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#rockbox log for 2008-01-20

00:00:30amiconnYeah, but usb thread != any app thread that could be accessing the disk...
00:00:58jhMikeSnot reinitializing the mutex was one important thing. I'd say a collision is unlikely but I'll go with sound threading practice anytime.
00:01:35jhMikeSbut USB thread + any app (like mpegplayer's disk thread) could race through both
00:03:14amiconnhmm...
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00:08:16amiconnHmm.
00:09:19amiconnSomeone with a nano should dump the ata identify info, and check whether it says the disk supports the power management feature set or not
00:10:19Aloneaany ideas on whats up with the text viewer? I looked through the logs and didn't see any updates pertaining to it, so I assume its still messed up a bit. will check for sure in a few minutes.
00:10:21amiconnIf it does not, this is the reason why our ata driver without the nano hack confuses the flash disk, and it means we should check that feature bit and decide whether to send sleep commands dynamically
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00:10:37hanna_hi
00:11:02hanna_can rockbox be installed with mac computers?
00:11:09amiconnThis would allow to remove the nano hack, and fix the problem for everyone who mods a target (e.g. mini) with some ata capable flash card
00:12:14hanna_i'm having trouble.
00:12:26hanna_the zip file doesn't open to anything
00:13:12hanna_anyone?
00:13:19Aloneasorry. never used a mac before.
00:13:28Bagderhanna_: use a better zip program
00:13:37hanna_like what?
00:13:45Bagderlike something that shows the actual contents
00:13:55Nico_Pamiconn: would you agree to try out the bmptar patch to see if there is improvement?
00:14:01hanna_any suggestions?
00:14:13*amiconn doesn't like bmp-in-tar idea
00:14:13BagderI don't use mac, I have absolutely no idea
00:14:19hanna_is there winrar for mac?
00:14:47Bagderhanna_: you could try ask that google thing, it knows a few things
00:14:56Nico_Pamiconn: it's probably not a panacea, but I'd still like to know whether it improves loading time
00:15:06hanna_ok
00:15:11hanna_thanks
00:15:47Nico_Pthe gigabeat isn't exaclty the best benchmarking target
00:18:21Nico_Pplus, I think I broke mine... at least it's cracked open and doesn't turn on
00:18:54amiconnhmm......
00:19:39AloneaNico_P: ouch. I had a close one last week. kept getting system error 00000003
00:20:28Nico_Phah, I just got system error 00..0001
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00:22:04AloneaNico_P: ouch. not sure what the error codes are. however, if its a hard drive issue with corrupted sectors or whatever you want to call them, you might try zeroing the drive. but then if it doesn't turn on well...don't know what to tell you
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00:23:08Nico_Pthe OF bootloader's progress bar stays stuck
00:23:31Nico_PI don't know whether the HD could be damaged, the unit was off when I fell
00:23:48Nico_P(I basically fell on it while iceskating)
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00:25:27Aloneaah. I have no idea. you could try hooking it up to your compy and reformatting it, but if its internal damage, might not be fixable. at least I don't have a good enough idea of the inner workings
00:26:07Nico_Pamiconn: so, do you agree to try or should I ask someone else?
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00:26:36Nico_PI'm just asking you because you already did a few measures, it doesn't *have* to be you
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00:26:53*amiconn can't find a patch on flyspray
00:27:16AloneaNico_P: you could try this if your computer is unable to connect to usb. http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=BC5B8B48-3048-2906-EA65BE069DC676DE
00:27:56Nico_Pamiconn: it's FS #6571
00:28:02amiconnThere's also the question how to prepare a wps for the test
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00:28:25Nico_Phttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6571?getfile=15735
00:28:53amiconn...and whether the patch will work on my tree
00:29:17Nico_Pcd .rockbox/wps/iCatcher; tar cvf ../iCatcher.tar *
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00:31:48Nico_Pthe patch only touches apps/gui/wps_parser.c and apps/recorder/bmp.c
00:33:28kushal_12_27_200I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Any suggestions? Please he
00:33:29kushal_12_27_200lp.
00:36:21Nico_PAlonea: the HD seems damaged
00:37:32AloneaNico_P: permanent kind or fixable kind? ^__^
00:37:46Nico_Pmore the permanent kind :/
00:38:07Nico_PI opened the player and listened to the HD trying to boot... not a pretty noise
00:38:22amiconnouch
00:38:37Nico_Pthe back case also has a nice dent
00:38:45AloneaNico_P: I have killed a few hard drives in my time. I bet. bad noises are no good. I fried 2 hard drives. well. I blame windows actually..
00:39:15AloneaNico_P: yuck. well, at least you learn to not ice skate with an mp3 player.
00:39:22Nico_Phehe
00:39:50*Nico_P has two solutions... make the S port work *quick* or start looking for a new rockboxable target
00:40:13amiconnOr replace the hdd...
00:40:58Nico_Phow much is a typical 2 platter HD (more than 40 GB) these days?
00:41:05jhMikeSNico_P: what's holding up the S port? I thought interrupts were solved already.
00:41:28Nico_PjhMikeS: well ptw reported he had them working, but didn't commit anything
00:41:49XavierGrhe should, any news from him?
00:42:09Nico_PI mailed him about it a few days ago, but haven't gotten an answer yet
00:42:26jhMikeSI'm gonna poke at that soon myself and get familiarize myself
00:42:42Nico_P(when I said "more then 40 GB", I actually meant ">= 40 GB")
00:42:57Nico_PjhMikeS: there is example code sent by freescale if you want
00:43:15XavierGrI want to poke at the S too, but I always tend to call it off....
00:43:36XavierGrNico_P: and where can we find that code?
00:43:44jhMikeSI don't have the code. Link me up?
00:44:34AloneaNico_P: the 1.8 hdds? eh...not the cheapest things around...for a 40 eve, I would have to look it up
00:44:35Nico_PI'm not sure I can put it on the wiki page... ptw419 received it in a mail and forwarded it to me... maybe PM me your email addresses and I'll forward it to you
00:45:47kushal_12_27_200I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Any suggestions? Please he
00:45:48kushal_12_27_200lp.
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00:48:33AloneaNico_P: well, I see a 40g hdd anywhere from 50 to about 120 bucks.
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00:49:38Nico_Phmm maybe buying a player is more worth it
00:50:10amiconnNico_P: bmp in tar definitely does help...
00:50:39amiconnSo it's in fact the number of files to load that counts (unless you do loads of additional seeks, which would also be bad)
00:51:00amiconniCatcher loads in ~0.2 sec on my 2nd Gen from tar
00:51:15Nico_Pamiconn: good to hear! the reading of the tar is sequential, so no unnecessary seeks
00:51:22Nico_Pthanks for testing :)
00:51:22amiconn(and it still has to load the backdrop separately, as documented in the patch)
00:51:46Nico_Pwow 0.2s is quite a big improvement, isn't it?
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00:52:34amiconnBut I would still prefer the bmp strip method, as that doesn't require an exotic tool for theme creators (on windows, tar is an exotic thing...)
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00:53:14Slasherii think the improvement should be even more than that. Opening a file has always been a very expensive operation
00:53:21jhMikeSIf you have WinRAR, nothings exotic in Windows
00:53:24amiconnAnd the bmp strip method is in fact already used in a different place in rockbox - the icon loader
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00:53:36amiconnwinrar isn't free, even not as in free beer
00:53:37Nico_PI do like the strip method too, but having the wps rather self contained is nice too, independantly from speed improvements
00:53:55jhMikeSwell, doesn't stop me from just using it regarless of the nag :p
00:53:59amiconnIt's nasty shareware I won't install
00:54:01Nico_PjhMikeS: WinRAR doesn't handle tar creation according to wikipedia
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00:54:12*amiconn uses 7-zip
00:54:17Slasherieven iriver boots faster when it loads dircache state from disk before loading the wps images
00:55:00XavierGrI think that a tarred wps is indeed a tidy solution
00:55:43XavierGrvery good when sharing multiple WPSes
00:55:45jhMikeSmy point is really that I think most all archive formats are covered with some piece of Windows software
00:56:10*Nico_P likes 7zip too
00:56:24BigBambi7zip does tar on windows I think
00:56:38Nico_Pyeah it does...
00:56:40jhMikeStar isn't compression though, correct?
00:56:40amiconnjhMikeS: Yeah. In fact 7-zip does support tar file creation. But 'some' windows software isn't what joe user typically has installed and knows how to use
00:57:01Nico_PjhMikeS: no, tar is just file concatenating
00:57:10Nico_Pvery easy to read
00:57:28Aloneaamiconn: my dad pretty refuses to use anything but zip.
00:57:36BigBambiNico_P: is the tar an all or nothing replacement, or does it live alongside separate bmps?
00:57:39amiconnDoes the patch retain the ability to load single bmp files?
00:58:16Nico_Pamiconn: yes (it even creates duplication I don't really like)
00:58:19amiconnOtherwise it would be bad for wps development
00:58:22BigBambiIn that case, why not go for it
00:58:49BigBambiIf people are savy enough to get 7zip they make 'quicker' wps's, if not it still works
00:58:56jhMikeSNico_P: tar as a virtual file system would neaten it up.
