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#rockbox log for 2008-01-13

00:00:23 Quit ompaul (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:00:39telliottamiconn, Which machine gets the most use?
00:01:38 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:02:02amiconnIriver "H180" (H140 upgraded to 80GB) and Ondio FM are my 2 most used ones, but I use almost all targets more or less often
00:03:38telliottI have a Sansa Clip (2 gig) I use at work. I wander if anyone is working on a Rockbox port for it. The default firmware isn't bad.
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00:04:09Bagdertelliott: that's a "sansa v2" architecture, and there's no real effort going on yet
00:04:36Bagdermostly because there aren't many interested who own such devices it seems
00:04:55saratogai don't think a v2 port will really take off until you can't get the V1s
00:05:20telliottIt does one thing I've never seen another mp3 player do. Scanning in reverse will scan past the beginning of the current track and into the end of the previous track.
00:05:28Bagderwe need a "proper" dev to get bored enough to buy a v2 and get going
00:05:49telliottTrue. We depend on those guys.
00:06:23*amiconn exaggerated a little
00:06:51amiconnOne of my 12 targets doesn't run rockbox yet, but I acquired it for the purpose of porting rockbox
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00:07:27amiconnTo compensate, I have one other target here for testing which isn't mine ;)
00:08:19amiconnmarkun: Btw, to answer your question, I think I can make the greylib work on the M3
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00:10:11amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm, do I remember correctly that you wanted to look into libmpeg2 whether you can make it skip chroma decoding?
00:10:33telliottThe default Sansa firmware isn't bad.
00:10:57Bagdertelliott: its not particularly grand either imho
00:11:33telliottThe default Archos firmware truely sucks. I remember at one time, they were wanting to include Rockbox on the CD.
00:11:50amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, _grey_info in IRAM speeds up grey_ub_gray_Bitmap by 50% on cf :)
00:13:10jhMikeS50%? not bad at all. :)
00:13:12amiconnSome asm could make it even faster (making use of burst mode - it's a bit tricky but possible)
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00:14:08jhMikeSyes, I was going to look into that. It needs to still acknowledge chroma and read over it.
00:15:19markunamiconn: great. Do you have an m3?
00:15:22amiconn19.1->28.5 fps (H180, 45MHz); 74->109.5 fps (124MHz)
00:15:47amiconnmarkun: Yes. That's my current not-yet-rockbox target
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00:16:55amiconnIn theory the greylib could also work on the iriver remote (that one's easy, speed wise) as well as the other iaudios (same remote as the M3), but there are some fundamental problems
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00:17:41amiconnFirst, you can't run 2 greylibs at once because the LCDs most likely have different refresh rates, and unfortunately there is only one user timer
00:18:12amiconnSecond, 2 greylib isrs active at a time will interfere, and might even overload the cpu
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00:29:09bwanannaare there any dev's available
00:29:46Domonoky_for rent or sale ? :-)
00:30:28bwanannafor talk mostly
00:30:32bwanannaor a question
00:30:56Domonoky_just ask your question...if somebody can help they will do..
00:31:48bwanannai was wondering why the diff at the bottom of this page hasn't been comitted into source http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF
00:33:40amiconnBecause it would waste power with non-microdrives
00:33:44Domonoky_bwananna: this patch disables the ata sleep command, it think you only want this when you mod your player..
00:33:55amiconnI mean with non-cf
00:34:21bwanannaok understood
00:35:05*amiconn wonders whether someone with a nano checked whether the nano's flash properly reports that it doesn't support the sleep command
00:35:16amiconn(in the identify block)
00:35:47amiconnIn case it does, it might be a good idea to check the identify info to decide dynamically whether to send the sleep command or not
00:36:00bwanannaanother question then is assuming you have a CF which properly supports "TrueIDE" sleep and whatnot, would this diff also cause some negative, like increased power consumption
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00:36:17amiconnThen the ata driver wouldn't need modification. Even the #ifdef for nano could go away
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00:37:31bwanannaor do proper cf cards just ignore the sleep command
00:37:48amiconncf cards do auto sleep
00:38:43IzzehOcan someone help me out with some vmware questions?
00:39:11krazykitIzzehO, only if you ask the question
00:39:31IzzehOwell i've got a few and they go off topic so would have rathered pm someone
00:39:42BigBambiSo don't ask the off topic ones
00:39:51BigBambiAnd just ask the on topic ones
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00:40:25IzzehOheh.. ok lets try that then.. is it possible to access large (10+gb) files in the rockbox vmware?
00:40:37T-Machey iam used of using rockbox but i just updated to the new build "much faster btw its great" but my batterie cap. is only limited to 300Ma - 800Ma it used to have the 3200Ma what happend?
00:41:00BigBambiT-Mac: That is irrelevant
00:41:09T-MacIzzeh0: i was never able to put larger files then 4 gb
00:41:11bwanannaamiconn: would checking the idnetity info dynamically elminiate my problem since i have a CF card
00:41:22amiconnbwananna: yes
00:41:23T-Macbigbambi: irrelevant?
00:41:27BigBambiT-Mac: It is just for the amount of time left calculation, which on most players is off anyway
00:41:31IzzehOso there is no way for samba to make view the windows shared files?
00:41:43BigBambiT-Mac: It has no effect on how long the player lasts etc.
00:41:49BigBambiT-Mac: Which player?
00:41:54amiconnT-Mac: Sure you can't put larger files than 4 GB on - FAT32 doesn't support larger file sizes
00:42:05bwanannaamiconn: i don't suppose you're in a position to easily do that
00:42:20T-Macamicon: ive tried to throw on a dvd iso and it never wanted to take it.... :(
00:42:25amiconnbwananna: I can't test since I don't have a nano.
00:42:35bwanannai have a mini i can test on
00:42:42T-Macbigbambi : thanks :) so setting the limit to 300 just takes longer to charge?
00:42:51IzzehOdamnit.. looks like im reformatting a hard drive and installing linux then - sigh..
00:42:51BigBambiNo
00:42:53bwanannaamiconn: rather i can test for you
00:42:57T-Macbigbambi: but wwill not effect the lengh of time my player will play
00:42:58amiconnI have a mini too, but with the standard microdrive
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00:43:13BigBambiT-Mac: The ONLY thing it affects is the run time estimation - i.e. 10 hours 20 left
00:43:21amiconnT-Mac: What target are you talking about?
00:43:40IzzehOlol.. yeah.. latest svn has been saying my 2 year old ipod has a battery life of 43 hours..
00:43:47amiconnOn most targets, the mAh setting just affects the runtime calculation, not the actual runtime
00:44:01BigBambiI may have overlooked archos here :)
00:44:23T-Macamiconn: okay thanks :)
00:44:34T-Macbigbambi: thanks to you too :)
00:44:43BigBambino probs
00:45:02BigBambiT-Mac: Which player?
00:45:07T-Macamiconn : the target? i used a 30 gig video gen 5 ipod
00:45:15IzzehOoh yeah.. thanks for the comfirmation.. I'm trying to remember the other question, but drawing a blank
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00:45:38BigBambiT-Mac: It affects nothing on that player other than runtime calc, which I don't think is calibrated anyway
00:45:40amiconnThe 30GB ipod 5th gen has a 400mAh battery afaik
00:46:01amiconnIf you were able to set 3200mAh with an older rockbox version, that was a bug that is now fixed
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00:46:14T-Macamiconn: excellent :)
00:46:16amiconnThe 60/80GB models have 600mAh
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00:47:45IzzehOwhats with this new usb disk mode on latest builds?
00:48:05krazykitIzzehO, the item on the MajorChanges wiki page explains it
00:48:12BigBambiIzzehO: The non-hardware usb targets now do proper usb charging
00:48:17IzzehOmines only been going into disk mode 1/10 times i connect.. and popping up with the driver install (which i noticed mentioned..) every other time
00:48:34BigBambiUSB mass storage isn't complete yet
00:48:44BigBambiAs the front page says, ignore the driver popup
00:49:01bwanannacould someone do me a favor and build the latest rockbox for me with the following diff applied and send it to me (i do not have a suitable development enviroment) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MiniCF?rev=2;filename=minicf.diff
00:49:13IzzehOyeah ok so any set way to put it into disk mode? or the wiki handle that?
00:49:17bwanannabuilt for a second generation mini
00:49:22BigBambiIzzehO: Use the OF or disk mode to transfer files
00:49:28BigBambiIzzehO: That is in the manual
00:49:53IzzehOOF?
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00:51:12IzzehOhey bwananna wat patch is it? my ie is screwed so ill just browse to it and try for u
00:51:34BigBambiIzzehO: OF = original firmware
00:51:46BigBambiIzzehO: proper English please
00:52:01IzzehOwoops.. sorry.. slipped.
00:52:06BigBambi:)
00:52:10bwanannaIzzehO: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF
00:52:18bwanannaIzzehO: the one at the bottom of the page
00:52:21IzzehOand yeah I'm away of that, been using rockbox for a year now.
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00:52:36IzzehOI'm saying after latest few builds it hasn't been going into disk mode
00:52:52BigBambiYes, you need to do it manually for the time being
00:53:15IzzehOand I read the discussion a couple of months ago onto changing the behaviour of it.. but menu holding, etc doesn't seem to produce any constants
00:53:16amiconnSome builds do reboot properly, some don't
00:53:23IzzehOok fair enough.
00:53:25BigBambiah, I didn't know that
00:53:31BigBambiI thought they all didn't
00:53:42IzzehOyeah thats what confused me is that it works 1/10 times
00:53:48amiconnThat bug has been around ever since usb detection was improved, far earlier than the us stack
00:53:49IzzehOand there was no pattern to it
00:54:05amiconns/us/usb/
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00:54:10BigBambisoap: Double digit? wow!
00:55:01soapWith an early version of the patch I went from 65% of stock runtime to 75% of stock runtime.
00:55:10BigBambiexcellent
00:55:58soap77% even
00:56:08IzzehObah im sorry bwananna it just ain't my day - You'll have to ask someone else..
00:56:22soappreliminary testing indicates we might be able to beat Sansa stock.
00:56:40IzzehOgetting lang_dictionaries error with just the default source..
00:56:45BigBambiThat would be ace
00:56:59bwanannaIzzehO: that's cool, thanks for trying
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01:00:24IzzehOanyone know of any further rockbox documentation for vmware?
01:00:24bwanannai think i need food
01:01:02krazykitIzzehO, anything related to rockbox would be on whatever wiki page is related to the vmware image. maybe search in the forums?
01:01:27IzzehOyeah I'll give it a shot..
