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#rockbox log for 2008-01-29

00:01:36 Quit jcollie ("Ex-Chat")
00:04:31linuxstbkugel: I think that's normal, and you can ignore it. (a quirk in the build system)
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00:04:44kugelOk, thanks
00:07:13FMA1394does anyone know the answer to my question?
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00:07:45FMA1394[16:47] <FMA1394> Is there a way to produce sound (like from an mp3) through the piezo speaker on the iPod 5th gen?
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00:08:40BigBambiFMA1394: If anyone knows, they will answer
00:08:50BigBambiThere is no need to repeatedly ask
00:09:23FMA1394Ah, ok.
00:10:02BigBambiAlso, quoting the time isn't too helpful - to me that looks like you asked 8 and a half hours ago
00:10:18BigBambi:)
00:10:39kugellinuxstb: FS #8527, I think I completed my work on scroll button rename now :)
00:10:43pixelmaI'm not sure where I should post my finding about the resume problem - there are bug reports about resume failures but I'm not sure if they are really related :\
00:11:04pixelmaor the same thing
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00:14:15pixelmahi jhMikeS
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00:21:16jhMikeShello pixelma
00:21:52*jhMikeS managed to use a windows version sendfirm to load nk.bin to a gigabeat S. :)
00:22:16*Llorean cheers
00:22:38*Llorean eagerly awaits a "GigabeastPatcher.exe" :-P
00:22:47jhMikeSLlorean: so it's normal so far to have it freeze at the logo with some garbage?
00:23:01LloreanAt the Rockbox logo?
00:23:04jhMikeSyes
00:23:07LloreanI *think* so
00:23:26pixelmathere's a problem with resume on my c200 (it only resumes from a beginning of a file - either the one it was supposed to resume or the next track) and after a bit testing I found that this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16105 commit broke it... any ideas?
00:24:12jhMikeSLlorean: I think XavierGr was having it do that too
00:24:35LloreanjhMikeS: I think pixelma's question was directed to you.
00:24:43pixelmait is reproducable, even with manual stop and resume and without reboot cycle
00:24:43Llorean:)
00:24:53jhMikeSLlorean: I was talking about the logo freeze
00:25:15rasherpixelma: from the sounds of a flyspray comment (I forget by whom), that commit exosed probems elsewhere
00:25:21jhMikeSpixelma: yes, there's race conditions in playback that the differing thread execution timing makes show up
00:25:26LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, sorry, mixing threads is confusing. Yeah, I think that's what they're still trying to fix the interrupts for.
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00:27:40pixelmajhMikeS, Llorean: sorry for not putting the nick in front :)
00:27:59jhMikeSpixelma: The SPC codec failure is also a symptom of that. The freeze on the dual core version was just lack of an init before the codec failure but that's fixed.
00:31:37pixelmajhMikeS: if there are race conditionsit could have happened before too but less likely?
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00:33:11jhMikeSpixelma: sure. in one form, one thread could have always before another where the blocking with mutexes switch that temporally.
00:33:22jhMikeS*always run
00:33:54pixelmaif you say so... ;)
00:34:33kugelpixelma: Hmm, might be related. I have trouble with the resume feature on my e200 too lately. It resumes, but does stop the playback after the file. Also, the current playlist gets corrupted or something, returning to wps is not possible using resume
00:34:44jhMikeSbottom line is that threaded code must never have such dependencies or it will always show bugs when something changes underneath it
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00:35:03kugelHowever, I didn't test it on a current build
00:35:43pixelmakugel: never seen that
00:36:42kugelI'm not totally sure, but I think it's only present when using "last screen" setting, you know what I mean=
00:36:44kugel?
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00:37:44kugelWell, I'm gonna investigate that further, but I'm quite busy at the moment
00:38:13jhMikeSLlorean: I don't know about gigabeatspatcher.exe. Getting this to work was a PITA where you have to install the libusb driver for that device, install the patched firmware, then remove the device.
00:39:01LloreanJdGordon|w: Slight typo in my response to you. "Behave identically" means "in terms of what screen they return you to", not that "stop and select should do the same thing"
00:39:01Llorean:)
00:39:02jhMikeSlibusb (both the filter and single-device driver) interferes with the windows MTP driver
00:39:16LloreanjhMikeS: That's kinda like the e200R process though, isn't it?
00:39:30preglowjhMikeS: oy, just had a weirdo bug with spc here
00:39:44LloreanjhMikeS: Maybe we should just distribute a RButility liveCD :)
00:40:01preglowjhMikeS: halfway through a song, the sound just started looping, while everything remained responsive, kind of made me think the emulation hung
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00:40:19pixelmajhMikeS: btw. Llorean meant a gigabeastpatcher, not a gigabeatspatcher :P
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00:40:21jhMikeSLlorean: :)
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00:40:53jhMikeSpreglow: Say what? Unpatched SVN?
00:41:08preglowno, but the only changes are buschel's patch
00:41:28jhMikeSpreglow: is that the nano that starts acting funny?
00:41:48preglowjhMikeS: this nano has never been affected by funny nano issues, if that's what yuou mean
00:42:34kugeljust wondering, is the sleep timer working with power source inserted? I.e. it wouldn't turn of but stop the playback?
00:42:56jhMikeSpreglow: It stopped normally?
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00:44:11preglowjhMikeS: stopped normally how? i had to stop it, time left didn't advance
00:44:20preglowbut pressed 'play' paused it just fine
00:44:26preglowand switching to the next track worked fine
00:44:35preglowso it was fully responsive
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00:47:05jhMikeSobviously not a deadlock but it sounds like something got corrupted
00:47:32JdGordon|wLlorean: thats how I read it anyway... didnt even notice the mistake :p
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00:48:12preglowweird, yeah
00:48:14preglownever had it before
00:48:20preglowand couldn't reproduce, the same file played nicely
00:48:35pixelmajhMikeS: once more about the resume and playback bug - is this underlying problem mentioned somewhere or is there something else one could point Nico_P (or others?) to?
00:49:47jhMikeSpixelma: it's mentioned in the IRC logs as of today but I know of nowhere else. :)
00:49:59pixelmaok
00:50:26jhMikeSpreglow: another possibility is the something happened to the PCM buffer
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00:50:42jhMikeSpreglow: how long of a repeat?
00:50:59LloreanJdGordon|w: Just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was more annoying than usual. :)
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00:58:42preglowjhMikeS: 0.2-0.3 seconds?
00:58:50preglowmore like 0.2
01:00
01:00:33jhMikeSrepeating over the internal output buffer would be at most 0.064 seconds (2048 samples)
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01:07:57jhMikeSpreglow: I guess that wouldn't stop the time progress either since it would still spit out more and more audio samples. It would have to be in something after it.
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01:14:35markunLlorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15153.msg113297#msg113297
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01:15:30gruven98hey all... can someone help me real quick..... i forgot how to boot back to rockbox on my ipod video
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01:16:54Lloreanmarkun: Well, all I said was "don't say my improperly created file doesn't play right", which he definitely said. He's putting words into my mouth, honestly
01:17:19LloreanBut, I'm done there.
01:17:30LloreanOther than wanting to know if the presets failed, or if he skipped straight to typing 44000 in
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01:18:25Lloreanmarkun: he even said "I don't know if anyone else is having this issue", which rather strongly suggests he thinks it's the software. :-P
01:18:49markunI don't agree
01:18:58LloreanThen there's the bit where he clearly states that "sampling rate is fine" and "Only on the Sansa does the pitch lower"
01:19:03markunthe issue is that his file plays back in a lower pitch
01:19:11LloreanHe tries to make it clear he thinks the file is fine, and the software is wrong.
01:19:43markunyes, he thinks the file is fine. What's so strange about that?
01:19:53LloreanWell, he had a developer tell him the file was wrong.
01:19:58LloreanTo which he responded "no it's not"
01:20:05markunwell, ok
01:20:07LloreanAnd either the file or the software is wrong.