00:58:59BigBambiAnd all the shipped ones could easily be tarred
00:59:15rasherBigBambi: it'd also be very annoying to have to tar up your wps each time you made a change
00:59:25amiconnThe tar support still means additional code
00:59:27Nico_PI'd like to add support for having the backdrop in the tar file too if possible, before I commit
00:59:52BigBambirasher: well, if you are already copying it is only one additional step
00:59:57BigBambiBut I take the point
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01:00:50XavierGramiconn: from my understanding the tar solution only need one file open, while the bmp strip method might not get away with all of them
01:00:51*amiconn would edit a wps on the target disk while developing it
01:00:51AloneaNico_P: so are you guys thinking of making the wps into tarballs? instead of zip? or have the player read the tar?
01:00:51amiconnHence, no copying of unchanged parts
01:00:51BigBambiBut, if it is optional
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01:01:17XavierGrmaybe go for both then :P
01:01:46BigBambiAlonea: Having all the images in a tar, that is read by the player
01:02:15Nico_Pit would be nice to have the whole wps as a single tar though... currently there is the .wps, the backdrop and the tar
01:02:27BigBambiAlonea: And a tar is essentially just sticking the files together, so is much easier to do anything with than zip. The advantage is you only have to open one file
01:02:35AloneaBigBambi: ah, ok. so no need for the user to unarchive it? cause that would throw a lot of people for a loop
01:02:51BigBambiAlonea: no
01:02:56amiconnMy cons against tar are (1) additional code, (2) extra step for packaging wps with an unfamiliar tool (at least for windows users)
01:03:07AloneaBigBambi: good. tar is your friend anyways.
01:03:09amiconnThe bmp strip code is already partially there
01:03:55XavierGramiconn: I am sure that (2) can't be solve with guidelines in the wiki. IMHO a user will need help from the wiki to build a wps, so why not instruct them how to use tar?
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01:04:09BigBambiI don't think simple instructions along the lines of download 7zip, then add to tar are too complicated next to writing the wps syntax
01:04:10XavierGrcan't be solve = can be solved
01:04:36amiconnIt's not an easy decision, as there are some more bmp related problems/shortcomings which cropped up lately
01:05:02BigBambiwhich ones?
01:05:23jhMikeSNico_P: I'm just thinking a tiny layer that has awareness of the source being a directory tree or tarball, and some read, open, close, seek functions act the same no matter the source. Why can't a rockbox tool be provided to make tar files?
01:05:33Nico_Pamiconn: I don't see why we couldn't go with both. they're not incompatible
01:05:34rasheramiconn: regarding (2), these are theme authors. Don't we expect them to have a slight clue? I'd agree with you if 7zip was required for installing rockbox.
01:05:46mhydronicdoes updating my ipod firmware affect rockbox at all?
01:05:49amiconnUsing a single bitmap several times; how to handle bitmaps in conjuction with viewports etc
01:06:18amiconnNico_P: binsize.
01:06:34BigBambimhydronic: You will need to reinstall the bootloader
01:07:16XavierGrNico_P: is the tar patch so big in the bin size aspect?
01:08:05*amiconn will check
01:08:09Nico_PjhMikeS: yeah, the layer thing is a nice idea (the tool too). The main problem I actually have with loading the backdrop from a tar is the need to adapt the existing code
01:08:42Nico_PXavierGr: I don't know... I'll let amiconn give the figure :)
01:08:52mhydronicbigbambi: thanks
01:08:57amiconnXavierGr: +648 bytes on 2nd Gen
01:09:34*amiconn checks recorder.. will take a few mins
01:09:36jhMikeSNico_P: What I had in mind would just be a matter of direct file api replacement I think.
01:10:11Aloneaoh! I wanted to ask why is it when you set a bmp as a backdrop when the next time you start your player your backdrop is back to default? (i think the wps theme sets it??)
01:10:20amiconnjhMikeS: That virtual file system actually sounds like a bad idea
01:10:32Nico_PjhMikeS: something like "/dir/tarfile.tar:subfile" ?
01:10:49amiconnIt would reintroduce the load delays through the backdoor
01:10:56Nico_Pit would discourage reading the tar files in order too
01:11:13amiconn...because it would replace the many on-disk seeks with many in-tarfile seeks
01:11:33amiconnThe whole point is to avoid excessive seeking
01:11:55jhMikeSdepends on the construction I think
01:12:05amiconnIt does not
01:12:46Aloneamy dad was complaining about it to me and I was wondering how to fix it. I assume the only way at this point would be to change it in the wps, but why have an option to set a bmp as a backdrop if your system isn't going to remember?
01:12:47jhMikeScan't see where any delay or excessive seeking would be introduced
01:12:48amiconnAs soon as you abstract the 2 layers, the upper layer no longer knows about the order of files within the tar
01:13:08amiconnAnd tar files are meant to be read sequentially
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01:13:49Nico_PAlonea: the backdrop needs to be in .rockbox/backdrops
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01:14:20AloneaNico_P: ok. so put the bmp in there and it will stay as the backdrop?
01:14:30Nico_Pyes
01:14:48jhMikeSwe know the tar is "in order" and I don't believe anything is aware of the order of files on the harddrive either
01:14:52AloneaNico_P: ok, thanks. should make dad happy at least.
01:15:36amiconnjhMikeS: No, but the wps code doesn't know about the order of files in the tar
01:16:04amiconnIf it would just use it like a file system, that is
01:16:22jhMikeSnor on disk though
01:16:37amiconnNo, but then you save nothing
01:16:56amiconnThe current bmptar patch always loads sequentially
01:17:11amiconnThat's where the savings come from
01:17:24amiconnNico_P: Current patch doesn't compile for mono bitmap targets
01:17:47Nico_Pah, I'll fix that
01:18:25amiconnundefined reference to `_load_backdrop_bitmap'
01:18:45amiconnMono doesn't support backdrops
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01:20:20AloneaNico_P: looks like I spoke too soon. Getting system error again. guess its time to look at players again...
01:20:51jhMikeSexactly what savings are being sought? a file enumeration function would return the files in order anyway.
01:21:02amiconnwps load speed
01:21:42amiconnThe bmptar patch reduces e.g. iCatcher load time from ~3 secs to ~0.2 secs on my 2nd Gen
01:22:06Aloneahow are those gigabeat X's?
01:22:25Nico_PAlonea: quite nice, but hard to find
01:22:44AloneaNico_P: hmm.
01:23:07amiconnI measured boot time difference (with start mode set to resume, from apple logo appearing to music playing) between the builtin rockbox_default and iCatcher
01:23:41amiconnI also measured several other svn wps'es yesterday
01:26:56Aloneahave any recommended players that are rockbox compatible? should I just go ahead and get another gigabeat F?
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01:29:19jhMikeSamiconn: hmm, that's pretty steep
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01:30:18amiconnYes, it actually makes graphical wps'es usable for me
01:32:13amiconnAll bmp-rich wps'es take around 3 secs here (Rockboxed, DancePuffDuo, iCatcher, unicatcher). The only bmp wps'es which load faster are marquee (2 bmps, 0.5 s) and zezayer (1 bmp, 0.2 s)
01:34:58jhMikeSI have my doubts a layer would slow down to that of separate files. Perhaps I'll just whip one up and compare if I have nothing else to do.
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01:37:17Nico_PjhMikeS: depends on how it's done.
01:37:23Nico_Pwhat do you have in mind?
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01:39:36jhMikeSI'm not completely sure yet. Are tar files <filename1><filedata1><filename2><filedata2>...etc?
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01:39:49*jhMikeS just goes googling
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01:41:20Nico_Pyeah, that's pretty much it
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01:43:41jhMikeSthen in-order enum and read could be preserved as well as allowing random access if needed. that layout is better than all metadata being in one bulk header at the start.
01:45:55bignosejhMikeS: <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format)>
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01:54:01Aloneaactually where is a place to get any toshiba player? I can't find any but the U series
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02:02:06Nico_PAlonea: ebay
02:02:49AloneaNico_P: ah. no longer sold anywhere then? I guess I could try ebay...
02:03:02Nico_Pno, you can't find new ones anymore
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02:03:12Nico_Pat least not in regular retailers
02:03:22AloneaNico_P: and I refuse to get an ipod on principle
02:07:43bignoseAlonea: what principle is that?
02:07:54bignoseAlonea: (I can think of several, that's why I ask for clarification)
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02:09:28Aloneabignose: mostly the principle that I must buy said player to fit in, be cool, it is the "only" player, its made by apple, overpriced, and I feel the urge to rip out people's white earphones at work.
02:10:14soapI was unaware there was another 1.8" HD based player which was cheaper per GB.
02:10:38bignoseAlonea: ah. mine was a hand-me-down from a mac fetishist :-)
02:11:45Aloneabignose: ah. I mean, I do like the looks of some of the mac computers, but I don't think its worth the money and I have no use for a mac OS
02:11:58soapBack to Rockbox...
02:11:59bignoseAlonea: same. I immediately put free software on them.
02:12:22soapThere is no player you can buy new which supports Rockbox at the moment, unless you can find Sansa E200 v1s
02:13:11bignoseand never buy them. there are enough people in my circle churning through Apple hardware that I can get two-generations-late hardware essentially free.
02:13:13Aloneaanyway, attempting to get a new gigabeat. I really like them and so far there isn't a "new" mp3 player I like. my cell phone pretty much does all the other stuff people want on their mp3 players.
02:13:29soapbignose, let's keep the topic on Rockbox.
02:13:48bignosesoap: okay.
02:14:37bignoseI'm having trouble getting firmware onto my iPod Mini. I'm following <URL:http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_Itunes> but having no joy.
02:14:57bignosea session here on IRC gave me more options, but didn't get me much closer.
