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#rockbox log for 2008-01-16

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00:31:15scorche|wRob2222: connection issues?
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00:33:45Rob2222nah, tuning miranda
00:34:28scorche|wRob2222: if you could, can you finish tuning it and then come back after? :)
00:34:56JdGordon|wno such thing as finish tuning miranda
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00:35:19tapiocapuddinghey umm how can i get my ipod to connect to the computer and just charge but not do anything else
00:35:48tapiocapuddingthis seems to happen sometimes when i'm in the apps menu
00:35:50Rob2222o set it up offline, dont know, why it's going online all the time. normally it shouldnt go on
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00:36:40soaptapiocapudding, I believe this is described in the manual - but press and hold "Menu" while inserting the USB cable.
00:37:40tapiocapuddingok, thanks. I didn't see it in the manual though
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00:54:10asnIs the current playing track supposed to stop when I want to start pacbox?
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00:59:44einhirnHas anyone ever tried to write to "MAS_D0_MPEG_FRAME_COUNT" as to "keep it running" since it doesn't wrap?
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01:01:03einhirnMaybe that would enable us to place the "Track Changed" event and subsequent loading of new Replaygain settings more exactly to the actual Trackchange in Playback (ie, what the user hears)
01:01:48einhirn(The Idea is: Keep Track of how many frames there are to the end of the track in memory and how many of them the MAS already has decoded)
01:03:21einhirnHmm - got to go to bed now, just had to tell someone that thought i developed in the last hour(s)...
01:03:40einhirnEven if it is only the "Logbot".
01:04:27einhirnbye
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01:34:20Motosuwahmmm...the simulator can't find any songs
01:34:26Motosuwathis shouldn't happen, should?
01:38:02scorchedo you have songs in the sim's directory?
01:38:11Motosuwayes, one song
01:39:08Motosuwaah, found it
01:40:28Motosuwabtw, which usb logo is the one used on nano? 128x37x16, 128x37x16 or another one?
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02:25:19JETC-http://pastebin.com/db7e2c1c
02:25:26JETC-Anyone know why I'm getting this error?
02:25:34JETC-I'm trying to build a sim for x5
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02:30:32JETC-Nvm...found the answer in previous logs :3
02:31:14JETC-Posting errors here seems to be more useful than putting in pastebin it seems since the logs here are archived and cached into google search as well
02:31:15JETC-:3
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03:20:21countrymonkeyIs it possible that rbutil can have a new release in its current state? Rbutil allows voicebuilding and talkclip generation, both being difficult since speex voices were implimented.
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03:43:17krazykitcountrymonkey, a new version of rbutil will be released when those working on it think it's ready.
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03:52:29crazy_busI want to get a cheap player for rockbox. The sandisk sansa e and c series both work with rockbox but have different features with their commercial firmware. So I'm wondering if I will be able to do anything different on a more expensive model when using rockbox besides a bigger screen?
03:53:33LloreanNot really.
03:55:09ViakenWhat do you mean they have different features with their commercial firmware?
03:55:12goffalol.. store more if it has more storage :)
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03:56:09ViakenThe only thing I know of is USB doesn't work, but it's really transparent. You plug it in, the bootloader pulls up the factory firmware to do syncing. You unplug it, rockbox starts again.
03:56:39crazy_busthe e series is meant to do more things in the product description. Like record radio. I was wondering if this was just a firmware feature so it would be essentially the same as a c series when using rockbox
03:57:47ViakenRockbox can record radio.
03:58:01ViakenI have an e series.
03:58:05LloreanThe recording on the Sandisk players is pretty miserable anyway. They're pretty restrictive on the sample rate.
03:58:52Viaken22something hertz, IIRC.
03:59:09Llorean22050 hertz.
03:59:20jhMikeSLlorean: They're a bit more restrictive than they have to be. It might be possible to coax 32kHz for FM quality.
03:59:30LloreanjhMikeS: That's good at least
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04:00:09ViakenI meant khz...brain's out to lunch, apparently.
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04:01:25crazybusmy internet just dropped out for some reason. So I missed any replies
04:02:13countrymonkeyRb can do all that the sandisk firmware can do, like record radio. The only thing it cannot do is usb.
04:05:39crazybusdoes rockbox work well on the sandisk sansa's. Or is it better to get a different player to try its other featrues (emulation etc)
04:06:46jhMikeSit works on sansas quite well imo
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04:08:09crazybuswould you recommend I buy a c200 or e200 for rockbox. (I have a c100 at the moment but it doesn't support rockbox)
04:08:27ViakenWorks great on my e200.
04:08:55jhMikeSIf a tiny player is important, c200. e200 has a much nicer display and would be better if video has any importance.
04:09:19crazybusis video worth watching on a e200?
04:10:40soapcool_walking_, , buschel - reloaded v10 of the Device Disable patch - can easily spin the scroll wheel at such a speed that no scrolling happens.
04:10:56jhMikeSit's pretty decent since it's a good screen on a compact flash player
04:10:57soapagain, cool_walking_, not the fastest speed, not the slowest speed -
04:11:00countrymonkeyI don't know. Make sure you buy a v1. It should not say, "audible support" on it's box. Some are mislabeled though.
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04:11:16cool_walking_Hrm.. I just started a battery bench about an hour ago.. Do you care more about that or this bug?
04:12:10soapbuschel is the man to ask that. You have 12 hours max left in your battery bench, so ask him in 12 ;)
04:12:49countrymonkeyAnd some say v2 but are really v1s. The only true way to tell is going and getting the firmware version. I don't know how to do it but some here do.
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04:20:07crazybussorry. I forgot to say thanks for everyones answers :)
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04:30:35countrymonkeyどいたしまして your welcome
04:30:55scorche>_>
04:31:09cool_walking_Aah yes thats the one
04:31:20cool_walking_I keep accidentally doing >.> instead of >_>
04:31:45cool_walking_or is it the other way around?
04:31:54cool_walking_oh crap.. this is #rockbox
04:32:14countrymonkeyWhat is >_> supposed to mean?
04:32:22krazykitplease stay on topic
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04:32:48eigmazomg UTF-8
04:34:11countrymonkeywhat
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04:53:53crazybusthis wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port says microsdhd works on the e200 with rockbox. But the c200 page doesn't mention it. Does it?
04:54:01countrymonkeyRasher, is there a possibility you will modify your translator to be able to 1) make new langs and 2) do rbutil translation? Even 1 would I think make more translations availible.
04:55:04countrymonkeyはい yes
04:55:22Lloreancrazybus: It's suppose to.
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04:56:09crazybusone final question. Is the simulator only for windows. As the link here is only for it http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port
04:56:41krazykitcountrymonkey, i believe there are tools to translate the files that rbutil uses (since it's qt and would use standard qt tools)
04:56:42countrymonkeyYou can build simulators for anything. The prebuilt ones at rasher.dk or windows only.
