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| 00:00:39 | telliott | amiconn, Which machine gets the most use? |
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| 00:02:02 | amiconn | Iriver "H180" (H140 upgraded to 80GB) and Ondio FM are my 2 most used ones, but I use almost all targets more or less often |
| 00:03:38 | telliott | I have a Sansa Clip (2 gig) I use at work. I wander if anyone is working on a Rockbox port for it. The default firmware isn't bad. |
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| 00:04:09 | Bagder | telliott: that's a "sansa v2" architecture, and there's no real effort going on yet |
| 00:04:36 | Bagder | mostly because there aren't many interested who own such devices it seems |
| 00:04:55 | saratoga | i don't think a v2 port will really take off until you can't get the V1s |
| 00:05:20 | telliott | It does one thing I've never seen another mp3 player do. Scanning in reverse will scan past the beginning of the current track and into the end of the previous track. |
| 00:05:28 | Bagder | we need a "proper" dev to get bored enough to buy a v2 and get going |
| 00:05:49 | telliott | True. We depend on those guys. |
| 00:06:23 | * | amiconn exaggerated a little |
| 00:06:51 | amiconn | One of my 12 targets doesn't run rockbox yet, but I acquired it for the purpose of porting rockbox |
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| 00:07:27 | amiconn | To compensate, I have one other target here for testing which isn't mine ;) |
| 00:08:19 | amiconn | markun: Btw, to answer your question, I think I can make the greylib work on the M3 |
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| 00:10:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, do I remember correctly that you wanted to look into libmpeg2 whether you can make it skip chroma decoding? |
| 00:10:33 | telliott | The default Sansa firmware isn't bad. |
| 00:10:57 | Bagder | telliott: its not particularly grand either imho |
| 00:11:33 | telliott | The default Archos firmware truely sucks. I remember at one time, they were wanting to include Rockbox on the CD. |
| 00:11:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, _grey_info in IRAM speeds up grey_ub_gray_Bitmap by 50% on cf :) |
| 00:13:10 | jhMikeS | 50%? not bad at all. :) |
| 00:13:12 | amiconn | Some asm could make it even faster (making use of burst mode - it's a bit tricky but possible) |
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| 00:14:08 | jhMikeS | yes, I was going to look into that. It needs to still acknowledge chroma and read over it. |
| 00:15:19 | markun | amiconn: great. Do you have an m3? |
| 00:15:22 | amiconn | 19.1->28.5 fps (H180, 45MHz); 74->109.5 fps (124MHz) |
| 00:15:47 | amiconn | markun: Yes. That's my current not-yet-rockbox target |
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| 00:16:55 | amiconn | In theory the greylib could also work on the iriver remote (that one's easy, speed wise) as well as the other iaudios (same remote as the M3), but there are some fundamental problems |
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| 00:17:41 | amiconn | First, you can't run 2 greylibs at once because the LCDs most likely have different refresh rates, and unfortunately there is only one user timer |
| 00:18:12 | amiconn | Second, 2 greylib isrs active at a time will interfere, and might even overload the cpu |
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| 00:29:09 | bwananna | are there any dev's available |
| 00:29:46 | Domonoky_ | for rent or sale ? :-) |
| 00:30:28 | bwananna | for talk mostly |
| 00:30:32 | bwananna | or a question |
| 00:30:56 | Domonoky_ | just ask your question...if somebody can help they will do.. |
| 00:31:48 | bwananna | i was wondering why the diff at the bottom of this page hasn't been comitted into source http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF |
| 00:33:40 | amiconn | Because it would waste power with non-microdrives |
| 00:33:44 | Domonoky_ | bwananna: this patch disables the ata sleep command, it think you only want this when you mod your player.. |
| 00:33:55 | amiconn | I mean with non-cf |
| 00:34:21 | bwananna | ok understood |
| 00:35:05 | * | amiconn wonders whether someone with a nano checked whether the nano's flash properly reports that it doesn't support the sleep command |
| 00:35:16 | amiconn | (in the identify block) |
| 00:35:47 | amiconn | In case it does, it might be a good idea to check the identify info to decide dynamically whether to send the sleep command or not |
| 00:36:00 | bwananna | another question then is assuming you have a CF which properly supports "TrueIDE" sleep and whatnot, would this diff also cause some negative, like increased power consumption |
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| 00:36:17 | amiconn | Then the ata driver wouldn't need modification. Even the #ifdef for nano could go away |
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| 00:37:31 | bwananna | or do proper cf cards just ignore the sleep command |
| 00:37:48 | amiconn | cf cards do auto sleep |
| 00:38:43 | IzzehO | can someone help me out with some vmware questions? |
| 00:39:11 | krazykit | IzzehO, only if you ask the question |
| 00:39:31 | IzzehO | well i've got a few and they go off topic so would have rathered pm someone |
| 00:39:42 | BigBambi | So don't ask the off topic ones |
| 00:39:51 | BigBambi | And just ask the on topic ones |
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| 00:40:25 | IzzehO | heh.. ok lets try that then.. is it possible to access large (10+gb) files in the rockbox vmware? |
| 00:40:37 | T-Mac | hey iam used of using rockbox but i just updated to the new build "much faster btw its great" but my batterie cap. is only limited to 300Ma - 800Ma it used to have the 3200Ma what happend? |
| 00:41:00 | BigBambi | T-Mac: That is irrelevant |
| 00:41:09 | T-Mac | Izzeh0: i was never able to put larger files then 4 gb |
| 00:41:11 | bwananna | amiconn: would checking the idnetity info dynamically elminiate my problem since i have a CF card |
| 00:41:22 | amiconn | bwananna: yes |
| 00:41:23 | T-Mac | bigbambi: irrelevant? |
| 00:41:27 | BigBambi | T-Mac: It is just for the amount of time left calculation, which on most players is off anyway |
| 00:41:31 | IzzehO | so there is no way for samba to make view the windows shared files? |
| 00:41:43 | BigBambi | T-Mac: It has no effect on how long the player lasts etc. |
| 00:41:49 | BigBambi | T-Mac: Which player? |
| 00:41:54 | amiconn | T-Mac: Sure you can't put larger files than 4 GB on - FAT32 doesn't support larger file sizes |
| 00:42:05 | bwananna | amiconn: i don't suppose you're in a position to easily do that |
| 00:42:20 | T-Mac | amicon: ive tried to throw on a dvd iso and it never wanted to take it.... :( |
| 00:42:25 | amiconn | bwananna: I can't test since I don't have a nano. |
| 00:42:35 | bwananna | i have a mini i can test on |
| 00:42:42 | T-Mac | bigbambi : thanks :) so setting the limit to 300 just takes longer to charge? |
| 00:42:51 | IzzehO | damnit.. looks like im reformatting a hard drive and installing linux then - sigh.. |
| 00:42:51 | BigBambi | No |
| 00:42:53 | bwananna | amiconn: rather i can test for you |
| 00:42:57 | T-Mac | bigbambi: but wwill not effect the lengh of time my player will play |
| 00:42:58 | amiconn | I have a mini too, but with the standard microdrive |
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| 00:43:13 | BigBambi | T-Mac: The ONLY thing it affects is the run time estimation - i.e. 10 hours 20 left |
| 00:43:21 | amiconn | T-Mac: What target are you talking about? |
| 00:43:40 | IzzehO | lol.. yeah.. latest svn has been saying my 2 year old ipod has a battery life of 43 hours.. |
| 00:43:47 | amiconn | On most targets, the mAh setting just affects the runtime calculation, not the actual runtime |
| 00:44:01 | BigBambi | I may have overlooked archos here :) |
| 00:44:23 | T-Mac | amiconn: okay thanks :) |
| 00:44:34 | T-Mac | bigbambi: thanks to you too :) |
| 00:44:43 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 00:45:02 | BigBambi | T-Mac: Which player? |
| 00:45:07 | T-Mac | amiconn : the target? i used a 30 gig video gen 5 ipod |
| 00:45:15 | IzzehO | oh yeah.. thanks for the comfirmation.. I'm trying to remember the other question, but drawing a blank |
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| 00:45:38 | BigBambi | T-Mac: It affects nothing on that player other than runtime calc, which I don't think is calibrated anyway |
| 00:45:40 | amiconn | The 30GB ipod 5th gen has a 400mAh battery afaik |
| 00:46:01 | amiconn | If you were able to set 3200mAh with an older rockbox version, that was a bug that is now fixed |
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| 00:46:14 | T-Mac | amiconn: excellent :) |
| 00:46:16 | amiconn | The 60/80GB models have 600mAh |
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| 00:47:45 | IzzehO | whats with this new usb disk mode on latest builds? |
| 00:48:05 | krazykit | IzzehO, the item on the MajorChanges wiki page explains it |
| 00:48:12 | BigBambi | IzzehO: The non-hardware usb targets now do proper usb charging |
| 00:48:17 | IzzehO | mines only been going into disk mode 1/10 times i connect.. and popping up with the driver install (which i noticed mentioned..) every other time |
| 00:48:34 | BigBambi | USB mass storage isn't complete yet |
| 00:48:44 | BigBambi | As the front page says, ignore the driver popup |
| 00:49:01 | bwananna | could someone do me a favor and build the latest rockbox for me with the following diff applied and send it to me (i do not have a suitable development enviroment) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MiniCF?rev=2;filename=minicf.diff |
| 00:49:13 | IzzehO | yeah ok so any set way to put it into disk mode? or the wiki handle that? |
| 00:49:17 | bwananna | built for a second generation mini |
| 00:49:22 | BigBambi | IzzehO: Use the OF or disk mode to transfer files |
| 00:49:28 | BigBambi | IzzehO: That is in the manual |
| 00:49:53 | IzzehO | OF? |
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| 00:51:12 | IzzehO | hey bwananna wat patch is it? my ie is screwed so ill just browse to it and try for u |
| 00:51:34 | BigBambi | IzzehO: OF = original firmware |
| 00:51:46 | BigBambi | IzzehO: proper English please |
| 00:52:01 | IzzehO | woops.. sorry.. slipped. |
| 00:52:06 | BigBambi | :) |
| 00:52:10 | bwananna | IzzehO: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF |
| 00:52:18 | bwananna | IzzehO: the one at the bottom of the page |
| 00:52:21 | IzzehO | and yeah I'm away of that, been using rockbox for a year now. |
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| 00:52:36 | IzzehO | I'm saying after latest few builds it hasn't been going into disk mode |
| 00:52:52 | BigBambi | Yes, you need to do it manually for the time being |
| 00:53:15 | IzzehO | and I read the discussion a couple of months ago onto changing the behaviour of it.. but menu holding, etc doesn't seem to produce any constants |
| 00:53:16 | amiconn | Some builds do reboot properly, some don't |
| 00:53:23 | IzzehO | ok fair enough. |
| 00:53:25 | BigBambi | ah, I didn't know that |
| 00:53:31 | BigBambi | I thought they all didn't |
| 00:53:42 | IzzehO | yeah thats what confused me is that it works 1/10 times |
| 00:53:48 | amiconn | That bug has been around ever since usb detection was improved, far earlier than the us stack |
| 00:53:49 | IzzehO | and there was no pattern to it |
| 00:54:05 | amiconn | s/us/usb/ |
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| 00:54:10 | BigBambi | soap: Double digit? wow! |
| 00:55:01 | soap | With an early version of the patch I went from 65% of stock runtime to 75% of stock runtime. |
| 00:55:10 | BigBambi | excellent |
| 00:55:58 | soap | 77% even |
| 00:56:08 | IzzehO | bah im sorry bwananna it just ain't my day - You'll have to ask someone else.. |
| 00:56:22 | soap | preliminary testing indicates we might be able to beat Sansa stock. |
| 00:56:40 | IzzehO | getting lang_dictionaries error with just the default source.. |
| 00:56:45 | BigBambi | That would be ace |
| 00:56:59 | bwananna | IzzehO: that's cool, thanks for trying |
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| 01:00:24 | IzzehO | anyone know of any further rockbox documentation for vmware? |
| 01:00:24 | bwananna | i think i need food |
| 01:01:02 | krazykit | IzzehO, anything related to rockbox would be on whatever wiki page is related to the vmware image. maybe search in the forums? |
| 01:01:27 | IzzehO | yeah I'll give it a shot.. |
| 01:03:56 | IzzehO | sigh.. constant database errors when searching |
| 01:05:45 | T-Mac | what was that about getting larger files then 10gb on your ipod? like i said i tried 4.5 gig iso once "never tried it again" it didnt work |
| 01:06:00 | T-Mac | i usualy rar the iso into parts now |
| 01:06:41 | BigBambi | T-Mac: The FAT32 filesystem file size limit is 4GB |
| 01:06:53 | IzzehO | Me? no I was after accessing a 14gb file through vmware so I could convert it.. |
| 01:07:00 | * | krazykit is pretty sure the limit is 2 |
| 01:07:32 | BigBambi | 4 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#FAT32 |
| 01:07:38 | krazykit | though wikipedia has proven me wrong |
| 01:07:39 | T-Mac | bigbambi: anyway of formating my ipod another way other then fat32? like ntfs? |
| 01:07:52 | BigBambi | T-Mac: Not if you want to use it as an iPod |
