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#rockbox log for 2008-01-27

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00:16:08Lopin13You guys are still having problems reverse engineering the Creative Zen Vision M, right?
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00:19:05Nico_Psome progress has been made but no code runs yet
00:19:32Lopin13Well... I have one that runs with a busted screen...
00:19:40Lopin13Thinking about donating it to the cause...
00:20:23Nico_Pfor that you should go to the dedicated thread in the forums
00:20:54Lopin13Okay... I didn't know where to go... Thanks! ^.^
00:21:04Nico_P"new ports" section
00:21:16Lopin13?
00:21:35Lopin13Why new ports?
00:21:42BigBambiBecause it is a new port?
00:22:13Lopin13Well...
00:22:15Lopin13Maybe...
00:22:19BigBambiIt is
00:22:36BigBambiRockbox does not run on it, therefore an attempt to port rockbox to it is a new port
00:22:46Lopin13Okay...
00:22:50Lopin13I think I get it..
00:22:52BigBambiWhat else is it?
00:23:23Lopin13I don't know... That's why I came here... I'm trying to find a good home for my mp3 player...
00:23:37BigBambiTrust me, it is a new port
00:23:39Lopin13To see if it could help you guys get a port sooner...
00:23:46Lopin13Okay... I believe you... ^.^
00:23:47BigBambiAnd help is appreciated :)
00:24:32Lopin13I'm not very good with the coding, and definitely not good with the hardware, but I'm not going to be able to use it any more, so if one of your developers could use it, then I'm all for it...
00:24:43Lopin13It wouldn't have died in vain...
00:25:19BigBambiThere are some guys working on a new port of rockbox to the Zen Vision M, and it is they who would likely benefit from your kind offer. All their efforts are currently documented in the Zen Vision M thread in the New Ports forum, so if you post there asking if they would like it/if it would help, then they will be able to let you know :)
00:25:50Lopin13Okay... Thanks for the info! ^.^
00:25:57Lopin13I'll head over there now...
00:26:03BigBambiCheers :)
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01:06:22Benjghi all
01:06:27 Nick feisar_ is now known as feisar (i=jljhook@noppakerho.com)
01:06:32BenjgCan someone help me out?
01:06:46BigBambiOnly if you ask a question
01:06:51BenjgI am trying to get loader 2 on my ipod
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01:06:59Benjgusing this tut
01:07:07BigBambiWe do not support loader 2
01:07:10Benjghttp://www.ipodhacking.com/wiki/index.php/Install_Loader2
01:07:20BigBambiWe only support the official rockbox software
01:07:23BenjgAnd it does not work
01:07:25BenjgOh
01:07:41BenjgI just thought you guys might know how to get it working
01:07:51BigBambiIt is not our software, ask the iPodlinux people how to use it
01:07:59BenjgOk
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01:26:59filthpigis there some way to convert an entire folder from flac to mp3? I have approx 100 gb with flac, so it would be nice to convert all of it without human interference...
01:27:20BigBambiWindows?
01:27:35scorche|shthere are plenty of programs to do that, but they are all a bit offtopic for this channel
01:27:42BigBambifilthpig: Try foobar2000
01:27:50Slasherifrom linux that would be just a simple command line script
01:27:51BigBambiBut yeah, OT
01:30:15filthpigah, sorry
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01:38:26filthpigSlasheri, can I pm you?
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01:42:54Ihelp
01:43:27Ilook
01:43:35II did the bootloader
01:43:40Ibut the rockbox file name
01:43:44Iwas not .rockbox
01:43:53Iso now my ipod is stuck on the apple logo
01:43:56Ino disk mode
01:43:57markunI: just unzip rockbox.zip onto your player
01:43:58Ior nothing
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01:44:14markunhm, don't know how to enter disk mode on an ipod
01:44:20markunmaybe it's in the manual
01:44:34markunsearch for it or wait for someone who knows
01:44:49scorche|shhe quit from someone with the mane I
01:44:52scorche|shname
01:44:58markunoops :)
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01:47:41markunI: welcome back
01:48:35IThanks
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01:49:16markunhaha :)
01:49:27scorche|shI: hold menu+select to reset, then immediately hold select+play/pause
01:49:46scorche|sh...as it says in the manual
01:49:49markunscorche|sh: he's gone man
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01:50:27scorche|shoops :)
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02:01:35scorche|shi suck
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04:09:41lostlogichttp://www.lostlogicx.com/gallery/20080126_Rockbox_Party/1/cimg0042/
04:10:04midgeyimpressive
04:10:57lostlogicwe basically kick ass :)
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04:14:00scorche|shtallest tower ever!
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04:16:17XavierGrholy shit!
04:16:26XavierGrthat's a nice tower very tall... :O
04:18:31XavierGrthough I still prefer amiconn's & pixelma's tower, it is more robust and symmetric :P
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04:19:12scorche|shit is, but ours is taller :)
04:19:17scorche|shand you left..
04:19:26*scorche|sh goesback to beer adn tennis
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05:37:29kenailesi have an e250 v1 with a 4gb micro sdhc card. when i boot into rockbox, my player will freeze up and never get past the boot screen if i have the card inserted. if i boot up and then insert the card, everything is fine afterward. i have checked the rockbox forums and the manual but can't seem to find out if this is normal. is it normal?
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05:40:08psycho_maniacwhen was the last time you updated rockox?
05:41:42kenailes30 minutes ago
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06:56:36fabiolaanyone there?
06:58:40JdGordonnope
06:58:48fabiolalol
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06:59:30fabiolasince you're the only one out there
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07:00:03fabiolado you know about how to get the latest build on my toshiba?
07:00:21fabiolai mean running
07:00:31scorche|shlol
07:00:46scorche|shsorry...that wasnt me
07:00:53fabiolareally?
07:00:55fabiolaxD
07:01:02fabiolait's ok
07:01:15scorche|shjust extract the .zip right onto the root of the device
07:01:25fabiolasure i did
07:01:34fabiolabut i extracted and old version
07:01:40fabiolai tried to unzip the latest
07:02:03fabiolaand anytime i want to run any of the rocks (such as doom etc) says incompatible version
07:02:48fabiolaor codec error
07:02:51fabiolawhen i play songs
07:04:11scorche|shlol!
07:04:25scorche|shugh...ignore him
07:04:26fabiolanot you .......... again?
07:05:25fabiolaok from now on i'll ignore every lol from your nick
07:06:25scorche|shlmao
07:06:31scorche|shroflcopter
07:06:36scorche|shomg lol owned
07:07:08*scorche|sh sighs
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07:07:31fabiolawell like i was saying i have to go back to the oldest because i can't make the latest run, and i really want to have the latest
07:08:05scorche|shthe error you are getting typically occurs from not extracting the entire .zip onto your device
07:09:03fabiolayea i unzip the entire zip file, but when i unzip the latest for the toshiba it's missing the gbsystem folder and without it says the no system found on hdd
07:09:42scorche|shphtyobih8k
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07:12:38midkay2LOL scorche got owned
07:12:57fabiolahuh?
