c isn't something we ship in the rockbox source |
| 17:56:43 | GodEater_ | so it has to be provided by cygwin |
| 17:56:55 | GodEater_ | I'd go back over the guide in the wiki to using cygwin as your dev environment |
| 17:57:00 | GodEater_ | and check you followed each step correctly |
| 17:57:14 | Fedorageek920 | okay. |
| 17:57:38 | Fedorageek920 | you mean simpleguidetocompiling? |
| 17:58:17 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 17:58:26 | Fedorageek920 | thanks |
| 17:59:00 | stripwax | what attribute do I need to make something uncached ? |
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| 18:00:50 | Motosuwa | can someone help me with cygwin? |
| 18:00:57 | stripwax | probably |
| 18:01:36 | Motosuwa | well, whenever I try to install it says that an older version of cygwin1.dll was found at c:\windows\system32 |
| 18:01:46 | Motosuwa | but the is no such a file at that directory |
| 18:02:18 | stripwax | are you sure? (you've turned on the option to show hidden and system files in that directory?) |
| 18:03:06 | Motosuwa | my explorer is set to show hidden and system files in every directory |
| 18:03:31 | stripwax | odd. don't know then. does it prevent you from installing cygwin? |
| 18:03:47 | Motosuwa | it doesn't |
| 18:03:53 | stripwax | try using explorer Search to locate all copies of cygwin1.dll on your hard drive |
| 18:03:54 | Motosuwa | but it prevents me from compiling |
| 18:04:16 | stripwax | do you get an error when you compile (as a result of the cygwin1.dll problem)? |
| 18:04:48 | Motosuwa | yes, it says something along the lines of having more than one version of that file |
| 18:05:19 | Motosuwa | I searched for this dll through Search, found some copies of it |
| 18:05:37 | stripwax | where are they located? probably, they could all be deleted and then cygwin reinstalled |
| 18:05:42 | Motosuwa | I just compressed those .dll because I don't know if they will be used by other programs |
| 18:06:05 | Motosuwa | since they located in other programs directories |
| 18:06:23 | Motosuwa | like smoovepod and altera |
| 18:06:31 | stripwax | if those other programs are in your Path then that's the problem.. |
| 18:07:29 | Motosuwa | I will try to uninstall, reboot and than reinstall it |
| 18:07:38 | Motosuwa | and see if something happens |
| 18:08:27 | stripwax | you could try that. or you could see if renaming the cygwin1.dll from those app folders (e.g. rename to cygwin1.dll.old) fixes it |
| 18:08:42 | * | stripwax hates apps that install their 'own' version of cygwin libs |
| 18:09:37 | Motosuwa | let me see |
| 18:09:46 | stripwax | Motosuwa - then if those other apps still work, delete the cygwin1.dll.old too |
| 18:09:58 | Motosuwa | what's the version of the .dll that cygwin install? |
| 18:11:29 | stripwax | "the latest" |
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| 18:12:32 | Motosuwa | would I be asking too much if I asked you to send me the .dll that you have in your cygwin/bin folder? |
| 18:12:48 | stripwax | Motosuwa - if you just reinstall cygwin you'll get the latest version anyway |
| 18:13:44 | stripwax | fwiw mine says version 1005.25.0.0 but I haven't updated cygwin for a while so it's probably not "the latest" version, which you would get when you install cygwin |
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| 18:15:06 | Motosuwa | ok, I will reinstall and see what happens |
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| 18:15:25 | Motosuwa | but first will reboot this pc |
| 18:15:47 | Motosuwa | thanks for the help, if if persists I will come back |
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| 18:19:01 | Fedorageek920 | hey, got all the packages, looked in ipod_fw.c and what do i see? #include "getopt.c" !! |
| 18:21:03 | | Quit tri170391 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:21:30 | stripwax | that's right |
| 18:22:07 | Fedorageek920 | so, it must be shipped with the rockbox src, but it isn't there! found it on koders. |
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| 18:22:35 | stripwax | it isn't a rockbox source file, it's a standard function |
| 18:22:42 | Fedorageek920 | but, it has a lot of compile errors... |
| 18:23:04 | Fedorageek920 | the filename is in quotes... |
| 18:23:06 | stripwax | let me see if I can locate the version I have for cygwin. I don't know what you've downloaded from koders.. |
