| 00:00:30 | amiconn | Yeah, but usb thread != any app thread that could be accessing the disk... |
| 00:00:58 | jhMikeS | not reinitializing the mutex was one important thing. I'd say a collision is unlikely but I'll go with sound threading practice anytime. |
| 00:01:35 | jhMikeS | but USB thread + any app (like mpegplayer's disk thread) could race through both |
| 00:03:14 | amiconn | hmm... |
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| 00:08:16 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 00:09:19 | amiconn | Someone with a nano should dump the ata identify info, and check whether it says the disk supports the power management feature set or not |
| 00:10:19 | Alonea | any ideas on whats up with the text viewer? I looked through the logs and didn't see any updates pertaining to it, so I assume its still messed up a bit. will check for sure in a few minutes. |
| 00:10:21 | amiconn | If it does not, this is the reason why our ata driver without the nano hack confuses the flash disk, and it means we should check that feature bit and decide whether to send sleep commands dynamically |
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| 00:10:37 | hanna_ | hi |
| 00:11:02 | hanna_ | can rockbox be installed with mac computers? |
| 00:11:09 | amiconn | This would allow to remove the nano hack, and fix the problem for everyone who mods a target (e.g. mini) with some ata capable flash card |
| 00:12:14 | hanna_ | i'm having trouble. |
| 00:12:26 | hanna_ | the zip file doesn't open to anything |
| 00:13:12 | hanna_ | anyone? |
| 00:13:19 | Alonea | sorry. never used a mac before. |
| 00:13:28 | Bagder | hanna_: use a better zip program |
| 00:13:37 | hanna_ | like what? |
| 00:13:45 | Bagder | like something that shows the actual contents |
| 00:13:55 | Nico_P | amiconn: would you agree to try out the bmptar patch to see if there is improvement? |
| 00:14:01 | hanna_ | any suggestions? |
| 00:14:13 | * | amiconn doesn't like bmp-in-tar idea |
| 00:14:13 | Bagder | I don't use mac, I have absolutely no idea |
| 00:14:19 | hanna_ | is there winrar for mac? |
| 00:14:47 | Bagder | hanna_: you could try ask that google thing, it knows a few things |
| 00:14:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's probably not a panacea, but I'd still like to know whether it improves loading time |
| 00:15:06 | hanna_ | ok |
| 00:15:11 | hanna_ | thanks |
| 00:15:47 | Nico_P | the gigabeat isn't exaclty the best benchmarking target |
| 00:18:21 | Nico_P | plus, I think I broke mine... at least it's cracked open and doesn't turn on |
| 00:18:54 | amiconn | hmm...... |
| 00:19:39 | Alonea | Nico_P: ouch. I had a close one last week. kept getting system error 00000003 |
| 00:20:28 | Nico_P | hah, I just got system error 00..0001 |
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| 00:22:04 | Alonea | Nico_P: ouch. not sure what the error codes are. however, if its a hard drive issue with corrupted sectors or whatever you want to call them, you might try zeroing the drive. but then if it doesn't turn on well...don't know what to tell you |
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| 00:23:08 | Nico_P | the OF bootloader's progress bar stays stuck |
| 00:23:31 | Nico_P | I don't know whether the HD could be damaged, the unit was off when I fell |
| 00:23:48 | Nico_P | (I basically fell on it while iceskating) |
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| 00:25:27 | Alonea | ah. I have no idea. you could try hooking it up to your compy and reformatting it, but if its internal damage, might not be fixable. at least I don't have a good enough idea of the inner workings |
| 00:26:07 | Nico_P | amiconn: so, do you agree to try or should I ask someone else? |
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| 00:26:36 | Nico_P | I'm just asking you because you already did a few measures, it doesn't *have* to be you |
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| 00:26:53 | * | amiconn can't find a patch on flyspray |
| 00:27:16 | Alonea | Nico_P: you could try this if your computer is unable to connect to usb. http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=BC5B8B48-3048-2906-EA65BE069DC676DE |
| 00:27:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's FS #6571 |
| 00:28:02 | amiconn | There's also the question how to prepare a wps for the test |
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| 00:28:25 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6571?getfile=15735 |
| 00:28:53 | amiconn | ...and whether the patch will work on my tree |
| 00:29:17 | Nico_P | cd .rockbox/wps/iCatcher; tar cvf ../iCatcher.tar * |
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| 00:31:48 | Nico_P | the patch only touches apps/gui/wps_parser.c and apps/recorder/bmp.c |
| 00:33:28 | kushal_12_27_200 | I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Any suggestions? Please he |
| 00:33:29 | kushal_12_27_200 | lp. |
| 00:36:21 | Nico_P | Alonea: the HD seems damaged |
| 00:37:32 | Alonea | Nico_P: permanent kind or fixable kind? ^__^ |
| 00:37:46 | Nico_P | more the permanent kind :/ |
| 00:38:07 | Nico_P | I opened the player and listened to the HD trying to boot... not a pretty noise |
| 00:38:22 | amiconn | ouch |
| 00:38:37 | Nico_P | the back case also has a nice dent |
| 00:38:45 | Alonea | Nico_P: I have killed a few hard drives in my time. I bet. bad noises are no good. I fried 2 hard drives. well. I blame windows actually.. |
| 00:39:15 | Alonea | Nico_P: yuck. well, at least you learn to not ice skate with an mp3 player. |
| 00:39:22 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 00:39:50 | * | Nico_P has two solutions... make the S port work *quick* or start looking for a new rockboxable target |
| 00:40:13 | amiconn | Or replace the hdd... |
| 00:40:58 | Nico_P | how much is a typical 2 platter HD (more than 40 GB) these days? |
| 00:41:05 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: what's holding up the S port? I thought interrupts were solved already. |
| 00:41:28 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: well ptw reported he had them working, but didn't commit anything |
| 00:41:49 | XavierGr | he should, any news from him? |
| 00:42:09 | Nico_P | I mailed him about it a few days ago, but haven't gotten an answer yet |
| 00:42:26 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna poke at that soon myself and get familiarize myself |
| 00:42:42 | Nico_P | (when I said "more then 40 GB", I actually meant ">= 40 GB") |
| 00:42:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: there is example code sent by freescale if you want |
| 00:43:15 | XavierGr | I want to poke at the S too, but I always tend to call it off.... |
| 00:43:36 | XavierGr | Nico_P: and where can we find that code? |
| 00:43:44 | jhMikeS | I don't have the code. Link me up? |
| 00:44:34 | Alonea | Nico_P: the 1.8 hdds? eh...not the cheapest things around...for a 40 eve, I would have to look it up |
| 00:44:35 | Nico_P | I'm not sure I can put it on the wiki page... ptw419 received it in a mail and forwarded it to me... maybe PM me your email addresses and I'll forward it to you |
| 00:45:47 | kushal_12_27_200 | I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Any suggestions? Please he |
| 00:45:48 | kushal_12_27_200 | lp. |
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| 00:48:33 | Alonea | Nico_P: well, I see a 40g hdd anywhere from 50 to about 120 bucks. |
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| 00:49:38 | Nico_P | hmm maybe buying a player is more worth it |
| 00:50:10 | amiconn | Nico_P: bmp in tar definitely does help... |
| 00:50:39 | amiconn | So it's in fact the number of files to load that counts (unless you do loads of additional seeks, which would also be bad) |
| 00:51:00 | amiconn | iCatcher loads in ~0.2 sec on my 2nd Gen from tar |
| 00:51:15 | Nico_P | amiconn: good to hear! the reading of the tar is sequential, so no unnecessary seeks |
| 00:51:22 | Nico_P | thanks for testing :) |
| 00:51:22 | amiconn | (and it still has to load the backdrop separately, as documented in the patch) |
| 00:51:46 | Nico_P | wow 0.2s is quite a big improvement, isn't it? |
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| 00:52:34 | amiconn | But I would still prefer the bmp strip method, as that doesn't require an exotic tool for theme creators (on windows, tar is an exotic thing...) |
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| 00:53:14 | Slasheri | i think the improvement should be even more than that. Opening a file has always been a very expensive operation |
| 00:53:21 | jhMikeS | If you have WinRAR, nothings exotic in Windows |
| 00:53:24 | amiconn | And the bmp strip method is in fact already used in a different place in rockbox - the icon loader |
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| 00:53:36 | amiconn | winrar isn't free, even not as in free beer |
| 00:53:37 | Nico_P | I do like the strip method too, but having the wps rather self contained is nice too, independantly from speed improvements |
| 00:53:55 | jhMikeS | well, doesn't stop me from just using it regarless of the nag :p |
| 00:53:59 | amiconn | It's nasty shareware I won't install |
| 00:54:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: WinRAR doesn't handle tar creation according to wikipedia |
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| 00:54:12 | * | amiconn uses 7-zip |
| 00:54:17 | Slasheri | even iriver boots faster when it loads dircache state from disk before loading the wps images |
| 00:55:00 | XavierGr | I think that a tarred wps is indeed a tidy solution |
| 00:55:43 | XavierGr | very good when sharing multiple WPSes |
| 00:55:45 | jhMikeS | my point is really that I think most all archive formats are covered with some piece of Windows software |
| 00:56:10 | * | Nico_P likes 7zip too |
| 00:56:24 | BigBambi | 7zip does tar on windows I think |
| 00:56:38 | Nico_P | yeah it does... |
| 00:56:40 | jhMikeS | tar isn't compression though, correct? |
| 00:56:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yeah. In fact 7-zip does support tar file creation. But 'some' windows software isn't what joe user typically has installed and knows how to use |
| 00:57:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: no, tar is just file concatenating |
| 00:57:10 | Nico_P | very easy to read |
| 00:57:28 | Alonea | amiconn: my dad pretty refuses to use anything but zip. |
| 00:57:36 | BigBambi | Nico_P: is the tar an all or nothing replacement, or does it live alongside separate bmps? |
| 00:57:39 | amiconn | Does the patch retain the ability to load single bmp files? |
| 00:58:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes (it even creates duplication I don't really like) |
| 00:58:19 | amiconn | Otherwise it would be bad for wps development |
| 00:58:22 | BigBambi | In that case, why not go for it |
| 00:58:49 | BigBambi | If people are savy enough to get 7zip they make 'quicker' wps's, if not it still works |
| 00:58:56 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: tar as a virtual file system would neaten it up. |
| 00:58:59 | BigBambi | And all the shipped ones could easily be tarred |
| 00:59:15 | rasher | BigBambi: it'd also be very annoying to have to tar up your wps each time you made a change |
| 00:59:25 | amiconn | The tar support still means additional code |
| 00:59:27 | Nico_P | I'd like to add support for having the backdrop in the tar file too if possible, before I commit |
| 00:59:52 | BigBambi | rasher: well, if you are already copying it is only one additional step |
| 00:59:57 | BigBambi | But I take the point |
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| 01:00:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: from my understanding the tar solution only need one file open, while the bmp strip method might not get away with all of them |
