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#rockbox log for 2008-01-21

00:00:31saratoga1eh i'm commiting the firewire charger detection thing before it gets forgotten
00:00:36saratoga1it looks harmless enough anyway
00:01:00 Nick |404| is now known as JETC- (n=jetc123@pool-72-68-62-120.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
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00:01:58BoD[]_Hello, World!
00:02:00Nico_PXavierGr: the H300 is quite bulky though, and I didn't use the tuner or recording much
00:02:13Nico_PI'm really looking forward to having rockbox on the S
00:02:31kugelJdGordon: It didn't even took me 5 min to spot the first error in your list patch :)
00:02:35saratoga1so are the rest of us
00:03:03saratoga1be interesting to expand mpeg player into a general purpose video player
00:03:04BoD[]_the S ?
00:03:13BigBambigigabeat s
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00:03:22BoD[]_oh right
00:03:25*BigBambi is also looking forward to it
00:03:40Bagderrasher: now you can have a look at my first take at the lang stuff
00:03:54*Nico_P is still waiting for ptw419 to reply to his email
00:04:40BoD[]_I'm doing a chkdsk on my ipod... Does anybody know if it's normal that it takes forever
00:04:43BoD[]_?
00:04:50saratoga1does anyone have any thoughts on that PP battery charging patch ( FS #8363 )?
00:04:57BoD[]_it's been 10min it says 3 percent completed
00:05:07saratoga1i'd like to see that commited but the guy working on it seems to have vanished
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00:06:12Lloreansaratoga1: I'd like to see more testing on it.
00:06:30saratoga1Bagder: you have the datasheet for the AS chip that handles charging on the PP5024?
00:06:50BoD[]_(plus ctrl+c doesn't seem to do anything)
00:07:19Bagderthe AS3514, yes I do
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00:10:11saratoga1Bagder: how much info is there abotu battery charging?
00:10:40saratoga1if bertrik isn't interested on finishing up that patch, i may take over it once the default theme and PP power consumption stuff is commited
00:11:44Bagderit's not a lot said, but there is some at least
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00:17:50*Nico_P is under the impression that he could use his S's drive in the F
00:18:48LloreanNico_P: No, the S and X should be compatible though, iirc.
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00:21:29moosNico_P:not the same connector
00:21:41Nico_Pyeah but there is a sort of ribbon
00:21:42saratoga1anyone know why a bdf font wouldn't work with rockbox?
00:21:55LloreanYou mean, after converting to fnt?
00:22:04saratoga1Llorean: no the conversio itself
00:22:13LloreanUsing the SVN converter, or a binary from somewhere?
00:22:14saratoga1the bdf->fnt program seems to fail on some files
00:22:19saratoga1the svn one
00:22:28saratoga1though oddly the fnt versions of the fonts work fine
00:23:45Nico_Pmoos: the mainbord connector is very resemblant
00:24:10kugelJdGordon: If you'd answer me I'd share my experience with your list patch, including errors and bugs
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00:24:17saratoga1maybe i have teh wrong DPI?
00:24:23saratoga1does rockbox need a certain type of bdf file
00:24:42JdGordonkugel: if I'm not answering it usualy means I'm busy atm... just leave a message on the tracker
00:25:06kugelokok
00:25:56kugelI thought you aren't very busy since you had time to type something in -community (no offense)
00:31:10Nico_Phmm I've managed to connect the S's hd in the F but the right bootloader is obviously lacking
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00:35:11*Nico_P doesn't know what to do apart from use his S to listen to music (erk)
00:36:28 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world")
00:36:49saratoga1ugh the mix12 font alone is 1.2MB
00:37:00saratoga1but at least its only used by whatever device is 160x128x2 (Ipod 4g?)
00:37:22saratoga1i really should have paid closer attention to the default theme process to discourage things like this
00:38:27LloreanH100 and the iPods Grayscale, I think.
00:38:59saratoga1i wonder whats in that font tha tmakes it 15x the size of all the others
00:39:56LloreanSixty billion extra unicode character sets for obscure languages like Klingon?
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00:41:24saratoga1is there a tool that lets you edit these font files?
00:41:35saratoga1seems like making a rockbox.bdf file would be optimal
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00:41:43LloreanFontforge I hear works well enough
00:44:02*Nico_P needs to find a way to put F bootloader files on his S's HD
00:45:57BigBambiF recovery trick?
00:46:30Nico_Pis it on the wiki?
00:47:00BigBambihttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures
00:48:38saratoga1Llorean: do we want to give the Cabbie2 people artist tags in the forums?
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00:50:11Lloreansaratoga1: I've already stated a policy of "You don't get a tag for adapting someone else's work". So, there might be one or two people there who get a tag, but I'm not going to wade in and figure out who, or how. I'll let some of them apply via the normal process, and defend their application the usual way
00:50:24LloreanBagder: Man, I thought I was even particularly polite about my reminder regarding top posting.
00:50:45Bagderyeah, but the whiners are always there to bite
00:51:04Nico_PBigBambi: thanks :) problem is the damn device turns off each time I plug the drive in
00:51:14Nico_PI guess they're not compatible after all ;p
00:51:20BigBambiAre you sure they are compatible?
00:51:22BigBambiHeh :)
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00:55:23saratoga1how do i delte a file from version control if I've already deleted it from the source tree?
00:56:12Bagdersvn −−force rm [file] I think
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01:00:00pixelmasaratoga1, Llorean: the M5's display is also 160x128x2
01:00:57Lloreanpixelma: Y'know, half the time I even forget the M5 is a target. =/ We're getting too big for me to keep in my head.
01:01:58pixelmayou need more obscure devices ;)
01:04:39LloreanWell, in about a month I'll be due another Rockbox if I want to keep up the average. :-P
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01:07:34XavierGrRockbox has turned me into a DAP collector. I can't justify anymore my purchases. I just say it is rockbox-compatible and then buy it...
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01:10:16saratoga1ok i'm going to commit cabbie
01:11:07JdGordonnoooooooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
01:11:11peturit would be nice if cabbie showed the volume in dB - even if only while changing it...
01:11:54LloreanAt least I got them to make it visibly show when you pass 0dB
01:11:54pixelmasaratoga1: does the greyscale 160x128 port really use a different font than the colour 160x128 port (X5 and big H10)?
01:12:08PaulJampetur: i don't think this is possible with the current WPS syntax.
01:12:20saratoga1pixelma: yes apparently
01:12:34saratoga1which seems odd to be sure
01:13:19pixelmahow weird, I hope it is at least the same height? (otherwise there would be problems with the Iaudio remote wps, I think)
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01:15:11saratoga1pixelma: its just going to svn, not becoming default, so we'll have time to correct that
01:15:24saratoga1i expect to find a few problems
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01:15:34saratoga1since i don't understand half the stuff i just did
01:16:05pixelmahmm ok, we'll see
01:17:10saratoga1can i mark the bdf files as binary so that SVN doesn't try to diff them?
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01:17:47|NSA|anyone here have a sansa c240 and use the radio?
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01:18:08pixelmasaratoga1: AFAIK bdf is actually text file, not binary
01:18:56pixelma|NSA|: I have a c250 and use the radio - close enough? I.e."just ask" ;)
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01:19:46|NSA|when i listen to the radio, after about 20 minutes, it seems to get out of tune on the frequency and get kinda staticy, when i go to another frequency and then go back, it get a clear signal again
01:20:12|NSA|i assumed it jwas just a buggy tuner, but i was bored so i decided to come in here and ask anyway
01:20:51pixelmadidn't happen to me and I listened to it for a while on friday. How old is your build?
01:21:29|NSA|like half a week or a week
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01:21:46|NSA|\the one right after the new mpeg seeking stuff
01:22:04|NSA|actually, so more than a week
01:22:21|NSA|but it happened for a while
01:23:32pixelmacan you state the complete revision number? There was a commit that fixed stability issues with the tuner on January 9th - or just update to the current build and try again
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01:24:22saratoga1pulling the trigger
01:24:52pixelma|NSA|: you can check in the menu > system > Rockbox Info
01:26:39pixelmarevision 16038 was the bug fix
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01:32:28saratoga1nuts the build system doesn't kick in for theme changes
01:32:35saratoga1someone commit something i want to see if cabbie works
01:35:21linuxstbsaratoga1: Did you forget wps/FILES ?
01:35:33saratoga1linuxstb: yes, yes I did
01:36:26*linuxstb always remembers FILES when other people commit things, but always forgets when he does...
01:38:07|NSA|it was probably beofre that since i also noticed that commit and thats why i asked to se if maybe someone would say that that is the commit that would fix it
01:39:27|NSA|15993 was the oneon mine, i guess ill upgrade right now
01:40:00pixelma|NSA|: I had another issue before - everytime I listened to music files before and then switched to the radio the frequencies were off (so same symptoms but a different way to get there). I'd just try
01:40:31linuxstbWhy was Unifont deleted?
01:40:41saratoga1i wonder how that 1 line of code added by the firewire charge detection patch added 2.5kb to the binary size
01:40:54saratoga1linuxstb: i haven't commited it yet for lack of agreement on how to proceed
01:41:13saratoga1currently its implemented a completely seperate theme with duplicate copies of all bmps
01:41:45linuxstbsaratoga1: I mean why did your commit delete unifont.bdf ?
01:41:51pixelmasaratoga1: he means that the complete unifont bdf is marked "gone"
01:41:59saratoga1that shouldn't be
01:42:19saratoga1probably hit it by accident when i was deleting the fnt files left over from the cabbie zips
01:43:35saratoga1ok put it back
01:44:05linuxstbAlso, it seems odd that the 160x128x2 target gets a huge unicode font (mix12), and the others (including 160x128x16) don't...
01:44:13linuxstbsaratoga1: Be careful to keep the SVN history...
01:44:58linuxstbi.e. use "svn cp" IIRC.
01:45:51pixelmasaratoga1: might be interesting to read the latest forum post :)
01:46:47saratoga1linuxstb: how is that used?
01:47:00saratoga1i generally just do a cp -r when i need to fork
01:47:40linuxstbGoogle for "subversion undelete" - e.g. http://wiki.zhekov.net/svnusage
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01:50:13*linuxstb wonders if we need something like a wps/CREDITS document to say who owns the (C) in the various WPS files and images.
01:50:26linuxstb(and their licenses...)
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01:50:59LloreanCan't you put comments in a WPS with lines starting with #?
01:51:07LloreanMaybe we could just add them directly to the .wps file?
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01:51:36linuxstbTrue, but that doesn't deal with images.
01:51:50LloreanTrue
01:51:59soapchain-of-title would be nice
01:52:01linuxstbAlthough I guess the .wps could just list the (C) holders of the images used by that wps...
01:52:06LloreanIndeed
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01:52:44linuxstbAlthough maybe we don't wouldn't want to clutter up the .wps with license/copyright info.
01:52:52LloreanYeah
01:52:53|NSA|hmm, is there a pacman for rockbox, i have read about it but ant find it
01:52:55linuxstb^delete one of those words...