04:57:20countrymonkeyI forgot about linguist but you are right.
04:58:48crazybusthanks again krazykit
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05:01:34VivianCHello all. My name is Chris and I just signed up for TWiki access. Directions say I need to come here and introduce myself. I have a Sansa E260 and I'm working on a couple themes.
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05:05:22countrymonkeyWhat is your name? I will add you.
05:05:37countrymonkeyI mean your full name.
05:05:39VivianCThanks. It is Chris Padar in the application.
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05:07:02countrymonkeydone
05:07:25VivianCThank you. I'm looking forward to having someting to share.
05:07:44countrymonkeyI was the same way until rasher signed me up. :)
05:08:42VivianCI have been following the project for years but just recently got the Sansa. Rockbox support was a key requirement this time. :)
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05:09:15countrymonkeyI started in 2007. Is your sansa your first rockboxable mp3 player?
05:09:22VivianCYes
05:09:47VivianCI got it around Thanksgiving and started playing.
05:10:17countrymonkeyI just realized, I started on 1/07/07 at 8:00 PSt. It is now 1/15/08 at 8:00 PSt. I have been using rb for exactly a year now!
05:10:42VivianCMissed your RB birthday. :)
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05:11:44crazybusVivianC: I'm thinking of getting a new sansa since my c100 doesn't work with rockbox. How are you liking your one with rockbox?
05:12:13VivianCI really like it. In fact, I just bought a second one for my wife.
05:12:18countrymonkeyYou are lucky to have a sansa. You have rec and radio. I have an ipod with krap recording and no radio at all. I got it for a xmas gift.
05:12:53countrymonkeyow much are those sansas anyway?
05:13:25VivianCyou can find a 4 gig refurb for between $55 and $80 US.
05:13:28LloreanI bought a c250 for $16. So you can sometimes find them really cheap.
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05:13:50VivianC$16? I'm shopping in the wrong places.
05:14:14LloreanIt was at woot.com one day
05:14:22countrymonkeyMy friend needs a c280.
05:14:29countrymonkeyIf such a thing exists.
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05:15:45VivianCMy E260 was $50 on Woot
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05:16:24countrymonkeyWhere?
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05:16:50VivianCwoot.com, a kind of fire-sale type of site.
05:17:00crazybusare mp3 players cheaper where you live. Because even with currency conversion prices are much more expensive in australia
05:17:25goffawoot is interesting
05:17:30goffa1 item/day
05:17:35goffawhen its gone its gone
05:17:51countrymonkeySo woot is like ebay?
05:17:55goffai heard they have a brick and mortar store... never understood how that would opperate
05:17:56VivianCMust be cheaper here. They almost seem to give some away.
05:17:58goffano
05:18:07goffawoot has 1 item PERIOD
05:18:09Lloreancrazybus: MP3 players are quite cheap in the US, overall
05:18:14goffathey might have 1000 of them that day
05:18:29goffaone day it could be a vacuum, the next a camera, etc
05:18:35VivianCWoot does one iten per day, as goffa said, until it sells out.
05:18:41scorchegoffa: technically, they have 3....but this si getting offtopic
05:18:42goffamore like home shopping network
05:18:57scorche1 "item", 1 wine, 1 shirt
05:19:06goffaah
05:19:38countrymonkeyWhen it's sold you wait till the next day?
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05:19:52scorchecountrymonkey: yes....google for more info...
05:20:40VivianCSo they had the E260 back in November for a day and then again on1-7 (when I bought the second one).
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05:21:10VivianCI've also seen Buy.com carry refurbs for a bit more.
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05:23:53VivianCgood night all, I'm off to read the Twiki tutorial.
05:24:16countrymonkeyawf widersehen
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06:15:24magenpiei just rolled back firmware on sansa c250 so that i could use rockbox
06:15:52magenpieone problem: seems to be hanging after i select initialize database
06:16:26magenpiesays building database...63 found but nothing happens
06:17:50cool_walking_Do you have free space left on the disk?
06:18:06crazy_busI'm using the sandisk c200 simulator in wine but I can't access everything. The arrow keys work but space doesn't do anything
06:18:37cool_walking_crazy_bus: Why in Wine?? Why not just compile a native version?
06:19:12magenpiei haven't even put one song on it! lol
06:19:20crazy_buscool_walking_: I'm using a really old pc while my proper one is being fixed and I cant be bothered to install mingw
06:20:10crazy_busif I did that you I be able to select things?
06:20:31LloreanWhy do you need mingw?
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06:20:50cool_walking_magenpie: okay I'm told that usually this is caused by corrupt tags in one or more of your music files. Usually people get around it by deleting all tracks off the player, then copying them back in chunks until you find the bad file.
06:21:12magenpieoh ok...i don't want those tracks anyway...ty
06:21:19magenpiei'll give it a try
06:21:27crazy_busmingw to compile it. Unless their is a linux binary for rockbox
06:22:06scorcheare you referring to the sims or rockbox?
06:22:13crazy_busactually I read it wrong. You don't need that.
06:22:13crazy_bussims
06:23:16magenpiehmmmm...nothing is showing in the music folder
06:23:29magenpiei'm in linux
06:23:35magenpiebrb
06:28:43magenpiei wonder why i can't see the files
06:29:08goffayou probably have show playlists enabled
06:29:09goffaor something
06:29:14goffainstead of show all files
06:29:33magenpiewhere?
06:29:55goffaum
06:30:04magenpiei can see the files in my e280
06:30:17goffasettings > general > show files
06:30:19goffapick all
06:30:28cool_walking_settings -> general -> file view -> show files
06:30:48goffathanks cool_walking_
06:30:54goffai missed one step
06:31:12magenpiei did select that
06:31:18magenpielet me look at it again
06:31:35cool_walking_Is it set to "all" ?
06:31:48magenpieone sec
06:32:13crazy_buswhy does the sandisk e200 get 16 hours with rockbox when the c200 gets 5. I thought they were essentially the same
06:32:49magenpieall
06:33:05magenpiebut how does that affect the player when it's connected to computer?
06:33:19cool_walking_It doesn't. It only affects rockbox
06:33:26magenpieah
06:33:36cool_walking_Do you mean you can't see the files on the computer?
06:33:47magenpieyes
06:33:52goffaah.. i misread
06:33:58goffalinux or windows?
06:34:08magenpielinux
06:34:20goffawhat happens when you look at rockbox as root?
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06:34:27goffaer your player
06:34:37magenpiebut let me say this...i selected all but in rockbox when i go to files, music, nothing appears either
06:35:01cool_walking_Sounds like there are actually no files there
06:35:02goffai just want to rule out permissions
06:35:12magenpiehmmmm
06:35:55cool_walking_If they don't appear in Rockbox, you're either looking in the wrong place, or they physically are not there
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06:36:17cool_walking_That is, when you have "show files" set to "all"
06:43:14magenpiethere are songs on this player! they're playing in orig firmware
06:44:53cool_walking_Are you looking in "Files" from the main menu in Rockbox?