| 01:00:51 | * | amiconn would edit a wps on the target disk while developing it |
| 01:00:51 | Alonea | Nico_P: so are you guys thinking of making the wps into tarballs? instead of zip? or have the player read the tar? |
| 01:00:51 | amiconn | Hence, no copying of unchanged parts |
| 01:00:51 | BigBambi | But, if it is optional |
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| 01:01:17 | XavierGr | maybe go for both then :P |
| 01:01:46 | BigBambi | Alonea: Having all the images in a tar, that is read by the player |
| 01:02:15 | Nico_P | it would be nice to have the whole wps as a single tar though... currently there is the .wps, the backdrop and the tar |
| 01:02:27 | BigBambi | Alonea: And a tar is essentially just sticking the files together, so is much easier to do anything with than zip. The advantage is you only have to open one file |
| 01:02:35 | Alonea | BigBambi: ah, ok. so no need for the user to unarchive it? cause that would throw a lot of people for a loop |
| 01:02:51 | BigBambi | Alonea: no |
| 01:02:56 | amiconn | My cons against tar are (1) additional code, (2) extra step for packaging wps with an unfamiliar tool (at least for windows users) |
| 01:03:07 | Alonea | BigBambi: good. tar is your friend anyways. |
| 01:03:09 | amiconn | The bmp strip code is already partially there |
| 01:03:55 | XavierGr | amiconn: I am sure that (2) can't be solve with guidelines in the wiki. IMHO a user will need help from the wiki to build a wps, so why not instruct them how to use tar? |
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| 01:04:09 | BigBambi | I don't think simple instructions along the lines of download 7zip, then add to tar are too complicated next to writing the wps syntax |
| 01:04:10 | XavierGr | can't be solve = can be solved |
| 01:04:36 | amiconn | It's not an easy decision, as there are some more bmp related problems/shortcomings which cropped up lately |
| 01:05:02 | BigBambi | which ones? |
| 01:05:23 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'm just thinking a tiny layer that has awareness of the source being a directory tree or tarball, and some read, open, close, seek functions act the same no matter the source. Why can't a rockbox tool be provided to make tar files? |
| 01:05:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't see why we couldn't go with both. they're not incompatible |
| 01:05:34 | rasher | amiconn: regarding (2), these are theme authors. Don't we expect them to have a slight clue? I'd agree with you if 7zip was required for installing rockbox. |
| 01:05:46 | mhydronic | does updating my ipod firmware affect rockbox at all? |
| 01:05:49 | amiconn | Using a single bitmap several times; how to handle bitmaps in conjuction with viewports etc |
| 01:06:18 | amiconn | Nico_P: binsize. |
| 01:06:34 | BigBambi | mhydronic: You will need to reinstall the bootloader |
| 01:07:16 | XavierGr | Nico_P: is the tar patch so big in the bin size aspect? |
| 01:08:05 | * | amiconn will check |
| 01:08:09 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yeah, the layer thing is a nice idea (the tool too). The main problem I actually have with loading the backdrop from a tar is the need to adapt the existing code |
| 01:08:42 | Nico_P | XavierGr: I don't know... I'll let amiconn give the figure :) |
| 01:08:52 | mhydronic | bigbambi: thanks |
| 01:08:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: +648 bytes on 2nd Gen |
| 01:09:34 | * | amiconn checks recorder.. will take a few mins |
| 01:09:36 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: What I had in mind would just be a matter of direct file api replacement I think. |
| 01:10:11 | Alonea | oh! I wanted to ask why is it when you set a bmp as a backdrop when the next time you start your player your backdrop is back to default? (i think the wps theme sets it??) |
| 01:10:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That virtual file system actually sounds like a bad idea |
| 01:10:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: something like "/dir/tarfile.tar:subfile" ? |
| 01:10:49 | amiconn | It would reintroduce the load delays through the backdoor |
| 01:10:56 | Nico_P | it would discourage reading the tar files in order too |
| 01:11:13 | amiconn | ...because it would replace the many on-disk seeks with many in-tarfile seeks |
| 01:11:33 | amiconn | The whole point is to avoid excessive seeking |
| 01:11:55 | jhMikeS | depends on the construction I think |
| 01:12:05 | amiconn | It does not |
| 01:12:46 | Alonea | my dad was complaining about it to me and I was wondering how to fix it. I assume the only way at this point would be to change it in the wps, but why have an option to set a bmp as a backdrop if your system isn't going to remember? |
| 01:12:47 | jhMikeS | can't see where any delay or excessive seeking would be introduced |
| 01:12:48 | amiconn | As soon as you abstract the 2 layers, the upper layer no longer knows about the order of files within the tar |
| 01:13:08 | amiconn | And tar files are meant to be read sequentially |
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| 01:13:49 | Nico_P | Alonea: the backdrop needs to be in .rockbox/backdrops |
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| 01:14:20 | Alonea | Nico_P: ok. so put the bmp in there and it will stay as the backdrop? |
| 01:14:30 | Nico_P | yes |
| 01:14:48 | jhMikeS | we know the tar is "in order" and I don't believe anything is aware of the order of files on the harddrive either |
| 01:14:52 | Alonea | Nico_P: ok, thanks. should make dad happy at least. |
| 01:15:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No, but the wps code doesn't know about the order of files in the tar |
| 01:16:04 | amiconn | If it would just use it like a file system, that is |
| 01:16:22 | jhMikeS | nor on disk though |
| 01:16:37 | amiconn | No, but then you save nothing |
| 01:16:56 | amiconn | The current bmptar patch always loads sequentially |
| 01:17:11 | amiconn | That's where the savings come from |
| 01:17:24 | amiconn | Nico_P: Current patch doesn't compile for mono bitmap targets |
| 01:17:47 | Nico_P | ah, I'll fix that |
| 01:18:25 | amiconn | undefined reference to `_load_backdrop_bitmap' |
| 01:18:45 | amiconn | Mono doesn't support backdrops |
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| 01:20:20 | Alonea | Nico_P: looks like I spoke too soon. Getting system error again. guess its time to look at players again... |
| 01:20:51 | jhMikeS | exactly what savings are being sought? a file enumeration function would return the files in order anyway. |
| 01:21:02 | amiconn | wps load speed |
| 01:21:42 | amiconn | The bmptar patch reduces e.g. iCatcher load time from ~3 secs to ~0.2 secs on my 2nd Gen |
| 01:22:06 | Alonea | how are those gigabeat X's? |
| 01:22:25 | Nico_P | Alonea: quite nice, but hard to find |
| 01:22:44 | Alonea | Nico_P: hmm. |
| 01:23:07 | amiconn | I measured boot time difference (with start mode set to resume, from apple logo appearing to music playing) between the builtin rockbox_default and iCatcher |
| 01:23:41 | amiconn | I also measured several other svn wps'es yesterday |
| 01:26:56 | Alonea | have any recommended players that are rockbox compatible? should I just go ahead and get another gigabeat F? |
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| 01:29:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmm, that's pretty steep |
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| 01:30:18 | amiconn | Yes, it actually makes graphical wps'es usable for me |
| 01:32:13 | amiconn | All bmp-rich wps'es take around 3 secs here (Rockboxed, DancePuffDuo, iCatcher, unicatcher). The only bmp wps'es which load faster are marquee (2 bmps, 0.5 s) and zezayer (1 bmp, 0.2 s) |
| 01:34:58 | jhMikeS | I have my doubts a layer would slow down to that of separate files. Perhaps I'll just whip one up and compare if I have nothing else to do. |
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| 01:37:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: depends on how it's done. |
| 01:37:23 | Nico_P | what do you have in mind? |
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| 01:39:36 | jhMikeS | I'm not completely sure yet. Are tar files <filename1><filedata1><filename2><filedata2>...etc? |
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| 01:39:49 | * | jhMikeS just goes googling |
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| 01:41:20 | Nico_P | yeah, that's pretty much it |
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| 01:43:41 | jhMikeS | then in-order enum and read could be preserved as well as allowing random access if needed. that layout is better than all metadata being in one bulk header at the start. |
| 01:45:55 | bignose | jhMikeS: <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format)> |
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| 01:54:01 | Alonea | actually where is a place to get any toshiba player? I can't find any but the U series |
| 02:00 |
| 02:02:06 | Nico_P | Alonea: ebay |
| 02:02:49 | Alonea | Nico_P: ah. no longer sold anywhere then? I guess I could try ebay... |
| 02:03:02 | Nico_P | no, you can't find new ones anymore |
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| 02:03:12 | Nico_P | at least not in regular retailers |
| 02:03:22 | Alonea | Nico_P: and I refuse to get an ipod on principle |
| 02:07:43 | bignose | Alonea: what principle is that? |
| 02:07:54 | bignose | Alonea: (I can think of several, that's why I ask for clarification) |
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| 02:09:28 | Alonea | bignose: mostly the principle that I must buy said player to fit in, be cool, it is the "only" player, its made by apple, overpriced, and I feel the urge to rip out people's white earphones at work. |
| 02:10:14 | soap | I was unaware there was another 1.8" HD based player which was cheaper per GB. |
| 02:10:38 | bignose | Alonea: ah. mine was a hand-me-down from a mac fetishist :-) |
| 02:11:45 | Alonea | bignose: ah. I mean, I do like the looks of some of the mac computers, but I don't think its worth the money and I have no use for a mac OS |
| 02:11:58 | soap | Back to Rockbox... |
| 02:11:59 | bignose | Alonea: same. I immediately put free software on them. |
| 02:12:22 | soap | There is no player you can buy new which supports Rockbox at the moment, unless you can find Sansa E200 v1s |
| 02:13:11 | bignose | and never buy them. there are enough people in my circle churning through Apple hardware that I can get two-generations-late hardware essentially free. |
| 02:13:13 | Alonea | anyway, attempting to get a new gigabeat. I really like them and so far there isn't a "new" mp3 player I like. my cell phone pretty much does all the other stuff people want on their mp3 players. |
| 02:13:29 | soap | bignose, let's keep the topic on Rockbox. |
| 02:13:48 | bignose | soap: okay. |
| 02:14:37 | bignose | I'm having trouble getting firmware onto my iPod Mini. I'm following <URL:http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes> but having no joy. |
| 02:14:57 | bignose | a session here on IRC gave me more options, but didn't get me much closer. |
| 02:15:19 | bignose | should I spend time on rockbox support avenues, or ipodlinux ones? |
| 02:15:25 | soap | You need to talk to the ipodlinux folks about their procedure (assuming it is different than ours) |
| 02:15:31 | BigBambi | You will only get rockbox support here |
| 02:15:57 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 02:16:20 | bignose | soap: "different"? I wasn't aware there was a Rockbox-specific method for getting Apple formware onto an iPod. |
| 02:16:24 | bignose | soap: okay, thanks. |
| 02:17:03 | bignose | yes, I was following that one. |
| 02:17:20 | bignose | my main problem is confusing differences between 'fdisk' and 'pmac-fdisk' |
| 02:17:45 | bignose | <URL:http://pastebin.ca/859734> |
| 02:17:53 | bignose | so I don't know which tool to use. |