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01:53:21linuxstb|NSA|: There is an emulator of the pacman arcade machine hardware. You will need to provide the software (i.e. ROMs) to run on it.
01:53:50pixelma|NSA|: there is one in Rockbox but not for all targets (c200 being one of the latter)
01:54:15saratoga1linuxstb: were you working on the patch to set the default theme?
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01:54:35linuxstbI wrote one about a year ago, but no-one liked the theme (iCatcher)...
01:55:07linuxstbAnd I haven't looked at it since.
01:55:15linuxstb(it's on flyspray)
01:55:53saratoga1how difficult would it be to adapt it to all the stuff cabbie needs?
01:58:35linuxstbNot that hard, but we might want to move all the defaults to a separate file (e.g. defaults.h), and possibly even generate that from WPSLIST if we were clever...
01:59:14linuxstbThe patch basically just adds macros like DEFAULT_WPS, DEFAULT_FONT etc, and then defines them with a big set of #defines.
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02:00:01saratoga1linuxstb: yes I would prefer to parse WPS list, but I'm not too sure how that should work
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02:02:34linuxstbIt would probably be easier to just do it manually - you would need to convert things like "selector type: bar (gradient)" into the internal Rockbox representation. i.e. parse WPSLIST as if it was a .cfg.
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02:03:03linuxstbIt's not as if we're going to change the defaults very often.
02:04:21saratoga1looking at it, i think i could just get away with changing the font and wps strings
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02:06:32countrymonkeyHas 8365 had a look? I would like to update the japanese lang but rasher's page will not let me update everything without 8365 being committed.
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02:11:28countrymonkeyI mean 8465. My mistake.
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02:26:20|NSA|aww man, why didnt anyone tell me that a new theme was going to be commited right beofre i updated. and also, how do yu uninstall themes?
02:27:11JdGordonyou didnt ask?
02:27:15JdGordonand you dont need to
02:27:24|NSA|i know but i want to
02:27:33|NSA|i dont like some of the themes i installed
02:27:36|NSA|so why have them?
02:28:04countrymonkeyDelete the files relating to the theme within .rockbox/themes and .rockbox/wps.
02:28:47countrymonkeyJDGordan, am I correct? It has been a while since I did it.
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02:31:49saratoga1themes tend to put stuff in fonts, icons, backdrops, wps and themes, so i guess you'd have to dig through all of them
02:32:05saratoga1its really pointless though, themes are generally too small to be worth deleting
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03:00:38saratoga1alright, now i just need to take Buschel's current measurements and then i can finally start working on the wma codec again
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04:22:53countrymonkeyIs tuukka ojala on this irc channel?
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04:59:09testfireHello, is the Sansa e260 supported?
04:59:49advlaptop2019testfire, yes if it is a v1
04:59:51Aloneatestfire: yeshum. as long as its not v2
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05:00:18testfireHow do I find this out"?
05:00:33advlaptop2019testfire, check the firmware
05:00:41testfireOk
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05:01:26testfireVersion 01.02.18A
05:01:39testfireI guess that's version 1 right?
05:01:47advlaptop2019testfire, that is a v1 so you can have rockbox
05:01:54testfireSweet!
05:02:09testfireHow should I go about installing it, I use Ubuntu Linux.
05:02:53Horschtdownload the installer
05:04:21testfirewhich one should I download? http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/
05:04:53rvvs89Probably the more recent one
05:05:08testfire1.0.2?
05:07:06rvvs89Yar
05:07:17testfireIs there any chances of bricking my Sansa?
05:08:08rvvs89Not a clue, but that is probably detailed in the manual
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05:11:38testfireIt's giving me download errors when I try to run the installer...
05:12:50Aloneatestfire: manually.
05:13:06testfirehuh?
05:13:24Aloneatestfire: oh, there is the autoinstaller and the manual way right? I was just suggesting manual way is best way to install
05:13:40testfireOh
05:13:55testfireHow long can it take that way?
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05:16:54testfireLooks like it was my fault... had the rockbox.zip file already downloaded from before
05:17:45testfireWhat theme is best :P
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05:19:13Horschtwhat color is the best, testfire?
05:21:02testfireI'm just going to install them all :P
05:21:08testfirebut I like blue :P
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05:54:46telliottWhat is this "cabbie 2.0" interface? Is it compatible with the Archos V1 recorder?
05:57:22psycho_maniacCabbie 2.0 is just a "wps" for your player.
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05:58:23psycho_maniacand yes i do believe it will work for the archos players
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06:00:26telliottCool. I'll have to try it out.
06:01:23psycho_maniacAll you have to do is download the most current version of rockbox and i believe it will be under the browse themes setting
06:01:53telliottThanks. Doing that now.
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06:06:06telliottNot bad but I like a bold font.
06:09:17telliottCool. It works with my favorite alt8x8.fnt
06:10:27psycho_maniacI THINK it will work with any font that the original one is set to for size. im not too sure though.
06:11:02telliottA bit more scrolling but it looks great.
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06:11:56telliottpsycho_maniac, what's your preferred Rockbox hardware?
06:12:18psycho_maniacwhat do you mean by hardware? what player i prefer?
06:12:26telliottYes
06:12:41psycho_maniacI like the Gigabeat F series
06:13:36telliottCool. That's the one with the big + controller.
06:14:14telliottWhat size hard drive is in it?
06:14:50psycho_maniacThey can be found with a 20, 40, and 60hd
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06:16:19telliottThanks for your help.
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06:32:17psycho_maniacanybody know the site that has a bunch of rockbox fonts off hand?
06:37:02scorcherasher's site?
06:38:17psycho_maniacyeah
06:46:13psycho_maniaci found it
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08:32:42SJ-JerksHey, anyone wanting to help me config my IPOD 80gig?
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08:33:15JdGordonyou know... ive actually been sitting here all night *hoping* someone would be kind enough to let me help them do exatcly that!
08:33:50SJ-Jerks....seriously?
08:34:14GodEatersarcasm alert! sarcasm alert!
08:34:39SJ-JerksUGH, come one! none of the damn themes work, and i cant find anything on tthe forums!
08:36:17SJ-JerksSo you guys just sit in here and do.......what?
08:38:49GodEater*None* of the themes work ?
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08:41:22SJ-JerksWell, i put them in...and when i play a music file it just uses the default player
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08:41:39SJ-JerksLike it seems the only thing working is the background and font
08:41:42scorcheand you tried every one?
08:42:07SJ-Jerksi have 9 different ones on here
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08:42:14GodEaterpresumably only the ones which say they'll work with an official build. Because of course if you're using an unsupported build, then you're on your own.
08:42:27GodEater9. There's quite a few more than 9.
08:43:13SJ-JerksI know, but i get very frustrated quickly. I tried the ones that have "Will work on daily build" or whatever
08:44:50GodEaterDid you read the bit at the top of the page saying "Broken Themes" ?
08:46:34SJ-JerksNo sir, im using "Soap's Mirror"
08:46:52*GodEater is unaware of that site
08:47:23SJ-JerksAm i allowed to paste sites?
08:47:39GodEaterif you're just going to paste the url, we don't want the entire site ;)
08:48:02SJ-Jerkshttp://rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org/index.php?res=320x240x16
08:48:47*GodEater recommends "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g"
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08:50:02SJ-JerksSo if i download any of these....it should work if i throw them in the rockbox folder?
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08:51:50GodEaterno
08:52:06GodEaterI recommend that page because it contains the "Broken Themes" text to which I earlier referrred
08:52:34GodEaterhowever, I can tell you that the Cabbie 2.0 theme on that page *does* work - because I'm using it right now
08:54:40SJ-JerksYes, and that comes with the build i downloaded...it works for me. So its just a matter of...works and don't then?
08:55:21GodEaterif you find themes which don't work, do what the "Broken Themes" text says
08:57:10SJ-JerksGreat, thank you for your help and time godeater.
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09:00:33amiconneurgh
09:00:52amiconnWhy are there now a 'backdrops' and an 'icons' folder at top level in svn?
09:02:20*GodEater looks at saratoga....
09:02:59JdGordonfonts/backdrops/wps/icons should all go under /themes to get them out of the way
09:03:33*JdGordon also wonders why cabbiev2 was commited with the v2 part?
09:03:47GodEaterbecause that's its name ?
09:03:51amiconnI agree, except about fonts
09:04:10JdGordonany version before svn is irrelevant though
09:04:13amiconnfonts/ contains the default font, which is compiled into the binaries
09:04:35JdGordonmeh, makes sense putting all the non-code stuff in one spot..
09:04:36GodEaterJdGordon: not really, there's still a cabbie v1 which is radically different
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09:09:01SJ-JerksHey godeater...you try the "pen&paper" theme yet? I like it alot!
09:10:26LinusNit's wonderful!
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09:11:26SJ-JerksQuick question...it seems like theres alot going on inside the ipod...does Rockbox run the battery fast?
09:12:39GodEaterif you mean "does the battery drain faster in Rockbox than in Apple's firmware?" then currently the answer is yes
09:13:44GodEateranyone know if saratoga's commit of cabbiev2 was just that, or did he make it the new default too ?
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09:20:10LinusNGodEater: nothing, actually :-)
09:20:36LinusNGodEater: he did not make it the default
09:22:16GodEaterthanks on both counts :)
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09:52:55markunhi Godrilla
09:53:04Godrillai have a quick question
09:53:21Godrillai got rockbox on ipod nano
09:53:44Godrillaand i was wondering, in database can you sort by album?
09:54:10Godrillalike when you click on an artist and you have multiple albums underneath the artists' name
09:54:32Godrillaand you click on "all tracks" can it be by album order instead of alphabetical
09:54:34markunI thought that was the case already, but I haven't used the database in a long time
09:54:49markunlet me search a bit
09:54:52Godrillathanks
09:56:25GodEaterGodrilla: yes certainly you can
09:56:34GodEaterGodrilla: is there something makes you think you cannot ?
09:56:38markunGodEater: with tagnavi?
09:56:48GodEatermarkun: it's shipped with our default one
09:56:52GodEateryou don't need to do anything special
09:56:54Godrillahow would i do that
09:57:04GodEateroh hang on
09:57:07*GodEater reads the question again
09:57:12Godrillareally? for me it's listed alphabetically
09:57:21Godrillathis is when i click on "all tracks"
09:58:07GodEateryes sorry
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09:58:14GodEaterthat's current behaviour
09:58:23GodEaterI thought you wanted to just see the list of Albums for that artist
09:58:25GodEaterI see what you mean now
09:58:48GodEaterI suspect it's possible to acheive what you want though
09:58:48Godrillais it possible/
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09:58:51GodEaterbut you'd have to ask "bascule" in the forums - he's Mr. Custom Tagnavi ;)
09:59:29markunGodrilla: here's some info which might help you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax
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10:43:04pondlifeZagor: Is www.rockbox.org back now? Seems ok from here and I'm about to do a commit...
10:43:21Zagoryes it is
10:43:25pondlifeThanks
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10:54:16pondlifeHmm, the build server is taking a while to kick off...