01:03:56IzzehOsigh.. constant database errors when searching
01:05:45T-Macwhat was that about getting larger files then 10gb on your ipod? like i said i tried 4.5 gig iso once "never tried it again" it didnt work
01:06:00T-Maci usualy rar the iso into parts now
01:06:41BigBambiT-Mac: The FAT32 filesystem file size limit is 4GB
01:06:53IzzehOMe? no I was after accessing a 14gb file through vmware so I could convert it..
01:07:00*krazykit is pretty sure the limit is 2
01:07:32BigBambi4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#FAT32
01:07:38krazykitthough wikipedia has proven me wrong
01:07:39T-Macbigbambi: anyway of formating my ipod another way other then fat32? like ntfs?
01:07:52BigBambiT-Mac: Not if you want to use it as an iPod
01:08:04T-Macokay :)
01:08:10BigBambiyou can use HFS+ if you format it to work with a Mac, but then rockbox won't work
01:08:11IzzehOseems pretty ironic to mention wikipedia when that is what I'm trying to get =/
01:08:27T-Macill continue spliting it into parts
01:09:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:09:26IzzehOOk - "If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator" - search ain't working
01:10:02BigBambiIzzehO: Unfortunately there is only one person who is commonly around who can fix that
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01:12:51T-Macany files i could download to get the original firmware games to work on rockbox? or whatabout the new games in itunes? and torrents for those?
01:13:02n1sno
01:13:09BigBambiDo not ask how to obtain copyrighted material
01:13:11krazykitand no discussing that last item either
01:13:20soapT-Mac, read the IRC guidelines as mentioned in the channel topic.
01:13:28T-Macsorry :|
01:13:51T-Macfav game for rockbox has to be Super dominator tho ;)
01:14:12BigBambieh?
01:14:23T-MacSuperdom!
01:14:29BigBambiah
01:15:06IzzehOlol it's really buggy though and computer gives up randomly all the time
01:15:24BigBambiFeel free to submit a patch to improve it
01:15:53IzzehOlol like I'd ever master that :P
01:16:04T-Maccan you guys answer if it is even posible to get that copywrited meterial? dont tell me how... just confirm its posible? :P
01:16:11BigBambino
01:16:16BigBambiDo not ask
01:16:16T-Macokay ;)
01:16:18IzzehOno I don't believe it is
01:16:43krazykitrobotfindskitten is obviously the best rockbox game ;-)
01:16:52BigBambiHow is it a game?
01:16:55IzzehOthey suck anyway - try *buying* a similar game for gameboy and ripping it and putting it on
01:17:04*BigBambi doesn't get robotfindskitten :)
01:17:14BigBambiIzzehO: On topic please
01:17:59IzzehOLol sorry, uhm just curious - why are so many of the completed game patches not added to the current builds?
01:18:06BigBambiMany reasons
01:18:22BigBambiThey are not coded correctly, they do not run on all targets, ...
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01:18:40BigBambiA developer hasn't had time to review them
01:19:23IzzehOMmm ok.
01:21:02n1sOr no developer who has the time finds them interesting...
01:21:58*n1s goes to bed, leaving for one week skiing trip tomorrow :D
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01:22:10BigBambihave fun :)
01:22:11BigBambitoo late
01:24:11IzzehOcan vmware actually access a connected ipod? or is that just for show?
01:24:42krazykitIzzehO, it should be able to if you pass on the USB connection to the guest operating system
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01:24:53krazykitbut you're straying offtopic...
01:26:08IzzehOyeah I'm struggling to see what is ontopic though
01:26:29IzzehOconsidering it seems to be rockbox image related for the vmware, and there is minimal documentation in the wiki
01:26:46IzzehO...and the fact I guess I suck at linux - anyhow shutting up now..
01:27:04XavierGrIzzehO: what's your problem with the rockbox vmware image?
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01:28:31webguest83i'm having trouble building rockbox
01:28:35IzzehOSimply I suck at exploiting it.. never mind..
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01:28:57webguest83can anyone help? the problem is arm-elf-gcc is not in my path, i've had the problem before and I don't remember how to add it
01:29:45krazykithttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di
01:29:51XavierGrit should be something like PATH=$PATH:"where you put the arm-elf-gcc"
01:29:51polygonalIzzehO: still here? I think you should try a linux liveCD to convert the wiki - no need to install/boot linux on your harddrive
01:30:25krazykitwebguest83, it might be /usr/local/arm-elf/bin rather than the /opt one though
01:30:33IzzehOYeah I'm downloading one as we speak *Dial-up sucks*
01:30:35XavierGrwebguest83: have you built the arm crosscompiler? adding it to the path without building it first would be silly
01:30:36amiconnOr just add another virtual hdd to the virtual machine, large enough to do it
01:30:47soapwebguest83, easiest way is to add it to your .bashrc file (if applicable). As in PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/blah/foo/bar etc.
01:31:09IzzehOamiconn would that use ram though?
01:31:37amiconnNo, why?
01:31:38IzzehO..I mean wouldn't it be stored in the ram?
01:32:02IzzehOOk any chance I could get a bit more of a walkthrough with that?
01:32:17eigmaanyone know where the get_more handler is when playing mp3 files?
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01:33:17XavierGrIzzeh0: if you want to add another virtual hdd I suggest that you search google for it
01:34:24amiconnuhm
01:37:32scorcheanyone else want to hop on for another round of rockbox cloaks?
01:37:49krazykitcan users get them?
01:38:14scorchelowest level is "contributor" which requires name in the credits
01:38:50bwanannaanyone know of a good bootable linux distro with a development enviroment capeable of compiling rockbox?
01:38:54amiconnAre the levels documented somewhere?
01:39:15polygonalIzzehO: Also, instead of uncompress the xml dump you can pipe directly to xmlconv - then you will only have a 3G or so file to work with instead of 10G or more </offtopic>
01:39:17scorcheamiconn: i have a mail i sent to the swedes a while back, but i dont think so
01:39:24XavierGrschorche can I have one?
01:39:35krazykitbwananna, you'd need something that includes gcc and you'd need plenty of memory, but there's not one out of the box, i don't think.
01:39:56XavierGroops I meant scorche
01:39:58bwanannai really don't want to install a linux distro
01:40:04amiconnNo linux distro does include the cross compilers, you always need to build them yourself
01:40:07scorcheXavierGr: i forgot...did you have svn access?
01:40:25krazykitbwananna, read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. you can install cygwin which runs in windows.
01:40:25XavierGrscorche: nope just the contributor one that you mentioned
01:40:37bwanannacool thanks krazykit
01:40:46amiconnOr use the vmware image
01:40:47scorcheXavierGr: well, due to you being a moderator on the forum, you get staff :)
01:41:25XavierGrscorche: I nice, that was unexpected, I've almost forgot about that one :P
01:42:01XavierGrshame that I don't hang in the forum so much
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01:43:12scorcheamiconn: would you prefer it on a new page, IrcNicks, or IrcAdministration?
01:43:39XavierGrscorche: thank you very much
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01:45:07IzzehOpolygonal can you check the PM?
01:46:04polygonalno sorry
01:46:16IzzehO=/
01:47:09IzzehOBah I give up.. cyaz...
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02:11:37jimmyjamhello, I'm troubleshooting a broken ihp-120. I read some old logs from 2005 in which linusN gave some sdvie on testing the LTC3405. He said that I should find 1.8v on pin 3. although I do not know what pin 3 is I can only find 0.5v and 4v. is there anybody I could ask a few questions to?
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02:13:51markunjimmyjam: probably only LinusN can help you, but it's 2:13 (at night) right now
02:16:14XavierGrjimmyjam: LinusN probably meant pin3 of the LTC3405 chip
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02:17:21XavierGrPins are the little pads that stick out from chips and are soldered to the board (in case you don't know what a pin is)
02:17:50XavierGryou number pins from the little dot of the chip (if there is one)
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02:32:48Nico_PJdGordon: I've been working on the WPS code to make it generic
02:35:14JdGordoncool :)
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02:40:58Nico_Pit's a bit more complicated now since the buffers have to be out of the struct
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02:42:34JdGordonbut still managable?
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02:43:13Nico_Pyes it's ok I think
02:43:49Nico_Pwhat I'm not quite sure about is how to organize the data... e.g. I guess we don't want information about progressbar and AA in a statusbar :p
02:43:56JdGordoncool, ok ive been in bed all day so time to be social :O back in quite a few hours i think
02:44:07JdGordonno that sounds bad
02:44:09Nico_PI'll be in bed soon
02:44:41JdGordoncould be completly seperate that data from the parsed stuff?
02:44:47Nico_PI guess the only things we need are tokens, strings and bitmaps
02:45:09Nico_Pwell the parsing still needs to alter that data
02:45:10JdGordonnot even bitmaps
02:45:21Nico_Preally?
02:45:36JdGordonstick a void *data in the wps_data struct and let the user then change what that means
02:46:03JdGordonwell... the bitmap size would be different for each screen... so just have it as a pointer and set that on init
02:46:26Nico_Pyes that's what I was thinking
02:46:39JdGordonok great
02:46:39Nico_Pit's basically what I've done for the token data too
02:46:46JdGordonanyway, im off
02:46:56Nico_Pok, have fun ;)
02:47:02Nico_PI'm off to bed
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03:06:15Lloreansoap: Flyspray in my opinion too.
03:07:25soapthank you for the (perfectly timed) reply, Llorean. Hmm, there is a problem with 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen iPods not always working?
03:08:40soapYapper (in the forums) can't get my 1G/2G iPod viewport builds to work. I wonder if there is anything (or any version) I might have wrong. I let rockboxdev.sh build my cross-compilers - on 32bit OS - I have no other ideas.
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03:10:27Lloreansoap: Yes.
03:10:33LloreanThere's a very, very strange problem
03:10:48LloreanAs far as I know, every build for those has a unique chance of working or not.
03:11:06LloreanTo guarantee it works, you need to add nop statements somewhere until you get a build that tests as working.
03:11:17LloreanAnd, the only way to identify a working build, so far, is to try it on hardware.
03:11:52LloreanAt least, if I've followed the evolution of this problem properly. AFAIK both jhMikeS and amiconn have investigated it and come up mostly dry so far.
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03:36:27webguest64does anyone have the link to Bagders blog
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03:51:55soaphttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog IIRC
03:54:49eigmaawwwww http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/04/sound-on-mrobe-500/ :))
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05:47:42NonPlayerCharHey, I installed rockbox on a sansa e280, all of the music that was on it before the install was added to the music data base and shows up when I go to play it, however if I add any more, it doesn't recognize it under music database and cannot be found even by searching
05:48:02NonPlayerCharHow ever if I go to files I can find it and play it that way
05:49:26NonPlayerCharanyone?
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05:54:40Mouser_XHow would I go about setting up a build environment in Linux? I did it with cygwin, but I figured that Linux was different...