| 01:08:04 | T-Mac | okay :) |
| 01:08:10 | BigBambi | you can use HFS+ if you format it to work with a Mac, but then rockbox won't work |
| 01:08:11 | IzzehO | seems pretty ironic to mention wikipedia when that is what I'm trying to get =/ |
| 01:08:27 | T-Mac | ill continue spliting it into parts |
| 01:09:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:26 | IzzehO | Ok - "If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator" - search ain't working |
| 01:10:02 | BigBambi | IzzehO: Unfortunately there is only one person who is commonly around who can fix that |
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| 01:12:51 | T-Mac | any files i could download to get the original firmware games to work on rockbox? or whatabout the new games in itunes? and torrents for those? |
| 01:13:02 | n1s | no |
| 01:13:09 | BigBambi | Do not ask how to obtain copyrighted material |
| 01:13:11 | krazykit | and no discussing that last item either |
| 01:13:20 | soap | T-Mac, read the IRC guidelines as mentioned in the channel topic. |
| 01:13:28 | T-Mac | sorry :| |
| 01:13:51 | T-Mac | fav game for rockbox has to be Super dominator tho ;) |
| 01:14:12 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 01:14:23 | T-Mac | Superdom! |
| 01:14:29 | BigBambi | ah |
| 01:15:06 | IzzehO | lol it's really buggy though and computer gives up randomly all the time |
| 01:15:24 | BigBambi | Feel free to submit a patch to improve it |
| 01:15:53 | IzzehO | lol like I'd ever master that :P |
| 01:16:04 | T-Mac | can you guys answer if it is even posible to get that copywrited meterial? dont tell me how... just confirm its posible? :P |
| 01:16:11 | BigBambi | no |
| 01:16:16 | BigBambi | Do not ask |
| 01:16:16 | T-Mac | okay ;) |
| 01:16:18 | IzzehO | no I don't believe it is |
| 01:16:43 | krazykit | robotfindskitten is obviously the best rockbox game ;-) |
| 01:16:52 | BigBambi | How is it a game? |
| 01:16:55 | IzzehO | they suck anyway - try *buying* a similar game for gameboy and ripping it and putting it on |
| 01:17:04 | * | BigBambi doesn't get robotfindskitten :) |
| 01:17:14 | BigBambi | IzzehO: On topic please |
| 01:17:59 | IzzehO | Lol sorry, uhm just curious - why are so many of the completed game patches not added to the current builds? |
| 01:18:06 | BigBambi | Many reasons |
| 01:18:22 | BigBambi | They are not coded correctly, they do not run on all targets, ... |
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| 01:18:40 | BigBambi | A developer hasn't had time to review them |
| 01:19:23 | IzzehO | Mmm ok. |
| 01:21:02 | n1s | Or no developer who has the time finds them interesting... |
| 01:21:58 | * | n1s goes to bed, leaving for one week skiing trip tomorrow :D |
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| 01:22:10 | BigBambi | have fun :) |
| 01:22:11 | BigBambi | too late |
| 01:24:11 | IzzehO | can vmware actually access a connected ipod? or is that just for show? |
| 01:24:42 | krazykit | IzzehO, it should be able to if you pass on the USB connection to the guest operating system |
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| 01:24:53 | krazykit | but you're straying offtopic... |
| 01:26:08 | IzzehO | yeah I'm struggling to see what is ontopic though |
| 01:26:29 | IzzehO | considering it seems to be rockbox image related for the vmware, and there is minimal documentation in the wiki |
| 01:26:46 | IzzehO | ...and the fact I guess I suck at linux - anyhow shutting up now.. |
| 01:27:04 | XavierGr | IzzehO: what's your problem with the rockbox vmware image? |
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| 01:28:31 | webguest83 | i'm having trouble building rockbox |
| 01:28:35 | IzzehO | Simply I suck at exploiting it.. never mind.. |
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| 01:28:57 | webguest83 | can anyone help? the problem is arm-elf-gcc is not in my path, i've had the problem before and I don't remember how to add it |
| 01:29:45 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
| 01:29:51 | XavierGr | it should be something like PATH=$PATH:"where you put the arm-elf-gcc" |
| 01:29:51 | polygonal | IzzehO: still here? I think you should try a linux liveCD to convert the wiki - no need to install/boot linux on your harddrive |
| 01:30:25 | krazykit | webguest83, it might be /usr/local/arm-elf/bin rather than the /opt one though |
| 01:30:33 | IzzehO | Yeah I'm downloading one as we speak *Dial-up sucks* |
| 01:30:35 | XavierGr | webguest83: have you built the arm crosscompiler? adding it to the path without building it first would be silly |
| 01:30:36 | amiconn | Or just add another virtual hdd to the virtual machine, large enough to do it |
| 01:30:47 | soap | webguest83, easiest way is to add it to your .bashrc file (if applicable). As in PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/blah/foo/bar etc. |
| 01:31:09 | IzzehO | amiconn would that use ram though? |
| 01:31:37 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 01:31:38 | IzzehO | ..I mean wouldn't it be stored in the ram? |
| 01:32:02 | IzzehO | Ok any chance I could get a bit more of a walkthrough with that? |
| 01:32:17 | eigma | anyone know where the get_more handler is when playing mp3 files? |
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| 01:33:17 | XavierGr | Izzeh0: if you want to add another virtual hdd I suggest that you search google for it |
| 01:34:24 | amiconn | uhm |
| 01:37:32 | scorche | anyone else want to hop on for another round of rockbox cloaks? |
| 01:37:49 | krazykit | can users get them? |
| 01:38:14 | scorche | lowest level is "contributor" which requires name in the credits |
| 01:38:50 | bwananna | anyone know of a good bootable linux distro with a development enviroment capeable of compiling rockbox? |
| 01:38:54 | amiconn | Are the levels documented somewhere? |
| 01:39:15 | polygonal | IzzehO: Also, instead of uncompress the xml dump you can pipe directly to xmlconv - then you will only have a 3G or so file to work with instead of 10G or more </offtopic> |
| 01:39:17 | scorche | amiconn: i have a mail i sent to the swedes a while back, but i dont think so |
| 01:39:24 | XavierGr | schorche can I have one? |
| 01:39:35 | krazykit | bwananna, you'd need something that includes gcc and you'd need plenty of memory, but there's not one out of the box, i don't think. |
| 01:39:56 | XavierGr | oops I meant scorche |
| 01:39:58 | bwananna | i really don't want to install a linux distro |
| 01:40:04 | amiconn | No linux distro does include the cross compilers, you always need to build them yourself |
| 01:40:07 | scorche | XavierGr: i forgot...did you have svn access? |
| 01:40:25 | krazykit | bwananna, read the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. you can install cygwin which runs in windows. |
| 01:40:25 | XavierGr | scorche: nope just the contributor one that you mentioned |
| 01:40:37 | bwananna | cool thanks krazykit |
| 01:40:46 | amiconn | Or use the vmware image |
| 01:40:47 | scorche | XavierGr: well, due to you being a moderator on the forum, you get staff :) |
| 01:41:25 | XavierGr | scorche: I nice, that was unexpected, I've almost forgot about that one :P |
| 01:42:01 | XavierGr | shame that I don't hang in the forum so much |
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| 01:43:12 | scorche | amiconn: would you prefer it on a new page, IrcNicks, or IrcAdministration? |
| 01:43:39 | XavierGr | scorche: thank you very much |
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| 01:45:00 | * | scorche hovers over the edit button on IrcNicks |
| 01:45:07 | IzzehO | polygonal can you check the PM? |
| 01:46:04 | polygonal | no sorry |
| 01:46:16 | IzzehO | =/ |
| 01:47:09 | IzzehO | Bah I give up.. cyaz... |
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| 02:11:37 | jimmyjam | hello, I'm troubleshooting a broken ihp-120. I read some old logs from 2005 in which linusN gave some sdvie on testing the LTC3405. He said that I should find 1.8v on pin 3. although I do not know what pin 3 is I can only find 0.5v and 4v. is there anybody I could ask a few questions to? |
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| 02:13:51 | markun | jimmyjam: probably only LinusN can help you, but it's 2:13 (at night) right now |
| 02:16:14 | XavierGr | jimmyjam: LinusN probably meant pin3 of the LTC3405 chip |
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| 02:17:21 | XavierGr | Pins are the little pads that stick out from chips and are soldered to the board (in case you don't know what a pin is) |
| 02:17:50 | XavierGr | you number pins from the little dot of the chip (if there is one) |
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| 02:32:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I've been working on the WPS code to make it generic |
| 02:35:14 | JdGordon | cool :) |
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| 02:40:58 | Nico_P | it's a bit more complicated now since the buffers have to be out of the struct |
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| 02:42:34 | JdGordon | but still managable? |
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| 02:43:13 | Nico_P | yes it's ok I think |
| 02:43:49 | Nico_P | what I'm not quite sure about is how to organize the data... e.g. I guess we don't want information about progressbar and AA in a statusbar :p |
| 02:43:56 | JdGordon | cool, ok ive been in bed all day so time to be social :O back in quite a few hours i think |
| 02:44:07 | JdGordon | no that sounds bad |
| 02:44:09 | Nico_P | I'll be in bed soon |
| 02:44:41 | JdGordon | could be completly seperate that data from the parsed stuff? |
| 02:44:47 | Nico_P | I guess the only things we need are tokens, strings and bitmaps |
| 02:45:09 | Nico_P | well the parsing still needs to alter that data |
| 02:45:10 | JdGordon | not even bitmaps |
| 02:45:21 | Nico_P | really? |
| 02:45:36 | JdGordon | stick a void *data in the wps_data struct and let the user then change what that means |
| 02:46:03 | JdGordon | well... the bitmap size would be different for each screen... so just have it as a pointer and set that on init |
| 02:46:26 | Nico_P | yes that's what I was thinking |
| 02:46:39 | JdGordon | ok great |
| 02:46:39 | Nico_P | it's basically what I've done for the token data too |
| 02:46:46 | JdGordon | anyway, im off |
| 02:46:56 | Nico_P | ok, have fun ;) |
| 02:47:02 | Nico_P | I'm off to bed |
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| 03:06:15 | Llorean | soap: Flyspray in my opinion too. |
| 03:07:25 | soap | thank you for the (perfectly timed) reply, Llorean. Hmm, there is a problem with 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen iPods not always working? |
| 03:08:40 | soap | Yapper (in the forums) can't get my 1G/2G iPod viewport builds to work. I wonder if there is anything (or any version) I might have wrong. I let rockboxdev.sh build my cross-compilers - on 32bit OS - I have no other ideas. |
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| 03:10:27 | Llorean | soap: Yes. |
| 03:10:33 | Llorean | There's a very, very strange problem |
| 03:10:48 | Llorean | As far as I know, every build for those has a unique chance of working or not. |
| 03:11:06 | Llorean | To guarantee it works, you need to add nop statements somewhere until you get a build that tests as working. |
| 03:11:17 | Llorean | And, the only way to identify a working build, so far, is to try it on hardware. |
| 03:11:52 | Llorean | At least, if I've followed the evolution of this problem properly. AFAIK both jhMikeS and amiconn have investigated it and come up mostly dry so far. |
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| 03:36:27 | webguest64 | does anyone have the link to Bagders blog |
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| 03:51:55 | soap | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog IIRC |
| 03:54:49 | eigma | awwwww http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/04/sound-on-mrobe-500/ :)) |
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| 05:47:42 | NonPlayerChar | Hey, I installed rockbox on a sansa e280, all of the music that was on it before the install was added to the music data base and shows up when I go to play it, however if I add any more, it doesn't recognize it under music database and cannot be found even by searching |
| 05:48:02 | NonPlayerChar | How ever if I go to files I can find it and play it that way |
| 05:49:26 | NonPlayerChar | anyone? |
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| 05:54:40 | Mouser_X | How would I go about setting up a build environment in Linux? I did it with cygwin, but I figured that Linux was different... |
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| 05:55:52 | NonPlayerChar | darn connection |
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| 06:00:13 | NonPlayerChar | guessing no one knows or the room is dead |
| 06:00:19 | NonPlayerChar | hm |
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| 06:12:26 | bwananna | aww man |
| 06:13:47 | bwananna | i still get ata: -80 even when i compile with the patch at the bottom of this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF |
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| 06:17:13 | bwananna | at least it shows the splash screen now |
| 06:18:45 | NonPlayerChar | okay I played around with some settings for the database and if I update and then intilize then reboot, it will load all the new songs but none of the old ones |