| 02:18:33 | bignose | well, that's a *symptom*. the main *problem* is I've never had any firmware that I put onto the machine actually boot. |
| 02:19:04 | bignose | ipodpatcher recognised it once, when it had original Apple firmware; after that, it just says "No ipods found" |
| 02:19:12 | soap | the <URL: > crap around the links make XChat unwilling to follow links. |
| 02:19:34 | bignose | well, that's an unfortunate bug in XChat. |
| 02:19:48 | bignose | that's a standard way of delimiting URLs from surrounding text. |
| 02:19:55 | rasher | Is there any reason for it? It's not like we can't tell they're urls |
| 02:20:08 | soap | I'd like to see that standard |
| 02:20:31 | BigBambi | bignose: Given it is unnecessary and upsets xchat, could you just leave them off? |
| 02:21:05 | karashata | last I checked, most IRC clients will automatically determine URLs from surrounding text, and allow them to be clicked and loaded by the browser |
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| 02:21:13 | BigBambi | exactly |
| 02:21:14 | karashata | at least, most good IRC clients |
| 02:21:17 | bignose | soap: or shall we keep the discussion on Rockbox? :-) |
| 02:21:31 | soap | <URL:http://pastebin.ca/859734> |
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| 02:22:15 | bignose | soap: that's the one. |
| 02:22:42 | soap | So you've never had the Apple firmware boot for you? |
| 02:24:06 | bignose | karashata: indeed, and most good IRC clients recognise the standard <URL:foo> notation. |
| 02:24:16 | bignose | soap: it booted, until I tried replacing it. |
| 02:24:37 | soap | ok - so has it booted since then. Have you ever successfully restored it? |
| 02:24:58 | soap | The is no point trying to install Rockbox or IpodLinux again until you get Apple firmware booting properly. |
| 02:24:59 | bignose | soap: only by giving it to someone who has iTunes. none of the "restore without iTunes" methods have worked for me. |
| 02:25:34 | bignose | I don't have ready access to any machine with iTunes, so I'm stuck until I can get this original firmware booting again. |
| 02:25:55 | soap | No offense, but it would be a hardware failure of the most particular kind to lead to such an issue - the only other likely alternative is operator error. |
| 02:26:40 | bignose | soap: yes, I'm quite willing to believe it's operator error. |
| 02:27:02 | bignose | all that remains is finding what that error is. AFAICT, I've been following instructions properly. |
| 02:27:33 | soap | You are sure of the generation of the Mini? |
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| 02:27:49 | soap | That is something you could easily mistake while iTunes could not. |
| 02:28:06 | bignose | soap: marked with "6 GB" on the back. I'm led to believe that means it's a 2nd Gen. |
| 02:28:25 | soap | Did you buy this new? |
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| 02:28:49 | soap | Does iTunes identify it as a 6GB second gen? There used to be a lot of frankenminis on eBay. |
| 02:29:54 | soap | I'm honestly not sure how much of an issue that is - I assume it is a large one - but without watching you follow the instructions there is little else I can offer you outside saying "I have yet to see the process not work." |
| 02:30:05 | bignose | for those interested (and not to continue discussion of this), the relevant RFC for URLs in context is RFC 1738; specifically, the appendix "Recommendations for URLs in Context". |
| 02:30:22 | BigBambi | bignose: Regardless,c ould you just not please? |
| 02:30:29 | bignose | soap: I've never seen it on iTunes, I don't know what it shows. |
| 02:31:12 | bignose | BigBambi: no. |
| 02:31:20 | BigBambi | and why not? |
| 02:31:25 | BigBambi | as a matter of courtesy |
| 02:31:45 | bignose | okay. this is rather off-topic, is everyone okay with continuing this discussion? |
| 02:32:11 | BigBambi | forget it. If you insist on being difficult |
| 02:32:42 | bignose | BigBambi: in short: for the same reason I generate standard HTML pages, instead of making concessions to buggy clients. |
| 02:33:27 | BigBambi | That RFC you link to is not relevant here anyway |
| 02:33:37 | BigBambi | But forget it |
| 02:34:05 | bignose | soap: so, if I were to generate a session log of me following the instructions, where would be a proper place to ask for help with that? |
| 02:34:21 | soap | here - paste it to pastebin |
| 02:34:27 | bignose | soap: okay, thanks |
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| 02:34:47 | soap | more likely to get help if the Europeans are all awake. |
| 02:34:59 | bignose | ah, the Europeans :-) |
| 02:35:09 | * | bignose loves 'em |
| 02:35:40 | rasher | If I generate a file max_language_size.h in $(BUILDDIR)/ at buildtime, how can I include that from within apps/language.h? |
| 02:36:04 | soap | Well, considering most here are from Europe or the Americas, there is no reason to ask stumpers when one of the two continents is in the dark, Let it be dark over Asia and light over Europe/Americas if you want to play the odds. |
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| 02:39:04 | bignose | soap: answer to an earlier question I missed: no, it's a freebie given to me by someoen who upgraded. |
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| 02:43:51 | Auken | Can rockbox be used to play video on an ipod Photo 20GB? |
| 02:44:40 | BigBambi | Auken: yes |
| 02:45:00 | Auken | Awesome |
| 02:45:05 | BigBambi | Auken: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 02:45:38 | Auken | I got ZeroSlakr installed with the ipl loader but for some reason, it won't let me use the clickwheel outside of AppleOS |
| 02:45:52 | BigBambi | That is all unsupported here |
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| 02:46:53 | Auken | Oh, is there an IRC for that one then? ~Currently looking at Rockbox installation~ |
| 02:47:10 | BigBambi | I don't know |
| 02:47:35 | BigBambi | To get support with rockbox you need to use the rockbox bootloader with an up to date rockbox build |
| 02:47:50 | Auken | Is there an installer? |
| 02:47:56 | BigBambi | Yes, check the manual |
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| 02:51:42 | kushal_12_27_200 | I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Please help. |
| 02:52:40 | Auken | Rockbox Utility keeps giving me HTTP errors... |
| 02:53:15 | BigBambi | What operating system? |
| 02:55:10 | | Quit waldo (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:56:26 | Auken | Me? WinXP |
| 02:56:40 | BigBambi | and do you have administrator rights? |
| 02:57:01 | Alonea | oh wow...it revived itself...still getting a new one though |
| 02:57:15 | Auken | Yeah. |
| 02:57:21 | BigBambi | hmmm |
| 02:57:36 | Auken | It's my handbuilt PC, I sure HOPE I have rights :-p |
| 02:57:38 | BigBambi | Perhaps just try the manual way, it is pretty straightforward |
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| 02:59:09 | Auken | ...hrm, first I should use itunes to reformat, start with a clean slate. |
| 02:59:29 | BigBambi | probably a good idea |
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| 03:00:42 | Auken | Nice, Rockbox does 16:9 videos at 25FPS? That's brilliant for PAL format stuff, I can enjoy Doctor Who |
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| 03:03:17 | Auken | Mostly I'm just wanting to save Youtube stuff...Ree Vs. Blue, Yugioh the Abridged Series, that sort of thing |
| 03:09:21 | Auken | There we go |
| 03:09:35 | Auken | Apparently, older versions of rockbox utility don't like me |
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| 03:14:41 | Auken | Okay...Now I've got Rockbox installed and... controls don't work |
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| 03:15:09 | scorche | define "doesnt work" |
| 03:15:37 | Auken | That's just it, no clickwheel input |
| 03:15:40 | Auken | nothing |
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| 03:16:07 | scorche | is the hold switch on? |
| 03:16:31 | Auken | No |
| 03:17:19 | scorche | what screen are you looking at? |
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| 03:17:35 | Auken | the main menu screen |
| 03:18:10 | scorche | hold menu + select |
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| 03:19:05 | Auken | yeah, it reset, still nothing. |
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| 03:20:09 | Auken | For some reaons I had this same exact problem with another program caleld ipl loader. It's like the ONLY thing that'll use the clickwheel is Apple OS |
| 03:20:27 | scorche | and the apple OS works fine? |
| 03:20:39 | Auken | Yeah |
| 03:21:02 | scorche | that is extremely odd.. |
| 03:23:19 | Auken | okay I just used Rockbox Utility to uninstall rockbox |
| 03:23:23 | Auken | If I reset my ipod |
| 03:23:29 | Auken | It should go to Apple OS? |
| 03:24:39 | * | Auken uses the itunes Restore utility anyways just in case |
| 03:27:05 | Auken | Okay I'm back into factory AppleOS |
| 03:27:51 | Auken | So, what would cause my clickwheel troubles, any idea? |
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| 03:31:13 | Auken | 4G ipod Photo 20GB by the way |
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| 03:44:46 | magenpie | sansa c250, debian os: loaded 18 mp3s, settings>database,update now...after 15 min tracks don't show |
| 03:46:30 | PaulPosition | magenpie - Once the database has finished updating/initializing, you need to restart the device.. |
| 03:47:16 | * | PaulPosition doesn't really understand why it is so, btw, hence no use asking.. :p |
| 03:49:35 | magenpie | ah...ok...let me try |
| 03:50:19 | magenpie | very nice, thank you |
| 03:50:33 | rasher | memory for the database is allocated at boot time |
| 03:50:57 | magenpie | i see |
| 03:51:02 | PaulPosition | Ah, so that none is allocated if one uses the file browser and doesn't initialize db... makes sense. |
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| 04:46:05 | webguest95 | testing |
| 04:46:14 | webguest95 | anyone here at rockbox IRC? |
| 04:46:34 | Alonea | yes |
| 04:46:40 | webguest95 | wow |
| 04:46:53 | webguest95 | finally I've gotten onto IRC and found real live people |
| 04:46:53 | Alonea | have a question dear? |
| 04:47:08 | webguest95 | not particularly, just learning the ropes |
| 04:47:22 | webguest95 | waiting for a full featured sansa port with full USB support I guess |
| 04:47:33 | webguest95 | maybe find a mentor to learn how to code |
| 04:47:53 | Alonea | ah ok. sansa? did you end up with a V2 instead of v1? |
| 04:48:11 | Auken | Hrm |
| 04:48:27 | Auken | It doesn't make any sense, and I can't find anyone else anywhere who has my problem... |
| 04:48:53 | webguest95 | no don't have a sansa yet, but once there's full USB support I'm going to go get one. |
| 04:49:01 | webguest95 | or maybe rockbox on a 2nd gen Zune |
| 04:49:23 | psycho_maniac | wont see that one for awhile, zune. |
| 04:49:25 | webguest95 | I don't think that port has begun yet |
| 04:49:40 | Alonea | what do you mean by full usb? I mean, it charges with usb, and you can transfer files. you can also listen and charge. what else would you need? |
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| 04:50:17 | webguest95 | isn't there some other player that would be hardware equivalent to a zune? most players come from a handful of ODM & reference designs anway I suspect |
| 04:50:49 | Auken | I love that I can use my ipod to transfer large files |
| 04:51:25 | scorche | webguest95: define "hardware equivalernt" |
| 04:51:48 | scorche | there are many metrics one can use.. |
| 04:52:53 | soap | I think he means identical, not fraternal, twin. |
| 04:52:58 | soap | Such as the gigabeat S. |
| 04:53:15 | Auken | Are there any online communities for ipod Hacking? |
| 04:55:38 | webguest95 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port |
