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#rockbox log for 2008-01-28

00:00:23 Join kugel [0] (i=kugel@unaffiliated/kugel)
00:01:11kugeljhMikeS: which targets have headphone detection?
00:02:02linuxstbAll the ipods (I think), the Gigabeat, and (looking at its config file) the mrobe 100.
00:02:25rasherI think I saw mentioned that the 1st gen ipod doesn't
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00:04:19linuxstbkugel: There's a HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION define you can look for.
00:04:20kugelthanks for the info
00:04:39kugelyea, I know, but I was too lazy to boot my vm
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00:06:47jhMikeSthe c200 and e200 should be able to have it as well
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00:07:39rasherNeat
00:07:59kugeljhMikeS: With "should be able" you mean, that they could have it, but it's not defined for them yet?
00:09:35jhMikeSright. the AS3514 has a HP detect interrupt
00:10:42jhMikeSthough I'm not sure if it functions quite the way it's needed to
00:10:43amiconnHeadphone detection isn't enabled for all ipods which support it either
00:11:18amiconnThe biggest problem is the 1st vs. 2nd Gen. 1st Gen has no heaphone detection, 2nd Gen does - but they run the same build
00:11:54*amiconn sees no real point in it, hence didn't bother yet
00:12:07amiconnThere are more important bugs to fix on PP5002...
00:12:41*rasher would love hp-detection on sansa
00:13:47*jhMikeS is out with pp5002 since he broke the connector for the HP socket and hold switch on his and they want $45-50 dollars for them which is ludicrous :\ gotta be able to do better than that price.
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00:15:52markunjhMikeS: who's "they"?
00:16:18jhMikeSseveral places that sell OEM replacements for it
00:16:40*jhMikeS doesn't recall the names
00:19:59jhMikeSguess that's ipodparts.com, ifixit.com, repidrepair.com
00:22:51*amiconn has a spare 2nd Gen without hdd
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02:22:35soapbuschel (for the logs) 177 DeviceDisable downloads last week.
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02:48:05darkslategreyhey i have a problem with mpegplayer
02:48:53darkslategreythe video displays at normal speed but the audio seems sped up. the video is also enlarged off the screen.
02:50:33darkslategreyanyone?
02:51:07linuxstbIs the audio encoded at 44.1KHz?
02:51:27linuxstbAnd is the video encoded at the same resolution as your player's LCD?
02:53:53darkslategreyoh
02:54:08darkslategreyi'll just....go....fix that...
02:54:12darkslategreywow, i feel dumb.
02:54:25linuxstbSee http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
02:54:32darkslategreythxman
02:54:37linuxstbYou're welcome.
02:54:39darkslategreyi'll remember to rtfm next time
02:55:44darkslategreyquick question−−what is screen res. for nano?
02:56:04linuxstb176x132
02:57:01darkslategreythxman
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04:02:29JdGordonanyone against conniting 8521?
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04:02:47JdGordonpersistable pitch setting
04:03:39LloreanI think that it's a little more complicated than necessary
04:03:52LloreanSpecifically, I don't think the setting needs to be in two places, with one saved and one not.
04:08:27JdGordonone isnt saved?
04:12:04JdGordonhmm... changing the pitch in the pitchscreen woon persist it? that should be fixed then... other than that?
04:12:21JdGordonmaybe the menu setting isnt needed at all
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04:54:54rockohi
04:55:01rockoI got a huge problem on the rockbox
04:55:15rockolately it says "rockbox media player"
04:55:19rockoand can't find the drivers
04:57:05scorche|shmiss the notice on the front page?
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05:26:11rockowhat notice
05:26:41krazykitthe one under the "project news" heading
05:27:25rockooh no
05:27:34rockomy ipod won't even connect to thecomputer anymore
05:27:39rockoit just keeps rebooting
05:27:57krazykitread the manual on how to dual-boot your ipod.
05:29:18rockooh with the regular ipod firmware
05:30:08rockooh wow, this isn't looking good
05:32:11rockoholy shit
05:32:15rockomy ipod just beeped
05:32:21rockoa lot of times
05:32:48rockoI had no idea the ipod beeped
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06:02:36duvnellusage question: if I wanted to browse the database, go to Artists and then select a particular artist.. I'd like that entire artist's tracks to replace the current playlist, is that possible? I know you can hold select and have it insert into the current playlist, but there isn't an option for it to replace the playlist. It would seem obvious enough just to hit "Play" on that artist and it do that.
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06:02:57duvnell.. same would go for anything else under the db
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06:14:06Lloreanduvnell: Does the "Play Next" option not show up on the same screen as "Insert"?
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06:41:58o0ace0oyow
06:42:08o0ace0oyow
06:42:21o0ace0oadad
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06:42:33o0ace0otesting testing
06:43:16o0ace0o!ping
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07:02:06FMA1394Does updating your ipod's firmware (specifically 5th gen Video) affect rockbox at all?
07:03:50homieloweFMA1394; You will have to re-install the rockbox bootloader.
07:04:05FMA1394Ah, I thought so. Thx.
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08:04:32o0ace0oyow
08:04:41o0ace0owhats the pros and cons of rockbox?
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08:06:56o0ace0oelow
08:06:59o0ace0ois anyone there?
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08:07:30advlaptop2019o0ace0o, have you read why rockbox page
08:07:38o0ace0onope
08:07:49o0ace0owhats the URL?
08:08:22advlaptop2019o0ace0o, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
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08:12:28o0ace0ook thanks
08:14:06advlaptop2019o0ace0o, plus, if you have other question just wait.. the people here are in different time zones
08:14:07scorche|shjust coz scorche said i coudnt.....
08:14:08scorche|shgkjdfkgd;lfhg;ldfgds
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08:15:00Kick(#rockbox JdGordon :scorche|sh) by scorche|sh!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche
08:15:08Mode"#rockbox -o scorche|sh " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
08:15:21GodEaterI thought that was only supposed to happen in -community ?
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08:16:03JdGordonscorche: you poo poo head
08:16:11scorche|shGodEater: well, he spammed as me...
08:16:42GodEaterah
08:17:01*GodEater tries to guess what sh is for
08:17:13scorche|shtake this to -community..
08:17:31o0ace0ohmmm
08:18:03o0ace0oi have a sansae250 if with the rockbox can it still play fm?
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08:19:29advlaptop2019o0ace0o, yes you will still have the fm radio
08:19:45o0ace0oow
08:20:55o0ace0oif i instal rockbox in my sansa e250 can i easily go back to the old program of my sansa?
08:21:13advlaptop2019yea.. but another question is do you have v1 or v2 of the e200 series
08:21:42o0ace0oi dnt know
08:21:54o0ace0oit only says e250
08:22:16o0ace0owhats the difference?