02:15:19bignoseshould I spend time on rockbox support avenues, or ipodlinux ones?
02:15:25soapYou need to talk to the ipodlinux folks about their procedure (assuming it is different than ours)
02:15:31BigBambiYou will only get rockbox support here
02:15:57soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
02:16:20bignosesoap: "different"? I wasn't aware there was a Rockbox-specific method for getting Apple formware onto an iPod.
02:16:24bignosesoap: okay, thanks.
02:17:03bignoseyes, I was following that one.
02:17:20bignosemy main problem is confusing differences between 'fdisk' and 'pmac-fdisk'
02:17:45bignose<URL:http://pastebin.ca/859734>
02:17:53bignoseso I don't know which tool to use.
02:18:33bignosewell, that's a *symptom*. the main *problem* is I've never had any firmware that I put onto the machine actually boot.
02:19:04bignoseipodpatcher recognised it once, when it had original Apple firmware; after that, it just says "No ipods found"
02:19:12soapthe <URL: > crap around the links make XChat unwilling to follow links.
02:19:34bignosewell, that's an unfortunate bug in XChat.
02:19:48bignosethat's a standard way of delimiting URLs from surrounding text.
02:19:55rasherIs there any reason for it? It's not like we can't tell they're urls
02:20:08soapI'd like to see that standard
02:20:31BigBambibignose: Given it is unnecessary and upsets xchat, could you just leave them off?
02:21:05karashatalast I checked, most IRC clients will automatically determine URLs from surrounding text, and allow them to be clicked and loaded by the browser
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02:21:13BigBambiexactly
02:21:14karashataat least, most good IRC clients
02:21:17bignosesoap: or shall we keep the discussion on Rockbox? :-)
02:21:31soap<URL:http://pastebin.ca/859734>
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02:22:15bignosesoap: that's the one.
02:22:42soapSo you've never had the Apple firmware boot for you?
02:24:06bignosekarashata: indeed, and most good IRC clients recognise the standard <URL:foo> notation.
02:24:16bignosesoap: it booted, until I tried replacing it.
02:24:37soapok - so has it booted since then. Have you ever successfully restored it?
02:24:58soapThe is no point trying to install Rockbox or IpodLinux again until you get Apple firmware booting properly.
02:24:59bignosesoap: only by giving it to someone who has iTunes. none of the "restore without iTunes" methods have worked for me.
02:25:34bignoseI don't have ready access to any machine with iTunes, so I'm stuck until I can get this original firmware booting again.
02:25:55soapNo offense, but it would be a hardware failure of the most particular kind to lead to such an issue - the only other likely alternative is operator error.
02:26:40bignosesoap: yes, I'm quite willing to believe it's operator error.
02:27:02bignoseall that remains is finding what that error is. AFAICT, I've been following instructions properly.
02:27:33soapYou are sure of the generation of the Mini?
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02:27:49soapThat is something you could easily mistake while iTunes could not.
02:28:06bignosesoap: marked with "6 GB" on the back. I'm led to believe that means it's a 2nd Gen.
02:28:25soapDid you buy this new?
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02:28:49soapDoes iTunes identify it as a 6GB second gen? There used to be a lot of frankenminis on eBay.
02:29:54soapI'm honestly not sure how much of an issue that is - I assume it is a large one - but without watching you follow the instructions there is little else I can offer you outside saying "I have yet to see the process not work."
02:30:05bignosefor those interested (and not to continue discussion of this), the relevant RFC for URLs in context is RFC 1738; specifically, the appendix "Recommendations for URLs in Context".
02:30:22BigBambibignose: Regardless,c ould you just not please?
02:30:29bignosesoap: I've never seen it on iTunes, I don't know what it shows.
02:31:12bignoseBigBambi: no.
02:31:20BigBambiand why not?
02:31:25BigBambias a matter of courtesy
02:31:45bignoseokay. this is rather off-topic, is everyone okay with continuing this discussion?
02:32:11BigBambiforget it. If you insist on being difficult
02:32:42bignoseBigBambi: in short: for the same reason I generate standard HTML pages, instead of making concessions to buggy clients.
02:33:27BigBambiThat RFC you link to is not relevant here anyway
02:33:37BigBambiBut forget it
02:34:05bignosesoap: so, if I were to generate a session log of me following the instructions, where would be a proper place to ask for help with that?
02:34:21soaphere - paste it to pastebin
02:34:27bignosesoap: okay, thanks
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02:34:47soapmore likely to get help if the Europeans are all awake.
02:34:59bignoseah, the Europeans :-)
02:35:09*bignose loves 'em
02:35:40rasherIf I generate a file max_language_size.h in $(BUILDDIR)/ at buildtime, how can I include that from within apps/language.h?
02:36:04soapWell, considering most here are from Europe or the Americas, there is no reason to ask stumpers when one of the two continents is in the dark, Let it be dark over Asia and light over Europe/Americas if you want to play the odds.
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02:39:04bignosesoap: answer to an earlier question I missed: no, it's a freebie given to me by someoen who upgraded.
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02:43:51AukenCan rockbox be used to play video on an ipod Photo 20GB?
02:44:40BigBambiAuken: yes
02:45:00AukenAwesome
02:45:05BigBambiAuken: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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02:45:38AukenI got ZeroSlakr installed with the ipl loader but for some reason, it won't let me use the clickwheel outside of AppleOS
02:45:52BigBambiThat is all unsupported here
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02:46:53AukenOh, is there an IRC for that one then? ~Currently looking at Rockbox installation~
02:47:10BigBambiI don't know
02:47:35BigBambiTo get support with rockbox you need to use the rockbox bootloader with an up to date rockbox build
02:47:50AukenIs there an installer?
02:47:56BigBambiYes, check the manual
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02:51:42kushal_12_27_200I own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Please help.
02:52:40AukenRockbox Utility keeps giving me HTTP errors...
02:53:15BigBambiWhat operating system?
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02:56:26AukenMe? WinXP
02:56:40BigBambiand do you have administrator rights?
02:57:01Aloneaoh wow...it revived itself...still getting a new one though
02:57:15AukenYeah.
02:57:21BigBambihmmm
02:57:36AukenIt's my handbuilt PC, I sure HOPE I have rights :-p
02:57:38BigBambiPerhaps just try the manual way, it is pretty straightforward
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02:59:09Auken...hrm, first I should use itunes to reformat, start with a clean slate.
02:59:29BigBambiprobably a good idea
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03:00:42AukenNice, Rockbox does 16:9 videos at 25FPS? That's brilliant for PAL format stuff, I can enjoy Doctor Who
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03:03:17AukenMostly I'm just wanting to save Youtube stuff...Ree Vs. Blue, Yugioh the Abridged Series, that sort of thing
03:09:21AukenThere we go
03:09:35AukenApparently, older versions of rockbox utility don't like me
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03:14:41AukenOkay...Now I've got Rockbox installed and... controls don't work
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03:15:09scorchedefine "doesnt work"
03:15:37AukenThat's just it, no clickwheel input
03:15:40Aukennothing
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03:16:07scorcheis the hold switch on?
03:16:31AukenNo
03:17:19scorchewhat screen are you looking at?
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03:17:35Aukenthe main menu screen
03:18:10scorchehold menu + select
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03:19:05Aukenyeah, it reset, still nothing.
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03:20:09AukenFor some reaons I had this same exact problem with another program caleld ipl loader. It's like the ONLY thing that'll use the clickwheel is Apple OS
03:20:27scorcheand the apple OS works fine?
03:20:39AukenYeah
03:21:02scorchethat is extremely odd..
03:23:19Aukenokay I just used Rockbox Utility to uninstall rockbox
03:23:23AukenIf I reset my ipod
03:23:29AukenIt should go to Apple OS?
03:24:39*Auken uses the itunes Restore utility anyways just in case
03:27:05AukenOkay I'm back into factory AppleOS
03:27:51AukenSo, what would cause my clickwheel troubles, any idea?
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03:31:13Auken4G ipod Photo 20GB by the way
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03:44:46magenpiesansa c250, debian os: loaded 18 mp3s, settings>database,update now...after 15 min tracks don't show
03:46:30PaulPositionmagenpie - Once the database has finished updating/initializing, you need to restart the device..
03:47:16*PaulPosition doesn't really understand why it is so, btw, hence no use asking.. :p
03:49:35magenpieah...ok...let me try
03:50:19magenpievery nice, thank you
03:50:33rashermemory for the database is allocated at boot time
03:50:57magenpiei see
03:51:02PaulPositionAh, so that none is allocated if one uses the file browser and doesn't initialize db... makes sense.
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04:46:05webguest95testing
04:46:14webguest95anyone here at rockbox IRC?
04:46:34Aloneayes
04:46:40webguest95wow
04:46:53webguest95finally I've gotten onto IRC and found real live people
04:46:53Aloneahave a question dear?
04:47:08webguest95not particularly, just learning the ropes
04:47:22webguest95waiting for a full featured sansa port with full USB support I guess
04:47:33webguest95maybe find a mentor to learn how to code
04:47:53Aloneaah ok. sansa? did you end up with a V2 instead of v1?
04:48:11AukenHrm
04:48:27AukenIt doesn't make any sense, and I can't find anyone else anywhere who has my problem...
04:48:53webguest95no don't have a sansa yet, but once there's full USB support I'm going to go get one.
04:49:01webguest95or maybe rockbox on a 2nd gen Zune
04:49:23psycho_maniacwont see that one for awhile, zune.