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06:00:19NonPlayerCharhm
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06:12:26bwanannaaww man
06:13:47bwanannai still get ata: -80 even when i compile with the patch at the bottom of this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF
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06:17:13bwanannaat least it shows the splash screen now
06:18:45NonPlayerCharokay I played around with some settings for the database and if I update and then intilize then reboot, it will load all the new songs but none of the old ones
06:19:04NonPlayerCharhmm
06:19:17bwanannaso can anyone tell me what "ATA error: -80" is?
06:21:00NonPlayerCharsorry mate
06:21:42NonPlayerCharah hah figured it out
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06:28:33bwanannai think they are all sleeping
06:30:47Mouser_XAt least, all the useful people are. Sorry I'm not much help.
06:40:19bwanannabut all the cool people are awake
06:40:21bwanannaheh
06:43:30Mouser_XI don't know about that... :P
06:43:52Mouser_X(I'm not so sure I'm completely awake...)
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07:38:13bwanannagoodbye till tomorrow, thanks people
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09:18:44JdGordonthere are never titles displayed on charcell in the lists right?
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09:44:11JdGordonhey linuxstb_
09:44:32linuxstb_Morning. How are things going?
09:44:45JdGordonnot too bad, just finishing up the list stuff
09:44:55JdGordonwould a viewport_copy() be ok to get the default vp?
09:45:34JdGordonI dont think being able to get a pointer to it from apps is a good idea
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09:48:32linuxstb_Why do you need it?
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09:49:09JdGordonto hopefully save a bit of space and instead of having to setup viewports for the list
09:49:33JdGordonalso, to copy all the colour settings
09:50:23linuxstb_But won't all that be user-customisable? i.e. present in global_settings or similar?
09:51:25JdGordonwe dont know yet... I want to just put it in without that yet, and then we can decide how far to take it
09:52:21JdGordonalso, I want to put the drawing code in apps/gui/bitmap/list.c and gui/charcell/list.c and keep the rest of the logic in gui/list.c... sound ok?
09:53:06linuxstb_If you think it's simpler. I don't know the list code that well.
09:53:49linuxstb_But I would have done it the other way around - work out what theming capabilities we want, and then implement them...
09:54:48JdGordonthe only thing not done is the different colours stuff... everything else I can tihnk of which could be themed is ready to go
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10:02:20J-23My Sansa c240 microSD card is read only :/
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10:11:35Robin0800could the svn revision be added to the front page?
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10:14:45*amiconn would be interested in test_fps results from an ipod 4th Gen greyscale or Mini 1st Gen
10:14:51amiconnWith latest svn of course
10:15:07J-23run emulator
10:15:11Robin0800at the moment to see if the current build is completely up to date you have to find the svn revision and look at the difference file
10:15:21linuxstb_J-23: There isn't an emulator...
10:15:57J-23rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-4Ggray-sim-w32.zip">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-4Ggray-sim-w32.zip ?
10:16:11amiconn_sim_ulator != _em_ulator
10:16:14J-23and rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-mini1G-sim-w32.zip">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-mini1G-sim-w32.zip ?
10:16:26linuxstb_Those are UI simulators - Rockbox compiled to run on your PC.
10:16:43csc`emulator emulates everything, including hardware. a simulator only gives you software experience of something
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10:17:40JdGordonamiconn: charcell never shows a title in the list right?
10:17:55amiconnHaha, of course not
10:18:05JdGordonjust double checking :)
10:18:30*csc` goes back to lurking until 3rd generation nanos are supported by rockbox
10:18:45amiconnhmm, now that you're asking, hafta check whether someone might have implemented such a weird thing...
10:18:58scorchecsc`: it was nice knowing you... ;)
10:19:01*JdGordon checks watch.....shouldnt be too long csc`
10:19:12JdGordon2013 maybe?
10:19:22csc`bah, ipod will be dead by then
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10:20:23csc`JdGordon: maybe ill get lucky and ipodlinux will support it :p
10:20:36JdGordonif they get it, we wont be far behind
10:20:42JdGordonand vice verca
10:21:09csc`i think last i checked either rockbox or ipl didnt support two or three models
10:21:15csc`mightve been one
10:21:41scorcheand last i checked, ipl development has been...well...
10:21:50linuxstb_Rockbox and IPL run on the same set of ipods
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10:22:06csc`oh well, i can still use the ui simulator cant i? :p
10:22:16*csc` converts to DS homebrew
10:22:18csc`tada?
10:22:20web-tazhello
10:22:25amiconnJdGordon: Umm, checking for your question uncovered a bug...
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10:22:36JdGordonamiconn: great :)
10:22:48amiconnThe 'Show path' setiing does exist on the player, but it has no effect...
10:23:11JdGordonthat would make sense... ok, easy to fix
10:23:27amiconnYeah, the setting should go
10:23:53amiconnAnd I wonder where the setting for menu titles is (on bitmap targets), or do we always show the title nowadays?
10:24:22web-taza little question: i want to patch again but i can't remember in which order the patches must be applied (multifont rightmargin, y margin, progressbar slider, customlist, costumline)
10:24:42web-tazi also never found sth where i could look after which patch needs which :-/
10:25:36JdGordonamiconn: titles are always shown in the menus if there is room
10:25:45amiconnah ok
10:25:53JdGordonis there tagcache on charcell?
10:26:35amiconnTagcache? You mean database ;) ... yes of course
10:26:54linuxstb_web-taz: Those patches are (I think) not being maintained any more. They're being adapted to work with Viewports (FS #8385). But in any case, you would need to ask the authors of those patches, we can't help you with anything apart from the official code.
10:27:15web-tazok
10:27:26web-tazso i just would need the viewport patch?
10:27:46web-tazinstead of all of them?
10:28:33amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, it looks like viewports caused a minimal slowdown in lcd update speed. Noticed that when redoing lcd speed tests on mono + greyscale targets last night
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10:29:13linuxstb_web-taz: No, you still need some of the others, but they may not all be working with viewports yet, and the themes themselves would have to be updated to use viewports.
10:29:28linuxstb_amiconn: :( What LCD operations does that plugin use?
10:29:44amiconnJust lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect()
10:29:54web-tazso all in all it would be easier not to use viewport?
10:29:58linuxstb_That's odd then - those functions aren't changed at all.
10:30:08amiconnIt's minimal; perhaps it's just some cache alignment effect or something
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10:32:15linuxstb_web-taz: Viewports are the future (official) way for themes to work, so in the long-term it's worth using them, and adjusting themes. But they're still in development, so if you're desperate to use themes needing those patches, you may want to just stick with an older version of Rockbox.
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10:33:46linuxstb_amiconn: BTW, have you got any kind of plugin to test/benchmark the LCD drawing functions?
10:33:47web-tazwell so i should go searching new themes :)
10:34:57amiconnlinuxstb: Still didn't find the time to write one. However, I will need one when I'm done with the greylib + the PP colour lcd bridge
10:37:59linuxstb_JdGordon: Are you using xmargin/ymargin in your code? I'm hoping we can remove them in the future when apps/ is fully adjusted to viewports.
10:38:17JdGordonno, I am purposly avoiding them
10:38:24JdGordonthey dont make sense with viewports anyway
10:38:40linuxstb_OK, good ;)
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10:39:11JdGordonoh, can we have some value which means "use the default vp's value"?
10:39:34JdGordonagain, specifically for the colours, but useful elsewhere maybe
10:40:22linuxstb_How would that work?
10:40:33JdGordondunno :p
10:41:56linuxstb_I've been wondering if the 3 gradient colours are needed in the viewport struct, or if it would be enough to just make them global to the LCD.
10:42:30linuxstb_(as they were before)
10:43:03JdGordonkeep them in i think :( people might get some funcky themes happening with them
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10:43:50JdGordonamiconn: -400 :)
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10:44:41linuxstb_Why would you want multiple selector bars, with different gradients?
10:46:40web-tazanother little questions: if I take the patched source code, where patches for a special player are applied, can I use this code to make a build for another player without problems?
10:46:45JdGordonif we get to a stage where you can have more than one list on the screen, ahving different coloured bars would be useful
10:47:49linuxstb_web-taz: That depends on the patches - they may not be written to work on all targets.
10:49:06web-tazbut could it be that those patches are written so that they just do those changes in the builds for their target?
10:49:30linuxstb_Most code is shared between all targets, there is very little target-specific code.
10:50:03linuxstb_Or at least, shared with a group of targets.
10:50:43web-tazFS #6800 - Sansa e200 backlight behavior (LCD fade) ; FS #7873 - New keymap for e200's text editor ; FS #7871 - Go to WPS from metadata viewer, pitchscreen and quickscreen for e200
10:50:47web-tazpatches like this
10:50:57web-tazcould they just apply to that specific code?
10:51:24linuxstb_Yes, those are cases of target-specific code (backlight driver and keymaps)
10:51:40web-tazthx :D thats the answer i wanted :D
10:51:48web-tazto get..
10:51:52JdGordonweb-taz: that backlight patch is nasty and I would really stay away from it
10:52:15web-tazi try to stay away from it :D
10:52:18linuxstb_JdGordon: Nasty enough to reject and close?
10:52:40web-tazi want to make a build for a F40 with the diff of an sansa build
10:52:56web-tazso i really hope this patch stays away :D
10:53:08JdGordonwell... its been there for ages, sp no real harm in leaving it, but it definatly cant go in while its done how it is
10:54:07JdGordonanyway, bed time
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10:57:43web-tazshit
10:57:49web-tazi got 1 error
10:57:51web-taz-.-
10:58:10web-tazjust 1
10:58:12web-tazbut 1
10:59:56web-tazmenu.c GO_TO_RECSCREEN undeclared
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11:00:43web-tazdoes this mean a point in the menu, which should link to a "recscreen" is not linked right?
11:03:06linuxstb_Sounds like a usage of GO_TO_RECSCREEN has been added, but not protected by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING - not all targets can record, including the Gigabeat.
11:03:29web-tazsounds foreign to me
11:03:51web-tazso if I just delete this party in the menu.c it should work for me?
11:03:55linuxstb_Basically, it's an example of a poorly written patch...
11:04:12linuxstb_... but easily fixable.
11:06:16web-tazso I just have to change the endef
11:06:19web-tazto ifdef?
11:07:16linuxstb_Can you upload your menu.c (in the apps folder) to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ?
11:08:03web-tazjust a mom
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11:10:00web-tazhttp://pastebin.ca/853141
11:11:29linuxstb_You can just delete lines 419 to 423 (inclusive) - that shouldn't be there, even for the Sansa.
11:11:52linuxstb_(they duplicate lines 384-390
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11:21:04web-tazoh no
11:21:07web-tazanother one
11:22:11web-tazuser_action.c 41-52
11:23:01web-taz"struct user_settings" has no member named "user_act_tree1/2/3 /wps1/2/3
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11:25:42linuxstb_That's more work - you'll need to ask the relevant patch author to make it work on all targets.