| 06:19:04 | NonPlayerChar | hmm |
| 06:19:17 | bwananna | so can anyone tell me what "ATA error: -80" is? |
| 06:21:00 | NonPlayerChar | sorry mate |
| 06:21:42 | NonPlayerChar | ah hah figured it out |
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| 06:28:33 | bwananna | i think they are all sleeping |
| 06:30:47 | Mouser_X | At least, all the useful people are. Sorry I'm not much help. |
| 06:40:19 | bwananna | but all the cool people are awake |
| 06:40:21 | bwananna | heh |
| 06:43:30 | Mouser_X | I don't know about that... :P |
| 06:43:52 | Mouser_X | (I'm not so sure I'm completely awake...) |
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| 07:38:03 | bwananna | hum de dum |
| 07:38:13 | bwananna | goodbye till tomorrow, thanks people |
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| 09:18:44 | JdGordon | there are never titles displayed on charcell in the lists right? |
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| 09:44:11 | JdGordon | hey linuxstb_ |
| 09:44:32 | linuxstb_ | Morning. How are things going? |
| 09:44:45 | JdGordon | not too bad, just finishing up the list stuff |
| 09:44:55 | JdGordon | would a viewport_copy() be ok to get the default vp? |
| 09:45:34 | JdGordon | I dont think being able to get a pointer to it from apps is a good idea |
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| 09:48:32 | linuxstb_ | Why do you need it? |
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| 09:49:09 | JdGordon | to hopefully save a bit of space and instead of having to setup viewports for the list |
| 09:49:33 | JdGordon | also, to copy all the colour settings |
| 09:50:23 | linuxstb_ | But won't all that be user-customisable? i.e. present in global_settings or similar? |
| 09:51:25 | JdGordon | we dont know yet... I want to just put it in without that yet, and then we can decide how far to take it |
| 09:52:21 | JdGordon | also, I want to put the drawing code in apps/gui/bitmap/list.c and gui/charcell/list.c and keep the rest of the logic in gui/list.c... sound ok? |
| 09:53:06 | linuxstb_ | If you think it's simpler. I don't know the list code that well. |
| 09:53:49 | linuxstb_ | But I would have done it the other way around - work out what theming capabilities we want, and then implement them... |
| 09:54:48 | JdGordon | the only thing not done is the different colours stuff... everything else I can tihnk of which could be themed is ready to go |
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| 10:01:13 | J-23 | Hello! |
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| 10:02:20 | J-23 | My Sansa c240 microSD card is read only :/ |
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| 10:02:39 | J-23 | How can I delete some files from it? |
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| 10:11:35 | Robin0800 | could the svn revision be added to the front page? |
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| 10:14:45 | * | amiconn would be interested in test_fps results from an ipod 4th Gen greyscale or Mini 1st Gen |
| 10:14:51 | amiconn | With latest svn of course |
| 10:15:07 | J-23 | run emulator |
| 10:15:11 | Robin0800 | at the moment to see if the current build is completely up to date you have to find the svn revision and look at the difference file |
| 10:15:21 | linuxstb_ | J-23: There isn't an emulator... |
| 10:15:57 | J-23 | rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-4Ggray-sim-w32.zip">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-4Ggray-sim-w32.zip ? |
| 10:16:11 | amiconn | _sim_ulator != _em_ulator |
| 10:16:14 | J-23 | and rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-mini1G-sim-w32.zip">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/get.php?file=ipod-mini1G-sim-w32.zip ? |
| 10:16:26 | linuxstb_ | Those are UI simulators - Rockbox compiled to run on your PC. |
| 10:16:43 | csc` | emulator emulates everything, including hardware. a simulator only gives you software experience of something |
| 10:17:24 | | Part J-23 |
| 10:17:31 | csc` | lol |
| 10:17:40 | JdGordon | amiconn: charcell never shows a title in the list right? |
| 10:17:55 | amiconn | Haha, of course not |
| 10:18:05 | JdGordon | just double checking :) |
| 10:18:30 | * | csc` goes back to lurking until 3rd generation nanos are supported by rockbox |
| 10:18:45 | amiconn | hmm, now that you're asking, hafta check whether someone might have implemented such a weird thing... |
| 10:18:58 | scorche | csc`: it was nice knowing you... ;) |
| 10:19:01 | * | JdGordon checks watch.....shouldnt be too long csc` |
| 10:19:12 | JdGordon | 2013 maybe? |
| 10:19:22 | csc` | bah, ipod will be dead by then |
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| 10:20:23 | csc` | JdGordon: maybe ill get lucky and ipodlinux will support it :p |
| 10:20:36 | JdGordon | if they get it, we wont be far behind |
| 10:20:42 | JdGordon | and vice verca |
| 10:21:09 | csc` | i think last i checked either rockbox or ipl didnt support two or three models |
| 10:21:15 | csc` | mightve been one |
| 10:21:41 | scorche | and last i checked, ipl development has been...well... |
| 10:21:50 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox and IPL run on the same set of ipods |
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| 10:22:06 | csc` | oh well, i can still use the ui simulator cant i? :p |
| 10:22:16 | * | csc` converts to DS homebrew |
| 10:22:18 | csc` | tada? |
| 10:22:20 | web-taz | hello |
| 10:22:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: Umm, checking for your question uncovered a bug... |
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| 10:22:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: great :) |
| 10:22:48 | amiconn | The 'Show path' setiing does exist on the player, but it has no effect... |
| 10:23:11 | JdGordon | that would make sense... ok, easy to fix |
| 10:23:27 | amiconn | Yeah, the setting should go |
| 10:23:53 | amiconn | And I wonder where the setting for menu titles is (on bitmap targets), or do we always show the title nowadays? |
| 10:24:22 | web-taz | a little question: i want to patch again but i can't remember in which order the patches must be applied (multifont rightmargin, y margin, progressbar slider, customlist, costumline) |
| 10:24:42 | web-taz | i also never found sth where i could look after which patch needs which :-/ |
| 10:25:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: titles are always shown in the menus if there is room |
| 10:25:45 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 10:25:53 | JdGordon | is there tagcache on charcell? |
| 10:26:35 | amiconn | Tagcache? You mean database ;) ... yes of course |
| 10:26:54 | linuxstb_ | web-taz: Those patches are (I think) not being maintained any more. They're being adapted to work with Viewports (FS #8385). But in any case, you would need to ask the authors of those patches, we can't help you with anything apart from the official code. |
| 10:27:15 | web-taz | ok |
| 10:27:26 | web-taz | so i just would need the viewport patch? |
| 10:27:46 | web-taz | instead of all of them? |
| 10:28:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, it looks like viewports caused a minimal slowdown in lcd update speed. Noticed that when redoing lcd speed tests on mono + greyscale targets last night |
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| 10:29:13 | linuxstb_ | web-taz: No, you still need some of the others, but they may not all be working with viewports yet, and the themes themselves would have to be updated to use viewports. |
| 10:29:28 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: :( What LCD operations does that plugin use? |
| 10:29:44 | amiconn | Just lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() |
| 10:29:54 | web-taz | so all in all it would be easier not to use viewport? |
| 10:29:58 | linuxstb_ | That's odd then - those functions aren't changed at all. |
| 10:30:08 | amiconn | It's minimal; perhaps it's just some cache alignment effect or something |
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| 10:32:15 | linuxstb_ | web-taz: Viewports are the future (official) way for themes to work, so in the long-term it's worth using them, and adjusting themes. But they're still in development, so if you're desperate to use themes needing those patches, you may want to just stick with an older version of Rockbox. |
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| 10:33:46 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: BTW, have you got any kind of plugin to test/benchmark the LCD drawing functions? |
| 10:33:47 | web-taz | well so i should go searching new themes :) |
| 10:34:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Still didn't find the time to write one. However, I will need one when I'm done with the greylib + the PP colour lcd bridge |
| 10:37:59 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Are you using xmargin/ymargin in your code? I'm hoping we can remove them in the future when apps/ is fully adjusted to viewports. |
| 10:38:17 | JdGordon | no, I am purposly avoiding them |
| 10:38:24 | JdGordon | they dont make sense with viewports anyway |
| 10:38:40 | linuxstb_ | OK, good ;) |
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| 10:39:11 | JdGordon | oh, can we have some value which means "use the default vp's value"? |
| 10:39:34 | JdGordon | again, specifically for the colours, but useful elsewhere maybe |
| 10:40:22 | linuxstb_ | How would that work? |
| 10:40:33 | JdGordon | dunno :p |
| 10:41:56 | linuxstb_ | I've been wondering if the 3 gradient colours are needed in the viewport struct, or if it would be enough to just make them global to the LCD. |
| 10:42:30 | linuxstb_ | (as they were before) |
| 10:43:03 | JdGordon | keep them in i think :( people might get some funcky themes happening with them |
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| 10:43:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: -400 :) |
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| 10:44:41 | linuxstb_ | Why would you want multiple selector bars, with different gradients? |
| 10:46:40 | web-taz | another little questions: if I take the patched source code, where patches for a special player are applied, can I use this code to make a build for another player without problems? |
| 10:46:45 | JdGordon | if we get to a stage where you can have more than one list on the screen, ahving different coloured bars would be useful |
| 10:47:49 | linuxstb_ | web-taz: That depends on the patches - they may not be written to work on all targets. |
| 10:49:06 | web-taz | but could it be that those patches are written so that they just do those changes in the builds for their target? |
| 10:49:30 | linuxstb_ | Most code is shared between all targets, there is very little target-specific code. |
| 10:50:03 | linuxstb_ | Or at least, shared with a group of targets. |
| 10:50:43 | web-taz | FS #6800 - Sansa e200 backlight behavior (LCD fade) ; FS #7873 - New keymap for e200's text editor ; FS #7871 - Go to WPS from metadata viewer, pitchscreen and quickscreen for e200 |
| 10:50:47 | web-taz | patches like this |
| 10:50:57 | web-taz | could they just apply to that specific code? |
| 10:51:24 | linuxstb_ | Yes, those are cases of target-specific code (backlight driver and keymaps) |
| 10:51:40 | web-taz | thx :D thats the answer i wanted :D |
| 10:51:48 | web-taz | to get.. |
| 10:51:52 | JdGordon | web-taz: that backlight patch is nasty and I would really stay away from it |
| 10:52:15 | web-taz | i try to stay away from it :D |
| 10:52:18 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Nasty enough to reject and close? |
| 10:52:40 | web-taz | i want to make a build for a F40 with the diff of an sansa build |
| 10:52:56 | web-taz | so i really hope this patch stays away :D |
| 10:53:08 | JdGordon | well... its been there for ages, sp no real harm in leaving it, but it definatly cant go in while its done how it is |
| 10:54:07 | JdGordon | anyway, bed time |
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| 10:57:43 | web-taz | shit |
| 10:57:49 | web-taz | i got 1 error |
| 10:57:51 | web-taz | -.- |
| 10:58:10 | web-taz | just 1 |
| 10:58:12 | web-taz | but 1 |
| 10:59:56 | web-taz | menu.c GO_TO_RECSCREEN undeclared |
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| 11:00:43 | web-taz | does this mean a point in the menu, which should link to a "recscreen" is not linked right? |
| 11:03:06 | linuxstb_ | Sounds like a usage of GO_TO_RECSCREEN has been added, but not protected by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING - not all targets can record, including the Gigabeat. |
| 11:03:29 | web-taz | sounds foreign to me |
| 11:03:51 | web-taz | so if I just delete this party in the menu.c it should work for me? |
| 11:03:55 | linuxstb_ | Basically, it's an example of a poorly written patch... |
| 11:04:12 | linuxstb_ | ... but easily fixable. |
| 11:06:16 | web-taz | so I just have to change the endef |
| 11:06:19 | web-taz | to ifdef? |
| 11:07:16 | linuxstb_ | Can you upload your menu.c (in the apps folder) to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ? |
| 11:08:03 | web-taz | just a mom |
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| 11:10:00 | web-taz | http://pastebin.ca/853141 |
| 11:11:29 | linuxstb_ | You can just delete lines 419 to 423 (inclusive) - that shouldn't be there, even for the Sansa. |
| 11:11:52 | linuxstb_ | (they duplicate lines 384-390 |