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| 18:27:19 | Fedorageek920 | searching my cygwin root for getopt.c |
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| 18:32:21 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - hm, why is __WIN32__ defined on your cygwin setup? for me, ipod_fw.c doesn't need getopt.c because __WIN32__ is not defined. |
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| 18:36:24 | BigBambi | cd |
| 18:36:38 | BigBambi | Fedorageek920: getopt.c is not part of the rockbox source |
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| 18:42:17 | Fedorageek920 | i found it! |
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| 18:47:18 | Flamingo | Can't delete the .rockbox map on my iPod |
| 18:47:25 | Flamingo | Says that it's damaged |
| 18:47:38 | stripwax | Flamingo - what is "the .rockbox map" ? |
| 18:47:52 | Flamingo | The .rockbox map on my iPod |
| 18:48:03 | stripwax | what does "map" mean? |
| 18:48:09 | Flamingo | alksdma |
| 18:48:11 | stripwax | ? |
| 18:48:17 | Flamingo | Sorry my english's crappy today |
| 18:48:19 | Flamingo | I mean folder |
| 18:48:30 | stripwax | Flamingo - are you running rockbox |
| 18:48:38 | Flamingo | No. |
| 18:49:09 | stripwax | Is this a rockbox question then? ;-) So you're trying to delete it from e.g. Windows with your ipod connected but running the apple firmware? |
| 18:49:36 | Flamingo | I have apple and iPodlinux installed on it. |
| 18:50:17 | stripwax | you didn't answer my question though - how are you 'trying' to delete the .rockbox folder? What is telling you "it's damaged" ? |
| 18:50:44 | Flamingo | I'm trying to delete it from the iPod folder |
| 18:50:47 | Flamingo | Because it won't load |
| 18:51:10 | stripwax | Flamingo - *how* are you trying to delete it? thanks. |
| 18:51:19 | Flamingo | Rightclick > delete |
| 18:51:30 | stripwax | From Windows? |
| 18:51:34 | Flamingo | Yes |
| 18:51:41 | stripwax | Run a checkdisk on it |
| 18:51:49 | Flamingo | Checkdisk? |
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| 18:52:13 | stripwax | Properties -> Tools -> Check Now from My Computer |
| 18:52:36 | stripwax | Would you be wanting to reinstall rockbox afterwards ? or never want to run rockbox again? |
| 18:52:56 | Flamingo | Reinstalling it |
| 18:53:07 | Flamingo | And replacing the rockbox map won't work |
| 18:53:07 | stripwax | cool. see what checkdisk says first |
| 18:53:43 | stripwax | sounds like something has corrupted the ipod in some way, which checkdisk should be able to fix for you. then you should be able to reinstall rockbox. |
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| 18:54:20 | Flamingo | I'll redownload it first |
| 18:56:35 | Flamingo | Still checking |
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| 19:00:21 | Fedorageek920 | test |
| 19:02:34 | Flamingo | stripwax it's almost done \o/ |
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| 19:03:14 | Flamingo | Nevermind... |
| 19:03:33 | Flamingo | Didn't check the "fix" problems option |
| 19:04:06 | Flamingo | Yay it's done \o/ |
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| 19:04:54 | Flamingo | Oh fuck |
| 19:05:01 | Flamingo | stripwax it's still there! |
| 19:06:41 | BigBambi | Flamingo: language please |
| 19:06:49 | Hilikus | hey guys, is there a calendar for rockbox? hopefully compatible with google calendar |
| 19:06:54 | stripwax | Flamingo- what's still where? |
| 19:07:00 | Flamingo | The rockbox |
| 19:07:13 | stripwax | You've run checkdisk, did it fix any problems? Have you tried deleting it now? |
| 19:07:17 | Flamingo | It doesn't show up in the iPod folder |
| 19:07:18 | stripwax | Checkdisk isn't going to "delete rockbox" |
| 19:07:34 | Flamingo | ;__; |
| 19:07:38 | Flamingo | Replacing it now |
| 19:07:46 | stripwax | It doesn't show up in the iPod folder? But it's still there? I don't understand what you are saying unfortunately |
| 19:07:54 | linuxstb | Fedorageek920: I don't know if you've solved your ipod_fw problem, but you don't need ipod_fw to compile or install Rockbox. I'll remove it from the Makefile in SVN now... |
| 19:08:16 | Fedorageek920 | okay thanks |
| 19:08:22 | Flamingo | Yeah just rebooted my iPod |
| 19:08:22 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - any luck finding out why __WIN32__ is set on your system? |
| 19:08:41 | Flamingo | And it said that it couldn't load Rockbox.ipod |
| 19:08:43 | Fedorageek920 | my system is windows... |