06:45:25magenpiemusic
06:45:44magenpieoh, sorry...
06:45:53magenpiefiles from main menu in rockbox, yes
06:46:54cool_walking_What's in there?
06:47:13magenpienothing is listed
06:47:21cool_walking_nothing at all?
06:47:25magenpiebut i can play them from sansa firmware
06:47:28magenpienothing at all
06:47:32cool_walking_at the very least there should be a folder called ".rockbox"
06:47:45cool_walking_if not, you haven't set the "show files" setting to "all"
06:47:45magenpiethere is a folder called .rockbox
06:48:01cool_walking_anything else?
06:48:04magenpiei'm saying i don't see any music files in music
06:48:06magenpieone sec
06:49:05magenpie.rockbox, .rockbox (2), MUSIC, PHOTO, PLAYLISTS, RECORD, SYSTEM, tmp, etc
06:51:15JETC-Just a simple simulation build question
06:51:16cool_walking_I don't know anything about the e280 original firmware. Did you use Windows Explorer to copy-paste your music to the player, or some special software?
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06:51:38JETC-After I build the simulation...could I just do a make zip and package the simulator contents like that?
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06:56:08magenpiei can't see those music files in windows either
06:56:24magenpiehow can i get rid of them if i can't see them??? lol
06:57:25JETC-Do you have windows explorer to actually show hidden files?
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06:59:08magenpielet me see
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07:00:19magenpieyes
07:01:01cool_walking_Right-click on each of those folders (MUSIC, PHOTO, etc.) and select "properties". This should tell you for certain if there are any files in there, under "Contains". If there are files in there, the "Size:" should be greater than 0, also.
07:01:12magenpiek
07:01:52magenpiesays 0
07:02:07magenpieso, what am i listening to?
07:02:17cool_walking_Well then there definitely are no files in that folder. Try looking in the other folders.
07:02:24magenpieok, i'll drag a new track in and see
07:02:34magenpiethere are files in the other folders
07:02:42magenpiebut no PHOTOS
07:03:13cool_walking_I'd say the music would probably be under SYSTEM somewhere
07:03:31magenpiei'll check
07:08:47magenpieok...is working now
07:09:16magenpiei guess rockbox didn't find a track so the initialize database didn't go anywhere
07:09:24JETC-Anyone know how I can distribute the sim I just compiled? :3
07:09:30magenpiety for your help
07:10:08cool_walking_I have no idea if make zip will work, but did you try it?
07:10:38JETC-Yeah...didn't work
07:10:40JETC-:3
07:10:57JETC-Just zipped everything that's needed by rockbox to run normally
07:11:05JETC-Not really the simulator
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07:11:54cool_walking_Well, I don't have a build environment here, but I think the only files you need are rockboxui.exe, sdl.dll, and archos/
07:12:02LloreanJETC-: Make zip really ought to work. "make install" just does a make zip then extracts it to a specific location, if I understand correctly
07:12:25JdGordonanyone else think J Mac on the tracker is our favorite resident moron?
07:12:56JETC-Well, I'm checking out rasher's sims and looking what files are needed
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07:17:36JETC-Well I don't have the sdl.dll which rasher has.
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07:18:29cool_walking_You must have it if you can run the sim
07:18:33cool_walking_It just might be somewhere else
07:18:40cool_walking_probably in c:\windows\system32
07:19:02cool_walking_you can always grab it from libsdl.org anyway
07:19:55cool_walking_or you can use rashers version
07:20:01cool_walking_sdl.dll doesn't change
07:22:53JETC-Yeah, I'm sure I do but like when I do a make on the folder. It doesn't conveniently put in the same directory ;o
07:23:31JETC-Ok, it seems to be working
07:24:41JETC-Now, hopefully this helps the person making the themes for x5 :3
07:26:29LloreanThe best thing you can do for themes is recommend people use the official build, or a build using only the few viewports patches, since that way they're unlikely to be broken again soon
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07:29:52JETC-Yeah...I just patched it with the viewports patch in flyspray with multifonts and customlist
07:29:53JETC-:3
07:30:12JETC-Will the viewports list replace the customlist?
07:30:33LloreanCustomlist will be replaced, yes.
07:30:52LloreanAnd there's no guarantee at all multifont functionality will work in the same way, or support as many, fonts as the current patch does.
07:34:50JETC-Well, as of right now, multifonts patch seems to be kept alive nicely by tdtooke and custom list by kugel.
07:35:08JETC-So, I'm sure it'll still be handy in a few months at least.
07:36:10LloreanWhat do you mean?
07:37:06Llorean"customlist" should've already been closed.
07:37:09LloreanWhat tracker entry is it?
07:37:20JdGordonit was closed?
07:37:20JETC-5899
07:37:38LloreanJdGordon: Well *someone* ought to close the old non-viewports one
07:37:49LloreanRight?
07:37:56JdGordonoh... for some reason i read shouldnt have
07:38:29JdGordonmeh, it can wait for mine to get finished before closing.. its not really doing any harm staying open
07:38:53LloreanWell it does in the sense that people think it's going to stick around.
07:38:59JETC-Maybe a bit more documentation on the viewports list? I'm not a wps expert I'm not sure what's the condition of the viewports lists at
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07:47:11zuleanyone have a link to ZenFirm.exe?
07:47:40scorchei dont recognize that as having anything to do with rockbox..
07:48:39zuleit's to decode ZEN firmware, to further allow a port of rockbox, thus being related enough for me to ask here
07:48:41zule:D
07:48:47zulebut I take that as a no
07:49:04zuleit's mentioned at the rockbox forum, and google nor searches of the site are finding it
07:50:59scorcheah...you might be waiting around a bit for an answer then...i have no clue :)
07:52:54zuletis all good, I'll keep digging
07:53:23zulejust thinking of helping take a look at the ZEN platform now that I have one and trying to get as far as other already had a while back
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08:34:29markunscorche: just saw in #gigabeat that you've bought a F40. Congratulations :)
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08:35:04scorchemarkun: not yet...tomorrow sometime, most likely
08:35:19scorchei dont knwo what i am going to use it for besides another brick for the tower, but /shrug
08:45:10amiconnmarkun: Btw, how is rockbox battery runtime on gigabeat compared to OF?
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08:47:04markunamiconn: I believe they are about the same, 16-18 hours or something.
08:48:06amiconnBut no one measured so far?
08:48:18markunalthough mine lasts a bit longer because I changed the 830mAh battery for a 1000mAh one
08:48:50markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime
08:49:24markunThere were some OF runtime tests at mygigabeat.com from before rockbox was ported
08:49:39markunone guy got 19 hours, but noone was able to reproduce that
08:51:45markunI'm trying to find the forum posts..