01:20:21markunor both! :)
01:20:29LloreanThat can be true
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01:21:17linuxstbDrDnar: Hold MENU+SELECT together to reboot out of the Apple firmware
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01:24:10markunLlorean: shall I lock the thread since the problem is fixed?
01:24:12jhMikeSpreglow: on an unrelated note, do you think that using init_mad in mpa.c could possibly be the reason tiny clicks can be heard with mp3 gapless? I'd think you wouldn't want to fully reset the decoder state between tracks to have gapless.
01:24:26Lloreanmarkun: I still need to know if the presets are broken, but I won't argue in the thread any more. :)
01:24:36markunok, good
01:25:19LloreanI just get irritated when people assume their files can't be at fault AFTER a developer says "We need you to check your file."
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01:26:17markunWell, assumptions can be wrong. Maybe it's better to tell people that they have to realise their assumptions aren't always true unstead of telling them not to make the wrong assumptions.
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01:26:58markunHe checked his file by playing it on his PC, didn't have any pitch problems and assumed the file was ok. I can understand that.
01:27:05markunbut I'm off to sleep now
01:27:12markunwe can continue another day :)
01:27:39LloreanI'm tempted to make a "testing process" guideline.
01:27:57LloreanIE: 1) Verify the file is a valid format. For audio files, see this list. For video files, see these requirements, etc, etc.
01:28:16LloreanBad files cause so many problems (though ideally we need to handle them gracefully)
01:28:25LloreanI'm surprised mpegplayer isn't already set to reject "bad" sample rates
01:28:25markunnot a bad idea if people keep having the same problems
01:28:40markunyes, better to give an error
01:28:44LloreanWe get a LOT of bad sample rate mpegplayer requests, which is probably why Saratoga gave such a short answer.
01:28:57markununtil (if ever) we use the resampler
01:29:02LloreanYeah
01:29:29markunor set the audio chip to use the right sample freqency in the first place
01:29:45markunwell, if it supports it of course :)
01:29:54LloreanOf course. :)
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01:36:05jhMikeSLlorean: Time to try putting the audio through the DSP I suppose
01:36:44Calcipheri'm getting a "menus/main_menu.c:336 'lang_disk_name_mmc' error : undeclaired (first use in this function)" error, when I try to compile, don't know what changed
01:38:35Calcipherwhen I run configure and select n for normal build, on #50 sansa e200 series, isn't it supposed to ask me to choose a language?
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01:39:28Calcipherdon't tell me I'm going to have to refresh my svn completely and get erase all my old build dirs
01:39:59rasherCalcipher: configure doesn't ask for language since ages
01:40:05markunjhMikeS: I wouldn't mind crossfeed during video playback either
01:40:34Calcipheroh, I wonder where the problem is then
01:41:02Calcipherhow have you been rasher, long time no see\
01:41:05preglowjhMikeS: it might easily be 0.064 seconds
01:41:20preglowjhMikeS: and the timer might not have stopped either, i was in the middle of something when it happened so i'm not quite sure
01:41:27jhMikeSpreglow: that would be more of a buzz I'd think than a repeat :\
01:41:54preglowhmm, lemme do a small experiment in renoise
01:43:00Calcipherhas anyone else been experiencing lock ups on the sansa e200 series with recent rb builds, for example when skipping backward multiple tracks
01:43:12preglowjhMikeS: just looped a sample at 2048 samples, and yes, that sounded very much like it
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01:43:38Calcipherpower off would quickly bring me back, and even resume would work, but it has been happening to me regularly
01:44:12preglowjhMikeS: and no, i wouldn't reinit everything between tracks for mpa
01:44:29preglowjhMikeS: but we've been doing that for ages without breaking gapless, afaik
01:45:00jhMikeSmarkun: I suppose I'll hammer out some code
01:46:20jhMikeSpreglow: There are quiet clicks between tracks on some albums. I'll try them without full reset and see what happens.
01:47:13preglowimdct overlap buffer surely gets emptied on reset
01:47:18preglowand i don't think we what that for gapless
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01:47:34preglowhmm, then again, encoder delay cut should deal with that
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01:47:53preglowjhMikeS: mp3 is never perfectly gapless, btw, i've got a track here that isn't completely gapless any place
01:48:00preglowit's just a tough format
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01:52:34Calcipherjust to refresh my memory, It has been 2 and a half months since I compiled, and I was new to it, first set up a main dir, update svn, create a build dir, run configure from build dir, then run the make command, is this correct?
01:53:50Calcipherthen I would use the makezip
01:54:03jhMikeSpreglow: I always managed to split manually to a perfect gapless from MP3 files and the particular first/last samples are rather obvious on sight and the lengths cut in the audio editor come out correct when just doing it visually.
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02:00:14preglowworth trying anyway
02:00:17preglowi need to sleep, gniht
02:01:34Calciphercool I think I did do it right, seems what ever unholy tragedy I had created in my old build dir was messing up my compile
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02:04:57Calcipherforgot the syntax for the sapi voice options...
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02:06:25JdGordonis there any reason the playlist handling in the core needs to be able to do anything with playlists other than the one currnetly being played? (other than obviously saving and loading a m3u)?
02:08:12Calcipherhey JdGordon, do you know any details on the voicing metadata in talk files work that is going on?
02:08:21JdGordonnope
02:08:33CalcipherI only heard that it was happening, I don't know what patch it is
02:09:21Calcipherhopefully it will allow the playlist and database to be fully read, not just spelled out
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02:30:32Calciphercan anyone remind me how to specify which sapi voice you want to use using configure, under sapi options
02:31:05CalcipherI don't remember the syntax for specifying, and also don't remember where this information is available
02:36:03Calcipherwow, I'm amazed I actually remembered, I doubted myself since it sounded so simple, but "voice:'voice name'" is the arguement
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02:40:30AceNikhey guys mpegplayer has boken on rockbox h10 20GB, it shows all videos yellow & half the screen nothing is clear
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02:42:02Calcipheralright, I assumed that was right because I didn't receive any error messages, but in fact, the voice file generated was exactly the same, so my options input had no effect what so ever
02:43:02JdGordonis there any difference between m3u8 and m3u other than the 8 is in unicode?
02:43:47AceNikaccording to me svn rev 16171 & 16172 are responsible for the mpegplayer glitch
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02:47:23XavierGrjhMikeS: Grats on the sendfirm pacther, how can one achieve that? My Windows installation refuses to see my Gigabeat S (I have to test on the laptop every time)
02:47:28Calcipherwhere is there a list of commands that can be used in the sapi options section of configure?
02:48:31XavierGrjhMikeS: also did you find where exactly rockbox crashes? All I know is that it certainly mades it after the show_logo() in main.c but every attempt to fill it with debug messages crashed it
02:48:34jhMikeSXavierGr: I'm using XP if that's any factor. Do you have libusb installed
02:49:05XavierGrjhmikes: nope, so libusb will just suffice?
02:49:08jhMikeSI have some feeling the interrupts should all be masked by the bootloader if rockbox will be loaded
02:49:45jhMikeSXavierGr: the libusb filter driver will prevent proper detection. using the libusb driver install can only be used to load the firmware.
02:49:46XavierGrjhMikeS: yeah probably, I suspect that's why sleep makes the player wait endlessly?
02:50:38jhMikeSThere's no sleep implementation is there?
02:51:00linuxstbCalcipher: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984
02:51:12XavierGrI am not sure I didn't check, whenever I call it, it just waits and nothing happens
02:51:21jhMikeSPerhaps the MMU isn't initialized correctly too. Hard to say myself since I haven't been beyond that point yet.
02:51:38XavierGrI tried to put many lcd_puts, lcd_updates but it data aborts... :\
02:51:47XavierGr(although the first one works
02:52:21jhMikeSI'm betting MMU and/or cache config
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02:52:53XavierGrdo you have the sendfirm.exe binary? (compiled on cygwin I guess)
02:53:03XavierGrso I could use it and see if it works for me?