| 19:09:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:09:13 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - so is mine, but when I build rockbox from cygwin it doesn't seem that __WIN32__ is set. I could be wrong.. |
| 19:09:37 | Fedorageek920 | i have no idea. |
| 19:09:45 | Fedorageek920 | how do i un-set it? |
| 19:09:46 | stripwax | e.g. if I change #include "getopt.c" to #include "getopt.xyz" I can still build ipod_fw on cygwin on windows .. |
| 19:10:03 | Fedorageek920 | right. |
| 19:10:21 | Fedorageek920 | is it possible to un-set it? |
| 19:12:16 | linuxstb | Fedorageek920: Just do "svn update", then re-run ../tools/configure and it won't attempt to build ipod_fw any more. |
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| 19:12:31 | Fedorageek920 | right |
| 19:12:39 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - are you using cygwin bash to compile or mingw shell? |
| 19:12:48 | Fedorageek920 | cygwin bash |
| 19:13:40 | stripwax | at a guess you might have some -mno-cygwin options set in your gcc opts |
| 19:13:56 | Fedorageek920 | how can I change those? |
| 19:14:06 | stripwax | Flamingo - are you up and running rockbox ok now? |
| 19:14:21 | Flamingo | Still copying the files |
| 19:14:27 | Flamingo | Replacing* |
| 19:14:33 | Flamingo | 3 minutes left |
| 19:14:45 | stripwax | wow, that's slow |
| 19:14:57 | Flamingo | Indeed |
| 19:15:04 | Fedorageek920 | usb 1.1 i guess |
| 19:15:34 | Flamingo | not really |
| 19:15:55 | Hilikus | does anyone here use the Contact plugin? |
| 19:17:36 | Fedorageek920 | woo! it's compiling! |
| 19:17:46 | linuxstb | There's a Contact plugin? |
| 19:18:05 | Fedorageek920 | I've never seen it... |
| 19:18:11 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - can you post the output of the shell command 'set' to pastebin please? |
| 19:18:40 | Fedorageek920 | sure, just a sec... |
| 19:20:00 | Flamingo | IT WORKS \m/ |
| 19:20:36 | Fedorageek920 | here: |
| 19:20:51 | Fedorageek920 | !::='::\' |
| 19:20:53 | Fedorageek920 | !C:='C:\cygwin\bin' |
| 19:20:54 | Fedorageek920 | ALLUSERSPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS' |
| 19:20:56 | Fedorageek920 | APPDATA='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB\Application Data' |
| 19:20:59 | Fedorageek920 | BASH=/usr/bin/bash |
| 19:21:01 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_ARGC=() |
| 19:21:03 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_ARGV=() |
| 19:21:03 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - STOP |
| 19:21:04 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_LINENO=() |
| 19:21:06 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_SOURCE=() |
| 19:21:08 | stripwax | STOP NOW! |
| 19:21:08 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="3" [1]="2" [2]="33" [3]="18" [4]="release" [5]="i686-pc-cygwin") |
| 19:21:10 | Fedorageek920 | BASH_VERSION='3.2.33(18)-release' |
| 19:21:11 | Fedorageek920 | CLIENTNAME=Console |
| 19:21:13 | Fedorageek920 | COMMONPROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files\Common Files' |
| 19:21:14 | Fedorageek920 | COMPUTERNAME=DILLON |
| 19:21:16 | Fedorageek920 | COMSPEC='C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe' |
| 19:21:18 | Fedorageek920 | CVS_RSH=/bin/ssh |
| 19:21:20 | Fedorageek920 | DIRSTACK=() |
| 19:21:20 | stripwax | CAN YOU STOP IMMEDIATELY |
| 19:21:21 | Fedorageek920 | EUID=400 |
| 19:21:23 | Fedorageek920 | FP_NO_HOST_CHECK=NO |
| 19:21:25 | Fedorageek920 | GROUPS=() |
| 19:21:27 | Fedorageek920 | HISTFILE='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/.bash_history' |
| 19:21:29 | Fedorageek920 | HISTFILESIZE=500 |
| 19:21:31 | Fedorageek920 | HISTSIZE=500 |
| 19:21:33 | Fedorageek920 | HOME='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB' |
| 19:21:34 | Fedorageek920 | HOMEDRIVE=C: |
| 19:21:36 | Fedorageek920 | HOMEPATH='\Documents and Settings\DillonB' |
| 19:21:38 | Fedorageek920 | HOSTNAME=dillon |
| 19:21:39 | Fedorageek920 | HOSTTYPE=i686 |
| 19:21:41 | Fedorageek920 | IFS=$' \t\n' |
| 19:21:42 | Fedorageek920 | INFOPATH=/usr/local/info:/usr/share/info:/usr/info: |
| 19:21:44 | Fedorageek920 | LOGONSERVER='\\DILLON' |
| 19:21:46 | Fedorageek920 | MACHTYPE=i686-pc-cygwin |
| 19:21:47 | Fedorageek920 | MAILCHECK=60 |
| 19:21:49 | Fedorageek920 | MAKE_MODE=unix |
| 19:21:51 | Fedorageek920 | MANPATH=/usr/local/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/man::/usr/ssl/man |