08:22:57GodEaterone works with rockbox, one doesn't
08:22:58advlaptop2019how old is it or what firmware version.. the v2s have different hardware
08:23:31o0ace0oi thinks its a v1
08:24:13o0ace0oi tried to look at the back of my sansa theres noh v2 writen
08:24:19o0ace0o*no
08:24:33o0ace0oand noh v1 written wither
08:24:36o0ace0o*no
08:24:57o0ace0oits only model:e250
08:24:58advlaptop2019check the firmware version that is on it for sure tho
08:25:44o0ace0ois it the one in the settings then info?
08:25:54advlaptop2019yes
08:26:18o0ace0oits version is 01.00.12A
08:26:29o0ace0obut iv recently reformated it
08:26:36o0ace0owith that version
08:26:42advlaptop2019good that is a v1
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08:26:56o0ace0othe original was something like1.11.000..... something
08:27:01o0ace0oow is it
08:27:35o0ace0oso can still easily go back to my old sansa program if iv instaled the rockbox?
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08:28:38o0ace0o....
08:28:39advlaptop2019yea.. if you read the manual, you can see it
08:28:59o0ace0oi left the manual in the states
08:29:02o0ace0ohehehe
08:30:14o0ace0oim a first timer in rockbox so what shoould i do to have it? whats the most compatible with my sansa e250 v1?
08:30:34o0ace0owhats the 1st thing i should do?
08:31:10o0ace0owill rockbox take up more memory?
08:31:28GodEaterthe first thing you should do is read the manual
08:31:56o0ace0owith the rockbox can i already use my mirco sd card to store vids and play it in my sansa?
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08:33:50advlaptop2019o0ace0o, no because the sansa videos are MOVs not MPEGs
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08:34:20woodensoulDoes anyone here own a Sansa and some IEMs?
08:34:52o0ace0oso whats the use of the mirco sd?
08:35:22o0ace0ois it only for storing mp3s
08:35:29woodensoulThe electrical noises are really annoying... do you experiences this as well? Is it the same if you use a microSD card?
08:35:47advlaptop2019o0ace0o, for any files
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08:37:31o0ace0oso with the rockbox it can play the movies stored in my mirco sd card?
08:37:42o0ace0o*can it
08:37:56o0ace0ovids
08:39:33advlaptop2019yea, you cant play the sansa mov files in rockbox tho
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08:41:59o0ace0orockbox is only for games and mp3s?
08:42:03o0ace0ois it?
08:42:13o0ace0ono videos
08:42:50advlaptop2019you can play mpeg/mpeg2 videos in rockbox
08:43:04GodEater<cough>readthemanual</cough>
08:43:18o0ace0ohahaha
08:43:26advlaptop2019o0ace0o, just read the manual it says all this
08:43:34o0ace0oits too long
08:43:38o0ace0ohmm
08:45:09o0ace0odoes rockbox have its converter to mpeg?or i have to convert it by myself?
08:45:24GodEaterok - really - READ THE MANUAL
08:45:34GodEateryou're required to have done so before asking questions in here
08:46:55o0ace0o:P
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08:58:22woodensoulWill rockbox work on my creative zen vision: M??? :P
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09:00:50scorche|shno
09:01:23woodensoulwas joking, i RTFM
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09:05:09o0ace0obefore instaling rockbox what mode shoul i chose MSC or MTS?
09:05:24woodensoullol
09:05:30woodensoulRTFM
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09:07:10zeeWhat is with the task FS #7773? Yesterday, I used the pitch screen and could not leave it with 'play' (as in many other screens). And found a patch in FS which has not been committed yet for some reason.
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09:12:29amiconnUrgh, list spam :(
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09:50:39zeeNow that many have arrived: can anybody comment on why FS #7773 isn't committed?
09:52:28GodEaterthe developer of the patch hasn't bugged people enough to do it ?
09:57:27zeeGodEater: seems so. And it slipped through in the "FS week." I think the change is very small and can be safely committed. But I'm not a developer and have of course no commit right.
09:57:49GodEatersame here
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09:59:37zeeI'll wait for another FS week then and hope it will get committed. Are there any plans for the next FS week by the way?
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10:10:00LinusNshouldn't we commit FS #8493?
10:12:37linuxstbI guess so...
10:13:06*GodEater would love to look at it but the tracker seems to have stopped speaking to him
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10:16:45Casainhohello :-)
10:17:10CasainhoI am looking for some admin to change the name of the page "RockboxPlayerV1" to "RockboxPlayerV0.1
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10:17:20Casainhocan someone do that?
10:17:40petursomehow I think this is the least of the problems you are facing
10:19:08LinusNCasainho: what is wrong with V1?
10:20:03CasainhoV1 is for another version... we decided that actual info on that page is not from V1 but from a V0.1
10:20:26CasainhoI also would like to hjave a sugestion, for a version name... V0.1 would be ok?
10:20:38LinusNi think that's a bad wikiname
10:20:53CasainhoIt's a version in hardware, with a dev board...
10:20:55LinusNcan't contain period
10:21:25Casainhomaybe V0_1?
10:21:30LinusNbesides, why can't it be v1, v2, v3 instead of 0.1, 0.2, 1.0?
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10:24:58LinusNCasainho: so you will create another page called V1?
10:25:21Casainhowell, others said that since this is a version in a dev board, it should not be V1
10:25:58LinusNhow silly
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10:26:26LinusNwhy not call it RockboxPlayerPrototype then?
10:26:55aantipopim about to buy a rockbox compatible player, cant spend a lot of money, tho. which would you recommend ?
10:26:58GodEateror just "RockboxPlayer" without a version number ?
10:27:09GodEatersince the wiki takes care of version history all on it's own
10:27:11linuxstbGodEater: That page is already taken
10:27:22GodEateroutrageous - who by? ;)
10:27:48linuxstbAn overview of the player. RockboxPlayerV1 is the detailed design page.
10:27:59GodEaterRockboxPlayerDesign then :)
10:28:02*linuxstb likes RockboxPlayerPrototype
10:28:15LinusNi renamed it to RockboxPlayerPrototype, and made it a child of RockboxPlayer
10:28:45CasainhoPortotype, very good idea!
10:28:48Casainhothanks! :-)
10:29:00linuxstbaantipop: The Sansa E200s are reasonable enough and can be bought cheaply - but make sure you get the older "version 1" model, the "version 2" has different internals doesn't work with Rockbox.
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10:29:58aantipoplinuxstb: how can i find out if its a v2 or v1 ?
10:33:54Lynx_Hi all! I have a question: Can i make the disk turn off when I have my iriver connected to a windows box via usb? I want this to make ich charge faster, and the 'safe disconnect' from windows does not seem to suffice
10:34:09Lynx_s/ich/it/
10:35:02markunLynx_: I don't think we have control over it, do you know LinusN?
10:35:32markunthat was meant as "LinusN, do you know?"
10:35:34LinusNwe don't
10:36:27LinusNbut there is a possibility that we can change it, but it requires writing to the I2C EEPROM connected to the Cypress chip that controls the USB-ATA connection
10:36:57Lynx_ok. from experience, will the iriver charge over a few hours from usb?