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02:55:02jhMikeSsure. I'll zip something up. It uses DLLs for the moment. You have to use inf-wizard.exe to install the libusb driver for the device and then remove that device before dumping the .rockbox folder in it since it won't connect with any libusb stuff installed.
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02:55:58linuxstbThat won't cause users installation problems ;)
02:55:59XavierGrok please send it to me when you have it ready. (dcc or anything you like) :)
02:56:04Calcipherthank you linuxstb
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03:07:27jhMikeSXavierGr: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip
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03:09:58XavierGrjhMikeS: which is that datasheet that you are reading, the one that freescale gives on their site references only electrical characteristics...
03:11:03jhMikeSI've got the huge PDF
03:11:28jhMikeS14000KB
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03:13:18XavierGrI've got one that is 2.10MB
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03:14:57jhMikeSXavierGr: see PM
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03:41:37Calciphervictory!, by sniffing through some of the old IRC logs, from november, when I finally got this to work, I found the correct input for sapi options
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03:42:36Calcipherits simply /voice:'voice X'
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04:51:32HelioNamiHello, Got a hopefully simple question. I don't have a USB Cable for my iPod, just a Firewire cable. Can I still use rockbox to it's full funcionallity?
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04:58:05Helio_NamiSorry about that, internet issues. so I didn't get an answer.
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04:59:12Helio_NamiIf my question even got through heh. Can I still use my Firewire connection to my iPod or do I have to get a USB connection for it?
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05:29:16duvnellusage question: if I wanted to browse the database, go to Artists and then select a particular artist.. I'd like that entire artist's tracks to replace the current playlist, is that possible? I know you can hold select and have it insert into the current playlist, but there isn't an option for it to replace the playlist. It would seem obvious enough just to hit "Play" on that artist and it do that.
05:29:22duvnell.. same would go for anything else under the db
05:31:55Lloreanduvnell: Last time you asked that, I asked you if the 'Play Next' option was there in the same list as the "Insert" and "Queue" options
05:34:27duvnellLlorean: sory.. my IRC didn't say any one had replied
05:34:34duvnellno I think only insert and insert shuffled show up
05:35:46LloreanCould you go check?
05:36:12LloreanThere's a "Play Next" option for folders, and there's really no reason it shouldn't be there for the database too.
05:36:35duvnellI jsut did
05:36:38duvnellthat's all that's there
05:37:22duvnellI'd prefer a "replace currently playlist" option
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05:37:37duvnellalong with the other options
05:37:55midgeyduvnell: you have music playing when you are browsing the database?
05:38:00LloreanThat's what "Play Next" does.
05:38:18LloreanIf you're playing music, it finishes the current song then replaces the current playlist with the selected item
05:38:58LloreanI have a "Play Next" option in my database while music is playing
05:39:16Llorean"Insert" replaces the playlist when music isn't playing, because there is no playlist when music isn't playing.
05:41:13duvnellit doesn't sound like it would replace.. but like it would insert into the current playlist whether it was playing or stopped
05:41:27LloreanIf you've stopped the music there is no playlist.
05:41:31LloreanSo inserting into a blank playlist....
05:42:18duvnellare you hitting (holding) select on an entire artist in the db listing?
05:43:13LloreanIf playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used to create a new playlist <−− The Manual
05:43:16LloreanAnd yes, I am.
05:43:19LloreanAre you doing it when music is playing?
05:43:45Llorean"Play Next" only shows up when music is playing. If music is stopped, there's no "Next", simply "Now", as the current playlist is empty. So you can use "Insert"
05:44:13duvnellfunny.. now I do have several options under the menu
05:44:44duvnellwhether it's playing or paused
05:45:03LloreanPaused is not the same as Stopped
05:45:05duvnellI don't have a stop button.. so maybe it's doing that since I had just powered it on, but not played anything yet
05:45:09LloreanYou can stop
05:45:15LloreanAgain, this is covered in the manual.
05:45:17Lloreandid you read it?
05:45:27duvnellmostly.. a while back.. but I don't have a stop button
05:45:36LloreanI didn't say you had a stop button.
05:45:38LloreanI said you can stop.
05:45:50duvnellwhat button can do that?
05:45:55LloreanI don't know what player you have.
05:46:00LloreanAnd I told you already it's in the manual.
05:47:06LloreanIf you have an e200, you tap the "Power" button. If you have an iPod, you hold down Play/Pause.
05:47:09duvnelllong play
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05:47:49duvnellyep.. only two options when stopped
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05:48:03duvnellso insert would make it become the current playlist
05:48:15LloreanWell, there is no "last" or "next" when there's no playlist...
05:48:44duvnellso stopping the music essentially clears the playlist?
05:48:54LloreanNot "essentially". It does clear the playlist.
05:49:10duvnellbut it still lets me hit play again
05:49:12duvnellso it wasn't cleared
05:49:13LloreanPressing the resume button basically reloads the playlist.
05:49:18duvnellk
05:49:38duvnelljust seems like it didn't clear it if playing again will reload the same thing
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05:49:55woodensouldoes anyone know if apple made a 80gb iPod other than the video 5.5 and classic?
05:50:09duvnelland if you view current playlist under the playlist menu while stopped, then it still shows the same thing
05:50:12duvnelli.e. not cleared
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05:50:55LloreanWell, the manual clearly states "If playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used as described in 4.4.3 to create a new playlist"
05:51:08LloreanSo even if you were unsure, the manual tells you that you can empty a playlist like this.
05:51:15duvnellthen apparently that is "make this the new playlist" feature
05:51:22duvnellwhich is what I wanted :0
05:51:25duvnellso I'm good..
05:51:37duvnelljust named funny
05:52:32Llorean"View Playlist" should just say "View Previous Playlist" when music is stopped.
05:53:59duvnellwell, it's always called "view Current playlist" actually
05:54:49LloreanAnd it should say "Previous" when music is stopped.
05:55:55duvnellhas any talked been had about having it remember the current state when powered off and restore that state when powered on .. as an option of course.. so that it would remember if it was playing, what screen you were on, etc
05:56:11duvnelland position within song of course
05:56:28duvnellthis would seem to help with books on tape for sure, and just convenience for many other things
05:57:03LloreanThere's an option to resume playback on startup...
05:57:23duvnellthat'd be sufficient for me.. lemme play with that
05:57:41LloreanI'd really suggest spending some more time with the manual. It seems like you've missed a lot of features that would've interested you.
05:57:48duvnellk
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06:09:21thejashello all
06:10:11thejasi have the new creative zen 16gb flash player and was wondering if anyone is working on a rockbox firmware for it?
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06:59:31woodensoulAnybody know for sure if Apple made any iPods with 80Gb capacity other than the 5.5 gen and classic?
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07:12:47JdGordonanyone wanna have a quick play with my new playlist editor plugin? (need ideas for features)
07:18:20rockomy boy has a
07:18:31rockoipod video with 80gigs
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07:20:26cool_walking_woodensoul: yep, those are the only two: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
07:23:34woodensoulThanks cool_walking. I couldn't find that page.
07:25:17cool_walking_Wikipedia had it too - it's generally a good place to look.
07:31:32woodensouli was thinking about getting a 80gb hard drive for my gigabeat f, but they are so hard to find and very expensive, so I might go for the 5.5 80GB iPod
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07:35:55rockoyeah
07:36:01rockoI need to get a new mp3 player
07:36:34rockoI still wanna be rockbox compatable though
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07:45:50JdGordonLlorean: you round?
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08:11:48MattAndrewIf I just registered on the wiki, can I edit my own profile or do I need to ask for write permission to the wiki first?
08:14:18JdGordonyou probably need permission....
08:14:42JdGordonMattAndrew I assume?
08:15:08MattAndrewyes
08:15:37JdGordondone... knock yourself out
08:16:05MattAndrewthanks
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08:23:04MattAndrewJdGordon, your profile on the wiki doesn't have any info. What part of Rockbox do you work on?