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| 19:21:52 | Fedorageek920 | NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=1 |
| 19:21:54 | Fedorageek920 | OLDPWD=/usr/bin |
| 19:21:56 | Fedorageek920 | OPTERR=1 |
| 19:21:58 | Fedorageek920 | OPTIND=1 |
| 19:22:00 | Fedorageek920 | OS=Windows_NT |
| 19:22:02 | Fedorageek920 | OSTYPE=cygwin |
| 19:22:04 | Fedorageek920 | PATH='/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v1.1.4322/:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Borland/BDS/4.0/Bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB/My Documents/Borland Studio Projects/Bpl:/usr/lib/lapack' |
| 19:22:09 | Fedorageek920 | PATHEXT='.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH' |
| 19:22:10 | perplexity | I'd guess you are new at this then Fedorageek920 ?? ;) |
| 19:22:11 | Fedorageek920 | PIPESTATUS=([0]="0") |
| 19:22:13 | Fedorageek920 | PPID=1 |
| 19:22:15 | Fedorageek920 | PRINTER= |
| 19:22:17 | Fedorageek920 | PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86 |
| 19:22:19 | Fedorageek920 | PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER='x86 Family 15 Model 0 Stepping 7, GenuineIntel' |
| 19:22:21 | Fedorageek920 | PROCESSOR_LEVEL=15 |
| 19:22:23 | Fedorageek920 | PROCESSOR_REVISION=0007 |
| 19:22:25 | Fedorageek920 | PROGRAMFILES='C:\Program Files' |
| 19:22:27 | Fedorageek920 | PROMPT='$P$G' |
| 19:22:29 | Fedorageek920 | PS1='\[\e]0;\w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' |
| 19:22:31 | Fedorageek920 | PS2='> ' |
| 19:22:32 | Slasheri | Fedorageek920: /flushbuffer |
| 19:22:33 | Fedorageek920 | PS4='+ ' |
| 19:22:35 | Fedorageek920 | PWD='/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/DillonB' |
| 19:22:37 | Fedorageek920 | SESSIONNAME=Console |
| 19:22:39 | Fedorageek920 | SHELL=/bin/sh |
| 19:22:41 | Fedorageek920 | SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:history:interactive-comments:monitor |
| 19:22:43 | Fedorageek920 | SHLVL=1 |
| 19:22:45 | Fedorageek920 | SYSTEMDRIVE=C: |
| 19:22:45 | Flamingo | How to get out of Rockpaint? |
| 19:22:47 | Fedorageek920 | SYSTEMROOT='C:\WINDOWS' |
| 19:22:49 | Fedorageek920 | TEMP=/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/DillonB/LOCALS~1/Temp |
| 19:22:51 | Fedorageek920 | TERM=cygwin |
| 19:22:53 | Fedorageek920 | TEXDOCVIEW_dvi='cygstart %s' |
| 19:22:55 | Fedorageek920 | TEXDOCVIEW_html='cygstart %s' |
| 19:22:57 | Fedorageek920 | TEXDOCVIEW_pdf='cygstart %s' |
| 19:22:58 | idnar | oh dear |
| 19:22:59 | Fedorageek920 | TEXDOCVIEW_ps='cygstart %s' |
| 19:23:01 | Fedorageek920 | TEXDOCVIEW_txt='cygstart %s' |
| 19:23:03 | Fedorageek920 | TMP=/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/DillonB/LOCALS~1/Temp |
| 19:23:05 | Fedorageek920 | UID=400 |
| 19:23:06 | Flamingo | Nevermind |
| 19:23:07 | Fedorageek920 | USER=DillonB |
| 19:23:09 | Fedorageek920 | USERDOMAIN=DILLON |
| 19:23:11 | Fedorageek920 | USERNAME=DillonB |
| 19:23:13 | Fedorageek920 | USERPROFILE='C:\Documents and Settings\DillonB' |
| 19:23:15 | Fedorageek920 | WINDIR='C:\WINDOWS' |
| 19:23:17 | Fedorageek920 | _=set |
| 19:23:19 | Fedorageek920 | f= |
| 19:23:21 | Fedorageek920 | you asked me to post set... |
| 19:23:30 | Domonoky | on |
| 19:23:31 | stripwax | to *pastebin* |
| 19:23:31 | linuxstb | No, he asked you to post it to pastebin... |
| 19:23:39 | Domonoky | in a pastebin !! |
| 19:23:44 | Fedorageek920 | what is pastebin... |
| 19:23:56 | linuxstb | http://pastebin.ca (for example) |
| 19:24:01 | stripwax | could have asked before pasting to irc .. ! |
| 19:24:05 | perplexity | hahahahaha |
| 19:24:07 | idnar | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 19:24:27 | perplexity | You're not the first, and you won't be the last.. welcome to the paste-too-much club |
| 19:24:37 | Fedorageek920 | sorry |
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| 19:25:36 | Fedorageek920 | http://rafb.net/p/arjv8263.html |
| 19:25:50 | Fedorageek920 | better? |
| 19:26:09 | Flamingo | I'm using iPodlinux |
| 19:26:16 | Flamingo | And I installed rockbox |
| 19:26:31 | Flamingo | How to switch between those two? ;__; |
| 19:26:57 | Fedorageek920 | ipl loader 2 |
| 19:27:06 | Flamingo | How to install it? |
| 19:27:30 | Fedorageek920 | it's kind of hard... what ipod do you have? |
| 19:27:39 | Flamingo | Nano first gen |
| 19:27:51 | Fedorageek920 | same as me. let me find the url |