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| 11:21:04 | web-taz | oh no |
| 11:21:07 | web-taz | another one |
| 11:22:11 | web-taz | user_action.c 41-52 |
| 11:23:01 | web-taz | "struct user_settings" has no member named "user_act_tree1/2/3 /wps1/2/3 |
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| 11:25:42 | linuxstb_ | That's more work - you'll need to ask the relevant patch author to make it work on all targets. |
| 11:25:56 | web-taz | well |
| 11:26:07 | web-taz | can you tell me what this relates to? |
| 11:26:15 | web-taz | perhaps i could just delete it |
| 11:26:30 | web-taz | because i dont need it... |
| 11:26:54 | linuxstb_ | Have you applied a patch that gives you user-configurable buttons in some way? |
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| 11:28:02 | web-taz | FS #5555 - Record Button Configuration |
| 11:28:12 | web-taz | i think this is the one |
| 11:28:19 | web-taz | that also made problems before |
| 11:28:31 | web-taz | FS #7076 - Calendar Button map for sansa |
| 11:28:50 | web-taz | that just refers to a plugin i think |
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| 11:29:02 | web-taz | well |
| 11:29:04 | web-taz | ok |
| 11:29:08 | web-taz | that's enough |
| 11:29:42 | web-taz | i just try to get all patches which belong to sansa, out |
| 11:31:59 | webguest25 | has anyone had a problem while installing rockbox, when i run the ipodpatcher, it gives the message "no ipods found:aborting" |
| 11:32:59 | webguest25 | but this works on my frinds ipod, which is an old 60 gb video ipod, mine is an 80 gb ipod i got just a month back.. its slimmer than the previous models |
| 11:33:49 | Llorean | The iPod Classic is not supported |
| 11:34:46 | webguest25 | ok |
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| 11:37:26 | web-taz | when i want to reverse a patch |
| 11:37:37 | web-taz | i just to the same like applying it |
| 11:37:41 | web-taz | just add -R ? |
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| 11:38:31 | web-taz | then i am told that unreversed patches are detected and wether i want to ignore them |
| 11:38:35 | web-taz | this confuses me |
| 11:38:46 | web-taz | when i give command to reverse a patch |
| 11:38:53 | web-taz | why should i ignore unreversed? |
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| 11:44:01 | stripwax | something like patch -p0 -R < my_patch.patch |
| 11:44:49 | web-taz | yes |
| 11:45:13 | web-taz | but then i get the message with unreversed patches and whether i want to ignore them |
| 11:45:37 | web-taz | i want to reverse them, so i think i dont ignore them -> n |
| 11:46:10 | web-taz | then i am asked whether i want to apply anyway |
| 11:47:03 | web-taz | i just dont get the meaning |
| 11:47:17 | web-taz | if i ignore the patches, it wont reverse them |
| 11:47:29 | web-taz | but why the other question |
| 11:47:36 | web-taz | i think its just the same? |
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| 11:53:12 | web-taz | so if i say, n y the hunks fail :-/ |
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| 11:53:22 | desowin | so patch is out-of-sync |
| 11:53:48 | web-taz | but i want to reverse it :) |
| 11:53:54 | web-taz | it is already applied |
| 11:54:20 | desowin | svn revert -R * ;) but it'll reverse all patches |
| 11:54:47 | web-taz | no |
| 11:54:58 | web-taz | i just want to keep most of them :) |
| 11:55:20 | Bagder | web-taz: if patch can't undo it, you need to do it manually. It's as simple as that. |
| 11:55:30 | web-taz | mhh ok |
| 11:55:53 | Bagder | although I would remove all with svn revert and then again apply the patches I want |
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| 12:05:51 | web-taz | ok |
| 12:06:21 | web-taz | by trying to apply those patches i want, hunks failed at patch costumlist, and new_dict |
| 12:06:31 | web-taz | costumlist is not that important i think |
| 12:06:42 | web-taz | but the dict plugin is important to me |
| 12:06:44 | web-taz | :-/ |
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| 12:25:10 | linuxstb | web-taz: Which version of custom-list are you using? The latest version should be synced to apply to current SVN, although it appears to not work correctly... |
| 12:26:15 | web-taz | it should be the newest |
| 12:26:50 | linuxstb | customlist-20080110.diff ? |
| 12:27:19 | web-taz | yes |
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| 12:40:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Hi. I read in the logs that you're working on changing the WPS code - what's planned? |
| 12:40:37 | Nico_P | trying to make it more generic to allow the parser to be used in other situations |
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| 12:45:11 | oskie | hello, is there a file on the flash that contains name of last track played (that i can read when rockbox is turned off)? |
| 12:46:19 | Bagder | not that I can recall |
| 12:46:40 | PaulJam | oskie: i guess you could enable the lastsm log and then read the last entry from the scrobbler.log file. |
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| 12:47:01 | Bagder | I've pondered on improving the resume code to store the current song though |
| 12:47:18 | Bagder | to better deal with directory changes and still be able to resume the correct song |
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| 12:50:48 | oskie | PaulJam: ah ok |
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| 12:51:23 | oskie | Bagder: well my device always remembers the current track file name and time |
| 12:51:42 | oskie | so when I turn it on again, I can resume the song |
| 12:51:57 | Bagder | does it remember the track name really? |
| 12:52:16 | Bagder | it certainly didn't when I wrote the resume code... |
| 12:52:51 | oskie | then it must remember the "inode" (or whatever), because it knows which track to resume |
| 12:52:59 | Bagder | nope |
| 12:53:07 | Bagder | it remembers the dir and the index number in that dir |
| 12:53:19 | Bagder | and the random seed |
| 12:53:35 | Bagder | so that it can even continue the same randomized playlist |
| 12:53:54 | oskie | oh ok, what about the current position in the track, how/where is that stored? |
| 12:54:03 | Bagder | that's also stored |
| 12:54:53 | oskie | is there any way to read it from flash disk when the device is turned off? |
| 12:55:17 | Bagder | you can read all that info I mentioned, yes |
| 12:55:30 | Bagder | but as I said, none of those is the name of the current song |
| 12:55:39 | oskie | cool, do you know what the file is called that contains this info (even if its binary form)? |
| 12:58:30 | * | Bagder tries to recall its name since his players are all away atm |
| 12:59:14 | PaulJam | i think nvram.bin and .playlist_control |
| 12:59:47 | oskie | ah, OK. .playlist_control actually seems to contain the directory name |
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| 13:00:41 | oskie | and possibly index of file in directory... |
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| 13:08:57 | amiconn | .playlist_control contains the instructions how the current playlist was built |
| 13:09:24 | amiconn | The current playlist position is stored in nvram.bin (or the actual nvram on some targets) |
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| 13:40:39 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do you think about generic WPS? |
| 13:40:56 | Nico_P | (which is actually a very bad name...) |
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| 13:55:30 | linuxstb | Nico_P: What do you mean by "generic WPS" ? |
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| 13:59:23 | GodEater | linuxstb: from reading the log, I'm guessing he means he's working to allow the code to change the screen layout in places other than just the WPS |
| 13:59:39 | GodEater | so you could change the position of menus, the status bar etc. |
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| 14:03:53 | Nico_P | the goal is to be able to use the WPS syntax and parser for other things than the WPS itself |
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| 14:14:08 | linuxstb | I think we need to think about the theming system, and try and design how a theme author is going to be able to specify all this. e.g. do we want to have lots of ".wps" files, one for each screen, or would they be better combined into a single file? Is the .wps syntax even going to be good enough for what we want to theme? |
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| 14:17:26 | Nico_P | yeah I agree planning is needed for this. I think Jdgordon wanted to allow theming the statusbar, that's why he asked me to try to extend the current code |
| 14:22:07 | nanok | has anybody experienced crashes on the sansa e200 lately, |
| 14:22:25 | nanok | symptoms being the sound brakes up before it dies |
| 14:22:43 | nanok | after that, no display, no response, only solution is hard shutdown |
| 14:23:00 | nanok | sometimes the music brakes up and it manages to recover |
| 14:23:21 | nanok | seems to be mostly random, but i seem to find it occurs mostly with ogg files so far |
| 14:25:17 | nanok | what is really strange is that i have been using one version of rockbox from about a month ago, i used it for an 18 or so hour drive; it went on continously for about 16hrs, not _one_ glitch |
| 14:26:14 | nanok | so i am thinking maybe there is a problem of some sort with my unit? (maybe the damn vfat is fragmented or something?). is that a possibility? |
| 14:27:01 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "breaks up" ? Do you mean it just pauses, and then continues, or something else? |
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| 14:27:46 | nanok | linuxstb: it doesn't really pause, it's like a broken record, or, in digital terms, sounds like the buffer is empty, or the cpu overloaded |
| 14:28:25 | nanok | (more like the cpu, they are not clean breaks, there are nasty sounds close to the breaks) |
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| 14:28:50 | linuxstb | Have you checked your disk for errors? |
| 14:28:51 | nanok | i just updated to the current build, and it happened within a few minutes |
| 14:29:15 | nanok | i wil try to backup everything to my pc, erase, and put everything back on |
| 14:29:49 | nanok | linuxstb: no, i havent't. how would i go about that? fsck you mean? (filesystem checking?) |
| 14:29:59 | nanok | or more like badblocks? |
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| 14:31:11 | Domonoky | Bagder: are you there ? it seems genlang.cgi has some problems: it doesnt give all strings requested by the features... |
| 14:32:28 | nanok | i guess one other thing i could do is to try playing with the OF for a while. but it is as foreign to me as a totaly different player, i think that would be the last test i would do.. |
| 14:32:31 | Domonoky | for example a feature for h120 is "spdif_power" and in the output the id and voice for SPDIF_POWER is misssing.. |
| 14:32:55 | linuxstb | nanok: Yes, fsck. Or simply reformat. |
| 14:34:19 | nanok | linuxstb: i am backing up now, i will erase all (i tend to avoid reformat on music players, it tends to confuse the player, if not formating from windows, and i have no windows machine) |
| 14:35:13 | nanok | erase should be about as good as reformat for fragmentation, though if the fs is ..uhm.. fscked, it won't help much |
| 14:35:41 | nanok | that's why ext2 support would be great.. :) (yeah, i know, tabu subject) |
| 14:37:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: I've heard you know more about pacbox? |
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| 14:37:27 | linuxstb | pixelma: I wrote (ported) it.. |
| 14:38:21 | linuxstb | nanok: It should be fine to reformat, just make sure you don't repartition, or modify anything in the second (firmware) partition. |
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| 14:38:37 | nanok | linuxstb: fsck.vfat says there are differences between the boot sector and it's backup. would this be because of the rockbox bootloader? |
| 14:39:01 | pixelma | do you think it is possible or even makes sense on the c200? |
| 14:39:16 | nanok | linuxstb: i know it should be fine, if you know the exact parameters to mkfs to make the fs _identical_ to what the player expects :) |
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| 14:39:36 | linuxstb | nanok: No, that would be because of a corrupt filesystem (IIUC). |
| 14:40:16 | nanok | linuxstb: uhm, okay, so should i choose to restore the backup of the boot sector? |
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| 14:43:23 | linuxstb | pixelma: The pacman arcade machine (which packbox emulates) has a 288x224 screen. I don't think that could be scaled nicely to fit on a 132x80 screen. The smallest it currently goes (I think) is 50% scaling in both axes (144x112) for the Nano, and I don't think it works well there even. |
| 14:44:29 | pixelma | linuxstb: yeah, I could imagine but I had no numbers. Thanks :) |
| 14:45:22 | * | amiconn doesn't understand why it would scale to 144x112 on nano |
| 14:45:33 | linuxstb | Although if someone really wanted to, they could attempt to replace the Pacman sprites (which are 8x8 IIRC) with smaller ones, and hack pacbox to use them. But that's not something I'm interested in... |
| 14:45:38 | * | linuxstb might have been wrong... |
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| 14:46:33 | amiconn | Iiuc it should scale to 170x132 on nano |
