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#rockbox log for 2008-01-15

00:00:13KeripoLlorean: the link in the manual is the same as the one on the wiki. I was just wondering if there were daily svn builds but I guess they're stable enough that they don't get updated often.
00:01:33LloreanYou should always use the links in the manual, even if a newer one is "available" unless a dev specifically tells you not to use the one in the manual because it hasn't been updated yet.
00:02:01LloreanThe wiki can be edited by anyone, but the manual lists "the version we support", and in the case of the bootloaders, "the version that works right, as far as we know"
00:02:21KeripoLlorean: Understood and thanks for the clarification
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00:07:14jhMikeSamiconn: I've seen some strange things on H120 with greyscale and the buffered drawing that I didn't see earlier. It appears some pixels are duplicated to the left and others are skipped. You might see it when mpegplayer is playing and showing the OSD but not when mpegplayer is paused. I haven't tracked down the commit where it started.
00:08:43amiconnI've seen that effect too, but I thought it would be due to a font where not all digits are equally wide, in conjunction with an unsuitable drawmode for the text
00:09:40jhMikeSthere seems to be a shift left of the whole display by 1 pixel actually...images and all
00:10:18amiconnHmm, but the font I'm using doesn't have unequal digit widths...
00:10:46jhMikeSI'm using the system font. This effect wasn't there when I first coverted to use buffered mode.
00:11:34amiconnI had that with your very first version, but only on H180, not on mini
00:11:46amiconn(I'm using different fonts on those)
00:13:03amiconnDoes 'pause' unboost?
00:13:13*amiconn has a suspicion
00:13:22jhMikeSvideo thread activity always boosts
00:13:33jhMikeSso pause, stop, etc. do unboost
00:14:00amiconnHmmm.... so it's the old problem of the first transfer after switching to data mode is ignored
00:14:32amiconn1 simple 'nop' after the gpio manipulation in lcd_grey_data() should fix that... but I'll do some tests first
00:14:58amiconnI had that effect in lcd_write data() as well when optimising too much
00:16:28*amiconn will check things on sim & mini first
00:16:57jhMikeSA screendump turns out perfectly normal
00:19:03asnDo I need all the pacman.<insertrandomnumberhere> files to play Pacbox? I found a Midway Pacman rom and it only contained pacman.6*
00:19:30stripwaxseems selected_item is not enforced to be a multiple of selected_size!
00:19:50amiconnWhy should it?
00:20:57Lloreanasn: It's illegal to download pacman roms from the internet.
00:21:22stripwaxamiconn - hm, because I think that would fix the bug?
00:21:34LloreanThe files pacbox needed are listed. It needs them all, and they need to match exactly what is expected.
00:21:42asnLlorean: Thank you.
00:21:44amiconnIt would make the list less flexible
00:22:12stripwaxi.e. for the file properties, where every entry is spread onto two lines, why would it make sense to select items #1 and #2 as a pair (rather than #0 and #1, which are actually related)
00:23:02stripwaxAh, is the size of an entry a property of the individual row (rather than a property of the whole list)?
00:23:04amiconnNot for that list, but maybe for others
00:23:53stripwaxit's impossible to select odd numbers on the first pass through the list, and impossible to select even numbers on the second pass through the list. For which lists will this behaviour make sense?
00:24:03amiconnI'm not 100% sure, but I can imagine situations where it may be useful
00:24:03JdGordon|wstripwax: yeah, the item count is the number or rows to display...
00:24:46stripwaxyep, and the size of the selection isn't being used correctly when the list wraps
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00:24:59stripwax^when the *user* wraps from one end of the list back to the ohter
00:25:21JdGordon|wyeah, that sounds like a bug though
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00:25:27stripwaxWell, I think so too ..
00:25:37stripwaxBut fixing it will make other lists less flexible?
00:25:46JdGordon|wI dont think so
00:26:10stripwaxhm? amiconn just said ..
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00:27:27*JdGordon|w cant think of any situations where it would be useful...
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00:27:57JdGordon|wbut it can still be fixed so you could manually select an odd item while scrolling will select the correct one
00:28:13JdGordon|wlook at guilist_select_at_offset.. the bug should be there
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00:28:41stripwaxit is,
00:29:34stripwaxI think
00:29:46JdGordon|wmost likely..
00:30:00JdGordon|wiirc thats the only thing that can directly change the selection
00:30:19stripwaxthat or put_selection
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00:30:37JdGordon|wput_selectionon_Screen doesnt change the selection though...
00:30:40JdGordon|wjust the start tiem
00:30:54*JdGordon|w going by memory here
00:31:03*stripwax goes and looks
00:34:04J3TC-Hold shutdown patch still works :3
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00:38:43Nico_PGodEater: have you noticed that the skipping bug happens more on large dirs than small dirs?
00:41:19amiconnjhMikeS: Hrmmm, seems the main loop in lcd_grey_data() is now too fast at 124MHz :/
00:41:44amiconnBut I wonder why; lcd_write_data is faster - and yet it's not too fast...
00:42:14amiconnMaybe I need to better interleave the lcd writes with the memory accesses
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00:43:52amiconnIt almost looks like some pixel columns are duplicated while others are dropped (at 124MHz)
00:44:13jhMikeSthat what I think I'm seeing too
00:45:45jhMikeSIt appears to be perhaps every four pixels
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00:47:35*stripwax wishes for a faster laptop... builds take forever..
00:48:23*stripwax gives up and goes to bed..
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00:53:20joshinNitro tha CiMien
00:53:48*pixelma discovers that she can now read the status line in greyscale mpegplayer with a widescreen video and is impressed :)
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01:02:33amiconnRe-ordering instructions does help... I need more registers though
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01:02:52amiconnPerhaps I only need one (right now I use 2)
01:07:01Nico_Pamiconn, jhMikeS: is there a simple way I can underclock my gigabeat?
01:07:44*amiconn has no idea about the gigabeat hardware
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01:10:59*jhMikeS wanted to try overclocking his a bit
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01:14:02Nico_PjhMikeS: any idea how to?
01:14:10jhMikeSNico_P: S or f?
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01:14:29Nico_PI'd like to try reproducing thr playback skipping issues
01:15:23jhMikeSNico_P: it's quite involved to change the clocking since the peripherals must follow. the datasheet gives all the info. it's not like I memorized everything. :)
01:16:45Nico_Pah :(
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01:37:39Kingsley90210I just installed RockBox for my Sansa e200, and I was just wondering where to put my roms for rockboy =/
01:39:21krazykitanywhere you want
01:39:43Kingsley90210Does it come with the auto install, or what?
01:40:13krazykitall the plugins are included with the install. we cannot tell you how to find the ROMs, as they are copywrited material
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01:42:22Kingsley90210Well, I know that.
01:42:39Kingsley90210It's homebrew anyway
01:42:58Kingsley90210So I just put it anywhere in the .rockbox directory>
01:43:33krazykitthat isn't really the ideal place, since you can't browse there in "supported files" viewing mode. you CAN put it there, but anywhere else is fine too
01:44:26Kingsley90210Alright, thanks for the help
01:46:00Kingsley90210Oh, one more dumb question. Where is rockboy located from the root menu?
01:46:56cool_walking_You can't run Rockbox directly, it is only a viewer.
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01:47:30cool_walking_You "play" a gameboy rom to start it.
01:47:33Kingsley90210I fell like such a loser...
01:47:46Kingsley90210Thank you.
01:49:39asncool_walking_: help me understand that, please ^.^ Shouldn't there be a viewer binary that associates with the .gb or whatever files?
01:50:20cool_walking_aah yes there is
01:50:31cool_walking_Do you want the actual physical file?
01:50:53asnWell, I'm just wondering how it works. But yes, where is the actual physical file?
01:50:56cool_walking_It's in /rocks/viewers/
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01:52:24cool_walking_.rockbox/viewers.config tells rockbox which viewers to open which files with
01:52:39asncool_walking_: and .rock files are rockbox binaries?
01:52:46cool_walking_took me while to realise why "/viewers.config tells..." wasn't appearing
01:53:00cool_walking_they're plugins
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01:53:23asnNow I understand.
01:53:38asnThank you very much, cool_walking_ !
01:53:54cool_walking_You're welcome
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02:02:22amiconnjhMikeS: Try my latest commit :)
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02:11:01jhMikeSmuch better
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02:23:20*amiconn is still puzzled that the sdram is so incredibly slow on cf, unlike on pp
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02:39:53cool_walking_I wrote a crappy connect 4 plugin. Right now it has crappy graphics that I drew in kolourpaint, so I wanted to steal (legally) these ( Would it be too much of a waste of space to include that backgroud image of the entire gradient-ey board (there'd have to be one for each screen size)? Or is there a nicer way to get that awesome grad
02:41:39LloreanYou could always just use a little simple math.
02:41:55LloreanYou wouldn't get an identical gradient, but you could come up with something
02:42:06LloreanThat being said, plugins aren't too concerned about space as long as it fits in the plugin buffer.
02:42:23cool_walking_How big is that?
02:42:44Llorean512k on every target with a color screen.
02:42:50LloreanBut that includes the size of the plugin itself
02:45:28cool_walking_How does the only-loaded-when-plugin-is-run thing work with /apps/plugins/bitmaps/ ?
02:46:29LloreanBitmaps are actually compiled into the .rock file.
02:46:33LloreanSo it still works the same.
02:46:54cool_walking_ahh okay
02:47:26cool_walking_How does it do that?
02:48:00|404|mmm...10 patches and it compiled smoothly
02:48:02LloreanThe build system has some magic in it that I don't really understand.
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02:48:12|404|Too bad it doesn't have bmp resize
02:48:17cool_walking_Well it's comforting to know that you don't understand it :)
02:48:42LloreanWell, I've never looked into it. I just know it's there, and as long as you declare them properly, the magic takes care of all the work.