| 19:29:16 | Fedorageek920 | got it: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader2 |
| 19:30:21 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - well, I don't see any unusual gcc flags in there .. so actually I'm still at a loss to explain why your build thinks it needs to define __WIN32__ |
| 19:30:45 | Fedorageek920 | wierd |
| 19:32:21 | Flamingo | How to install loader2 on Windows? |
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| 19:33:10 | Fedorageek920 | you have ipodpatcher.exe? |
| 19:33:13 | stripwax | Flamingo/Fedorageek920 - note that questions regarding ipl loader and ipodlinux in general are off topic here.. |
| 19:33:28 | Flamingo | I do |
| 19:33:36 | Flamingo | ;___; |
| 19:33:45 | Fedorageek920 | whoops |
| 19:34:01 | * | BigBambi sighs at all the crap in the logs |
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| 19:35:05 | Fedorageek920 | there's instructions on the page. |
| 19:36:16 | Flamingo | Hmmmmmm... |
| 19:36:28 | Flamingo | How to uninstall Rockbox? |
| 19:36:42 | BigBambi | Look in the manual |
| 19:36:51 | BigBambi | It has uninstall instructions |
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| 19:43:37 | keanu | j0tt, around? |
| 19:45:36 | Fedorageek920 | oop, still got a compile error: |
| 19:45:38 | Fedorageek920 | cpp0: config.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:45:43 | Fedorageek920 | create sysfont.h |
| 19:45:45 | Fedorageek920 | Header parsed |
| 19:45:47 | Fedorageek920 | Cant create /rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.c |
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| 19:56:53 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - config.h should exist. |
| 19:57:07 | stripwax | you ran ../tools/configure and then make, both from your build directory? |
| 19:57:46 | Fedorageek920 | yes i did |
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| 19:58:36 | Fedorageek920 | i am building ipod nano normal build just so you know. |
| 19:59:21 | stripwax | does ../firmware/export/config.h exist? |
| 19:59:37 | stripwax | oh. type 'which make' |
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| 20:00:27 | Hilikus | does anyone use rockcalendar or Contacts? |
| 20:01:15 | Fedorageek920 | It does. once this build attempt is done I'll do the which make thing. |
| 20:01:28 | stripwax | I thought you said the compilation already failed? |
| 20:01:29 | markun | Hilikus: I don't. Why do you ask? |
| 20:01:52 | Fedorageek920 | I keep trying. /usr/bin/make |
| 20:01:54 | Hilikus | i would like to know if any of those have a chance of being comitted |
| 20:02:16 | stripwax | ok |
| 20:02:23 | Hilikus | and i read that rockcalendar is not inculded cause apparently rockbox already has a calendar, but i cant find it |
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| 20:03:11 | BigBambi | Hilikus: What FS number? |
| 20:03:37 | Hilikus | whats FS? to me FS is file system |
| 20:03:44 | BigBambi | Flyspray |
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| 20:04:00 | markun | Hilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
| 20:04:00 | Hilikus | FS #4760 |
| 20:04:09 | BigBambi | See the FS there? :) |
| 20:04:16 | Fedorageek920 | should i move config.h from ../firmware/export to build dir? |
| 20:04:20 | stripwax | no |
| 20:04:30 | Hilikus | and |
| 20:04:31 | Hilikus | FS #4728 |
| 20:04:34 | Fedorageek920 | what should i do, then? |
| 20:04:45 | Hilikus | BigBambi yes, i noticed that :) |
| 20:05:38 | stripwax | Fedorageek920 - not sure, unfortunately. At a guess it doesn't seem like your cygwin build environment is set up correctly, but that could be a red herring. |
| 20:05:59 | stripwax | What was make building when you got the missing config.h error? |
| 20:06:06 | stripwax | i.e. what was it doing before that |
| 20:06:29 | stripwax | actually I have to head out so I won't be able to answer .. |
| 20:06:37 | * | stripwax will be back later on .. |
| 20:07:02 | Fedorageek920 | make[1] 'bmp2rb' is up to date. |
| 20:07:40 | markun | Slasheri: there? |
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| 20:18:52 | Hilikus | can you start playing an album from pictureFlow? |
| 20:25:54 | BigBambi | not yet |
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| 20:34:39 | Hilikus | its looking awesome |
| 20:34:56 | Hilikus | i dont like the fact that it shows albums that dont have cover art |