11:25:56web-tazwell
11:26:07web-tazcan you tell me what this relates to?
11:26:15web-tazperhaps i could just delete it
11:26:30web-tazbecause i dont need it...
11:26:54linuxstb_Have you applied a patch that gives you user-configurable buttons in some way?
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11:28:02web-tazFS #5555 - Record Button Configuration
11:28:12web-tazi think this is the one
11:28:19web-tazthat also made problems before
11:28:31web-tazFS #7076 - Calendar Button map for sansa
11:28:50web-tazthat just refers to a plugin i think
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11:29:02web-tazwell
11:29:04web-tazok
11:29:08web-tazthat's enough
11:29:42web-tazi just try to get all patches which belong to sansa, out
11:31:59webguest25has anyone had a problem while installing rockbox, when i run the ipodpatcher, it gives the message "no ipods found:aborting"
11:32:59webguest25but this works on my frinds ipod, which is an old 60 gb video ipod, mine is an 80 gb ipod i got just a month back.. its slimmer than the previous models
11:33:49LloreanThe iPod Classic is not supported
11:34:46webguest25ok
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11:37:26web-tazwhen i want to reverse a patch
11:37:37web-tazi just to the same like applying it
11:37:41web-tazjust add -R ?
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11:38:31web-tazthen i am told that unreversed patches are detected and wether i want to ignore them
11:38:35web-tazthis confuses me
11:38:46web-tazwhen i give command to reverse a patch
11:38:53web-tazwhy should i ignore unreversed?
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11:44:01stripwaxsomething like patch -p0 -R < my_patch.patch
11:44:49web-tazyes
11:45:13web-tazbut then i get the message with unreversed patches and whether i want to ignore them
11:45:37web-tazi want to reverse them, so i think i dont ignore them -> n
11:46:10web-tazthen i am asked whether i want to apply anyway
11:47:03web-tazi just dont get the meaning
11:47:17web-tazif i ignore the patches, it wont reverse them
11:47:29web-tazbut why the other question
11:47:36web-tazi think its just the same?
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11:53:12web-tazso if i say, n y the hunks fail :-/
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11:53:22desowinso patch is out-of-sync
11:53:48web-tazbut i want to reverse it :)
11:53:54web-tazit is already applied
11:54:20desowinsvn revert -R * ;) but it'll reverse all patches
11:54:47web-tazno
11:54:58web-tazi just want to keep most of them :)
11:55:20Bagderweb-taz: if patch can't undo it, you need to do it manually. It's as simple as that.
11:55:30web-tazmhh ok
11:55:53Bagderalthough I would remove all with svn revert and then again apply the patches I want
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12:05:51web-tazok
12:06:21web-tazby trying to apply those patches i want, hunks failed at patch costumlist, and new_dict
12:06:31web-tazcostumlist is not that important i think
12:06:42web-tazbut the dict plugin is important to me
12:06:44web-taz:-/
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12:25:10linuxstbweb-taz: Which version of custom-list are you using? The latest version should be synced to apply to current SVN, although it appears to not work correctly...
12:26:15web-tazit should be the newest
12:26:50linuxstbcustomlist-20080110.diff ?
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12:40:02linuxstbNico_P: Hi. I read in the logs that you're working on changing the WPS code - what's planned?
12:40:37Nico_Ptrying to make it more generic to allow the parser to be used in other situations
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12:45:11oskiehello, is there a file on the flash that contains name of last track played (that i can read when rockbox is turned off)?
12:46:19Bagdernot that I can recall
12:46:40PaulJamoskie: i guess you could enable the lastsm log and then read the last entry from the scrobbler.log file.
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12:47:01BagderI've pondered on improving the resume code to store the current song though
12:47:18Bagderto better deal with directory changes and still be able to resume the correct song
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12:50:48oskiePaulJam: ah ok
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12:51:23oskieBagder: well my device always remembers the current track file name and time
12:51:42oskieso when I turn it on again, I can resume the song
12:51:57Bagderdoes it remember the track name really?
12:52:16Bagderit certainly didn't when I wrote the resume code...
12:52:51oskiethen it must remember the "inode" (or whatever), because it knows which track to resume
12:52:59Bagdernope
12:53:07Bagderit remembers the dir and the index number in that dir
12:53:19Bagderand the random seed
12:53:35Bagderso that it can even continue the same randomized playlist
12:53:54oskieoh ok, what about the current position in the track, how/where is that stored?
12:54:03Bagderthat's also stored
12:54:53oskieis there any way to read it from flash disk when the device is turned off?
12:55:17Bagderyou can read all that info I mentioned, yes
12:55:30Bagderbut as I said, none of those is the name of the current song
12:55:39oskiecool, do you know what the file is called that contains this info (even if its binary form)?
12:58:30*Bagder tries to recall its name since his players are all away atm
12:59:14PaulJami think nvram.bin and .playlist_control
12:59:47oskieah, OK. .playlist_control actually seems to contain the directory name
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13:08:57amiconn.playlist_control contains the instructions how the current playlist was built
13:09:24amiconnThe current playlist position is stored in nvram.bin (or the actual nvram on some targets)
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13:40:39Nico_Plinuxstb: what do you think about generic WPS?
13:40:56Nico_P(which is actually a very bad name...)
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13:55:30linuxstbNico_P: What do you mean by "generic WPS" ?
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13:59:23GodEaterlinuxstb: from reading the log, I'm guessing he means he's working to allow the code to change the screen layout in places other than just the WPS
13:59:39GodEaterso you could change the position of menus, the status bar etc.
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14:03:53Nico_Pthe goal is to be able to use the WPS syntax and parser for other things than the WPS itself
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14:14:08linuxstbI think we need to think about the theming system, and try and design how a theme author is going to be able to specify all this. e.g. do we want to have lots of ".wps" files, one for each screen, or would they be better combined into a single file? Is the .wps syntax even going to be good enough for what we want to theme?
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14:17:26Nico_Pyeah I agree planning is needed for this. I think Jdgordon wanted to allow theming the statusbar, that's why he asked me to try to extend the current code
14:22:07nanokhas anybody experienced crashes on the sansa e200 lately,
14:22:25nanoksymptoms being the sound brakes up before it dies
14:22:43nanokafter that, no display, no response, only solution is hard shutdown
14:23:00nanoksometimes the music brakes up and it manages to recover
14:23:21nanokseems to be mostly random, but i seem to find it occurs mostly with ogg files so far
14:25:17nanokwhat is really strange is that i have been using one version of rockbox from about a month ago, i used it for an 18 or so hour drive; it went on continously for about 16hrs, not _one_ glitch
14:26:14nanokso i am thinking maybe there is a problem of some sort with my unit? (maybe the damn vfat is fragmented or something?). is that a possibility?
14:27:01linuxstbWhat do you mean by "breaks up" ? Do you mean it just pauses, and then continues, or something else?
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14:27:46nanoklinuxstb: it doesn't really pause, it's like a broken record, or, in digital terms, sounds like the buffer is empty, or the cpu overloaded
14:28:25nanok(more like the cpu, they are not clean breaks, there are nasty sounds close to the breaks)
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14:28:50linuxstbHave you checked your disk for errors?
14:28:51nanoki just updated to the current build, and it happened within a few minutes
14:29:15nanoki wil try to backup everything to my pc, erase, and put everything back on
14:29:49nanoklinuxstb: no, i havent't. how would i go about that? fsck you mean? (filesystem checking?)
14:29:59nanokor more like badblocks?
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14:31:11DomonokyBagder: are you there ? it seems genlang.cgi has some problems: it doesnt give all strings requested by the features...
14:32:28nanoki guess one other thing i could do is to try playing with the OF for a while. but it is as foreign to me as a totaly different player, i think that would be the last test i would do..
14:32:31Domonokyfor example a feature for h120 is "spdif_power" and in the output the id and voice for SPDIF_POWER is misssing..
14:32:55linuxstbnanok: Yes, fsck. Or simply reformat.
14:34:19nanoklinuxstb: i am backing up now, i will erase all (i tend to avoid reformat on music players, it tends to confuse the player, if not formating from windows, and i have no windows machine)
14:35:13nanokerase should be about as good as reformat for fragmentation, though if the fs is ..uhm.. fscked, it won't help much
14:35:41nanokthat's why ext2 support would be great.. :) (yeah, i know, tabu subject)
14:37:11pixelmalinuxstb: I've heard you know more about pacbox?
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14:37:27linuxstbpixelma: I wrote (ported) it..
14:38:21linuxstbnanok: It should be fine to reformat, just make sure you don't repartition, or modify anything in the second (firmware) partition.
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14:38:37nanoklinuxstb: fsck.vfat says there are differences between the boot sector and it's backup. would this be because of the rockbox bootloader?
14:39:01pixelmado you think it is possible or even makes sense on the c200?
14:39:16nanoklinuxstb: i know it should be fine, if you know the exact parameters to mkfs to make the fs _identical_ to what the player expects :)
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14:39:36linuxstbnanok: No, that would be because of a corrupt filesystem (IIUC).
14:40:16nanoklinuxstb: uhm, okay, so should i choose to restore the backup of the boot sector?
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14:43:23linuxstbpixelma: The pacman arcade machine (which packbox emulates) has a 288x224 screen. I don't think that could be scaled nicely to fit on a 132x80 screen. The smallest it currently goes (I think) is 50% scaling in both axes (144x112) for the Nano, and I don't think it works well there even.
14:44:29pixelmalinuxstb: yeah, I could imagine but I had no numbers. Thanks :)
14:45:22*amiconn doesn't understand why it would scale to 144x112 on nano
14:45:33linuxstbAlthough if someone really wanted to, they could attempt to replace the Pacman sprites (which are 8x8 IIRC) with smaller ones, and hack pacbox to use them. But that's not something I'm interested in...
14:45:38*linuxstb might have been wrong...
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14:46:33amiconnIiuc it should scale to 170x132 on nano
14:46:38amiconn(keeping aspect)
14:47:10amiconnOr use the entire screen, independent of aspect ratio. That's what doom does...
14:50:07linuxstbIt only does extremely simple pixel-dropping - skipping 1 in 2 or 1 in 4 pixels.
14:50:59amiconnhmm
14:51:15amiconnDoom and rockboy do some bresenham-like pixel dropping
14:52:18amiconnBut it looks like pacbox does that too. It's fullscreen on M5
14:52:44linuxstbIt may just look full-screen - it's 144x112 IIUC.
14:53:29linuxstbHmm, seems there isn't support for horizontally-packed greyscale LCDs...