| 14:46:38 | amiconn | (keeping aspect) |
| 14:47:10 | amiconn | Or use the entire screen, independent of aspect ratio. That's what doom does... |
| 14:50:07 | linuxstb | It only does extremely simple pixel-dropping - skipping 1 in 2 or 1 in 4 pixels. |
| 14:50:59 | amiconn | hmm |
| 14:51:15 | amiconn | Doom and rockboy do some bresenham-like pixel dropping |
| 14:52:18 | amiconn | But it looks like pacbox does that too. It's fullscreen on M5 |
| 14:52:44 | linuxstb | It may just look full-screen - it's 144x112 IIUC. |
| 14:53:29 | linuxstb | Hmm, seems there isn't support for horizontally-packed greyscale LCDs... |
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| 15:02:27 | nanok | linuxstb: reformated, seems to work |
| 15:02:48 | nanok | i will be back in the evening to state if that solved the problem or not |
| 15:03:18 | nanok | btw: has any work been done in the last few months on the fm part (mainly the autoscanning)? |
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| 15:07:53 | nanok | ooookay |
| 15:07:57 | nanok | forget about evening |
| 15:08:07 | nanok | it just happened again, but now it is different |
| 15:08:43 | nanok | it didn't crash, but it doesn't recover anymore, it jos goes on "crackling" instead of outputing "useful" sound |
| 15:08:56 | nanok | pause and play don't change anything |
| 15:09:04 | nanok | next song doesn't either |
| 15:09:31 | nanok | same thing for ogg and mp3 |
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| 15:10:04 | nanok | hm, shutdown takes unusually long.. |
| 15:10:29 | nanok | it plays normaly again, after reboot |
| 15:11:30 | nanok | i am starting to get worryed. could this be a hardware issue?.. :( |
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| 15:17:37 | control_your_pla | does anyone know something about RTC-Alarm on my h300 |
| 15:17:37 | control_your_pla | do i need a new bootloader? |
| 15:17:50 | nanok | hm, after the reboot, the third song and still going. as i said, it seems rather random. i will get back to you guys in the evening |
| 15:17:58 | nanok | i'll go shooting now |
| 15:18:21 | nanok | if it happens again, i think maybe i will start backtracking to an older version of rb, see if that helps |
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| 15:21:54 | Eren | hello folks |
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| 15:22:08 | Eren | is there any progress in iPod deep sleep support for 4g photo? |
| 15:22:23 | Eren | if doesn't could you suggest something to me? except for learning C at first :P |
| 15:22:47 | Domonoky | Eren: why should we do deep sleep on ipods ? shutting it of is better.. |
| 15:23:29 | Eren | Domonoky: shutting it down and booting takes so much time :) |
| 15:23:35 | BigBambi | And if you don't know C you will not be able to do it |
| 15:23:59 | Domonoky | but deep sleep uses battery... so i dont think its really usefull... |
| 15:24:22 | Eren | Domonoky: hmm |
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| 15:24:39 | Eren | BigBambi: I'll learn, I know python and I don't need C |
| 15:24:47 | Eren | I can do whatever I want with python |
| 15:25:00 | Eren | so for me, to learn something, I should need it |
| 15:25:01 | BigBambi | not in rockbox you can't |
| 15:25:02 | Domonoky | Eren: not for rockbox... for rockbox you will need c :-) |
| 15:25:15 | Eren | so, I'll learn C to hack rockbox |
| 15:25:19 | BigBambi | If you want to implement something in rockbox you need C |
| 15:26:02 | Eren | ok ok, I understand, and I think, you guys understand me? |
| 15:26:10 | BigBambi | not really, no |
| 15:26:55 | Eren | hm, basically, I should really need something to learn C, so I decided to hack rockbox |
| 15:27:26 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 15:27:33 | BigBambi | You mean you think you should know C, so you have decided to get involved with rockbox to help you learn? If so, good plan |
| 15:27:51 | Domonoky | Eren: i would recommend a small plugin to start rockbox hacking... not something deep in rockbox.. |
| 15:28:08 | Eren | BigBambi: no, I should hack rockbox, so I'll get involved in C :) |
| 15:28:53 | Eren | you guys don't understand :( I know python and it meets my needs very well, so I don't need C for general using and for this reason, I haven't learned C |
| 15:29:34 | BigBambi | Right, fine |
| 15:29:48 | Eren | now, I feel that if I'm obligated to learn C, I can start learning, so I decided to fix battery usage on rockbox |
| 15:29:54 | BigBambi | The point is if you want to do anything with rockbox, you need C as python is useless for it |
| 15:30:32 | Eren | yep, iPod just have 32Mb ram :( |
| 15:30:35 | Domonoky | Eren: and i would recommend to not start with something really hard, because then you will fail.. |
| 15:31:07 | Eren | Domonoky: I know basics, loops, if statements, veriables |
| 15:31:15 | Domonoky | so something like: "fix battery usage" isnt the right thing to start c hacking... |
| 15:31:47 | Eren | I think, memory management is hard, pointers etc. :\ |
| 15:35:55 | Eren | Domonoky: could you suggest some small plugins? |
| 15:38:57 | Domonoky | Eren: maybe select a little game to implement, it should be something you like, or else you will loose motivation... :-) take a look at other plugins on how to build plugins... |
| 15:40:12 | Eren | hm, maybe hello world application will motivate me :) |
| 15:40:35 | Eren | [/packages]> svn co http://svn.rockbox.org/trunk rockbox |
| 15:40:35 | Eren | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/trunk' |
| 15:40:35 | Eren | svn: PROPFIND of '/trunk': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.rockbox.org) |
| 15:41:22 | Domonoky | wrong url, check the wiki for the correct url... |
| 15:42:00 | Eren | hm, wiki page is named "UsingSVN" :) |
| 15:42:18 | BigBambi | yes |
| 15:42:44 | Eren | ok, getting the source, now I'm going to install toolchain for compiling rockbox |
| 15:43:10 | Domonoky | Eren: please stop commenting everything you do, and start hacking :-) |
| 15:43:37 | Eren | Domonoky: hahah, OK sir :P |
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| 15:45:35 | kugel | people |
| 15:45:37 | kugel | http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/12/1846256.shtml |
| 15:45:45 | kugel | wouldn't that be nice stuff for rockbox? |
| 15:46:47 | Nico_P | doesn't it require a pointing device and better resolution than our displays have? |
| 15:46:56 | Domonoky | kugel: i think the screens on the players are a bit small for this, and how would you control this with buttons ? |
| 15:47:15 | Eren | except for everything, this game sucks :\ |
| 15:47:33 | kugel | Domonoky: I just read that, didn't further think about yet |
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| 15:48:04 | kugel | I think, the screen resolutions in the 80s weren't much bigger than mp3-players resolution today |
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| 15:49:09 | Domonoky | kugel: the other problem: simcity isnt written in c.. |
| 15:50:04 | kugel | http://www.theinquirer.de/2008/01/13/simcity_1_ist_opensource.html according this is in c |
| 15:51:16 | * | Domonoky has read something about python and tc/tcl in simcity... but sure, if somewone wants to try to port it.. go forward.. :-) |
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| 15:52:39 | Nico_P | it's released under GPLv3 though |
| 15:52:59 | Domonoky | another problem.. :-) |
| 15:53:15 | Nico_P | the original version was in C but it has been updated to C++ and pyton |
| 15:53:24 | Nico_P | python* |
| 15:54:28 | DwaineBurroughs | I'm new and I wish to have access to post a theme. |
| 15:58:41 | * | pixelma forgot to mention the removal of a tab in midiplay.c while at it... |
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| 16:00:10 | Domonoky | DwaineBurroughs: and your wikiname is ? |
| 16:02:00 | DwaineBurroughs | I'm not sure. Isn't it suppose to be my first and last name? Is that what you mean? DwaineBurroughs |
| 16:02:06 | * | BigBambi is guessing "DwainBurroughs" :) |
| 16:02:13 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 16:02:22 | DwaineBurroughs | yeah :-) |
| 16:02:27 | BigBambi | except with an e of course |
| 16:02:43 | DwaineBurroughs | I've never used IRC before. This is new to me. |
| 16:03:26 | Domonoky | DwaineBurroughs: you have access now, promise not to spam ! :-) |
| 16:03:44 | DwaineBurroughs | No problem. Thanks! |
| 16:04:01 | Eren | hmm, PP5020 supports NTSC/PAL encoder, so Apple didn't implement TV output in iPod Photo, why these guys don't implement something supported by chip? |
| 16:04:17 | BigBambi | Ask them |
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| 16:05:51 | ender` | because they're Apple, and they know what their customers want |
| 16:11:28 | Eren | ender`: :) |
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| 16:26:11 | soap | where does it say the 5020 has TV out? |
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| 16:27:40 | Eren | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayer#PP5020 |
| 16:27:54 | Eren | soap: see the bottom links, original page is broken, you can download the pdf |
| 16:29:59 | soap | says "to _external_ NTSC/PAL encoder" |
| 16:30:57 | soap | a bashing of Apple for not putting CD-ROM ports on the player is equally valid. |
| 16:31:41 | Eren | ah, I missed it :) it says, it support directly connecting to an PAL encoder, sorry guys |
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| 17:01:53 | blueskip | Can I post a theme using a free powerpoint background, as in free to download? The site does not mention any restrictions on the image and gives links to dowload it freely. |
| 17:03:13 | Domonoky | blueskip: if there is no mention of licence, then you are not allowed to redistribute.. |
| 17:04:22 | blueskip | It says on the info page the images are royalty free, all they ask is I do not sell them. So it should be ok. |
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| 17:11:45 | pondlife | Nico_P: You said ".g. I guess we don't want information about progressbar and AA in a statusbar". |
| 17:12:03 | pondlife | Why not allow a progress bar? |
| 17:12:49 | pondlife | Why not allow a themeable status bar (or indeed any themeable screen part) to use any WPS tag. |
| 17:13:15 | Nico_P | pondlife: err, no reason in particular but I assumed it'd be something we wouldn't want to allow. I don't have anything against it though |
| 17:13:29 | pondlife | Should keep things simple to NOT restrict... |
| 17:13:37 | Nico_P | yeah probably |
| 17:13:53 | pondlife | Cool, just checking I'd not misunderstood. |
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| 17:22:04 | linuxstb | Eren: The ipod photo supports TV-Out with the Apple firmware... |
| 17:24:39 | * | Buschel does the next runtime test now (12MHz normal clock, but with GUI-boosting) |
| 17:25:01 | linuxstb | Buschel: How does the GUI boosting work? |
| 17:25:46 | Buschel | boost it when any button was pressed an unboost after timeout |
| 17:25:58 | Buschel | right now hardcoded after 4secs |
| 17:26:09 | linuxstb | OK, I thought there was talk of linking it with the backlight timeout. |
| 17:27:00 | Buschel | no, there was a thought about disabling WPS when backlight is off |
| 17:28:37 | Buschel | something like showing a black screen with "playback active" ore something like this. and re-enter the WPS with each button press |
| 17:30:55 | pixelma | that would be a pity IMO because at least the Video's and the Nano's displays are quite readable without backlight |
| 17:31:11 | pixelma | (and the greyscale ones too, of course) |
| 17:31:30 | linuxstb | Yes, only a few players have unreadable screens without backlight. |
| 17:31:51 | Buschel | yes, but with a user-option it would up the user, if he/she wants to see the WPS while backlight is off or if the runtime is more important |
| 17:32:21 | linuxstb | Without peakmeters, how much difference does it make? |
| 17:32:26 | Buschel | e.g. I do not use it. and don't forget about the blind users |
| 17:32:27 | pixelma | does it draw much power (i HAVE NO IDES)? |
| 17:32:42 | pixelma | oops, sorry for caps and typos |
| 17:33:00 | Buschel | on 5G it needs about 5MHz which equals 1-1.5mA −− that's a lot |
| 17:33:17 | soap | Can anyone explain to me where i do some noops (I believe) to try and "brute-force" a working PP5002 build? |
| 17:33:22 | linuxstb | Well, the 5G is an extreme case due to the LCD size. |
| 17:34:14 | Buschel | linuxstb: yes. but nevertheless this would be a solution for better runtime −− at least on 5G it will have a reasonable effect |
| 17:34:50 | pixelma | what does the OF do? |
| 17:35:04 | Buschel | i never used it :) |
| 17:35:06 | linuxstb | What about the smaller LCDs? |
| 17:35:19 | linuxstb | I'm just wondering if there's other solutions... |
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| 17:35:57 | Buschel | the WPS does 5fps, you can just reduce this. but then the updates look and feel jumpy |
| 17:36:27 | linuxstb | My gut feeling is just that if the WPS is taking too much CPU, it should be optimised, rather than disabled... |
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| 17:37:52 | amiconn | Buschel: Imo we should always update the wps, even if it costs a few percent of runtime |
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| 17:38:47 | amiconn | And the wps code used to use partial updates - if it no longer does, complain at Nico_P |