02:48:49LloreanLook at, I dunno, probably Jewels, for a good example
02:49:09crzyboysterWhat has been going on with the WPSLIST settings? Has someone actually investigated them so that the default theme can actually be commited?
02:49:27hcsamiconn: I'm charging it, so I was only able to get at iPod_Control/Device, says boardHwRev: 0x00000000 (0.0 0)
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02:51:17Lloreancrzyboyster: It's not the default theme yet. It's still Cabbie 2.0 until it's committed and everything is changed.
02:52:02hcsamiconn: and rockbox says LCD type: 0, so what can I do?
02:52:52crzyboysterI meant to say that. So has anyone actually investigated the WPSLIST settings?
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02:56:51LambdaCalculus37Evening, boys!
02:57:32crzyboysterLambda: Hey!
02:57:51crzyboysterrasher: What has been going on with the site?
02:58:26LambdaCalculus37Who's around that has seen some TMS320-based players?
02:58:30*scorche wonders why he is asking rasher
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03:22:03LambdaCalculus37I think there's something a little unusual about the Dell DJ chipset.
03:24:48saratogawhats with the D2 commit? who is "rob" and why doesn't he have a full name
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04:19:45Mouser_XHow do I "run"
04:20:07Mouser_XI'm still attempting to get a build environment going for building Rockbox.
04:20:12cool_walking_just type the path to it
04:20:20hcsMouser_X: sh or ./
04:20:20Mouser_XI did.
04:20:30cool_walking_if it's in the current directory, you have to prefix it with "./", like ./
04:20:38Mouser_XAh, that'd be it.
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04:22:07Mouser_XShould I run it from within "rockbox/tools" or should I move it out to "../rockbox/tools" ?
04:22:22Mouser_XAlso, how do I give it the necessary permissions?
04:22:52cool_walking_chmod +x /path/to/
04:23:25cool_walking_I don't think it matters where you run it from, but ran it from the trunk
04:23:53cool_walking_or did i?
04:23:56cool_walking_I can't remember...
04:24:05cool_walking_Just do whatever the wiki says
04:24:58krazykitMouser_X, it doesn't matter where you run it from.
04:26:05Mouser_Xkrazykit: Thanks. I'm asking here, because I've never seen a wiki page for setting it up in Linux (if there is one, I'd be happy to read from it).
04:26:43krazykitMouser_X, it's essentially the same as the install from cygwin
04:27:09Mouser_XWith cygwin, you have to do a bunch of install stuff, and select packages, and etc.
04:27:30Mouser_XI tried to follow that, but I couldn't find the packages etc.
04:27:43krazykitwell, it depends on what distro you're using
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04:28:24krazykithave you installed build-essential ?
04:29:38Mouser_Xsafteydan told me to do that last night.
04:30:08krazykitso you should be able to simply run the script and add it to your $PATH and be done with it
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04:30:41cool_walking_I think all you have to do on Linux is just check out SVN, run, and then add the cross-compilers to your path.
04:31:50Mouser_XI've done "chmod +x" and it's still not working (I copied it to my "home" or "root" or whatever that top directory is). Also, I don't know how to add stuff to my $PATH.
04:32:25krazykitwhat happens when you try to run the script?
04:33:39Mouser_X"WARNING: this script is set to install in /usr/local but has no"
04:33:59krazykittry running it with sudo
04:34:05cool_walking_okay, do "sudo ./"
04:34:15cool_walking_I'm just going to stop talking
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04:35:42Mouser_XIt's working now. I did "a" for arm. I've got a Gigabeat and a Sansa, so that should be all I need, right?
04:36:22countrymonkeyI heard that rockbox merchandise exists. Is this true?
04:36:38JETC-That'd rock.
04:36:40cool_walking_I don't remember which targets have which processor, but if told you that, then it's true
04:37:03krazykitMouser_X, yes, that's all you need
04:38:03krazykitMouser_X, if you want to build simulators, you'll need libsdl1.2-dev
04:38:50Mouser_XGigabeat wasn't in the list, that's why I was asking. I knew it was ARM, but I wanted to be sure. Where would I get libsdl1.2-dev?
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04:40:50cool_walking_apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev
04:40:59cool_walking_err.. sudo
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04:42:47countrymonkeyIs it true that rb merchandise exists? If so, where do I get it?
04:43:05krazykitcountrymonkey, you don't need to repeat yourself
04:43:31Mouser_XHave you attempted a Google search for "Rockbox Merchandise" ? If not, it can't hurt.
04:43:52krazykitcountrymonkey, consider searching the forums (or reading the Announcements forum)
04:44:03cool_walking_I saw some photos of devs wearing t-shirts
04:44:15cool_walking_maybe they had them made up especially for the meetup, though.
04:44:22Mouser_XThose are very often event specific.
04:45:17countrymonkeyI knew I wasn't dreaming!
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04:47:10countrymonkeyAlthough it is stated in the topic it is just a trial period sort of thing. Is it still going on?
04:47:28krazykitfollow the link. if you can still buy stuff, it's still going on.
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04:55:08countrymonkeyNow we have them, I don't see the benifites of target-specific voices unless they are all on the dev side of things.
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05:16:56Lloreancountrymonkey: The benefit is that they're on average much smaller than a universal voice file. How can you not see that as a benefit?
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05:55:55ddaltonBagder: around?
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06:16:38ddaltonJdGordon: around?
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06:17:42ddaltonum well I just have a quick question. If I say I will do a port and get the docs for the cpu off someone do I then need to do the port?
06:18:00ddaltonsome things have happened in my life and I have very little time to code on rb...
06:18:10soapIf you don't, Rockbox will hire some goons and track you down and break your knees.
06:19:00ddaltonno I mean like will the devs start getting annoyed at me since I have had other things come up stopping me from been able to do the port?
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06:20:10JdGordonddalton: we could never get annoyed at you... we are too nice
06:23:39ddaltonok well I just didn't want to annoy anyone. especially bagder since he gave me the docs and aliask because he was helping me. and I said I would do it. but now I think about it is almost imposible with out sight and I assume a port takes a lot of time?
06:24:01ddaltonand sadly I don't have that time. But I would still help out with if I could...
06:34:14|404|Hrmm...anyone familiar with progressbar slider patch?
06:35:42JdGordonddalton: I was joking by the way... when I come back i will arrange a hitman to get you!!!
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06:44:58ddaltonjdgordon: lol
06:45:52JdGordonno joke... im serious!
06:46:19ddaltonyep sure. how ya going to find me? if you found out my address from don't say it
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06:48:43ddaltonJdGordon: you want me to do the port?
06:50:04ddaltonJdGordon: talk to me!
07:00:04ddaltonhey JdGordon: still here?
07:00:56ddaltonanyone here good with the wps context menu?
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07:27:37Mouser_XWhat path would I need to add for the arm-elf GCC stuff?
07:27:49Mouser_XI used the shell script to install it.
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07:28:26scorcheMouser_X: doesnt it say after ends?
07:29:00Mouser_XYes it does, but when I used nano to open the file, it cleared the terminal. I wasn't expecting that...
07:29:19cool_walking_it was /usr/local/arm-something/bin/
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07:30:36Mouser_X"/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" ?
07:30:55Mouser_X(I can see that all of those exist, at least.)
07:31:55cool_walking_all of those?
07:32:10cool_walking_did you post multiple paths and your internet is weird again?
07:32:12Mouser_XThose directories, in that order.
07:32:21cool_walking_I only see you posting "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin"
07:32:23ddaltonMouser_X: same as the one in step for of the cygwin stuff...
07:32:25ddaltonone moment.
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07:34:23ddaltonhere is my path if you would call it a path. just add the arm stuff to the end of your's forget the other stuff.
07:34:36ddaltonwait that didn't work!
07:34:41ddalton PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/arm-elf\/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/bin:/bin/speakup"
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07:35:14cool_walking_Yeah but Mouser_X only installed the arm compiler.
07:35:50ddaltonyes thats why I said to just add the arm stuff. I would assume he wouldn't have /bin/speakup dir too. :-)
07:36:22ddaltonso before the last quote you add a :
07:36:55ddaltonthen you add straight after the :
07:38:45ddaltonok I think its :/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
07:39:01ddaltondid that work?
07:40:34Mouser_XI was busy. It looks right, I'll add it, but I need to know what to put to add it... Isn't it "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/" ?
07:40:55cool_walking_just PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/
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07:41:17Mouser_XAh. And put that anywhere in the .bashrc file?
07:41:26ddaltonwell yes that could work...
07:41:34cool_walking_yep, anywhere not inside a conditional
07:41:34ddaltonbut edit /etc/profile
07:41:43ddaltonwhat distrobution?
07:42:03Mouser_Xxubuntu. I couldn't find a "/etc/profile"
07:42:20ddaltonafter the else in this if statement.
07:42:21ddaltonif [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
07:42:41cool_walking_apparently ( ) it's .bash_profile you want, not .bashrc
07:43:08ddaltonok hang on
07:43:25Mouser_Xcool_walking_: That file doesn't exist.
07:43:28ddalton$cat /etc/profile
07:43:32cool_walking_If you edit /etc/profile instead, it'll be system-wide, instead of just for your user.
07:43:33Mouser_X(I tried already)
07:43:56ddaltonplease tell me output of that command with out the "$"
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07:44:46*ddalton Starts to wonder where ubuntu stores its paths. His glad his on debian
07:45:14ddaltonok wait
07:45:22Mouser_XText. Apparently it does exist, but I didn't see it when I looked for it...