04:49:25webguest95I don't think that port has begun yet
04:49:40Aloneawhat do you mean by full usb? I mean, it charges with usb, and you can transfer files. you can also listen and charge. what else would you need?
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04:50:17webguest95isn't there some other player that would be hardware equivalent to a zune? most players come from a handful of ODM & reference designs anway I suspect
04:50:49AukenI love that I can use my ipod to transfer large files
04:51:25scorchewebguest95: define "hardware equivalernt"
04:51:48scorchethere are many metrics one can use..
04:52:53soapI think he means identical, not fraternal, twin.
04:52:58soapSuch as the gigabeat S.
04:53:15AukenAre there any online communities for ipod Hacking?
04:55:38webguest95http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port
04:55:59webguest95When you look down at the checklist it seems to imply that USB port does not work with Rockbox on Sansa yet
04:56:54Auken;-;
04:57:41webguest95is there the option to treat the memory/hard drive in the sansa like an external storage device with the rockbox firmware?
04:58:40Aloneawebguest95: dunno about that, but I got my dad a sansa e280 for christmas and its all good. I mean, the usb doesn't work directly in rockbox for transfer like it does for the gigabeat (I assume others as well). Essentially it loads the OF to transfer files. You can have the usb in while in RB, but you will only be able to charge.
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04:59:19psycho_maniacyes. to get it to connect to the computer you have to load the OF and you can copy your files. disconnect and it will boot into rockbox.
04:59:33webguest95ok,
04:59:44webguest95that's what I was referring to by full USB support
04:59:46webguest95earlier
04:59:47Aloneaand to load the OF, you just plug in USB when the player is off and it will automatically load the OF
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05:00:04Aloneaand then when the player restarts, you are back in rockbox
05:00:18webguest95do I have to copy files manually or is there a syncing type functionality?
05:00:25psycho_maniacAlonea: can you still not plug it in while your in rockbox?
05:00:31psycho_maniacyou have to do it manually.
05:00:43webguest95what do you guys use on the desktop computer to give an iTunes like functionality
05:00:57psycho_maniacthe database thats built in rockbox
05:01:10Aloneapsycho_maniac: you can plug in your USB while in RB, but your PC wont be able to read it correctly. So like I said, it just charges.
05:01:47Aloneawebguest95: iTunes? *shudder* but if you want to find stuff like by artist, album, etc. there is the database feature on the player
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05:03:04Aloneawebguest95: but my preference is to organize everything in folders (like you would on a computer).
05:03:35psycho_maniaci like the same preference as Alonea
05:04:01webguest95I understand the rockbox firmware can let me browse by these different criteria, I'm talking about keeping a desktop application to keep the music sync-ed up between the portable player and the desktop PC
05:04:03Aloneaits actually why I like my old Archos player
05:04:43webguest95why do you prefer a folder/directory structure?
05:04:44Aloneawebguest95: no. rockbox does not create software for Windows, Mac, or Linux. Only Mp3 players
05:05:13psycho_maniacI think there are some as i tried some once. Search for "The Godfather". I think thats what it was called and NO not the movie.
05:05:15webguest95I understand that rockbox does not create software for the desktop and it is strictly a replacement firmware
05:05:50webguest95but client software is used to connect to the rockbox player
05:06:01webguest95right?
05:06:09Aloneawebguest95: its easier for me. I mean, I have my normal folders that are named by artist and then album, but then I have folders with a "mix". I guess you could do the same with a playlist, but I prefer folder
05:06:11psycho_maniacno
05:06:12Aloneawebguest95: no.
05:06:30PaulPositionMost people just drag and drop files to the directory structure they like.. But I suppose any file syncing tool would do, never tested.
05:06:30Aloneawebguest95: think of your player as an external hard drive.
05:07:08Aloneawebguest95: and under most systems (would be bad for me to assume all) it shows up as an external hard drive
05:07:16psycho_maniacMine i have 2 folders Downloaded and Cd's wish has Artist/Album folders
05:08:34PaulPositionIn contrast, the iTunes way is to copy the files, rename them to some obfuscated random code, cram them all in the same place and build a database because else you couldn't play them..
05:08:36AloneaI got tons. I got folders with my books, folders with my gameboy games, picture folders, and then the basic artist album folders, and then special folders with my latest music I got, and then music from anime's, games, tvt/movies, etc.
05:08:46webguest95Alonea: thanks for the clarification. most people treat it as an external drive and drag-&-drop files
05:08:59Aloneawebguest95: correct.
05:09:17Aloneawebguest95: I even use it sometimes to save files from school.
05:09:21webguest95Is there a desktop application that will give me iTunes type look & feel & usability?
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05:11:46psycho_maniacYeah I have the same as you Alonea. I just dont browse those folders often. When i get a lot of new songs i create a "Newest" folder also and I have a Videos folder.
05:12:01Aloneapsycho_maniac: ah yes. my videos folder..forgot about it!
05:12:13Aloneawebguest95: ummm. dunno. never seen iTunes before.
05:13:13psycho_maniacThe only reason why i got the 80gig 5.5gen ipod is because of rockbox. I hate iTunes.
05:13:22PaulPositionDoesn't syncing with itunes become dangerous anyway? Like you erase something from the player, maybe by error, and it erases it from your computer too when syncing.. (i dunno, never used that..)
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05:15:32psycho_maniacalso you can only have one library. like you cannot get songs from your cousins computer that he recently got because if you do you lose your library (over 5k songs lets say) just to get 30 other songs
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05:18:26Aloneathe one time I tried to sync something (it was with my cell) I lost all my contacts.
05:18:36Aloneavery wary of it...
05:21:27webguest95Alonea: understandably
05:22:25Aloneawebguest95: you might be able to use something like yahoo's player or maybe even WMP to do it. dunno how those work though
05:25:55webguest95Does rockbox have the ability to show the album cover like on the ipod?
05:26:53PaulPositionIt does, but it doesn't extract it from the id3 tags. You need to put a .bmp file in each folder (cover.bmp) ..
05:27:01psycho_maniacyes if you get the correct size album art. See the AlbumArt wiki page.
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05:35:51webguest95so I have to go searching for each .bmp and make sure it's in the right directory?
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05:43:07psycho_maniacwebguest95: I would suggest to look at the AlbumArt wiki page. That should answser all your questions.
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05:55:36bignosesoap: it's now working on my iPod mini.
05:56:02bignoseI believe the issue as of yesterday was a bad MBR image for this model on the Rockbox site
05:56:19bignoseperhaps someone from this channel fixed that after I brought it to their attention?
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05:57:23bignosealternatively, it could be that yesterday I kept getting it wrong through a dozen attempts, but today got it right first time. unlikely.
05:57:56bignoseregardless: tanks to all in #rockbox for helping me get it working!
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06:07:30simonrvno_O
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06:10:35Aukengrrr
06:10:39AukenSeveral installations
06:10:42Aukenreinstallations
06:10:55AukenRockbox doesn't let me use the clickwheel
06:11:01Aukennothing but AppleOS does
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06:11:21AukeniPod 4G 20 gigabytes, what could be wrong here?
06:12:20preglowd
06:12:41scorcheplease use longer lines instead of the enter key so much....but i really cant tell you...it is possible that the build could be buggered, but i havent heard any past reports of that....try an older build?
06:12:59preglowtalking to me? :D
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06:13:11scorcheno... Auken
06:13:27preglowok, i'm stuggling though, so do ignore me
06:13:28keanuquestion - I have a copy of the freestate theme (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8639) and while I know there's quite a few people who want it, Saphrano hasn't been on the Rockbox forums since Sept. would i be able to distribute it, or do I have to wait until he gets back on (if ever)?
06:13:57scorchepreglow: i can mute you, if you wish :)
06:14:48scorchekeanu: unless he has licensed it or given other permission, you cant distribute
06:16:02keanuscorche, that's kinda what I figured =/ on the last page, he did talk about uploading "the source of WPS for modders" but I'm guessing that until he officially licenses it, I can't distribute
06:16:16scorcheyes...that is not permission
06:16:24keanui know
06:16:58preglowscorche: dont think i'll be contrinbuting much, so plase do :V
06:17:25scorchepreglow: if you want, you can join -community =>
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12:08:23Buschelwow, did you see the nano's battery bench with FS #8379 pre-v13 and mpc? -> 11h :o)
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12:17:25*Bagder cheers
12:17:59Buschelstel: did you see my response and questions to your results?
12:19:43stelBuschel: yes, 0xc4004124 worked :)
12:20:10Buschelstel: fine :o) and did you use video or nano settings basically?
12:20:26stelvideo
12:20:42stelI've set DEV_INIT1 to 54000000
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12:21:30Buschelwhy? which bits are necessary for which function?
12:23:13stelBuschel: I'm just playing, thats the first value I could find that worked.
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12:23:55Buschelah, ok. i am asking as i want to document this stuff at least in the PP-register page
12:24:47Buschelit's an e280, right?
12:24:58stelyepp
12:26:07*Buschel is going to feed his 5month baby, hopefully it's not becoming a mess ;o)
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12:26:48Bagderthat sounds like wishful thinking... :-)
12:27:45scorcheBagder: think you could put a link to the IrcGuidelines page and little note on the CGI:IRC login screen?
12:28:23Bagdera good idea
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12:31:24stelBuschel: When you return, 54000000 is what's displayed in i/o ports if I don't set DEV_INIT1 manually.
12:31:25Bagder... but I can see how, without patching the perl script itself...