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08:53:05amiconnQuite a lot of variation, given that most benchmarks were run using mp3
08:53:42markunyes, a lot
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08:54:32markunbut the highest ones are with a new battery
08:54:35amiconn(even when not counting those stating an upgraded battery)
08:56:18markunI don't understand why the overwrote the battery benchmark file..
08:58:34markunclaiming over 19 hours and then linking to an existing battery benchmark with 15..
08:59:00*amiconn still wonders what's up with cpu scaling on gigabeat
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09:00:10markunme too. We've tried a lot, but everything had a negative effect
09:00:23markunand the runtime is not bad as it is without scaling anyway
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09:02:18amiconnDid someone test power consumption or runtime without cpu sleep?
09:03:26amiconnI can think a a few explanations why cpu scaling doesn't improve runtime, but all of them are not very plausible
09:04:38amiconn(1) cpu sleep is so damn efficient that consumption drops to practically zero when sleeping. (2) cpu power consumption is a very small part of the total power consumption of the device. (3) the cpu does somehow implement a very clever auto-scaling
09:05:18hcs(4) magic
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10:22:17pondlifeHmm, does JdGordon's message on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8464 mean that we now have a PSP port? :)
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10:26:49GodEaterCompetition, How many ways can we come up with to do this : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14969.0
10:27:01GodEaterprizes for shortest solution, and most complicated
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10:27:46GodEaterand for most entertaining critique of my submission :)
10:30:37linuxstbShouldn't you do the strrchr on newfilename?
10:31:04*GodEater suspects a segfault would happen if you did that
10:31:43linuxstbWhy? I mean after you copy oldfilename into it.
10:31:54GodEaterah
10:31:57GodEaterwell you didn't say that ;)
10:32:01linuxstbYou also need to check the return value of strrchr.
10:32:13linuxstb(it could be NULL)
10:32:15GodEaterwell technically the way I did it you don't even need newfilename
10:32:36GodEateryou could just output oldfilename after you've set the '\0' into it
10:32:49GodEaterand yes, strrchr should be checked
10:32:52GodEaterbut I did say it was dirty
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10:36:48Rhehi there.. is there a guide which can show me how the controls change when using rockbox? i got the firmware off of that program with the GUI
10:37:03Rheh340 btw
10:37:16peturyes, it is called the manual
10:37:23GodEater"that program with the GUI" <−− could you be less descriptive
10:37:44Rheman.. typical not helping flamers
10:37:47Rhelet's see
10:38:03Rhehmm deleted the program
10:38:14peturwhat is not helpfull? I point you to the manual
10:38:28Rheyeah the manual i read when rockbox for iriver first came out
10:38:32Rhe2 years ago was it?
10:38:42Rheand i couldn't use it because of the lack of controls description
10:38:50Mouser_Xpetur and GodEater != flamers. I can assure you that your interpretation is entirely flawed.
10:38:54conandolol
10:39:12peturmaybe the manual got updated since the last 2 years?
10:39:25Mouser_XReally?!!! Impossible!
10:39:27GodEaterpetur, I've heard a rumour that is has been
10:39:38GodEaterjust once or twice...
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10:40:04Rheoh great.. now i can't open the rockbox.org
10:40:20ZagorRhe: I'm updateing the web server. back up in a few minutes.
10:40:20peturhahaha Zagor is the man!
10:40:39Rhewell forget about it.. i haven't still learned from years of experience that people in coding communities are no help at all
10:40:46Rhei'll figure it out one way or the other
10:41:34Mouser_XRhe: They did help. You seem to be impatient.
10:41:53Mouser_XThe manual will be available in a few minutes.
10:42:00peturRhe: if nobody read the manual and just asked here, life would be bad here...
10:42:11Zagorweb server is back up
10:45:08conandoso i guess you consider the sheer existence of rockbox in the first place to be not helpfull too? ;)
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11:42:33BagderTotal Members: 15009
11:42:46Bagderon the forums
11:43:57markunwow
11:44:13Bagderpretty amazing number
11:44:20peturand that is just people who bother to register there...
11:44:36markunand 3329 people on the rockbox map
11:45:46markunwould unique hostnames/ip's in the download statistics tell us something about the total amount of rockbox users?
11:46:09desowinand 42 stacks at ohloh ;)
11:46:15cool_walking_I've downloaded rockbox from at least 3 IPs
11:47:35desowinmarkun: also there're dynamic ips...
11:47:41Bagderduring dec 2007, 201000 www.rockbox.org got unique visitors/IPs
11:47:53Bagderuh, in another order ;-)
11:47:59cool_walking_At least with dynamic IPs you could possibly sort them out by block
11:49:19cool_walking_Well ya gotta admit, it's a pretty awesome project.
11:49:26Bagderwell, there are also proxies with a single IP that hide many users
11:49:36cool_walking_I don't think I've ever thanked you guys... so thanks.
11:51:34desowingo down the street and ask each portable player owner if he knows about rockbox ;)
11:53:02markuncool_walking_: you're welcome :)
11:56:07*cool_walking_ is sure there is a response to "you're welcome" in the "thank you" "you're welcome" .... protocol, but doesn'
11:56:17cool_walking_...know what it is
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12:29:37broomIn the menu, there are two entries 'Write .cfg file'. Wouldn't it be better to explicitly tell what settings are saved (like it's done for sound and theme settings)? All settings and recording settings are just called '.cfg'
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13:50:29markunI have a suggestion for the manual: a small border around the screenshots.
13:51:18markunThe 'flipit' plugin has a white background, and on the white PDF that looks a bit weird
13:51:37markunsame for snake2
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13:53:39markunwith the new default theme the manual will look even more professional
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14:15:14GodEaterhas anyone enhanced wpbuild.pl enough to get it in as default theme yet ?
14:19:27PaulJamcould someone close FS #8181 ?
14:20:42peturfixed?
14:21:50*petur learns to read the closure request reason
14:22:35PaulJamyes, last time i tried there was no spinup anymore. i don't know when it was fixed.
14:23:41markunstupid forum... always stopping to respond just when I try to submit a post :(
14:25:01peturI hope you saved what you were typing ;)
14:25:15GodEaterseems to be responding ok to me....
14:25:30GodEaterI can even see your latest post...
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14:54:50markunpetur, GodEater: yes, I got though eventually. It was about 1 minute that the firefox icon was spinning.
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15:07:08PaulJamwould it be possible to implement the possibility to change the delay between audio and video in mpegplayer in order to maintain a/v syncronisation? for the case that the original video is already out of sync.
15:07:45GodEaterI'm not sure the word possibly appears in that sentence enough times :)
15:08:08rvvs89Wouldn't that be achievable in the video encoder?
15:09:35peturyou need to reencode anyway - better to fix it there, no?