10:55:48LinusNthe server went picking daisies
10:56:00LinusNwe just restarted it
10:56:16linuxstbpondlife: Which PP targets have problems been reported on? Does it work OK on the Gigabeat?
10:56:30LinusNgigabeat is not pp
10:56:32pondlifeWorks great on the Gigabeat, very useful
10:56:45linuxstbLinusN: I know, but it's ARM, so uses similar PCM code.
10:56:53pondlifeMaybe it's just me, but I find the non-button control on the Gigabeat a bit odd
10:56:55linuxstb(i.e. a FIQ IIRC)
10:56:59LinusNi see
10:57:29pondlifeI've had reports from GodEater that iPod Video suffers, and from JdGordon about a Sansa E
10:57:58pondlifeI guess that pcmbuf_beep() for PP doesn't like short durations.
10:58:29pondlifeBut I don't think I can do much more to investigate without an affected device.
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10:59:12LinusNi wish i had enough usb-fu to enable the serial usb device for logf()
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11:00:50*pondlife wonders if the build server has completed its daisy chain yet.
11:02:12ZagorLinusN: I have uncommitted code that enables it, but it doesn't work very well. strings get cut off and garbled.
11:02:42LinusNoh
11:02:59Zagorof course, that is due to _my_ lack of usb-fu :-)
11:03:07LinusN:-)
11:03:16pondlifeWell, perhaps 2 half-fus make a full fu?
11:03:31LinusNmore like usb-fools
11:03:38pondlifefu-sb
11:03:48LinusNfu-box
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11:06:45GodEaterlinuxstb: have you tried it on your PP target to see if you get the nasty screeching noise ?
11:07:23pondlifeIt's not changed (aside from resyncing) so it should still screech.
11:08:40GodEaterI just wasn't sure if linuxstb had ever tested it
11:08:43pondlifeGodEater: Could you perhaps open a bug on FlySpray for the keyclick-on-PP issue?
11:09:00pondlifeI'd do it myself, but I've not heard the noise... ;)
11:09:15pondlifeWoo! Buildy!
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11:09:33GodEaterpondlife: let me be a good little tester and confirm it in the latest build first ;)
11:09:38pondlifeNatch
11:10:59markunpondlife: which "non-button control" are you talking about?
11:11:10pondlifeThe touch-sensitive sort
11:11:20GodEaterwhere there's no tactile feedback
11:11:23pondlifeYep
11:13:56markunI wrote some code to read X and Y values from the cross (-6 to 6) and still hope we can use it in a nice way
11:15:14linuxstbGodEater: No, I've never tried it...
11:15:22markunit can also resturn a 'pressure' value
11:16:26LinusNhow does the cross work with the OF?
11:16:32LinusN(never used it)
11:17:01markunLinusN: you can jump to some areas (file browser, menu) by sliding on the cross
11:17:11LinusNoh
11:17:35markunand you can influence the acceleration by moving on the cross
11:17:41LinusNwould be cool if ff/rew worked faster the harder you push :-)
11:17:48markun(slow down by moving more to the center)
11:18:03GodEatermarkun, sounds nifty :)
11:18:33markuntalking about ff/rew: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/fluent_accel.diff
11:19:11markunanyone care to try thest this patch?
11:19:29markuntry thest -> test
11:19:36GodEatera, build is done
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11:21:44rasherZagor: what happened to the "quite slow, but working" usb support you were considering?
11:22:45GodEaterpondlife: can't get the screech any more
11:22:57GodEaterbut I do get the occasional actual beep, rather than a click
11:22:57*Nico_P thinks cabbie v2.0 looks much better with HelvR12
11:23:04Nico_Pon the gigabeat
11:23:07pondlifeGodEater: You already said that, then it came back.
11:23:24ZagorI got some problems with that too. and for the last month or so I have had zero time to work on it :-(
11:23:43GodEaterpondlife: well I can keep testing I suppose
11:23:52pondlifeOr just use it
11:23:53GodEaterbut I feel wrong opening a bug report for something I can't currently reproduce
11:24:03pondlifeMy point exactly
11:24:18rasherZagor: Ah, pity
11:24:31*GodEater hangs his ipod by accidentally going into the recording menu
11:25:13ShaidI've done that :)
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11:26:00GodEaterit's bloody annoying
11:26:15*GodEater wishes the ipod's recording menu was a special build
11:26:22pondlifeIs that a keyclick thing, or does it always do it?
11:27:11pondlifeRecording works ok on H300 with keyclick.
11:27:14GodEaterit's "always" done it in the sense that it happens a lot
11:27:22GodEaterbut not absolutely every time
11:27:27GodEatersometimes I can get out of it again
11:27:48caxhi, I just wanted to know whether anybody is working on making USB not only charge batteries, but transfer files as well. If I understand it right, this is the only thing that prevents Rockbox from being totally independent from the OF.
11:27:50GodEatersorry, I just can't live with the keyclick thing
11:28:12GodEatercax, that's the plan, but no-one's working on it at the moment due to lack of time
11:28:30PaulJamhm, somehow i'm not sure if it is a good idea to commit a buggy feature which can potentially damage your hearing. i don't think everyone reads the changelog and gets the the warning.
11:28:49GodEaterPaulJam: if they don't read the changelog, they won't even know it's there
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11:29:21pondlifePaulJam: The bug is in there regardless of the feature...
11:29:34GodEaterI'm glad it's disabled by default though - I don't like it personally
11:30:07PaulJamGodEater: what if a (new) user just browses the settings.
11:30:47pondlifeI could ifdef it out for PP targets, but (a) I don't like #ifdefs and (b) it'll never get fixed
11:30:50GodEaterPaulJam: well it's as pondlife says - the bug is there regardless...
11:31:41caxGodEater: so nobody ever worked on file transfer ? No half-working patch, no attempts to adapt code from other projects, nothing to start with ?
11:31:57GodEatercax, yes they've worked on it - it just doesn't work yet
11:32:33*markun points cax to Zagor
11:32:52*GodEater doesn't, since the reason it's not working is because Zagor is too busy with other stuff...
11:33:00amiconncax: The problem isn't the code - the problem is getting the (undocumented) hardware to do what it should
11:33:52caxamiconn: so it's again chip/player specific and cannot be done once and for all targets rockbox supports ?
11:34:07GodEatercax, very much so - at the moment it's portalplayer specific
11:34:15GodEatera lot of our targets don't even allow software usb at all
11:35:06pixelmapondlife: what if people randomly try out things (as PaulJam said), especially since this feature is not documented...? ;)
11:35:39pondlifeI'm not overly concerned, but then I've not heard the noise
11:35:43rasherI very much agree with PaulJam.
11:35:54pondlifePersonally I'd prefer to have pcmbuf fixed
11:36:05pondlifeFeel free to #ifdef out PP if you wish though
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11:36:21amiconnHow would that feature be able to damage your hearing??
11:36:31rasheramiconn: it outputs garbage on PP targets
11:36:37GodEateramiconn: try it and see =/
11:36:45amiconnSurely it can't screech louder than what your current volume setting allows
11:36:59GodEaterI'm not sure it'll actually damage your hearing, but it's very unpleasnt
11:37:13pondlifeSo fix the bug ;)
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11:37:36GodEateramount I understand pcm is −−-> <−−-
11:37:37pixelmasome people tend to listen at too high volumes...
11:37:52GodEateryou'd be tearing your earphones out in a hurry
11:37:53rasherMaybe they're listening to a silent song
11:38:00GodEateryou could thump the person on the bus next to you....
11:38:07amiconnWell, I can't try it now, but I always wanted some feedback from the nasty scroll wheel
11:38:09pondlifeThink of the lawsuits!
11:38:25amiconnWould be nice to have the option to use either pcm or the piezo
11:38:43pondlifeDo all PP targets have a piezo?
11:38:47GodEateris there a piezo in sansas ?
11:38:56pondlifeMaybe pcmbuf_beep could redirect to that?
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11:39:58pixelmahaven't heard anything clicky with the OF on c200 at least, don't know whether the scroll wheel Sansa is different there
11:40:24GodEaterthe c200 doesn't have a wheel ?
11:40:45*GodEater peers at the picture on the current builds page
11:40:46pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-250003
11:40:47linuxstbpondlife: The piezo is ipod-specific. AFAIK all ipods have it.
11:40:54pondlifeAh, ok
11:41:21*GodEater turned it off while he was still using the OF
11:41:22amiconnpondlife: Afaik, only the ipods have a piezo
11:41:24pondlifepiezo would be better as that wouldn't be affected by fades/voice etc.
11:41:49LinusNdidn't we have a patch for that?
11:41:59GodEaterwe do
11:42:14amiconnThat patch was a hackish one iirc
11:42:47GodEaterhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111
11:43:13GodEaterlast updated 23 Nov
11:43:24GodEaterwell - last commented on then
11:43:35LinusNhow was it hackish?
11:43:42*rasher gets a mail from someone wanting to translate into arabic
11:43:59pondlifeWho owns a PP target and knows pcmbuf well? I can only think of jhMikeS; any other volunteers?
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11:57:16Bagderand of course the top-post thread took off...
11:58:06GodEaterBagder: I think you need to take a stand on this now. And just start removing people from the list who choose to argue about it. It's been said enough times that the rules aren't up for discussion.
11:58:36LinusNi'm not sure i agree
11:58:49BagderI think we should let this settle again first and see what happens
11:58:52LinusNsure, top-posting is a nuisance, but it's not the end of the world
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11:59:33LinusNi feel the same for the forum rules
11:59:57LinusNit's not a good thing to be known as a "hostile" community
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12:00:24*GodEater sees little point in *having* rules if they're not enforced
12:01:02LinusNi agree, but you also have to pick your fights
12:01:45pondlifeI've been on enough unruly forums for this lifetime and am happy to see zero tolerance on enforcement. Maybe in this case the rules are wrong?
12:02:43LinusNthe rules are good in both cases
12:02:57LinusNthe problem is that the users don't see the whole picture
12:03:08LinusNthey don't see the value in searchable archives
12:04:11GodEaterBagder: btw - hopefully my build server should resurrected sometime this week
12:04:18Bagdergreat
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12:06:07Imaginativeonewhat IS rockbox?
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12:06:57linuxstbNow he'll never know...
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12:08:35peturI'm sure he'll imagine something....
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12:11:03LloreanJust voicing late, I do agree that one problem is that you really can't explain rules and expect everyone to understand why you've chosen them as "the best rules for the job"
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12:11:34LloreanAnd I do agree it's not beneficial to have a reputation as being a bit of a "hostile" community, but I mean, honestly, we're far from "zero tolerance" as it is, at least in the forums.
12:12:33LloreanBut you can't choose to ignore some rules violations, without people saying "well why didn't you complain when he did" so I'm not sure as to the solution. "Friendlier" warnings, but then actually enforce the rules more often when the warnings get ignored?
12:13:19Lloreanon an unlrelated note: Bagder: generally speaking, how much upload speed would be desirable in a build server?