08:24:04JdGordonsome would say all the broken bits
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08:35:07JdGordonwhy? its green
08:35:17JdGordonoh!
08:35:32JdGordonyeah... the 4g grey has been odd more a few occasions
08:36:06amiconnNo, I am referring to Ondio SP and Player
08:36:29JdGordonthey'll show up next commit probaly
08:36:35amiconnThe reason for the sometimes odd jumps in size on PP502x is known
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08:42:23MattAndrewI'm interested in working on the hardware design for the rockbox player. Anyone in here keen on discussing that right now?
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12:04:18SongokuuHi, I've noticed a small display problem in Cabbie theme...
12:05:06SongokuuCould someone check this? This is link where I wrote about it: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=210728#post210728
12:05:34GodEaterwhy post about it there ?
12:07:00Bagderyeah, seems odd to post there and then ask us for help with it...
12:07:06SongokuuBecause I don't know other way how to tell people who are involved in making this Cabbie2.0 theme on Flyspray
12:07:25Bagderso why not use the rockbox forums?
12:07:39Bagderthat's where the cabbie development was discussed in the first place
12:07:41SongokuuAnd they asking for help when some kind of bugs are noticed
12:08:55Bagderbut if you respond to "them" asking for help, what do you want from us?
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12:10:30SongokuuI hope someone from the "Cabbie theme" wiil be here
12:10:58Bagderimho, you should not look for specific people but rather discuss your problem
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12:11:01GodEaterSongokuu: as Bagder already said, all the Cabbie developers hang out on our forums.
12:11:16SongokuuOk I will try to register on Flysray...
12:11:29GodEater*forums* not flyspray.
12:11:36SongokuuThanks guys
12:11:38Bagderif it is a bug you can file a bug report sure
12:12:36pixelmawasn't there someone already posting a link to a patch for this problem?
12:12:46SongokuuThanks <GodEater>
12:12:50pixelmafly spray link I mean
12:13:57SongokuuThere is something on Flyspray that should fix something in Cabbie on sansa but this something is not the problem I talking about
12:14:32SongokuuThanks for your time...
12:14:52GodEaterSongokuu: have you checked both the thread in the forums *and* flyspray ?
12:16:23SongokuuI checked only Flyspray...my mistake...just checking forums.
12:16:52GodEaterhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.0 <−− this is the right thread
12:16:59GodEateryou may need to check way towards the end of it though
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13:06:01Bagdermy sandisk contact is no longer working for sandisk...
13:07:47linuxstbApple?
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13:09:02Bagderno, AmazingTechProducts.com obviously
13:09:16BagderI have no idea what that is... :-)
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13:10:20peturnot that it matters of course...
13:10:29Bagderno, it's not a big loss
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13:18:17pixelmahmm... I noticed that the 2 target build which don't have a green delta in the last commit (OndioSP and Player) were done by the palmtopia.de server (and the download zips are 1 revision behind for the OndioSP and 2 for the player with the previous build done by palmtopia too) - still issues with transferring the zips back?
13:18:42BagderI'll check the logs
13:19:20Bagder"Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@palmtopia.de/build-ondiosp"
13:19:49Bagderit _could_ be the problem B-]
13:20:02pixelmareally? ;)
13:20:18Bagder-bash: zip: command not found
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15:10:08DefineByteis -58dB supposed to equal silence on Ipod Video?
15:14:56DefineByteit's like an on/off switch going from -57dB to -58dB. You even get a slight popping sound.
15:16:07markunDefineByte: probably. Maybe it should be called -inf
15:16:26DefineByteit seems a bit silly having it there x)
15:16:34DefineBytemight as well stop at -57
15:17:30DefineByteor relabel it 'off'.
15:20:34markunI think I would prefer stop at -57
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15:20:47markunwhat good is muting when you can pause or stop playback
15:20:52LambdaCalculus37Morning, everyone!
15:21:00krazykitLambdaCalculus37, the karma is in the mail :)
15:21:14markunmorning LambdaCalculus37
15:21:17LambdaCalculus37krazykit: I'll let you know when it arrives.
15:21:21DefineByteI don't know, but most things have a mute.
15:21:25LambdaCalculus37markun: Good morning!
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15:24:16markunDefineByte: but can you think of a situation where you would use it?
15:25:04DefineByteI wouldn't use it personally and I can't think of a reason why anyone would.
15:25:37DefineBytebut still, it's there at the moment mislabelled as -58dB.
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15:26:03DefineByteDo any other targets exhibit the same behaviour?
15:26:30markunprobably. Best is it check the datasheets and the code.
15:27:13markunwhen I change the volume to -74 on my Gigabeat a mute icon is displayed in the status bar
15:27:34markunat -74 I can still hear my music
15:27:41markuneh, -73
15:27:49markunat -74 it's completely silent
15:29:07DefineByteHmm, I don't show the status bar. maybe the Ipod Video does the same.
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15:29:40DefineByteplus i don't have my ipod handy at the mo.
15:30:11markuncan you see the statusbar in the settings menu?
15:30:18markunthere you can also change the volume
15:30:43DefineByteyes, I have it on in the menus. I'll get my Ipod. :)
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15:31:44markunah sorry, I thought your ipod video was your seconds player :)
15:31:46DefineByteI get a mute icon too.
15:32:35DefineByteso it is supposed to be mute. It's just displayed incorrectly in the WPS.
15:32:45markunI think we'll have to ask the 'old' guys what they think about removing it
15:32:47DefineByteand the settings menu I guess.
15:33:07DefineByteyeah. :)
15:33:58preglowremove what?
15:34:45DefineByteeither remove mute or display it correctly in the menus and WPS.
15:35:30markunpreglow: ah, you are one of the old guys, right? ;)
15:35:36preglowthe better way would be to handle mute properly
15:35:46preglowmarkun: can't say i consider myself one, no, just curious :)
15:36:31markunpreglow: so a separate mute setting in the sound settings menu?
15:36:56preglowhmm, the best way, if you ask me, would be making the last volume entry "mute" or something like that, but i don't think the settings system will like that...
15:37:28preglowa mute setting seems kind of overkill to me, if you want something like a mute function, you want it to be quickly accessible, not something you have to dig through a menu to find
15:37:56linuxstbpause is good enough for me...
15:38:00preglowme too :)
15:38:19DefineBytei don't think anyone's come up with a reason for mute yet
15:38:27DefineBytebut there it is. :)
15:38:34preglowbut yeah, there's still the point that the last volume entry is in practice mute, and the db setting it says
15:38:45preglowand NOT the db setting it says...
15:39:14n1spreglow: is that true for all our targets?
15:39:16preglowso i guess we could just gut that last step out if we're really going for consistency
15:39:21preglown1s: i'm pretty sure it is
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15:40:05linuxstbSeems the problem is that the WPS has the %pv tag, which returns the current volume in dB. So for "mute" it returns a dB value...
15:40:08preglowit is for some, though, so we might as well agree how we want it
15:40:23preglowlinuxstb: we could just not allow that last muted volume step
15:40:29preglowlinuxstb: then the wps would never have to display it
15:40:34DefineBytethe settings menu displays the dB too.
15:41:13linuxstbpreglow: That would work, but mean we lose a (possibly useful) setting...
15:41:21preglowindeed
15:41:36preglowi'd like for it to still be there
15:41:58markunpreglow: maybe people who want to play with mute also don't want to change the volume all the time
15:42:12preglowmarkun: but like linuxstb says, we just don't pause?
15:42:20preglowthere's no real reason for a separate mute setting
15:42:30preglowwe/why ...
15:42:40*preglow punches his language centre
15:42:42DefineByteit's probably just there because everyone else does it.
15:42:52preglowdoes everyone else do it?