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07:16:27midkay2scorche is an impostor
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07:17:38midkay2scorche is a liar
07:17:43midkay2and he gives bad advice
07:17:46midkay2dot trust him
07:17:48midkay2I sweat
07:17:58fabiolalol sweat?
07:17:59fabiolahaha
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08:31:01Calcipherhey people, anyone around
08:31:12DogBoyyou are
08:31:13CalcipherI have been MIA since mid november
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08:31:50CalcipherI spent a few minutes reading the last few hundred commits haha
08:31:58Calcipherjust to catch up
08:32:19Calciphercrazy dev work got done since I last looked in
08:32:37CalcipherThink I'll check out the latest build
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08:47:00Calcipherwhoa, I can't find a simple rbutil dl link
08:47:11Calcipherlet me look deeper
08:48:32Calcipherfound it in rbutil section in the wiki
08:49:13Calcipherwould have thought it would be under extras in the download section, as I think I remember it being there before, I may be wrong though
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08:58:06shadowcodeHI all :)
08:58:59shadowcodeI have some questions.
08:59:27shadowcodeI am working on porting the RockBox to RockChip RK26**
08:59:50shadowcodebut I need some help
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09:02:10shadowcodethe RK26** is zsp400 architecture and the only compilers/assemblers I fount are the GreenHills MULTI but it is inposible to get it
09:02:13shadowcodeand
09:02:27shadowcodethe ZSP gcc
09:02:45shadowcodebut it to have been removed from the site
09:03:16shadowcodecen someone help ?
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09:04:27Calcipherhmm, hey has anyone tried using the latest rbutil to create talk files with default lame and SAPI TTS option? I get a TTS path incorrect error
09:04:40Calcipher"path to TTS is wrong!"
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09:06:59shadowcodemarkun do you have some info on this ?
09:07:59shadowcodethe last time you gave me a link to a pdf that mentiond the sdcc ?
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09:21:13CalcipherI wonder if anyone would be interested in having voice box have an option to include some metadata tags from music files rb supports, and have the parts of rb that read this data be able to have the info read, as an example when browsing the db, since it reads the info off the files ID3 or whatever tags the entries it finds have
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09:24:24CalcipherI noticed that while using the db, if you used voice box to create dir and file talk clips, the voice menu feature would accurately read out the artist name under the artist category, since its the same as the dir name the artist tracks are found in, all other information is read in the spelled out fashion if the option is enabled
09:26:23Calcipherallowing the inclusion of metadata in talk files would open all sorts of doors for expanding accesability features
09:28:14CalcipherI don't know how the system works so my suggestion be terribly flawed since I don't know if its possible to be implemented the way I am thinking, thats why I hope some bright and skilled devs could shine some light on my mystery
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09:42:41Calcipherif anyone has any ideas on my suggestion please let me know, I'll be afk so please leave a pm or something
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10:01:12linuxstbCalcipher: That's been talked about before, and there may even be a patch in flyspray that starts to implement it (IIRC, it generates the talk clips, but they can't be played yet)
10:06:47Calcipherwhoa, nice
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10:07:43Calcipherthanks for the information linuxstb
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12:08:13BigBambiCalcipher: By the way, the link to rbutil is in the manual
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12:50:10C30`Palanoidhi is buschel here? i wanna help out on the device disabling build tests. using a 4th gen grayscale ipod :)
12:52:10Horschtyou could probably try contacting Buschel on the forums via PM
12:52:21Buschelhi palanoid, yes i am here :o)
12:52:39Horschtor not :D
12:52:42C30`Palanoidlol
12:54:06Buschelyou could in fact help me with some information and maybe testing.
12:54:29C30`Palanoidive run battery benchmarks with both unofficial build 16150 and official 16170,and posted the result on the patch tracker
12:54:47Buschelyes, saw it. pretty good gain :)
12:55:13C30`Palanoidhehe
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12:55:30C30`Palanoidwhat info you need?
12:56:14Buschelcan you read out the register info out of "View i/o ports"? when using the patch? all the DEV_ stuff
12:58:34C30`Palanoidwhere can i find that info? is it in the ipod?
12:58:56BigBambiThe debug menu
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13:00:08Horschtso, Buschel. You are trying to improve battery life on ipods?
13:00:21Horschtall models, or only certain ones
13:00:24Buscheli already did ;-)
13:00:58Horschtnice.
13:01:12C30`PalanoidDEV_En: C2931977 ,DEV_EN2: 0000000,DEV_EN3: 0007003F,DEV_INIT1 0004000,DEV_INIT2: 00000000
13:01:16Buschelhorscht: in fact its about checking register of the PP-processor −− ipods use this use, but also H10 or Sansa's
13:01:48C30`PalanoidDEV_EN2: 00000000 sorry
13:02:10C30`Palanoidand DEV_INIT1: 00040000
13:02:14HorschtSo, I am looking on flyspray to find results :)
13:03:04Buschelpalanoid: can you build rockbox for yourself?
13:04:13C30`Palanoidknow nothing about it lol
13:04:32Buschelyou did use soap's builds?
13:04:32Horscht"Expect to see double digit percentage increase in battery life." nice.
13:04:48C30`Palanoidya the 16150M one
13:05:15C30`Palanoidusing it right now
13:05:20Buschelah, ok. then it'll be hard to check for further bits to disable...
13:06:54Horschtafter i've completely charged my 5th Gen Ipod, i'll give soaps build a whirl :)
13:07:02C30`Palanoidsorry :( i guess i didnt help much
13:07:45C30`Palanoidya go ahead! his build rocks
13:08:16Buschelpalanoid: of course you helped! you posted runtime results and you told me the default register settings (which show that only DEV_EN1 is of further interest)
13:10:03C30`Palanoidomg i read the value wrong. it should be C2831977 for DEV_EN1
13:10:13C30`Palanoidlmao
13:10:25Buscheleven better
13:11:02markunshadowcode: no sorry, I didn't find any free compiler either last time I looked.
13:11:36markunbut I believe the RK27** series is MIPS32 based which I think can be compiled with GCC>
13:18:14C30`Palanoidby the way buschel,do you and soap intend to make power saving builds for 3rd gen ipods?
13:18:54Buschelno, that's another (older) processor type
13:19:25C30`Palanoidic
13:19:28BigBambi1st - 3rd gen iPod already get better battery life than the original firmware
13:19:50C30`Palanoidoh! thanks for info
13:19:53shadowcodeHi all
13:19:53BigBambiThanks to reverse engineering by amiconn
13:21:05shadowcodeHow can i create a php page from MySQL I want to store the PHP code in the MySQL DB and create a PHP page from it.
13:21:11shadowcodecan you help ?