12:13:24Lloreanunrelated
12:14:15Bagderwell, the more the better ;-)
12:14:28BagderI'm not sure where the limit actually goes
12:14:50peturhmmmm only 11, I thought there were more (15? 16?)
12:14:56pondlifeCould VMWare be used to make a build server?
12:15:03GodEaterno reason why not
12:15:30pondlifeI'm on limited upload bandwidth though - 256kbps
12:15:47GodEaterthat's enough to upload a couple of megs
12:15:54LloreanBagder: Well right now, I have a very slow upload, but I'm possibly moving soon, so I'll be shopping for a new ISP and was wondering what might be a good minimum to look for if I wanted to host one.
12:15:55GodEateryou don't need bags of bandwidth
12:16:03peturanother 3 months and I might have 512kbps uplink... maybe it starts to become usable?
12:16:08caxI see a very promising "USB-file transfer-and everything else you can imagine" chat in IRC log, dated 16/10/2007, and then a lot of various issues popped out... I think if there exist some show-stoppers, it would be better not to put them on hold, but to share with the community, maybe somebody else can solve these culprits
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12:16:31Bagder512kps should indeed be workable
12:16:34GodEatercax, the irc log *is* sharing it with the community
12:16:58rashercax: I do believe the code is also in flyspray
12:17:13BagderI have a 1mbit adsl upload for my host, and my is among the top builders
12:17:35LloreanAlright then, I'll probably be setting up a built server come summer then.
12:17:47linuxstbMine is 512kbps, but I think is amongst the bottom...
12:17:58pondlifeI'll try now...
12:18:25BagderI think what I'm saying that 1mbit is quite enough and more speed isn't really gonna make much of a difference
12:18:46pondlifeBagder: Where did you put those instructions for setting up a build server?
12:18:46Bagdersince we have MUCH faster connected hosts too and it isn't noticable
12:19:00pondlifenm, found it
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12:19:34peturto have 1mbps uplink would cost me about 20 euro/month *extra* :(
12:19:38rasherBagder: how does the system cope if a host goes missing?
12:19:46rasher(as in not always-on)
12:19:56Bagderrasher: it'll just skip it
12:20:09Bagderit currently has something like 18 servers it tries to use
12:20:15GodEatermy upload speed is 768kbps - seemed good enough for me
12:21:52peturnet access is way too expensive here (for what they offer)....
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12:26:15*GodEater pays £19.99 a month for 8Mb/s down and the already stated 768kbp/s up
12:26:33GodEaterand no limits on usage
12:27:45*petur pays 42 euro for 10mbps down 512kbps up, 12GB limit
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12:33:05Nico_PI've made some changes to cabbie v2 for gigabeat: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/dump%20080121-122949.bmp and http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/dump%20080121-123018.bmp
12:33:06Nico_P what do you think?
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12:34:17Nico_Pto be compared with http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS#240_x_320_16_bit_colour_Toshiba
12:34:59Nico_Pback in a few minutes
12:39:12pixelmaeven smaller font... though the line with the date at the top of the svn cabbie2 is also weird. But I guess you'd ask the creator.
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12:44:35markunNico_P: you use helvR12, right? Which one was used originally?
12:48:27Nico_Pmarkun: yes, HelvR12 instead of HelvR14
12:48:57Nico_Ppixelma: I found HelvR14 too big (and weird looking too). The ipod 5G version uses HelvR12 too
12:49:13linuxstbIs there a reason only one version of Cabbiev2 uses the mix12 font? Or is it just that different people did different ports?
12:50:43Nico_PI guess it's just different ports
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12:52:08Nico_Phmm nimbus 14 is smaller than HelvR12
12:52:59amiconnLlorean: My build server only has 384kbps upload speed available, which is ok-ish
12:55:16pixelmaNico_P: font size seem to be a very personal preference, I've seen nimbus-19 on an Ipod Video display and didn't think it was too big - linuxstb said that the Gigabeat's display has similar sized pixels if not a tiny bit smaller ones
12:57:45Nico_Pyeah it is very personal indeed
12:58:22Nico_PI find the current gigabeat version too cluttered
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13:01:51linuxstbGiven the theme's purpose (a default), I think it would be better to go for larger fonts - I don't know about other OFs, but at least the ipod video's OF uses a relatively large font. Something similar to the OF would seem sensible.
13:05:26Nico_Pso you think the video version should use HelvR14 too?
13:05:33LloreanYeah, while I prefer smaller fonts, I think our font needs to be medium-to-large for the default
13:07:06markunNico_P: I use 9+18x18B but maybe that's really too big
13:07:35linuxstbIdeally I would like a larger font in the menus/file browser, and smaller fonts in the WPS...
13:07:36markunI tried to generate a bold version of HelvR12, but nothing looked really nice
13:07:42*linuxstb pokes markun and mentions multifonts ;)
13:08:23markunlinuxstb: don't expect much from me in the following weeks. I'm trying to get back to studying :(
13:08:33Nico_PIMHO HelvR14 looks like a badly scaled version of HelvR12
13:10:00linuxstbmarkun: I know the feeling, this month is too busy for me to do Rockbox things as well...
13:10:11Casainho_Hi there! I have question... I am thinking on porting RB to the hardware of Rockbox Player... I don't need a bootloader... what should I do next? - I think that should be writing drivers... for what drivers should I start doing? anyu adices? :-)
13:10:19Casainho_any advices?
13:10:54linuxstbI'm sure you will need a bootloader...
13:11:01BagderCasainho_: try the NewPort page
13:11:35Bagderreading buttons, use lcd and reading the flash (for fs) are usually high prio
13:12:26Casainho_Bagder: I read and finish on page PortingHowTo, and finish that page also
13:13:01Bagderso why don't you need a bootloader?
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13:14:04Casainho_I am thinking in make a plan for porting, I need to know what should be the first steps, first drivers... - first first, I plan to do a blink led using RB kernel...
13:14:33BagderI wouldn't do it in that order
13:14:45BagderI would start with making a bootloader
13:14:48Casainho_Bagder: Bootloader or not bootloader? reading the some TWiki pages about develop a new port, write a bootloader is the first task. I tried to figure out if there will be the need of a bootloader and talked on IRC, It looks like will not be necessary because the AT91SAM9260 already have one in his ROM Cheesy - It can bootload by USB, serial port, JTAG and others options. About that bootloader: The
13:14:49Casainho_ SAM Boot Assistant (SAM-BATM) software provides a means of easily programming different Atmel ® AT91SAM ARM ® Thumb ® -based devices. It runs under Windows®2000 and XP.
13:14:51Casainho_Communicating with the target device may be done through an RS232, USB or JTAG link.
13:14:52Casainho_Ready more here: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/...rod_documents/doc6132.pdf
13:15:01Bagderwhoa
13:15:39BagderI won't tell you what to do, but that's surely an odd decision imho
13:15:43Casainho_Bagder: sorry, I did wrote that on forum, you should not read because of no notification on EDIT posts
13:16:15Casainho_Bagder: what is you opinion? - please say, advice :-)
13:16:23Bagderwrite a bootloader
13:16:28Bagdermake the device start up to run that code
13:16:42Casainho_well, I don't understand the need of a bootloader...
13:16:43markunmaybe using u-boot as a bootloader would be an option
13:16:46Bagdermake the bootloader load rockbox from nand, then execute rockbox
13:16:58Bagderyes, u-boot is a very good idea
13:17:06Bagdersince it probably is more or less working on that board
13:17:12markunI hope it fits in the 16K flash
13:17:18Casainho_I have no experience... I don't know...
13:17:20Bagderuhm
13:17:30Bagder16K for u-boot is... gonna take some major stripping
13:17:50BagderI've used an older version and I was at ~90K iirc
13:17:51markun(there is only 16K, right?
13:17:57Bagder(on arm9)
13:18:35BagderCasainho_: the rockbox image lies on the nand in a fat file system
13:18:41BagderCasainho_: how will rockbox start?
13:18:44Casainho_can't I upload the code by JTAG and put it running?
13:19:02Bagderyou gonna carry around a jtag programming device?
13:19:11Casainho_oh, I thought It was a "normal" .hex file...
13:19:21Bagderwhat?
13:19:52BagderI doubt your mcu can load and execute images from fat32 on the nand
13:19:53Casainho_well, in AVR8 bits that I use, I build with GCC-AVR and upload to the MCU, a .hex file...
13:20:10Bagderyou still talk about development
13:20:17BagderI speak of actually running rockbox on the target
13:20:31Bagdersince that's what you're about to develop
13:20:42Bagderwith no upload, no jtag, no cables
13:20:46Bagderjust flash and mcu
13:21:01Bagderhow does the mcu start rockbox?
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13:21:22linuxstbCasainho_: Most targets will have a first-stage bootloader, then the Rockbox bootloader, then the main Rockbox firmware. This is normally to a) enable dual-boot with the original firmware (not an issue for you); but also b) to make it easy to upgrade Rockbox (bootloader installation is normally more work than just unzipping a file).
13:22:11Bagderremember that rockbox gets updated very frequently so you want to make it easy to just unzip a fresh release
13:23:01Casainho_I am busy but reading
13:23:24Bagderin fact, I would do it this way:
13:23:37Bagderfirst level bootloader, just loads u-boot from somewhere and executes it
13:23:55Bagderu-boot being second level bootloader would then read rockbox from fat, and allow tftp etc
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13:57:24BagderCasainho_: but you still haven't answered my question. Can you see any alternative to booting from the dataflash in the rockboxplayerv1 ?
13:57:25pondlifeBagder: I've got VMWare set up and able to compile Rockbox. Could you help me (a total Linux n00b) towards making it a build server?
13:57:26Bagder(bloody splits)
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13:57:40Bagdercan't do that now, I'm about to dash off to have an afternoon with Rex, 15 months :-)
13:58:00pondlifeOK no worries
13:58:03linuxstbpondlife: Can you ssh to your vmware box from the internet?
13:58:42pondlifelinuxstb: Not sure... try it perhaps, although I might need to forward ports.
13:58:48linuxstbI don't know how your vmware is setup, but I normally give vmware a static IP address, and then you can port-forward to it.
13:59:07pondlifeWell, the PC it's on has a static IP
13:59:10*Bagder aways
13:59:26pondlifeWhat's the Linux command to find out the IP address?
13:59:29peturpondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildServer
13:59:33GodEaterpondlife: ifconfig
13:59:35pondlifeYep, read that
13:59:36linuxstb/sbin/ifconfig
13:59:41Casainho_linuxstb: can you please see this? : http://atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc6132.pdf
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14:01:56linuxstbCasainho_: What about it? That seems to be a Windows application...
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14:03:30Casainho_ - Performs in-system programming through JTAG, RS232 or USB interfaces
14:03:31Casainho_- Target device memory control: read, write, erase, configure, verify, etc.
14:03:33Casainho_It lloks like the software for PC to boot the MCU!!