| 04:55:59 | webguest95 | When you look down at the checklist it seems to imply that USB port does not work with Rockbox on Sansa yet |
| 04:56:54 | Auken | ;-; |
| 04:57:41 | webguest95 | is there the option to treat the memory/hard drive in the sansa like an external storage device with the rockbox firmware? |
| 04:58:40 | Alonea | webguest95: dunno about that, but I got my dad a sansa e280 for christmas and its all good. I mean, the usb doesn't work directly in rockbox for transfer like it does for the gigabeat (I assume others as well). Essentially it loads the OF to transfer files. You can have the usb in while in RB, but you will only be able to charge. |
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| 04:59:19 | psycho_maniac | yes. to get it to connect to the computer you have to load the OF and you can copy your files. disconnect and it will boot into rockbox. |
| 04:59:33 | webguest95 | ok, |
| 04:59:44 | webguest95 | that's what I was referring to by full USB support |
| 04:59:46 | webguest95 | earlier |
| 04:59:47 | Alonea | and to load the OF, you just plug in USB when the player is off and it will automatically load the OF |
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| 05:00:04 | Alonea | and then when the player restarts, you are back in rockbox |
| 05:00:18 | webguest95 | do I have to copy files manually or is there a syncing type functionality? |
| 05:00:25 | psycho_maniac | Alonea: can you still not plug it in while your in rockbox? |
| 05:00:31 | psycho_maniac | you have to do it manually. |
| 05:00:43 | webguest95 | what do you guys use on the desktop computer to give an iTunes like functionality |
| 05:00:57 | psycho_maniac | the database thats built in rockbox |
| 05:01:10 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: you can plug in your USB while in RB, but your PC wont be able to read it correctly. So like I said, it just charges. |
| 05:01:47 | Alonea | webguest95: iTunes? *shudder* but if you want to find stuff like by artist, album, etc. there is the database feature on the player |
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| 05:03:04 | Alonea | webguest95: but my preference is to organize everything in folders (like you would on a computer). |
| 05:03:35 | psycho_maniac | i like the same preference as Alonea |
| 05:04:01 | webguest95 | I understand the rockbox firmware can let me browse by these different criteria, I'm talking about keeping a desktop application to keep the music sync-ed up between the portable player and the desktop PC |
| 05:04:03 | Alonea | its actually why I like my old Archos player |
| 05:04:43 | webguest95 | why do you prefer a folder/directory structure? |
| 05:04:44 | Alonea | webguest95: no. rockbox does not create software for Windows, Mac, or Linux. Only Mp3 players |
| 05:05:13 | psycho_maniac | I think there are some as i tried some once. Search for "The Godfather". I think thats what it was called and NO not the movie. |
| 05:05:15 | webguest95 | I understand that rockbox does not create software for the desktop and it is strictly a replacement firmware |
| 05:05:50 | webguest95 | but client software is used to connect to the rockbox player |
| 05:06:01 | webguest95 | right? |
| 05:06:09 | Alonea | webguest95: its easier for me. I mean, I have my normal folders that are named by artist and then album, but then I have folders with a "mix". I guess you could do the same with a playlist, but I prefer folder |
| 05:06:11 | psycho_maniac | no |
| 05:06:12 | Alonea | webguest95: no. |
| 05:06:30 | PaulPosition | Most people just drag and drop files to the directory structure they like.. But I suppose any file syncing tool would do, never tested. |
| 05:06:30 | Alonea | webguest95: think of your player as an external hard drive. |
| 05:07:08 | Alonea | webguest95: and under most systems (would be bad for me to assume all) it shows up as an external hard drive |
| 05:07:16 | psycho_maniac | Mine i have 2 folders Downloaded and Cd's wish has Artist/Album folders |
| 05:08:34 | PaulPosition | In contrast, the iTunes way is to copy the files, rename them to some obfuscated random code, cram them all in the same place and build a database because else you couldn't play them.. |
| 05:08:36 | Alonea | I got tons. I got folders with my books, folders with my gameboy games, picture folders, and then the basic artist album folders, and then special folders with my latest music I got, and then music from anime's, games, tvt/movies, etc. |
| 05:08:46 | webguest95 | Alonea: thanks for the clarification. most people treat it as an external drive and drag-&-drop files |
| 05:08:59 | Alonea | webguest95: correct. |
| 05:09:17 | Alonea | webguest95: I even use it sometimes to save files from school. |
| 05:09:21 | webguest95 | Is there a desktop application that will give me iTunes type look & feel & usability? |
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| 05:11:46 | psycho_maniac | Yeah I have the same as you Alonea. I just dont browse those folders often. When i get a lot of new songs i create a "Newest" folder also and I have a Videos folder. |
| 05:12:01 | Alonea | psycho_maniac: ah yes. my videos folder..forgot about it! |
| 05:12:13 | Alonea | webguest95: ummm. dunno. never seen iTunes before. |
| 05:13:13 | psycho_maniac | The only reason why i got the 80gig 5.5gen ipod is because of rockbox. I hate iTunes. |
| 05:13:22 | PaulPosition | Doesn't syncing with itunes become dangerous anyway? Like you erase something from the player, maybe by error, and it erases it from your computer too when syncing.. (i dunno, never used that..) |
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| 05:15:32 | psycho_maniac | also you can only have one library. like you cannot get songs from your cousins computer that he recently got because if you do you lose your library (over 5k songs lets say) just to get 30 other songs |
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| 05:18:26 | Alonea | the one time I tried to sync something (it was with my cell) I lost all my contacts. |
| 05:18:36 | Alonea | very wary of it... |
| 05:21:27 | webguest95 | Alonea: understandably |
| 05:22:25 | Alonea | webguest95: you might be able to use something like yahoo's player or maybe even WMP to do it. dunno how those work though |
| 05:25:55 | webguest95 | Does rockbox have the ability to show the album cover like on the ipod? |
| 05:26:53 | PaulPosition | It does, but it doesn't extract it from the id3 tags. You need to put a .bmp file in each folder (cover.bmp) .. |
| 05:27:01 | psycho_maniac | yes if you get the correct size album art. See the AlbumArt wiki page. |
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| 05:35:51 | webguest95 | so I have to go searching for each .bmp and make sure it's in the right directory? |
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| 05:43:07 | psycho_maniac | webguest95: I would suggest to look at the AlbumArt wiki page. That should answser all your questions. |
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| 05:55:36 | bignose | soap: it's now working on my iPod mini. |
| 05:56:02 | bignose | I believe the issue as of yesterday was a bad MBR image for this model on the Rockbox site |
| 05:56:19 | bignose | perhaps someone from this channel fixed that after I brought it to their attention? |
| 05:57:08 | | Part hcs |
| 05:57:23 | bignose | alternatively, it could be that yesterday I kept getting it wrong through a dozen attempts, but today got it right first time. unlikely. |
| 05:57:56 | bignose | regardless: tanks to all in #rockbox for helping me get it working! |
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| 06:07:07 | preglow | what up in dis bitch! |
| 06:07:30 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:09:45 | * | scorche takes the booze away from preglow |
| 06:10:35 | Auken | grrr |
| 06:10:39 | Auken | Several installations |
| 06:10:42 | Auken | reinstallations |
| 06:10:55 | Auken | Rockbox doesn't let me use the clickwheel |
| 06:11:01 | Auken | nothing but AppleOS does |
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| 06:11:21 | Auken | iPod 4G 20 gigabytes, what could be wrong here? |
| 06:12:20 | preglow | d |
| 06:12:41 | scorche | please use longer lines instead of the enter key so much....but i really cant tell you...it is possible that the build could be buggered, but i havent heard any past reports of that....try an older build? |
| 06:12:59 | preglow | talking to me? :D |
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| 06:13:11 | scorche | no... Auken |
| 06:13:27 | preglow | ok, i'm stuggling though, so do ignore me |
| 06:13:28 | keanu | question - I have a copy of the freestate theme (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8639) and while I know there's quite a few people who want it, Saphrano hasn't been on the Rockbox forums since Sept. would i be able to distribute it, or do I have to wait until he gets back on (if ever)? |
| 06:13:57 | scorche | preglow: i can mute you, if you wish :) |
| 06:14:48 | scorche | keanu: unless he has licensed it or given other permission, you cant distribute |
| 06:16:02 | keanu | scorche, that's kinda what I figured =/ on the last page, he did talk about uploading "the source of WPS for modders" but I'm guessing that until he officially licenses it, I can't distribute |
| 06:16:16 | scorche | yes...that is not permission |
| 06:16:24 | keanu | i know |
| 06:16:58 | preglow | scorche: donæt think i'll be contrinbuting much, so plase do :V |
| 06:17:25 | scorche | preglow: if you want, you can join -community => |
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| 06:17:59 | scorche | as you wish :) |
| 06:18:01 | keanu | lol |
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| 06:18:10 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:20:16 | preglow | :D |
| 06:20:26 | scorche | errr |
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| 06:25:39 | scorche | ban exemptions are nice :) |
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| 10:15:52 | rasher | amiconn: if you're interested in easy pickings, FS #8482 has the beginnings of automatic MAX_LANGUAGE_SIZE. |
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| 12:08:23 | Buschel | wow, did you see the nano's battery bench with FS #8379 pre-v13 and mpc? -> 11h :o) |
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| 12:17:25 | * | Bagder cheers |
| 12:17:59 | Buschel | stel: did you see my response and questions to your results? |
| 12:19:43 | stel | Buschel: yes, 0xc4004124 worked :) |
| 12:20:10 | Buschel | stel: fine :o) and did you use video or nano settings basically? |
| 12:20:26 | stel | video |
| 12:20:42 | stel | I've set DEV_INIT1 to 54000000 |
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| 12:21:30 | Buschel | why? which bits are necessary for which function? |
| 12:23:13 | stel | Buschel: I'm just playing, thats the first value I could find that worked. |
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| 12:23:55 | Buschel | ah, ok. i am asking as i want to document this stuff at least in the PP-register page |
| 12:24:47 | Buschel | it's an e280, right? |
| 12:24:58 | stel | yepp |
| 12:26:07 | * | Buschel is going to feed his 5month baby, hopefully it's not becoming a mess ;o) |
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| 12:26:48 | Bagder | that sounds like wishful thinking... :-) |
| 12:27:45 | scorche | Bagder: think you could put a link to the IrcGuidelines page and little note on the CGI:IRC login screen? |
| 12:28:23 | Bagder | a good idea |
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| 12:31:24 | stel | Buschel: When you return, 54000000 is what's displayed in i/o ports if I don't set DEV_INIT1 manually. |
| 12:31:25 | Bagder | ... but I can see how, without patching the perl script itself... |
| 12:31:28 | Bagder | can't |
| 12:31:49 | Bagder | food time |
| 12:32:27 | scorche | Bagder: for when you return: http://cvs.cgiirc.org/cgiirc/wiki?p=CustomLoginForm |