13:21:21BigBambiThis is well off topic
13:21:40Buschelpalanoid: could you also read out GPO32_VAL from the i/o ports debug menu?
13:22:01shadowcodeI just need some quick help
13:22:08BigBambishadowcode: Not here
13:22:20shadowcodeI have to do this
13:22:24shadowcodek
13:22:25BigBambiThis is a logged development and support channel for Rockbox, nothing else
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13:23:32shadowcodeI am working on porting RockBox to RK26** to is this count ? :D
13:23:55BigBambiWork on a new port is obviously on-topic
13:24:04BigBambiWhat is the RK26**?
13:24:21shadowcodeRockChip
13:24:34BigBambiAh, OK
13:24:35shadowcodeRockChip RK26**
13:25:01Bagdershadowcode: you actually done any work on that or just thought about it?
13:25:35C30`PalanoidGPO32_VAL : 02000000
13:26:20Buschelthanks,
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13:26:30C30`PalanoidNP
13:26:39C30`Palanoidooops caps
13:26:49markunshadowcode: until we find a free compiler there is nothing we can do
13:28:11Buschelpalanoid: this was 4G greyscale, not photo/color, right?
13:28:16C30`Palanoidright
13:29:30markunBagder: I saw some hint that the RK27xx uses a MIPS32 architecture and others that it uses ARM+DSP. Is MIPS32 a DSP?
13:29:54markunDoesn't look like it
13:31:12markunI should have bookmarked, now I can't find any info about rockchip and mips32
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13:32:54markunno, I got 2 CPU's mixed up.
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13:36:43SoapOk, Buschel, I'm about to exit windows land and reboot back into linux - what needs built?
13:37:43Buschelsoap: I'll update a patch after checking compilability (takes some time on my old machine). then an update is needed for 4G grey and ipod video
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13:46:53C30`Palanoidhey guys,will battery bench results be different if i set different mAh in Battery Capacity settings in the general settings menu?
13:48:53Bagdermarkun: no mips is a good old standard risc arch
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13:55:36kugelhello, rockboxdev.sh wants to download binutils 2.16, but i have allready 2.18 installed. do I need 2.16 specifically?
13:57:40n1skugel: Which target are you building for?
13:57:46kugelarm
13:58:44kugelthe wiki reads 2.16 too, I just wonder if I need 2.16 or it just hasn't been updated yet
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13:59:14n1sok, then I don't know, to build with 2.18 for coldfire the "linkscript" patch from FS #7832 is needed though
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14:00:38Buschelpalanoid: the battery capacity setting will only influence the displayed estimated remaining time
14:01:47kugelk
14:04:02preglowkugel: use what is stated in the wiki
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14:16:10Buschelpreglow: do have any idea how to find out, if the voltage supply for the WM-codec is just the digitanl supply or the analogue supply?
14:18:31n1spreglow: Testing latest snapshot of gcc4.3 main binary grows 3% libmad and Tremor doesn's build at O2 but everything seems to work now, with some small changes to the code
14:23:13n1stesting on h300 btw
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14:26:51przemhbhi all
14:29:16przemhbcould anyone tell me what may be a reason of an "Error: opening file: /rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" during make zip comand?
14:29:57przemhbthe same concerns nimbus-12.bdf and helvR10.bdf..
14:30:17n1sprzemhb: did you use svn to get the source?
14:30:23przemhbyes
14:30:34przemhbsvn update
14:30:36n1sdoes "svn st" say anything?
14:31:45przemhbwell... I use TortoiseSVN graphical interface and I'm not familiar with svn st syntax, but wait a moment...
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14:34:16przemhb(svn st is executing)
14:34:25Buschelprelow: hmm, when changing the WM voltage from 3V to 1.8V during playback volume gets down a bit. so I assume its either analogue or digital/analogue voltage supply. It's a pitty we do not have the datasheet for the WM8758 −− it's all about guessing.
14:34:48przemhbI've got a few modified files as I've got a few my patches applied to the source
14:35:35n1sprzemhb: well, it would be interesting if it told you anything about the font files
14:36:03n1sbut also it's strange that a regular make zip touches those since they are not included in the zip...
14:36:45pixelmaprzemhb: are you on cygwin? And is the error always the same, even if you "make zip" a second time?
14:36:54n1smeh, someone changed the script, i am out of date, it should actually include fonts for themes that are included...
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14:37:08przemhbpixelma: yes, I'm using cygwin
14:37:23przemhbyes, the error persists
14:37:37przemhbit is the same all the time, so I cannot make zp
14:37:46linuxstbn1s: So it includes all fonts, not just fonts for the default theme?
14:38:27n1slinuxstb: afaict it includes some fonts, which are used by included themes
14:38:48n1smy h300 zip includes 2 fonts for example
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14:39:51pixelmawould this change need a reconfigure? Not sure, since I can't remember having such a problem here...
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14:42:11linuxstbprzemhb: What line-endings (DOS or Unix) have you configured cygwin and tortoiseSVN to use?
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14:44:31przemhblinuxstb: I've got Unx line-endings
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14:45:34przemhblinuxstb: make worked fine for me up to now
14:46:36przemhband just a few days ago, when I tried to make zip it failed with the error message I've written above
14:46:38linuxstbprzemhb: Was that the _exact_ error message?
14:47:46linuxstbI'm guessing it was "Error opening file: .rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" ?
14:47:47przemhblinuxstb: "Error opening file: /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf"
14:48:00przemhbyes, it was
14:48:25linuxstbWhich one? /rockbox/rockbox or .rockbox ?
14:49:09przemhb"/rockbox/rockbox"
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14:49:17linuxstbOK.
14:49:36przemhbas I've got source placed like this
14:49:58przemhbinteresingly I've got the same error on another PC
14:50:02linuxstbDo you have that file in that location?
14:50:05woodensoulHey guys, how can i leave a message for Nico_P? I have some more info on a annoying playback bug.
14:50:10n1sanyone familiar with coldfire asm can tell me if this is illegal "move.l (%a2,%a0.l*4),76(%sp)"
14:50:15przemhbyes, the file is there
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14:50:39linuxstbwoodensoul: Is there a flyspray task for that bug?
14:51:06woodensoulYes
14:51:18linuxstbThen best to just post a comment there. I'm sure he'll see it.
14:51:28woodensoulI just wanted to bring his attention to the new info since I think he made the commits that caused the bug.
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14:53:43austrian_webguesHi everyone! Does anybody know how I can start another plugin from my plugin? I tried "plugin_start("/.rockbox/rocks/viewers/viewer.rock", "/.rockbox/foo.txt"); " but the compiler does not like it :(
14:53:50linuxstbprzemhb: What does "ls -l /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf" output?
14:53:54linuxstbaustrian_webgues: You can't...
14:55:00austrian_webguesWhy? I've seen some old code (~2006) that does exactly that..)