15:42:59DefineByteand everyone else has it because it's always been there
15:43:00preglowi can't remember ever seeing a mute function on an mp3 player
15:43:11DefineByteand it's always been there because... who know
15:43:13DefineBytei think so
15:43:32preglowas far as i can remember, mute has always been either pause or lowest volume step on mp3 players
15:43:38preglowbut then again, i haven't seen all of them
15:43:38DefineBytehmm, I'll have to check the stock firmware. Never used it. xD
15:44:21pixelmathe Sansa OF also has mute as lowest volume setting and still plays the music (IIRC)
15:44:34DefineByteJust remembered I don't have any music in the Ipod's database so testing it might be a bit hard. >.>
15:44:35markunpreglow: well, I said before that I think the mute option is useless because we have mute. I though you were they one who wanted to keep it?
15:44:47markun... because we have pause :)
15:45:06linuxstbWe don't have pause in the radio though...
15:45:07DefineByteand 'pause' is quicker to get to.
15:45:13DefineByteah
15:45:45linuxstbBut I guess you can just leave the radio screen.
15:45:49DefineByteI guess you could have pause but that would be a whole 'nother feature
15:46:35DefineBytei.e. hit pause, begin saving to disk, unpause, begin playing from disk.
15:46:39preglowanywho, i don't want a mute setting, but i'd still like the last volume step to be mute, but it would also be cool if it being so was more apparent
15:46:45preglowand i can't be bothered to code it :)
15:47:22pixelmalinuxstb: you could use %?pv as conditional - the first position in the enum is a special condition for mute and the last 2 are line and above line level
15:47:54pixelmaradio has a button for mute (except on OndioFM)
15:48:18DefineBytethe WPS isn't the only thing displaying it incorrectly.
15:51:08amiconnThe lowest volume step 'mute' *is* displayed with a special icon in the status bar
15:52:34DefineByteso whoever coded the status bar thought of it. :D
15:53:23amiconnYes, and that was ages ago...
15:55:54linuxstbpixelma: But does that help if you want to display it numerically? i.e. Mute, -72dB, -71dB etc
15:56:30n1sanyone sitting on tips on how to convince gcc to save .i files, using -save-temps I get only .s files despite what the documentation says...
15:57:21pixelmalinuxstb: wanted to test if you can do something like %?pv<mute|%pv|line level|above line level> or something like that
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16:04:05pixelmaanswer: yes you can...
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16:08:41n1syay. did it :)
16:09:25LambdaCalculus37(And there was much rejoicing... yaaay yaaaay...)
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16:31:25LokiHey! I have a question, I just installed rockbox on my ipod, and It booted rockbox fine the first time, it built it's DB off what was on there and said it needed to be restarted, so I hold down play until it shuts off, now It is not turning back on
16:32:36DogBoyso what's the question
16:32:58LokiIt is not turning on, so I am trying to figure out why
16:33:24linuxstbTry holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds - ipods sometimes don't like to turn back on...
16:34:13LokiOh there we go, linuxstb thank you.
16:34:22LokiI tried holding Menu, then Select
16:34:31Lokibut i guess not together.
16:34:39nicktastique\o/
16:35:10markunhi nicktastique
16:35:52Lokiwow
16:35:54LokiThank
16:35:55Lokis
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16:42:22nicktastiquehey markun
16:42:46nicktastiquehey kugel
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16:42:56nicktastiqueany luck with that patch?
16:43:46n1samiconn: it turns out the asm line I posted the other day is indeed invalid and that the bug is in gcc, I reported it now so let's hope they fix it before releasing 4.3
16:44:14preglowwhat target?
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16:45:12n1spreglow: (if that was for me) m68k-elf
16:45:24preglowhmm, what code?
16:45:43amiconngcc 4.3 produces an instruction which is not valid for coldfire v2
16:45:43n1smove.l (%a2,%a0.l*4),76(%sp)
16:45:54preglowyeah, that's not valid
16:46:06preglowhow did you make it produce that?
16:46:11preglow4.3?
16:46:19n1shappens in Tremor with -O2 or higher, yeah with 4.3
16:46:31preglowif you want that fixed by 4.3, you really need to push hard for it
16:46:42preglowwon't be long until 4.3 is released now, i think
16:47:11n1syeah they will probably release an rc in early feb so it might be too late...
16:47:28preglowif you tickle the right people, it might work
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16:47:32preglowfind the people who did the cf work :)
16:47:53n1spreglow: any tips on where I would find them?
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16:49:34preglowThis work was contributed by Nathan Sidwell of CodeSourcery and others.
16:50:14n1spreglow: thanks, other than that, libmad fails with O2 or higher too with "error: ‘asm’ operand has impossible constraints"
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16:50:27preglowwell, shit, i had high hopes for this release
16:50:43preglowhave you found what code makes it choke?
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16:50:49preglown1s: what file, btw?
16:50:51preglowsynth.c ?
16:51:00n1ssynth.c line 623 and 724
16:51:10*amiconn never has high hopes for a gcc release
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16:51:38amiconnNot anymore, that is
16:51:47preglowamiconn: i'm starting to feel the same way...
16:51:51preglown1s: yeah, i expected that
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16:52:01preglowthat entire thing should be rewritten in asm
16:52:15preglowso we don't have to rely on gcc venting the register pressure for us
16:52:17preglowit's not good at it
16:53:00preglowit's one of the first rockbox related things i did, wasn't very good with asm at the time :/
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17:04:53markunforums down?
17:05:27thgzyes
17:05:30thgzseem like it's down
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17:05:46n1spreglow: ok, sent off a mail to Nathan Sidwell, now to wait and see
17:06:22thgzBtw, having again some .voice creation problems on cygwin...
17:07:20thgzThe process is going ok when building an English voice (the resulting file is 927 kb), but when I try to build a finnish voice, the resulting file's size varies between 5-50 kb...
17:07:56thgzHave reinstalled cygwin with rb packages and downloaded the latest build. I'm compiling for Sansa e200
17:09:57thgzNext I try the process with a completed lang (eg danish) and check the size...
17:09:58preglown1s: good :)
17:10:40thgzAnd one more note: The process with english suckeeds only if I run "make veryclean" before "make voice"
17:13:24thgzEh... Of course I can't; I haven't an equival sapi5 voice for that
17:14:20thgz*don't have
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17:31:03kugelnicktastique: hey, I downloaded the needed packages yesterday and could compile the manual
17:33:02nicktastiquekugel, Huzzah!
17:33:31kugelnicktastique: there was indeed a bit more missing than I expected :)
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17:57:24*GodEater prods at pondlife
17:57:41pondlifeHello?
17:57:49GodEaternew VM image for you to try
17:57:53GodEatersame place as last time
17:57:54pondlifeCool
17:58:02GodEaterthis one has the vmtools installed
17:58:03pondlifeRemind me...
17:58:11GodEaterhumyo.com ?
17:58:23GodEaterthe vmtools should hopefully fix the networking issue
17:58:30pondlifeYep, I knew it was another .com with a non-word name
17:59:20GodEaterin any case - I'll be pootling off home shortly
17:59:27pondlifeOK
17:59:31GodEaterso you can let me know later on how it goes :)
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18:00:02GodEaterbtw - linuxstb and I are trying to organise another pub night
18:00:04GodEateryou keen ?
18:00:09pondlifeOf course
18:00:35pondlifeAny dates proposed yet?
18:00:41GodEaternoe
18:00:47GodEateryou're the tricky one as I recall
18:00:49GodEaterwe don't care :)
18:00:51*pondlife won't propose a date in case he's forced to then change his mind again
18:00:53GodEaterso you propose a date :)
18:01:14pondlifeWell, I'm going to the Battersea Beer Festival in a week or so
18:01:22pondlifeProbably not your scene though ;)
18:01:27GodEaterBattersea has it's own beer festival ?
18:01:34rasherGodEater: what does your vm image intend to do?
18:01:35pondlifeA little one
18:01:47*pondlife awaits petur
18:01:51GodEatermake pondlife's life easier :)
18:01:59*linuxstb googles for the battersea beer festival
18:02:15GodEaterit's a RB dev environment, with openssh server installed
18:02:20pondlifeThe idea is to increase the number of build servers
18:02:23GodEaterso it can be run as a build server
18:02:28GodEaterand also as a dev env.