| 12:32:49 | scorche | :) |
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| 12:46:10 | Buschel | badger: i am a lucky father -> unbelievable, but no mess :) |
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| 13:10:43 | Bagder | Buschel: ;-) my son is 15 months and he certainly knows the mess part very well... |
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| 14:06:44 | Darksair | Hi all. Is the album art feature a patch or a build-in one? |
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| 14:08:03 | roolku | Darksair: build-in |
| 14:09:00 | Darksair | Then why I cannot use WPSs with this feature? It just shows the defaulf wps |
| 14:09:23 | Darksair | Mine is a iPod video |
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| 14:11:08 | roolku | Darksair: hard to say without looking at the wps in question - I suspect it contains other unsupported tags |
| 14:12:11 | bluebrother | you could try checking the output of the sim |
| 14:12:22 | Darksair | The same... |
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| 14:13:12 | Darksair | I'll make a wps with only album art on it and try |
| 14:13:13 | bluebrother | already tried the −−debugwps switch of the sim? |
| 14:13:37 | Darksair | Don't know that option... I'll try that |
| 14:13:43 | Darksair | Thanks guys~~ |
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| 14:14:37 | Kushal_one | I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Please help. |
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| 14:15:48 | bluebrother | Kushal_one: check the wiki. There is a SansaE200Unbrick page (or called similarly, not exactly sure) |
| 14:16:40 | Kushal_one | I did, and I tried both recovery mode and diag mode. did not work for me . |
| 14:18:05 | Kushal_one | Is the 2GB all the memory on the mp3 player? does it not have some special protected place for system files? |
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| 14:19:58 | bluebrother | sorry, can't help you further with that −− I don't have that much detailed knowledge of the c200 |
| 14:21:46 | * | Domonoky_ thinks the recovery mode should always work.. Kushal_one: see this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port |
| 14:22:26 | Tuplanolla | at least on my sansa e280 there is another partition for system files |
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| 14:22:37 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: I just had an idea about rbutil on Vista ... maybe calling the binary "install.exe" helps with the UAC issues? |
| 14:23:19 | ender` | what's the problem on vista? |
| 14:24:02 | Domonoky_ | UAC on vista prevents rbutil from working. especially the patchers, as they need direct disk access .. |
| 14:24:29 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: do you really think another filename would help ? is vista this silly ? |
| 14:24:57 | bluebrother | there is an issue (read: special handling) for install.exe and similar. |
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| 14:24:59 | Domonoky_ | the other problem with vista is, that no rbutil dev has it to test.. |
| 14:25:26 | bluebrother | I read about this on the cygwin ml ... they had issues with the tool "install" and vista tried to elevate it |
| 14:25:37 | Domonoky_ | so we need to find someone with vista to test this :-) |
| 14:26:30 | bluebrother | I just read that this handling seems to be a compatibility thingy ... |
| 14:26:59 | Domonoky_ | hehe, would be a nice backdoor, someone has to try it.. :-) |
| 14:28:35 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: http://jamespo.org.uk/wp/archives/189 |
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| 14:30:10 | Domonoky_ | according to this we could even name it: rbutil-install-vista-hack.exe :-) |
| 14:31:12 | bluebrother | yep. Or rename rbutil to rbutil-install.exe :) |
| 14:36:23 | Domonoky_ | now, we only need someone, to confirm that this is enough to run rbutil cleanly on vista, and i will rename :-) |
| 14:37:36 | bluebrother | maybe it's sufficient to have a vista-compatibility-app that simply is called vista-install.exe and calls the real rbutil |
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| 14:49:32 | bluebrother | can rockbox still use mp3 voice files on swcodec? |
| 14:50:22 | Darksair | What does %m means in a wps? |
| 14:50:49 | Darksair | I failed to find it in the manual |
| 14:51:12 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: only on archos.. swcodec now needs rbspeex voices |
| 14:51:13 | pixelma | Darksair: the CustomWPS page in the wiki is more up to date |
| 14:51:24 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 14:51:30 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: but rbutil can generate them.. :-) |
| 14:51:34 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: then maybe rbutil should tell the user this |
| 14:51:37 | Darksair | Ah... Thanks! |
| 14:52:17 | Domonoky_ | rbutil could automatically select the encoder, depending on the detected device.. |
| 14:52:51 | bluebrother | yep, and it could display a warning if the user selects an encoder that won't work on the player |
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| 14:52:59 | Domonoky_ | yup... |
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| 14:53:11 | bluebrother | it doesn't make sense to create an mp3 voice file from svn for e.g. an ipod ... |
| 14:53:48 | Domonoky_ | or just make it an automatic selection based on the device, with no user control.. |
| 14:53:53 | ender` | <Domonoky_> UAC on vista prevents rbutil from working. especially the patchers, as they need direct disk access .. <- add a manifest with requestedExecutionLevel administrator: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb756929.aspx |
| 14:55:48 | Domonoky_ | hm, i am not familiar with those manifests.. is it possible to create such thing without visual studio ? :-) |
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| 14:56:07 | bluebrother | the patchers already include a manifest file. |
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| 14:56:54 | bluebrother | but iirc there was a difference between cli and gui apps regarding the manifest |
| 14:56:57 | ender` | Domonoky_: yes, it's just an XML file that's embedded in a resource |
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| 14:57:01 | bluebrother | haven't checked extensively though |
| 14:57:22 | Domonoky_ | yes, rbutil uses code of the patchers so it would need its own manifest.. |
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| 14:57:41 | Domonoky_ | i will try to make one for rbutil |
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| 14:58:44 | * | bluebrother will read that page later |
| 14:59:19 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: do you have access to a vista box for testing? |
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| 15:00:25 | Domonoky_ | nope.. do you have access to one ? |
| 15:00:48 | Domonoky_ | but if it works for our patchers, it also should work for rbutil |
| 15:01:28 | bluebrother | I have a legal copy of vista I could set up in a virtual machine. Unfortunately the CD isn't at my place |
| 15:01:45 | bluebrother | but I guess I'll have to setup a test machine at some time anyway |
| 15:01:55 | pixelma | roolku: nice commit :) |
| 15:02:16 | * | Domonoky_ only has a recovery disk of vista, and i dont want to ruin my laptop again.. :-) |
| 15:04:07 | Domonoky_ | also only ipodpatcher has a manifest, for sansapatcher and e200rpatcher its also missing.. |
| 15:04:09 | roolku | pixelma: thanks. :) There don't seem to be many users (never mind developers) with that player. I hope it is worth the effort |
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| 15:06:03 | * | Domonoky_ has now mad a manifest, but i dont know if i should commit it without testing.. |
| 15:06:44 | pixelma | a mad manifest? ;) |
| 15:06:57 | Domonoky_ | :-) damn typos.. |
| 15:08:21 | bluebrother | those manifest thing is mad anyway ;-) |
| 15:09:04 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: maybe create a prerelease build with the manifest and ask people in the forums to try it? |
| 15:10:54 | bluebrother | anyway, I'm out for today. Those bastards are still keeping me on hold for getting an affordable internet connection. |
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| 15:11:56 | Kushal_one | Domonky, I tried it on a macbook and it did not work. Do you think recovery mode would work on a Windows XP or Windows Vista Machine if it did not work on a Mac OS X Tiger? I don't own a windows machine anymore but my friends do |
| 15:12:52 | Domonoky_ | Kushal_one: i dont know, i dont own a sansa |
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| 15:14:31 | kushal | Domoky_, do you think it is worth it to give it a shot on a windows machine? |
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| 17:30:24 | soap | Buschel, I can confirm the recent FS notice that the E200 patch does not appear to be working. |
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| 18:08:09 | Buschel | soap: hmm, do you have time for little debugging session? |
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| 18:15:18 | pixelma | BigBambi: pitily the manual has its week points (partly not up to date, wording not up to date etc.), any help appreciated ;) |
| 18:15:32 | BigBambi | Yeah, I know |
| 18:15:52 | BigBambi | Every now and then I start to look at rearranging and swiftly give up again :) |
| 18:16:06 | BigBambi | One day... |
| 18:16:07 | pixelma | eh.. "wording could be better", I meant |
| 18:16:26 | BigBambi | Yes, it certainly could |
| 18:16:37 | BigBambi | There are many places to fiddle with |
| 18:16:51 | pixelma | there weren't many native speakers working on it lately |
| 18:16:58 | BigBambi | Maybe I shall gather my resolve and plunge once more unto the breech! |
| 18:17:14 | pixelma | go, go, go! :) |
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| 18:19:14 | BigBambi | heh :) |
| 18:19:41 | BigBambi | Do you have any particular areas in mind? Or do we have a page about it? |
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| 18:25:59 | pixelma | hmm... I'm not aware of a page for it. Three parts coming to my mind which is - text viewer (it's very short and out of date, doesn't mention the internal menu and how to get there, wrong info about saving its settings etc.)... |
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| 18:26:42 | * | BigBambi recalls the being in MSC mode note is only in the manual instructions part and goes to move it |
| 18:27:17 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people |
| 18:27:28 | pixelma | ...the radio chapter (I don't like the style of the howtos at the end, all starting with "press x to go to the menu..." but not giving an overview) |
| 18:27:51 | Casainho | can anyone help me and tell If I will have to have a bootloader for the Rockbox Player? |
| 18:28:28 | Casainho | I don't understand If a bootloader is needed in devices that have an original firmware... |
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| 18:28:37 | pixelma | BigBambi: the installation chapter... yes that's what I had in mind too (and already started working on) - there are also other things missing like v2 Sansas etc... |
| 18:28:54 | * | Buschel summons stel |
| 18:28:58 | BigBambi | pixelma: OK, well I'll leave that if you are doing it - perhaps I will look at radio |
| 18:29:39 | pixelma | BigBambi: sounds like a plan :) |
| 18:29:54 | BigBambi | righto :) |
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| 18:30:20 | PaulPosition | Casainho - Did you have a look at the manual for the device you want rockboxed ? (hint : ALL devices have an Original Firmware, else they wouldn't do anything) |
| 18:30:24 | BigBambi | Casainho: Do you mean where rockbox will be the OF, or where they can dual boot? |