15:10:10PaulJamrvvs89: yes, but it would be nice to be able to do it on the target as well, in case you didn't notice while encoding.
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15:11:02peturand wouldn't any wrong sync change over time (match at begining and out of sync at the end)?
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15:11:36LloreanYeah, it's rare that I see a video that's consistently X.Y seconds out of sync.
15:11:45LloreanUsually it's an issue of different rates on the audio and the video.
15:14:23PaulJami often get out of sync audio (with a constant delay) when i encode .flv files with mencoder (sometimes it helps to use "-mc 0", but not always).
15:20:59LloreanI've never had sync issues with flv, but there's probably a wide range in those files. Also, I don't use mencoder.
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15:21:48LloreanBut it seems making playback more complicated, and harder to improve/maintain, for poorly encoded files might not be a good idea. I can't imagine adding variable offset for audio making things simpler. ;)
15:23:23LambdaCalculus37Good morning!
15:23:32markunmorning LambdaCalculus37 ;)
15:24:43GodEaterdoes TeX ditch spaces that run over a line end ?
15:30:44PaulJamLlorean: which encoder do you use?
15:32:35LambdaCalculus37GodEater: IIRC I think it does.
15:32:40LambdaCalculus37I could be wrong, though.
15:32:46LloreanPaulJam: Just straight ffmpeg
15:33:17GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: actually it doesn't - but evince is rendering the manual page wrong
15:33:18LloreanThey use the same decoders and encoders, but the sync is probably handled a good deal more simply in ffmpeg since it doesn't have all the extras there used for playback, subtitles, etc.
15:33:25GodEaterAcrobat renders it with the space
15:34:03PaulJamLlorean: thanks, i guess i'll give it a try.
15:34:13LloreanPaulJam: And again, feature requests belong in the tracker
15:34:20LloreanI'm almost positive I've told you this before.
15:34:22GodEaterah no - wrong again
15:34:30GodEaterit just looks better in acroread
15:34:38GodEaterthere's still no space there either
15:34:39GodEaterhmmm
15:35:46PaulJamwell, i thought it would be better to ask here before spamming the tracker.
15:36:30LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Been a while since I wrote any TeX, anyway. :) But I should at least pick up LaTeX for helping with the manual.
15:36:35LloreanYou were requesting a feature to be added, though
15:37:01markunI personally think it's ok to discuss feature requests in here
15:37:01PaulJami asked it it would be possible.
15:37:15LloreanI mean, you phrased it as "is it physically possible" but it's not a leap to realize that audio or video could be delayed intentionally
15:37:16markunbut I didn't make the rules of course
15:37:33Lloreanmarkun: A feature request in the tracker can be rejected, and visible to future searches.
15:37:47LloreanPeople coming in here and making feature requests have no way to know which ones have been brought up in here before.
15:38:47LloreanIt's just much preferable if they're actually *requesting* the feature that it go in the right place.
15:39:01LloreanIt's only spam if it's been requested before.
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15:53:39GodEateris mkinfo.pl supposed to be created by something when building the manual ?
15:53:47GodEaterI don't seem to have it in my source tree
15:56:09PaulJamshould be in tools/
15:59:20GodEaterthe build process is hunting for it in manual/platforms
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16:04:55pixelmaGodEater: no, that's a bug which has been there for a while but it doesn't hurt in the build process it's just confusing a bit
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16:06:16GodEaterpixelma: ah ok
16:07:06GodEaterpixelma: any ideas on how to fix this missing space issue I've found then? It's in Section 10.3.3 of the Gigabeat manual.
16:07:23GodEaterIn the PDF version there's no space between the "A" and the following word "button"
16:07:48GodEateractually, it's the same in the HTML version too, now that I come to check
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16:08:26pixelmathe before mentioned bug came with the introduction of the rockbox-info.txt, IIRC
16:10:09pixelmaGodEater: usually LaTeX behaves unexpectedly sometimes wrt spaces, especially when using \opt and \nopt
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16:13:53broomGodEater: shouldn't there be a "\" after \ButtonA? (The same as \dap\ ). The first space is eaten since it's the end of macro.
16:15:00pixelma"usually" is a bit exaggerated maybe but I'm not surprised
16:17:42broompixelma: you corrected youself with "sometimes" :-)
16:17:48pixelmahmm found the spot now, I guess broom is right
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16:25:08einhirnI have a Patch in the Patch tracker - and I have updated the "svn diff" file four or five times now, each time adding a new comment with a new attachment.
16:25:55einhirnIs it possible to edit comments? Or just somehow just host the newest version of the patch with the tracker entry?
16:28:05LambdaCalculus37einhirn: What patch is it?
16:28:11einhirn#7747
16:28:46LambdaCalculus37This it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7747?histring=7747
16:29:23einhirnI resolved a conflict with SVN yesterday and didn't produce a new diff file, so the latest Patch file might not apply cleanly...
16:29:30einhirnLambdaCalculus37: yes thats the one.
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16:31:32rockofor the new
16:31:35rockoumm
16:31:45rockowhat was I going to say
16:31:54einhirnI'm reluctant to put the current patch file on a webpage - the webpage might not be available sometime in the future...
16:32:00rockomy ipod is dead. I upgraded to the new rockbox
16:32:05rockolike the latest build
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16:32:19rockothing won't even turn over, I'm not really blaming it on the rockbox
16:32:29rockobut I'm suprised the thing doesn't even try
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16:34:23pixelmaGodEater: yes adding the missing \ or {} there fixes it - the h100, h300 part has the same problem and the Ipod version doesn't use the correct button macro yet. I corrected it here locally and with your permission will commit it later ;)
16:34:37pixelmarocko: what kind of Ipod?
16:34:47einhirnrocko: Does the Manual http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore help?
16:36:46einhirnHmm - I've got to go, I think I'll just add another comment to the Patch tracker...
16:36:55rockoit's an ipod color
16:37:18rockoI'm just real sad
16:37:48pixelmahave you tried resetting it?
16:41:41rockoI don't know how to do that
16:42:17rockoohh I gotta plug it in
16:42:23rockoI don't have one of those with me
16:42:31markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_reset_the_iPod
16:43:03pixelmarocko: short but representative thread from the forums http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7600.0 (as far as I know it's the same button combo for the Ipod Color)
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16:44:44rockoit's got the charging icon now
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16:47:58pondlifeAside from the "toggle hold, then hold MENU+SELECT" method, is there any other reset mechanism for an iPod nano?
16:48:43pondlifeI've been given one which displays only a black screen (with backlight) and I suspect it really is a brick.
16:48:52LambdaCalculus37pondlife: No, I don't believe there is.
16:49:04pondlifeOK, time to get out the hammers :/
16:49:12*LambdaCalculus37 hands one to pondlife
16:49:36*pondlife finds a surplus of Lithium ions was the problem.