18:02:39GodEaterit's currently in it's experimental stage :)
18:02:50pondlifeI already have a dev env, but a Windows build server is a scary thing..
18:03:07GodEaterobviously the dev env bit isn't required for you
18:03:10GodEaterbut others might like it
18:03:15GodEaterright
18:03:17GodEaterhome time for me
18:03:19rasherMine is a pure buildserver
18:03:19GodEaterlater chaps
18:03:26LambdaCalculus37Good night, GodEater!
18:03:41rasherTrying to get it as trimmed down as possible
18:04:21rasherThere's some setup time though, as it doesn't come with the build tools pre-installed
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19:24:56tricondaI have a first gen iPod video that the screen's fubar on.. giving auto install & rockbox a whirl..
19:25:03tricondaguessing playlists is fun but.. ugh.
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19:25:49Domonokytriconda: you could use the voice ui to navigate rockbox with a broken screen :-)
19:25:49LambdaCalculus37triconda: You know you can make Rockbox speak for you, right?
19:26:11LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto
19:27:06tricondaLambdaCalculus37: that's why I chose rockbox to begin with :)
19:27:13tricondaI mean, I miss out on games, but w/e
19:28:07LambdaCalculus37triconda: If you also want to repair your iPod at a later date, try these guys: http://www.ifixit.com
19:28:19tricondaty ty.
19:29:04tricondaI swear, apple's got you boatanchored to a warrenty if it's damaged it's a no-go
19:33:42LambdaCalculus37No, not really.
19:34:45LambdaCalculus37Apple happily fixed my sister's (now mine) 4G color when the original hard drive crashed spectacularly on her.
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19:39:45tricondaI had a 3rd gen before (I think? it was ages ago.) and the hd crashed something amazing.
19:39:50tricondaonly had a 1 year warrenty..
19:40:01tricondabut in it's last days it thought it was a 1TB HD.
19:40:15tricondaI just stared at the info in explorer.. should've screen capped, lol.
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19:57:41HorschtForums down?
19:57:54karashatayep
19:57:57PaulJamfor me too.
19:58:12Horschtk, not my ISP then. thanks
19:58:30PaulJammisticriver.net doesn't even resolve to an IP adress.
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20:00:43bluebrotherthe forums are hosted by Jeff of misticriver
20:01:18Horschtah, i see
20:01:35LambdaCalculus37They've been down most of the day.
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20:29:20DerPapstbon soir :-)
20:30:05DerPapstif i declare a viewport... what are the xmargin and ymargin values for?
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20:36:55gevaertsDoes anyone know the status of software UMS support ? All I can find is that it is not done yet, but a bit more detail would be useful.
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20:39:40LambdaCalculus37gevarts: As it stands, all supported PortalPlayer targets (iPod, Sansa, iriver H10) can only charge through USB. Windows will detect the device as "Rockbox Media Player", but you still can't transfer files to your device via Rockbox.
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20:40:12amiconnThat's not entirely correct
20:40:13nardulmsg nickserv identify kasper
20:40:18narduleh
20:40:30rashernardul: better change your password quick
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20:40:44nardulrasher, 1, i'm not sure how, 2 it's not really a problem :P
20:40:49*LambdaCalculus37 allows amiconn to explain it better
20:40:51amiconnAll ipods can also charge via firewire, even those not supporting firewire for data transfer, and even if rockbox doesn't display that it charges
20:41:15rashernardul: /msg nickserv set password newpass
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20:41:19amiconnAnd the 1st+2nd Gen can of *not* charge via usb of course....
20:41:39amiconn(as they don't have usb at all)
20:42:25nardulDoes anyone know why my ipod suddenly cannot resume bookmarks properly? It does not go to the appropriate time, it simple goes to the beginning of the file?
20:42:45nardulAny why if an audio file is already playing i have to load a bookmark twice.
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20:44:00LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Many thanks for the explanation. :)
20:44:03nardulAnd yes, i did update rockbox.
20:44:17tmp121i'm unable to access the rb forums (server times out), so i couldn't search, but... what's the status of sansa "v2" support −− is it being actively worked on atm?
20:44:35gevaertsLambdaCalculus37, amiconn : I understood that much. What I actually wanted to know is : the new USB stack has a WIP storage driver (usb_storage.c), but it is not clear what needs to be done to finish it. I might work on it, but I'd like a bit more information about the current status first.
20:45:32Learnardul: what file format are you bookmarking?
20:45:52nardullear .mp3
20:46:04pixelmait wouldn't surprise me if that was the same problem as with resuming that's there currently...
20:46:08Learnardul: Now that should work. And does work fine for me...
20:46:33nardulLear, afaik it's worked fine for me aswell. That's what's weird.
20:46:47rashergevaerts: There's something on the wiki, and other than that, Zagor / Björn Stenberg is the one you want
20:47:10Learnardul: When did the problem begin?
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20:47:50nardulLear, A couple of days ago when i updated Rockbox
20:48:03*Lear is currently using a build that is over a week old...
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20:48:29nardulLear, i just updated again. It's the same.
20:48:31LearFrom which to which revision? Or which daily build, if you know that.
20:49:01pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20080129#00:23:26 and following, interestingly I changed a bit in my WPS today and since then it's working but probably the nature of race conditions...
20:49:11nardulLear, daily build, Version: r16181-080129
20:50:59LearFrom version is of more interest, actually... :)
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20:53:25nardulLear, ah, sorry, Rockbox 30gb version
20:53:31nardulLear, 5.5gen'
20:54:03LearNo, I mean the last daily build that you used which didn't show the problem.
20:54:29Lear(As in updated from version to version y...)
20:55:04gevaertsrasher: I didn't find any up-to-date stuff on the wiki. The only information I can find about the code status is FS #7962. I'll try asking on the mailing list.
20:55:31nardulLear, I really can't say. I'm sorry. It's a while since i updated.
20:56:43LearIf you feel like trying a couple of builds, I'd suggest Jan 18 and Jan 19. I saw some problems in the Jan 19 version (which is why I'm running a slightly old build.)
20:56:44rashergevaerts: eh, I meant flyspray, yes
20:57:59nardulLear, Shouldn't be a problem. I had some weird errors today aswell about unfinished rockbox installation which puzzled me alot. I've had some bad blocks problems, but it doesn't seem to be that.
20:58:04nardulLear, But thanks
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21:00:41pixelmaLear: just digging in the mailing list - you thought your "buffering strangeness" was related to the strip extension commit? Just asking because the commit I was referring to this night was right after that...
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21:02:01pixelmamy testing yesterday showed that the problem began with r16105 and revision 16104 worked fine
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21:07:54Learpixelma: Not really. When I wrote that I only knew that jan 18 build worked fine, and the 19 build was not. But I had noticed that buffer overflow possibility, so I mentioned that too.
21:08:09LearLater I tested 16104 too, and found it working well too.
21:08:19LearGood to have the problem confirmed though. :)
21:09:36Lear(But I should commit my fix to strip_extension...)
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21:23:18julle-Why is my videos lagging on my ipod video 30gb. i tried the mpegplayer which is installed
21:23:33julle-i tried with an elephant's dream which is the reference movie on your site.
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21:23:49Horschthave you also seen the reference FPS?
21:24:21julle-i also encoded a movie using WinFF and your recommended presets.xml
21:24:34Horschtmpegplayer port does not utilize the Video decoder chip of the ipod
21:24:36PaulJamjulle-: have you cahnged any of the settings? Limit FPS and Skip Frames should be enabled.
21:24:38julle-Horscht 22fps/s is what i got from reference
21:24:59julle-PaulJam ahaa okey i haven't turned that on.
21:25:56DerPapstany viewports experts around
21:25:58DerPapst?
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21:26:51PaulJamjulle-: btw, on an ipod video i would recommend to use the apple firmware to watch movies, mpegplayer has a bad performance in this target.