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14:03:56Casainho_MCU have a bootloader to use that Sam-ba
14:04:45linuxstbI'm guessing all that does is to upload an application onto the device (via usb/serial/jtag boot), and then communicates with that application. Similar to e200tool.
14:05:29Casainho_so, should be the need of one bootloader?
14:05:34Casainho_bootloader for RB?
14:07:54Casainho_I think it can upload the application to device and after the device run application.... could RB run like that?
14:08:12GodEateryou'd want to do this whenever you turn it on ?!?
14:09:47Casainho_GodEater: no, I belive that I can write the application on flash mem
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14:11:01GodEaterthen I'm not sure what you're asking
14:11:27pondlifeHmm, I've knacked my VMWare <-> Debian network connection :/
14:12:05pondlifeReboot it, I guess...
14:12:05GodEaterwell done ;)
14:12:27XavierGrCasaihno: from my understanding AVRs and maybe more atmel chips, have have various ways to program them. ISP, high voltage serial programming, jtag etc
14:12:50pondlifeI assumed that putting back the original address/mask would be enough...
14:13:11XavierGryou could of course program rockbox with one of these methods programming it with a binary hex file, but this won't be practical for every day usage
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14:13:56Casainho_eheh, I am a bit loose here :-)
14:14:04XavierGrbecause all these methods are for developers
14:14:41XavierGrCasainho: many avrs have bootloader capability meaning that you can program the device with a binary hex file that will be the bootloader of the device
14:15:37XavierGrthen the bootloader can load further code (if you instruct/program it the right way of course) to make e.g run rockbox from a flash disk or hard disk (depends on your peripherals)
14:15:46Casainho_I just know that the system can boot from Flash on board... and that flash can be programed by JTAG, USB, RS232...
14:16:03Casainho_I don't understandt how to boot Rb :-)
14:16:08XavierGryeah it can be programmed, but that isn't practical
14:16:32XavierGrit is not practial to connect your hardware on jtag or rs232
14:16:58linuxstbCasainho_: booting Rockbox is the bootloader's job... You write a bootloader that you program (once) into the flash, then install Rockbox itself on the FAT32 filesystem.
14:17:20linuxstbThe bootloader is just a cut-down version of Rockbox, with LCD/disk/FAT32/button etc drivers
14:17:25XavierGrit is much simpler to write a good bootloader, program it once with jtag, rs232, parallel, etc and then just update using usb or something like that (the bootloader then should load the code to your hardware)
14:19:14Casainho_so bootloader + RB will reside in the same IC flash?
14:20:15XavierGrfrom my understanding flash should have only the bootloader, then load the rockbox binary to sram
14:20:52XavierGrbut yeah you could have both of them in flash, but that would require to enable the rockbox flash plugin for your target
14:21:31XavierGrfor starters try to make a bootloader that will load code from your peripherals, (if you have at this point)
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14:26:03XavierGrjeesh what a ride, these netsplits are humongous!
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14:27:46Casainho_XavierGr: I just have an LCD, I will buy the dev board soon - I have all documentaiont, datasheets :-)
14:29:32Casainho_where can I put long text descritpiton? pastbin?
14:30:28Casainho_ah, okok : http://pastebin.com/m187cbe52
14:30:40Casainho_XavierGr: can you read that pastbin?
14:33:17XavierGrCasainho: the I guess you are in a very early developing stage
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14:33:35XavierGrthe=then
14:33:48XavierGrI don't know if a bootloader will have any meaning for you at this stage
14:35:05XavierGrdoes the devboard has any USB interface ready?
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14:38:03XavierGrCasainho: I am reading the device description now...
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14:39:52Casainho_XavierGr: yes, the dev board have USB and serial port :-)
14:40:18Casainho_you can read more about what has been done and what is planned: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1
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14:42:11XavierGrdoes your devboard have any external sdram and/or nand flash for storage?
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14:43:44Nico_Plinuxstb: have you seen the comment I posted quite some time ago about your modified buildzip.pl for bmptar?
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14:44:01XavierGrCasainho: I see that this chip has an interface for external memory, if your devobard provides it and has the USB connections ready, you could indeed start writing a bootloader
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14:44:53Casainho_dev board have 2 flash memories :-) - one serial flash and other paralerl, nand flash
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14:45:50Casainho_and the MCU can boot from any of the 2
14:45:57markunand how big are they?
14:45:59XavierGrhow much storage?
14:46:23Casainho_well, the serial just 1M word
14:47:02Casainho_the other the other, 512 M bytes
14:47:10markunand word = 32 bits?
14:47:41markunthe Gigabeat has 1MB and that's more than enough for a bootloader
14:47:42Casainho_markun: no :-) weheh mistake
14:48:14Casainho_markun: the gigabeat have 1MB for bootloaer? where stays RB?
14:48:26markunon the HDD of course
14:48:50markunon most players we store rockbox on disc
14:48:56markundisk
14:48:58XavierGrCasainho: in your case you could store the rb firmware on the 512MB memory
14:49:49Casainho_well, I pretend to do a flash based player, could I done with just one flash IC? - that IC having the bootloader + RB?
14:49:57XavierGrso you need to program your device with a bootloader that will handle a simple lcd driver, button driver, minimal usb interface and a driver for your storage
14:50:55Casainho_XavierGr: okok, I think I am starting to understand... that bootloader will comunicate with FAT system on big flash IC...
14:51:19XavierGryes and load the rockbox firmaware to run it
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14:51:29XavierGrof course I don't know a thing about the details :P
14:51:51Casainho_but doing like this, I need 2 ICs :-(
14:51:58XavierGrthis is just some high level understanding from what I read
14:52:10Casainho_one for bootloader and other for FAT system.... :-(
14:52:17XavierGrbut your devboard already has them right?
14:52:20Casainho_or no?
14:52:33Casainho_but I want to do a chepa player!!
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14:53:03Casainho_well, how do Sansa work? - maybe It's possible to have bootloader and RB in the same IC...
14:54:11XavierGrI don't think I can help you further than that, but I am jealous of your devboard, you can have quite some fun with it :)
14:57:44Casainho_XavierGr: well, you can also jump to the boat :-)
14:58:09Casainho_is just a case to have money to spend for buy that tools, LCD, audio dac, dev board... :-)
14:58:13Casainho_I go lunch
14:58:17Casainho_that you all :-)
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15:11:08aliaskLooks like I've found out how to turn off the Gigabeat via software (and it doesn't need to just be "put to sleep" like the F/X)
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15:13:39GodEateraliask: and have you sorted out the interrupts too ?
15:14:49aliaskNope, I've been playing with them for about an hour, trying to replicate as much as possible from the example code (which is used on the imx31 dev board)
15:14:59aliaskBut no luck
15:16:29GodEaterand no sign of ptw419 ?
15:17:46aliaskI haven't seen him, and he hasn't replied to Nico_P's emails either, unfortunately
15:17:53GodEaterbugger
15:18:15Nico_Paliask: I sent the example code to jhMikeS and XavierGr
15:18:35aliaskAh good, I hope they have time to take a look.
15:18:39Nico_Pindeed
15:18:50Nico_Por that ptw419 turns up
15:19:48Nico_Ppixelma: do you have a WPS for the X5 or M5 that uses a backdrop in the rwps?
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15:48:53buckoHey, guys! I just bought a Sandisk Sansa (V2) and the retarded lack of use of the "track number" ID3 field is more than irritating.
15:49:26buckoI hear RockBox doesn't work on the V2, but forum posts seem to indicate it's possible it can be made to work. Does anyone know what skills are needed on that front?
15:50:30bucko(I think the SOC is different to any others that Rockbox runs on, but I didn't even know what a SOC was until yesterday...)
15:50:35pixelmaNico_P: I have one - still pretty basic but it exists
15:50:53Nico_Ppixelma: could you send it to me? it's to test the bmptar patch
15:52:05Febsbucko: you'll want to look at this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
15:53:00buckoYeah, I think I read this one. :)
15:53:57pixelmaNico_P: sure, have to make a nice package first though. It only contains 3 bmps altogether (main and remote backdrop, and a progress bar bmp which is even unused IIRC) but should serve the purpose
15:54:28buckoShould I just post to the thread and ask? The thread's a bit of a mess, and I didn't find even anything conclusive about if anyone's even changed basic test strings in the firmware.
15:55:08Nico_Ppixelma: thanks, and don't bother too much about the package ;)
15:55:13pixelmaNico_P: does the patch allow loading rwps and wps independently, I think this is possible currently.
15:55:31Nico_Pyes, it should work exactly the same as before
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15:56:39pixelmado you also need a config file?
15:57:39Nico_Ppixelma: not if you tell me which font to use
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16:40:04mf0102hey people, cool that you added a new theme (cabbiev2)!
16:40:42mf0102unfortunately, i think some files are missing, because "make install" says the following:
16:40:44mf0102cp: cannot stat `/home/michi/downloads/rockbox-bleeding/backdrops/cabbiev2.176x220x16.bmp': No such file or directory
16:40:44mf0102cp: cannot stat `/home/michi/downloads/rockbox-bleeding/icons/tango_small.bmp': No such file or directory
16:40:44DBUGEnqueued KICK mf0102
16:40:44mf0102cp: cannot stat `/home/michi/downloads/rockbox-bleeding/icons/tango_small_viewers.bmp': No such file or directory
16:41:01mf0102have i done something wrong here?
16:41:17amiconnDo you use svn or a tarball?
16:41:21mf0102tarball
16:41:30peturmaybe you forgot ../tools/configure?
16:41:38mf0102no, i did that ;-)
16:41:42mf0102everything else builds fine
16:42:10mf0102petur, however, i wrote "tools/configure" from the main directory rockbox-bleeding, is that okay?
16:42:13amiconnLooks like who added cabbie2 forgot to update FILES
16:42:47amiconnHappens every now and then. Using svn is recommended anyway. The alternative is waiting for someone to fix FILES, and hence the tarballs
16:43:08mf0102yeah
16:43:21peturamiconn: he did add *.bmp (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/FILES?r1=16126;r2=16127)
16:44:06mf0102i think that he just forgot to commit some bmp files
16:44:30amiconnpetur: But not icons/ and backdrops/ ...
16:44:41peturaha
16:45:23amiconnImo wps/, icons/ and backdrops/ should be moved into a (new) top-level dir "themes/"
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16:45:27linuxstbHmm, is that a good place for them? Shouldn't they be better somewhere under wps? (maybe renaming wps to themes) ?
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16:45:42linuxstb... what amiconn just said ;)
16:45:54mf0102;)
16:46:17linuxstbSeems the restoration of unifont.bdf lost the SVN history as well...
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16:50:08Nico_Plinuxstb: he shouldv'e copied the file
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16:51:42linuxstbNico_P: That's what I told him...
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16:53:52Nico_Phmm I think I've got it restored properly in my tree
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16:59:48Nico_Plinuxstb: seen my comment about wpsbuild.pl?
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17:01:53linuxstbNico_P: I've just read the latest comments now. (assuming you're talking about FS #6571 ?)