10:37:08LinusNwhich iriver?
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10:38:48LinusNwe can do the I2C trick on the H100 and H300 models, and on the PP models, we can do it once we have the USB stack running
10:39:23LinusNgtg, meeting
10:39:31Lynx_it's a h340
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10:46:13linuxstbaantipop: I think the v2s say so on the back, plus they also advertise "Audible" support. If you can check, they also run different firmware versions (I think it's v1.something for the version 1 hardware, and v3.something for the version 2 hardware).
10:50:14aantipopwill rockbox only run on linuxstb: thanks, but i just realized i dont want a mp3 player that displays pictures or videos or such fancy things
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10:50:30aantipopwhoops
10:51:12aantipopim reading about creative zen and sansa clip at the moment. but those dont run rockbox :/
10:51:30fmlI just noticed that there is a typo in the header of FS #8521 ("Perma_m_nent"). Could someone please correct it?
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11:00:40Lynx_hmm, i have the feeling the h300 does not really charge over usb at a useable rate. does anyone here ever charge theirs through usb?
11:01:29GodEaterI didn't even know the h300 *could* charge over usb, I thought it was like the h100 in that regard
11:02:30amiconnThe h300 does charge via usb, but of course it's much slower than charging via the dedicated charger
11:02:41RamlaI never tried charging by usb
11:03:03linuxstbaantipop: It's hard to find an mp3 player that doesn't do photos and videos as well...
11:03:29peturLynx_: boot rockbox, hold REC while inserting usb, ignore the fact that it also goes to recording
11:03:33amiconnThe archos player...
11:04:38GodEaterthat doesn't do the special rockbox(tm) video format ?
11:04:40aantipoplinuxstb: no it isnt
11:04:51peturLynx_: and I think you have to boot OF to set the charge mode correctly (disable 'hub' mode)
11:05:41amiconnGodEater: The player is charcell...
11:05:44Lynx_petur: ok, i'll try that, thanks
11:06:26Lynx_erm, how do i boot OF again? :)
11:06:46peturhold REC while pressing play
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11:06:56GodEateramiconn: you mean we've not got a port of aalib for it then? ;)
11:08:46markunaantipop: which player are you interested in?
11:09:12*amiconn googles aalib
11:09:29GodEateramiconn: it's an ascii art library
11:09:46aantipopmarkun: i would love a player i could run rockbox on. and i dont want to spend more than 70 €.
11:10:08aantipopand i dont want a used player. should have at least 1gb and usb 2
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11:10:52markunaantipop: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
11:10:53GodEateryou'll struggle to find a player that's not been used before that supports Rockbox
11:11:05GodEaternone of our targets are in production any more
11:11:16aantipopoh
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11:21:30aantipopis someone working of a port to the v2 version of the sansa e200 series ?
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11:28:13markunaantipop: there is some discussion going on in here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
11:29:10markunBut when a rockbox port is done you will be able to view videos and photos on it. Of course, you can always delete the plugin.
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11:34:45aantipope250 looks good, but im worried about the battery life of a used player, so i think ill get a v2
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11:39:48Shaidyou can't install rockbox on the v2, remember...
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11:42:28aantipopyes but i try to contrubute
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12:27:16aantipophmm is there also a v2 series of the sansa c200 ?
12:27:54linuxstbyes
12:30:23kugellinuxstb: I just saw you committed FS #7773
12:31:06kugelWhat do you think of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7871 , which is kinda related to 7773
12:31:18kugelI know this patch is bad implemented, I mean from the idea
12:31:28linuxstbI think someone with an e200 should really be looking at these patches...
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12:31:58linuxstbDoes the patch also include the required changes to the manual? 7773 was missing them.
12:32:17kugelI've made this patch, and I use this patch. Besides that it's done in a bad way, the idea behind is nice imo
12:32:33kugellinuxstb: No, not at all
12:33:09kugelBut I plan to update the patch, possibly including more targets, and (if it is wished) manual changes
12:33:22linuxstbIMO, keymap changes (or in fact any feature changes) should also patch the manual.
12:33:35*GodEater agrees
12:34:25kugellinuxstb: the scroll button rename patch was committed w/o updating the manual (in the manual it's still called ButtonScrollUp etc), but I had mentioned before committing
12:34:38kugelBut, of course, I agree to manual changes
12:34:57linuxstbI know that it's not always done...
12:35:09linuxstb(I'm sure I've been guilty)
12:36:09kugelAnyway, I think it's preferable to be able to exit/go to the wps directly the id3 viewer and quickscreen also with play button
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12:47:51at0m|caantipop, i just bought a second h340 via ebay, had plenty accessories. had a spare 2200mAh battery and fitted it using online guide. price of the player: 107eu. not bad for what it does imho :)
12:48:20at0m|cnew batteries and disk are plenty available...
12:50:06at0m|cmaybe it's a bit too big for you with its 40gb, but i'm sure you'll find cheaper smaller ones that will serve well.
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13:04:09aantipopthose irivers look great
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13:10:46aantipopwhich of the supported players is the most recent (beside ipods)
13:11:31linuxstbI think the Sansas are the most recent to go out of production.
13:12:23linuxstbBut I wouldn't pay any attention age, DAPs seem to be getting worse, not better...
13:12:37preglowindeed...
13:12:49preglowmy h120 is still the best dap i've seen
13:13:01preglowand that's practically ancient :)
13:13:25Lynx_well, my h340 is a little large compared to more recent ones
13:13:46aantipopwhat does DAP mean ?
13:13:57linuxstbdigital audio player
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13:23:56aantipopthere are toooo many different DAP's in this world :(
13:24:13Bagderyes, there should only be one
13:24:17Bagderthat should suffice!
13:24:26aantipoprockboxplayer ftw
13:24:42Bagderyeah, a home-glued huge PCB...
13:24:52Bagder:-)
13:25:13GodEaterPCB? Pah - we should have one of those plastic grids with holes in that you plug transistor wires straight into.
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13:34:46Avelike so http://www.elektrolinna.fi/data/sd24n.jpg
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13:38:26GodEateryeah, like that :)
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14:41:41Lynx_petur: the trick with pressing record when plugging in usb works nicely, hd is off and charging quite fast, thanks
14:43:04peturnice to hear
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15:18:55preglow:/
15:19:15LambdaCalculus37preglow: Make?
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15:20:50preglowwrong window :)
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15:44:53B4gderhello?
15:45:02*preglow never had it
15:45:07B4gderit's big time spamming time
15:45:25LambdaCalculus37Yes, please! He's out of control!
15:45:38preglowso i see...
15:45:39B4gderI've moved them manually for a while now
15:45:49preglowwell, who has the admin pw?
15:46:07amiconnB4gder: Do you have an idea why this ml spam came through?
15:46:17B4gderyes due to the From: address
15:46:26LambdaCalculus37Febs says he got him.
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15:46:34B4gderI've now made that From: address moderated
15:46:41B4gderand it already caught the next spam
15:46:58amiconnpreglow: It's right on the front page...