07:45:23cool_walking_if you edit /etc/profile instead of .bash_profile, it'll be system-wide instead of just for your user
07:45:47cool_walking_oh yeah... any file/folder starting with a dot (.) is hidden by default in Unix
07:46:09Mouser_XYes, I know. "/etc/profile" has no "." in it.
07:46:30cool_walking_I accidentally closed the tab so wasn't sure what file we were talking about
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07:46:41ddaltonI have some recovery bash scripts I wrote in /bin/speakup change /bin/speakup to the location of arm-elf. I told you arm-elf's location before. add the following line in .bashrc:
07:46:45ddaltonexport PATH=$PATH:/bin/speakup
07:47:02cool_walking_you don't need the "export" in there
07:47:21cool_walking_I don't think it'll do any harm, but you don't need it.
07:47:58ddaltonit works for me so I would do what I said.
07:48:12ddaltonand your not using x are you?
07:48:38cool_walking_"export" just means the variable will be available in any sub-processes you open
07:48:56cool_walking_I'm on Windows right now
07:49:28ddaltonno mouser_x
07:49:34ddaltonor however you spell it. sorry.
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07:50:40cool_walking_Mouser_X: after changing the file, you'll have to close and open the shell for it to take effect.
07:52:08ddaltona /home/user_name/.bashrc won't work will it?
07:52:17Mouser_XSo, add it before the "fi" ? What indentation should I use? As in, does it matter how far it goes in?
07:52:55Mouser_X(It'd have to be a newline, I assume, thus putting that "fi" below it, and the else statement above it.)
07:52:59ddaltonno indentation and I put mine at the top of the file.
07:53:19Mouser_XWasn't it you that said to put it after that else statement?
07:53:44ddaltonno that was in /etc/profile
07:54:08Mouser_XThat's what I'm looking in.
07:54:30Mouser_X(I found it. I thought it was a directory, but I was mistaken)
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07:54:36ddaltonforget what I said before. You just need to add a certain dir but now just add the line I said.
07:54:47ddaltonat the top of /home/your_user_name/.bashrc
07:55:09Mouser_XIf I can make it global, I don't see any reason not to.
07:55:23cool_walking_no don't put it in .bashrc :)
07:55:43cool_walking_it's .bash_profile or /etc/profile
07:56:03Mouser_XI'm in /etc/profile right now. Where would I add it in there?
07:56:03ddaltonno its .bashrc I think
07:56:28ddalton.bash_profile is for what should run when you log in...
07:56:35Mouser_Xddalton: That file will only make it user-specific. At least, it looks that way to me.
07:56:59cool_walking_both .bash_profile and .bashrc are user-specific
07:57:05ddaltonunless you find your /etc/profile file
07:57:17ddaltondid you try catting it?
07:57:23ddaltontoo be sure?
07:57:30Mouser_XWhich I did, and I said I did, and I said that's where I'm at right now.
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07:57:54Mouser_X(That's at least 3 instances where I said what file I was attempting to edit.)
07:58:17Mouser_XTo repeat: I'm in etc/profile right now.
07:58:25ddaltonok so what file are you in?
07:58:32cool_walking_lol what?
07:58:33Mouser_X(Again, I thought it was a directory, and I was mistaken.)
07:58:49ddaltonoh no its a text file.
07:58:50Mouser_Xprofile is a file, not a directory.
07:58:55Mouser_XIt has no extension.
07:58:59cool_walking_correct, it's a file
07:59:11cool_walking_correct also. Unix text files often have no extension
07:59:31Mouser_XSo, where in that file do I add ":/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" ?
07:59:43ddaltonsee above 100 lines
07:59:53ddaltonor so
08:00:33Mouser_XSo, to ask again, I put it above the "fi" and below the else statement, on a new line? What indentation do I use?
08:00:35cool_walking_add "PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" (without the quotes) to /etc/profile if you want it to be system-wide, or ~/.bash_profile if you want it only for your user.
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08:01:05cool_walking_don't put it above "fi"
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08:01:21cool_walking_just put it as the very last line
08:01:37Mouser_XOh, so below the last "fi" then?
08:01:57cool_walking_It doesn't matter what's already there, just add it to the end
08:02:04ddaltonafter the else in this if
08:02:05ddaltonif [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
08:02:16ddaltonadd :arm_path
08:02:20cool_walking_don't listen to him
08:02:27cool_walking_what are you doing, ddalton?
08:02:31Mouser_XIf it works for cool_walking_, I'll assume it will work for me. It makes it easier.
08:02:32ddaltonbefore the " of the line between fi and the else.
08:02:43ddaltonso the path= line
08:03:00ddaltonwell this worked for me:
08:03:32ddaltonadd :armpath before the last " on the line path= which is between else and fi. How much more simpley can I say this?
08:03:46cool_walking_aah okay. He's just trying to get you to edit an _existing_ line that looks like "PATH=/usr/bin:.....". But that may not work if it is inside an "if" block.
08:04:11Mouser_XIt wouldn't be inside the if block, if I added after that part.
08:04:15ddaltonarm_path is what I said above the full path to arm
08:04:47Mouser_XI'll just put it at the end, below the last "fi" and above the "umask 022"
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08:04:54ddaltonyes that is what your meant to do...
08:05:13Mouser_XThat's what I was asking...
08:05:19ddaltonthe line before "fi" in this block:
08:05:26ddaltonif [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X\11:/bin/speakup"
08:05:29ddaltonelse PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/arm-elf\/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/bin:/bin/speakup"
08:05:30Mouser_XThe way I understood your answer confused me.
08:05:40cool_walking_I don't think IRC is well-suited to simple things like this
08:05:58*Mouser_X has apparently spammed #rockbox. :(
08:06:15ddaltonhey do you know about paths?
08:06:56ddaltonMouser_X: do you know how this path var works?
08:07:19cool_walking_I don't think we should even attempt to explain that, ddalton, after that mess
08:08:20ddaltonMouser_X: How familiar are you with gnu/linux? and are you using a gui?
08:08:36ddaltonI am just trying to work out where you are getting confused.
08:08:57cool_walking_See Examples of UNIX environment variables"
08:09:08cool_walking_AAAAGH. half-baked comment
08:09:26cool_walking_See the "Examples of UNIX environment variables" section at
08:09:46ddaltonwell ok I need to go but see the cygwin setup guide and look at how they do the paths there.
08:10:19ddaltonexactly same process in linux except on the line between else and fi which starts with "path"
08:11:28ddaltondo this:
08:11:38ddaltonecho $PATH so you see what happens...
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08:12:35Mouser_XWell, I got the profile file edited. Hopefully I never have to go through that again.
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08:37:18Mouser_XAnd, Rockbox is now building. Sorry again for the excess of commentary on my PATH situation.
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08:39:50RexDartHello ladies!
08:40:09cool_walking_damn.. I'm a lady now aren't I
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08:40:57nanokcool_walking_: self proclaimed, even
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08:41:23RexDartWhat's better to make a rockbox theme of....beos or os9
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08:42:17cool_walking_All yellowy
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08:43:49Mouser_XI want to make a WPS based on the Back to the Future series...
08:43:59Mouser_XSpecifically, the DeLorean.
08:44:11Mouser_X(The train would be cool as well.)
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08:53:24RexDartplan9's a butt
08:53:39cool_walking_It's got some pretty good concepts
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08:53:57cool_walking_like /proc
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08:55:28RexDartwhat doesn't have /proc
08:55:49cool_walking_where do you think it came from?
08:55:49RexDartand why isn't opera's irc client scrolling down with text as it appears
08:56:58GodEaterwhy ask us ?
08:58:06cool_walking_Isn't this #opera?
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09:15:49egckillerI have a problem getting the software installed onto my ipod 80gb
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09:16:07egckillerhey can you help me
09:16:20egckillerI am trying to install the bootloader
09:16:30egckillerand it's saying that no ipod was found
09:16:34GodEateregckiller: which model ipod do you have ?
09:16:52egckillerthe Ipod classic 80gb
09:17:06egckiller1.0.3 or something like that
09:17:06GodEaterit states quite clearly on the rockbox home page that the classic is not supported
09:17:18egckillerdamn it
09:17:53egckillerwhat do I do then is there no program for the classic that lets me customize my ipod?
09:18:10egckillerwtf man that sucks
09:18:13egckillerwhy not?
09:18:19GodEaterread that
09:18:19Mouser_XYou can see if anyone will trade it for an older iPod, or trade it for a Gigabeat F60.
09:18:43*Mouser_X suggests the Gigabeat route.
09:18:44egckillerhmm I just bought it today
09:18:56*GodEater suggests taking it back then
09:19:03Mouser_XOr that.
09:19:06GodEaterassuming running rockbox is THAT important to you
09:19:07egckillerI wonder if I can take it back and get me a touchscreen or something
09:19:30egckillerno it's really not lol
09:19:43egckillerbut I wanted to be able to use my own theme's
09:20:23egckillerI knew I should have paid the extra 50 bucks for the touchscreen
09:20:31GodEaterthat's themeable is it ?
09:20:36egckillerat least that one has wireless internet access
09:20:50egckillerno I don't think so
09:21:04advcomp2019egckiller, if you can find an e200v1 or c200v1 series, you could use rockbox
09:21:14egckillerIf I can't get a themable one I may as well be able to at least connect to the internet lol
09:21:34egckillermaybe I can find one on ebay
09:21:45GodEaterconversation is now veering wildly offtopic...
09:21:47egckillerI have to go back up that way tommorrow anyway
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09:22:23egckillerlol ok I'm out I have an appointment tommorrow
09:22:28egckillerthanks for the help
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09:29:26egckillerthat's some real bs you know it why the fuck do compeny's like apple and sony fix it so that people can't reverse engineer their products after all I believe that the person that's spending over 200$ on something should have complete control over it
09:29:55GodEateragain, why ask us?