17:02:21linuxstbWhen you talk about backdrop, do you mean the WPS backdrop, or the main Rockbox backdrop?
17:02:31Nico_Plinuxstb: yes. I posted a comment quite some time ago about wpsbuild.pl not working correctly with rwps
17:02:39Nico_PI'm talking about the WPS backdrop
17:03:46linuxstbYes, I remember you mentioning it in IRC as well...
17:04:28Nico_Pwhat the script should do is create a tar containing the bitmaps for both the wps and rwps
17:04:57linuxstbMaybe the solution would be the ability to specify the bitmap location (tar file or directory) in the .cfg (or maybe .wps). So you would use different tar files/subdirs for the two different WPSs. (I'm assuming they share a directory at the moment?)
17:05:23Nico_Pyeah the wps and rwps share a dir
17:06:06Nico_PI like the idea of specifying the bitmap path in the WPS... could allow using the same bitmaps for multiple wps
17:06:17linuxstbThat's what I was thinking...
17:06:52Nico_Pbut I think we should keep it one change at a time... it's not really the same thing
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17:07:45rasherBagder: I expect that fixing the buildserver script to work with non-bash is as simple as using printf rather than echo in line 23
17:11:37Nico_Plinuxstb: do you think you could fix the wpsbuild.pl patch?
17:14:54linuxstbNico_P: So you think the .tar should contain both the main and remote bitmaps? Wouldn't two tars be better?
17:15:34Nico_Plinuxstb: currently the dir contains the bitmaps for both the wps and the rwps
17:16:03Nico_PI guess the easiest way is to do the same for now and allow more flexibility later on
17:17:23linuxstbBut aren't the .wps files loaded separately, meaning that the same (large) .tar file will be scanned twice?
17:17:45Nico_Phmm yeah, that's true
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17:20:34Casainho_:-) - I would like to know what this means "#define DRAM_START 0x31000000"
17:20:56linuxstbWhich part don't you understand/
17:20:57linuxstb?
17:21:06linuxstbDo you know #defines in general in C?
17:22:56Casainho_linuxstb: yes, defines yes :-) - DRAM_START?
17:23:19Casainho_thats a value for all archs?
17:23:25Casainho_the same vlaue?
17:24:30Casainho_I am reading: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/bootloader/main.c?revision=15721&view=markup
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17:28:49buckoHmmm, I've found some strings embedded in the e280's firmware.
17:29:27buckoIt looks like they're encoded in ASCII with a null after each letter and a double null after each string.
17:29:33buckoIs that UTF-16 or something?
17:29:45rashersounds like it.
17:29:52rasherIs there anything interesting?
17:30:07buckoWell, there's the strings it displays onscreen. :)
17:30:17linuxstbCasainho_: bootloader/main.c is the Coldfire bootloader (it should probably be renamed now - it was the very first bootloader, which is why it's called main.c). Other bootloaders are in other files (main-pp.c for generic portalplayer, ipod.c for ipod etc)
17:30:19buckoIf I can edit them and get them to take, it'll vbe a start.
17:30:45linuxstbbucko: Are you talking about the e280v2's firmware?
17:30:50buckoYeah.
17:31:11linuxstbThen yes, changing strings and getting the firmware accepted will be a good start.
17:31:15buckoThe forum thread seemed to indicate no-one could find anything in it, so I dug for a while to see what I could get.
17:31:33Casainho_linuxstb: I would like to know a good arch to look at for making the bootloaler for RB player
17:31:34CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
17:31:34*bucko tries to find something unique.
17:31:42rasherDidn't Bagder already crack this nut, or was that only for the clip?P
17:32:34buckoI don't know?
17:32:35linuxstbCasainho_: As you can see in that directory, the bootloaders are really quite simple. All the hard work is in the target-specific code in firmware/.
17:33:06linuxstbrasher: I didn't think it was 100% cracked. And I don't think anyone has tested his theories yet by running modified firmwares. But I could be wrong...
17:33:12buckoBadger details the firmware format on his /v2/ page.
17:33:51rasherbucko: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/12/05/i-solved-the-ams-sansas-firmware-checksum-puzzle/
17:34:16rasherlinuxstb: Ah, I guess it could be that it's just not verified yet
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17:34:58linuxstbrasher: He also mentions that there are some other still unknown fields in the header...
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17:35:17buckoLooks like these strings live outside of the checksum, too.
17:36:22linuxstbCasainho_: What kind of ARM core does your CPU have? (I'm assuming it's ARM....)
17:36:48*bucko crosses fingers and disconnects the Sansa.
17:36:50*linuxstb goes to read the wiki page...
17:37:22buckoWell, it's trying to update.
17:37:49buckoIt didn't die...
17:38:34buckoAnd the string I set didn't stick.
17:38:48Casainho_linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerV1
17:38:57Casainho_linuxstb: sorry, not mucjh to time to toalk
17:40:10Nico_Plinuxstb: does "wpsname.wps.tar" and "wpsname.rwps.tar" sound ok?
17:41:17Casainho_linuxstb: so, I drivers on firmware are realy importante...
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17:42:17saratogabucko: did you update the checksum after changing those strings?
17:42:21linuxstbCasainho_: Yes. I see it's an arm926ej-s core, so the code for the M:Robe 500 might be helpful.
17:42:39buckosaratoga: I ran the checksum.c over the file but it was unchanged.
17:42:48buckoI guess the strings are outside of the checksum range.
17:43:05Casainho_linuxstb: I will register that sugestion about M:Robe 500
17:43:22peturbucko: or you didn't save the file or you wrote the wrong file ;)
17:43:35buckoI only have one copy, and used File->Save in ghex. ^.^
17:43:36linuxstbNico_P: Maybe -wps.tar and -rwps.tar - two extensions can be confusing for some people (especially if the OS strips one of them when showing a file listing)
17:43:47Nico_Pok
17:44:51saratogabucko: is the string you changed within the range specified by the header's "checksum data range" field?
17:45:01Nico_Plinuxstb: ok, done.
17:45:09buckosaratoga: I'm guessing not.
17:45:18buckoIs that the only range which is actually written?
17:45:49saratogaBagder's blog suggests that the tool just scans the file up to the length specified in the header
17:45:54buckoI'm editing at around 0x00375f14
17:46:24saratogawhats the word at 0xc say?
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17:47:14bucko20D80100
17:47:18buckoI think.
17:47:37buckoghex2 seems to want to make the display 13 bytes wide, which is confusing me.
17:48:46buckoThe bytes are all in reverse (little endian?) for the values though, so I guess that's "really" 0001D820.
17:49:23saratogaso the header only covers the first ~ 120kb
17:50:03saratogais there anything interesting at 0x0001D820? maybe another header
17:50:05buckoThe string C\0o\0n\0n\0e\0c\0t\0e\0d appears nowhere else in the file, though, and I definately copied over this version.
17:50:14buckoI'll take a look.
17:51:23buckoHmmm.
17:52:25buckoOK, assuming my counting is right, there does look like /some/ seperation there.
17:52:32buckoSeparation.
17:53:27saratogaits possible the firmware file is several smaller files TARed together, each with their own header
17:53:28buckoThere's a tonne of nulls, with occasionaly small values in the middle, then that index seems to mark the start of some new code.
17:53:55buckoIt seems a bit odd: The firmware is 16MB and full of 0xdeadbeef padding.
17:54:28buckoThat sort of thing seems like a space saving technique, and they very definitely aren't trying too hard to save space.
17:54:47saratogaits not about saving space
17:54:55buckoThere doesn't seem to be a new header there, though.
17:54:59saratogaits about making an image that can be copied into a 16MB ROM space
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17:56:32buckoThere's all sorts of really odd stuff embedded; I think there's a slab of Microsoft code (PlaysForSure?) which mentions writing CDs.
17:57:24linuxstbIt's probably just a binary library from MS.
17:57:39buckoYeah.
17:59:50buckoOh; there's this "trailing 4 byte checksum" which this particular firmware seems to contain.
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18:03:51bucko0x0033DE00 seems to be the start of a new section just prior to the strings.
18:04:02buckoIt contains the string HEADER just after, which is interesting.
18:06:22saratogawhy do they use deadbeef as padding
18:06:27buckoWho knows.
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18:09:40buckoIt's definately cutting out early in the update - upgrading to a real firmware happens much slower, and has a success message (I didn't get one).
18:10:06Buschelsaratoga: you new low voltage experiment shows no saving in current consumption? this kind of differs from the former measurement
18:11:51saratogaBuschel: yes I think something is wrong with my testing
18:12:06saratogai may not have been doing it correctly
18:12:23saratogai need to figure out a way a way to read those registers and see what the inital values were
18:12:38Casainho_bye bey :-)
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18:13:06Buschelsaratoga: wasn't there some patch to do so? or was this for pcf?
18:13:22buckoInteresting.
18:14:40saratogaBuschel: i was just going through the register map for that chip and seeing what the voltage control registers did to power consumption
18:14:45bucko0x001DC20 is the start of a big mass of 0xff padding. The header checksum length is 0x001D820, and header length is 0x400. It adds up.
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18:27:09saratogabucko: it looks like 1d820 is just another header
18:27:17buckoYeah.
18:27:25saratogaif you go ahead another 0xc bytes, theres another length field
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18:27:32buckoThe first byte is (approximately) the distance to the next block of 0xFF padding.
18:27:35webguest94does anyone know if and when the archos 404 will be supported?
18:27:54buckos/byte/32 bit int/
18:28:11saratogawhich takes you to the start of yet another header
18:28:36Domonokywebguest94: as always no date.. and no one has begun working on this player..
18:29:41webguest94well the os source for it has been released.
18:30:06webguest94going on 2 years now.
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18:30:22Nimdaei think that was pretty well known, heh
18:30:26buckoI wonder if the first word is the offset to write to?
18:30:28saratogai think you can just walk the file by parsing the 13th byte in each header, then jumping ahead that many bytes and finally moving down until you read the nearest address with a xxxx00 location
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18:30:51saratogai did it 3 times in a row and each time i ended up inside a new header
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18:31:12krazykitwebguest94, well, if you want a port for the player, start it. ports are done by those with the player.
18:31:15buckoWhere's the second header?
18:31:18buckoUm, third?
18:31:39Nimdaeheh, i just updated rockbox, like the new cabbie2 theme, very close to the one i made and had been using for a long time
18:32:55webguest94i've never ported for non-computer components before.
18:33:23Nimdaethere's always a first time
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18:33:42saratogatheres a lot of headers, the file seems to be composed of ~100 to 200kb chunks
18:33:55buckoMmmm.
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18:34:17saratogaeach one starts with a header that tells how long it is, then theres some padding so that the next one is 2^8 aligned and finally a new header
18:34:55Nimdaejust out of curiosity, what are yall hacking?
18:35:04buckoSansa e280.
18:35:21Nimdaeah
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18:35:43saratogawhat i don't understand is why the padding is sometimes much larger
18:36:09saratogaat 68C10 theres a deadbeef section that lasts 0x19200 bytes
18:36:17saratogaand the header just points to the top of it
18:36:30buckoWorrying.