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15:53:05peppook, so I think my ipod video 80gb disk has died totally. can I get some opinions. here are dmesg from linux when trying to mount. when attempting to boot it gives the ipod/apple restore w/itunes error. http://rafb.net/p/5WSgS156.html || cfdisk hangs when trying to access it.
15:53:07preglowso now i can look to the rockbox ml for all my viagra needs? :)
15:54:35preglowpeppo: so even in disk mode it doesn't work?
15:54:45peppopreglow, yeah, it fails to mount
15:55:11preglowwell, that's a bitch then...
15:55:15preglowdoes diag mode reveal anything?
15:55:28peppono wait, disk mode is achieved in a special way, right?
15:55:32peppoI've not really tried that
15:55:38preglowwell,yeah, press play/select when booting
15:55:41preglowdiag mode is left/select
15:56:12LambdaCalculus37peppo: Disk Mode always works.
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15:56:22LambdaCalculus37So see if you can access your iPod that way.
15:56:33peppo"FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive"
15:56:38peppohm, it wouldn't go into disk mode
15:56:39pepporetrying
15:57:20peppoit won't respond to button presses it seems
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15:57:36peppoit shows the restore error shortly then goes into regular usb connection mode
15:58:24peppodialog mode doesn't work for me either
15:58:50preglowreally? press left/select before the apple logo shows and keep them pressed
15:58:56preglowif that doesn't work, something's seriously messed up
15:59:30peppoah, now
15:59:38peppoI didn't release it was an "AND"
15:59:43peppoI thought the "/" was OR :)
15:59:52LambdaCalculus37peppo: Got it working now?
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16:00:06peppowell
16:00:11peppomy screen is broken anyhow
16:00:14pepposo can't see the top 30%
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16:58:45pixelmaI also get a few more of those every now and then, doing nothing
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18:17:39ImmortalDoes anyone know is it possible to get videos to play on the iriver H10?
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18:20:31LambdaCalculus37Yes, instructions for videos are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_To_Encode_Files
18:20:58Immortalok i installed winff
18:21:03Immortaljust having alittle issues with it
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18:21:11Immortaldoes that have to be installed on the iriver or how does it work
18:21:48markunno, you run it on you computer and use it to convert video files
18:26:46Immortali assume the videos have to be converted into mpeg 2 right
18:26:59Immortaland if so can i use any program that converts them into mpeg
18:27:18Immortalor do i have to use winff
18:27:38Sammienatoryou can use winff
18:27:42linuxstbYou can use any program, if you configure it correctly.
18:27:58Immortalwell i use linux for mine
18:28:11Immortalwhich there is an issue with the window dissapearing
18:28:11linuxstbIt needs to convert the video to the resolution of your screen, convert the audio to 44.1KHz MP3 (or MP2) and multiplex the two streams into an MPEG Program Stream.
18:28:20linuxstbwinff has a Linux version (despite the name).
18:28:27Immortalyeah i know
18:28:39linuxstbBut you can just use ffmpeg or mencoder - I think that webpage LambdaCalculus37 linked to has instructions.
18:28:43linuxstb(or vlc)
18:28:54Immortalyeah i was thinking of that ill try that
18:28:59Immortalbut how would they play
18:29:03Immortalon the iriver H10
18:29:13Immortalwhat makes them run
18:29:21LambdaCalculus37Just select them.
18:29:26linuxstbYou do... Just select the files in the file browser as if you're playing music.
18:29:40Immortaloh ok
18:29:44Immortaldo you have an iriver H10
18:29:58LambdaCalculus37I have an iPod video. Same process, though.
18:30:04Immortalok
18:30:09Immortalyeah ill give it a shot
18:30:23Immortalso you convert it and then just add them into your music folder or wherever
18:30:31Immortaland then hit play as if they were music?
18:34:18Sammienatorjep
18:34:55Immortalok
18:36:18Immortalcan someoen look at this error i got
18:36:26Immortalcan i paste into the ubuntupaste bin
18:36:30Immortalif someone has the link
18:36:37Immortalthat or i can paste here
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19:02:33alexgamerzhello?
19:03:04rasheralexgamerz: do you have a question?
19:03:15alexgamerzyes
19:03:31alexgamerzdoes putting rockbox on an iPod void its warrenty?
19:03:56linuxstbThat's a question for your local Apple representative...
19:04:15alexgamerzokay, I just thought someone on here would know
19:04:20linuxstbBut I would be surprised if you have an ipod compatible with Rockbox that still has a warranty...
19:04:30alexgamerzreally?
19:04:40alexgamerzI didn't knwo that
19:04:42alexgamerztyvm
19:05:02linuxstbIgnore me, the ipod videos were sold up to a few months ago...
19:05:43alexgamerzokay,
19:05:55linuxstbWhich ipod do you have?
19:06:11kugelalexgamerz: Where do you live?
19:06:16jhMikeSrasher: 1) The AS3514 datasheet 2) Somehow deal with the fact that the i2c driver isn't interrupt compatible (or make it so). It may have to work via the power thread instead.
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19:06:56alexgamerzcanada, ipod "fatty" (nano w/ video)
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19:07:12linuxstbbye.
19:07:20kugelalexgamerz: it surely depends on laws. In Germany for example, warranty cannot void because of installing software when you actually bought hardware
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19:14:38kugellinuxstb: just looking at keymap-ipod.c, the button map for pitch screen could be definitely more consisten with e200
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19:30:46kugelcan anyone tell me how the center button of gigabeat is named is named in keymap-gigabeat?
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19:32:14kugelBUTTON_SELECT?
19:33:19Domonokyprobably, on most players the center button is select..
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19:55:34Horschtgetting pwned by the spacebar
19:58:14preglowDomonoky: seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8512
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20:04:17kugelHm, I just wanted to compile the manual
20:04:36kugelit says "make[2]: pdflatex: Command not found"
20:05:09nicktasticWhat platform?
20:05:53pixelmaresume is really broken on my c200 currently - it never starts at an arbitrary track position, only at the beginning of the "right" track or the next (mp3 here). Once I could observe that first it displays the correct track and track position (progressbar) for a split second but then it changes to the next track or beginning. Will try to find out which commit broke it...
20:06:12kugelnicktastic: arm
20:06:30kugelor do you mean if I'm using cygwin or linux? In this case linux
20:06:56nicktastickugel: Which Linux distro?
20:07:05kugelkubuntu
20:07:07nicktasticIt is provided by texlive-latex-base on Debian
20:07:12pixelmakugel: do you have all the packages installed as explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main//ManualHowto ?
20:07:14nicktasticWhich may also be the case for ubuntyu
20:07:21kugelI'm allready searching for a proper latex package
20:07:33kugeltexlive-latex-base ok thanks
20:09:46kugelpixelma: I searched for a twiki site, dunno why I thought this one is the wrong :/
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20:12:08pixelmakugel: there's a weird thing... there is also a "ManualHowTo" page which describes something completely different
20:12:55kugelhmm that could be the reason
20:13:22kugelnew error "! LaTeX Error: File `scrreprt.cls' not found."