| 18:30:33 | BigBambi | PaulPosition: He is designing a device |
| 18:30:40 | PaulPosition | Oh. :p |
| 18:30:51 | PaulPosition | nevermind. :D |
| 18:31:25 | Casainho | well rockbox player is being made from scratch, is our hardware - thats why I don't know If we will need of a bootloader or not... |
| 18:32:46 | BigBambi | I don't have much experience, but I would say yes |
| 18:32:56 | BigBambi | 1) For safety |
| 18:33:28 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: a bootloader would be good, for safety and easy upgrading.. |
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| 18:33:52 | BigBambi | You can experiment with new firmwares without having to muck about too much if it doesn't work, just use bootloader usb to put a new firmware on |
| 18:34:18 | BigBambi | pixelma: The radio is section is tiny at the moment |
| 18:34:28 | soap | Buschel, I'm here now if you want to try something |
| 18:34:30 | Casainho | oh, so It means that I must work with USB? - I don't know nothing about USB.... |
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| 18:34:46 | BigBambi | I will play with it :) |
| 18:34:58 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: doesnt need to be USB, could also be a mmc/sd card.. :-) |
| 18:35:08 | Buschel | hi soap, seems like i misunderstood stel... can you make some changes in my latest e200-patch? |
| 18:35:13 | soap | sure can |
| 18:35:19 | pixelma | BigBambi: many thanks and good luck :) |
| 18:35:29 | Buschel | soap: please comment the GPO-stuff first |
| 18:35:31 | BigBambi | cheers |
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| 18:35:43 | Casainho | well, interesting the fact that the MCU that I will use have a kind of USB boot... |
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| 18:36:31 | Casainho | if It will not find program in flash memory, It will try to download program by USB, but I don't know nothing at USB, specily program it on PC side... |
| 18:37:37 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: there should be tools to interface this, to load software on this mcu/devboard |
| 18:37:42 | soap | Buschel, I'm going to need a bit more of a hint than that. |
| 18:38:24 | Domonoky_ | for development this should be enough, and if it is ready we could write our own usb downloader, or another bootloader |
| 18:38:58 | Buschel | soap: no prob. with system-pp502x.h, line #344 and 345. just comment those and rebuild |
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| 18:41:41 | soap | .h or .c? |
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| 18:42:04 | Buschel | soap: ooops, .c |
| 18:42:05 | Casainho | Domonoky_: "This application note describes the host Flash loader used to upload and program an |
| 18:42:06 | Casainho | application in the Flash memory of a Flash-based AT91 microcontroller." |
| 18:43:14 | Casainho | "The host loader software runs under Windows. The executable file AT91Loader.exe has been |
| 18:43:16 | Casainho | generated with Microsoft® Visual Studio® 6.0." -> they give the sources of that program :-) |
| 18:43:44 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: i am also just scanning the specs of this mcu... |
| 18:43:54 | Casainho | So, in this case I don't need the bootloader? - since I assume that this MCU already have one? |
| 18:44:09 | Casainho | Domonoky_: thank you :-) |
| 18:44:14 | Domonoky_ | the have an open tool set to upload code to it.. so you dont need a bootloader |
| 18:45:44 | * | Domonoky_ also has a olimex arm devboard for experiments.. but a bit slower then the planned one for rockboxPlayerV1 :-) |
| 18:46:48 | soap | Buschel, post changes: Flashes a full white screen (like previously), but instead of shutting down it fades back to a full white screen with a dark line running horizontal across the middle of the screen, and needs a hard reset. |
| 18:47:31 | Casainho | Domonoky_: you have one Olimex dev board? what board? :-) |
| 18:48:14 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: this one http://www.olimex.com/dev/lpc-p2148.html |
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| 18:49:06 | Casainho | Domonoky_: eheh, without SDRAM and with an ARM7 |
| 18:49:16 | Domonoky_ | at the moment it controls a few rgb leds, controlled by a 3d g sensor :-) |
| 18:49:33 | Casainho | I think SDRAM should be important for Rockbox :-) |
| 18:49:45 | Domonoky_ | yes, of course.. |
| 18:50:11 | Domonoky_ | thi dev board isnt meant for rockbox.. its just an experimenation board for me.. |
| 18:50:12 | Casainho | Domonoky_: how do you upload code for that ARM7? |
| 18:50:30 | Buschel | soap: stel just posted the exact code which worked for him. seems like he also used different DEV_RS/DEV_RS2 |
| 18:50:34 | Domonoky_ | there is a flash tool for it, over serial connection |
| 18:50:56 | * | Nico_P is playing with doxygen |
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| 18:51:12 | soap | ahh, Buschel, I didn't catch that. |
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| 18:51:27 | Buschel | soap: can you also comment the DEV_RS/DEV_RS2 lines (#350 −− #353)? |
| 18:51:42 | Casainho | Domonoky_: hmmm, that flash tool is from Atmel? If so, It should be the same that I will use... do you use a JTAG? |
| 18:52:16 | Casainho | Domonoky_: what are the tools that you use to program, debug? - and what do you think that should me necessary for porting rockbox? |
| 18:52:42 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: no this mcu is from phillips, and so is the flash tool.. andi dont have a jtag wiggler.. |
| 18:53:38 | fyrestorm | is it possible to play .mod files on rockbox on the apple 5g or no? is there a patch or does the hardware not support it? |
| 18:53:40 | soap | Buschel, commenting out those four additional lines allow me to boot into rockbox. |
| 18:53:51 | Casainho | Domonoky_: well, I bought a JTAG Wiggler... |
| 18:53:56 | Domonoky_ | i program it with Winarm (thats just gcc +make+ editor in a package), and debugging with outputs over serial, at the moments the projects i have done on it are small |
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| 18:54:40 | Buschel | soap: ok, then please uncomment those lines and use "DEV_RS = 0x3bfffef8;" instead of line #350 |
| 18:54:43 | Casainho | Domonoky_: I understand, I use at my work for 8 bits AVR, GCC + make + text editor... |
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| 18:55:00 | Casainho | Domonoky_: also serial for debug :-) |
| 18:55:08 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
| 18:55:14 | fyrestorm | thanks :D |
| 18:55:28 | fyrestorm | how do i implement this? |
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| 18:57:08 | Casainho | Domonoky_: So, resuming, I think now that there should be no need to write a bootloader, since there is one already for serial port and serial port is availably |
| 18:57:32 | Casainho | Domonoky_: If I build rockbox, the result is a .HEX file that I can upload? |
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| 18:58:11 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: you have to configure the tool correctly so the make a correct binary for it.. |
| 18:58:40 | Domonoky_ | with tools i mean the tools of the rockbox build system, ie gcc ld and such .. |
| 18:58:54 | Casainho | Domonoky_: I read a page on TWiki about that... but the bootloader confused me |
| 18:59:09 | soap | Buschel, after uncommenting those four lines, and changing line 350 to 0x3bfffef8, it boots - white flash between bootloader and rockbox splash screen - I'll be honest and say I don't use the Sansa enough to recall if that is normal or not... |
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| 19:00:28 | BigBambi | fyrestorm: You need to set up a dev environment, then patch the source code, then build rockbox |
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| 19:01:06 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: if i think about it, it depends on where the builtin bootloader can write the data.. ie only buitin mcu ram, or to sdram or to nand flash ?? |
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| 19:01:56 | Buschel | soap: good news. if you change line #339 to "#elif 0" and add "|| defined (SANSA_E200)" to line #297 you'll get the svn behaviour. |
| 19:02:04 | Casainho | Domonoky_: I don't know..... |
| 19:02:19 | soap | Buschel, I just tested svn behavior - and that flash /is/ normal it appears. |
| 19:02:28 | Buschel | soap: second good news :) |
| 19:02:33 | Casainho | Domonoky_: It's need that It will write on flash, I assume |
| 19:03:03 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: also the olimex board for rockboxv1 comes with linux.. so it shoudnt be to hard to port rockbox.. :-) |
| 19:03:05 | Buschel | soap: so, setting GPO_VAL is still "open" and resetting LCD while startup is also bad... |
| 19:03:47 | Buschel | soap: what is the value of GP032_VAL when using svn? |
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| 19:04:23 | soap | where do I check that? |
| 19:04:30 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: so with luck the olimex already has a bootloader to load linux :-) which we could abuse.. |
| 19:04:31 | soap | I don't mean to be such an idiot. |
| 19:04:36 | Casainho | Domonoky_: okok,, I think I need to read more about the bootloader first :-) - thank you :-) |
| 19:05:05 | Buschel | soap: engineering menu -> view i/o ports -> GPO32 |
| 19:05:34 | soap | 10000004 |
| 19:06:30 | Buschel | soap: what happens, if you disable those on startup? also LCD errors? |
| 19:07:39 | soap | Buschel, I don't mean to disappoint - but I do need more hand-holding |
| 19:07:56 | soap | I'm assuming you mean re-comment #350-353? |
| 19:08:54 | Buschel | soap: sorry, I am too much into this stuff :/ -> uncomment line #344 and use x10000000 first to check, if 0x4 is not needed |
| 19:09:40 | soap | ok, uncomment #344 and change from GPO32_ENABLE = 0x40004000; to GPO32_ENABLE = 0x10000000;? |
| 19:09:48 | Buschel | yes. |
| 19:11:02 | Buschel | like this -> http://pastebin.com/m734e750 |
| 19:11:15 | Buschel | maybe we should use pastebin ;) |
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| 19:13:11 | soap | ok, changing 344 works |
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| 19:13:26 | soap | but your pastebin changes 345 (GPO32_VAL |
| 19:13:29 | soap | ) |
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| 19:15:03 | Buschel | ? so we talked about different lines all the time then? my tool says line #344... |
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| 19:15:19 | Buschel | ok, can you use the pastebin link? |
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| 19:17:15 | soap | http://pastebin.com/m5469242f boots fine |
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| 19:18:10 | Buschel | soap: good. and this one? -> http://pastebin.com/m2849ae36 |
| 19:21:09 | soap | http://pastebin.com/m51f3e3e0 is the only line I changed: No boot. |
| 19:21:22 | soap | Double white flash and hold on solid white screen. |
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| 19:23:18 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: what i think would be more important for the rockboxplayerV1 is schematic of the needed external boards.. to make sure there are no problems or forgotten things.. |
| 19:24:53 | Casainho | Domonoky_: okok, I am working on this :-) |
| 19:25:48 | Buschel | soap: ok, so x10000000 is needed. any other issues should be tested via test-patch i guess. so, this works for you -> http://pastebin.com/m3dacb6a2 ? |
| 19:25:51 | Casainho | Domonoky_: as you can read, I have the connections for the LCD, for audio DAC should be very simple also and buttons very simples!!! :-) |
| 19:26:32 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: how about batterys / power circuit ? |
| 19:27:10 | rasher | Bagder: I implemented most of what's needed for automatic language buffer size, but I don't know how to actually make the code use the calculated value. FS #8482 |