12:31:28Bagdercan't
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12:32:27scorcheBagder: for when you return: http://cvs.cgiirc.org/cgiirc/wiki?p=CustomLoginForm
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14:06:44DarksairHi all. Is the album art feature a patch or a build-in one?
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14:08:03roolkuDarksair: build-in
14:09:00DarksairThen why I cannot use WPSs with this feature? It just shows the defaulf wps
14:09:23DarksairMine is a iPod video
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14:11:08roolkuDarksair: hard to say without looking at the wps in question - I suspect it contains other unsupported tags
14:12:11bluebrotheryou could try checking the output of the sim
14:12:22DarksairThe same...
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14:13:12DarksairI'll make a wps with only album art on it and try
14:13:13bluebrotheralready tried the −−debugwps switch of the sim?
14:13:37DarksairDon't know that option... I'll try that
14:13:43DarksairThanks guys~~
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14:14:37Kushal_oneI own a Sandisk Sansa c250 and I accidentally deleted the whole directory structure in the 2 GB player. Now it will not start. did I brick it? is there a way for me to bring it back to use? I have tried recovery mode and diag mode but there is no screen display and the computer (macbook, tiger) does not show that the deivce is connected. The only thing that I can see is the blue backlight behind the navigation buttons. Please help.
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14:15:48bluebrotherKushal_one: check the wiki. There is a SansaE200Unbrick page (or called similarly, not exactly sure)
14:16:40Kushal_oneI did, and I tried both recovery mode and diag mode. did not work for me .
14:18:05Kushal_oneIs the 2GB all the memory on the mp3 player? does it not have some special protected place for system files?
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14:19:58bluebrothersorry, can't help you further with that −− I don't have that much detailed knowledge of the c200
14:21:46*Domonoky_ thinks the recovery mode should always work.. Kushal_one: see this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port
14:22:26Tuplanollaat least on my sansa e280 there is another partition for system files
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14:22:37bluebrotherDomonoky_: I just had an idea about rbutil on Vista ... maybe calling the binary "install.exe" helps with the UAC issues?
14:23:19ender`what's the problem on vista?
14:24:02Domonoky_UAC on vista prevents rbutil from working. especially the patchers, as they need direct disk access ..
14:24:29Domonoky_bluebrother: do you really think another filename would help ? is vista this silly ?
14:24:57bluebrotherthere is an issue (read: special handling) for install.exe and similar.
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14:24:59Domonoky_the other problem with vista is, that no rbutil dev has it to test..
14:25:26bluebrotherI read about this on the cygwin ml ... they had issues with the tool "install" and vista tried to elevate it
14:25:37Domonoky_so we need to find someone with vista to test this :-)
14:26:30bluebrotherI just read that this handling seems to be a compatibility thingy ...
14:26:59Domonoky_hehe, would be a nice backdoor, someone has to try it.. :-)
14:28:35bluebrotherDomonoky_: http://jamespo.org.uk/wp/archives/189
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14:30:10Domonoky_according to this we could even name it: rbutil-install-vista-hack.exe :-)
14:31:12bluebrotheryep. Or rename rbutil to rbutil-install.exe :)
14:36:23Domonoky_now, we only need someone, to confirm that this is enough to run rbutil cleanly on vista, and i will rename :-)
14:37:36bluebrothermaybe it's sufficient to have a vista-compatibility-app that simply is called vista-install.exe and calls the real rbutil
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14:49:32bluebrothercan rockbox still use mp3 voice files on swcodec?
14:50:22DarksairWhat does %m means in a wps?
14:50:49DarksairI failed to find it in the manual
14:51:12Domonoky_bluebrother: only on archos.. swcodec now needs rbspeex voices
14:51:13pixelmaDarksair: the CustomWPS page in the wiki is more up to date
14:51:24soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
14:51:30Domonoky_bluebrother: but rbutil can generate them.. :-)
14:51:34bluebrotherDomonoky_: then maybe rbutil should tell the user this
14:51:37DarksairAh... Thanks!
14:52:17Domonoky_rbutil could automatically select the encoder, depending on the detected device..
14:52:51bluebrotheryep, and it could display a warning if the user selects an encoder that won't work on the player
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14:52:59Domonoky_yup...
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14:53:11bluebrotherit doesn't make sense to create an mp3 voice file from svn for e.g. an ipod ...
14:53:48Domonoky_or just make it an automatic selection based on the device, with no user control..
14:53:53ender`<Domonoky_> UAC on vista prevents rbutil from working. especially the patchers, as they need direct disk access .. <- add a manifest with requestedExecutionLevel administrator: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb756929.aspx
14:55:48Domonoky_hm, i am not familiar with those manifests.. is it possible to create such thing without visual studio ? :-)
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14:56:07bluebrotherthe patchers already include a manifest file.
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14:56:54bluebrotherbut iirc there was a difference between cli and gui apps regarding the manifest
14:56:57ender`Domonoky_: yes, it's just an XML file that's embedded in a resource
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14:57:01bluebrotherhaven't checked extensively though
14:57:22Domonoky_yes, rbutil uses code of the patchers so it would need its own manifest..
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14:57:41Domonoky_i will try to make one for rbutil
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14:58:44*bluebrother will read that page later
14:59:19bluebrotherDomonoky_: do you have access to a vista box for testing?
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15:00:25Domonoky_nope.. do you have access to one ?
15:00:48Domonoky_but if it works for our patchers, it also should work for rbutil
15:01:28bluebrotherI have a legal copy of vista I could set up in a virtual machine. Unfortunately the CD isn't at my place
15:01:45bluebrotherbut I guess I'll have to setup a test machine at some time anyway
15:01:55pixelmaroolku: nice commit :)
15:02:16*Domonoky_ only has a recovery disk of vista, and i dont want to ruin my laptop again.. :-)
15:04:07Domonoky_also only ipodpatcher has a manifest, for sansapatcher and e200rpatcher its also missing..
15:04:09roolkupixelma: thanks. :) There don't seem to be many users (never mind developers) with that player. I hope it is worth the effort
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15:06:03*Domonoky_ has now mad a manifest, but i dont know if i should commit it without testing..
15:06:44pixelmaa mad manifest? ;)
15:06:57Domonoky_:-) damn typos..
15:08:21bluebrotherthose manifest thing is mad anyway ;-)
15:09:04bluebrotherDomonoky_: maybe create a prerelease build with the manifest and ask people in the forums to try it?
15:10:54bluebrotheranyway, I'm out for today. Those bastards are still keeping me on hold for getting an affordable internet connection.
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15:11:56Kushal_oneDomonky, I tried it on a macbook and it did not work. Do you think recovery mode would work on a Windows XP or Windows Vista Machine if it did not work on a Mac OS X Tiger? I don't own a windows machine anymore but my friends do
15:12:52Domonoky_Kushal_one: i dont know, i dont own a sansa
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17:30:24soapBuschel, I can confirm the recent FS notice that the E200 patch does not appear to be working.
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18:08:09Buschelsoap: hmm, do you have time for little debugging session?
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18:15:18pixelmaBigBambi: pitily the manual has its week points (partly not up to date, wording not up to date etc.), any help appreciated ;)
18:15:32BigBambiYeah, I know
18:15:52BigBambiEvery now and then I start to look at rearranging and swiftly give up again :)
18:16:06BigBambiOne day...
18:16:07pixelmaeh.. "wording could be better", I meant
18:16:26BigBambiYes, it certainly could
18:16:37BigBambiThere are many places to fiddle with
18:16:51pixelmathere weren't many native speakers working on it lately
18:16:58BigBambiMaybe I shall gather my resolve and plunge once more unto the breech!
18:17:14pixelmago, go, go! :)
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18:19:14BigBambiheh :)
18:19:41BigBambiDo you have any particular areas in mind? Or do we have a page about it?
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18:25:59pixelmahmm... I'm not aware of a page for it. Three parts coming to my mind which is - text viewer (it's very short and out of date, doesn't mention the internal menu and how to get there, wrong info about saving its settings etc.)...
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18:27:17Casainhohello Rockbox people
18:27:28pixelma...the radio chapter (I don't like the style of the howtos at the end, all starting with "press x to go to the menu..." but not giving an overview)
18:27:51Casainhocan anyone help me and tell If I will have to have a bootloader for the Rockbox Player?
18:28:28CasainhoI don't understand If a bootloader is needed in devices that have an original firmware...
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18:28:37pixelmaBigBambi: the installation chapter... yes that's what I had in mind too (and already started working on) - there are also other things missing like v2 Sansas etc...
18:28:54*Buschel summons stel
18:28:58BigBambipixelma: OK, well I'll leave that if you are doing it - perhaps I will look at radio
18:29:39pixelmaBigBambi: sounds like a plan :)
18:29:54BigBambirighto :)
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18:30:20PaulPositionCasainho - Did you have a look at the manual for the device you want rockboxed ? (hint : ALL devices have an Original Firmware, else they wouldn't do anything)
18:30:24BigBambiCasainho: Do you mean where rockbox will be the OF, or where they can dual boot?
18:30:33BigBambiPaulPosition: He is designing a device
18:30:40PaulPositionOh. :p
18:30:51PaulPositionnevermind. :D
18:31:25Casainhowell rockbox player is being made from scratch, is our hardware - thats why I don't know If we will need of a bootloader or not...
18:32:46BigBambiI don't have much experience, but I would say yes
18:32:56BigBambi1) For safety
18:33:28Domonoky_Casainho: a bootloader would be good, for safety and easy upgrading..