14:55:23linuxstbaustrian_webgues: Only one plugin can be loaded at once, so the act of loading a second plugin will overwrite the first.
14:55:37austrian_webguesHow can I get the textviewer to automatically display my .txt file?
14:55:46austrian_webguesIs there even a way...
14:55:52amiconnn1s: According to the programmer's reference manual (p.113) it should be allowed for ISA V2, but according to the execution times list in the MCF5249 user's manual it is not.
14:56:20linuxstbaustrian_webgues: What exactly are you wanting to do?
14:56:32n1samiconn is the 5249 isa v2?
14:56:39amiconnI'm not sure why; this instruction would need 2 extension words, which would be ok
14:56:43amiconnyes
14:57:14austrian_webguesI've written a little viewer plugin that opens a mp3 file, extracts the unsynced lyrics, saves them to a temporary .txt file and (should) open it with the viewer
14:57:14przemhb-rwxr-xr-x 1 quark Brak 21748 Oct 23 23:00 /rockbox/rockbox/fonts/nedore-9.bdf
14:57:47n1shmm, gcc4.3 spits out that line when building Tremor with O higher than 1 and as doesn't like it...
14:58:07linuxstbprzemhb: That's odd, my nedore-9.bdf is only 19184 bytes...
14:58:28amiconncrlf vs lf ...
14:58:48linuxstbYes, just realised that...
14:58:51amiconnTortoiseSVN is nasty
14:59:08linuxstbprzemhb said he had unix line-endings though...
14:59:12pixelmaprzemhb: this page suggests that you need to use crlf in cygwin too http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN
14:59:38linuxstbSo you can't configure TortoiseSVN to use Unix line-endings?
14:59:43pixelmabecause tortoise changes line endings in the checkout or so
14:59:45amiconnTortoise is not configurable, and always uses crlf
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15:00:05amiconnIt's a nasty piece of software, at least in conjunction with cygwin
15:00:47amiconnYou can use it if you configure cygwin to use crlf, but I would rather not do that, and use commandline svn instead
15:02:06linuxstbaustrian_webgues: That's not going to be possible, unless you add some code into core Rockbox to first call one plugin, then the other.
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15:04:11austrian_webguesThanks linuxstb, any suggestion what I could do instead?
15:04:39austrian_webguesI'd have to display it myself, including some scrolling code...
15:05:11austrian_webgues... which would be a lot of work for litte benefit!
15:06:12austrian_webguesOR I could copy'n paste the textviewer sourcecode into my plugin and let it do all the work
15:07:33*amiconn thinks some generic code for text wrapping and display in the plugin lib would be a good idea
15:08:05amiconnThe textviewer does more than that, though. It can also handle texts which are larger than the buffer
15:09:24przemhbpixelma: I have checked line-endings - my nedore-9.bdf is using CRLF
15:09:53linuxstbprzemhb: I would guess all your files are...
15:10:22przemhbpixelma: but changing to LF does not help make zip to be executed without the error
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15:11:13przemhblinuxstb:no, not all - I've took a look on some randomly chosen files - some are using LF and some CRLF
15:11:57linuxstbWhat about wps/WPSLIST ?
15:12:33przemhblinuxstb: CRLF
15:13:04linuxstbWhich ones are LF (for example) ?
15:13:48przemhbboxes.112x64x1.wps
15:14:12linuxstbDid you use the command-line "svn" in the past, and recently change to Tortoise?
15:14:24przemhbvoice_thread.c
15:14:47amiconnprzemhb: I'd ditch tortoise and use command-line svn for rockbox. It will save a lot of hassle
15:15:16*amiconn doesn't understand why TortoiseSVN isn't configurable for LF while TortoiseCVS is
15:15:23przemhbI've switched to Tortoise something like a half year ago
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15:16:24przemhblinuxstb: recently I was just using SVN update
15:17:34przemhbthat's the point - I am just doing svn update recently and on two pc's I get the same error
15:18:06przemhbmake executes fine
15:18:06linuxstbAs people have been saying, you have two choices: 1) Ditch tortoise and go back to the command-line svn; 2) Follow the instructions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN and configure cygwin for CRLF
15:18:22przemhbjust make zip started to produce the error
15:20:18przemhbI'll try, but I don't understand how this could happen
15:20:30pixelmamake zip didn't have to deal with .bdf files before
15:22:24przemhbOh - so that is the case!
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16:17:23shadowcodeWhat are the CPUs of the supported players ARM ?
16:17:35n1ssome of them
16:18:56shadowcodeand the other MIPS ?
16:19:00preglowm68k and sh
16:19:07shadowcodeis there some ZSP ?
16:19:10preglowno
16:19:22preglowi don't even know what that is
16:19:25shadowcodeso ARM and MIPS
16:19:36preglowno, arm, coldfire (m68k) and sh
16:19:37preglowlike i said
16:19:46shadowcodezsp are very good CPU s
16:19:57shadowcodek
16:20:03preglowsure, but i've never heard of them, and none of our targets have them
16:20:20shadowcodeI am going to get a player whit ARM so i cen compile some code for it
16:20:35shadowcodethe zsp400 is to closesource
16:21:53shadowcodesh ?
16:22:23preglowalso known as superh
16:22:34preglowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH
16:22:43shadowcodek
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16:23:02shadowcodewhat is the iPod cpu arch ?
16:23:24preglowipods, at least the ones we support, are portalplayer chips, which have a dual arm core
16:24:10shadowcodedual MACs ?
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16:28:14preglowmac?
16:29:19shadowcodethe dual ARM in the ZSP400 dual zsp is dual mac i dont know the trans
16:29:31preglowwhat do you mean by "mac" ?
16:29:35shadowcodehave any one seen ONDA players ?
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16:40:19sunjunhey, has anyone tested how much album art in wps affect battery life?
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16:43:58preglowi wouldn't think it affects it much, it should seldom need refreshing, after all
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16:52:26sunjunand what about treble and bass settings ?
16:53:08sunjuni was doing some battery benching, same playlist, 24 mp3 files in 192kbit on sansa e260
16:53:38sunjundefault settings, no wpd 16h40, simple wps with album art and -4db on bass i got only 15h
16:53:45sunjunno wps*
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17:15:43shadowcodeso if I get RockBox on a player I can code my own programs for the OS ?
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17:18:02krazykitshadowcode, yes, you can write your own plugins for rockbox, or change the core, if you so desire.
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17:24:02markunshadowcode: also the other way around: when you can get your own program on a player you can start to port rockbox.
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17:38:15mboathey guys, i have a quick question regarding track lengths on rockbox
17:38:41mboaton my computer and on the OF it shows the correct lengths, but they're incorrect in rockbox. any way to fix it?
17:40:13Learfile format? and how much wrong?