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15:02:27nanoklinuxstb: reformated, seems to work
15:02:48nanoki will be back in the evening to state if that solved the problem or not
15:03:18nanokbtw: has any work been done in the last few months on the fm part (mainly the autoscanning)?
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15:07:53nanokooookay
15:07:57nanokforget about evening
15:08:07nanokit just happened again, but now it is different
15:08:43nanokit didn't crash, but it doesn't recover anymore, it jos goes on "crackling" instead of outputing "useful" sound
15:08:56nanokpause and play don't change anything
15:09:04nanoknext song doesn't either
15:09:31nanoksame thing for ogg and mp3
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15:10:04nanokhm, shutdown takes unusually long..
15:10:29nanokit plays normaly again, after reboot
15:11:30nanoki am starting to get worryed. could this be a hardware issue?.. :(
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15:17:37control_your_pladoes anyone know something about RTC-Alarm on my h300
15:17:37control_your_plado i need a new bootloader?
15:17:50nanokhm, after the reboot, the third song and still going. as i said, it seems rather random. i will get back to you guys in the evening
15:17:58nanoki'll go shooting now
15:18:21nanokif it happens again, i think maybe i will start backtracking to an older version of rb, see if that helps
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15:21:54Erenhello folks
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15:22:08Erenis there any progress in iPod deep sleep support for 4g photo?
15:22:23Erenif doesn't could you suggest something to me? except for learning C at first :P
15:22:47DomonokyEren: why should we do deep sleep on ipods ? shutting it of is better..
15:23:29ErenDomonoky: shutting it down and booting takes so much time :)
15:23:35BigBambiAnd if you don't know C you will not be able to do it
15:23:59Domonokybut deep sleep uses battery... so i dont think its really usefull...
15:24:22ErenDomonoky: hmm
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15:24:39ErenBigBambi: I'll learn, I know python and I don't need C
15:24:47ErenI can do whatever I want with python
15:25:00Erenso for me, to learn something, I should need it
15:25:01BigBambinot in rockbox you can't
15:25:02DomonokyEren: not for rockbox... for rockbox you will need c :-)
15:25:15Erenso, I'll learn C to hack rockbox
15:25:19BigBambiIf you want to implement something in rockbox you need C
15:26:02Erenok ok, I understand, and I think, you guys understand me?
15:26:10BigBambinot really, no
15:26:55Erenhm, basically, I should really need something to learn C, so I decided to hack rockbox
15:27:26Domonoky:-)
15:27:33BigBambiYou mean you think you should know C, so you have decided to get involved with rockbox to help you learn? If so, good plan
15:27:51DomonokyEren: i would recommend a small plugin to start rockbox hacking... not something deep in rockbox..
15:28:08ErenBigBambi: no, I should hack rockbox, so I'll get involved in C :)
15:28:53Erenyou guys don't understand :( I know python and it meets my needs very well, so I don't need C for general using and for this reason, I haven't learned C
15:29:34BigBambiRight, fine
15:29:48Erennow, I feel that if I'm obligated to learn C, I can start learning, so I decided to fix battery usage on rockbox
15:29:54BigBambiThe point is if you want to do anything with rockbox, you need C as python is useless for it
15:30:32Erenyep, iPod just have 32Mb ram :(
15:30:35DomonokyEren: and i would recommend to not start with something really hard, because then you will fail..
15:31:07ErenDomonoky: I know basics, loops, if statements, veriables
15:31:15Domonokyso something like: "fix battery usage" isnt the right thing to start c hacking...
15:31:47ErenI think, memory management is hard, pointers etc. :\
15:35:55ErenDomonoky: could you suggest some small plugins?
15:38:57DomonokyEren: maybe select a little game to implement, it should be something you like, or else you will loose motivation... :-) take a look at other plugins on how to build plugins...
15:40:12Erenhm, maybe hello world application will motivate me :)
15:40:35Eren[/packages]> svn co http://svn.rockbox.org/trunk rockbox
15:40:35Erensvn: PROPFIND request failed on '/trunk'
15:40:35Erensvn: PROPFIND of '/trunk': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.rockbox.org)
15:41:22Domonokywrong url, check the wiki for the correct url...
15:42:00Erenhm, wiki page is named "UsingSVN" :)
15:42:18BigBambiyes
15:42:44Erenok, getting the source, now I'm going to install toolchain for compiling rockbox
15:43:10DomonokyEren: please stop commenting everything you do, and start hacking :-)
15:43:37ErenDomonoky: hahah, OK sir :P
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15:45:35kugelpeople
15:45:37kugelhttp://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/12/1846256.shtml
15:45:45kugelwouldn't that be nice stuff for rockbox?
15:46:47Nico_Pdoesn't it require a pointing device and better resolution than our displays have?
15:46:56Domonokykugel: i think the screens on the players are a bit small for this, and how would you control this with buttons ?
15:47:15Erenexcept for everything, this game sucks :\
15:47:33kugelDomonoky: I just read that, didn't further think about yet
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15:48:04kugelI think, the screen resolutions in the 80s weren't much bigger than mp3-players resolution today
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15:49:09Domonokykugel: the other problem: simcity isnt written in c..
15:50:04kugelhttp://www.theinquirer.de/2008/01/13/simcity_1_ist_opensource.html according this is in c
15:51:16*Domonoky has read something about python and tc/tcl in simcity... but sure, if somewone wants to try to port it.. go forward.. :-)
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15:52:39Nico_Pit's released under GPLv3 though
15:52:59Domonokyanother problem.. :-)
15:53:15Nico_Pthe original version was in C but it has been updated to C++ and pyton
15:53:24Nico_Ppython*
15:54:28DwaineBurroughsI'm new and I wish to have access to post a theme.
15:58:41*pixelma forgot to mention the removal of a tab in midiplay.c while at it...
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16:00:10DomonokyDwaineBurroughs: and your wikiname is ?
16:02:00DwaineBurroughsI'm not sure. Isn't it suppose to be my first and last name? Is that what you mean? DwaineBurroughs
16:02:06*BigBambi is guessing "DwainBurroughs" :)
16:02:13Domonoky:-)
16:02:22DwaineBurroughsyeah :-)
16:02:27BigBambiexcept with an e of course
16:02:43DwaineBurroughsI've never used IRC before. This is new to me.
16:03:26DomonokyDwaineBurroughs: you have access now, promise not to spam ! :-)
16:03:44DwaineBurroughsNo problem. Thanks!
16:04:01Erenhmm, PP5020 supports NTSC/PAL encoder, so Apple didn't implement TV output in iPod Photo, why these guys don't implement something supported by chip?
16:04:17BigBambiAsk them
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16:05:51ender`because they're Apple, and they know what their customers want
16:11:28Erenender`: :)
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16:26:11soapwhere does it say the 5020 has TV out?
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16:27:40Erenhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayer#PP5020
16:27:54Erensoap: see the bottom links, original page is broken, you can download the pdf
16:29:59soapsays "to _external_ NTSC/PAL encoder"
16:30:57soapa bashing of Apple for not putting CD-ROM ports on the player is equally valid.
16:31:41Erenah, I missed it :) it says, it support directly connecting to an PAL encoder, sorry guys
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17:01:53blueskipCan I post a theme using a free powerpoint background, as in free to download? The site does not mention any restrictions on the image and gives links to dowload it freely.
17:03:13Domonokyblueskip: if there is no mention of licence, then you are not allowed to redistribute..
17:04:22blueskipIt says on the info page the images are royalty free, all they ask is I do not sell them. So it should be ok.
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17:11:45pondlifeNico_P: You said ".g. I guess we don't want information about progressbar and AA in a statusbar".
17:12:03pondlifeWhy not allow a progress bar?
17:12:49pondlifeWhy not allow a themeable status bar (or indeed any themeable screen part) to use any WPS tag.
17:13:15Nico_Ppondlife: err, no reason in particular but I assumed it'd be something we wouldn't want to allow. I don't have anything against it though
17:13:29pondlifeShould keep things simple to NOT restrict...
17:13:37Nico_Pyeah probably
17:13:53pondlifeCool, just checking I'd not misunderstood.
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17:22:04linuxstbEren: The ipod photo supports TV-Out with the Apple firmware...
17:24:39*Buschel does the next runtime test now (12MHz normal clock, but with GUI-boosting)
17:25:01linuxstbBuschel: How does the GUI boosting work?
17:25:46Buschelboost it when any button was pressed an unboost after timeout
17:25:58Buschelright now hardcoded after 4secs
17:26:09linuxstbOK, I thought there was talk of linking it with the backlight timeout.
17:27:00Buschelno, there was a thought about disabling WPS when backlight is off
17:28:37Buschelsomething like showing a black screen with "playback active" ore something like this. and re-enter the WPS with each button press
17:30:55pixelmathat would be a pity IMO because at least the Video's and the Nano's displays are quite readable without backlight
17:31:11pixelma(and the greyscale ones too, of course)
17:31:30linuxstbYes, only a few players have unreadable screens without backlight.
17:31:51Buschelyes, but with a user-option it would up the user, if he/she wants to see the WPS while backlight is off or if the runtime is more important
17:32:21linuxstbWithout peakmeters, how much difference does it make?
17:32:26Buschele.g. I do not use it. and don't forget about the blind users
17:32:27pixelmadoes it draw much power (i HAVE NO IDES)?
17:32:42pixelmaoops, sorry for caps and typos
17:33:00Buschelon 5G it needs about 5MHz which equals 1-1.5mA −− that's a lot
17:33:17soapCan anyone explain to me where i do some noops (I believe) to try and "brute-force" a working PP5002 build?
17:33:22linuxstbWell, the 5G is an extreme case due to the LCD size.
17:34:14Buschellinuxstb: yes. but nevertheless this would be a solution for better runtime −− at least on 5G it will have a reasonable effect
17:34:50pixelmawhat does the OF do?
17:35:04Buscheli never used it :)
17:35:06linuxstbWhat about the smaller LCDs?
17:35:19linuxstbI'm just wondering if there's other solutions...
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17:35:57Buschelthe WPS does 5fps, you can just reduce this. but then the updates look and feel jumpy
17:36:27linuxstbMy gut feeling is just that if the WPS is taking too much CPU, it should be optimised, rather than disabled...
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17:37:52amiconnBuschel: Imo we should always update the wps, even if it costs a few percent of runtime
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17:38:47amiconnAnd the wps code used to use partial updates - if it no longer does, complain at Nico_P
17:38:58amiconns/at/to/
17:39:05Nico_Pit still does
17:39:16Buschelamiconn: as default setting -> yes. but for better runtime an option would be fine.
17:39:30amiconnI disagree
17:39:48Buschelno problem. it's a free world ;o)
17:40:15amiconnsoap: jhMikeS just said somewhere in main.c. I used app_main() (near the top), before the init() call
17:40:33linuxstbBuschel: What targets have these WPS tests been done on? Are there results anywhere?