09:30:13egckillerthat would be like telling me I can no longer download shit on my computer
09:30:17cool_walking_I think it's that Apple have to sign an NDA with the hardware company
09:30:31cool_walking_I would guess
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09:30:56egckilleroh lol we'll it's bs either way
09:31:16egckillerI'm taking it back tommorrow
09:31:56cool_walking_yeah, best policy is to just not buy from those companies that aren't consumer-friendly
09:32:03egckillerthey can keep their overpriced product and their NDA
09:32:16cool_walking_The NDA was just speculation on my part
09:32:19egckilleryeah I hope they go bankrupt
09:32:28amiconnhcs: Not much right now, unless you want to experiment with the lcd bridge 2 settings your self (testing speed and whether gfx output works with or without glicthes)
09:32:28egckillerlol I know
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09:42:42GodEaterDid anybody else know that CNET provide as permanent "Download Rockbox" link to our current builds page ?
09:43:43cool_walking_No.. but I don't I've been there in like 5 years except when they had a Rockbox review
09:44:19GodEaterI'm personally inclined to ask them to remove it
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09:50:54GodEaterbecause they don't link to the manual...
09:51:43linuxstbThe current build page links to the manual though...
09:52:36peturI'd rather have them review it again because I'm sure the installer got better. And they should change the wording of "most iPods, iRivers, and Archoses"
09:52:41*GodEater will hand over the thread from the user who downloaded via CNET to petur and linuxstb then
09:54:12peturGodEater: maybe have them include the link for donations?
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10:21:00*homielowe I'm attempting to compile a sim for the iPod Touch, Is there anyway I can make it not complain about not having a bmp for the sim? (compiled eventually to run under osx on ipod touch)
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10:31:43homielowenm I just created a empy bmp file
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10:40:11linuxstbhomielowe: That's a good a way as any...
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11:32:59GodEaterAnyone know if CE-ATA / ZIF are the same thing or not ?
11:35:43peturI think they are not the same
11:36:49peturZIF = 40 pins, CE-ATA = 18 ins serial
11:37:35GodEatercurious. In the teardowns of 5.5G and 6G ipods that I've seen, the drive slot looks identical
11:37:50amiconnThey are very different. ZIF is normal parallel ata. CE-ATA is serial (MMC protocol)
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11:42:44GodEaterah - I take it back
11:42:57GodEaterthe drive interface in the 80GB classic is still ZIF
11:43:04GodEaterno wonder I was confused
11:46:39homielowe Is there a way to comment out "viewers" (trying to test compile for a new sim build )?
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11:56:53GodEaterpictures of what a CE-ATA connector look like are thin on the ground
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12:23:41linuxstbHmm, so the disk in the 80GB Classic could be moved to a 30GB 5/5.5G ?
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12:36:52GodEaterlinuxstb: that would be appear to be the case yes
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13:43:41Nico_PGodEater: here?
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13:44:16Nico_Phave you noticed a link between the playback skipping and the number of files in the dir?
13:44:50Nico_Psomeone in thE forums said they might be related
13:44:59GodEaternot really no
13:45:09GodEatermost of my directories contain a very similar number of files
13:45:16GodEateronly on the order of 15-20
13:45:56Nico_Pany chance that you could test on a dir with a large number of files?
13:46:24preglowanyone know how gigabeat s is progressing? i can't recall having seen any commits
13:46:26GodEaterwhat will that tell you ?
13:47:03Nico_PGodEater: it could tell me that it's the playback thread that isn't yielding enough
13:47:34Nico_Ppreglow: ptw419 emailed freescale and got some example code
13:47:40GodEaterNico_P: I'm not sure I follow - I already *get* the issue with very few files
13:47:44Nico_Pbut I don't think there was any progress lately
13:47:56GodEatersurely increasing the number isn't going to make the issue better ?
13:48:32preglowNico_P: why do they need example code?
13:48:46preglowglitchy docs?
13:49:05GodEaterpreglow: we can't get the interuppts working on it
13:49:34Nico_PGodEater: maybe the number isn't a factor at all, it might be interesting to know whether it is
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13:50:11GodEaterNico_P: ok - I'll have a look for something with more titles in it
13:50:16Nico_Ppreglow: he mainly wanted to know whether he was missing something obvious, and the guy from freescale added code to his answer
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13:50:28Nico_PGodEater: thanks :)
13:51:14Nico_Palso if the number is a factor and the skipping is more obvious with more files, we'll have found a reliable test case
13:51:21GodEaterwould a big playlist help ?
13:51:28GodEateror do the files HAVE to be in the same directory ?
13:51:41Nico_Pa big playlist would probably do the trick
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13:52:11Nico_PI guess the guy mentioned the dir because he simply played the first file in the dir
13:52:35GodEaterthat's frozen *everything*
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13:53:01GodEaterdisk is still spinning, backlight responds to key presses
13:53:05GodEaterbut other than that, bugger all
13:54:04GodEatercome to think of it, this root.m3u is out of date
13:55:20LloreanStill, Rockbox should safely handle nonexistent files in a playlist. It used to.
13:56:04Bagderit should just skip them
13:56:25GodEateryes, I just think that ALL the files in it don't exist now
13:56:29GodEaterI did a major reorganise
13:56:37GodEaterso it's taking a long time to skip them all
13:56:39LinusNthat's a special case it used to handle
13:56:53LinusNi.e when none of the files are present
13:56:56Bagderright, a large list with all non-existing files can take a while
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14:01:01GodEaterIt has 5440 files in the list
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14:07:46homielowefrom -community "I thought ptw419 got interrupts working ? "
14:08:16*Nico_P is reading the log and hardly believing it :)
14:10:54Nico_PI wonder why he didn't commit the code
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14:20:17GodEatersorry chaps - my connection wondered off on it's own
14:20:37GodEaterNico_P: I've got a 76 entry playlist currently. This started playback perfectly, no issues at all.
14:20:44GodEaterI'm about to try again with my root.m3u
14:21:11GodEater...which has also started back without a hitch
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14:21:28GodEaterso perhaps it's the process of adding the files to the playlist which is fighting with playback ?
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14:21:43LinusNdynamic playlists are very different
14:21:57LinusNso you might want to try that
14:22:07LinusNplay a directory and then queue a file
14:22:18GodEaterI need a big directory then
14:22:22GodEaterwhich I currently don't have
14:23:36*GodEater endeavours to create such a directory
14:23:41GodEaterhow many files do you want in it Nico_P ?
14:24:14Nico_PGodEater: no idea... several hundred if possible
14:24:49Nico_Pbut start small, maybe the problem will start showing with "few" files
14:24:59GodEaterwell it currently shows with 15-20
14:25:36Nico_Pyeah, I meant consistently
14:27:04preglowNico_P: well, did the code make us any smarter?
14:28:02Nico_Ppreglow: apparently it did, as ptw reported he got interrupts to work, as homielowe pointed out
14:28:31Nico_PI mailed him to try to know a bit more
14:28:42GodEaterand to find out why he didn't commit it presumably
14:28:55Nico_Pthat too
14:30:01GodEater30 file directory started ok
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14:36:19GodEaterNico_P: I tried it with a 70 file directory
14:36:22GodEaterwhich seemed to work ok
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14:36:40GodEaterbut since that was a test directory, I'd created it directly off the roor
14:36:58GodEaterif I move it way way way down my folder hierarchy, I get the glitchy startup of playback
14:37:21Nico_Pthat's strange
14:37:55*GodEater moves it back, and confirms it starts up fine
14:38:45GodEaterso if it is located at /Testing - then it's fine - but if I move it to /Music/Various Artists/Some folder/Some sub folder/ - then playback is glitchy on startup
14:39:59*GodEater double checks again
14:40:05GodEateryep - compeltely repeatable
14:40:54GodEaterif badly spelt :)
14:40:56Nico_Pit's not exactly the clue I was expecting, but at least it's something :)
14:41:36GodEaterwhat players do you have to try it on?
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14:42:43Nico_Ponly the gigabeat :/
14:43:22GodEaterit's got to be worth a try on that
14:43:26GodEaterwith a deep directory tree
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14:48:36Nico_PI can't get it to skip
14:49:23JETC-Nico_P: Are you still familiar with the progressbar slider patch?
14:49:38Nico_PJETC-: not really, why?
14:49:59GodEaterany other ipod owners care to test that theory ?
14:50:59Nico_PGodEater: someone said it started on r15444, and that change only affected ipods
14:51:22Nico_Pso maybe that's why I can't repro, but people also reported glitches on the H120
14:51:48JETC-Well, I'm trying to apply the patch and of course, it won't. The problem seems to be a problem with initializing the NORMAL variable?(not sure what to call it)
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14:52:33JETC-Anyway, in the progressbar patch, I see the NORMAL variable being used there as well and I just renamed it to something else and it seems to be compiling now.
14:52:48JETC-I just want to make sure if doing so wouldn't change the functionality of the patch
14:54:48Nico_PJETC-: I have no idea
14:55:08Nico_PNORMAL is probably a #define
14:55:35JETC-Yeah but it seems to be conflicting with something now :3
14:55:42JETC-Oh well, we'll see
14:55:47Nico_PGodEater: it might be worth checking that the problem really did start with r15444
14:55:49JETC-Just have to test it after it compiles
14:55:57*Nico_P has to go
14:57:34JETC-K, later
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15:15:55LambdaCalculus37Ah, I see a betting pool for new ports during the new year is on! :)
15:19:16LloreanWell, I think a few ports are pretty much given.
15:20:08LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Yes, since we have the m:robe 100 and m:robe 500i, and the Cowon D2 looking good and about ready to go soon once the guys working on them polish them up.