16:50:05PaulJampondlife: have you tried charging it for a few hours before performing the reset?
16:50:13pondlifeOvernight on USB.
16:50:20pondlifeI have no mains charger for it
16:50:40pondlifeIt's not recognised as a device by the PC either, but I assume that's normal for this state.
16:54:01pondlifeIt also makes a high-pitched buzz when connected to power; not loud, but I suspect not good either
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17:01:21LambdaCalculus37A buzz? I don't think that's a very good sign either, pondlife.
17:01:33pondlifeMore of a whine, like a broken inverter
17:01:57*pondlife suspects he doesn't have his 5th Rockbox target yet
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17:14:40LambdaCalculus37Something power-related may have toasted in the nano. But I can't really be sure unless I hear it or something.
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17:52:31boothinatorI just registered on the wiki as JoshuaBooth and would like write permissions
17:54:03GodEaterboothinator: done
17:54:11*linuxstb read the logs about a manual A/V offset in mpegplayer and wanted to note that mplayer has such a feature, which is useful for badly encoded videos
17:54:14boothinatorthank you
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19:14:13oskieanyone using sandisk sansa e2x0 here? i don't really understand when it is charging or not
19:15:03asnIs the current playing song supposed to stop when I start pacbox?
19:15:50desowinoskie: yes, e280 here
19:16:57oskiesometimes when i plug it in it stays in rockbox, but shows a big usb cable in the display and everything is frozen until i unplug it
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19:17:42PaulJamasn: this depends on your player. as far as i know only gigabeats are powerful enough for packbox and music playback at the same time.
19:19:58VivianCGreetings from Chicago. I just joined the TWiki last night and it looks like my TWiki Name has a typo that prevents me from editing. It should be ChrisPadar. Is there someone online here who can fix that?
19:20:14asnPaulJam: I see
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19:27:23advcomp2019oskie, how old is the build you have on your sansa
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19:48:44oskieadvcomp2019: not sure.. from december i think
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19:49:12SliMMrasher: are you there?
19:49:36advcomp2019oskie, yea, try updating it
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20:08:20linuxstbasn: I haven't tried it, but there's a patch on the patch tracker to enable pacbox to run as the same time as music on PortalPlayer devices (ipods, Sansas, H10) - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8226
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20:09:53LambdaCalculus37Seems there are NSF issues afoot: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14979.0
20:10:37asnlinuxstb: cool thanks
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20:12:12PaulJamasn: oh, sorry for the misinformation.
20:13:26asnno problem :P thank you too
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20:52:57NielsEwhere is rockbox based upon? linux?
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20:53:23Domonokyon rockbox.. :-) its written from scratch
20:54:40NielsEk, thats cool
20:54:54NielsEand rockbox cannot be themed (yet)?
20:55:13desowinif you mean UI - it can since long time
20:55:18SliMMNielsE: it's fairly customisable
20:55:27Domonokyit can be themed... not all but much of it..
20:55:38NielsEcan it look as good as, for example, the default apple firmware on an ipod?
20:55:46asnNielsE: absolutely ,imo
20:56:10NielsEthe manual uses a fairly old looking theme :p
20:56:11DomonokyNielsE: take a look a the gallery : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
20:56:11asnyou can check screenshots on the internets
20:56:17desowinhttp://www.rockbox-themes.org/
20:56:20asnor rockbox-themes.org
20:56:23asndesowin: :o
20:57:10NielsEI have only skimmed the manual, but is a dual boot possible between the apple firmware and rockbox?
20:57:15asnYes
20:57:22JdGordon|wbah.. stupid random folder advance just played restarted the cd! stupid randomness
20:57:26SliMMNielsE: the only difference from the apple firmware would be that the font is only 1bpp in rockbox
20:57:44NielsEand thats really small?
20:57:45SliMMNielsE: in the apple firmware, the font is 2bpp
20:57:51NielsEk
20:57:58SliMMNielsE: i mean the color depth
20:58:08SliMMnot the size
20:58:26NielsEah k, so the apple firmware has like twice as much colors than rockbox?
20:59:06BigBambino
20:59:14SliMMno, the font has 4 times as much colors as rockbox
20:59:20BigBambiBoth can display the same number of colour
20:59:28BigBambiJust the font...bah
20:59:42*JdGordon|w waits for a 32bpp font patch
20:59:47SliMMNielsE: that means 4 grays instead of simple black
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21:00:08BigBambiinstead of a single colour
21:00:12NielsEah so :)
21:00:18BigBambiIt can be any colour you like, not just black :)
21:00:28SliMMJdGordon: that would mean alpha transparency also, since rockbox doesn't have unifor white background
21:00:33SliMM:P
21:00:53oboisn't there a patch floating around already?
21:00:53SliMMNielsE: just better looking text
21:01:14BigBambiand can infct be multiple different colours at once, just on different bits of text
21:01:17SliMMobo: yes, but it's for the plugin api
21:01:38SliMMobo: and i thinck it could be done better
21:01:42SliMMthink*
21:02:08SliMMobo: it's not a patch, actually, just a bunch of functions
21:02:25BigBambieh?
21:02:40NielsEand am I able to screw up my ipod? a few days trolling some forums to find a fix wont bother me, as long as it is fixable
21:02:47BigBambino
21:02:58NielsEgood :)
21:03:01BigBambiIpods are nigh-on unbrickable
21:03:48BigBambito quote GodEater, "for the record, the rockbox recommended way to brick your ipod is this: Use a hammer. A lot. Vigourously, and with gusto."
21:03:50SliMMNielsE: if you screw your ipod badly, just restart it (menu + middle), enter diskmode (play+middle) and update/restore the firmware
21:04:32BigBambiNielsE: If you can read, and you follow the instructions, short of a hardware failure nothing will go wrong
21:04:44NielsEok, I will ^^
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21:05:29PaulJam_JdGordon|w: if you are using the random folder functionality, could you have a look at FS #7077 ?
21:05:47SliMMNielsE: you should know that the battery life is fairly poor
21:06:19NielsEhmm, thats bad, how poor?
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21:06:36BigBambifor iPod only, ususally about 65% of apple
21:06:53NielsEhmm k
21:06:56BigBambiFor all non-portalplayer players, rockbox has better battery life
21:07:08BigBambiBut that should improve quite a bit soon I think
21:07:23BigBambiSome of Buschels work looks quite promising
21:07:25SliMMBigBambi: actually, for ipod 1-3 G it's better than OF
21:07:39BigBambiSliMM: Yes, that's true, I had forgotten
21:07:40LambdaCalculus37Yes, that's correct.
21:08:20NielsEwhats OF?
21:08:27LambdaCalculus37Original Firmware.
21:08:37*SliMM thinks he should write some good-looking demo plugin after cleaning up the transparency functions
21:08:40LambdaCalculus37The firmware that's on your iPod when it comes from Apple.