| 19:27:30 | Domonoky_ | as i read the board has a internal voltage converter, so you only need to provice 5vdc, but battery charging ? |
| 19:28:36 | Casainho | Show RockBox running on some Free/Open hardware. After we can go to Olimex and ask them (or any others) If they are still interested on assembly and sell the hardware as a gadget on their online shop. We had contacted Olimex on 11 January 2007 and they said they will probably be interested and they even suggest a possible hardware configuration and price: AT91SAM9260 + LCD NOKIA 6610 + 8MB... |
| 19:28:39 | Casainho | Domonoky_: Objectives |
| 19:28:40 | Casainho | ...flash + 8/16MB SDRAM + nRF24L01 wireless chip + audio CODEC + Li-ion battery + charger + miniUSB + buttons, price in range of 100 €. |
| 19:29:22 | Casainho | Domonoky_: we don't need to design the battery charger at this stage :-) - Olimex will do that, or, we will do that later :-) |
| 19:30:03 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: okey, so buttons / adc / lcd are need as external things.. |
| 19:30:11 | soap | Buschel, http://pastebin.com/m3dacb6a2 boots for me. |
| 19:30:30 | Buschel | soap: ok, thanks a lot then. I will update the patch now. |
| 19:30:42 | Domonoky_ | replace adc with dac :-) |
| 19:30:43 | Casainho | Domonoky_: yes, I think is simple, easy and cheap :-) - less the dev board that is expensive... |
| 19:32:20 | Domonoky_ | Casainho: does some one already have the devboard ? (because it would be interessting what software is included) |
| 19:33:43 | Casainho | Domonoky_: no, no one bought the dev board already. I am getting all other cheap hardware and I will just buy the dev board on final phase... - the price of the dev board puts difficult to developers adhere to the project, I think. |
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| 19:52:18 | Bagder | rasher: if nobody else grabs it, I'll get my hands on FS #8482 within a couple of days |
| 19:53:22 | rasher | Bagder: sounds good. It should be really simple for someone with a clue. There's a new "make langs" target which builds langs in apps/lang/ and creates a max_language_size.h in $(BUILDDIR) |
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| 19:54:54 | rasher | And I modified buildzip to just copy them from there, rather than running genlang |
| 19:57:32 | Bagder | nice and small patch at least! ;-) |
| 19:58:18 | rasher | Yeah, it was really not a lot of work. I just have no idea how to actually use the generated .h file |
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| 20:01:28 | Bagder | there are some genlang warnings... |
| 20:01:53 | rasher | About greek.lang? |
| 20:02:18 | Bagder | greek, magyar and tagalog |
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| 20:02:31 | rasher | Those are probably just hidden when building usually? |
| 20:02:56 | Bagder | yeah, buildzip hides them |
| 20:05:23 | Bagder | we should first make sure that "make langs" only runs genlang if really needed |
| 20:05:40 | rasher | You mean using make to figure out if it's needed? |
| 20:05:45 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:05:52 | rasher | I'll leave that to you |
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| 20:06:03 | Bagder | sure |
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| 20:07:30 | rasher | I suppose apps/lang/ could have a proper makefile |
| 20:08:09 | Bagder | yes it feels like the right thing |
| 20:11:38 | rasher | Most of my work out the window I suppose, but yeah, it seems much more proper |
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| 20:14:21 | linuxstb | Wouldn't it be better (in terms of build speed), to have one monolithic Makefile, possibly using includes? |
| 20:14:33 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:14:56 | Bagder | but possibly somewhat harder to write/maintain |
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| 20:21:29 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 20:23:57 | kri | where do you se current version on the ipod? |
| 20:24:09 | kri | rockbox-info.txt ? |
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| 20:25:37 | linuxstb | Yes, but also in the System option in the main menu - I think it's "Info" |
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| 20:47:07 | kugel | Since when does reboot on plugging in USB work on sansa? |
| 20:47:15 | kugel | well, at least e200 |
| 20:48:00 | stel | Buschel: the e200-test-02.patch seems to be ok. I'll do another battery test & get back to you |
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| 21:06:57 | preglow | Buschel: 9:50 with latest changes, that's over 1:10 better than without the changes! |
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| 21:21:20 | T-Mac | Hey guys i threw on a theme from the webpage " Metroid " and all the text is screwd up what should i do to throw on a default? |
| 21:21:29 | T-Mac | i can't navigate at all |
| 21:21:56 | linuxstb | What device are you running Rockbox on? |
| 21:22:02 | T-Mac | 5.5g |
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| 21:22:24 | linuxstb | Turn it off (long press on PLAY/PAUSE), then turn it on, and as soon as the backlight comes on, turn the hold switch on. |
| 21:22:33 | linuxstb | That will reset your settings. |
| 21:22:46 | linuxstb | Alternatively, you can manually edit the config.cfg file from your computer. |
| 21:23:48 | T-Mac | so restarting it into the original OS from itunes will reset my theme in rockbox? |
| 21:24:19 | T-Mac | excellent thanks :) i can now read! :) |
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| 21:25:13 | Horscht | and no, booting into the original FW won't clear your settings |
| 21:25:36 | T-Mac | i can see that but it allowed me to be able to read the text from the theme :) |
| 21:26:19 | T-Mac | grrrr i tried changing it again.... i rebooted it and still i cant see the text... it seams to be stuck on metroid :( |
| 21:26:23 | Horscht | yeah, it all depends at what point you turn the hold switch on |
| 21:26:35 | T-Mac | oh |
| 21:26:40 | Horscht | use a different them than metroid then |
| 21:27:03 | T-Mac | i tried thats what i did but the metroid one stay stuck on it.... i changed it to a orignal rockbox theme and it stayed on metroid :( |
| 21:27:29 | linuxstb | If you turn the hold switch on before the backlight comes on, you'll start the Apple firmware. If you turn it on after the backlight comes on (but before Rockbox itself starts - you need to be quick...), that will reset your settings. |
| 21:27:34 | T-Mac | i just rebooted it twice and its still stuck on metroid and i cant read |
| 21:27:46 | T-Mac | oh okay :) |
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| 21:28:00 | Horscht | you will then be presented with the default rockbox theme |
| 21:28:11 | T-Mac | excellent! :) awsm thanks for the tip :) |
| 21:28:18 | T-Mac | it said Cleared! :) |
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| 21:29:41 | soap | Nico_P, if you have a chance to answer a question regarding the bmp_resize patch for someone (me) who isn't working on it: What is the (theoretically speaking) solution for the large static buffer? |
| 21:29:51 | soap | If no time - ignore me- it's cool. |
| 21:30:27 | Nico_P | soap: resizing on bitmap loading or using the buffering API |
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| 21:30:35 | Nico_P | ... to allocate a temp buffer |
| 21:30:50 | linuxstb | That sounds suspicously like malloc... ;) |
| 21:31:08 | Buschel | preglow: nice result :) |
| 21:31:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, I'm not sure it's very viable anyway... maybe we'll just have to accept using a static buffer |
| 21:31:55 | soap | Buschel, with the mad rush of random runtime results coming in now - what runtime comparisons do you most need to see? |
| 21:31:59 | Nico_P | it could be used for all possible resizing though |
| 21:32:24 | linuxstb | I would have thought you could resize whilst loading, without needing a large buffer though. |
| 21:33:19 | Nico_P | yeah, it's possible. I really don't feel like implementing it though |
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| 21:33:35 | Nico_P | the bitmap loading code is complex to me |
| 21:33:56 | T-Mac | how comme when i plug my rockbox player sometimes it detects on the pc so i can access it but sometimes it just charge's the batterie.... i have the setting charge while usb pluged in to Off and it still only works half the time |
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| 21:36:18 | Buschel | soap: there are no results for c200, mini and mini2g yet, which could be interesting. furthermore I need some support (which I already asked for in the flyspray) for fiddling out the minimum register settings for c200, mini, mini2g and photo/color. |
| 21:37:01 | soap | poop - I only have a Nano, Video, E200 |
| 21:37:35 | Buschel | hopefully some users of such come around the patch... |
| 21:38:31 | soap | you need them in here, pretty much, don't you. |
| 21:38:48 | soap | Or is there a series of configs we could pre-build for people to test in order? |
| 21:41:42 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Hmm, so FS #5697 doesn't touch the bmp loading function at all - it loads the large bitmaps, and rescales every time it needs to draw it? |
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| 21:42:04 | Nico_P | linuxstb: not everytime I think, but apart from that, yes |
| 21:43:00 | Nico_P | the patch does need improvement |
| 21:44:36 | rasher | JdGordon, linuxstb: using viewports + viewports-lists, I can't compile for m:robe 500 |
| 21:44:49 | JdGordon | yeah, ignore it :p |
| 21:45:14 | kugel | JdGordon: Hey, I know what tdooke meant in his last comment |
| 21:45:16 | Buschel | soap: I also thought about pre-config... but for now we only have 2x 5022 and 1x 5024 with detailled configuration -> 5020 totally missing. I don't know whether c200 is identical to to e200, but I could use the same as a first try... |
| 21:45:36 | JdGordon | kugel: enlighten me then :D |
| 21:45:36 | kugel | at least I think so, I didn't even apply your patch yet |
| 21:45:54 | Buschel | soap: you also see that the 5022/5024 devices use different settings especially with the LCD stuff |
| 21:46:29 | soap | :( so the answer is "Sit back and wait for a 5020 user to step forward to play." |
| 21:46:32 | kugel | JdGordon: I think he was talking about that the indent of the icons and text aren't proper at times |
| 21:46:52 | kugel | depending on icons/scrollbar/list title to be displayed |
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| 21:47:53 | preglow | Buschel: i wonder what more can be done |
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| 21:49:34 | Nico_P | read_bmp_fd() is really discouraging IMO |
| 21:50:07 | Buschel | soap/preglow: with a little luck we may find out for what the left device enabled are used for. then we could check whether these must be enabled all the time or only for a special action (like DEV_USB or DEV_OPTO) |
| 21:50:56 | Buschel | preglow/soap: e.g. you can switch off/on DEV_I2C unless I2C activity is going on −− this works on my 5G, but showed errors on a H10 |
| 21:51:47 | kugel | Nico_P: I know what you're talking about ;) |
| 21:51:51 | preglow | Buschel: does that reduce power consumption by much? |
| 21:52:01 | Buschel | also the yet unknown DEV_EN 0x100 seems to enable/disable GPIOx_INPUT. I am not usre whether we caould use this knowledge |
| 21:52:15 | Buschel | preglow: not really |
| 21:52:27 | Buschel | *sure |
| 21:54:02 | preglow | i don't think i2c sucks too much, really |
| 21:54:25 | Buschel | you'll never know what the PP does... |
| 21:55:14 | obo | Buschel: I have a c200 - are you just after runtime tests? |
| 21:55:33 | Buschel | another test by saratoga shows that lowering the core voltage (PP5024 only) saves some more power −− I could implement it for testing, but this will only affect e200 then |