18:36:44saratogai don't know how you're supposed to know to skip past it aside from looking at it and realizing its giberish
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18:37:04*bucko redownloads the firmware and backs it up this time.
18:37:26saratogabut yeah, i bet you could edit that string you tried if you paged up looking for its header and then updated that checksum too
18:37:38saratogai bet it works the same way
18:37:49buckoI'm about to try that.
18:37:54buckoHence rdownloading. :)
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18:38:17saratogaand if not, you could pick two firmware files and compare headers, shouldn't be too hard to find what changes since theres so many headers to look at
18:38:28saratogaone of them is bound to give it away
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18:41:09buckoI set it to Cpnnected (+1 to 3rd byte), then added 1 to the third byte of the (I assume) checksum.
18:41:14buckoLet's see if it explodes.
18:41:46webguest94well, thanks anyways. gonna have to do some research.
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18:42:57buckoWell, no explosion, but no luck either.
18:43:24webguest94good luck with the sansa.
18:43:39buckoI think I'll need it. :)
18:45:41buckoAt 0x0030be00 there's exactly 0x100 bytes of 0xff in the middle of the 0xdeadbeef padding. I wonder why.
18:46:57saratogai wonder if the deadbeef padding is space for data on the flash memory
18:47:19saratogathats only stored after the OS is running
18:47:23saratogaonly thing i can think of
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18:48:25buckoHmmm.
18:48:36buckoThe media library and settings seem to be stored on the main flash, though.
18:48:46saratogaanyway, good luck bucko, and if you get anyway be sure to update bagder's checksum.c file
18:49:33buckoMmm, thanks. :)
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18:49:54buckoThe header at 0x33ddc0 (just before the text strings) appears different.
18:50:28buckoAt 0x8 it has the ASCII "HEADER".
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19:27:46countrymonkeyCould tasks 7578 and 7669 be closed as rejected?
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19:40:04phaxerany zune experts?
19:40:23phaxercan you use a Zune as an external USB drive on an XP machine?
19:40:26Bagderthis is rockbox, it doesn't run on zune
19:40:49phaxerI thought tha forum said it did... ;-(
19:40:52phaxersorry
19:41:19krazykitif it was supported, it would say on the front page, with the other targets
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19:42:16scorche|wphaxer: where did you see it say it did?
19:42:31phaxerI was mistaken... I guess it was wishful thinking
19:42:37phaxerwishful reading
19:43:12countrymonkeyLinuxspb: How did you make fs#7769?
19:43:12phaxercan the Zune be used as an external USB drive without Rockbox, out of the MS box?
19:43:18countrymonkeyLinuxspb: How did you make fs#7769?
19:43:28Bagderphaxer: that's off-topic here, try a zune forum
19:43:28countrymonkeySory for the double post.
19:43:54krazykitcountrymonkey, and neither time you got linuxstb's nick right ;-)
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19:45:47countrymonkeyWell...
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19:46:22*scorche|w starts chanting "tab complete..tab complete..."
19:46:42countrymonkeyabout what?
19:46:48JdGordon|wcuntrycunkey: well what? people's irc clients dont magically flash when the nick isnt spelt right...
19:47:14scorche|wJdGordon|w: the foul language isnt appreciated here! ;)
19:47:23Bagder... unless you have a nick people spell wrong 98% of the times so you have a custom pattern for the bad spell ;-)
19:47:23JdGordon|wtypos....
19:47:47scorche|wyou say soemthing badger?
19:47:58Bagder:-P
19:48:05krazykitcountrymonkey, it looks like he added a bunch of tex functions to all the targets' manuals, then added the actually text to main.tex (though i'm not familiar with tex)
19:48:06scorche|wregex is lovely for names
19:48:07JdGordon|wBagder: I have a quad core 3.2 and a dual core 1.8 which are on slightly faster upload than I have at home.. just need to get lostlogic to forward some ssh ports.. if you wanna use em
19:48:27Bagdersounds like good additions to the pool!
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19:49:07countrymonkeyfs#7669. My task numbers are always off by one digit in the hundreds place value for some reason.
19:49:29*Bagder goes to do what he actually was supposed to do instead of chatting here...
19:50:09jac0bwith viewports can you resize albumart?
19:50:39jac0bnm I figured it out
19:50:46scorche|wviewports is different than bmp resizing...
19:50:56jac0byeah I know
19:51:09jac0bI have bmp resize and viewports
19:51:19krazykitcountrymonkey, presumably he ran each string through the aoler translator and translated it that way.
19:51:45jac0bbut the albumart was looking bigger but I fixed it I just had to put 0's for the placment on the aa tag
19:51:53countrymonkeyOh, I thought he had a prog or bat do it for him.
19:52:12jac0bone more thing about viewports
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19:52:34jac0bwhy does my font has the default system font onthe menus
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19:53:58jac0bhow I edit the list fonts
19:54:38stelBuschel: my e200 flac test has just finished... 21:31:37 :-)
19:55:11scorche|w21 hours on a sansa?
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19:55:31countrymonkeyI'm buying one of those babies. Is it a c or e200?
19:55:34stelyepp, using Buschels patch
19:56:09stelcountrymonkey: e280
19:56:57countrymonkeyJust what I need. What p # is it?
19:57:28stelp #?
19:57:29scorche|wsearch..
19:58:31countrymonkeyI have no clue. I don't have much to search on. All I know is it increases bat life.
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19:59:08countrymonkeythx.
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20:04:22jac0bin the sim is there a way to refresh the theme without going thru the menu to reselect the theme
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20:12:06kugelturn it off
20:12:07rasherjac0b: no, but it's not a bad idea
20:12:40jac0byes it would be a great idea if I knew how to code
20:12:56*JdGordon|w really starting to not like how themes are handled in settings
20:12:59jac0bhey do you know about the viewport patchs
20:14:08jac0bmy question is there is a viewport_lists patch in the viewports patch page but there is also another patch called lists in viewports
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20:14:20jac0bwhich one should be used
20:14:54kugelJdGordon|w: Would be nice if you clear the dust in FS #8457
20:16:03jac0bkugel: that is my question
20:16:17kugelWhat?
20:16:18jac0bthat wasn't me but I have the same question
20:16:25linuxstbjac0b: FS #8457 replaces what was in the other task.
20:16:31kugelYou're not the only one
20:16:49jac0blinuxstb: thanks
20:17:00jac0bthat is what I thought but you never know
20:18:22linuxstbkugel: What do you mean? (about FS #8457)
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20:19:13kugelSee the latest comment
20:19:51linuxstbIsn't it obvious that the new version of the patch is the newest?
20:20:04kugelas well as "Cool!, does this require your patch on the viewports page?" from tdooke as of january 1st
20:20:05kugel14th
20:20:17DogBoyheh
20:20:22linuxstbReading the comments, I guess it's not obvious...
20:20:29kugeljup
20:20:53*linuxstb shrugs
20:20:55kugelfor me it was pretty obvious, though a definite answer is appreciated
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20:23:01JdGordon|w... going by the dates alone and the fact that if you try using the older one it obviously wotn work should have been enouhg for prople to figure out which one to use....
20:23:59*linuxstb has posted a comment to say that
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20:24:26linuxstbJdGordon|w: It could be helpful if you didn't just call every patch file "changes" though ;)
20:29:55JdGordon|wmeh.. yeah i guess so
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20:33:51kugellinuxstb: I don't wanna be picky, but generally supercede is wrong spelling ;)
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20:43:11markunWould it be an idea to add rockbox to http://openusability.org/ ?
20:43:50linuxstbkugel: I just copied the previous poster...
20:44:15kugellinuxstb: hehe
20:48:07Nico_Pmarkun: "Due to a lack of usability specialists, we currently don't add new projects to this list.", but the principle seems nice
20:49:11markunNico_P: yes, I read that just after I posted the link
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21:18:09Casainhohello :-) - I would like to know If there is any device that have RB with an ARM926EJ-S?? - someone told me about m:robe MR-500 but looks like It not use an ARM926EJ-S...
21:21:21markunCasainho: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320#DM320
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21:23:10Casainhomarkun: thank you :-) - I will try to learn to make the bootloader from that deviceson the list :-)
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21:25:12markunCasainho: what made you think the MR-500 wasn't ARM926EJ based?
21:25:53CasainhoI was reading on TWiki, and I saw something about TI and I didn't saw nothing saing ARM926...
21:26:26Casainholuckly I am seeing that should be a lot of code already made for this ARM :-)
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21:27:09CasainhoI am using a nokia color LCD... is there any device using that LCD? :-)
21:28:05markundo you know which LCD controller is used by this LCD panel?
21:28:42Casainhoeheh - I will search - wait :-)
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21:29:43CasainhoEpson S1D15G10
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21:32:43markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets
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21:33:16tnguyhey everybody
21:33:19markunthe iriver h1xx and iaudio m5 use the Epson S1D15E06, maybe it's similar (even though it's not colour)
21:33:25markunhi tnguy
21:33:35tnguyi have a quick question
21:33:46tnguywell a couple questions
21:34:46tnguywould rockbox play on my ipod through my car stero or am i going to have to stick with the regular stuff?
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21:35:41Casainhomarkun: thank you, I will find more info :-9 :-)
21:36:41scorche|wtnguy: that depends on how your car stereo interfaces with the ipod
21:37:06markuntnguy: here is some info on ipod accessories: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
21:37:15tnguyit plugs in to the usb type port at the bottom and i think it looks at the files that way so my guess is they need to be from itunes
21:37:53markunso the ipod is just used for storage and not for the actual playback?
21:38:22tnguyi believe so but im not sure
21:38:46tnguybut i have a feeling that it cant read mp3 files and stuff
21:38:56tnguyi guess i should contact jvc
21:39:14markunor just try it
21:40:02JdGordon|wtnguy: can you plug any mp3 player in? or is it only for ipods?
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21:40:49tnguyit only has the plug in for an ipod
21:41:23JdGordon|wtry it and see what happens...
21:41:31JdGordon|weither it works... or it blows up your stereo
21:41:38JdGordon|wor just doesnt work
21:44:22tnguyhaha yeah i guess i hope it doesnt blow it up i would be in trouble...
21:44:23n1sor it steals your car...
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21:46:42linuxstb_tnguy: The ipod "usb type port" is the "dock connector" - this includes many pins, including USB, firewire (on some ipods), audio line-out, and a serial interface for communications.
21:47:09linuxstb_tnguy: What gets displayed on your ipod's LCD when you attach it to your car?
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21:47:54tnguyit looks a lot like the disk mode screen except it says jvc and that you can disconnect when ever ready
21:48:34linuxstb_Then it won't work with Rockbox - your car interface is communicating via the serial port to display that image.
21:49:11tnguyahh ok thats kind of what i figured when you said there was a serial intercafe in the dock connector
21:49:21tnguyinterface... i cant type today
21:50:11tnguythat makes sense
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21:50:51tnguywell thanks guys this looks like a really good program and i would get it but that is one of my main uses for my ipod
21:51:06n1stnguy: you can dual boot
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21:51:13tnguyoh really?