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20:14:09nicktastickugel: install texlive-latex-recommended
20:14:36nicktasticThis (from the wiki) will probably get everything you need: apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs
20:15:43nicktastictetex has been deprecated for texlive, but those packages should automagically map to the appropriate texlive package
20:16:14kugelnicktastic: that wants me to download 250mib
20:16:27nicktastickugel: From the wiki: Note that tetex (the primary TeX distribution for Linux systems) is a large package that will take some time to download, build and install.
20:16:57pixelmanicktastic: if you know how the packages are called now, could you update the wiki?
20:16:58nicktastics/tetex/any tex system/
20:17:34nicktasticpixelma: Sure
20:17:47pixelmathanks :)
20:17:51nicktasticnp :)
20:19:10kugelcan I build the manual into /manual, or should I choose another empty dir like for build and sim
20:21:47pixelmanever tried that, I always build in an own "manuals" build dir
20:21:54kugelomg, my vm doesn't compile again ...
20:22:13kugeljust waiting for santa claus or somethin after typing make
20:22:48nicktastichehe ps ax −−forest|less, find your make process, look at its child processes
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20:26:03kugelthere's no make process
20:26:22nicktastic..
20:27:24nicktastic..but it is still waiting for santa claus?
20:28:22kugelah, you meant that I shall type that in another terminal while make is waiting? Because then I find it
20:28:37nicktasticAye :-)
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20:29:07nicktasticI need write access to the wiki to update the Debian tex instructions. Username: NickZigarovich
20:30:32pixelmago ahead :)
20:31:06nicktasticThanks
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20:32:58kugelnicktastic: i can't kill the makes, there allways new ones popping up
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20:33:07oskiehi, i have a sansa e280..i wonder, what's the best way to charge the unit? if i connect it to usb it reboots into the sansa os, and the LCD never turns off (= power drain)
20:34:05nicktastickugel: kill them?
20:34:24kugel??
20:34:42nicktasticSorry - you're trying to kill the make processes?
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20:35:06kugeluhm yes
20:35:14kugelwhat else should I do?
20:35:24nicktasticAh I thought you were trying to figure out what make is doing that is making it hang
20:35:27nicktastickillall -9 make
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20:35:47Horschtoskie, holding "menu" while plugging in the USB cable prevents the ipod from booting into the apple FW
20:35:57HorschtI assume, same would work for sansa
20:36:03kugelstill doesnt compile
20:36:17Horschtor similar, "menu" equivalent on the sansa
20:36:59pixelmaoskie: that would be "select" on Sansa but still it charges best in the OF in my experience even though the backlight stays on
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20:37:51oskieah I see, thanks...
20:38:45oskiei was under the impression that usb support was now improved and that you could charge from rockbox
20:39:01oskiebut now it only reboots as soon as I plug in the cable
20:39:25Horschtyou can
20:39:40Horschtbut rockbox' usb stack doesn't have disk access yet it seems
20:39:45oskieah ok, yes
20:40:08Horschtso by default, it boots to the players original os, to allow disk access I assume
20:41:16kugelnicktastic: can't get it to compile
20:42:23pixelmaoskie: as Horscht said it should boot into the OF on USB plug as long as you're not holding "select" (and as long as it is a build where the automatic reboot works)
20:43:16rasherpixelma: "as it is a build where the automatic reboot works"???
20:43:42nicktastickugel: Let me try to build
20:44:54kugel:?
20:45:03pixelmarasher: the automatic reboot from a running rockbox into the original firmware doesn't always work (seen it on my c200 and on a Mini) and it either always works or never with a specific build
20:45:11nicktastickugel: I can't help you without more info, plus I've never tried to build the manual...
20:45:13kugelnicktastic: I rebooted now, should work now
20:45:17nicktasticSo I'm going to give it a go
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20:46:46kugelwow, it doesn't
20:46:55nicktasticMmm 58 kbyte/sec on texlive-base...time to find a new mirror.
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20:53:36nicktasticIt will be a while before I have latex. The mirror in my town that usually gives me 2mbit/sec is pushing 50kbyte/sec. Good job, Comcast.
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20:54:58Horschtnicktastic, that's what they call net neutrality, no?
20:55:27fmlHello. Any opinions about FS #8521 (Permanent setting for the pitch)?
20:55:31nicktasticPfft ;)
20:55:44LambdaCalculus37nicktastic: I get that too.
20:56:27n1sfml: I can't see a good reason for it but as with almost all of rockbox' features, i don
20:56:52n1st use the pitch changing capability anyway...
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20:58:11amiconnThe pitch setting is non-permanent on purpose
20:58:30fmln1s: I use it now and then when playing guitar with the playing music. Someone else requested that for listening to audio books (he wanted to increase the speed slightly).
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20:58:49pixelmafml: btw. there is one option I know off without a gui - you can turn the "horizontal scrolling" on and off with a line in your cfg file
20:58:57pixelmas/off/of
20:59:15fmlamiconn: yes, I know and appreciate that. That's why I made changes made in the pitch screen non permanent.
20:59:52fmlpixelma: so should I just introduce the settings but without GUI?
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21:00:53n1spixelma: the playlist catalog dir setting is also hidden (which IMHO is quite bad)
21:01:13n1sit even uses its own config file...
21:01:13fmlpixelma: is the setting for the horiz. scrolling described in the manual? What I'm afraid of is that settings without GUI get lost if they are not mentioned somewhere.
21:01:23JdGordon|wfml: I meant to comment on that patch.... I agree with the define name change, yes the only thing needed for settings to be persisted is settings_list.c (so it doesnt need to be in the menu)
21:01:42fmln1s: what uses its own file?
21:01:49pixelmaguess not, I don't like it (even though I don't like that horizontal scrolling, I mean the one where you're holding a button to force the scroll)
21:02:08n1sthe playlist catalog setting for which dir the catalog is in
21:02:13amiconnImho there should be no permanent setting without an option in the gui
21:02:29n1samiconn: I agree
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21:02:34fmlamiconn: that was my thought as well.
21:02:49amiconnAnd afaik the horizontal scrolling does have a gui option
21:02:56JdGordon|wI dont see why we cant make the pitch setting persistant... it just needs a reset option to work properly
21:03:06pixelmaamiconn: where?
21:03:08JdGordon|wno, there is one hidden setting
21:03:08fmlJdGordon|w: but settings also need to be set somehow.
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21:03:17IceOnlyhello
21:03:18JdGordon|wfml: the pitchscreen
21:03:34n1sWhat we really should have is also a "Select file or dir" thingy to get rid of backdrop/rec dir/etc in the context menus and enable for selection of more such things
21:03:41bertrikhi IceOnly
21:04:03IceOnlyi have a question about the DockPodAA Theme
21:04:06amiconnJdGordon: We *could* make the pitch setting persistent, the question is whether we *should*
21:04:10amiconnAnd imo we should not.