15:21:21krazykitthe d2 needs more than polish i think.
15:21:43LloreanI expect the D2, m:robe 100, and Gigabeat S to happen.
15:22:06LloreanThe 500i may end up one of the "interesting, but not interesting enough to sustain focus" targets, I'm not sure.
15:22:32LambdaCalculus37krazykit: But he's doing a great job on it, so I give kudos to him for his hard work. :)
15:22:44LloreanMy "not as likely" prediction for the year is the v2 Sandisks. I think that there's just enough information around to make those likely if people will try to run with 'em
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15:23:42LambdaCalculus37Llorean: My prediction is more for the Sansa View, since the hardware is close to (but not!) the e200 series, and Bagder has said that the dummy signing on the View works like it does on the e200.
15:23:49GodEaterWhat about the Logik DAB thingy linuxstb is working on ? :)
15:24:09LambdaCalculus37GodEater: He made good progress on it, but where does it stand now?
15:24:13GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: this is true, but no-one's actually working on a port for it :)
15:24:22GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: I've no clue - ask him :)
15:24:39Febswen r u going 2 make a hack 4 the ipod classic lol?
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15:24:49GodEaterof course, he's technically still working on the Tatung Elio too...
15:25:01GodEatertalk of the devil :)
15:25:03LambdaCalculus37Febs: You silly person, you. :)
15:25:09GodEaterFebs, you need to brush up on your aol speak
15:25:16GodEaterit's too easy to understand :)
15:25:38FebsIf I ever actually become fluent in AOL-speak, you have my permission to shoot me.
15:25:39BigBambiA few random uses of z always helps
15:25:57BigBambiomg i fux0red lolz HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:25:58*LambdaCalculus37 readies the BFG for the day Febs becomes fluent in AOL-speak
15:26:14*Llorean still wants to see the "as an app" ports of Rockbox.
15:26:16GodEaterFebs, you mean you don't use it as your .lang in Rockbox ? :)
15:26:24BigBambiLlorean: That would be nice
15:26:27pixelmaGodEater: don't forget that he also started an Archos AV300 (right name?) port... ;)
15:26:33GodEaterLlorean: you mean from someone who sends the code back to us :)
15:26:38LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Rockbox as an app would seriously be cool.
15:26:38GodEaterpixelma: he sent that to scorche though
15:27:05LambdaCalculus37I'm still trying to start the Dell DJ and Rio Karma ports.
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15:27:16GodEatershame there's still no luck on that CD
15:27:17pixelmadidn't know that... waiting for scorche then :)
15:27:27LambdaCalculus37But my coding skills are about as good as Rincewind's magic abilities. :(
15:27:43GodEateryou mean you only know one program, but it's one of the BIG ones :)
15:27:48*Llorean should seriously get off his butt and code something again one day
15:27:48BigBambiNo matter how bad your code you always survive?
15:27:58LloreanSomething other than keymap changes and other hate inducing minor tweaks
15:27:59GodEaterwritten by Stallman himself
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15:28:19GodEaterLlorean: but you love all the vitriol that gets poured on you when you do those :)
15:28:31LambdaCalculus37Yeah, how come I can go through the Emacs code like no one's business, but I can hardly even write a proper patch? :P
15:30:29krazykityou could port emacs to rockbox. rockmacs.
15:30:49LambdaCalculus37krazykit: And easy way to terrify people. :)
15:32:06krazykitthat would be rockvi ;)
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15:34:11LambdaCalculus37krazykit: I saw your PM and responded.
15:34:34krazykiti'll respond later, as i have class in a few minutes
15:35:13LambdaCalculus37krazykit: No prob.
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15:39:19scorchepixelma: well, he still has yet to actualtl ship it :)
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15:41:14LambdaCalculus37Having the AV300 port may help me out in continuing the AV100 port a bit, since they share some of the same hardware.
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16:06:30amiconnLlorean: Don't forget the M3
16:09:43LambdaCalculus37Oops... nearly forgot. :)
16:10:07LambdaCalculus37I forgot that the M3 may join its brothers one day.
16:11:35asnIs it normal for rockbox to freeze that much? I mean, I was listening to a song today and I was also browsing to find the next to listen. When I tried to open the directory of the second song it froze there, saying "Loading
16:11:45asnand it unfroze when the first song finished playing
16:13:27LambdaCalculus37asn: Can you clarify for us by telling us what player you're using and what kind of audio file it is that's causing this?
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16:14:51asnLambdaCalculus37: yeah of course. Both files were .mp3s. I'm using an iPod video 5G of 60GB, but with the .zip file (firmware?) of the 30GB model, since when I tried the .zip file of the 60GB model it would freeze in every menu I tried to enter. I asked here, and they told me to "downgrade" to the 30GB .zip file
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16:16:15BigBambiThat is not normal, no
16:17:29asnI see
16:17:54LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Shouldn't he be using the 60/80GB build? Sounds like a buffering problem to me.
16:18:03BigBambiNot if it didnt work
16:18:18BigBambiThat would suggest a 60gb hard drive in a 30 gb body
16:19:04BigBambiAnd since the 30 gb has 32 mb or ram cf 64 mb in a 60 gb, if that were true using a 64 mb build on a 32 mb ipod whatever the size of disk would cause all sorts of crashes
16:19:27LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Good call, dude.
16:19:30BigBambiHowever, it could be the current buffering problem, yes
16:19:40asnI'm using the current build file
16:19:44LambdaCalculus37asn: Did you ever change your hard drive on your iPod? Just curious.
16:19:58asnThe guy that helped me asked that too.
16:20:08asnthat helped me by telling me to switch .zip files, that is.
16:20:15BigBambiIt is rare, but has been known for a 60gb drive in a 30 gb body
16:20:15asn(that zip file is the firmware?)
16:20:16LambdaCalculus37asn: So you most definitely have a 5G iPod video, with the original 60GB hard drive in it.
16:20:27LambdaCalculus37We needed to make sure.
16:20:51BigBambiasn: Are you experiencing similar things to this: FS #8260
16:21:00BigBambi(that is a flyspray number)
16:21:02asnLambdaCalculus37: Well, I'm sure it's 60GB, I'm sure it's an Ipod, I'm sure it can play videos. I'm just not sure that it's 5G, but from that apple site I think that is _5G_
16:21:37asnBigBambi: flyspray number? I don't know what's that ^.^ I can't remember FS #8260 or anything like that in my rockbox screen :(
16:21:40LambdaCalculus37asn: No, that's definitely a 5G then. But we just want to make sure... we have a few hardware modders that stop by, too, y'know.
16:22:10BigBambiasn: flyspray is the bug/patch tracker. See my link
16:22:42LambdaCalculus37asn: If you want, you can post a comment to that link BigBambi gave you so the devs can check it out.
16:23:24BigBambiasn: There are also a good few threads on the forum about related issues. Have a check through them and see if it sounds familiar
16:25:04asnAbout that bug report. First of all, I've only tried once listening to music with my Rockbox, today (these last 2 days I've been messing with rockbox. games etc.). The problem happened on the first song. What I don't understand is the (audio skips for about a quarter of second (sounds like a glitch)) deal. My current playing sond didn't stop, it's just that rockbox display froze to a "Loading" screen 'till the current playing song finished.
16:25:29BigBambimaybe not that then
16:30:00GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: it was me that diagnosed the "wrong amount of RAM" issue, and only because I've heard of "repairs" from Apple of 60/80GB ipods being sent back in a 30GB body (i.e. with the lower amount of RAM).
16:30:07asnand it's not reproducable btw. For example, it now works alright.
16:30:54LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Strange that Apple would do that... sounds kind of like the Sansa v2 bodies with V1 hardware inside issue.
16:31:01LambdaCalculus37Coffee time.
16:31:05*LambdaCalculus37 will return
16:38:11asnThere, it froze again. Now when I tried to access the Files directory. But this time no "Loading" or anything.
16:38:29asnI wonder if it will unfreeze when the song ends
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16:41:21BigBambiWhat is the forum policy on people selling stuff?
16:41:40asnheh it indeed unfreeze after the song ended.
16:41:41scorche|wmeh...depends on how they go about it
16:43:07BigBambiIt is quite
16:43:16LambdaCalculus37But he says it's new.
16:43:34scorche|was long as he doesnt spam it around other threads/bump/draw attention, he should be fine (as we never made a FS forum)
16:43:50BigBambiI think so too, just wasn't sure
16:44:22LambdaCalculus37scorche|w: Think we should make one at some time in the future? Would be nice for people looking to unload old DAPs without eBay or Amazon or some crap like that.
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16:45:28scorche|wLambdaCalculus37: it was discussed in a private area, but discussion kind of stalled on it
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16:49:45asnWhat is a root.m3u8 in my root directory?
16:51:12LambdaCalculus37asn: root.m3u8 is a playlist for all of the music on your iPod.
16:51:34LambdaCalculus37You can play it, then turn on Shuffle to listen to a big mix of all of your music.
16:51:58BigBambiIt usually would be that
16:52:03asnI see
16:52:08asnThank you.
16:52:14BigBambibut only if you had recursivly insert directories on when creating it
16:54:10LambdaCalculus37asn: Take note of what BigBambi says.
16:54:20toffe82talking about the root.m3u8, shouldn't be better to have it in the list of the playlist ? and perhaps rename it to something like ALL ?
16:54:30BigBambiat the basic level it is just a playlist called root
16:54:53BigBambiIf you created a playlist of everything on the player, the default name for it is root (as it was created in the root directory)
16:54:59LambdaCalculus37toffe82: Yes, you can always rename it yourself.
16:55:00toffe82As it is a playlist , why it doens't appear in the list of the playlist ?