| 21:56:17 | Llorean | Wouldn't that then work on PP5022s as well? |
| 21:56:33 | Buschel | obo: not only. It would be fine, if you could check whether the initialization for e200 also works for c200 (FS #8379, latest patch, system-pp502x.c). |
| 21:57:03 | obo | okay, will do |
| 21:57:20 | obo | Domonoky_: are you still after someone with Vista? |
| 21:57:30 | Domonoky_ | yes.. |
| 21:57:35 | Buschel | llorean: on PP5024 the as3514 is contained for which the commands to lower core voltage are known. PP5022 does not have this one included |
| 21:57:43 | obo | okay, I have business edition here... |
| 21:57:46 | Llorean | Domonoky_: If you don't find someone with Vista in a few days, when I get home I'll be able to. It'll still be several days yet, though |
| 21:57:52 | Llorean | Buschel: Aaah, okay |
| 21:57:55 | Buschel | obo: thanks |
| 21:58:08 | Domonoky_ | obo, please try domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.1pre.exe">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.1pre.exe |
| 21:58:38 | obo | Domonoky_: also, just to spice things up a bit... in the last few minor revisions of QT allow you to compile and make builds with MSVC as well as mingw |
| 21:59:07 | Buschel | obo: just add "|| defined(SANSA_C200)" to line #331 and change line #290 to "#if 0" |
| 21:59:14 | Domonoky_ | obo: but then i would need msvc, i like the console more :-) |
| 21:59:36 | obo | Domonoky_: rbutil builds, but I wasn't able to produce a working libspeex - I was using the free express edition |
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| 22:00:11 | Domonoky_ | yes the libspeex make seem to not work outside of cygwin.. |
| 22:00:30 | obo | yup, system calls to cat etc |
| 22:00:33 | Buschel | soap: btw, you may try FS #8480 to have linear decrease of battery percent on e200 |
| 22:00:53 | Domonoky_ | i just build the rbspeex.lib in cygwin.. works :-) |
| 22:01:14 | soap | Buschel, do you want me to add that to the testing builds? |
| 22:01:40 | Buschel | soap: like you want :o) |
| 22:02:07 | Domonoky_ | obo: but what i want you to test on vista, isnt in svn, use the binary i posted :-) |
| 22:02:17 | Buschel | i thought about adding it to the patch. but it is another issue not directly connected to power consumption |
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| 22:05:49 | Redbreva | Domonoky_ : I have Vista Business here too, what are you looking to test with that build? |
| 22:06:08 | obo | Domonoky_: yup, I am, just had to find all the DLLs :) - it prompted me for UAC access |
| 22:06:22 | Domonoky_ | prompting is good.. |
| 22:06:54 | Domonoky_ | now the bootloader installation should work.. ie raw diskaccess for sansa/ipodpatcher |
| 22:08:12 | Buschel | preglow/soap: one thing came my mind for nano -> we know that some of the enable bits are used for LCD. why not trying to only switch them on for LCD driver init and transfer and switch them off afterwards (like enable bits for USB)? |
| 22:08:27 | obo | Domonoky_: bootloader install worked okay |
| 22:08:30 | Domonoky_ | i shall then commit the manifest for rbutil, and maybe in the same run also for sansapatcher and e200rpatcher ? (only ipodpatcher has one now)... :-) |
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| 22:08:48 | Buschel | soap: same for e200 |
| 22:08:51 | obo | Domonoky_: on an ipod... I have a sansa as well if that needs testing |
| 22:09:09 | Domonoky_ | no need, rbutil uses its own manifest.. |
| 22:09:49 | Domonoky_ | but sure, testing wouldnt hurt, i a am always interested in bugreports for rbutil :-) |
| 22:10:52 | soap | Buschel, I'll test whatever you throw my way. |
| 22:10:59 | Buschel | lol |
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| 22:13:42 | preglow | Buschel: nano has no lcd driver init... |
| 22:13:48 | obo | Domonoky_: sansa bootloader was fine too |
| 22:14:05 | Domonoky_ | obo: nice, thanxs for testing.. |
| 22:14:52 | Buschel | preglow: yes, it's empty :/ maybe that's the place to put the device enables to? |
| 22:15:46 | Buschel | preglow: the DEV_INIT1 and GPO32_VAL |
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| 22:17:26 | Buschel | preglow: and enabling them before calling lcd_update_rect(...) and disabling afterwards... |
| 22:17:53 | Buschel | quite experimental though |
| 22:18:08 | preglow | i wonder what devices we're switching off... |
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| 22:18:44 | Buschel | exactly, everything lies more or less in shallow waters |
| 22:19:24 | preglow | yeah, i just hope we're not switching off stuff we're going to try using in the future |
| 22:20:03 | linuxstb | Is there much left unknown, apart from the serial port? |
| 22:20:26 | preglow | don't think so |
| 22:20:34 | preglow | but i've got a feeling those chips have more features than we know of |
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| 22:24:05 | Buschel | one also unknown bit (DEV_EN Bit 31) _must_ be switched on for startup but can be switched off later without any side effect, that's also one of the more interesting ones |
| 22:24:42 | Buschel | similar to DEV_EN3 Bit 3 |
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| 22:33:45 | obo | Buschel: e200-test-2.patch plus those changes works fine |
| 22:34:27 | Buschel | obo: fine :o) then this is the next patch-version. thanks for testing! |
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| 22:40:06 | Casainho | a question to every body: If I start making a port for RB, can I upload my code to SVN of RB? - I am new to svn technology :-) |
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| 22:41:15 | JdGordon | Casainho: once you have access you can |
| 22:41:44 | Casainho | JdGordon: what shoudl I do to have acess? |
| 22:42:51 | Buschel | ok, I gotta go to bed −− will have a look at any results / reports tomorrow morning. see you! |
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| 22:48:40 | BigBambi | Casainho: Consistently write good code until you are offered it :) |
| 22:48:56 | BigBambi | Until you do, put code on flyspray |
| 22:49:08 | Casainho | so, I must write and after show here on IRC? |
| 22:49:33 | BigBambi | Put it on flyspray and ask someone here with access to look and commit |
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| 22:50:33 | emkuf | so is there anyway to view Japanese text with RockBox? |
| 22:50:42 | BigBambi | yes |
| 22:50:55 | BigBambi | Are you using a font with japanese character support? |
| 22:51:05 | emkuf | hmm I must not be |
| 22:51:54 | emkuf | So how would I go about enabling that? |
| 22:52:18 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 22:52:30 | BigBambi | emkuf: Also rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 22:52:58 | emkuf | thank you |
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| 22:57:45 | Casainho | BigBambi: thank you. I will try t oread more about flyspary then :-) |
| 22:58:27 | BigBambi | Casainho: no worries. Flyspray is just the bug/patch/etc tracker |
| 22:59:22 | Casainho | BigBambi: okok :-) in the correct time I will use the flyspry for post my code :-) - I am excited about the idea :-) |
| 22:59:26 | markun | emkuf: this might also help http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
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| 23:09:46 | crzyboyster | rasher: Can you tell me exactly what to place in the dest tags if the translation isn't there in a lang file? |
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| 23:15:23 | crzyboyster | Can I use viewports along with the album art conditional? |
| 23:16:26 | linuxstb | crzyboyster: Not at the moment, no. |
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| 23:17:12 | crzyboyster | That's too bad, really... |
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| 23:18:38 | kugel | hmm |
| 23:18:48 | kugel | www.rockbox.org looks weird in konqueror |
| 23:18:55 | crzyboyster | I'm having another problem with my wps: I have the track title which I want at the very top of the screen and I made the code this way, but for some reason, the line appears one line down. I can give you guys the code, can you help me out? |
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| 23:25:41 | linuxstb | crzyboyster: Is that with plain SVN Rockbox, or with the viewports patch(es) ? |
| 23:26:54 | crzyboyster | viewports patched simulator... |
| 23:27:06 | crzyboyster | I should probably try on SVN, huh? |
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| 23:30:38 | crzyboyster | Just tried on SVN rockbox, still has same problems... |
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| 23:35:55 | crzyboyster | If anyone can diagnose the problem, here's the code > crzyboyster.googlepages.com/cabbie3nano.txt">http://crzyboyster.googlepages.com/cabbie3nano.txt |
| 23:37:30 | Llorean | Put the progress bar line somewhere else. |
| 23:38:29 | kugel | JdGordon: is your list patch supposed to work? |
| 23:38:51 | crzyboyster | Llorean: Made no difference. |
| 23:39:04 | Llorean | Did you put it further down, AFTER the lines that were in the wrong place? |
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| 23:41:01 | crzyboyster | Llorean: Thanks! That fixed the problem. |
| 23:41:18 | Llorean | Progressbar lines still count as a "line" whether you have the PB displaying on that line or not |
| 23:41:47 | kugel | linuxstb: have you had a chance to test JdGordon's list patch? |
| 23:44:11 | saratoga1 | is there some trick to get FF to work with filespray files a little better? |
| 23:44:22 | saratoga1 | half of them open at plain text for me, so i have to wget them |
| 23:44:36 | Llorean | Isn't it a problem with mime types? |
| 23:44:46 | kugel | seriously, I like it better when they open as text |
| 23:45:00 | kugel | I hate though, that it's not consistent |
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| 23:48:09 | saratoga1 | kugel: i dislike it when .7z files open as text |
| 23:48:18 | saratoga1 | i don't know anything about MIME so i have no idea |
| 23:48:25 | obo | saratoga1: http://www.spasche.net/mozilla/ |
| 23:48:31 | kugel | saratoga1: ah well, yea. forgot about that |
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| 23:51:37 | saratoga1 | anyone object to me commiting FS #8387? |
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| 23:52:47 | Nico_P | man, my gigabeat's HD has a big dent I hadn't noticed |
| 23:53:16 | XavierGr | bah sorry to hear that Nico, that sucks |
| 23:53:28 | saratoga1 | more reason to get the S working |
| 23:53:31 | XavierGr | Gigabeat F is a sweet target :\ |
| 23:53:36 | Nico_P | saratoga1: indeed |
| 23:53:37 | saratoga1 | i almost got one on ebay the other day |
| 23:53:37 | XavierGr | heh indeed |
| 23:53:40 | saratoga1 | they're surprisingly cheap |
| 23:53:50 | saratoga1 | 30GB went for ~80 USD |
| 23:53:51 | Nico_P | I need to get another F or a new HD |
| 23:54:02 | XavierGr | Yeah I don't understand why Gigabeats are cheap in general |
| 23:54:23 | XavierGr | Nico_P: Do you have other targets atm? |
| 23:54:33 | Nico_P | I only have an S at hand :/ |
| 23:54:40 | saratoga1 | Nico_P: can you use the S disk in the F? |
| 23:54:48 | XavierGr | saratoga1: I think I bought mine (60GB) for just 100 euros |
| 23:54:53 | Nico_P | saratoga1: no, they're not the same format |
| 23:55:02 | saratoga1 | becaus there's a lot of S players with broken screens and working disks on ebay |
| 23:55:03 | saratoga1 | ah |
| 23:55:18 | Nico_P | plus, I'm leaving in a week for a ski trip... eing able to listen to music in the coach would've been nice |
| 23:58:00 | XavierGr | Nico_P: so the F was your only target? Didn't you have an H100 too? |
| 23:58:38 | Nico_P | I used to have an H320, but I left it to my mother when I got the F (we don't live in the same city) |
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