21:04:44fmlJdGordon: but that setting should be 'very' persistent as amiconn said. And I agree with him. The initial value should be persistent, not the changes.
21:05:06fml*should _not_ be ...
21:05:23bertrikoskie: I think there are some bugs in the reboot procedure for sansa e200
21:05:27IceOnlyhow can i use the album art function?
21:05:31amiconnThe initial value should always be 100%, and not settable
21:05:52amiconnEverything else could be very confusing
21:06:38fmlamiconn: I had times when I wanted ma DAP to start with non 100% pitch. And about confusing: that's why I wanted an indicator of non 100% pitch.
21:06:50JdGordon|wfml, i disagree...
21:06:54amiconnpixelma: Settings -> General Settings -> Display -> Scrolling: "Screen Scrolls Out of View" and "Screen Scroll Step Size"
21:06:57amiconn-
21:07:06JdGordon|wchanging the value in the pitchscreen should save it
21:07:07nicktasticpixelma: I think the Debian instructions should stay. The currently listed packages will result in just about every tex/latex-related package being installed. Lacking intimate knowledge of which tools are actually used by the build process, I'd rather leave it as is.
21:07:18JdGordon|wamiconn: no, there is another one which is hidden
21:07:24amiconnJdGordon: It should never be saved, neither from pitchscreen nor elsewhere
21:07:44fmlJdGordon: I'd be against it. Changes in the pitch screen are ad hoc IMHO and should not be saved.
21:08:02bertrikIceOnly: your question is probably already explained in the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt
21:09:01fmlOk, the pitch itself is debatable. But what about pitch changing mode? I find it annoying to always have to switch the mode first.
21:09:12pixelmaamiconn: that's not exactly what I mean
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21:09:25fmlSince the default is small steps and I use semitones most of the time.
21:10:16bertrikIceOnly: I think there was a change several weeks ago that caused many older themes to stop working
21:10:31IceOnlyok
21:10:41JdGordon|wthe bigger reason to stick it in the config is so people can have their cfg's so they dont have to fiddle in the screen
21:10:46IceOnlydid you now a nice skin witch work now?
21:11:27pixelmanicktastic: ok, but thanks for checking
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21:12:12fmlJdGordon: but I still think the changes in the pitch screen are fluent by nature and should not be saved. Changes explicitly made via the settings are more 'fundamental' and can be saved.
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21:12:21bertrikIceOnly: I haven't tried that many themes, but plain&simple (big AA) worked for me , I have a sansa (176x220 IIRC)
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21:13:54n1sfml: IMHO it would be very confusing to be able to change a setting in two different places and the changes only being saved in one of them...
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21:14:42amiconnThe pitch setting is meant for beatmatching and as such, temporary by nature
21:15:03amiconnALso, some parts of rockbox rely on the fact that resetting the pitch brings it back to 100%
21:15:20amiconn(e.g. video.rock on archos, mpegplayer on swcodec targets)
21:15:58fmln1s: yes, that's correct too :-))) Ah, I see that we will probably not reach a consensus on this so I'll better stop nagging.
21:16:32fmlamiconn: what do you mean by 'resetting'? There is only _setting_ (to an explicitly given value)
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21:17:31fmlThe best we could agreed
21:17:47amiconnI mean resetting to the default, and the default is currently 100% because it is not an ordinary setting, but a temporary change
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21:17:48fmlThe best we could agree upon would be a GUI-less setting
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21:19:59amiconnNo setting should be gui-less
21:20:07amiconnJdGordon: What setting is hidden, btw?
21:20:42fmlamiconn: then the best we can do is abandon the patch :-/
21:22:30JdGordon|wamiconn: the one which controls the scrolling if you hold left/right down in the lists..
21:22:59amiconnThat's the horizontal screen scrolling...
21:23:11JdGordon|wits not...
21:23:22amiconnIt is
21:23:28JdGordon|wis not :D
21:24:00pixelmait is and is not... ;)
21:24:18JdGordon|wwell yeah... the hidden setting is a toggle for it
21:24:43pixelmayes
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21:26:29*amiconn doesn't know about a hidden setting for that, and can't find one in settings_list.c either
21:27:33amiconnThe 2 settings I mentioned are defined in line 561 and 565
21:28:07amiconnhmmmm
21:29:36amiconnhold_lr_for_scroll_in_list <= what's that do, and why does it exist??
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21:30:24XavierGrI guess it is the one that lets you scroll horizontally with left/right?
21:31:10rasheramiconn: so you're only allowed to use the pitch setting for beat matching, because that's what it's "intended" for?
21:31:18amiconnYes, but why is it a setting, and why is it hidden?
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21:31:54amiconnrasher: No, that was just *one* reason why the pitch is temporary
21:32:00pixelmathat's the setting I meant
21:32:15JdGordon|wthat setting changes the keymaps in the lists
21:32:40fmlJdGordon: woooot? Variable key mapes???
21:32:44amiconnwhy???
21:32:45fmlmaps
21:32:46pixelmaamiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20060815#20:31:10 ;)
21:32:46JdGordon|wNO!
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21:34:16pixelmalater, Ondio got a mode+left/right to control the horizontal scrolling
21:34:28fmlI liked the possibility to scroll the whole list but it shouldn't be a setting IMHO
21:35:02amiconnImo the option should be removed.
21:35:07pixelma(which defeats the purpose of making it scroll faster there though)
21:35:10fmlRather a fixed key or key combination (on the daps having a free one)
21:35:25amiconnOn targets where it doesn't collide, it should act as it it were alwayxs enabled, and on Ondio it should be always disabled
21:35:32amiconnThere's still the combo
21:35:39pixelmas/faster/easier
21:36:21amiconnI mean, (1) Who'd use the combo when the longpress method is easier, and available? (2) Who'd enable this option on Ondio, where it means losing important functionality?
21:36:48amiconn(3) Who knows about a hidden option? Such an option wastes binsize.
21:37:50JdGordon|wwell... unless someone can actually be bothered removing it.. its staying
21:37:56*amiconn actually completely forgot about this feature... a proof that I never use it ;)
21:38:23JdGordon|wbut yes, I fought for the option and dont think I have ever enabled it... so if its renmoved I wont cry
21:38:28*rasher doesn't understand why there's an option
21:38:58amiconnHmm, now I begin to remember why there is an option....
21:39:28amiconnThe longpress method disables the long-left-returns-to-root feature - on all targets
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21:39:40amiconnbah
21:40:07*rasher didn't know about long-left-returns-to-root
21:40:08*amiconn would remove the whole screenscroll feature, but knows that we already had that discussion
21:40:36rasherCouldn't it be long-left-when-screen-is-scrolled-left-returns-to-root?