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18:33:52BigBambiYou can experiment with new firmwares without having to muck about too much if it doesn't work, just use bootloader usb to put a new firmware on
18:34:18BigBambipixelma: The radio is section is tiny at the moment
18:34:28soapBuschel, I'm here now if you want to try something
18:34:30Casainhooh, so It means that I must work with USB? - I don't know nothing about USB....
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18:34:46BigBambiI will play with it :)
18:34:58Domonoky_Casainho: doesnt need to be USB, could also be a mmc/sd card.. :-)
18:35:08Buschelhi soap, seems like i misunderstood stel... can you make some changes in my latest e200-patch?
18:35:13soapsure can
18:35:19pixelmaBigBambi: many thanks and good luck :)
18:35:29Buschelsoap: please comment the GPO-stuff first
18:35:31BigBambicheers
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18:35:43Casainhowell, interesting the fact that the MCU that I will use have a kind of USB boot...
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18:36:31Casainhoif It will not find program in flash memory, It will try to download program by USB, but I don't know nothing at USB, specily program it on PC side...
18:37:37Domonoky_Casainho: there should be tools to interface this, to load software on this mcu/devboard
18:37:42soapBuschel, I'm going to need a bit more of a hint than that.
18:38:24Domonoky_for development this should be enough, and if it is ready we could write our own usb downloader, or another bootloader
18:38:58Buschelsoap: no prob. with system-pp502x.h, line #344 and 345. just comment those and rebuild
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18:41:41soap.h or .c?
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18:42:04Buschelsoap: ooops, .c
18:42:05CasainhoDomonoky_: "This application note describes the host Flash loader used to upload and program an
18:42:06Casainhoapplication in the Flash memory of a Flash-based AT91 microcontroller."
18:43:14Casainho"The host loader software runs under Windows. The executable file AT91Loader.exe has been
18:43:16Casainhogenerated with Microsoft® Visual Studio® 6.0." -> they give the sources of that program :-)
18:43:44Domonoky_Casainho: i am also just scanning the specs of this mcu...
18:43:54CasainhoSo, in this case I don't need the bootloader? - since I assume that this MCU already have one?
18:44:09CasainhoDomonoky_: thank you :-)
18:44:14Domonoky_the have an open tool set to upload code to it.. so you dont need a bootloader
18:45:44*Domonoky_ also has a olimex arm devboard for experiments.. but a bit slower then the planned one for rockboxPlayerV1 :-)
18:46:48soapBuschel, post changes: Flashes a full white screen (like previously), but instead of shutting down it fades back to a full white screen with a dark line running horizontal across the middle of the screen, and needs a hard reset.
18:47:31CasainhoDomonoky_: you have one Olimex dev board? what board? :-)
18:48:14Domonoky_Casainho: this one http://www.olimex.com/dev/lpc-p2148.html
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18:49:06CasainhoDomonoky_: eheh, without SDRAM and with an ARM7
18:49:16Domonoky_at the moment it controls a few rgb leds, controlled by a 3d g sensor :-)
18:49:33CasainhoI think SDRAM should be important for Rockbox :-)
18:49:45Domonoky_yes, of course..
18:50:11Domonoky_thi dev board isnt meant for rockbox.. its just an experimenation board for me..
18:50:12CasainhoDomonoky_: how do you upload code for that ARM7?
18:50:30Buschelsoap: stel just posted the exact code which worked for him. seems like he also used different DEV_RS/DEV_RS2
18:50:34Domonoky_there is a flash tool for it, over serial connection
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18:51:12soapahh, Buschel, I didn't catch that.
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18:51:27Buschelsoap: can you also comment the DEV_RS/DEV_RS2 lines (#350 −− #353)?
18:51:42CasainhoDomonoky_: hmmm, that flash tool is from Atmel? If so, It should be the same that I will use... do you use a JTAG?
18:52:16CasainhoDomonoky_: what are the tools that you use to program, debug? - and what do you think that should me necessary for porting rockbox?
18:52:42Domonoky_Casainho: no this mcu is from phillips, and so is the flash tool.. andi dont have a jtag wiggler..
18:53:38fyrestormis it possible to play .mod files on rockbox on the apple 5g or no? is there a patch or does the hardware not support it?
18:53:40soapBuschel, commenting out those four additional lines allow me to boot into rockbox.
18:53:51CasainhoDomonoky_: well, I bought a JTAG Wiggler...
18:53:56Domonoky_i program it with Winarm (thats just gcc +make+ editor in a package), and debugging with outputs over serial, at the moments the projects i have done on it are small
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18:54:40Buschelsoap: ok, then please uncomment those lines and use "DEV_RS = 0x3bfffef8;" instead of line #350
18:54:43CasainhoDomonoky_: I understand, I use at my work for 8 bits AVR, GCC + make + text editor...
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18:55:00CasainhoDomonoky_: also serial for debug :-)
18:55:08BigBambifyrestorm: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241
18:55:14fyrestormthanks :D
18:55:28fyrestormhow do i implement this?
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18:57:08CasainhoDomonoky_: So, resuming, I think now that there should be no need to write a bootloader, since there is one already for serial port and serial port is availably
18:57:32CasainhoDomonoky_: If I build rockbox, the result is a .HEX file that I can upload?
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18:58:11Domonoky_Casainho: you have to configure the tool correctly so the make a correct binary for it..
18:58:40Domonoky_with tools i mean the tools of the rockbox build system, ie gcc ld and such ..
18:58:54CasainhoDomonoky_: I read a page on TWiki about that... but the bootloader confused me
18:59:09soapBuschel, after uncommenting those four lines, and changing line 350 to 0x3bfffef8, it boots - white flash between bootloader and rockbox splash screen - I'll be honest and say I don't use the Sansa enough to recall if that is normal or not...
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19:00:28BigBambifyrestorm: You need to set up a dev environment, then patch the source code, then build rockbox
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19:01:06Domonoky_Casainho: if i think about it, it depends on where the builtin bootloader can write the data.. ie only buitin mcu ram, or to sdram or to nand flash ??
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19:01:56Buschelsoap: good news. if you change line #339 to "#elif 0" and add "|| defined (SANSA_E200)" to line #297 you'll get the svn behaviour.
19:02:04CasainhoDomonoky_: I don't know.....
19:02:19soapBuschel, I just tested svn behavior - and that flash /is/ normal it appears.
19:02:28Buschelsoap: second good news :)
19:02:33CasainhoDomonoky_: It's need that It will write on flash, I assume
19:03:03Domonoky_Casainho: also the olimex board for rockboxv1 comes with linux.. so it shoudnt be to hard to port rockbox.. :-)
19:03:05Buschelsoap: so, setting GPO_VAL is still "open" and resetting LCD while startup is also bad...
19:03:47Buschelsoap: what is the value of GP032_VAL when using svn?
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19:04:23soapwhere do I check that?
19:04:30Domonoky_Casainho: so with luck the olimex already has a bootloader to load linux :-) which we could abuse..
19:04:31soapI don't mean to be such an idiot.
19:04:36CasainhoDomonoky_: okok,, I think I need to read more about the bootloader first :-) - thank you :-)
19:05:05Buschelsoap: engineering menu -> view i/o ports -> GPO32
19:05:34soap10000004
19:06:30Buschelsoap: what happens, if you disable those on startup? also LCD errors?
19:07:39soapBuschel, I don't mean to disappoint - but I do need more hand-holding
19:07:56soapI'm assuming you mean re-comment #350-353?
19:08:54Buschelsoap: sorry, I am too much into this stuff :/ -> uncomment line #344 and use x10000000 first to check, if 0x4 is not needed
19:09:40soapok, uncomment #344 and change from GPO32_ENABLE = 0x40004000; to GPO32_ENABLE = 0x10000000;?
19:09:48Buschelyes.
19:11:02Buschellike this -> http://pastebin.com/m734e750
19:11:15Buschelmaybe we should use pastebin ;)
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19:13:11soapok, changing 344 works
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19:13:26soapbut your pastebin changes 345 (GPO32_VAL
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19:15:03Buschel? so we talked about different lines all the time then? my tool says line #344...
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19:15:19Buschelok, can you use the pastebin link?
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19:17:15soaphttp://pastebin.com/m5469242f boots fine
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19:18:10Buschelsoap: good. and this one? -> http://pastebin.com/m2849ae36
19:21:09soaphttp://pastebin.com/m51f3e3e0 is the only line I changed: No boot.
19:21:22soapDouble white flash and hold on solid white screen.
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19:23:18Domonoky_Casainho: what i think would be more important for the rockboxplayerV1 is schematic of the needed external boards.. to make sure there are no problems or forgotten things..
19:24:53CasainhoDomonoky_: okok, I am working on this :-)
19:25:48Buschelsoap: ok, so x10000000 is needed. any other issues should be tested via test-patch i guess. so, this works for you -> http://pastebin.com/m3dacb6a2 ?
19:25:51CasainhoDomonoky_: as you can read, I have the connections for the LCD, for audio DAC should be very simple also and buttons very simples!!! :-)
19:26:32Domonoky_Casainho: how about batterys / power circuit ?
19:27:10rasherBagder: I implemented most of what's needed for automatic language buffer size, but I don't know how to actually make the code use the calculated value. FS #8482
19:27:30Domonoky_as i read the board has a internal voltage converter, so you only need to provice 5vdc, but battery charging ?