16:55:09LambdaCalculus37I named mine "The Lot.m3u8". :)
16:55:20BigBambitoffe82: Because that only happens if you use the playlist catalogue
16:55:39BigBambiI certainly don't want all of my playlists I create to go in the playlist catalogue
16:56:27BigBambiIf the user wants to create a playlist of whatever they want (e.g. all music) and put it in the playlist catalogue they can
16:56:51LambdaCalculus37The freedom to use your DAP as you see fit... right BigBambi?
16:56:57BigBambihell yes
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17:03:59toffe82BigBambi: what is the difference of using the playlist catalog or browsing a directory for searching a playlist ?
17:04:46BigBambiplaylist catalogue lets you manipulate playlists
17:05:00BigBambiBut I don't always want a playlist to end up there
17:05:07LambdaCalculus37asn: Give them a little time.
17:05:25BigBambiI might want it in a specific directory to make it easier when I copy music on and off the player for instance
17:06:16LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: On all of my devices, I just create a "Playlists" folder and copy .m3u8 files into it.
17:06:42LambdaCalculus37I also make it a habit of keeping a common folder structure across all my devices to facilitate easier transfer of playlists.
17:06:48toffe82where are the playlist when you use the catalog ?
17:07:13LambdaCalculus37toffee82: In my "Playlists" folder on my iPod.
17:07:41BigBambiIf I have /artist/album on my dap, I might want a playlist of my favourite songs for a particular artist from multiple albums. If I put the playlist in /artist, I can copy /artist to anywhere and all the realtive paths etc will still be correct
17:07:45toffe82ok on your , but by default ?
17:07:54BigBambitoffe82: The playlist catalogue uses /playlists
17:08:27BigBambiand is hard coded to so do
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17:15:57asnBigBambi: LambdaCalculus37: I found a relevant to my issue thread in the Rockbox forum: The only difference is the fact that my iPod unfreezes when the song finishes. Also a guy in the 3rd page mentioned another problem I have with Rockbox, that it sometimes it just doesn't start up and I will have to use the Menu+OK buttons to open it (Dip in the third page describes it better)
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17:31:08LambdaCalculus37asn: My iPods are showing no problems whatsoever. This is a strange issue.
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17:33:56asnWell, I disabled ReplayGain, since a guy was saying that this fixed his problem, and I will see how it goes
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17:35:05asnI've also found a guide to audio settings tips in Rockbox (how to use less battery through smart audio settings ,etc.) in the internets but I can't find it
17:35:11asnright now
17:36:26LambdaCalculus37That's the kind of information that should be on the wiki, so that you're guaranteed to find it.
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18:04:33asnIs a song-progress-bar in the status-bar in development, or is it already implemented and I don't have it enabled.
18:08:16markunor neither?
18:09:23markunI haven't heard of this feature (working or being worked on) but you could search through the patch tracker
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18:24:09SubliminautAny ideas why rockbox reboots my 5G ipod when I plug it in via USB?
18:24:20SubliminautI just want to copy crapola to it, not reboot to disk mode
18:24:52krazykitbecause rockbox does not yet have USB transfer capability
18:25:27Galoisyou can hold down the menu key when you plug it in, then it won't reboot (but you still can't copy stuff)
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19:24:45webguest73Problem: Updated my G3 IPOD an am now getting the error " Data abort at 000CC198 (0)".
19:25:13webguest73I updated by replacing the .rockbox folder.
19:25:25PaulPositionI'm going to try and test Buschel's power consumption patch... Should I test on a build from 'then' svn (..86) or current one (...91)
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19:26:17BigBambiwebguest73: That is a known problem, so builds work, some don't more or less randomly
19:26:32pixelmathis is a known problem with some builds on 1st-3rd gen Ipods, you can only return to your old build and try new ones from time to time ...
19:27:07webguest73Duh, to bad, I didn't think to back up...
19:27:25GodEater_webguest73: there are daily builds available on the site going back a month
19:27:55webguest73Any known good for 1st-3rd gen Ipods?
19:28:07*GodEater_ hasn't a clue
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19:28:25webguest73Thank you for your help... I'll start randomly trying some
19:30:44pixelmathe last one working I _definitely- know of is the 2nd January daily (didn't follow as I'm not affected someone reported it here).
19:31:16pixelmabut maybe later ones work as well
19:33:48conandohm is there a known cause for this?
19:34:37pixelmawebguest73: someone in the forums lists working builds for his 2nd gen Ipod > I'm not sure if they behave exactly the same for 2nd gen and 3rd gen Ipods.
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19:38:01pixelmaconando: not that I know of (jhMikeS was investing which commit caused it but didn't even get a clear result)
19:42:09webguest73FYI: 16068 works on G3 IPODS
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20:10:12ViakenI'm having trouble putting rockbox on my 2 Sansa e260's. I got it on the first one seemingly by luck. Most of the time, I get "unsupported install Method".
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20:12:20LambdaCalculus37Viaken: Are you following the install instructions in the manual?
20:12:28LambdaCalculus37Or are you using Rockbox Utility?
20:12:38ViakenThe utility.
20:12:42ViakenIs that...not suggested? :P
20:12:42advcomp2019Viaken, are you sure it is not a v2
20:12:58ViakenIt's not a v2 that I can tell.
20:13:07BigBambiViaken: What is the original firmware version?
20:13:32Domonoky"unsupported install Method" seems strange which version of rbutil is this ?
20:13:54ViakenOriginal firmware: 01.02.18A
20:14:00BigBambiV1 then
20:14:02Viakenrbutil m1.0.2
20:14:15ViakenCouldn't find a Linux download link for m1.0.3
20:14:39Domonokyah, thats it, try a newer version of rbutil.. 1.0.2 has this bug if you use "complete install"
20:14:43*Viaken nods
20:14:54ViakenGuess I'm compiling from source, then, eh? :P
20:15:19LambdaCalculus37Viaken: That's your best shot.
20:15:22Domonoky1.0.2 should also work, if you restart rbutil, and use the install buttons on the second tab..
20:15:31ViakenI tried that and it wouldn't work. *shrugs*
20:15:40pixelmaand make sure that your e260s are set to MSC mode (unfortunately the note is currently only in the "manually install" chapter of the manual IIRC)
20:15:48*Viaken nods
20:16:00Domonokyhave you restart rbutil before trying the buttons on the second tab ?
20:16:08ViakenThey're definately MSC. They get automounted fine, and I can throw stuff on them if I have to.
20:16:15Viaken...that is actually a good question. Let me try it.
20:16:31LambdaCalculus37Viaken: Okay. We'll be here.
20:16:31Viaken*facepalm* I thought I had.
20:16:39ViakenThat worked fine. :P
20:16:46LambdaCalculus37Is it installing correctly now?
20:17:07ViakenThe bootloader did.
20:17:13Domonokysomebody should update that linux binary of rbutil (not me) :-)
20:17:48ViakenI'd gladly compile a package if I knew how to get the m1.0.3 release... Only two options I see are precompiled and svn.
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20:18:25LambdaCalculus37Domonoky: Would creating .deb and .rpm packages be an option for rbutil as well?
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20:18:36Domonokywith updateing i mean generating a new statically built version of rbutil out of svn..
20:19:08DomonokyLambdaCalculus37: i dont think they are needed, rbutil is a single binary..
20:19:33ViakenAnd you shouldn't have to use it too often, ne?
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20:19:53Domonokybut it wouldnt hurt... maybe wait with this for the m1.04 release (this includes .talk and voice generation)
20:20:47LambdaCalculus37Domonoky: We could maybe even have a .deb package be part of the Ubuntu repositories.
20:21:06LambdaCalculus37But this is merely crazy thoughts dancing in my crazy little brain...
20:21:18scorche|wwell, lets wait till it works more often :)
20:21:33ViakenWell, thank you very much for your time and help.
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20:21:47Domonokyhat would be nice, apt get rbutil :-) but i think rbutil is still not stable enough for this.. ie too much updates..
20:22:11ViakenBesides, it's Qt based. Ubuntu is all Gnomish.
20:22:24LambdaCalculus37Viaken: You forget Kubuntu? :)
20:22:29DomonokyKUbuntu ! :-)
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20:22:39ViakenNo, but Kubuntu != Ubuntu. :P
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20:57:58ViakenHmm...the first two seconds of any song, as well as things that cause a lot of IO and/or processing create a little squeaky static. But it's not unique to rockbox, so *shrugs*.
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21:01:18ViakenI should say few seconds.
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21:04:12ViakenThis "enable replaygain"...does that read tags that are there or attempt to analyze the song and apply it on the player?
21:04:41BigBambireads them
21:04:52BigBambiIt ould be FAR too slow to analyse on dap
21:05:22ViakenThen how do you get to chose the type?
21:05:30BigBambiTake a look at the manual, it tells you what the menu items do
21:05:39ViakenFair enough :)
21:05:49BigBambiYou will note another option in the replaygain menu
21:06:00BigBambiThat lets you chose which tag is applied in what circumstance
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21:29:00ViakenI suppose it's best to use an mp3 to test battery discharge rate, to take advantage of the hardware decoder?
21:29:34Domonokyonly the old archos have hardware decoders..
21:29:42pixelmathere's no hardware decoder in the e200s
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21:33:47ViakenWell alrighty then
21:35:49Motosuwahey, can I check a modified usb picture using the simulator?
21:36:03Motosuwalike, can I "connect the simulator" to the pc?
21:36:06JdGordon|wpress u to simulate usb
21:36:13Motosuwaoh, simples as that?
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21:40:06webguest47hello, have tried to replace the rockbox software on my H10 and the player is now broken, it tells me Rockbox error : -1; I cross checked several times to have installed as described in the docu, but there seems to be still something wrong
21:40:23webguest47anybody here who wants to help me ?