17:40:59*Nico_P would be very interested in comparisons too
17:41:02Buschellinuxstb: i only know about 5G's (battery runtime site)
17:41:06amiconnIf someone wants more runtime, he could always use a simplistic wps
17:41:29pixelmaeven an empty one...
17:41:42amiconn(no peakmeters, no progress bar, no playtime etc. And of course no gfx)
17:42:28pixelmamaybe make it dependent on the hold switch
17:42:40amiconnAh, or even better suggestion from pixelma: Make the fancy parts depend on the hold conditional
17:42:55Buschelthat's another idea
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17:43:09amiconnYes, which requires no coding...
17:43:16pixelmaI mean a WPS that use it as a conditional
17:43:44Buschelpixelma: understood
17:48:15Buschelnico_p: the last time i've checked the WPS updates, the screen was _always_ drawn each HZ/5. independet of whether the displayed content changed
17:48:24Buschelsorry for typos
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17:49:00Nico_PBuschel: ah yes, that's true. It just doesn't recalculate everything
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17:50:40BuschelNico_P: i would expect the screen updates only happening when the displayed content changed −− this should normally not occur each HZ/5.
17:51:14Nico_Pit's hard to know whether screen contents have changed or not
17:51:27Buschelsome time ago i played around with this and found (memory wasting) a solution which i've dropped
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17:54:05amiconnNico_P: The old wps code had some flags for each line which indicated when this line could potentially change
17:54:19Nico_Pit's still the same
17:54:46amiconnSo why does the code no longer use this to specify an update rectangle?
17:54:59JohnEKWith rockbox on my ipod, my car audio controls no longer work to control my ipod. (next/previous song, etc.) Is this a known problem?
17:55:13soapJohnEK, yes
17:55:18Nico_Pamiconn: I don't think it used to do that... I'm pretty sure the old code cleared the whole screen too
17:55:39JohnEKThanks soap. Status?
17:56:02soapJohnEK, if you would be so kind as to either PM me in the forums, or fill out the following wiki page yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
17:56:45JohnEKsure thing, thanks
17:57:00soapWell, Rockbox neither has a driver for the Apple's serial port (some of the pins in the dock connector) nor does Rockbox implement Apple's Accessory Protocol, so no data communication is going to happen between an iPod and an accessory.
17:57:02Nico_Pamiconn: but maybe I'm confusing things... each interation of the main loop call display->update(), but some parts aren't modified
17:57:15Nico_Pdepending on the flags
17:57:39amiconnYes, but iirc the old wps used display->update_rect()
17:57:50soapJohnEK, That being said - some accessories which use the line-out pins do work, and some don't. That wiki page is a work-in-progress attempt to help others by listing all the products which have been tested.
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18:00:03Nico_Pamiconn: no, I just checked
18:00:33JohnEKsoap, yeah it would seem someone has the same Audiolink ipod integration module as I do. Audio out and charging works...just not the controls
18:00:52soapthanks for looking, JohnEK
18:01:27Nico_Pamiconn: my new WPS code was added in r13019 in cas you want to see the previous code for yoursefl
18:01:29JohnEKnp
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18:38:16soapBuschel, I updated my unsupported build with your latest version of the patch.
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18:52:42Buschelsoap: this will give some more testing depth! good idea and thanks for your support :o)
18:54:20soapwe'll see - fist posted builds for all 502x targets last night.
18:54:37soapno downloads in the first 4 hours. :( can
18:54:44soap't speak for the last 12 yet.
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19:00:16Buscheleven though battery life is the holy grail?
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19:05:25soapso "they" say
19:05:45soapI'm not sure how much harder I can "pimp" the patch without violating forum guidelines.
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19:08:31Buschelwell, delivering test builds is the absolute top of what could be done. hopefully there will be some feedback about testing results. (i am really interestedt in the result of the sansa-guy:)
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19:11:40krazykityou need a battery bench for the sansa?
19:13:01soapspeak of the devil - new comment by "sansa-guy" ;)
19:13:41soapyea - 21 hours - I think you have beat Sansa stock.
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19:14:51krazykitlast battery bench gave me 6 hours on my sansa (crappy battery on refurbs :/). let's try this out.
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19:17:59DomonokyBagder: ping !
19:18:57Buschelsoap: interesting though that he only reached less runtime with 12MHz than with 24MHz. i expected more as flac should work @~13MHz
19:19:24soapI'm curious how much less - within testing margin of error?
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19:20:52Buschelsoap: 21:28 (24MHz) -> 21:05 (12MHz)
19:21:31eigmawhat's the opposite of "simulator build"? "player build"?
19:21:39soapthat's pushing margin of error if: A-different playlist B-didn't pay attention to charging
19:21:51Buschelmaybe battery not fully loaded? difference is ~2%
19:22:03Domonokyeigma: target build ? or normal build..
19:22:07krazykitsoap, your sansa e200 build shows a messed up screen on the device: it looks like the screen is moved around and wraps. your build does that on two different e250s. i'm going to try with the official 16978 to see if it's your build or an official problem
19:22:38krazykiter, wrong r# typed, right in my head
19:25:55eigmais -DDEBUG supposed to work for a target build? I keep getting "debug undefined" link errors
19:26:49soapkrazykit, no visual flaws on my Nano, will check Sansa in a minute.
19:27:13krazykitsoap, the official build doesn't display this issue on the same hardware.
19:27:26Domonokyeigma: debug builds arent usefull for target builds on newer hardware, you can gdb on the target.. use logf for debug output on target..
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19:28:51eigmaDomonoky: okay.. I've got a patch that implements debug() for all ARM architectures through JTAG.
19:28:54NumBeast_salWhat steps should I take to become a rockbox developer?
19:29:39desowinmy sansa seems to have frozen gui with device_disables_v09.patch
19:29:50krazykitsoap, um, but taking a screen dump doesn't show the issue, it seems
19:30:05eigmaDomonoky: problem is that it becomes very slow if a hardware debugger isn't attached to drain the channel's FIFO.. so I want to make sure people don't enable -DDEBUG for a target build by accident and wonder why everything grinds to a halt
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19:30:22desowinoh, and after second boot it gets "moved"
19:30:40soapkrazykit, I can confirm your issues with my sansa - trying the older build...
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19:31:36soapkrazykit, I do not have the issue with the older build.
19:31:39Domonokyeigma: sounds nice... and it shouldnt be a problem, nobody uses debug builds on targets.. (only archos could be an exepction)
19:32:07eigmaDomonoky: all right, I'll be committing within the hour
19:32:59Domonokyeigma: maybe make a patch on the tracker for review by the master hackers.. :-)
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19:36:22soapBuschel, I can confirm krazykit's finding that the screen is drawn wrong with v9 of your patch.
19:37:01Buschelsoap: not with the v7?
19:37:08Buschelor v8?
19:37:18soapnot with v8
19:37:29soapthe screen draws well, just it is "shifted"
19:37:40desowinwith v8 I got this too
19:37:45soapit shifts again to a new place everytime I scroll
19:37:56soapshifts and wraps.
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19:39:04soapwhen the backlight goes out, and comes back on from a keypress, the screen is drawn correctly.
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19:41:44eigmahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8454
19:42:13BigBambiNumBeast_sal: Pick something you want to work, dive into the code! Check out the for developers sections on the wiki
19:43:51Buschelsoap: hmmm, could you change "#if 0" to "#if 1", activate the 12MHz setting (system-pp502x.c) and re-check this issue?
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19:47:52soapjust change that 0 to a 1?
19:48:11Buschelsoap: yep. the 12MHz line is active by default
19:48:45soapbuilding
19:49:37Buschelsoap: stop! the 24MHz is active. you need to comment it and activate the PLL_CONTROL for 12 MHz some lines below
19:49:45Buschelsoap: sorry.
19:50:28*Buschel is having somethin to eat right now
19:51:47soapI'm going to need more hand-holding on that.
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19:52:31krazykitsoap, i believe he means around line 240
19:52:34Buschelsoap: meal is not ready yet −− will take some minutes ;)
19:52:42soapcomment out such as:
19:52:43soap //PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a220401; /* 24 MHz = (4/1 * 24MHz) / 4 */
19:52:58soapand uncomment such as:
19:52:58soap PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a320401; /* 12 MHz = (4/1 * 24MHz) / 8 */
19:53:08Buschelsoap: perfect! :)
19:53:22soapbuilding again
19:53:38soapkrazykit, can you receive files via IRC?
19:54:13krazykitprobably, but i'm building it now too with those changes
19:55:12Buschelmeal is ready now −− will be back in about 20mins
19:57:28soapunless I messed up (trying again) - I have the same issues.
19:58:45krazykitsoap and Buschel, that didn't fix it for me either.
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20:08:43Buschelhmmm
20:10:13Buscheldo you only have this error while scrolling?
20:10:44krazykitit starts when you scroll and happens in the WPS as well
20:10:47SequinI'm having trouble uninstalling rockbox. It gets stuck in a reboot loop when I connect to itunes in windows. Is there a way to wipe out everything so I can put apple software back on?
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20:11:21Buschelsoap/krazykit: next try -> change line #157 in button.c to "#if 0"
20:11:46DomonokySequin: delete the .rockbox folder, and uninstall the bootloader, that should be all..
20:11:49Buschelbtw, on ipod video i do not have these issues...
20:12:30DomonokySequin: otherwise you can also "restore" it with itunes, then its also back to normal (restore will wipe everything)
20:12:43krazykitBuschel, with what i changed previously?
20:13:03Buschelyep
20:13:40SequinI didn't install it on this ipod, so I don't know what the bootloader is. But I gathered the .rockbox folder is something you delete on the ipod. I can't get rockbox to stay up long enough to delete anything
20:14:15SequinDomonoky: It won't boot for more than a second, then it restarts
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20:15:05DomonokySequin: reboot it into the apple os, and connect it to the pc.. ( how to : is in the manual)
20:15:17Sequinthanks
20:16:05Buschelsoap/krazykit: stel (=user name) has got the same issues with his sansa. He just reported them on the patch tracker.
20:16:32krazykitBuschel, i got a build error. it was target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-e200.c right? and remove line 157 completely, replacing it with #if 0?
20:17:08Buschelkrazykit: no, firmware/drivers/button.c
20:17:22krazykitah, i'll try that then.
20:19:09Buscheli have the feeling there is something going wrong with the LCD interface when using 12MHz...
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20:20:20TheDarkOnerockbox is supposed to be able to do gapless playback, right?