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17:41:31jhMikeSeek, that 3g phono jack module is a riduculous price for what it is. :\
17:41:36mboatmp3. the first song on one of my albums should be 3:06 but its showing as 1:02, then the second song is supposed to be 4:00 but its 5:20
17:41:55Lloreanmboat: Are they VBR MP3?
17:42:49mboatCBR
17:43:02LloreanWhat did you use to encode them?
17:43:43mboata program called "switch"
17:44:00LearEven if not VBR, it could have an incorrect header.
17:44:04markunmboat: could you host the file somewhere?
17:44:18mboatyeah sure...hold on a second
17:44:35markunmboat: if it's copyright protected, better give me the URL in a PM
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17:58:25LearSwitch appears to use Lame, so the created file should be fine, though you never know what they do after the encoding is complete. But I do wonder if they comply with the GPL... :)
17:59:22LearOuch, using Lame 3.82 though, which is really old...
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18:00:09mboatwhat do you mean by comply with the GPL? O.o
18:00:24mboati didnt pay for switch...
18:00:26LloreanLear: The site looks a little dubious, yeah.
18:00:40LloreanNo source of any sort obviously available.
18:01:02mboatooh.
18:01:26mboatdo you guys have another program that you recommend?
18:01:30mboati just kinda picked the first one i found
18:01:31mboathaha
18:01:34LearAnyway, using something like "Rebuild MP3 stream" "Fix VBR MP3 header" in Foobar2000 could fix the file.
18:02:50mboatso there could be something wrong with the file even if it shows correct information on my computer and on my OF?
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18:08:55LearYes, Rockbox is lazy and only looks at the header for length information.
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18:19:08C30`Palanoidhi,i see buschel posted a patch in patch tracker,how do i install it into the player? where exactly should i put it?
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18:21:12krazykitC30`Palanoid, if you're talking about the patch to get more battery life, soap has several builds with it included in the Unsupported Builds forum. alternatively, read the wiki pages SimpleGuideToCompiling and, i suppose, WorkingWithPatches
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18:21:35C30`Palanoidthx a lot
18:21:44SoapThose builds are out of date - I should have new ones up in a few hours after I get done with work work.
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18:25:33sunjunim testing those patches right now, and on flyspray i see people getting 20h runtimes with flac's, but i only get 16h40min with mp3's, should there be that much of a difference ?
18:28:08kugelsure, flac is less complex
18:28:13LearThere are lots of variables, like battery condition, sound processing enabled (like the EQ), file format...
18:28:24sunjundefault settings
18:28:26kugelthe more compression the core complexity, in general
18:28:39kugelcore = more
18:29:34sunjunand regarding the stuttering menus some were getting lately, i noticed it too, but rarely, and im not really sure yet, but it stutters mostly on vbr mp3s, 320cbr seems to be ok
18:30:05PaulJamkugel: but the effect on the batterylife also depends on the target, for harddisk targets less compression also means more disk spinups.
18:30:09Soapsunjun, and don't mix and match runtimes on 30GB iPod Videos with runtimes on 60/80GB iPod Videos. The two models have significantly different batteries.
18:30:25sunjuni have a sansa e260
18:30:38sunjunand searched out results of sansa users on flyspray
18:31:10LearMP3 decoding is comparatively slow on arm (e.g., sansa players).
18:31:16kugelPaulJam: Sure, but I was expectiing sunjun to have a e200, since his messurements matches with e200
18:31:19Soapyea - battery condition makes a difference. W/o knowing what your runtime is with the stock firmware you have no basis of comparison.
18:31:35kugelmeaning no disk to spin up
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18:32:39kugelsunjun: tbh, 16h40 is great, don't worry
18:33:36sunjunit dropped to 15h after settings bass to -4db and using a wps with album art :D
18:33:44sunjunsetting*
18:34:14kugelwhich wps have you used before? the stock one or one using a backdrop?
18:34:44sunjunthe 16h40 result - no wps or backdrop, just black on white
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18:35:21mboati guess it is switch's fault
18:36:30markunmboat: did you find out anything else?
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18:37:07mboati found that the original files i have at 320kbps have correct data
18:37:16mboatbut not the ones at 128
18:38:24markunif you transcode to save space you could also try ogg vorbis.
18:39:44mboatalright i'll try that one
18:40:12kugelmarkun: Do you know if ogg gives better runtime compared to mp3 or aac?
18:40:30markunkugel: I think better that aac and worse than mp3
18:40:38kugelok
18:40:55markunbut you can compile a codec test plugin to find out for sure
18:41:01kugelI wanted to switch to vorbis, but I didn't find a program with that I could easily convert. Do you have a hint for me?
18:41:13krazykitkugel, lame and oggenc ;-)
18:41:27markunnot really. usually I use command like tools (like krazykit0
18:41:29markun)
18:41:36krazykitthough you wouldn't want to "switch" by transcoding. that'll kill sound quality
18:41:45krazykitunless you're transcoding from a lossless source
18:41:58kugelI know about that
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18:43:03mboati dont. lol.
18:43:09kugelare there other usefull tools, i.e. to split ogg files, or a tool with a GUI to enc/transcode?
18:43:10mboathalf of this is gibberish to me...
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18:43:49sunjunkugel: foobar2000 should be able to do it all fairly easily
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18:44:17markunkugel: I found this tool to be the most flexible ogg cutter and sticher I tried: http://www.oook.cz/bsd/oggscissors/
18:46:11kugelanother command line tool
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21:25:03Calciphercan anyone let me know whats happening with the voicing metadata in talk files work?
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21:31:12fyrestormif there was an option to turn off the lcd after a few minutes of idling (but still playing music), would that save battery life?
21:31:33fyrestormsay, putting the ipod 5th gen on hold
21:31:38fyrestormwhile playing music
21:31:50fyrestormor is that not possible
21:33:20Buschelyes, it would save some. and i am also a friend of having an option to have the possibility to switch off the LCD when e.g. backlight is off.
21:33:58Buschelbut for now there is no knowledge about how switch off and restart the display
21:34:30desowinI did such test over half year ago on ipod mini, haven't noticed difference in runtime
21:35:12fyrestormhm
21:35:24Buschelon a 5G you will some power easily through leaving the WPS, give about 1h more playtime on my 5G with my custom PWS
21:35:33Buschel*WPS
21:36:05fyrestormhm
21:36:13desowinbut the way I did it haven't disable wps though, just the display went down, I think it was the reason I haven't noticed any difference
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21:38:35desowinalso I duno if the display got shut down propertly, it fixed the "ghost line" though
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21:40:00desowinand I don't have ipod anymore
21:40:28fyrestormi have an old 4th gen
21:40:33fyrestormwhich doesnt work anymore
21:40:36fyrestormhard drive crapped out
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21:41:09desowin(I'm not rockbox hacker though)
21:41:41robin0800Soap,installed the test viewports theme in a 5g video sim and noted the play icons etc flash on and off in the viwport there in I think they are static icons is this a known fault?