21:40:54ViakenBooting into the original firmware still work?
21:41:36webguest47did not use the original software for > 1,5 years and so do not know how to boot this
21:41:55JdGordon|wwhich docs were you following?
21:42:03JdGordon|w-1 means you didnt extract
21:42:16webguest47maybe I deletet from "/" something I should not have deleted
21:42:22BigBambiand when did you last update?
21:42:33JdGordon|w... or your using a really old bootloader which looks for rockbox.mi4 in the wrong place
21:42:46*BigBambi was hinting at that :)
21:42:47webguest47my previous rockbox version was from sept. 2006
21:43:01BigBambiYou need to upgrade the bootloader too
21:43:54webguest47what is the proper name and dir for the bootloader ? docu says "root", but I'm not sure if they mean "/.rockbox/" or "/"
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21:44:00BigBambiroot is /
21:44:23BigBambiAre you using the manual?
21:46:05*GodEater_ wonders what word we should use instead of root, since so many people stumble on it
21:46:18BigBambiwell, root is the word
21:46:34BigBambiThe problem in my mind is the lack of basic computing knowledge
21:46:45BigBambiI don't knwo how else to describe it really
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21:47:18ViakenIt -is- root. Just because people from other operating systems, or with less computing knowledge doesn't know it doesn't mean it's the wrong word to use.
21:47:32webguest47and the name ? I used "/H10.mi4", approx. 51k , since I was not sure have also "/rockbox.mi4" approx. 530k, have it now in both "/" and ".rockbox"
21:47:42Viakens/doesn't know it /, /
21:47:43BigBambiNo, but if we could find a nice alternative it would be good to help people out
21:48:01BigBambiwebguest47: Are you following the instructions in the manual?
21:48:14ViakenMaybe a mini description of what root is, every so often?
21:48:21GodEater_I've given up pointing people to the wikipedia page describing what "root" is
21:48:59ViakenWikipedia articles can be a bit much for people just wanting to know "what does this word mean?"
21:49:01webguest47yes, unpacked rockbox, and the fonts + the bootloader, I wonder why at startup still the timestamp of the old bootloader is displayed
21:49:31BigBambiViaken: We are not suggesting putting it in the manual, just pointing people at it, e.g. in the forums
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21:50:03GodEater_webguest47: you've not read the manual properly for the bootloader part
21:50:11GodEater_the H10.mi4 doesn't go in the root directory
21:50:24webguest47what else ?
21:50:40*BigBambi gives up saying read the manual
21:50:58GodEater_webguest47: as BigBambi says : "Read the manual"
21:50:59Domonokywebguest47: hint: its in the manual :-)
21:51:09*Bagder suggests reading the manual
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21:51:56webguest47you are right, it tells system directory
21:52:12webguest47I mixed up root and system, try now ....
21:54:14webguest47is there really a "/system" directory ?
21:54:40GodEater_webguest47: the manual even says how to display it if you can't see it
21:54:57webguest47then I deleted it before while trying to delete the old stuff
21:55:10webguest47you mean hidden ?
21:55:12*BigBambi sighs
21:55:16ViakenBigBambi: Some people just don't want to hear rtfm, no matter how politely you say it. :\
21:55:31LambdaCalculus37Time to go home... bye, all!
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21:55:39pixelma :)
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21:56:22webguest47was it "/system" or "/.system" ?
21:56:29Bagdernow please stop this
21:56:55Bagderthen come back if there are details in there you don't understand
21:57:18GodEater_first you R, then you go over to T while slowly considering F and the adjacent M
21:57:27*GodEater_ steals more of Bagder's past work
21:57:51GodEater_it's over a year since it was last used anyway
21:58:09Bagderit is? time sure goes fast these days!
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21:58:22BigBambitime isn't what it used to be
21:59:10GodEater_Sept25 was our last GoldenQuotes submission
21:59:14GodEater_it's time for a new one
21:59:23GodEater_make history please people
22:00:07*GodEater_ wonders if BigBambi is even aware of the GoldenQuotes page
22:00:17BigBambiam indeed :)
22:00:48Mouser_XIt's a great place for a laugh, IMO.
22:00:50GodEater_it tends to only get mentioned here
22:01:00GodEater_and you've not been an IRC regular for long ;)
22:01:02BigBambiI shall proceed to get more metaphysical
22:01:14BigBambiI read the logs for far longer than I have been here
22:01:24BigBambibut yeah, there are some crackers there
22:01:58GodEater_I've only made it in there twice - I need to work on that :)
22:02:19oboBagder: I've been updating the SansaConnect wiki page as I've found things out, but any tips on how to procede?
22:03:22BagderI like that it includes curl... :-)
22:04:14Bagderobo: what's your preferred approach to run stuff on it, to put a replacement upgrade or to attempt a buffer overrun or similar?
22:04:20GodEater_I can't imagine why you'd like that Bagder ;)
22:04:58oboI think buffer overrun... the Atmel AT88SC bit is just plain nasty
22:05:36obobut it is purely MTP, so getting ssh onto it would be a nice start
22:06:05Bagderare you aware of anything that runs on the web server?
22:06:11Bagderor which web server?
22:06:32Bagder... I would suspect busybox's
22:06:41GodEater_nmap might be able to tell
22:06:50GodEater_it does rudimentary application identification these days
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22:07:16Bagderits openssl version has numerous security advisories on it
22:07:22obonmap couldn't ID it... but I have the root filesystem, will have to dig around some more.
22:07:40Domonokyif you find a buffer overrun on the webserver, you could make a wifi bootloader :-)
22:07:54GodEater_Bagder: any holes in that version of libcurl? ;)
22:07:54oboI can't find anything real on the webserver yet
22:08:09obolibpng is another option...
22:08:38Bagderright, that's more of a "classic"
22:08:59obopng is 1.2.8, curl is 7.16.0
22:09:24Bagderyeah, no known flaw in that curl version (that you can use)
22:09:55GodEater_I never doubted it
22:10:05GodEater_curse you and your quality coding
22:10:12Bagder ...
22:10:41Bagderits slippery, that security business...
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22:11:23Bagderthere are 5 flaws in that libpng version
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22:11:49*GodEater_ has been playing around with WebGoat recently
22:11:57BRi7Xhey folks... my gigabeat f broke again (another hard drive failure)... i'm looking online for another gigabeat f to buy, but i can't find one... can anyone recommend an mp3 player similar to the gigabeat (one that isn't made by apple, preferably)
22:12:47obois Curl_ossl_version an indication it's using openssl rather than gnutls?
22:14:23Bagderand since the server says that and only openssl is listed, I assumed so...
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22:14:59ViakenWhat are you all trying to get into?
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22:15:40GodEater_Viaken: Sansa Connect mp3 player
22:16:01Viakenahh :?
22:16:12GodEater_a Sherif smiley ?
22:16:39ViakenHeh..suppose that'll work. *shrugs* The keys are right next to each other.
22:17:18GodEater_they're seperated by the 9 key here....
22:19:57ViakenL here.
22:20:04ViakenOr [, depending on which direction you go.
22:20:06DataMatrix-BGexcusem me for bothering you here
22:20:20Viaken...does this discussion sound that important? ;)
22:20:23GodEater_DataMatrix-BG: no excuses required ;)
22:20:42DataMatrix-BGim looking for a program to get a copy of my firmware from my MP4
22:21:12DataMatrix-BGit's a RockChip RK2608A
22:21:17BagderDataMatrix-BG: there aren't generic such ones
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22:22:29DataMatrix-BGi've tried the s1fwx v3.2 & 3.0
22:22:42linuxstb_BRi7X: Why not just replace the hard drive?
22:22:43DataMatrix-BGthey didn't recognize my device
22:23:05BigBambiDataMatrix-BG: This is off topic for rockbox
22:23:21BRi7XSo would I just go find the same hard drive and slap it in there?
22:23:26BagderDataMatrix-BG: you can't just randomly test programs and assume they'll work...
22:23:42BRi7XIs it a common thing with these hard drives for that to happen? this is the second time this happened within a year
22:23:49BagderBigBambi: not if it'll be the base for a new port! ;-)
22:24:03BigBambivery true - I wait with baited breath :)
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22:24:34GodEater_BRi7X: depends how often you drop the player...
22:24:37linuxstb_BRi7X: The HardDriveReplacement wiki page has lots of nice info.
22:25:14uyxhey, any Big Black fans around?
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22:25:35BRi7Xwell, i am quite clumsy... the first time was because it dropped flat on its back... but this second time i don't remember dropping it that much today
22:25:50xyu1oh, sorry, didn't read the wiki before saying something. _
22:26:02BRi7Xwhere's the HardDriveReplacement Wiki?
22:26:16BigBambion the wiki
22:26:43ViakenIf you don't need as much storage space, you may want to look into a flash-based player. :P
22:26:58GodEater_yeah, they don't mind being dropped as much
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22:27:32xyu1anyway : I'm trying to get hold of Atomizer by Big Black, if anyone can help, let me know. :P
22:27:34BRi7Xi definitely do need the space, i think i had this 40GB drive filled up half way
22:27:57BRi7Xi'm trying to load up the disk contents in konqueror and it's' been stalled since i plugged it in
22:28:48roxfan2there are 64GB CF cards
22:29:13GodEater_not exactly cheap though
22:29:25GodEater_and that would require more work that just a hard drive replacement
22:29:27xyu1gah! you're not the RockBox torrent site. Later. :D
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22:29:45roxfan2there are cf-ide adapters of 1.8"(?) size
22:30:03GodEater_there's a rockbox torrent site ?
22:30:11BigBambinews to me
22:30:14GodEater_me too
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22:30:31GodEater_wow - there is too
22:30:35roxfan2 2.5"
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22:31:30BRi7Xso i'd need an MK4004GAH?