19:28:36CasainhoShow RockBox running on some Free/Open hardware. After we can go to Olimex and ask them (or any others) If they are still interested on assembly and sell the hardware as a gadget on their online shop. We had contacted Olimex on 11 January 2007 and they said they will probably be interested and they even suggest a possible hardware configuration and price: AT91SAM9260 + LCD NOKIA 6610 + 8MB...
19:28:39CasainhoDomonoky_: Objectives
19:28:40Casainho...flash + 8/16MB SDRAM + nRF24L01 wireless chip + audio CODEC + Li-ion battery + charger + miniUSB + buttons, price in range of 100 €.
19:29:22CasainhoDomonoky_: we don't need to design the battery charger at this stage :-) - Olimex will do that, or, we will do that later :-)
19:30:03Domonoky_Casainho: okey, so buttons / adc / lcd are need as external things..
19:30:11soapBuschel, http://pastebin.com/m3dacb6a2 boots for me.
19:30:30Buschelsoap: ok, thanks a lot then. I will update the patch now.
19:30:42Domonoky_replace adc with dac :-)
19:30:43CasainhoDomonoky_: yes, I think is simple, easy and cheap :-) - less the dev board that is expensive...
19:32:20Domonoky_Casainho: does some one already have the devboard ? (because it would be interessting what software is included)
19:33:43CasainhoDomonoky_: no, no one bought the dev board already. I am getting all other cheap hardware and I will just buy the dev board on final phase... - the price of the dev board puts difficult to developers adhere to the project, I think.
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19:52:18Bagderrasher: if nobody else grabs it, I'll get my hands on FS #8482 within a couple of days
19:53:22rasherBagder: sounds good. It should be really simple for someone with a clue. There's a new "make langs" target which builds langs in apps/lang/ and creates a max_language_size.h in $(BUILDDIR)
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19:54:54rasherAnd I modified buildzip to just copy them from there, rather than running genlang
19:57:32Bagdernice and small patch at least! ;-)
19:58:18rasherYeah, it was really not a lot of work. I just have no idea how to actually use the generated .h file
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20:01:28Bagderthere are some genlang warnings...
20:01:53rasherAbout greek.lang?
20:02:18Bagdergreek, magyar and tagalog
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20:02:31rasherThose are probably just hidden when building usually?
20:02:56Bagderyeah, buildzip hides them
20:05:23Bagderwe should first make sure that "make langs" only runs genlang if really needed
20:05:40rasherYou mean using make to figure out if it's needed?
20:05:45Bagderyes
20:05:52rasherI'll leave that to you
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20:07:30rasherI suppose apps/lang/ could have a proper makefile
20:08:09Bagderyes it feels like the right thing
20:11:38rasherMost of my work out the window I suppose, but yeah, it seems much more proper
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20:14:21linuxstbWouldn't it be better (in terms of build speed), to have one monolithic Makefile, possibly using includes?
20:14:33Bagderyes
20:14:56Bagderbut possibly somewhat harder to write/maintain
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20:23:57kriwhere do you se current version on the ipod?
20:24:09krirockbox-info.txt ?
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20:25:37linuxstbYes, but also in the System option in the main menu - I think it's "Info"
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20:47:07kugelSince when does reboot on plugging in USB work on sansa?
20:47:15kugelwell, at least e200
20:48:00stelBuschel: the e200-test-02.patch seems to be ok. I'll do another battery test & get back to you
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21:06:57preglowBuschel: 9:50 with latest changes, that's over 1:10 better than without the changes!
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21:21:20T-MacHey guys i threw on a theme from the webpage " Metroid " and all the text is screwd up what should i do to throw on a default?
21:21:29T-Maci can't navigate at all
21:21:56linuxstbWhat device are you running Rockbox on?
21:22:02T-Mac5.5g
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21:22:24linuxstbTurn it off (long press on PLAY/PAUSE), then turn it on, and as soon as the backlight comes on, turn the hold switch on.
21:22:33linuxstbThat will reset your settings.
21:22:46linuxstbAlternatively, you can manually edit the config.cfg file from your computer.
21:23:48T-Macso restarting it into the original OS from itunes will reset my theme in rockbox?
21:24:19T-Macexcellent thanks :) i can now read! :)
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21:25:13Horschtand no, booting into the original FW won't clear your settings
21:25:36T-Maci can see that but it allowed me to be able to read the text from the theme :)
21:26:19T-Macgrrrr i tried changing it again.... i rebooted it and still i cant see the text... it seams to be stuck on metroid :(
21:26:23Horschtyeah, it all depends at what point you turn the hold switch on
21:26:35T-Macoh
21:26:40Horschtuse a different them than metroid then
21:27:03T-Maci tried thats what i did but the metroid one stay stuck on it.... i changed it to a orignal rockbox theme and it stayed on metroid :(
21:27:29linuxstbIf you turn the hold switch on before the backlight comes on, you'll start the Apple firmware. If you turn it on after the backlight comes on (but before Rockbox itself starts - you need to be quick...), that will reset your settings.
21:27:34T-Maci just rebooted it twice and its still stuck on metroid and i cant read
21:27:46T-Macoh okay :)
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21:28:00Horschtyou will then be presented with the default rockbox theme
21:28:11T-Macexcellent! :) awsm thanks for the tip :)
21:28:18T-Macit said Cleared! :)
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21:29:41soapNico_P, if you have a chance to answer a question regarding the bmp_resize patch for someone (me) who isn't working on it: What is the (theoretically speaking) solution for the large static buffer?
21:29:51soapIf no time - ignore me- it's cool.
21:30:27Nico_Psoap: resizing on bitmap loading or using the buffering API
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21:30:35Nico_P... to allocate a temp buffer
21:30:50linuxstbThat sounds suspicously like malloc... ;)
21:31:08Buschelpreglow: nice result :)
21:31:40Nico_Plinuxstb: yeah, I'm not sure it's very viable anyway... maybe we'll just have to accept using a static buffer
21:31:55soapBuschel, with the mad rush of random runtime results coming in now - what runtime comparisons do you most need to see?
21:31:59Nico_Pit could be used for all possible resizing though
21:32:24linuxstbI would have thought you could resize whilst loading, without needing a large buffer though.
21:33:19Nico_Pyeah, it's possible. I really don't feel like implementing it though
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21:33:35Nico_Pthe bitmap loading code is complex to me
21:33:56T-Machow comme when i plug my rockbox player sometimes it detects on the pc so i can access it but sometimes it just charge's the batterie.... i have the setting charge while usb pluged in to Off and it still only works half the time
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21:36:18Buschelsoap: there are no results for c200, mini and mini2g yet, which could be interesting. furthermore I need some support (which I already asked for in the flyspray) for fiddling out the minimum register settings for c200, mini, mini2g and photo/color.
21:37:01soappoop - I only have a Nano, Video, E200
21:37:35Buschelhopefully some users of such come around the patch...
21:38:31soapyou need them in here, pretty much, don't you.
21:38:48soapOr is there a series of configs we could pre-build for people to test in order?
21:41:42linuxstbNico_P: Hmm, so FS #5697 doesn't touch the bmp loading function at all - it loads the large bitmaps, and rescales every time it needs to draw it?
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21:42:04Nico_Plinuxstb: not everytime I think, but apart from that, yes
21:43:00Nico_Pthe patch does need improvement
21:44:36rasherJdGordon, linuxstb: using viewports + viewports-lists, I can't compile for m:robe 500
21:44:49JdGordonyeah, ignore it :p
21:45:14kugelJdGordon: Hey, I know what tdooke meant in his last comment
21:45:16Buschelsoap: I also thought about pre-config... but for now we only have 2x 5022 and 1x 5024 with detailled configuration -> 5020 totally missing. I don't know whether c200 is identical to to e200, but I could use the same as a first try...
21:45:36JdGordonkugel: enlighten me then :D
21:45:36kugelat least I think so, I didn't even apply your patch yet
21:45:54Buschelsoap: you also see that the 5022/5024 devices use different settings especially with the LCD stuff
21:46:29soap:( so the answer is "Sit back and wait for a 5020 user to step forward to play."
21:46:32kugelJdGordon: I think he was talking about that the indent of the icons and text aren't proper at times
21:46:52kugeldepending on icons/scrollbar/list title to be displayed
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21:47:53preglowBuschel: i wonder what more can be done
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21:49:34Nico_Pread_bmp_fd() is really discouraging IMO
21:50:07Buschelsoap/preglow: with a little luck we may find out for what the left device enabled are used for. then we could check whether these must be enabled all the time or only for a special action (like DEV_USB or DEV_OPTO)
21:50:56Buschelpreglow/soap: e.g. you can switch off/on DEV_I2C unless I2C activity is going on −− this works on my 5G, but showed errors on a H10
21:51:47kugelNico_P: I know what you're talking about ;)
21:51:51preglowBuschel: does that reduce power consumption by much?
21:52:01Buschelalso the yet unknown DEV_EN 0x100 seems to enable/disable GPIOx_INPUT. I am not usre whether we caould use this knowledge
21:52:15Buschelpreglow: not really
21:52:27Buschel*sure
21:54:02preglowi don't think i2c sucks too much, really
21:54:25Buschelyou'll never know what the PP does...
21:55:14oboBuschel: I have a c200 - are you just after runtime tests?
21:55:33Buschelanother test by saratoga shows that lowering the core voltage (PP5024 only) saves some more power −− I could implement it for testing, but this will only affect e200 then
21:56:17LloreanWouldn't that then work on PP5022s as well?