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| 20:40:41 | Alonea | ok, the text viewer goes wonky sometimes. to describe it, after a while (these are really long text files) of scrolling it jumps back a few pages and if you scroll back down as soon as you get to the part where it jumped, it jumps back again to the exact part. Now, if you quit and go back, the file has been saved after the part where it jumped. |
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| 20:55:53 | BigBambi | : You need to change the usb mode |
| 20:55:56 | bertrik | did you set usb mode to MSC? |
| 20:56:03 | BigBambi | put in in msc |
| 20:57:28 | BigBambi | the player |
| 20:58:20 | BigBambi | : This is in the manual.... |
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| 21:02:48 | BigBambi | not to worry |
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| 21:04:46 | Hilikus | hey im trying to build a sim for windows under linux |
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| 21:04:58 | Hilikus | and im getting |
| 21:04:59 | Hilikus | *** Your compiler (gcc) does not produce Win32 executables! |
| 21:05:32 | BigBambi | Hilikus: You need a compiler capable of producing windows executables |
| 21:05:39 | Hilikus | what compiler should i use |
| 21:06:12 | Hilikus | port? i want to run the compiler in linux |
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| 21:06:45 | bluebrother | then you need to have a cross compiler installed |
| 21:08:02 | Hilikus | thanks |
| 21:08:09 | bluebrother | Domonoky: how does creating voice files in rbutil work? Doesn't the process require knowledge of the features of the build? |
| 21:09:14 | bluebrother | Hilikus: usually the cross compiler gets the target as prefix |
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| 21:10:11 | Domonoky | bluebrother: the features are now in the rockbox-info.txt |
| 21:10:41 | Domonoky | and Bagder built a genlang.cgi to parse the lang files, so rbutil doesnt need them.. |
| 21:10:43 | bluebrother | ah ... |
| 21:11:02 | bluebrother | so you can retrieve a list of strings using that cgi? |
| 21:11:47 | Domonoky | you give target, revision and features and lang to the script, and get the output of genlang -o (ie a list with the ids and the voice entry) |
| 21:12:04 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 21:12:19 | Domonoky | yup.. :-) |
| 21:12:52 | bluebrother | maybe the target language should default to the language rbutil is using ;-) |
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| 21:13:10 | Domonoky | there is a dropdown, you can choose... |
| 21:13:33 | Domonoky | but good defaults arnt bad.. also for the language config of the sapi script.. |
| 21:13:44 | bluebrother | yep, but it doesn't have a sensible default. And the list seems to be unsorted. |
| 21:14:14 | Domonoky | i just included a list of all languages.. sorting wouldnt be bad... :-) |
| 21:14:25 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
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| 21:14:38 | Domonoky | but i just wanted it working, polishing can come later.. :-) |
| 21:14:43 | bluebrother | it's really annoying to be cut from upstream :( |
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| 21:15:09 | bluebrother | indeed. Let's see if I still recognize the code in a couple of weeks |
| 21:15:17 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 21:23:37 | chrism583 | This may belong on the ipodlinux channel but I've installed that and rockbox without it's bootloader. Does anyone know how to make rockbox appear on IPL's bootloader? |
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| 21:25:37 | BigBambi | chrism583: off topic I'm afraid |
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| 21:31:14 | bistouri | hi, i'd like to know if a bug in Rockbox could lead to unwanted "chmod style", converting a directory to a file impossible to open (as /music to music on Sansa e200) ? |
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| 21:32:32 | bistouri | The owner say that OF firmmware still can read music but not Rockbox nor Windows |
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| 21:35:36 | bertrik | bistouri: I never experienced rocking doing something like that on my sansa e200. However the OF does some weird stuff, making the music directory hidden for example |
| 21:35:44 | bertrik | s/rocking/rockbox |