21:27:59julle-hmm yeah, thats bad that its not working properly. :(
21:28:30julle-To enlarge the size of the font, is there a way to do so?
21:28:41PaulJamchosse a larger font.
21:28:51DerPapstIf i make a new viewport and in this viewport i want to display a menu, made with macro magic (MENUITEM_STRINGLIST) it shows up fine. But the selectionbar isn't what the user has defined. It's light blue and the text on the selectionbar is then invisibe.
21:29:14julle-what is the default size?
21:29:15DerPapstwhich is kinda bad...
21:30:15DerPapstdo i have to change stuff in the declaration of the viewport?
21:30:26PaulJamjulle-: i think the default font has a size of 6x8. have you installed the fonts package?
21:30:30nardulLear, I just tried the 18th january build and i can resume as i could before. But it still fails if theres something playing. Any solution to that?
21:30:42DerPapstand what are all those .*_pattern thingys for?
21:30:46julle-PaulJam yes i have
21:32:12BigBambiThen select a different one
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21:32:39julle-done, thanks
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21:38:24Learnardul: Not really. I think that is an older bug, perhaps from when metadata-on-buffer was implemented...
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21:39:55nardulLear, Okay then. Not that that means anything to me :) . Was just wondering if there were any tips.
21:40:53Learnardul: I have one idea that could be worth trying, but it requires coding...
21:41:30nardulLear, I'm afraid i'm a bit beyond complete noob in coding. well, not really, but nowhere near anythong important i'm afraid
21:43:19DerPapstviewport experts: ok, i now know what these lss lse and lst patterns are for. But if i declare the viewport with LCD_DEFAULT_BG for all these 3 values it doesn't use what the user uses in hir settings.
21:43:53DerPapstall 3 values are set to light blue by default
21:44:02julle-what is the best features on the rockbox do you guys think? i'm just curious incase i've forgot something useful or cool :D
21:45:26DerPapstthe very incomplete documented plugin api? *cough*
21:45:28*DerPapst runs
21:46:03*nardul runs after DerPapst with one shoe on his foot, and one in his hand!
21:46:18nardulOr something
21:46:23nardulSudoku is pretty cool
21:46:31nardulThe massive amounts of plugins
21:46:38BigBambijulle-: I suggest reading the manual
21:46:40DerPapstbut i'll figure it out with looking at other plugins and asking lots of question... :-P
21:47:15nardulI integrate it with bashscripts and download podcasts, Which works great.
21:47:52linuxstbDerPapst: Are you using plain SVN Rockbox, or the list-in-viewport patch (FS #8457) ?
21:49:02julle-nardul yeah podcasts would be great to have. is bashscripting essential to get it to work?
21:49:12DerPapstlinuxstb: svn
21:50:31julle-I am amazed by this project and so happy that there all these great people who made this possible! i mean FLAC on the ipod and all the advanced sound features is just stunning. this software made the ipod worth a whole lot more :) So thank you!
21:51:01PaulJamjulle-: podcasts are just normal audio files, so you can choose whatever method you prefer to get the files on you player
21:51:41julle-PaulJam hehe that is very true, forgot that :D not been using my ipod for a while until today!
21:53:02linuxstbDerPapst: You may want to look at FS #8457 then... Although it doesn't appear to do what you want - allow the caller of the list widget to specify the viewport. It just uses a single global settings for all lists.
21:53:54LambdaCalculus37Going now... good night!
21:53:56linuxstbDerPapst: It's not as simple as just settings a viewport - the menu code will think it's drawing onto a full-screen sized window.
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21:54:25DerPapstA single global setting for all list would be ok. But for now i think i just define my own colors.
21:54:55linuxstbYou can get the user's settings via global_settings.lse_color (etc)
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21:55:14DerPapstlinuxstb: my mini example works fine so far except with the colour issues of the selection bar.
21:55:17DerPapstoh
21:55:21DerPapstneat..
21:55:24*DerPapst tries
21:55:43linuxstbI'm guessing your menu items don't scroll in any direction?
21:56:00DerPapstno.. they're pretty short
21:57:08DerPapsthaven't even botherd supporting all the other targets for now. but the strings should fit on any bitmap lcd.
21:57:47linuxstbWe have some targets with small LCDs...
21:58:24rasherAnd large fonts..
21:58:30*DerPapst checks the wiki for screen resolutions
21:58:32pixelmathe user can have a big font set - if you use the user font
21:58:54DerPapsti think i'll force the sysfont
21:59:02rasherNasty
21:59:05*linuxstb slaps DerPapst
21:59:10DerPapsti don't care :-P
21:59:27DerPapstit's more for fun.
21:59:41DerPapst*ill think about usabillty if i want to see it in SVN
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22:00:51DerPapstfor now it's just try and error. and lots of plugins use the sysfont, so my plugin isn't an exception ;-)
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22:02:09linuxstbDerPapst: Sure, I'm just saying that what you're doing shouldn't work, and probably won't work in the future...
22:02:32linuxstbi.e. the list widget should be setting it's viewports, not you.
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22:04:00DerPapstmmhm.. i only wanted to avoid implementing my own menu code like e.g. jewels does
22:04:46DerPapstbecause i display a graphic at the top and below that the menu.
22:05:04DerPapstand i though it would be the easiest to use vieports for that.
22:05:07DerPapst:-)
22:05:35*DerPapst wonders... are there any larger fonts then nimbus 19?
22:06:14linuxstbDerPapst: Sadly the code isn't there yet for that...
22:06:34linuxstbWe need FS #8457 to be finished and committed.
22:06:43DerPapstthat would be FS #8457 then?
22:06:48DerPapstheh
22:06:49DerPapstok
22:06:52rasherDerPapst: plenty
22:07:56DerPapsti guess i'll leave it as it is now and if i'm really bored i'll implement my own menu code (riped off from jewels or so ;-))
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22:09:55pixelmaaren't there some plugins that use standard menus (sudoku or chopper or so)?
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22:10:37linuxstbI thought most do now. Apart from maybe the "opening screen" - things like brickmania
22:10:59DerPapstthey do, but the menu starts at 0,0 and they don't have an own "Backdrop"
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22:12:16linuxstbIf you fix 8457, you can then fix all the plugins to have nice menus ;)
22:13:07DerPapstnah.. i'll better leave that to the pros... otherwise rockbox will end up with too much bloat and bugs :-P
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22:14:30XavierGrwhat happened on the forums, I get a database error on all pages... :\
22:15:37DerPapstmaybe someone was sick of all those support questions and droped all tables?
22:15:56qwedsais rocbox compiling fine whit gcc 3.4.6?
22:16:08linuxstbFor which CPU?
22:16:24qwedsacoldfire
22:16:28n1syup
22:16:35qwedsaok thanks
22:16:48linuxstb3.4.6 is the recommended version for Coldfire.
22:17:35qwedsaok because wiki sais 3.4.5 in the gentoo grossdev section, but thats of the tree
22:18:21linuxstbThose gentoo instructions should possibly be removed - they cause various problems. We would recommend running the rockboxdev.sh script instead.
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22:19:19qwedsaok linuxstb, will try that one then :)
22:19:56julle-super mario bros on rockbox is that possible?
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22:20:05n1sheh, the © at the bottom of each wikipage says 1999-2006, might be time to update :)
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22:20:50DerPapstlinuxstb: i'Ve made a huuuuge string for a menu option and used nimbus 19 and it scrolls fine.
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22:21:49linuxstbDerPapst: OK, but I think you'll have problems if your menu is too tall for the screen.
22:22:00linuxstbI mean too tall for your viewport...
22:22:06DerPapstyou mean too many options
22:22:08DerPapst?
22:22:15linuxstbYes
22:23:18*DerPapst tries again
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22:23:47JdGordon|wrklinuxstb: ill try and finish the list patch tonight
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22:24:10markunI downloaded a radio program in mp3 to my Gigabeat today. I sound pretty screwed up. I thought something was wrong with the download but it sounds ok on my PC. Will investigate a bit.