20:21:28krazykitTheDarkOne, yes, with codecs that support it natively and properly encoded mp3s
20:21:50TheDarkOnewhat about for flac
20:21:57krazykitthat falls under "natively"
20:22:19TheDarkOnebecause i'm running into it having about a 1 second gap between songs :/
20:22:31TheDarkOneon an ipod 4th gen grayscale
20:22:55krazykitit could be a few things: the album isn't gapless to begin with or it was improperly ripped
20:23:32TheDarkOnewell it runs gapless in winamp or xmms2 no problem
20:23:48TheDarkOneand this is for all albums
20:23:51TheDarkOnenot just one
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20:26:46krazykitBuschel, nope, didn't fix it. i have to go now, though, but i'll be back in an hour or so, probably
20:27:25Buschelkrazykit: thanks. i think i'll better rollback the patch to avoid further problems.
20:31:11Buschelsoap: can you receive files via irc?
20:31:40soapI'm passive
20:32:14Buschelthen I may ask you about a last test for a proper rollback of the patch?
20:32:56Buschelplease use v9 and comment line #258 and uncomment line line #257 in system-pp502x.c
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20:34:55soapI will in 10-20 -> busy
20:35:16Buschelthanks a lot, i'll read the logs
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20:45:04soapBuschel, screen works.
20:45:10soapwill test other later.
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21:01:55Buschelhi stel :)
21:02:03stelhi
21:02:24steljust looking through your comments
21:03:25Buscheljust saw your comment, didn't see there were three logs in the 2nd bench
21:04:58stelyepp, the middle one was for mp3, i thought i deleted them after each test
21:05:33stelAs for the menu problem if I remember correctly, the menus worked at 18Mhz but broke after that
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21:06:08Buschelstel: that's interesting new information...
21:06:43Buschelmaybe the gui-boost doesn't work correctly for sansa?
21:07:15stelI had the same problem on v08
21:07:33Buschelyes, v8 didn't have any gui-boost...
21:07:54Buschelstel: but on v8 only when selectin <24MHz, correct?
21:08:40stelNo, 18MHz worked as well
21:09:37Buschelhmm, is DEV_INIT2 contained in the i/o port view in the engineering mode?
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21:11:14Buschelhmm, no.
21:12:59stelno, all I can see is DEV_EN, DEV_EN2 & DEV_EN3
21:14:57soapBuschel, I gotta run - I will be back in ~2 hours.
21:15:09Buschelsoap: see you tomorrow :)
21:15:38Buschelstel: can you add DEV_INIT2 to it?
21:16:23stelI think I'd need a bit of help with that?
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21:19:02Buschelstel: go to debug_menu.c, function dgb_ports and search for DEV_EN3. Then exchange DEV_EN3 and the inl(0x...) with DEV_INIT2 each
21:20:21Buschelfound it?
21:22:17stelnot yet, still looking
21:25:24Buschelstel: debug_menu.c can be found in apps/ and the line i am talking about is ~line #1180
21:25:41stelgot it, just compiling now
21:25:41Buschelstel: i have local changes though
21:25:50Buschelgreat:)
21:27:25Buschelstel: with a standar v9-patch you'll see 0x40000000 being set in DEV_INIT2 if boost is active
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21:36:10Buschelstel: when entering this menu it shall show 0x4.. and switch to 0x0.. after 4secs. pressing a button (also rotating scrollwheel) should set it to 0x4.. again. does this happen?
21:36:13stelBuschel: I'm getting C0001000 & 80001000, I don't know which one is boost
21:36:38Buschelstel: 0xc is boosted, 0x8 is unboosted
21:37:07Buschelstel: is the behaviour as described above?
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21:40:23eigmais there any way to build the codecs statically into rockbox.elf?
21:40:25Buschelstel: does it show 0xc0001000 after scroll wheel for 4secs, and then fall back to 0x80001000?
21:40:46stelBuschel: No, I only get the 0xc & 0x8
21:42:03Buschelstel: when does it switch to 0xc?
21:42:05JdGordoneigma: dont tihnk so
21:42:35stelNo, I can't see a pattern, boosting is happening all the time with or without using the wheel
21:42:52eigmaJdGordon: mmkay, thanks for your comments on that patch btw
21:43:04Buschelstel: are you playing a song? then please pause it and go into the menu again
21:43:04linuxstbeigma: No, but anything's possible...
21:43:08eigmaJdGordon: I'm trying to clean up my tree and get it ready for submission
21:43:14JdGordoncool :)
21:43:28eigmalinuxstb: can you take a quick look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8454
21:43:54JdGordoneigma: are you still having a problem with all targets trying to compile the dsp code?
21:44:08eigmaJdGordon: yeah, I haven't looked at a way to implement that in the Makefile
21:44:31JdGordona simple way which might work is by adding it to the mr500's $toolset in configure
21:44:47eigmais there anything I need in .rockbox besides codecs/wav.codec to play *.wav?
21:45:49JdGordonno, that should be it'
21:46:16stelBuschel: OK, 0x8 is the norm, wheel doesn't change anything, but a button press does change it to 0xC for about 4sec
21:46:55Buschelstel: there we've got it. wheel activity doesn't boost on the sansa...
21:50:14stelBuschel: That makes sense now
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21:51:37Buschelstel: please make a new line after button-e200.c, line #229. then add "int_btn|=btn;"
21:52:08eigmadear god the default font is small on that 640x480 screen :S
21:52:31JdGordonhaha yeah
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21:55:00eigmahaha nice openocd message:
21:55:01eigmaError: target.c:1215 handle_target(): couldn't poll target. It's due for a reset
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21:59:08stelBuschel: under last_wheel_usec = usec; ? - That doesn't seem to have made any difference
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22:03:07stelwait a minute, it's working now, but it didn't work from powerup
22:04:21Buschelstel: at least we've found the main reason :o) as i've only got a ipod video i assume this failure is also valid for all non-4G-scrollwheel targets
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22:05:14BuschelI'll rollback the patch to 24MHz as long as there is no other good solution to detect scrollwheel activity
22:05:24saratogaBuschel: did you see the remarks in the tracker about voltage scaling?
22:05:34Buschelnot yet
22:05:58saratogaif possible I would expect very large gains
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22:07:44JdGordonBuschel: what you trying to do with the wheel?
22:07:57stelBuschel: That code change worked, but it takes about 30 seconds to kick in from powerup
22:08:29Buscheljdgordon: i searched for a simple method to detect gui-interaction via button/wheel activity to boost/unboost the cpu
22:08:54Buschelstel: i cannot imagine why :/
22:09:58JdGordonthats not really wanted... if the wheel doesnt work without boosting then the clock is too low... maybe add another unboosted state for when the backlight is off?
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22:10:36Buscheljdgordon: that's exactly what i want -> lowering the cpu clock a lot
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22:10:56JdGordonbut have it at 30 when the light is on so the wheel works
22:11:18JdGordonactually, you could use the idle speed for that
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22:16:44Buschelstel: thanks for your support, I just rolled back the 12MHz + GUI-boost.
22:17:00Buschelsaratoga: do you know how to change core-voltage?
22:17:01stelno problem, hope you can sort it..
22:19:57preglowBuschel: nice work on the patch :)
22:20:18Buschelpreglow: well, in fact my wife is starting to hate me :/
22:24:47preglowi suppose it won't help if you tell here we all think it's a very nice patch? ;)
22:24:51preglowher
22:25:14Buschelshe laughed ;o)
22:26:03*stripwax_ reads
22:26:04stripwax_21 hours?
22:27:03bertrikBuschel: I know how to change the core voltage
22:27:19bertrikdo you have the AS3514 datasheet?
22:27:34Buschelbetrik: no. is this also valid for ipods?
22:28:12bertrikI don't know, as far as I know, the AS3514 is part of the PP5022 and PP5024 chips
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22:31:29linuxstbNo, just the PP5024.
22:33:02bertrikoh, ok
22:33:22Buschelbetrik: then i cannot work on this as I've got none :(
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22:40:14BuschelHmm, now I knwo why the 12MHz-clock lead to errorous scrolling on some targets. But I still wonder why stel's measurement of 21h runtime was nearly the same compared to 24MHz... I would have expected more runtime for flac...
22:40:37BuschelNevertheless this makes the patch easier :)
22:40:46saratogabertrik: how does one adjust the core voltage?
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22:41:31saratogai would like to test it on teh Sansa
22:41:35bertrikthe sansa e2xx basically has an AS3514 chip built in, which exposes a set of registers over I2C
22:41:48bertrikone of those registers controls the power management part
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22:43:08LloreanBuschel: Maybe it still needed to boost a lot to keep the buffer from underrunning just because it's always drawing the WPS still?
22:43:14saratogabertrik: is that register already defined in rockbox? if so which is it
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22:43:24saratogai would like to configure a build with it enabled and take current measurements
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22:43:59*bertrik is looking it up
22:44:06saratogathank you
22:44:28saratogai don't suppose we have any indication what voltage is needed for what clock speed, or am I going to have to figure that out myself?
22:44:47BuschelLlorean: but this would mean it would boost to an average of 24MHz... i thought flac decodes ~@13MHz, WPS wouldn't draw 11MHz −− hopefully.
22:45:47Buscheldoesn't the pcf-chip do the power management stuff in the ipods?
22:46:01stelBuschel: Would it be worth me trying 18MHz?
22:46:17Buschelstel: if you would spend the time -> yes
22:46:45stelwill do
22:47:35amiconnIt does, but afaik we don't know which of the various voltage regulators regulates the PP power, and neither what voltages the PP chip requires at a certain clock
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22:48:02*amiconn doubts that the PP is built for that
22:48:16bertriksaratoga: add this line somewhere after i2c has been initialised: pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, 0x21, 3);
22:48:26saratogaamiconn: is this something that would be feasible to determine via brute force searching as was done for the dev_en registers?
22:48:40saratogabetrick: that does low voltage?
22:48:50saratogado you have the command to go back to high voltage as well?
22:48:51bertrikyou need to have #included "i2c-pp.c" and "as3514.h"
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22:49:04amiconnsaratoga: You need to be very careful when playing with voltages...
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22:50:02bertrikI mean i2c-pp.h, not i2c-pp.c
22:50:09*Thundercloud WHAT THE HELL
22:50:16trust:o
22:50:20saratogaamiconn: I can current limit my power supply to just above what is needed for normal operations, hopefulyl that would avoid burning out anything too quickly
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22:52:20Buschel@DEV_EN-testers: btw, it would be interesting if the minimum startup configuration of the several registers which I found for ipod 5G could be tested and adapted for other targets as well.