22:31:34BRi7X(i have the F40)
22:32:05GodEater_BRi7X: or any of the other 8mm drives with that connector
22:33:19BRi7Xso bascially i can turn an F40 into an F160 if i so desired
22:33:20GodEater_if you can find one, you could fit an MK8007GAH
22:33:20roxfan2 1.8"
22:33:43GodEater_BRi7X: I don't think there are any 50 pin 160GB 1.8" drives
22:34:04GodEater_80GB is about as large as you could go
22:34:10GodEater_and those drives are hard to find
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22:34:21GodEater_but if you DID get one - you'd be able to use it no problem
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22:36:37BRi7Xwell, do you know of anyone selling gigabeat f's still? i'd get an s if the s port was up... i was able to get that f40 last may when the other broke
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22:37:01GodEater_BRi7X: as far as I know, ebay is the only place to get them these days
22:38:24GodEater_for example...
22:38:51GodEater_nice and cheap too
22:38:57GodEater_and only 2 hours left on the auction
22:39:01GodEater_it's almost tempting...
22:40:16Horschtvery cheap
22:40:49BRi7Xhow used is used? for some reason i think it's a little bit yes damaged than mine, which is perfectly fine
22:40:58*nanok would get one, but tends to drive to hard during the daily comute, a hdd player wouldn't take it..
22:41:26scorche|wno one bid on that so i can use it as an example for a guy who has one off of craigslist >_>
22:41:40BRi7Xbut i need a new gigabeat :(
22:42:08*scorche|w whistles
22:42:35GodEater_BRi7X: ignore him :)
22:42:39GodEater_bid on it if you want it
22:42:57Nico_Ptoffe82 ?
22:43:09toffe82Nico_P: yes
22:43:26Nico_Phi. I was just wondering whether you knew about S batteries
22:43:35Nico_Pmine seems to be quite weak
22:44:07toffe82less than 8 hours
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22:44:33GodEater_ooh - there's a G5 there too
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22:44:38GodEater_haven't seen one of those before
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22:44:48Nico_PI never really measured, but I'm always surprised by how it goes down... I guess I should measure once
22:44:53toffe82I use it in the past and didn't get more than that
22:44:56nanok"tem is in good condition. I have owned it for about a year. I don't have a need for it anymore. Your loss is my gain."
22:45:04Nico_PI never actually use the player though
22:45:04nanokthat's nice
22:45:05toffe82do you have harmonics on ?
22:45:09nanok"your loss is my gain"
22:45:10bEnNdoes anyone know a good linux distro to compile on?
22:45:16GodEater_There's a MES60 up there for $132 too
22:45:24GodEater_bEnN: they all work just the same
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22:45:30Nico_Ptoffe82: I don't think so, but as I said I only use the player for occasional rockbox hacking
22:45:39bEnNi need one that can compile, and can be loaded on2 a usb
22:45:45toffe82GodEaterI got a s60 for 50$ 2 weeks ago ;)
22:45:54GodEater_toffe82: a working one ?
22:46:03nanokbEnN: maybe try damn small linux?
22:46:14GodEater_nanok: don't think it ships with gcc does it ?
22:46:19toffe82it was supposed to be broken but it was working, I just reload the firmware
22:46:20JdGordon|wrunning on zunelinuz
22:46:21bEnNany others, dsl doesnt work with my internet
22:46:23nanokbEnN: i am not sure about the development tools included though
22:46:38bEnNubuntu would be good, but to big
22:46:41nanokGodEater_: yeah, that's the problem
22:46:58GodEater_toffe82: nice result ;)
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22:47:24GodEater_I can't think of any "usb stick" distros which ship with development tools
22:47:33nanokbEnN: you could also try knoppix, maybe. it surely is one of the fastest ways to get a fucntional linux desktop to your machine
22:47:55bEnNi can only install it on a usb
22:47:58GodEater_toffe82: what are you doing with all these gigabeats? ;)
22:48:05nanokfastest and easyest (not much trouble). it is not small though
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22:48:22bEnNis there a way to strip it down under 500mb?
22:48:25pixelmaGodEater: see TowerOfRockbox wiki ;)
22:49:05GodEater_you're buying them JUST to make a TowerOfRockbox?
22:49:09GodEater_I'm not sure I buy it ;)
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22:49:43toffe82I have only 6 working one f11 , 2 f10 1 s30 1s60 and a v30
22:50:02GodEater_you're not going to get a G then ? :)
22:50:04toffe82all the other, like 15 are broken
22:50:22bEnNcan any1 to a little compile thingy for me
22:50:30bEnNjust change a bit of code in the bootloader?
22:50:36toffe82I forgot I have a X30
22:50:52toffe82the one I actually use
22:51:07Horschtwhy, toffe82?
22:51:14GodEater_bEnN: why not use either the vmware image, or cygwin?
22:51:15Horschtisn't one player enough?
22:51:18GodEater_then you don't need linux at all
22:51:28bEnNwhat is cygwin like?
22:51:34bEnNcause vmware is to big
22:51:36GodEater_toffe82: there's a G5 gigabeat on ebat too
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22:51:41GodEater_ebay even
22:52:07BRi7Xhow is the Gigabeat S port coming along? i hear homebrew code is runnable now?
22:52:29GodEater_BRi7X: it's coming along nicely :)
22:52:39GodEater_still not "user" ready yet
22:52:43toffe82Horscht: I am a collector
22:52:59GodEater_ooh, there's a V30 too
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22:54:18bEnNwith cygwin, is it easy to uninstall, because im only lickly to use it once
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22:55:50GodEater_toffe82: is the T400 hardware interesting ?
22:56:00BRi7Xso i just bid on that used f40 (no one screw me, please... haha)... so by the time that breaks, S port might be done?
22:56:05toffe82I don't know, never see it
22:56:25GodEater_just your colour if it's really pink :) :)
22:56:51GodEater_BRi7X: there are lots of other F40s for sale there too - but I don't think anyone here is quite mean enough to jack the price on purpose
22:57:18GodEater_as for the "when" on the S port - it's impossible to say
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22:57:28GodEater_as usual - we don't give release dates / estimates
22:57:42Horschtany ETA on the ETA?
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22:58:09GodEater_I can't believe the number of gigabeat S for sale now
22:58:17GodEater_there were NONE to be seen when I looked a few months back
22:58:20GodEater_there's bloody LOADS now
22:58:41Horschtis that a sign that it's not good?
22:59:04Bagderthey've given up waiting on the rockbox port? B-]
22:59:09GodEater_Bagder: hehehe
22:59:10toffe82GodEater: a lot have a broken lcd
22:59:17BRi7Xso should I buy a gigabeat S and keep it in storage until the rockbox port is ready?
22:59:27BigBambiif you like
22:59:33GodEater_BRi7X: that's entirely up to you
23:00:16GodEater_right - it's past my bedtime - later all
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23:01:26AceNikguys fs#8379 seems to be very promising, im using it on my h10 currently seems to have made it much more stable in terms of battery readings atleast, should notice an increase, can anyone else pitch in to continue work on it ?
23:01:56bEnNcan someone change a bit of code in the ipod bootloader for me
23:02:41krazykitbEnN, you can download the source and do it yourself
23:03:25bEnNim just warery of using cygwin, as my computer is getting quirte slowq
23:04:42krazykitcygwin shouldn't slow down your computer when it isn't running.
23:05:35bEnNhow about uninstalling, is it easy?
23:06:06bEnNas im only going to use it once
23:06:33krazykiti would assume it's easy enough.
23:07:00AceNikhey amiconn you there?
23:07:20bEnNill try it
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23:10:28*einhirn unlurks
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23:10:45einhirnGood evening (at least in CET)
23:10:52***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:14:04BRi7Xand in EST...
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23:15:22bEnNomfg firefox crashed :'(
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23:17:56bEnNhey can come1 help me install cygin?
23:18:38linuxstb_This page can -
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23:18:52bEnNon the page with tha pictures
23:19:03bEnNit has a tar archiver ticked
23:19:08bEnNi cant find one in my installer
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23:25:45BRi7Xaww, some dick keeps outbidding me on the Gigabeat F40
23:26:02markunit wasn't me!
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23:26:22BRi7Xsome guy named humphrey bogart
23:26:28BRi7Xbogarting my next gigabeat
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23:28:43BRi7Xman, this sucks
23:33:00markunBRi7X: your nick reminds me of
23:33:32BRi7Xi've been told it looks like bricks a lot... it's really pronounced Bri (as in Brian) then seven X
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23:40:34nanokBRi7X: how do you pronounce the seven x's? all together, or each spelles separately?
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23:50:42BRi7XSeven X, separately
23:50:55BRi7Xsometimes i do the following to avoid confusion
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23:51:35krazykitBrian7X, nanok, please keep in mind this is an on-topic channel
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23:52:14Brian7Xyes I know, which brings me to my next point, could you recommend a player besides gigabeat f (with very similar features, but not an ipod)?
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23:52:28Brian7Xone of those similar features is of course rockbox compatibility
23:52:30krazykitthe BuyersGuide on the wiki would be a good start
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23:52:46Brian7Xwhat's your personal choice?
23:52:55krazykitgigabeat f
23:53:00*linuxstb_ too ;)
23:53:18krazykitthe s, probably, if/when rockbox gets ported
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23:54:50jac0bto use the simulator with linux do I need to install wine
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23:55:15krazykitthere's a native simulator for linux
23:55:18jac0bhow do I strt it
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23:55:38krazykitcd to the directory, ./rockboxui
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23:57:58krazykitjac0b, more information can be found on the UiSimulator wiki page, including how to build it for linux
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