21:40:52amiconnHmm
21:41:04amiconnThen you might end up with an unwanted action
21:41:29amiconnUnless the long-left-returns-to-root checks for the start condition again
21:41:47pixelmaI think JdGordon had it working once but don't remember exactly, maybe it was while only during some testing of the action patch
21:42:11pixelmawrong word order
21:42:15amiconnrasher: Sounds like a useful idea, actually
21:42:32JdGordon|wdo you want to remove the option and leave it so its the same as current default?
21:42:37rasherI suppose you could accidently go to the root if you're not careful
21:42:48JdGordon|wleft->root should be working
21:42:59amiconnJdGordon: Leave it off on Ondio, on on all other targets
21:43:06JdGordon|wyeah, it does work
21:43:10JdGordon|wok
21:43:27*JdGordon|w wouldnt object
21:43:47amiconnOn Ondio, enabling that option disables an important feature: the context menu
21:44:08pixelmacurrently it doesn't...
21:44:19*pixelma is repeating herself
21:44:20fmlWhat does the option do?
21:45:32amiconnpixelma: No, because the option does nothing in the tree on Ondio. It only works in the menu there
21:47:56*amiconn misread
21:48:19pixelmawell that button combo simply doesn't work correctly there because the menu is called too - if you are lucky you can hold the 2 at exactly the same time and then it also works in the browser...
21:49:10pixelmaand it is cumbersome of course
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21:54:38fmlpixelma: could you tell me what that feature do and how I can use it (H120 or e200)?
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21:56:30pixelmafml: it's enabled by default and you can see what it does if you hold left/right on e.g. a filename that is longer than what fits on the screen
21:57:34pixelmaI mean left or right
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21:58:18amiconnThe feature itself is always enabled - the hidden setting just influences how it is operated
21:58:52fmlpixelma: aha, thanks! That feature I have missed!
21:59:18amiconnReally?? Interesting...
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22:00:50pixelmafml: "missed" as in you didn't know about it or as in you always wanted to have something like that?
22:02:08pixelmatoo slow...
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22:03:08nicktastiquekugel, Okay, I've got tex. For which device are you building a manual? And are you building the manual-pdf target, or some other one?
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22:03:26kugelnormal make
22:03:29nicktastiqueok
22:03:32nicktastiquewhich device
22:03:40*bluebrother looks around
22:03:40kugelmake is the same as manual-pdf though
22:03:46nicktastiqueI see
22:03:54kugelyou could test fs#8527 for me :)
22:04:03kugele200
22:04:54nicktastiqueargh need the arm toolchain
22:05:22bluebrothernot for building the manual
22:05:43bluebrotherbut you'll get a warning ;-)
22:05:49nicktastiqueok
22:06:13nicktastiqueWaiting for santa claus, indeed :P
22:06:14amiconnbluebrother: Does it work if you choose sim + manual?
22:06:17nicktastiqueAh there it goes.
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22:07:09*amiconn doesn't know because he didn't have much luck in building manuals in general
22:07:09bluebrotherI think so. I think I build the sim for an archos without having the sh1 toolchain
22:07:26nicktastiquekugel, Where did your build fail?
22:07:36nicktastiquei.e., pastebin :)
22:07:40amiconnThe sim can be built without the target toolchain for sure.
22:07:54amiconnThe question is whether a manual build works if you choose a sim
22:07:56kugelamiconn: No luck here too
22:08:12kugelnicktastique: right after typing make
22:08:23nicktastiquekugel, There is no output from the build process?
22:08:24kugelit didn't start to compile
22:08:28nicktastiqueNo error?
22:08:33amiconnkugel: I can usually get the pdf manual to build with some fiddling, but the html manual never worked for me
22:08:33kugelNot at all
22:08:39Bagderthen do 'make V=1'
22:09:21bluebrothermake manual-pdf works if you configured the build itself. I _think_ to remember the same working if configured for the sim.
22:09:37bluebrotherbut it's quite a while, my memory might trick me ...
22:10:57BiptoNdoes anyone use or would find one of these useful? http://www.ronetix.at/peedi.html
22:11:40BiptoNi mean if perhaps donated to someone that could use it to perhaps get access to a zune for porting RB
22:13:00nicktastiquekugel, You did install that 250 mb worth of tex-related packages, right?
22:13:06kugelno
22:13:19nicktastiqueyeah I think I know why your builds are failing.
22:13:34kugeljust tex-latex-recommended, didn't you tell me to install that one?
22:13:59bluebrotheryou need to have the koma-script package and utf8 support
22:14:05nicktastiquekugel,You should install: tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs
22:14:06kugelbut actually, I'm compiling it atm. V=1, as Bagder said seems to worjk
22:15:00BagderV=1 should just do more verbose ouputs...
22:15:02nicktastiquekugel, V=1 tells make to give you verbose output. make is doing the same thing it did before
22:15:18kugelah
22:15:22kugellol
22:15:48nicktastiqueYeah you'll need to install the monster packages :)
22:15:58kugelthen, it's doing "make -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual OBJDIR=/home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/manual
22:15:59kugelmake -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform CC=gcc AR=ar
22:16:01kugelmake -C /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform OBJDIR=/home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/firmware" in an endless loop
22:17:00Bagderin which dir are you building this?
22:17:10pixelmais that in the source manual dir?
22:17:35kugelno
22:17:46kugelwell, I did it in the manual dir
22:17:53kugelbut it's the same in the /sim dir
22:17:55bluebrotherBiptoN: you have an idea about the price of that debugger?
22:18:01nicktastiquekugel, It is going to fail until you get the proper latex stuffs installed. Then it will fail because mkinfo.pl is not where the manual-pdf target expects it to be.
22:18:10rasherkugel: could be because you messed up the manual dir...
22:18:43BiptoNyeah
22:18:47BiptoN1-800-ALOT
22:18:52nicktastiqueYeah call it manual-e200 or something
22:19:05BiptoNbut how much would that benefit the programmers?
22:19:18BiptoNwould it be a BIG gain for them or no?
22:19:34pixelmanicktastic: you still get the pdf (at least I do)- ignore the mkinfo.pl for now
22:19:41nicktastiquepixelma, Gotcha.
22:19:58bluebrothergiven the fact that it's known how to interface it with the hardware and especially when writing hardware drivers and similar: a lot
22:20:00rasherkugel: rm -f the manual dir and svn up to make sure it's clean..
22:20:02nicktastiqueAh, nifty, it is there.
22:20:24kugelrasher: did that allready
22:20:33bluebrotherjust think of it as a gdb ... for the real hardware device.
22:20:43kugel" LaTeX Error: File `multirow.sty' not found."
22:20:55kugeltex-latex-recommended doesn't seem to work
22:20:57bluebrotheryou're missing a package :)
22:21:22bluebrotherwe use quite some latex packages ... no idea what's "recommended".
22:21:23BiptoNit sounds like it would be a very bright light in a dark cave
22:21:23BiptoN?
22:21:24nicktastiqueSo, kugel, good news. 1. Fix your manual directory. 2. Install the tex/latex packages I mentioned. 3. Do your builds in manual-e200, not manual. 4. Enjoy hot pdf manual. 5. Profit.