21:09:03NielsEI've got a nano 1st gen, so I can expect reasenable batterytime?
21:09:22LambdaCalculus37NielsE: About 8-9 hours, give or take.
21:09:23BigBambiLook at the BatteryRuntime (or similar name) wiki page
21:09:36BigBambiNielsE: Depends also on usuage and battery condition
21:09:49asnjust wanted to remind you: <3 you all
21:10:03BigBambiRockbox has many options that the OF does not such as full parametric equalizer, that if you enable will use a bit more battery
21:10:05NielsEyeah I understand, the batterytime on OF is not what it used to be
21:10:43NielsEdan, if I just could find my cable >.>
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21:12:39SliMMNielsE: if it's not what it used to be, it means that the battery is old
21:12:50SliMMit won't perform better under rockbox
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21:14:07SliMMnielsE: i have a good equalizer preset for the ipod
21:14:39BigBambiThat depends on headphones
21:14:49saratogano one has run the battery benchmark with the new power improvement patch
21:14:52saratogaon the Nano
21:14:59saratogawould be interesting to see
21:15:44Galoiswhere's the patch?
21:16:31SliMMwhat patch?
21:16:50SliMMBigBambi: yeah, for the original headphones
21:16:58Galoisthe "power improvement patch"
21:17:20saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379
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21:17:41Galoisthanks
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21:21:09NielsEall that apple needs now is a find cable device haha
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21:24:41preglowsaratoga: yeah, perhaps i should just try the patch at all :)
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21:31:09*linuxstb should also try it on the ipod color...
21:31:46linuxstb21 hours for FLAC on the E200 is nice :) What do Sandisk advertise as the runtime?
21:32:24saratogalinuxstb: 20 hours i believe
21:32:36linuxstbYes, I just read that on their website - assuming it's for the V1...
21:32:41linuxstb(128kbps MP3)
21:33:19linuxstbHas anyone done a proper comparison - i.e. same files in both firmwares?
21:33:36saratogai think for flac you could get an hour or two longer if you used the low voltage setting when unboosted
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21:34:38preglowhmm
21:34:43preglowwhat would the most useful benchmark be?
21:34:48preglowi can only be bothered to do one
21:35:10linuxstbYou really need to do 2 - to take into account your battery.
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21:35:39preglowroit
21:35:56saratogai took current measurements for the sansa firmware running LAME -V2 files
21:35:59preglowtwo identical, or what?
21:36:33advlaptop2019linuxstb, do you know what is the mp3 battery life on the e200 with that patch
21:36:55saratogapreglow: I just watched it with a reasonably fast DMM, and recorded the boost and unboost numbers
21:37:11saratogasurprisingly, they seem to ping back and forth between a high clock and low clock speed like rockbox
21:37:17preglowhnmm
21:37:20preglowweird
21:37:23linuxstbpreglow: Maybe even 3... I think we want to know a) How much the patch improves runtime compared to SVN; b) How the patch (assuming it's better than SVN) compares to the Apple firmware.
21:37:27preglowi would've thought they'd go for the apple approach
21:37:34saratogaoh sorry, yes i used the same file
21:37:48saratogathough maybe not the exact same part of it, so it may not be entirely accurate
21:38:18linuxstbadvlaptop2019: No idea
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21:43:10saratogai thought about hooking up an ADC and just recording a couple minutes of current draw, but it seemed a little excessive until we've got the patch fully sorted out
21:43:26saratogasince i'd probably just have to repeat the recording after a few minutes anyway
21:43:33saratogafew days rather
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21:50:58preglowdeed
21:51:08*preglow does a lame V2 test
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21:54:42preglowbtw, has anything happened on the usb side of things?
21:55:17LambdaCalculus37Going home now... bye everyone!
21:55:36linuxstbpreglow: Last I heard, Zagor said he was too busy to work on it, but his time should be freeing up soon...
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21:58:06saratogasomeone submitted a patch that enables USB charging, but he disipeared
21:58:41asnSorry for jumping in the discussion without any reason, but what do you mean by 'USB charging'?
21:59:01saratogacharging via the USB port on the PP targets
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22:00:09asnsaratoga: PP targets?
22:00:43BigBambiportalplayer
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22:00:57asnGreat, thanks
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22:06:26PuppiesOnAcidHas anyone here installed Rockbox on a 2nd gen iPod?
22:06:56preglownot many, and 2nd gen ipod is kind of broken at the moment
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22:07:20PuppiesOnAcidwhat is broken about it?
22:07:23BigBambirandomly broken or not depending on the build
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22:07:31BigBambiSome work, others don't
22:07:34preglowrandomly broken depending on the build :)
22:07:35PuppiesOnAcidare testers needed?
22:07:52preglowPuppiesOnAcid: no, at this stage, testing doesn't help much, it's a complicated problem
22:08:00PuppiesOnAcidsucks :\
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22:09:04PuppiesOnAcidwhat exactly does the problem entail?
22:09:46BigBambias in what
22:09:57BigBambithe cause or the symptoms?
22:09:59PuppiesOnAcidwhat is preventing the new firmware from working on 2nd gen?
22:10:19BigBambiI rather suspect if that were known properly it would be nearer to being fixed
22:10:34pixelmaPuppiesOnAcid: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14228.msg106755#msg106755.
22:10:34PuppiesOnAcidlike
22:10:37PuppiesOnAciddoes the wheel not work?
22:10:38preglowit's a cache issue
22:10:41preglowbut we don't know why it happens
22:10:43PuppiesOnAcidthank you
22:10:46preglowPuppiesOnAcid: no, builds crash randomly
22:10:57BigBambiPuppiesOnAcid: It often doesn't boot, and crashes randomly
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22:11:33PuppiesOnAcid'man
22:11:39PuppiesOnAcidi may take a look at the source and see if i can come up with anything
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22:12:10BigBambigo for it
22:12:23PuppiesOnAcidare there any other good firmwares out there other than rockbox that I should look into?
22:12:30BigBambino
22:12:48PuppiesOnAcidprobably the wrong channel to ask in :)
22:12:50BigBambiI'm not sure if ipodlinux runs on the early gens
22:12:57BigBambiBut even if not
22:13:05PuppiesOnAcidipodlinux is a bit too nerdy for me
22:13:09PuppiesOnAcidI still want to be able to USE my ipod :)
22:13:18saratogathen you're out of luck
22:13:26BigBambiIt is just us and them
22:13:26linuxstbBigBambi: IPL runs on exactly the same ipods as Rockbox.
22:13:35BigBambilinuxstb: OK, cool
22:13:39PuppiesOnAcidyou, them, and Apple :)
22:13:53BigBambiA replacement firmware is not an easy thing to do :)
22:14:03PuppiesOnAcidi'm sure of that
22:14:09PuppiesOnAciddo most devs on rockbox use linux?