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21:51:30tnguywell ill have to lookinto that
21:51:42linuxstbDoes your car stereo have any other inputs, such as a standard line-in?
21:51:43n1sall the details should be in the manual
21:51:43tnguyyou mean where i have both sets of firmware on it?
21:51:55n1stnguy: yes
21:52:20tnguyim not sure its been a while since ive had the head unit out
21:52:23n1syou flip the hold switch (iirc) to choose when you turn the ipod on
21:52:48tnguyoh thats pretty cool
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21:53:31tnguythanks n1s ill look into that tonight
21:55:51tnguythanks for the help yall
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21:57:20fyrestormrockboxutil wont load up apple 5g themes
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21:58:13scorche|wcorrect :)
21:58:26fyrestormbut the page is up
21:58:29fyrestormon the site
21:58:42fyrestormi thought thats how it worked XD
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21:59:37scorche|wno, the page is not up
21:59:40scorche|whttp://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16x
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21:59:52fyrestormits not?
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22:00:05scorche|wno it is not..
22:00:09fyrestormhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
22:00:12fyrestormim on it
22:00:30scorche|woh...that one...rbutil doesnt take the themes from that page
22:00:44fyrestormso where does it take it from?
22:00:52scorche|wthe page i linked
22:01:07fyrestormahh
22:01:08n1swhich isn't up ;)
22:01:12fyrestormheh
22:01:18fyrestormcabbie2 is nice
22:01:29fyrestormi made a remix of slant
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22:39:05peturcan somebody refresh my memory? I just made an h300 sim from svn and it segfaults the moment I try to play a track. Been there but the reason escapes me :(
22:39:45rasherPlatform?
22:39:52peturubuntu
22:39:56rasher64bit?
22:40:01peturno
22:40:12peturx86 7.10
22:43:32n1smany things crash my 64 bit sim on ubuntu but playing tracks works...
22:43:53n1s(after the mp3 fix and the symbol clash fix)
22:44:15peturthe tracks are VBR if that would matter,...
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22:44:52n1si suppose gdb doesn't tell you anything useful...?
22:45:39peturgood idea.... I even recently installed a gui for it :)
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22:46:48n1sanyway goodnight.
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22:48:41eigmaBadger: ping
22:48:47peturmeh... doesn't make me much wiser...
22:48:56Bagdereigma: here!
22:49:06eigmawhat's a typical command line for "acbuild.pl"?
22:49:16Bagderuh, that's a bit tricky :-)
22:49:18eigmaI tried: ./acbuild.pl "2006-02-08 13:55:00" "build-h120:iriver H120 - Normal:rockbox.iriver:9\\n\\n"
22:49:28eigmait's at the top of the sources, it's giving some weird error
22:49:37eigmanow that I think about it, it may be the "dash" issues
22:50:12eigmahmm, nope
22:50:15eigmai get "Please select a supported target platform!" in the master buildlog
22:50:26Bagderyou use dash?
22:50:32eigmaI just symlinked sh -> bash
22:50:41eigmaso I should be fine as far as that's concerned
22:50:44BagderI see that the acbuild script runs echo -e, and we should change that
22:50:58LloreanIs there some good reason *not* to simply have the scripts explicitly use Bash, since it's at least "known good"?
22:51:00eigmaactually, I was planning on dash-ifying the whole thing but whatever
22:51:08eigmaLlorean: explained on mailing list afaik
22:51:19eigmaright now I just want to get my server building
22:51:21LloreanOn the mailing list, all he said was "it works on other non-bash shells"
22:51:22BagderI think we should just make sure to be nice on both dash and bash
22:51:33LloreanWhich isn't a reason not to use Bash, just a reason why we don't *have* to use bash.
22:51:38Bagderremoving echo options is the main problem afair
22:51:40LloreanBagder: Oh, I can agree to that at least.
22:52:08LloreanI was just curious if there was something "bad" about simply being explicit about it until it's "safe" for dash.
22:52:26Bagdernah, only on systems that have another shell than bash
22:52:35Bagderwhich I guess is rare in this context
22:53:37eigmaoh, lol
22:53:40eigma"9" isn't a valid platform
22:54:00Bagderoh, old comment! ;-)
22:54:08eigmacan I get a real life acbuild line from someone?
22:55:02Bagderssh -i privkey $ssh_port $sshopts $server "./acbuild.pl \\"$date\\" \\"$bu\ildline\\"
22:55:11Bagderiow, your line was right
22:55:18Bagderapart from 9 could be e200 or similar
22:55:24eigmaI mean, with date & buildline subbed in
22:55:28eigmaperhaps from some logs?
22:55:57Bagdermy $date = sprintf("%04d%02d%02dT%02d%02d%02dZ",
22:55:57Bagder $year+1900, $mon+1, $mday, $hour, $min, $sec);
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22:57:45Bagderan example date stamp can be taken from any build log
22:58:07Bagder20080121T155614Z like
22:58:08eigmafor future reference: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/dbg-20080121T155614Z.log
22:58:34Bagderah right and the date stamp is in the URL :-)
22:58:58eigmalol
22:59:09eigmaacbuild with a bad buildline rm -rf's eveyrthing in the current directory :(
22:59:20Bagderyes...
22:59:34rasherLlorean: actually, the script's using `` within perl, which is just executed by the default shell
22:59:37Bagderone of these days we'll cough up a better acbuild...
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23:00:05Bagderthe script could use printf instead of echo -e
23:00:16rasherShould.
23:00:20Bagdertrue
23:00:27eigmais acbuild in svn?
23:00:28BagderI'll edit the copy I host on the URL I posted
23:00:41rasherBut anyway, I see now that there's no easy way to specify bash
23:01:12eigmawhy don't we just popen from perl
23:01:24eigmano escaping crap to worry about
23:01:27eigmaless forkin
23:01:28eigma*forking
23:01:40eigmaand we get to check the exit code of configure
23:01:45eigmaand actually abort if something is wrong
23:01:46Bagderpopen is a fork as well...
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23:02:08Bagdertrue
23:02:38Bagderthere are several improvements that can be made in that script
23:03:23Bagderfor example. the user edits should've been put in a separate file...
23:03:37Bagderso that it would be easier to upgrade this
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23:05:34eigmathe PATH stuff should just be put in ~/.login or ~/.bashrc or whatever
23:06:00eigmamaybe export ROCKBOX_ACBUILD_CACHE=1
23:06:07eigmalike, doing all the configurable stuff via environment
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23:06:46Bagderthe ccache option isn't even needed these days
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23:07:13low_lightBagder: now the the m:robe 100 sim is functional, it's probably time to add the m:robe 100 to the build table (target, bl, and sim)
23:07:59Bagderlow_light: I'll be happy to!
23:08:43low_lightgood :)
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23:09:03Bagderrockbox.mrobe100 is the name?
23:09:38low_lightthe target build is rockbox.mi4
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23:11:09Bagderah of course
23:12:02Bagdereigma's server is now on board
23:12:38*eigma cheers
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23:13:00eigmabye guys, gotta go
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23:13:11low_lightUnless I missed it, I think rooklu owes us a "Ladies and Gentlemen..." email.
23:14:44Bagderwe need to teach him manners
23:17:00Bagderthree mrobe100 builds added to the list
23:17:11Bagderwe need a commit now to make the craziness start
23:17:30Bagdershould we make mrobe100 zips available?
23:18:06Lloreando we have a documented install process?
23:18:16low_lightno...probably not till buttons work
23:18:35Bagdertrue, let's wait for that
23:18:38LloreanI think we shouldn't make zips available until a "user" can use it. Meaning, document the install at least in the manual, and buttons work.
23:19:54low_lightThe install process is the same as for the H10
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23:31:01saratogaif i wanted to print register values in real time, what would be the easiest way to do that?
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23:31:41peturlike the i/o debug screen?
23:31:48saratogayeah like it does
23:31:53saratogacan that be easily modified?
23:31:57saratogaand if so where is it in the source
23:32:12saratogai want to explore the power management settings in the PP5024
23:32:17Bagderwhoa, no major breakage
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23:32:49peturapps/debug_menu.c
23:33:26*Bagder failed to add eigma's server properly though
23:33:35*petur didn't know his commit was going to test the build system
23:34:15peturthe build table now needs 3/4 of my screen width :)
23:34:39Bagderand there's more to come! ;-)
23:35:12countrymonkeyWhat is the mp3 player doing when I press select at the battery level under the rockbox info screen when it displays scanning disk?
23:35:34rashercountrymonkey: recalculating free disk space
23:35:47scorche|wtoo....many....prepositions....
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23:37:51*countrymonkey is sure scorche_w is crazy
23:38:31countrymonkeyand can 8465 have a look?
23:39:47peturis that nagging to have FS #8465 committed?
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23:43:17countrymonkeyYes.
23:43:22peturhmmm removing the LANG_PLUGIN_GAMES translation isn't really removing fluff, is it? I mean, the string is actually used and displayed.
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23:43:43petursame for _APPS and _DEMOS
23:43:45Bagder12 fine servers used
23:44:26peturnot bad
23:45:07Bagderindeed not
23:47:02countrymonkeyDo you mean from espanol.lang or japanese.lang? I removed everything that was untranslated.
23:47:18peturfrom japanese.lang
23:47:21countrymonkeyThat's to me fluff
23:48:02peturerrr.. I think LANG_PLUGIN_GAMES and co are used so why remove the translation?
23:49:00rashercountrymonkey: you removed some strings that were not untranslated (if you'll pardon the double negatives)
23:49:03countrymonkeyI'll be. I am not a careful person; must have missed those in my delete. The rest is fine, right?
23:49:18rasherLANG_SYSFONT_RECORDING_RIGHT
23:49:27peturand in espaniol.lang there's LANG_RECORD_TRIGGER_STOP of which you remove the translation
23:49:40countrymonkeyclose the patch; it's not worth it.
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23:49:52rasherAlso, you added a BOM at the beginning of the file
23:49:55peturrasher: the sysfont ones aren shown in unicode, right?
23:50:07countrymonkeyI'll make a new more useful patch.
23:50:08rasherpetur: Good point
23:50:20countrymonkeyI use notepad
23:50:25peturyuck
23:50:34peturget notepad2 or notepad++
23:51:30*petur reverts the lang changes and moves along...
23:52:24countrymonkeyI'll make a patch of a different perpose.
23:52:48peturjust fix the issues
23:53:13peturor better, somebody should translate the missing strings ;)
23:55:33peturshouldn't FS #8443 be closed now that cabbie is committed?
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23:56:29amiconnhmmmm
23:56:45*amiconn cannot add the M3 anymore ;)
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23:57:07amiconnThe build table would no longer fit my screen width ;)
23:57:13Bagderhaha
23:57:15peturhaha
23:57:31*petur hugs his 1920x1200 screen
23:57:41*amiconn is on 1400x1050

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