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21:43:16Buschelfyrestorm: then you may test the device-disable patch (if you can build rockbox for your own, or if you wait until soap created a build)
21:43:19SoapTHAT I do not know, robin0800. I only provide those to encourage the testing of viewports by the general community - as they are comming.
21:43:31fyrestormyeah i dont know how to create builds
21:43:43SoapBuschel, I'm || <−−-this close to being finished in Windows land.
21:43:45fyrestormbut i am willing to test
21:44:18Buschelsoap: :o)
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21:45:16przemhblinuxstb: I've switched cygwin to CRLF endings; echo "test">>./test.txt results in file with CRLF ending so I guess cygwin is indeed switched to CRLF, but make zip produces the same error, although nedore-9.bdf and other fonts have now CRLF endings (checked)
21:45:25desowinBuschel: I got 18 hours 22 minutes runtime on sansa e280 playing ogg -q8
21:45:26Buschelsoap: btw, I am also very interested in a battery bench of your 5G 60GB as you use higher playback volume for your tests
21:45:42desowin(with v13)
21:45:52desowindo you want to look at battery bench?
21:46:16Buscheldesowin: what was the svn runtime with the same playlist?
21:46:21HorschtiI am currently benching on a 5gen 80GB, Buschel.
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21:46:32Horschtiright now, I am benching unpatched
21:46:36robin0800Soap,does the view port do an auto refresh?
21:47:05desowinBuschel: can't really say as I did svn runtime just when I bought sansa, it was quite some time ago, but I got 15 hours then; I'll redo the test
21:47:16linuxstbprzemhb: Are _all_ the files now CRLF?
21:47:25Buschelhorschti: great, just post the results in the forum or flyspray −− i am collecting all the results to have an overview
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21:47:32HorschtiI will
21:48:10Horschtiwell, I just finished "benching" the default FW, now charge, then unmodified, then recharge, then patched
21:48:19Horschtiso, it's still gonna take some time
21:48:20przemhblinuxstb: not all but error message says only about the 3 fonts which are now CRLF
21:48:52przemhblinuxstb: I'd excpected error messages to say about different files now
21:49:19przemhblinuxstb: as the 3 fonts are now CRLF
21:49:38Buscheldesowin: does the battery percent show a more linear behaviour on e200 now?
21:49:49linuxstbprzemhb: If I was you, I would do a clean SVN checkout, to make sure everything is CRLF, and take it from there. AFAIK, other people are using such a configuration, so it should work.
21:50:30przemhblinuxstb: I'll try, thanks
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21:50:42desowinBuschel: desowin/sansae280r16143-disablev13.txt">http://people.atheme.org/~desowin/sansae280r16143-disablev13.txt
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21:53:24SoapBuschel, will you be around in ~30 minutes?
21:53:50Buschelsoap: i think so :)
21:53:57Soapok
21:54:23robin0800linuxstb,do you have a prefered place for possible viewport bugs?
21:55:55Buscheldesowin: looks more linear than before −− even though there's still room for improvement
21:56:50linuxstbrobin0800: What's it concerning?
21:58:08robin0800linuxstb,static icons flashing in a view port see ave for more details
21:58:34robin0800linuxstb,above
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22:02:13linuxstbWith what WPS? An existing one, or one that's been modified to use viewports?
22:02:58robin0800linuxstb,the modified on on the tracker page
22:03:18CalcipherI have a question about generating a .voice file, I was wondering if it may be possible to include a utility that could re create an existing .voice file in a different tts voice engine, for example if you downloaded the current build with the espeak default .voice file, with the utility I am proposing (if it is even possible) you could choose the source .voice file, and choose a tts engine for example SAPI5, and the sapi5 voice of cho
22:03:38linuxstbrobin0800: That's a theme for a 220x176 target - you've been using it on a 5g?
22:03:53Calcipherand a new .voice file using the selected engine and voice would be created, for the voice menus system
22:04:45markunCalcipher: we have a utility which creates a voice file from a lang file. What would be the benefit of doing so from a voice file?
22:04:59robin0800linuxstb,I modified it just the width of the viewports nothing else
22:05:38Calcipherthe only alternative method to creating .voice files in anything other than the default espeak, is a time consuming compile, just to get the .voice file, so thats updating svn and compiling a new build whenever there are changes made
22:06:02linuxstbrobin0800: Have you tried the original 220x176 (on either a H300 or ipod Color sim)?
22:06:15markunCalcipher: why would espeak be less time consuming?
22:07:13CalcipherI'm sorry, I don't mean it would be less time consuming, I mean the fact is most users don't have dev environments set up
22:07:22robin0800linuxstb,no but why changing the width should start or stop icons flashing?
22:07:30markunI'm not sure if you can create a voice file with rockbox utility, that would be nice
22:07:46Calcipherand wouldn't have the ability to recreate the .voice file in an other voice easily
22:08:00n1sCalcipher: the voicefile does not contain the spoken strings so you would need to have some speech recognition software figure out what the clips in the original file said, hardly simple...
22:08:01CalcipherI didn't know about the utility you mentioned
22:08:15markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
22:08:28markunone of the features: Create voicefile
22:08:41markunbut I've never used it myself
22:08:46linuxstbrobin0800: It shouldn't do, so either a) the problems happens in the original wps (but I never saw it there); or b) your changes have caused it...
22:09:00linuxstbrobin0800: Can you upload your .wps file to pastebin?
22:09:35CalcipherHm, I didn't even have luck with rbutils create talk clips options
22:10:24CalcipherI was able to create my own .voice files by compiling in cygwin and specifying sapi5
22:10:49LloreanCalcipher: You'd use a source language file to create a new voice, you can't really "re-create" from an older voice file.
22:11:04LloreanWhat version of RButil did you try?
22:11:16Calcipher1.3 I think
22:11:22CalcipherI donwloaded it last night
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22:12:24Calcipheroh so is there a utility that can generate the voice file from a lang file? using different synths and voices?
22:12:57LloreanRButil should be that utility
22:13:16LloreanBut the way voice files work, if you wanted to create a new tool, it would use language files, not voice files.
22:13:31Calcipheroh, I'll take a closer look, maybe I over looked that option
22:14:05LloreanWell, I don't know if it offers that feature yet
22:14:11LloreanBut 1.0.3pre isn't the newest version, I don't believe
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22:14:40LloreanIt's just the newest one we have available for download. Try the newest SVN version, if you can compile.
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22:14:58Calcipheroh, I found the link to it in the wiki, It was kind of strange it is not in the extras section under downlads
22:15:13linuxstbChecking the SVN logs, voicefile creation was added on 11 Jan, with bug fixes following, up to 20 Jan.
22:15:15LloreanIt's in the manual... why should it also be in Extras?
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22:15:30Calcipherhehe I have been trying to avoid compiling
22:15:43LloreanWell if you want to play with the newest toys, you're going to have to.