| 21:36:16 | BigBambi | bistouri: FAT32 doesn't support file or directory permissions |
| 21:36:50 | BigBambi | But now I reread I see what you mean |
| 21:37:03 | BigBambi | But if at least the OF can read it, this can't be the case |
| 21:37:06 | DerPapst | and chmod doesn't convert directories into files. |
| 21:37:23 | DerPapst | maybe the filesystem is corrupt or the flash is broken |
| 21:37:43 | bluebrother^ | try chkdsk /f on windows (or fsck.vfat) |
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| 21:38:09 | BigBambi | As bertrik says, are you sure it isn't just hidden? The OF hides the music folder, and neither rockbox nor windows will see it by default if it is hidden. You need to turn on view hidden files in windows, and set rockbox to view all files, not just supported |
| 21:38:10 | bistouri | you suppose too he has a borken corrupted file system ? |
| 21:39:07 | * | bluebrother^ always forgets what a vanilla windows hides from the user |
| 21:39:29 | bistouri | htanks for helps, recovery programs didn't managed to repair files and he applied a sansa.fmt method |
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| 22:44:47 | amiconn | That "interesting tidbit" about PP5002 linked from PortalPlayer was proven wrong months ago |
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| 22:45:28 | amiconn | Rockbox plays ogg nicely on 1st..3rd Gen ipods since the clock setup for PP5002 was fixed |
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| 22:52:06 | * | n1s bets hell will freeze before apple supports more codecs (that they didn't come up with themselves) in the ipods... |
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| 22:58:57 | soap | are you under the impression they came up with AAc, n1s? |
| 22:59:26 | n1s | i was more thinking of alac... but no |
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| 23:12:46 | * | jhMikeS reads the logs concerning some wondering about scheduler code |
| 23:13:02 | soap | Llorean, my Viewports builds are "unsupported" - but only have the one patch - make people go to flyspray or not? |
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| 23:19:48 | amiconn | *grrrmm |
| 23:19:54 | amiconn | gcc is braindead |
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| 23:21:00 | amiconn | I did a test in the greylib as a preparation for optional iram usage in the greylib: making _grey_info a pointer to a struct _grey_info |
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| 23:21:39 | jhMikeS | gcc breaks on it? |
| 23:21:40 | amiconn | Just that single change dropped frame rate on recorder from 24.5 fps to 19.2 fps (fullscreen grey_ub_gray_bitmap()) |
| 23:22:20 | amiconn | Then I put the pointer into a local variable of that function, bringing frame rate back up to 24.3 fps |
| 23:22:43 | jhMikeS | I was thinking you'd just provide the actual static definition of _gray_info yourself and keep the non-pointer syntax |
| 23:23:50 | amiconn | There would be a problem |
| 23:24:05 | amiconn | The name would then have to be fixed |
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| 23:25:03 | jhMikeS | or cheat a little with a macro. GRAY_INFO_DECLARE/GRAY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM or the like :) |
| 23:25:17 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:25:39 | amiconn | All the functions in grey_*.c use _grey_info.<member> right now |
| 23:25:52 | amiconn | How would a macro be able to change that? |
| 23:26:12 | jhMikeS | #define GREY_INFO_DECLARE struct _grey_info and #define GREY_INFO_DECLARE_IRAM struct _grey_info IBSS_ATTR |
| 23:26:35 | amiconn | hmm.... |
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| 23:26:51 | jhMikeS | of course I messed up the syntax there but I think it gets the idea accross |
| 23:27:08 | Alonea | hey guys |
| 23:27:23 | Alonea | any ideas on why the text viewer is wonky now? |
| 23:27:27 | amiconn | Then every plugin using the greylib would have to do that... but it would keep the lib code itself the same |
| 23:27:54 | jhMikeS | yeah, just a one-liner do it's not too troublesome |
| 23:28:45 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:29:43 | amiconn | It just struck me that the api pointer could be part of the _grey_info struct |
| 23:30:30 | amiconn | Doing so could save some extra accesses depending on architecture |
| 23:31:24 | saratoga | jhMikeS: i wanted to ask you about the possibility of running the WPS on the COP |