21:56:33Buschelobo: not only. It would be fine, if you could check whether the initialization for e200 also works for c200 (FS #8379, latest patch, system-pp502x.c).
21:57:03obookay, will do
21:57:20oboDomonoky_: are you still after someone with Vista?
21:57:30Domonoky_yes..
21:57:35Buschelllorean: on PP5024 the as3514 is contained for which the commands to lower core voltage are known. PP5022 does not have this one included
21:57:43obookay, I have business edition here...
21:57:46LloreanDomonoky_: If you don't find someone with Vista in a few days, when I get home I'll be able to. It'll still be several days yet, though
21:57:52LloreanBuschel: Aaah, okay
21:57:55Buschelobo: thanks
21:58:08Domonoky_obo, please try domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.1pre.exe">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.1pre.exe
21:58:38oboDomonoky_: also, just to spice things up a bit... in the last few minor revisions of QT allow you to compile and make builds with MSVC as well as mingw
21:59:07Buschelobo: just add "|| defined(SANSA_C200)" to line #331 and change line #290 to "#if 0"
21:59:14Domonoky_obo: but then i would need msvc, i like the console more :-)
21:59:36oboDomonoky_: rbutil builds, but I wasn't able to produce a working libspeex - I was using the free express edition
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22:00:11Domonoky_yes the libspeex make seem to not work outside of cygwin..
22:00:30oboyup, system calls to cat etc
22:00:33Buschelsoap: btw, you may try FS #8480 to have linear decrease of battery percent on e200
22:00:53Domonoky_i just build the rbspeex.lib in cygwin.. works :-)
22:01:14soapBuschel, do you want me to add that to the testing builds?
22:01:40Buschelsoap: like you want :o)
22:02:07Domonoky_obo: but what i want you to test on vista, isnt in svn, use the binary i posted :-)
22:02:17Buscheli thought about adding it to the patch. but it is another issue not directly connected to power consumption
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22:05:49RedbrevaDomonoky_ : I have Vista Business here too, what are you looking to test with that build?
22:06:08oboDomonoky_: yup, I am, just had to find all the DLLs :) - it prompted me for UAC access
22:06:22Domonoky_prompting is good..
22:06:54Domonoky_now the bootloader installation should work.. ie raw diskaccess for sansa/ipodpatcher
22:08:12Buschelpreglow/soap: one thing came my mind for nano -> we know that some of the enable bits are used for LCD. why not trying to only switch them on for LCD driver init and transfer and switch them off afterwards (like enable bits for USB)?
22:08:27oboDomonoky_: bootloader install worked okay
22:08:30Domonoky_i shall then commit the manifest for rbutil, and maybe in the same run also for sansapatcher and e200rpatcher ? (only ipodpatcher has one now)... :-)
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22:08:48Buschelsoap: same for e200
22:08:51oboDomonoky_: on an ipod... I have a sansa as well if that needs testing
22:09:09Domonoky_no need, rbutil uses its own manifest..
22:09:49Domonoky_but sure, testing wouldnt hurt, i a am always interested in bugreports for rbutil :-)
22:10:52soapBuschel, I'll test whatever you throw my way.
22:10:59Buschellol
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22:13:42preglowBuschel: nano has no lcd driver init...
22:13:48oboDomonoky_: sansa bootloader was fine too
22:14:05Domonoky_obo: nice, thanxs for testing..
22:14:52Buschelpreglow: yes, it's empty :/ maybe that's the place to put the device enables to?
22:15:46Buschelpreglow: the DEV_INIT1 and GPO32_VAL
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22:17:26Buschelpreglow: and enabling them before calling lcd_update_rect(...) and disabling afterwards...
22:17:53Buschelquite experimental though
22:18:08preglowi wonder what devices we're switching off...
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22:18:44Buschelexactly, everything lies more or less in shallow waters
22:19:24preglowyeah, i just hope we're not switching off stuff we're going to try using in the future
22:20:03linuxstbIs there much left unknown, apart from the serial port?
22:20:26preglowdon't think so
22:20:34preglowbut i've got a feeling those chips have more features than we know of
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22:24:05Buschelone also unknown bit (DEV_EN Bit 31) _must_ be switched on for startup but can be switched off later without any side effect, that's also one of the more interesting ones
22:24:42Buschelsimilar to DEV_EN3 Bit 3
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22:33:45oboBuschel: e200-test-2.patch plus those changes works fine
22:34:27Buschelobo: fine :o) then this is the next patch-version. thanks for testing!
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22:40:06Casainhoa question to every body: If I start making a port for RB, can I upload my code to SVN of RB? - I am new to svn technology :-)
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22:41:15JdGordonCasainho: once you have access you can
22:41:44CasainhoJdGordon: what shoudl I do to have acess?
22:42:51Buschelok, I gotta go to bed −− will have a look at any results / reports tomorrow morning. see you!
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22:48:40BigBambiCasainho: Consistently write good code until you are offered it :)
22:48:56BigBambiUntil you do, put code on flyspray
22:49:08Casainhoso, I must write and after show here on IRC?
22:49:33BigBambiPut it on flyspray and ask someone here with access to look and commit
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22:50:33emkufso is there anyway to view Japanese text with RockBox?
22:50:42BigBambiyes
22:50:55BigBambiAre you using a font with japanese character support?
22:51:05emkufhmm I must not be
22:51:54emkufSo how would I go about enabling that?
22:52:18pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
22:52:30BigBambiemkuf: Also rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/
22:52:58emkufthank you
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22:57:45CasainhoBigBambi: thank you. I will try t oread more about flyspary then :-)
22:58:27BigBambiCasainho: no worries. Flyspray is just the bug/patch/etc tracker
22:59:22CasainhoBigBambi: okok :-) in the correct time I will use the flyspry for post my code :-) - I am excited about the idea :-)
22:59:26markunemkuf: this might also help http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide
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23:15:23crzyboysterCan I use viewports along with the album art conditional?
23:16:26linuxstbcrzyboyster: Not at the moment, no.
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23:17:12crzyboysterThat's too bad, really...
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23:18:38kugelhmm
23:18:48kugelwww.rockbox.org looks weird in konqueror
23:18:55crzyboysterI'm having another problem with my wps: I have the track title which I want at the very top of the screen and I made the code this way, but for some reason, the line appears one line down. I can give you guys the code, can you help me out?
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23:25:41linuxstbcrzyboyster: Is that with plain SVN Rockbox, or with the viewports patch(es) ?
23:26:54crzyboysterviewports patched simulator...
23:27:06crzyboysterI should probably try on SVN, huh?
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23:30:38crzyboysterJust tried on SVN rockbox, still has same problems...
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23:35:55crzyboysterIf anyone can diagnose the problem, here's the code > crzyboyster.googlepages.com/cabbie3nano.txt">http://crzyboyster.googlepages.com/cabbie3nano.txt
23:37:30LloreanPut the progress bar line somewhere else.
23:38:29kugelJdGordon: is your list patch supposed to work?
23:38:51crzyboysterLlorean: Made no difference.
23:39:04LloreanDid you put it further down, AFTER the lines that were in the wrong place?
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23:41:01crzyboysterLlorean: Thanks! That fixed the problem.
23:41:18LloreanProgressbar lines still count as a "line" whether you have the PB displaying on that line or not
23:41:47kugellinuxstb: have you had a chance to test JdGordon's list patch?
23:44:11saratoga1is there some trick to get FF to work with filespray files a little better?
23:44:22saratoga1half of them open at plain text for me, so i have to wget them
23:44:36LloreanIsn't it a problem with mime types?
23:44:46kugelseriously, I like it better when they open as text
23:45:00kugelI hate though, that it's not consistent
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23:48:09saratoga1kugel: i dislike it when .7z files open as text
23:48:18saratoga1i don't know anything about MIME so i have no idea
23:48:25obosaratoga1: http://www.spasche.net/mozilla/
23:48:31kugelsaratoga1: ah well, yea. forgot about that
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23:51:37saratoga1anyone object to me commiting FS #8387?
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23:52:47Nico_Pman, my gigabeat's HD has a big dent I hadn't noticed
23:53:16XavierGrbah sorry to hear that Nico, that sucks
23:53:28saratoga1more reason to get the S working
23:53:31XavierGrGigabeat F is a sweet target :\
23:53:36Nico_Psaratoga1: indeed
23:53:37saratoga1i almost got one on ebay the other day
23:53:37XavierGrheh indeed
23:53:40saratoga1they're surprisingly cheap
23:53:50saratoga130GB went for ~80 USD
23:53:51Nico_PI need to get another F or a new HD
23:54:02XavierGrYeah I don't understand why Gigabeats are cheap in general
23:54:23XavierGrNico_P: Do you have other targets atm?
23:54:33Nico_PI only have an S at hand :/
23:54:40saratoga1Nico_P: can you use the S disk in the F?
23:54:48XavierGrsaratoga1: I think I bought mine (60GB) for just 100 euros
23:54:53Nico_Psaratoga1: no, they're not the same format
23:55:02saratoga1becaus there's a lot of S players with broken screens and working disks on ebay
23:55:03saratoga1ah
23:55:18Nico_Pplus, I'm leaving in a week for a ski trip... eing able to listen to music in the coach would've been nice
23:58:00XavierGrNico_P: so the F was your only target? Didn't you have an H100 too?
23:58:38Nico_PI used to have an H320, but I left it to my mother when I got the F (we don't live in the same city)

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