| 17:38:58 | amiconn | s/at/to/ |
| 17:39:05 | Nico_P | it still does |
| 17:39:16 | Buschel | amiconn: as default setting -> yes. but for better runtime an option would be fine. |
| 17:39:30 | amiconn | I disagree |
| 17:39:48 | Buschel | no problem. it's a free world ;o) |
| 17:40:15 | amiconn | soap: jhMikeS just said somewhere in main.c. I used app_main() (near the top), before the init() call |
| 17:40:33 | linuxstb | Buschel: What targets have these WPS tests been done on? Are there results anywhere? |
| 17:40:59 | * | Nico_P would be very interested in comparisons too |
| 17:41:02 | Buschel | linuxstb: i only know about 5G's (battery runtime site) |
| 17:41:06 | amiconn | If someone wants more runtime, he could always use a simplistic wps |
| 17:41:29 | pixelma | even an empty one... |
| 17:41:42 | amiconn | (no peakmeters, no progress bar, no playtime etc. And of course no gfx) |
| 17:42:28 | pixelma | maybe make it dependent on the hold switch |
| 17:42:40 | amiconn | Ah, or even better suggestion from pixelma: Make the fancy parts depend on the hold conditional |
| 17:42:55 | Buschel | that's another idea |
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| 17:43:09 | amiconn | Yes, which requires no coding... |
| 17:43:16 | pixelma | I mean a WPS that use it as a conditional |
| 17:43:44 | Buschel | pixelma: understood |
| 17:48:15 | Buschel | nico_p: the last time i've checked the WPS updates, the screen was _always_ drawn each HZ/5. independet of whether the displayed content changed |
| 17:48:24 | Buschel | sorry for typos |
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| 17:49:00 | Nico_P | Buschel: ah yes, that's true. It just doesn't recalculate everything |
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| 17:50:40 | Buschel | Nico_P: i would expect the screen updates only happening when the displayed content changed −− this should normally not occur each HZ/5. |
| 17:51:14 | Nico_P | it's hard to know whether screen contents have changed or not |
| 17:51:27 | Buschel | some time ago i played around with this and found (memory wasting) a solution which i've dropped |
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| 17:54:05 | amiconn | Nico_P: The old wps code had some flags for each line which indicated when this line could potentially change |
| 17:54:19 | Nico_P | it's still the same |
| 17:54:46 | amiconn | So why does the code no longer use this to specify an update rectangle? |
| 17:54:59 | JohnEK | With rockbox on my ipod, my car audio controls no longer work to control my ipod. (next/previous song, etc.) Is this a known problem? |
| 17:55:13 | soap | JohnEK, yes |
| 17:55:18 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't think it used to do that... I'm pretty sure the old code cleared the whole screen too |
| 17:55:39 | JohnEK | Thanks soap. Status? |
| 17:56:02 | soap | JohnEK, if you would be so kind as to either PM me in the forums, or fill out the following wiki page yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 17:56:45 | JohnEK | sure thing, thanks |
| 17:57:00 | soap | Well, Rockbox neither has a driver for the Apple's serial port (some of the pins in the dock connector) nor does Rockbox implement Apple's Accessory Protocol, so no data communication is going to happen between an iPod and an accessory. |
| 17:57:02 | Nico_P | amiconn: but maybe I'm confusing things... each interation of the main loop call display->update(), but some parts aren't modified |
| 17:57:15 | Nico_P | depending on the flags |
| 17:57:39 | amiconn | Yes, but iirc the old wps used display->update_rect() |
| 17:57:50 | soap | JohnEK, That being said - some accessories which use the line-out pins do work, and some don't. That wiki page is a work-in-progress attempt to help others by listing all the products which have been tested. |
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| 18:00:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: no, I just checked |
| 18:00:33 | JohnEK | soap, yeah it would seem someone has the same Audiolink ipod integration module as I do. Audio out and charging works...just not the controls |
| 18:00:52 | soap | thanks for looking, JohnEK |
| 18:01:27 | Nico_P | amiconn: my new WPS code was added in r13019 in cas you want to see the previous code for yoursefl |
| 18:01:29 | JohnEK | np |
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| 18:38:16 | soap | Buschel, I updated my unsupported build with your latest version of the patch. |
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| 18:52:42 | Buschel | soap: this will give some more testing depth! good idea and thanks for your support :o) |
| 18:54:20 | soap | we'll see - fist posted builds for all 502x targets last night. |
| 18:54:37 | soap | no downloads in the first 4 hours. :( can |
| 18:54:44 | soap | 't speak for the last 12 yet. |
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| 19:00:16 | Buschel | even though battery life is the holy grail? |
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| 19:05:25 | soap | so "they" say |
| 19:05:45 | soap | I'm not sure how much harder I can "pimp" the patch without violating forum guidelines. |
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| 19:08:31 | Buschel | well, delivering test builds is the absolute top of what could be done. hopefully there will be some feedback about testing results. (i am really interestedt in the result of the sansa-guy:) |
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| 19:11:40 | krazykit | you need a battery bench for the sansa? |
| 19:13:01 | soap | speak of the devil - new comment by "sansa-guy" ;) |
| 19:13:41 | soap | yea - 21 hours - I think you have beat Sansa stock. |
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| 19:14:51 | krazykit | last battery bench gave me 6 hours on my sansa (crappy battery on refurbs :/). let's try this out. |
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| 19:17:59 | Domonoky | Bagder: ping ! |
| 19:18:57 | Buschel | soap: interesting though that he only reached less runtime with 12MHz than with 24MHz. i expected more as flac should work @~13MHz |
| 19:19:24 | soap | I'm curious how much less - within testing margin of error? |
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| 19:20:52 | Buschel | soap: 21:28 (24MHz) -> 21:05 (12MHz) |
| 19:21:31 | eigma | what's the opposite of "simulator build"? "player build"? |
| 19:21:39 | soap | that's pushing margin of error if: A-different playlist B-didn't pay attention to charging |
| 19:21:51 | Buschel | maybe battery not fully loaded? difference is ~2% |
| 19:22:03 | Domonoky | eigma: target build ? or normal build.. |
| 19:22:07 | krazykit | soap, your sansa e200 build shows a messed up screen on the device: it looks like the screen is moved around and wraps. your build does that on two different e250s. i'm going to try with the official 16978 to see if it's your build or an official problem |
| 19:22:38 | krazykit | er, wrong r# typed, right in my head |
| 19:25:55 | eigma | is -DDEBUG supposed to work for a target build? I keep getting "debug undefined" link errors |
| 19:26:49 | soap | krazykit, no visual flaws on my Nano, will check Sansa in a minute. |
| 19:27:13 | krazykit | soap, the official build doesn't display this issue on the same hardware. |
| 19:27:26 | Domonoky | eigma: debug builds arent usefull for target builds on newer hardware, you can gdb on the target.. use logf for debug output on target.. |
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| 19:28:51 | eigma | Domonoky: okay.. I've got a patch that implements debug() for all ARM architectures through JTAG. |
| 19:28:54 | NumBeast_sal | What steps should I take to become a rockbox developer? |
| 19:29:39 | desowin | my sansa seems to have frozen gui with device_disables_v09.patch |
| 19:29:50 | krazykit | soap, um, but taking a screen dump doesn't show the issue, it seems |
| 19:30:05 | eigma | Domonoky: problem is that it becomes very slow if a hardware debugger isn't attached to drain the channel's FIFO.. so I want to make sure people don't enable -DDEBUG for a target build by accident and wonder why everything grinds to a halt |
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| 19:30:22 | desowin | oh, and after second boot it gets "moved" |
| 19:30:40 | soap | krazykit, I can confirm your issues with my sansa - trying the older build... |
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| 19:31:36 | soap | krazykit, I do not have the issue with the older build. |
| 19:31:39 | Domonoky | eigma: sounds nice... and it shouldnt be a problem, nobody uses debug builds on targets.. (only archos could be an exepction) |
| 19:32:07 | eigma | Domonoky: all right, I'll be committing within the hour |
| 19:32:59 | Domonoky | eigma: maybe make a patch on the tracker for review by the master hackers.. :-) |
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| 19:36:22 | soap | Buschel, I can confirm krazykit's finding that the screen is drawn wrong with v9 of your patch. |
| 19:37:01 | Buschel | soap: not with the v7? |
| 19:37:08 | Buschel | or v8? |
| 19:37:18 | soap | not with v8 |
| 19:37:29 | soap | the screen draws well, just it is "shifted" |
| 19:37:40 | desowin | with v8 I got this too |
| 19:37:45 | soap | it shifts again to a new place everytime I scroll |
| 19:37:56 | soap | shifts and wraps. |
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| 19:39:04 | soap | when the backlight goes out, and comes back on from a keypress, the screen is drawn correctly. |
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| 19:41:44 | eigma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8454 |
| 19:42:13 | BigBambi | NumBeast_sal: Pick something you want to work, dive into the code! Check out the for developers sections on the wiki |
| 19:43:51 | Buschel | soap: hmmm, could you change "#if 0" to "#if 1", activate the 12MHz setting (system-pp502x.c) and re-check this issue? |
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| 19:47:52 | soap | just change that 0 to a 1? |
| 19:48:11 | Buschel | soap: yep. the 12MHz line is active by default |
| 19:48:45 | soap | building |
| 19:49:37 | Buschel | soap: stop! the 24MHz is active. you need to comment it and activate the PLL_CONTROL for 12 MHz some lines below |
| 19:49:45 | Buschel | soap: sorry. |
| 19:50:28 | * | Buschel is having somethin to eat right now |
| 19:51:47 | soap | I'm going to need more hand-holding on that. |
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| 19:52:31 | krazykit | soap, i believe he means around line 240 |
| 19:52:34 | Buschel | soap: meal is not ready yet −− will take some minutes ;) |
| 19:52:42 | soap | comment out such as: |
| 19:52:43 | soap | //PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a220401; /* 24 MHz = (4/1 * 24MHz) / 4 */ |
| 19:52:58 | soap | and uncomment such as: |
| 19:52:58 | soap | PLL_CONTROL = 0x8a320401; /* 12 MHz = (4/1 * 24MHz) / 8 */ |
| 19:53:08 | Buschel | soap: perfect! :) |
| 19:53:22 | soap | building again |
| 19:53:38 | soap | krazykit, can you receive files via IRC? |
| 19:54:13 | krazykit | probably, but i'm building it now too with those changes |
| 19:55:12 | Buschel | meal is ready now −− will be back in about 20mins |
| 19:57:28 | soap | unless I messed up (trying again) - I have the same issues. |
| 19:58:45 | krazykit | soap and Buschel, that didn't fix it for me either. |
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| 20:08:43 | Buschel | hmmm |
| 20:10:13 | Buschel | do you only have this error while scrolling? |
| 20:10:44 | krazykit | it starts when you scroll and happens in the WPS as well |
| 20:10:47 | Sequin | I'm having trouble uninstalling rockbox. It gets stuck in a reboot loop when I connect to itunes in windows. Is there a way to wipe out everything so I can put apple software back on? |
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| 20:11:21 | Buschel | soap/krazykit: next try -> change line #157 in button.c to "#if 0" |
| 20:11:46 | Domonoky | Sequin: delete the .rockbox folder, and uninstall the bootloader, that should be all.. |
| 20:11:49 | Buschel | btw, on ipod video i do not have these issues... |
| 20:12:30 | Domonoky | Sequin: otherwise you can also "restore" it with itunes, then its also back to normal (restore will wipe everything) |
| 20:12:43 | krazykit | Buschel, with what i changed previously? |
| 20:13:03 | Buschel | yep |
| 20:13:40 | Sequin | I didn't install it on this ipod, so I don't know what the bootloader is. But I gathered the .rockbox folder is something you delete on the ipod. I can't get rockbox to stay up long enough to delete anything |
| 20:14:15 | Sequin | Domonoky: It won't boot for more than a second, then it restarts |
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| 20:15:05 | Domonoky | Sequin: reboot it into the apple os, and connect it to the pc.. ( how to : is in the manual) |
| 20:15:17 | Sequin | thanks |
| 20:16:05 | Buschel | soap/krazykit: stel (=user name) has got the same issues with his sansa. He just reported them on the patch tracker. |
| 20:16:32 | krazykit | Buschel, i got a build error. it was target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-e200.c right? and remove line 157 completely, replacing it with #if 0? |
| 20:17:08 | Buschel | krazykit: no, firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 20:17:22 | krazykit | ah, i'll try that then. |