| 23:31:53 | saratoga | theres been some interest in that lately now that Buschel wants to reduce the default clock rate on PP further in order to save power in MPC/FLAC and other low CPU codecs |
| 23:32:22 | amiconn | I don't think that lowering the default clock further would be a good idea |
| 23:32:44 | amiconn | That is, unless we introduce multiple boost levels, which would increase complexity a lot |
| 23:33:03 | amiconn | Even 30MHz are alreay pretty low for the UI on colour targets |
| 23:33:37 | Bagder | boosting for interaction is probably a good idea anyway |
| 23:33:38 | soap | in Buschel's FS entry he muses over the idea of boosting on UI interaction. |
| 23:33:38 | n1s | amiconn: I think he wants to implement some kind of boosting when the ui is active |
| 23:33:47 | soap | tripple jynx. |
| 23:33:53 | soap | triple even |
| 23:33:56 | amiconn | A full boost would be overkill imo |
| 23:33:58 | Bagder | it's actually a good idea, Buschel's ideas or not |
| 23:33:59 | jhMikeS | saratoga: could work but tricky with things the way they are |
| 23:34:44 | amiconn | The cop shouldn't do any ui stuff imho |
| 23:35:01 | amiconn | The main thread runs on the cpu, and that's where the wps lives |
| 23:35:35 | saratoga | the last time i proposed boosting on button press, a lot of people felt that using the COP to spread out the CPU load was a better idea |
| 23:36:13 | amiconn | Boosting on button press might waste a lot of power, depending on unit usage |
| 23:36:16 | jhMikeS | the problems with doing that really crop up from the way input is handled |
| 23:36:56 | Bagder | amiconn: of course, but so does backlight and disk spinups and what not |
| 23:37:05 | amiconn | I think that it would make most sense to offload audio decoding onto the cop |
| 23:37:11 | Bagder | it would still make much snappier ui |
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| 23:37:33 | Bagder | boosting would work on coldfire targets too... |
| 23:37:38 | amiconn | The ui is very snappy atm, except on ipod video. And that's something that can be fixed |
| 23:37:42 | jhMikeS | audio decoding on COP does make the most sense then the CPU is pretty free for plugins |
| 23:38:04 | Bagder | amiconn: "people" do complain about laggy ui |
| 23:38:13 | amiconn | On what target(s)? |
| 23:38:19 | Bagder | pp ones |
| 23:38:21 | Bagder | like the sansas |
| 23:39:00 | jhMikeS | scolling alot tends to drain the pcm buffer |
| 23:39:18 | saratoga | the sansa's UI seems to lag for a moment when you first press the buttons i've noticed |
| 23:39:46 | amiconn | As I already said, the 16 bit mono bitmap drawing is not really optimised |
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| 23:41:13 | * | n1s makes his first commit for the year :) |
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| 23:43:42 | saratoga | why does the PP5003 product brief say it has a "vector floating point unit" |
| 23:45:06 | jhMikeS | 5003 = 5002+FPU? |
| 23:45:25 | Bagder | the 5003 is said to be almost a 5020 |
| 23:46:02 | saratoga | odd that they dropped that in subsequent models |
| 23:46:10 | saratoga | assuming its not a mistake in the brief |
| 23:46:49 | jhMikeS | whoever wrote it probably had no chip docs :p |
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| 23:48:27 | telliott | I have a quick question about my Archos V1 recorder. |
| 23:49:18 | Domonoky_ | telliott: then ask.. |
| 23:49:47 | telliott | Anyone have a problem where rockbos isn't scanning folders. I was stuck in a subfolder. |
| 23:50:21 | telliott | I could only go back to the main menu. |
| 23:51:08 | telliott | I had to view the current playlist to "break out" |
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| 23:51:55 | amiconn | What build are you using? |
| 23:52:09 | amiconn | This sounds like an old bug |
| 23:52:54 | telliott | I just upgraded a few minutes ago. It may have been a side affect of flashing the .ucl |
| 23:54:03 | telliott | I love that I'm using the V1 long after I was "supposed" to toss it and upgrade. |
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| 23:56:58 | amiconn | Hmm. Maybe that old bug is back for some reason |
| 23:57:22 | amiconn | If it is, it should affect all targets, as the file browser isn't target dependent |
| 23:58:10 | telliott | It seems to be working now. |
| 23:58:48 | telliott | What hardware do you have, amiconn? |
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