22:55:12bertrikBuschel: I have been playing a bit with DEV_EN, I added a DEV_EN = 0xC4000134; in system_init inside the #if defined(SANSA_E200) section and so far it works well, but I haven't tried exhaustively to set bits to 0 yet
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22:57:17bertrikI'll do an exhaustive search this week and post it to FS #8379
22:58:02Buschelbertrik: you could take the 5G's ones from my patch as basic start. the normal failures are: doesn't start, doesn't detect USB, no audio
22:58:46Buschelbetrik: yes, good idea −− i'll merge it then. btw, there are only few bits left :)
22:59:38bertrikI took the value that was shown in the IO ports debug menu, removed the bits that were already set by each subsystem (I2C, I2S, etc) and started setting other bits to 0
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23:00:15Buschelthis what I've done, too. the DEV_INIT-register may be also of interest
23:00:22Buschel*registers
23:00:52*Buschel goes to bed −− see you!
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23:04:45saratogabetrik: I already did a search of all the dev_en bits
23:04:54saratogai linked it from that tracker entry
23:04:59saratoga(on the sansa)
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23:08:38bertrikhmm, your examples disable 2 bits at once
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23:09:19saratogabertrik: it disables all bits that can be disabled without causing the sansa to fail to boot
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23:09:40bertrikok, I'll try them too. Had any luck with the undervolting?
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23:10:01saratogano i won't have time to look at that until later tonight at the earliest, i'm still at work for a while yet
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23:17:59saratogawhat is the issue holding up us committing cabbie to svn?
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23:23:37saratogaif someone could suggest whats missing, I can probably change the script to accomidate it
23:24:44pixelmasaratoga: didn't check the patch but are the necessary changes done to make wpsbuild.pl include e.g. the gradient selector settings into the cfg files?
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23:25:00pixelmafor colour targets
23:25:22linuxstb_Why don't you just commit it as it is, and then we can clean it up and test whilst it's in SVN, prior to making it the default theme.
23:25:47pixelmaI thought that's what he wanted...
23:26:03ubercamHey all, I'm trying to add an FM preset to the Wiki and I see that I need to be "sponsored" before I can write to it... anyone willing?
23:26:51linuxstb_What's your wiki name?
23:27:01ubercamCamSchultz
23:27:54saratogalinuxstb_: ok i will test out hte patch tonight and then commit it as a nondefault theme if it works, and then look into fixing the build perl script
23:28:36linuxstb_ubercam: Done.
23:28:45ubercamthanks linuxstb_
23:28:50ubercamI appreciate it
23:29:24linuxstb_saratoga: I think a few things need to be done before making it the default theme - e.g. do we want to ship the required font in every rockbox.zip?
23:29:38*amiconn is puzzled by the latest commit
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23:30:53rasheramiconn: removing the untranslated strings?
23:31:09amiconnyes
23:31:36Lloreanlinuxstb_: I think there's no harm in including the font, if the theme is going to display automatically on first boot. I'd even say it's necessary to.
23:31:51saratogalinuxstb_: are fonts particularly large when compressed?
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23:32:03rasheramiconn: It seems some language files were run through genlang at some point, resulting in these strings. If a new translator then did the same, these ones wouldn't be marked as needing attention (since genlang removes all ### comments)
23:32:19linuxstb_saratoga: No, it's just something else that needs to be done to the build system.
23:32:42amiconnAh, hmm
23:32:45rasherUnless he noticed them before running genlang. I don't really see any point in keeping those.
23:33:04saratogalinuxstb_: I'm sorry, I don't understand
23:33:15saratogais the current system unable to specify which font goes with a theme?
23:33:20linuxstb_saratoga: "make zip" needs to put the required font in the zip file.
23:33:29linuxstb_Currently, "make zip" doesn't include any fonts.
23:33:40Bagderthere's already a build fullzip option that includes all fonts
23:33:44linuxstb_(make fullzip includes all fonts)...
23:33:47rasheramiconn: The strings are taken from english.lang anyway when missing, so what good did they do?
23:33:49saratogai didn't realize that
23:33:57rasherI may be missing something..
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23:35:03J3TC-Hrmm..anyone tried the multifont patch on current svn?
23:35:29Bagderbtw, rockbox for the sansa e200 is now downloaded almost as much as the ipod video from the build.rockbox.org site
23:35:59Bagder12600 vs 13600
23:36:06Bagderso far in january I should say
23:36:09linuxstb_I wonder how many of those were Classic owners....
23:36:13stripwax_heh
23:36:20rasherThe woot effect?
23:37:59Bagdernot only woot, the sansas have been sold (out) rather aggressively lately
23:38:33*linuxstb_ still hasn't seen one in a shop in the UK, apart from the airport...
23:38:50Bagdera fast runner-up is the c200
23:38:52linuxstb_(a bricks and mortar shop that is)
23:38:57Bagdernow more downloaded than the h300
23:39:19rasherThis calls for graphs.
23:39:26Bagderindeed ;-)
23:39:36J3TC-Ah...nvm...I forgot to commit another viewport patch :3
23:39:36amiconnIf I had to choose between c200 and e200, I'd always prefer the former
23:40:44amiconnrasher: Our languages are that large these days?
23:41:04*amiconn remembers the time when 6KB were sufficient...
23:41:08linuxstb_Bagder: Did the Player user upgrade this month? ;)
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23:41:26*Bagder digs deep in the logs
23:41:29amiconnProbably due to thai needing several bytes per char due to utf-8
23:41:34rasheramiconn: Oops, forgot to check the actual size - I meant to do that before committing. That size is just what Harry Tu suggested in the flyspray entry.
23:41:51Bagderactually, 348 player downloads
23:42:05J3TC-patch: **** malformed patch at line 60: @@ -173,6 +195,9 @@ <−−- anyone know what that means? :3
23:42:10Bagderthat's more than recorder, m45 and h100 ...
23:42:13Bagderm5
23:42:16amiconnWe even had a player bug report this month, which I fixed...
23:42:28rasheramiconn: Which size do I check? The filesize of the largest .lng, or something else?
23:42:47J3TC-The patch seemed fine but I'm just curious what this malformed patch thing :3
23:42:50amiconn(in the forum, not the tracker)
23:42:55Bagdernot a single ondio fm download ;-)
23:43:25rasherWouldn't it make sense to set the lang buffer size per-target, since we have differing sizes now? I imagine some of the archoses have smaller language files.
23:43:55Bagderuh, wrong of me I can't read, 43 ondio fm, 22 ondio sp downloads
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23:44:10rasherSome more work of course, but presumably it could be done pretty much automatically?
23:44:26rasherMight even be decided at build-time?
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23:44:43Bagderrasher: makes sense, yes
23:44:51amiconnThe question is how to determine this information. It would also mean that .lng files need to be built before the the main binary
23:44:52pixelmaBagder: there aren't any Ondio backlight builds available for download ;)
23:45:01Bagderhaha
23:45:40rasheramiconn: yeah, it'd take some moving around, but it's one less thing to worry about. And it will save some room (on all targets, really)
23:45:45*amiconn believes that only 2 backlight-modded Ondios exist on earth
23:45:51pixelmanot funny - there are 8MB recorder builds :P
23:46:04Bagderthe 8mb recorder builds were downloaded 144 times
23:46:08pixelmaamiconn: and a half...
23:46:13amiconnThe 8MB mod was done by more than 2 people back then
23:46:16Bagderthat's more than all regular ondios combined! ;-)
23:47:15saratogawill anything bad happen if i change CPUFREQ_MAX from 80MHz to something a little lower during testing?
23:48:18*amiconn curses the fnarfbargle.com build server
23:48:24rasherBut yeah, someone with knowledge of the build system could: 1) Make .lng files be build before Rockbox proper. 2) Generate a headerfile with the size of the largest .lng file.
23:48:48pixelmaa big language buffer increase :(
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23:49:28amiconnrasher: That script could also sort out some unsuitable .lng files for charcell (just an idea)
23:49:43rasherDoes any of you know which target has the largest .lng files? I don't really fancy downloading (or building) all targets to find out
23:50:02Bagderthai needs 14064 on the player
23:50:04Bagderbytes
23:50:10linuxstb_rasher: Don't you build all the sims?
23:50:10Bagderrasher: I can do a scan...
23:50:21amiconnThai needs 0 bytes on the player, because it won't work at all
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23:50:35rasherlinuxstb_: I do, but I don't keep them around locally
23:51:05amiconnPlayer can do all latin-based and cyrillic-based languages, plus greek
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23:51:40amiconnAll others are out of reach, except perhaps japanese (as halfwidth-katakana version, which would need to be specially prepared in japanese.lang)
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23:52:21Kyin01hi
23:52:24amiconnAnd even that would only work on "newplayers" (which are the vast majority of all players built, I think)
23:52:41Bagder22843 bytes is the biggest thai.lang
23:52:56Bagderh300
23:53:13Bagderthai is the biggest language (by far)
23:54:03Kyin01Does all the rockbox able players allow you to transfer songs without any 3rd party program (UMS) if you change the firmware to rockbox?
23:54:15Bagdergreek is #2
23:54:19LloreanKyin01: Yes.
23:54:22amiconnThat's because it's alphabet based, and its characters use high code points
23:54:25Bagder19520 is the biggest greek
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23:54:34Kyin01is that a new feature?
23:54:39amiconnYeah, same thing applies to greek, just that code points are not that high
23:54:43Bagder17699 is the biggest russian
23:54:49LloreanKyin01: No... it's always been this way.
23:55:04Bagderand they're all on the h300
23:55:20Kyin01oh, i had an iriver h10 20GB and i was never able to find how to do that
23:55:42Kyin01is it an option inside the player when you have it turned on?
23:55:57amiconnKyin01: Hold Select while powering on
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23:56:06linuxstb_Kyin01: On the H10 you have to use the original firmware's UMS mode.
23:56:13amiconnThis is not even a rockbox feature, its a feature of the OF
23:56:15Bagderthe smallest language is afrikaans... :-P
23:56:25Bagderthey can't have many translated phrases left
23:56:36amiconnAnd depending on what H10 you have, you could install an ums firmware variant
23:56:42Kyin01because im thinking of getting an ipod (because the x5 cant be found on ebay) and i want to make sure that when i install rockbox I DON'T have to use itunes or any other 3rd party programs
23:57:19rasherBagder: so 25000 is a bit large..
23:57:32Bagderyes
23:57:35JohnEKI've looked at a few different wps tag documents and cannot find one which describes how to use album art in a wps. Is there an up-to-date document somewhere?
23:57:59Kyin01and ive used my friend's ipod orignal firmware apple has on it, with rockbox i can browse by folders and ID3 tags right? and when im done browsing i can instantly go back to the "Now Playing" screen and not have to wait like the ipod firmware?
23:58:12pixelmaJohnEK: probably the AlbumArt wiki page
23:58:17LloreanKyin01: It works just like it did on the H10, yes.
23:58:42rasherBagder: Does 23500 sound reasonable? Should work for a while (or until someone automates the process)
23:58:44Kyin01lastly can the rockbox ipod play .m3u or .pls?

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