| 20:19:09 | Buschel | i have the feeling there is something going wrong with the LCD interface when using 12MHz... |
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| 20:20:20 | TheDarkOne | rockbox is supposed to be able to do gapless playback, right? |
| 20:21:28 | krazykit | TheDarkOne, yes, with codecs that support it natively and properly encoded mp3s |
| 20:21:50 | TheDarkOne | what about for flac |
| 20:21:57 | krazykit | that falls under "natively" |
| 20:22:19 | TheDarkOne | because i'm running into it having about a 1 second gap between songs :/ |
| 20:22:31 | TheDarkOne | on an ipod 4th gen grayscale |
| 20:22:55 | krazykit | it could be a few things: the album isn't gapless to begin with or it was improperly ripped |
| 20:23:32 | TheDarkOne | well it runs gapless in winamp or xmms2 no problem |
| 20:23:48 | TheDarkOne | and this is for all albums |
| 20:23:51 | TheDarkOne | not just one |
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| 20:26:46 | krazykit | Buschel, nope, didn't fix it. i have to go now, though, but i'll be back in an hour or so, probably |
| 20:27:25 | Buschel | krazykit: thanks. i think i'll better rollback the patch to avoid further problems. |
| 20:31:11 | Buschel | soap: can you receive files via irc? |
| 20:31:40 | soap | I'm passive |
| 20:32:14 | Buschel | then I may ask you about a last test for a proper rollback of the patch? |
| 20:32:56 | Buschel | please use v9 and comment line #258 and uncomment line line #257 in system-pp502x.c |
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| 20:34:55 | soap | I will in 10-20 -> busy |
| 20:35:16 | Buschel | thanks a lot, i'll read the logs |
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| 20:45:04 | soap | Buschel, screen works. |
| 20:45:10 | soap | will test other later. |
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| 21:01:55 | Buschel | hi stel :) |
| 21:02:03 | stel | hi |
| 21:02:24 | stel | just looking through your comments |
| 21:03:25 | Buschel | just saw your comment, didn't see there were three logs in the 2nd bench |
| 21:04:58 | stel | yepp, the middle one was for mp3, i thought i deleted them after each test |
| 21:05:33 | stel | As for the menu problem if I remember correctly, the menus worked at 18Mhz but broke after that |
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| 21:06:08 | Buschel | stel: that's interesting new information... |
| 21:06:43 | Buschel | maybe the gui-boost doesn't work correctly for sansa? |
| 21:07:15 | stel | I had the same problem on v08 |
| 21:07:33 | Buschel | yes, v8 didn't have any gui-boost... |
| 21:07:54 | Buschel | stel: but on v8 only when selectin <24MHz, correct? |
| 21:08:40 | stel | No, 18MHz worked as well |
| 21:09:37 | Buschel | hmm, is DEV_INIT2 contained in the i/o port view in the engineering mode? |
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| 21:11:14 | Buschel | hmm, no. |
| 21:12:59 | stel | no, all I can see is DEV_EN, DEV_EN2 & DEV_EN3 |
| 21:14:57 | soap | Buschel, I gotta run - I will be back in ~2 hours. |
| 21:15:09 | Buschel | soap: see you tomorrow :) |
| 21:15:38 | Buschel | stel: can you add DEV_INIT2 to it? |
| 21:16:23 | stel | I think I'd need a bit of help with that? |
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| 21:19:02 | Buschel | stel: go to debug_menu.c, function dgb_ports and search for DEV_EN3. Then exchange DEV_EN3 and the inl(0x...) with DEV_INIT2 each |
| 21:20:21 | Buschel | found it? |
| 21:22:17 | stel | not yet, still looking |
| 21:25:24 | Buschel | stel: debug_menu.c can be found in apps/ and the line i am talking about is ~line #1180 |
| 21:25:41 | stel | got it, just compiling now |
| 21:25:41 | Buschel | stel: i have local changes though |
| 21:25:50 | Buschel | great:) |
| 21:27:25 | Buschel | stel: with a standar v9-patch you'll see 0x40000000 being set in DEV_INIT2 if boost is active |
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| 21:36:10 | Buschel | stel: when entering this menu it shall show 0x4.. and switch to 0x0.. after 4secs. pressing a button (also rotating scrollwheel) should set it to 0x4.. again. does this happen? |
| 21:36:13 | stel | Buschel: I'm getting C0001000 & 80001000, I don't know which one is boost |
| 21:36:38 | Buschel | stel: 0xc is boosted, 0x8 is unboosted |
| 21:37:07 | Buschel | stel: is the behaviour as described above? |
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| 21:40:23 | eigma | is there any way to build the codecs statically into rockbox.elf? |
| 21:40:25 | Buschel | stel: does it show 0xc0001000 after scroll wheel for 4secs, and then fall back to 0x80001000? |
| 21:40:46 | stel | Buschel: No, I only get the 0xc & 0x8 |
| 21:42:03 | Buschel | stel: when does it switch to 0xc? |
| 21:42:05 | JdGordon | eigma: dont tihnk so |
| 21:42:35 | stel | No, I can't see a pattern, boosting is happening all the time with or without using the wheel |
| 21:42:52 | eigma | JdGordon: mmkay, thanks for your comments on that patch btw |
| 21:43:04 | Buschel | stel: are you playing a song? then please pause it and go into the menu again |
| 21:43:04 | linuxstb | eigma: No, but anything's possible... |
| 21:43:08 | eigma | JdGordon: I'm trying to clean up my tree and get it ready for submission |
| 21:43:14 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 21:43:28 | eigma | linuxstb: can you take a quick look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8454 |
| 21:43:54 | JdGordon | eigma: are you still having a problem with all targets trying to compile the dsp code? |
| 21:44:08 | eigma | JdGordon: yeah, I haven't looked at a way to implement that in the Makefile |
| 21:44:31 | JdGordon | a simple way which might work is by adding it to the mr500's $toolset in configure |
| 21:44:47 | eigma | is there anything I need in .rockbox besides codecs/wav.codec to play *.wav? |
| 21:45:49 | JdGordon | no, that should be it' |
| 21:46:16 | stel | Buschel: OK, 0x8 is the norm, wheel doesn't change anything, but a button press does change it to 0xC for about 4sec |
| 21:46:55 | Buschel | stel: there we've got it. wheel activity doesn't boost on the sansa... |
| 21:50:14 | stel | Buschel: That makes sense now |
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| 21:51:37 | Buschel | stel: please make a new line after button-e200.c, line #229. then add "int_btn|=btn;" |
| 21:52:08 | eigma | dear god the default font is small on that 640x480 screen :S |
| 21:52:31 | JdGordon | haha yeah |
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| 21:55:00 | eigma | haha nice openocd message: |
| 21:55:01 | eigma | Error: target.c:1215 handle_target(): couldn't poll target. It's due for a reset |
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| 21:59:08 | stel | Buschel: under last_wheel_usec = usec; ? - That doesn't seem to have made any difference |
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| 22:03:07 | stel | wait a minute, it's working now, but it didn't work from powerup |
| 22:04:21 | Buschel | stel: at least we've found the main reason :o) as i've only got a ipod video i assume this failure is also valid for all non-4G-scrollwheel targets |
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| 22:05:14 | Buschel | I'll rollback the patch to 24MHz as long as there is no other good solution to detect scrollwheel activity |
| 22:05:24 | saratoga | Buschel: did you see the remarks in the tracker about voltage scaling? |
| 22:05:34 | Buschel | not yet |
| 22:05:58 | saratoga | if possible I would expect very large gains |
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| 22:07:44 | JdGordon | Buschel: what you trying to do with the wheel? |
| 22:07:57 | stel | Buschel: That code change worked, but it takes about 30 seconds to kick in from powerup |
| 22:08:29 | Buschel | jdgordon: i searched for a simple method to detect gui-interaction via button/wheel activity to boost/unboost the cpu |
| 22:08:54 | Buschel | stel: i cannot imagine why :/ |
| 22:09:58 | JdGordon | thats not really wanted... if the wheel doesnt work without boosting then the clock is too low... maybe add another unboosted state for when the backlight is off? |
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| 22:10:36 | Buschel | jdgordon: that's exactly what i want -> lowering the cpu clock a lot |
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| 22:10:56 | JdGordon | but have it at 30 when the light is on so the wheel works |
| 22:11:18 | JdGordon | actually, you could use the idle speed for that |
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| 22:16:44 | Buschel | stel: thanks for your support, I just rolled back the 12MHz + GUI-boost. |
| 22:17:00 | Buschel | saratoga: do you know how to change core-voltage? |
| 22:17:01 | stel | no problem, hope you can sort it.. |
| 22:19:57 | preglow | Buschel: nice work on the patch :) |
| 22:20:18 | Buschel | preglow: well, in fact my wife is starting to hate me :/ |
| 22:24:47 | preglow | i suppose it won't help if you tell here we all think it's a very nice patch? ;) |
| 22:24:51 | preglow | her |
| 22:25:14 | Buschel | she laughed ;o) |
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| 22:26:04 | stripwax_ | 21 hours? |
| 22:27:03 | bertrik | Buschel: I know how to change the core voltage |
| 22:27:19 | bertrik | do you have the AS3514 datasheet? |
| 22:27:34 | Buschel | betrik: no. is this also valid for ipods? |
| 22:28:12 | bertrik | I don't know, as far as I know, the AS3514 is part of the PP5022 and PP5024 chips |
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| 22:31:29 | linuxstb | No, just the PP5024. |
| 22:33:02 | bertrik | oh, ok |
| 22:33:22 | Buschel | betrik: then i cannot work on this as I've got none :( |
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| 22:40:14 | Buschel | Hmm, now I knwo why the 12MHz-clock lead to errorous scrolling on some targets. But I still wonder why stel's measurement of 21h runtime was nearly the same compared to 24MHz... I would have expected more runtime for flac... |
| 22:40:37 | Buschel | Nevertheless this makes the patch easier :) |
| 22:40:46 | saratoga | bertrik: how does one adjust the core voltage? |
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| 22:41:31 | saratoga | i would like to test it on teh Sansa |
| 22:41:35 | bertrik | the sansa e2xx basically has an AS3514 chip built in, which exposes a set of registers over I2C |
| 22:41:48 | bertrik | one of those registers controls the power management part |
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| 22:43:08 | Llorean | Buschel: Maybe it still needed to boost a lot to keep the buffer from underrunning just because it's always drawing the WPS still? |
| 22:43:14 | saratoga | bertrik: is that register already defined in rockbox? if so which is it |
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| 22:43:24 | saratoga | i would like to configure a build with it enabled and take current measurements |
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| 22:43:59 | * | bertrik is looking it up |
| 22:44:06 | saratoga | thank you |
| 22:44:28 | saratoga | i don't suppose we have any indication what voltage is needed for what clock speed, or am I going to have to figure that out myself? |
| 22:44:47 | Buschel | Llorean: but this would mean it would boost to an average of 24MHz... i thought flac decodes ~@13MHz, WPS wouldn't draw 11MHz −− hopefully. |
| 22:45:47 | Buschel | doesn't the pcf-chip do the power management stuff in the ipods? |
| 22:46:01 | stel | Buschel: Would it be worth me trying 18MHz? |
| 22:46:17 | Buschel | stel: if you would spend the time -> yes |
| 22:46:45 | stel | will do |
| 22:47:35 | amiconn | It does, but afaik we don't know which of the various voltage regulators regulates the PP power, and neither what voltages the PP chip requires at a certain clock |
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| 22:48:02 | * | amiconn doubts that the PP is built for that |
| 22:48:16 | bertrik | saratoga: add this line somewhere after i2c has been initialised: pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, 0x21, 3); |
| 22:48:26 | saratoga | amiconn: is this something that would be feasible to determine via brute force searching as was done for the dev_en registers? |
| 22:48:40 | saratoga | betrick: that does low voltage? |
| 22:48:50 | saratoga | do you have the command to go back to high voltage as well? |
| 22:48:51 | bertrik | you need to have #included "i2c-pp.c" and "as3514.h" |
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| 22:49:04 | amiconn | saratoga: You need to be very careful when playing with voltages... |
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| 22:50:02 | bertrik | I mean i2c-pp.h, not i2c-pp.c |
| 22:50:09 | * | Thundercloud WHAT THE HELL |
| 22:50:16 | trust | :o |
| 22:50:20 | saratoga | amiconn: I can current limit my power supply to just above what is needed for normal operations, hopefulyl that would avoid burning out anything too quickly |
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| 22:52:20 | Buschel | @DEV_EN-testers: btw, it would be interesting if the minimum startup configuration of the several registers which I found for ipod 5G could be tested and adapted for other targets as well. |
| 22:55:12 | bertrik | Buschel: I have been playing a bit with DEV_EN, I added a DEV_EN = 0xC4000134; in system_init inside the #if defined(SANSA_E200) section and so far it works well, but I haven't tried exhaustively to set bits to 0 yet |