22:15:58markunisn't the whole idea of the rockbox util that people can easily install *without* compiling?
22:15:58CalcipherI see, thanks
22:16:20linuxstbmarkun: Yes, once it's done...
22:16:45robin0800linuxstb,http://pastebin.ca/875432
22:17:37Lloreanmarkun: Yes, that's the idea, but since it's the installer, we like to make sure the precompiled binaries are (in theory) "working" versions, much like bootloaders
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22:17:59LloreanAnd the last precompiled version is I think from before voice building was in
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22:19:07Calcipherthat explains that, I had been looking through the commits and was expecting those features, didn't realize it wasn't the latest
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22:21:59CalcipherActually I have never made rbutil from svn
22:22:00Horscht%root_menu "/Music/" in tagnavi_custom.config would make rockbox look for media files in /Music/ only, correct?
22:23:09CalcipherI'll take a look at it before asking any questions
22:23:41robin0800Horschtyou can use the ignore folder file found in the root of the playery to do the opposite
22:24:17robin0800Horscht, you can use the ignore folder file found in the root of the playery to do the opposite
22:24:19pixelmaHorscht: if I remember correctly that would just name your custom database menu /Music/
22:25:26Horschtok, I think i'll just use the ignore folder file.
22:27:17linuxstbrobin0800: I can't see anything wrong immediately (and don't have time to investigate properly). Can you upload your .wps to the flyspray task (with a description of the problem), so it's not lost?
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22:29:45LearBuschel: It sounds like it could be useful to disable wps updating when the backlight is off, at least for some targets. Just made a quick patch doing that for the Sansa e200, and it doesn't seem to break anything at least...
22:30:00Horschtrobin0800, simply adding the directory into the text file? (for example /iPod_Control/ ?)
22:31:28linuxstbThe opposite - creating a file called "database.ignore" inside the ipod_Control directory.
22:32:04Horschtah, i see
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22:32:41Horschtthank you
22:33:06LloreanLear: Does the database redraw properly after? I was lead to believe you couldn't safely stop updating the screen without some corruption afterward. Or do you mean just not drawing the framebuffer to the LCD kinda thing?
22:33:16LloreanLear: Err, "WPS" not "database"
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22:35:00Buschellear/lorean: my idea was to implement something like a "idle WPS" -> leaving WPS and entering idleWPS when backlight is going off, and re-entering WPS if backlight is switched on again. the idle WPS colu
22:35:05Buscheloops
22:35:05LearLlorean: I mean not render the WPS to the framebuffer. This change is on the apps level.
22:35:21Buschelcould blank out the screen for example
22:36:04LearBuschel: My change is along those lines, though currently it doesn't blank the screen or enter a special WPS. It just stops updating it.
22:36:34LloreanIt certainly needs to be optional, since updating it have varying costs depending on target, and some targets have a visible WPS without backlight.
22:36:39LloreanBut I can get behind that
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22:37:43LearYes, this should only be enabled on targets where the display is unreadable without the backlight.
22:37:56LloreanOr just be optional on all targets
22:38:26pixelmaand depending on the benefit I'd think
22:38:32LloreanIf it's going to be in my pocket, I really don't care if I can or can't see the screen with the BL off, I'd rather it not update. ;)
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22:38:49Buschelit should be optional. just think of our blind users −− they will gain some runtime without loosing anything
22:38:52LloreanI do believe the iPod 5G is actually classified as "visible with BL off" right now, and that's where the benefit is greatest, I think
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22:40:07pixelmaI mean if the runtime is really longer by a good amount, not only 10 minutes or so
22:41:32robin0800linuxstb, done
22:41:44LearBuschel mentioned an hour or so for an ipod.
22:42:01Buschelpixelma: just look at ipodruntime page. we're talking about >10min
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22:42:57pixelmaI just remember that I liked the fact that I could read the display without backlight on LinusN's Video
22:43:21soapok Buschel, I'm back on Linux. Let's talk about what builds I need to make.
22:43:34Buschelpixelma: depends on your usecase
22:43:59Buschelsoap: ok. so, what were your last builds?
22:44:54soapBuschel, PP5020v2 for all the 5020 devices, and DDv13 for all the others.
22:45:36Buschelok, then there's only pcf-03 for iPod Video and 4G grey
22:45:50linuxstbBuschel: I'm not saying I'm against an option to stop drawing the WPS, but it just seems to be admitting defeat if Rockbox can't update a WPS without a significant impact on runtime...
22:46:29Lloreanlinuxstb: At least the sansa firwmare stops updating the WPS when the backlight is off.
22:46:40LloreanIt may just be "business as usual" for color LCDs.
22:46:47linuxstbHow do you know?
22:46:58LloreanBecause I looked at it while the backlight was off?
22:47:03Buschellinuxstb: or it's the advantage to be able to be more efficient via configuration −− matter of usecase
22:47:08LloreanThey don't clear it.
22:47:15linuxstbAh, so it's one of those LCDs you can see whilst the backlight is off?
22:47:20LloreanThey leave a static image, but things like "Time Played" don't change.
22:47:26LloreanYou can see it under very, VERY ideal lighting conditions.
22:47:38soapso pcf-03 for video and 4G gray, 5020v2 for the remaining 5020 devices, DDv13 for all the others (Nano I guess is the only other)
22:47:41LloreanIt's not really meant to be read without a backlight, but I was curious
22:47:42preglowwell, don't make it default, my nano is perfectly visible with no backlight
22:47:56Lloreanpreglow: Agreed
22:48:08linuxstbBuschel: It's not more efficient, it's just doing less...
22:48:11Buschelsoap: ah, you want to rebuild all with against new svn?
22:48:25soapsure
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22:48:28Lloreanlinuxstb: As well, I think it's only admitting defeat if we can't beat the OF runtime *without* the option. I think adding the option so that we beat the OF by more, rather than using it as a way to match the OF, is fine. ;)
22:48:41preglowis wps redrawing that intensive? i thought it was quite easy on the cpu
22:48:46preglowwithout peak meters, at least
22:48:59linuxstbLlorean: No, it's admitting defeat if we can't draw a WPS without impacting runtime at all...
22:49:01LloreanApparently on the 5G it can make nearly a 8% difference in runtime?
22:49:07pixelmaif you can read the display without backlight it also saves power in normal use - you don't have to switch on the backlight if you want to read it...
22:49:09preglowwhat kind of wps?
22:49:11preglowthat sounds insane
22:49:18Buschelsoap: then simply use pcf-03 for all −− it contains the code for all. but for ipod video and 4g grey there are relevant changes
22:49:19pixelmaat least not always
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22:50:01Lloreanlinuxstb: Maybe the BCM is simply drawing more power than it should? I don't believe we've got results on anything but a 5G? And I seem to recall older tests suggested the WPS had a minimal-to-immeasurable result.