22:14:17BigBambiI would guess so
22:14:28BigBambiBut I don't think there has ever been a survey
22:14:33linuxstbI would say it's a pretty even split between Linux and Windows.
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22:14:43BigBambiBut it is perfectly possible to develop on Mac and Windows too
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22:16:00linuxstbYou can't really develop on Windows, unless you count Cygwin as Windows...
22:16:12BigBambiwell, I mean windows as a base
22:16:33BigBambiUsing cygwin (or VM etc.)
22:16:53BigBambiI just meant if you want to have afiddle you don't have to install linux
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22:18:51KeripoI'm looking at the ipodpatcher source code and it seems that an error level of "0" is returned both when an action is successful and when it fails. Is there any simple way of telling whether or not an action was successful other than searching through the output?
22:19:57PuppiesOnAciddoes rockbox support the clicking noise when you're going through your list
22:21:01preglowit should return 1 on failure
22:21:06preglowif it doesn't, that should be fixed
22:21:23preglowPuppiesOnAcid: through a patch, yes, but not officially
22:21:50linuxstbKeripo: Yes, that's a bit of a mess... A patch to make the return code more consistent would be welcome ;)
22:22:24linuxstbKeripo: Out of curiousity, why do you need it?
22:22:32Keripopreglow: Iooking at the section for adding the bootloader and the only difference between a success and a failure are different fprintf error messages
22:22:50Keripolinuxstb: ahh, understood, I could try making a patch later
22:23:36Keripoand the reason would be because I'm working on a package manager that uses ipodpatcher to install loader2 and I thought reading the error level would be easier than parsing the output
22:23:58linuxstbWhat language is your package manager written in?
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22:24:34Keripolinuxstb: java, which I don't really think would be able to easily do the patching itself
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22:25:57KeripoI suppose I'll try creating a patch for it later; I'm assuming all the fprintf's are in the main.c file and any return of "0" should be a success while a return of "1" should indicate a failure?
22:26:16Keripo*should I assume that ...
22:27:40Keripo(discussion moved to #ipodlinux)
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22:28:10linuxstbKeripo: I was about to say discussion of ipodpatcher itself is fine here - it's a Rockbox tool. I just had some more general questions I wanted to ask you in #ipodlinux...
22:30:05linuxstbThere are probably some fprintfs in ipodpatcher.c as well, but they're more likely just for information. I suppose it depends on how much detail you want it to return to your app.
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22:51:57BagderI get the feeling it is about time rbutil got its own section in the manual
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22:52:23Bagdernow with the voice stuff too, it offers so much...
22:52:32Domonoky:-)
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22:55:21PuppiesOnAcidWhere is system.h in the rockbox source?
22:55:23PuppiesOnAcidI cannot seem to find it
22:55:48Bagder$ find . -name system.h
22:55:48Bagder./firmware/export/system.h
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23:00:25JdGordon|wBagder: can assasinXCV on the tracker be banned?
23:00:52Bagderwhy?
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23:01:10JdGordon|wcoz hes a moron and has already been banned from irc and forums
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23:03:10Bagderok, I disabled the user now
23:03:22JdGordon|wcheers
23:03:34JdGordon|wdoes it tell him he's gone?
23:03:48BagderI don't know what it says
23:03:54JdGordon|whopefully nothing
23:03:59nanokJdGordon|w: it probably only tells him he will have to use another id :/
23:04:23Bagdervery probably, yes
23:04:48nanokwhat the hell is wrong these days? where do they pop up from? :(
23:04:52nanokoh well
23:05:12nanoki guess it would be boring as hell if everybody had a brain
23:05:24JdGordon|wI rekon jmac is him also... but have no proof...
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23:36:29dewdudei'm having some issues with a custom WPS. I wrote this thing last year..and i recently updated my 11 month old rockbox build only to find out the parser is more strict. so, i've got this unexpected conditional character after token 15 on a line and i'm not sure exactly where my problem is. here's the line in question:
23:36:29dewdude%al %?mp<stop|play|pause|ffwd|rew> | repeat: %?mm<off|all|one|shuffle|a-b>%ar%cm.d.Y - I.MPc
23:37:23dewdudeif someone could point me as to where my problem is so i can fix it, it'd be appreciated.
23:38:20pixelmaif you want to show a | in your WPS as a character you need to escape it with the % - should be %| then
23:38:35dewdudeahhh
23:38:46dewdudeis that it?
23:39:29pixelmaand the time format tags are differently now too
23:39:44dewdudeyeah, i need to update that..i'm just looking at it. i thought that was my issue.
23:39:57dewdudei wonder how much i have to rewrite.
23:40:09dewdudealrighty..thanks pixelma
23:40:27pixelmayou're welcome
23:40:37csc`i didnt think apple made decent 'PC Speakers', interesting
23:41:09dewdudethey don't, they oem them out. but that's offtopic.
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23:48:52webguest90hey everybody, i've got a question about rockbox
23:49:50webguest90is there the possibilty to play files out of an folder like in the original firmware for the iaudio x5l?
23:50:08Bagderout of an folder?
23:50:18Bagderyou mean browse to it and play it?
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23:50:49webguest90well in the original firmware, i can go to the folder structe an lean the stick to the left and he plays the title
23:51:44webguest90if i click on the stick an choose "play title" he makes a kind of playlist and plays this folder
23:52:07dewduderockbox's normal action when you select a file in a folder is to enque everything under that file.
23:52:24Bagdereverything in that dir actually
23:52:24dewdudeso if you wanna listen to track 2 of an album for example, it plays 2 and loads the rest of the album.
23:52:26webguest90in rockbox ialways have to make an playlist if i only want to hear one title
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23:52:45dewduderight.
23:52:51dewdudethat's how it's always behaved for me.
23:53:21Bagderwebguest90: then you want the add to playlist options or similar
23:53:26webguest90well, the prob is, my original firmware has a kind of bug an only rockbox is working ^^
23:53:58webguest90i just want to have the opinion to play all files in my music-folder
23:54:27Bagderrockbox can do that
23:54:33Bagderin several different ways even
23:54:36BigBambiwebguest90: long select on the song you want to get the context menu then select one of the insert options
23:54:52webguest90and browse the folder, cause i have sorted all media into diffrent folders
23:54:56webguest90hm
23:55:24webguest90well... listen ^^ i think we misunderstand ^^
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23:56:46webguest90i want to play all media in the folder MUSIC, where are diffrent folders like ArtistXY, but all this without creating an playlist, where i have to search my specific title
23:57:10BigBambiturn on recursivly insert directories
23:57:23BigBambithen long select on the music folder, and insert it
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23:57:34Bagderwebguest90: you want everything done exactly like the OF without adjusting one tiny bit to how rockbox works?
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23:58:29JacobDudehi
23:58:40webguest90no, i think rockbox is better than the OF, but this little thing...

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