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| 22:57:17 | bertrik | I'll do an exhaustive search this week and post it to FS #8379 |
| 22:58:02 | Buschel | bertrik: you could take the 5G's ones from my patch as basic start. the normal failures are: doesn't start, doesn't detect USB, no audio |
| 22:58:46 | Buschel | betrik: yes, good idea −− i'll merge it then. btw, there are only few bits left :) |
| 22:59:38 | bertrik | I took the value that was shown in the IO ports debug menu, removed the bits that were already set by each subsystem (I2C, I2S, etc) and started setting other bits to 0 |
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| 23:00:15 | Buschel | this what I've done, too. the DEV_INIT-register may be also of interest |
| 23:00:22 | Buschel | *registers |
| 23:00:52 | * | Buschel goes to bed −− see you! |
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| 23:04:45 | saratoga | betrik: I already did a search of all the dev_en bits |
| 23:04:54 | saratoga | i linked it from that tracker entry |
| 23:04:59 | saratoga | (on the sansa) |
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| 23:08:38 | bertrik | hmm, your examples disable 2 bits at once |
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| 23:09:19 | saratoga | bertrik: it disables all bits that can be disabled without causing the sansa to fail to boot |
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| 23:09:40 | bertrik | ok, I'll try them too. Had any luck with the undervolting? |
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| 23:10:01 | saratoga | no i won't have time to look at that until later tonight at the earliest, i'm still at work for a while yet |
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| 23:17:59 | saratoga | what is the issue holding up us committing cabbie to svn? |
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| 23:23:37 | saratoga | if someone could suggest whats missing, I can probably change the script to accomidate it |
| 23:24:44 | pixelma | saratoga: didn't check the patch but are the necessary changes done to make wpsbuild.pl include e.g. the gradient selector settings into the cfg files? |
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| 23:25:00 | pixelma | for colour targets |
| 23:25:22 | linuxstb_ | Why don't you just commit it as it is, and then we can clean it up and test whilst it's in SVN, prior to making it the default theme. |
| 23:25:47 | pixelma | I thought that's what he wanted... |
| 23:26:03 | ubercam | Hey all, I'm trying to add an FM preset to the Wiki and I see that I need to be "sponsored" before I can write to it... anyone willing? |
| 23:26:51 | linuxstb_ | What's your wiki name? |
| 23:27:01 | ubercam | CamSchultz |
| 23:27:54 | saratoga | linuxstb_: ok i will test out hte patch tonight and then commit it as a nondefault theme if it works, and then look into fixing the build perl script |
| 23:28:36 | linuxstb_ | ubercam: Done. |
| 23:28:45 | ubercam | thanks linuxstb_ |
| 23:28:50 | ubercam | I appreciate it |
| 23:29:24 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: I think a few things need to be done before making it the default theme - e.g. do we want to ship the required font in every rockbox.zip? |
| 23:29:38 | * | amiconn is puzzled by the latest commit |
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| 23:30:53 | rasher | amiconn: removing the untranslated strings? |
| 23:31:09 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:31:36 | Llorean | linuxstb_: I think there's no harm in including the font, if the theme is going to display automatically on first boot. I'd even say it's necessary to. |
| 23:31:51 | saratoga | linuxstb_: are fonts particularly large when compressed? |
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| 23:32:03 | rasher | amiconn: It seems some language files were run through genlang at some point, resulting in these strings. If a new translator then did the same, these ones wouldn't be marked as needing attention (since genlang removes all ### comments) |
| 23:32:19 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: No, it's just something else that needs to be done to the build system. |
| 23:32:42 | amiconn | Ah, hmm |
| 23:32:45 | rasher | Unless he noticed them before running genlang. I don't really see any point in keeping those. |
| 23:33:04 | saratoga | linuxstb_: I'm sorry, I don't understand |
| 23:33:15 | saratoga | is the current system unable to specify which font goes with a theme? |
| 23:33:20 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: "make zip" needs to put the required font in the zip file. |
| 23:33:29 | linuxstb_ | Currently, "make zip" doesn't include any fonts. |
| 23:33:40 | Bagder | there's already a build fullzip option that includes all fonts |
| 23:33:44 | linuxstb_ | (make fullzip includes all fonts)... |
| 23:33:47 | rasher | amiconn: The strings are taken from english.lang anyway when missing, so what good did they do? |
| 23:33:49 | saratoga | i didn't realize that |
| 23:33:57 | rasher | I may be missing something.. |
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| 23:35:03 | J3TC- | Hrmm..anyone tried the multifont patch on current svn? |
| 23:35:29 | Bagder | btw, rockbox for the sansa e200 is now downloaded almost as much as the ipod video from the build.rockbox.org site |
| 23:35:59 | Bagder | 12600 vs 13600 |
| 23:36:06 | Bagder | so far in january I should say |
| 23:36:09 | linuxstb_ | I wonder how many of those were Classic owners.... |
| 23:36:13 | stripwax_ | heh |
| 23:36:20 | rasher | The woot effect? |
| 23:37:59 | Bagder | not only woot, the sansas have been sold (out) rather aggressively lately |
| 23:38:33 | * | linuxstb_ still hasn't seen one in a shop in the UK, apart from the airport... |
| 23:38:50 | Bagder | a fast runner-up is the c200 |
| 23:38:52 | linuxstb_ | (a bricks and mortar shop that is) |
| 23:38:57 | Bagder | now more downloaded than the h300 |
| 23:39:19 | rasher | This calls for graphs. |
| 23:39:26 | Bagder | indeed ;-) |
| 23:39:36 | J3TC- | Ah...nvm...I forgot to commit another viewport patch :3 |
| 23:39:36 | amiconn | If I had to choose between c200 and e200, I'd always prefer the former |
| 23:40:44 | amiconn | rasher: Our languages are that large these days? |
| 23:41:04 | * | amiconn remembers the time when 6KB were sufficient... |
| 23:41:08 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Did the Player user upgrade this month? ;) |
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| 23:41:26 | * | Bagder digs deep in the logs |
| 23:41:29 | amiconn | Probably due to thai needing several bytes per char due to utf-8 |
| 23:41:34 | rasher | amiconn: Oops, forgot to check the actual size - I meant to do that before committing. That size is just what Harry Tu suggested in the flyspray entry. |
| 23:41:51 | Bagder | actually, 348 player downloads |
| 23:42:05 | J3TC- | patch: **** malformed patch at line 60: @@ -173,6 +195,9 @@ <−−- anyone know what that means? :3 |
| 23:42:10 | Bagder | that's more than recorder, m45 and h100 ... |
| 23:42:13 | Bagder | m5 |
| 23:42:16 | amiconn | We even had a player bug report this month, which I fixed... |
| 23:42:28 | rasher | amiconn: Which size do I check? The filesize of the largest .lng, or something else? |
| 23:42:47 | J3TC- | The patch seemed fine but I'm just curious what this malformed patch thing :3 |
| 23:42:50 | amiconn | (in the forum, not the tracker) |
| 23:42:55 | Bagder | not a single ondio fm download ;-) |
| 23:43:25 | rasher | Wouldn't it make sense to set the lang buffer size per-target, since we have differing sizes now? I imagine some of the archoses have smaller language files. |
| 23:43:55 | Bagder | uh, wrong of me I can't read, 43 ondio fm, 22 ondio sp downloads |
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| 23:44:10 | rasher | Some more work of course, but presumably it could be done pretty much automatically? |
| 23:44:26 | rasher | Might even be decided at build-time? |
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| 23:44:43 | Bagder | rasher: makes sense, yes |
| 23:44:51 | amiconn | The question is how to determine this information. It would also mean that .lng files need to be built before the the main binary |
| 23:44:52 | pixelma | Bagder: there aren't any Ondio backlight builds available for download ;) |
| 23:45:01 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:45:40 | rasher | amiconn: yeah, it'd take some moving around, but it's one less thing to worry about. And it will save some room (on all targets, really) |
| 23:45:45 | * | amiconn believes that only 2 backlight-modded Ondios exist on earth |
| 23:45:51 | pixelma | not funny - there are 8MB recorder builds :P |
| 23:46:04 | Bagder | the 8mb recorder builds were downloaded 144 times |
| 23:46:08 | pixelma | amiconn: and a half... |
| 23:46:13 | amiconn | The 8MB mod was done by more than 2 people back then |
| 23:46:16 | Bagder | that's more than all regular ondios combined! ;-) |
| 23:47:15 | saratoga | will anything bad happen if i change CPUFREQ_MAX from 80MHz to something a little lower during testing? |
| 23:48:18 | * | amiconn curses the fnarfbargle.com build server |
| 23:48:24 | rasher | But yeah, someone with knowledge of the build system could: 1) Make .lng files be build before Rockbox proper. 2) Generate a headerfile with the size of the largest .lng file. |
| 23:48:48 | pixelma | a big language buffer increase :( |
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| 23:49:28 | amiconn | rasher: That script could also sort out some unsuitable .lng files for charcell (just an idea) |
| 23:49:43 | rasher | Does any of you know which target has the largest .lng files? I don't really fancy downloading (or building) all targets to find out |
| 23:50:02 | Bagder | thai needs 14064 on the player |
| 23:50:04 | Bagder | bytes |
| 23:50:10 | linuxstb_ | rasher: Don't you build all the sims? |
| 23:50:10 | Bagder | rasher: I can do a scan... |
| 23:50:21 | amiconn | Thai needs 0 bytes on the player, because it won't work at all |
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| 23:50:35 | rasher | linuxstb_: I do, but I don't keep them around locally |
| 23:51:05 | amiconn | Player can do all latin-based and cyrillic-based languages, plus greek |
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| 23:51:40 | amiconn | All others are out of reach, except perhaps japanese (as halfwidth-katakana version, which would need to be specially prepared in japanese.lang) |
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| 23:52:21 | Kyin01 | hi |
| 23:52:24 | amiconn | And even that would only work on "newplayers" (which are the vast majority of all players built, I think) |
| 23:52:41 | Bagder | 22843 bytes is the biggest thai.lang |
| 23:52:56 | Bagder | h300 |
| 23:53:13 | Bagder | thai is the biggest language (by far) |
| 23:54:03 | Kyin01 | Does all the rockbox able players allow you to transfer songs without any 3rd party program (UMS) if you change the firmware to rockbox? |
| 23:54:15 | Bagder | greek is #2 |
| 23:54:19 | Llorean | Kyin01: Yes. |
| 23:54:22 | amiconn | That's because it's alphabet based, and its characters use high code points |
| 23:54:25 | Bagder | 19520 is the biggest greek |
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| 23:54:34 | Kyin01 | is that a new feature? |
| 23:54:39 | amiconn | Yeah, same thing applies to greek, just that code points are not that high |
| 23:54:43 | Bagder | 17699 is the biggest russian |
| 23:54:49 | Llorean | Kyin01: No... it's always been this way. |
| 23:55:04 | Bagder | and they're all on the h300 |
| 23:55:20 | Kyin01 | oh, i had an iriver h10 20GB and i was never able to find how to do that |
| 23:55:42 | Kyin01 | is it an option inside the player when you have it turned on? |
| 23:55:57 | amiconn | Kyin01: Hold Select while powering on |
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| 23:56:06 | linuxstb_ | Kyin01: On the H10 you have to use the original firmware's UMS mode. |
| 23:56:13 | amiconn | This is not even a rockbox feature, its a feature of the OF |
| 23:56:15 | Bagder | the smallest language is afrikaans... :-P |
| 23:56:25 | Bagder | they can't have many translated phrases left |
| 23:56:36 | amiconn | And depending on what H10 you have, you could install an ums firmware variant |
| 23:56:42 | Kyin01 | because im thinking of getting an ipod (because the x5 cant be found on ebay) and i want to make sure that when i install rockbox I DON'T have to use itunes or any other 3rd party programs |
| 23:57:19 | rasher | Bagder: so 25000 is a bit large.. |
| 23:57:32 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:57:35 | JohnEK | I've looked at a few different wps tag documents and cannot find one which describes how to use album art in a wps. Is there an up-to-date document somewhere? |
| 23:57:59 | Kyin01 | and ive used my friend's ipod orignal firmware apple has on it, with rockbox i can browse by folders and ID3 tags right? and when im done browsing i can instantly go back to the "Now Playing" screen and not have to wait like the ipod firmware? |
| 23:58:12 | pixelma | JohnEK: probably the AlbumArt wiki page |
| 23:58:17 | Llorean | Kyin01: It works just like it did on the H10, yes. |
| 23:58:42 | rasher | Bagder: Does 23500 sound reasonable? Should work for a while (or until someone automates the process) |
| 23:58:44 | Kyin01 | lastly can the rockbox ipod play .m3u or .pls? |
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