22:21:28kugelnah, I'm not gonna mess around further with manual
22:21:32kugelI think
22:21:41nicktastiqueWaaah :)
22:22:00bluebrotherBiptoN: if you know how to interface it to the hardware. Which might be hard to find out.
22:22:02kugelmy disk space isn't infinite
22:22:11BiptoNalright than
22:22:15BiptoNthanks for the info
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22:22:41nicktastiqueAt least now I can say I've built the manual
22:22:51nicktastique\o/
22:24:11kugelnicktastique: have you applied my patch?
22:24:35nicktastiquekugel, Oh you were talking to me :) Sure, one sec.
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22:26:13arken_Hey guys, I don't know much about C. But I found some open source AVI codecs for linux, how hard would it be to make my rockbox play AVI's using the codec?
22:26:48BagderAVI is not a codec to start with
22:26:53Domonokytoo hard.. :-)
22:26:57Bagderand then, very hard
22:27:10arken_daymu.
22:27:14arken_dayum*.
22:27:22bluebrotherand then, there is generally not much interest −− you need to transcode the videos to match the screen size anyway
22:27:31arken_Well if one of you techies wants it, then you can have this source i found
22:27:32arken_lol
22:27:45arken_http://sourceforge.krugle.com/kse/files/cvs/cvs.sourceforge.net/avifile/avifile/COPYING#6
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22:28:09bluebrotherthe url sounds like the avifile project ...
22:28:24arken_so what do you guys suggest for converting on linux?
22:28:39bluebrotherthe wiki has some recommendations.
22:28:41linuxstbffmpeg, vlc, winff, mencoder, mpeg2enc, ...
22:29:02BagderI suggest manually editing it with emacs' hexl-mode!
22:29:03arken_i've had nothing but trouble with VLC, can you specify the codecs and stuff?
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22:29:54*linuxstb looks forward to seeking Bagder's family movies.
22:30:18bluebrotherdid I miss something?
22:30:19Bagderyou need to wait quite some time to get the first few frames ;-)
22:30:35*bluebrother notices the tracker hit the 1k mark again :(
22:31:00nicktastiquekugel, build failed, trying to determine cause...
22:31:02arken_What are the codecs i should use for video / audio?
22:31:18linuxstbarken_: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
22:31:32BigBambiarken_: Look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
22:31:35kugelnicktastique: =(
22:31:56arken_Thank you kindly! If this were VBulletin, I'd +rep you
22:32:13p3turbluebrother: tracker cleanup time :)
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22:33:22nicktastiquekugel, http://pasture.ath.cx:10080/build.log
22:33:28bluebrotherpetur: yep ... hopefully I'll get volume limited (but not time limited) internet in a couple of days.
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22:34:59kugelnicktastique: I forgot to edit main.tex
22:35:04kugel:/
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22:36:20pixelmakugel: there are probably other places as well - you only edited tex files in "plugins" and the platform file, if I see correctly
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22:37:47kugelye, since the patch didn't change that stuff only too
22:37:50arken_Who wants to teach me how to bash script :P
22:37:55*nicktastique knows nothing of tex
22:38:03kugelto be honest, this is the first time I edit the manual, so mistakes might happen
22:38:11*nicktastique is just the build monkey
22:38:19nicktastiquekugel, No worries :-)
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22:38:45Bagderarken_: google wants
22:39:22arken_Badger: Who wants to be a millionare pops up
22:39:43arken_wait.. I get it.
22:40:29*bluebrother needs to go ... cu guys
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22:41:53kugelnicktastique: www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/scroll_button_rename_manual.diff
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22:45:09kugelnicktastique: does it work?
22:45:53nicktastiquekugel, Getting there
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22:46:11nicktastiqueI am at work ;)
22:46:37kugeloh
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22:48:46kugelah
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22:48:52kugelthere's at least one error more
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22:50:23nicktastiqueOkay I'm ready when you are
22:50:29nicktastiqueJust link me
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23:00:13kugelnicktastique: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/scroll_button_rename_manualv2.diff
23:00:19kugelthanks for your help
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23:00:55nicktastiquenp
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23:05:29tapiocapuddingok
23:05:31tapiocapuddingumm
23:05:32tapiocapuddingso
23:06:20tapiocapuddingi got the idea that i have to re-encode the audio on this clip i want on my nano and resize the video but where can i get software to do...that?
23:06:28tapiocapuddingyeah...?
23:07:37n1stapiocapudding: The PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki has all the details
23:08:07tapiocapuddinghuh...? i don't see it.
23:08:14tapiocapuddingoh
23:08:16tapiocapuddinghere it is
23:08:18tapiocapuddingat the bottom
23:08:20tapiocapuddingthanks
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23:15:51web_guesthey people, i got me a sandisk sansa clip (2gb) today. is there anything i could contribute to the project (without destroying my player) ?
23:15:57nicktastiquekugel, Sorry for delay, http://pasture.ath.cx:10080/build.log
23:17:50Bagderweb_guest: see that v2 thread in the forum for the latest "news"
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23:19:26web_guestthis: SanDisk Sansa e200 v2, c200 v2, m200 (v2) and clip in section "new ports" ?
23:19:31Bagderyes
23:19:39web_guestok will read it
23:20:06Bagderthat and http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html are pretty much what we have
23:21:57nicktastiquekugel, Time for me to go home. Good luck!
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23:25:51web_guesthmm i could for example send a more recent firmware .bin but i dont know how to do it :P
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23:28:48Bagderwell, you don't have to tell us what you won't be able to do...
23:29:16web_guestmaybe a small hint how to obtain a .bin file of that firmware ?
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23:29:52BagderI don't have a v2 model and I've never even seen one in real life
23:30:18advlaptop2019web_guest, sandisk has the firmware on their forums
23:30:30BagderI think you need to trick the updater somehow
23:30:48Bagderthey do?
23:30:55web_guestyes they do
23:31:07web_guesthttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board?board.id=clip&page=1
23:31:07Bagderah and then I host .bin files on the v2 page
23:31:30Bagdertwo clip .bin files
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23:33:43pixelmaumm... now that was a bit unexpected but the commit that finally breaks resume on an arbitrary position in a file (mp3 on c200) is this one: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16105
23:38:52pixelmaon my M5 it still works correctly with a later revision (almost expected after finding that commit)
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23:46:14tapiocapuddinghey umm i downloaded winff and installed and got the new presets file
23:46:27tapiocapuddingbut now whenever i try to convert anything i get an error that says acess is denied
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23:48:32FMA1394Is there a way to produce sound (like from an mp3) through the piezo speaker on the iPod 5th gen?
23:50:06tapiocapuddingnevermind apparently it doesnt work if you're not in an admin acc.
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23:58:22kugel"make: /home/diablo/rockbox5/manual/platform/mkinfo.pl: Command not found" what does that mean when compiling manual?
23:58:34kugelI installed the packages the wiki told me to
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