22:50:46pixelmaLlorean: on my c200 the OF still updates the display (at least the long song name is still scrolling)
22:51:14pixelmaprogress bar and time is updating as well
22:51:18Buschelllorean: maybe this because of the fps of 5G? you'll need at least 4MHz CPU to achieve the 5fps of the WPS. 4MHz cost about 1.3mA on a PP502x
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22:51:32Lloreanpixelma: On my e200 it didn't. Maybe they decided the e200's screen couldn't be seen (or maybe different FW versions behaved differently)
22:51:42soapBuschel, Ok, just to clarify one last time - pcf-03 is a merge of the PP5020 specific branch with the generic DeviceDisable branch and now has some additional tests for 4G and Video - but should be no changes for people previously running DDv13 on their Sansa (for example)
22:53:10*pixelma is happy about Rockbox volume control - the first step from mute is already too loud in the c200 OF...
22:53:21soapLlorean, my battery benchmarks suggest that iCatcher gives me 95% of the runtime of <no> WPS
22:53:35Buschelyes, pcf-03 = v13 + "4G grey register settings" + "PCF experimental stuff for iPod Video" + PP5020-v1/-v2
22:53:49soapand the old default (with peak meters) gives me 85% of the runtime of <no> WPS.
22:53:54Lloreansoap: As in, a blank file?
22:54:05soapas in sitting in the menu.
22:54:08LloreanThese benchmarks are also on a 5G?
22:54:10Horschtk, I will wait for the pcf-03 then :)
22:54:12soapyes
22:54:16soapHorscht, working on it now.
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22:54:29Horschtyeah, no pressure
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22:54:40Lloreanlinuxstb: So apparently for soap, the problem can result in a 15% decrease in battery life on 5G
22:54:48*linuxstb wonders what impact the proposed default WPS has...
22:55:09LloreanWell, if iCatcher is so much better than "Default with peakmeters", I bet the proposed default will be somewhat better
22:55:25Buschelsoap: do you know in how much fps the peak meter results? maybe this is the root cause for the big difference?
22:56:16amiconnThe peakmeter updates at 20fps - but just the small rectangle which contains the peakmeter
22:56:35soapBuschel, no I do not.
22:56:58soapmind you this is with LAME APS, so I'm already at ~ 50% boost.
22:57:03soapFWIW
22:58:09SacredTerrorBuschel: I have a iPod 4th gen Gray and was wondering if you still needed help with Register Startup Configuration with your patch
22:59:48amiconnBuschel: I wonder what LCD you mean with DEV_EN bit 26
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23:00:04amiconnThere are at least 3 types of lcd (bridges) involved on pp targets
23:00:33amiconnAll mono/greyscale pp targets plus the c200 use LCD1
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23:01:06amiconnThe G5 uses none of the bridges but the BCM chip hooked to the bus
23:01:14amiconnAll other colour pp targets use LCD2
23:02:16jhMikeSamiconn: the e200 uses the DMA lcd controller so that's four :)
23:02:30amiconnYes, plus LCD2 for commands iirc
23:02:36LearI put my proof-of-concept code on Flyspray: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523
23:02:45jhMikeSit's bit banged on e200
23:02:54Buschelamiconn: ? you are talking about the pp-register page?
23:02:55amiconnehh
23:03:00amiconnbucko: yes
23:03:08amiconnErm, that was to Buschel
23:03:19amiconnToo many bu<tab> error ;)
23:03:50Buschelamiconn: this entry was not made by me −− it is described in pp5020.h
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23:05:20Buschelamiconn: but it was needed for LCD on e200
23:05:25Buschelby test
23:05:25Horschtnn
23:05:35linuxstbSo what targets are 100% unreadable without backlight?
23:06:03preglowall colours targets but video and nano?
23:06:13amiconnyes
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23:06:29pixelmawhat about the Colour?
23:06:39*linuxstb keeps repeating that the Ipod Color is readable without backlight...
23:07:08pixelmaall but Ipods with colour display then?
23:07:15preglowi wouldn't be opposed to making "wps update during bl off" disabled for the other targets
23:07:24preglowenabled..
23:07:29markunwith the right angle and reflection from the sun I can read my Gigabeat's LCD without backlight :)
23:07:35preglowno, disabled
23:07:38*preglow hits himself
23:07:48linuxstbpixelma: What about the Sansas? I thought you just said the c200 is readable?
23:08:47pixelmanah, not really usable - same as what Llorean said about the e200. I need to hold it close to the light on my desk to read it.
23:09:25pixelmamaybe it would be somewhat readable in bright sunlight too
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23:16:06*linuxstb wonders what the HAVE_SCREEN_THAT_CAN_BE_READ_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT_OR_HOLDING_IT_VERY_CLOSE_TO_LIGHT define should be called
23:16:37BuschelHAVE_TRANSLUCENT_LCD
23:17:04jhMikeSHAVE_BLACK_HOLE ??
23:17:57BagderHAVE_NEEDS_BL
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23:18:06*jhMikeS got it all backwards anway :p
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23:20:39preglowHAVE_SHITTY_LCD is more correct :)
23:21:23*jhMikeS would beg to differ re: gigabeat black hole or not
23:21:24Buschelself explaining and eloquently
23:22:25buckoTab completion for the lose!
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23:30:50soapBuschel, do you still need people to play with you regarding the register startup configuration?
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23:32:04Buschelsoap: 4G Photo and Mini 2G are missing. But i don't think there are many users left with such, what do you think?
23:32:27soapI'll put out a call for them.
23:32:35soapAs for how many exist? I have no idea.
23:32:44Buschelsoap: nevertheless the patch will work for them
23:32:54*amiconn has a Mini G2
23:33:25Buschelamiconn: well, then I may kindly ask you to help me with the settings?
23:34:48amiconnlinuxstb has a photo
23:35:28Buschellinuxstb/amiconn: could you help out with some testing then?
23:35:37amiconnRight now I have too many half-finished things here :/
23:36:39*amiconn experienced a hard freeze (on H180) today...
23:36:57DrCherryi just hosed my ipod . . ugh
23:37:29DrCherryany way to "start over" without using iTunes?
23:38:36Buschelamiconn: maybe another day then
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23:39:41Buschelsoap: thanks for updating the builds −− it would take hours on my PC to build all these variants! :)
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23:40:18soapyou're welcome
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23:44:51linuxstbBuschel: I'll be happy to help, but another day as well...
23:44:53jhMikeSthe cabbiev2 theme on gigabeat has "; ; ::" at the top above "NOW PLAYING". ??
23:45:26Buschelok folks, gotta go to bed now. see you tomorrow
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23:46:32moosjhMikeS: is the time set?
23:46:55jhMikeSummm...no
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23:47:29moosthat's just this, set the time, and it will be displayed instead with the date
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23:48:20jhMikeSaha, much nicer
23:48:24moos: )
23:49:12jhMikeSIt's never set because of frequent battery switch use
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