22:24:30linuxstbJdGordon|wrk: What about letting the code that calls the list widget specify the viewport? So e.g. plugins can locate their menus where they want to?
22:25:43JdGordon|wrkthey can... thats what the parent viewport is for... atm only draw_lists() uses it though, but both will be exported
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22:31:24Bagderrasher: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rbclient-authorized_keys2
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22:32:40rasherBagder: neat, I'll have a 70mb boot-wait-and-go buildserver vm in a minute, then
22:32:55Bagdergreat!
22:32:57rasherin fact
22:33:01rasherwill that file stay there?
22:33:08Bagdersure
22:33:24rasherThat way it can just download it from there, so the image won't have to be updated in case the keys change
22:34:10scorche`Bagder: do you happen to know if LinusN has Jeff's email address?
22:34:22Bagderscorche: I'm pretty sure he does
22:34:42amiconnAs from what I know about public key cryptography, the public key can be published without problems (hence its name), but users (in this case build server owners) should not use it without verification whether this public key is the correct one
22:35:06Lloreanamiconn: That's the theory, yes.
22:35:28Bagderright, since they'll let the owners of the private part login
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22:36:24rasherI'll display the contents of the file, and ask the user to verify it after downloading
22:36:30amiconnYes, and someone could make another key pair and publish its public part as the 'rbclient' key
22:36:53amiconnThis way that person would gain access to the build server(s) which install this key without verification...
22:37:46rasherAssuming they could get that pubkey placed on that URL
22:37:51LloreanYes
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22:38:01LloreanThey'd also have to know which buildservers have installed it.
22:38:09LloreanAND those buildservers would have to not notice that they're not building.
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22:39:25JdGordon|wlinuxstb: have you seen the images in the last comment on the list patch? thats because the whole screen isnt cleared anymore, only the parent viewport... what should we do about this?
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22:42:20DerPapstlinuxstb: you're right (not that i doubted it ;-)) but since it isn't an issue on the iPod video and e200 for now i'll leave it until said patch is finished and in SVN :-)
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22:42:50JdGordon|wderpapst: whats the issue?
22:45:00DerPapstif i declare a viewport e.g. with half the heigh of the LCD and draw a menu in there the last items might not be shon and i can't scroll down, since the menu coda assumes the full LCD in heigh.
22:45:39DerPapst*height and *shown and *code and *height again
22:45:43DerPapsti rock :-/
22:46:16JdGordon|wdraw a menu how?
22:46:32DerPapstwith MENUITEM_STRINGLIST
22:47:33DerPapstand rb->do_menu()
22:48:12JdGordon|w... can you pop a message to that effect on the tracker? the menu shouldnt be caring about the list size and sounds like a bug
22:49:23DerPapsti'm using plain svn and not FS #8457
22:50:09JdGordon|woh... well then duh! :p
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22:51:34DerPapst;-) should have said that earlier... but eh...
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22:52:39rasherNow compressing what will hopefully be the first release-worthy "Rockbox buildserver vmware vm"
22:57:24julle-isn't there anything i can do to make videos run smoother on my ipod video 30gb with mpegplayer? i've done limit fps, skip frames...?
22:57:54DerPapstfigure out how to use the boradcom chip...
22:57:56*DerPapst runs
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22:58:07Bagderor resize it down to a tiny tiny size ;-)
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22:58:52JdGordon|wlinuxstb: still around?
22:59:22julle-Bagder i could live with a lesser audio quality. but is that customizatible?
22:59:57*Bagder knows very little about the mpeg plugin
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23:00:18DerPapstiirc it's fixed to 44.1kHz
23:00:51LloreanAudio quality doesn't really affect the iPods for Mpegplayer
23:00:58LloreanThe audio is decoded separately from the video, on the other core.
23:01:29DerPapstbut maybe you can use less then 128kbps or so. But iirc video and audio decoding don't happen on the same core. so the impact might be very little
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23:01:43*DerPapst is too slow
23:01:47DerPapstas usual
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23:03:17julle-well can i lower the video quality in WinFF?
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23:04:08einhirnI'm tweaking on replaygain for MAS-Based players, trying to apply the new settings earlier after the track change is audible. I tried updating the replaygain settings in an audio_event_handler but I now get "I09:CPUAdrEr at #Memory_adress" - I presume that I destroy the context (registers, stack etc.) from within the Interrupt handler, so how can I save that?
23:04:36DerPapstjulle-: iirc the problem is not the video, it's the amount of full LCD updates that can be done with the current LCD driver.
23:05:36Lloreanjulle-: Your best bet is to just encode at a lower frame rate. 15fps still looks moderately smooth to the human eye, and will decode a lot better than a 30fps video trying to frame skip
23:06:55einhirn(file I'm working on is "firmware/mpeg.c", lines 786, static void transfer end(void) - it calls audio_dispatch_event which in turn calls an event handler that I wrote.)
23:06:59amiconnIf only we could use the bcm at least for yuv->rgb conversion...
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23:08:49DerPapstamiconn: has anyone ever tried to disassemble the firmware of the boradcom chip?
23:09:13*DerPapst guesses yes...
23:09:53amiconnI have no idea.
23:10:23markunDerPapst: which instruction set is used?
23:10:27amiconnI don't even know what architecture the bcm uses, if that is known at all
23:10:29DerPapsti thought that one could maybe send calls to that chip.
23:10:45DerPapsteh. i have no idea either
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23:13:35julle-Llorean Thank you very much for that tip!
23:16:41markunanyone interested in an mp3 file which plays fine in mplayer/ffmpeg, but not in madplay/rockbox?
23:17:39LinusNbad crc?
23:18:35markunI get a lot of "lost synchronization" and "Huffman data overrun" in madplay
23:18:38julle-where do i find the rockboy plugin (GNUboy to Rockbox which allows you to play Gameboy games), i've looked in Plugins...
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23:18:46n1sLinusN: I think it's about time to update the © notice in the wiki (footer of every page) :)
23:18:54krazykitjulle-, read the manual, please. it will explain.
23:19:17markunLinusN: I remuxed it with ffmpeg and now it plays fine..
23:19:40julle-krazykit i've been reading the wiki about the plugin. i am reading at the wrong place?
23:19:44einhirnjulle-: do you search "rockboy"?
23:20:08*einhirn slaps head - should learn to read
23:20:15*amiconn is quite sure that the viewer concept is explained in the manual
23:20:18Lloreanjulle-: "Manual" is not the same as "Wiki"
23:21:02markunshould be in the wiki as well
23:21:43Lloreanmarkun: The first two lines on the Rockboy page do explain it. "It does not show up in the "Browse Plugins" list." and so on.
23:21:44markunjulle-: the first line in the wiki: "It is included in the Rockbox builds and functions as a viewer (you simply select the .gb or .gbc files to launch them). It does not show up in the "Browse Plugins" list."
23:21:48LinusNn1s: better?
23:22:01LinusNmarkun: interesting
23:22:10n1sLinusN: much :D
23:22:12julle-hehe, thanks for the help on the way to the manual. i knew that i've read it before but couldn't find it again
23:22:33markunLinusN: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/n080128.mp3
23:23:04LinusNmarkun: thx
23:24:00*amiconn wonders whether the mas would play it
23:24:10markunLinusN: don't mind the content. It's chinese news in esperanto ;)
23:24:19LinusN:-)
23:24:51preglown1s: please tell me if you get a reply from the codesourcery guy, btw
23:24:56JdGordon|wis anyone still planning on merging sw/hwcodecs?
23:24:59preglowi'm very interested in gcc 4.3 and coldfire
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23:25:49n1spreglow: I got an automatic response that he's gone for the rest of the week but yeah, I'll tell you if I get anything else
23:25:50amiconnJdGordon: Sure, but the swcodec engine is still far from the robustness of the hwcodec playback engine...
23:26:03preglown1s: sucks :/
23:26:12linuxstbmarkun: If it helps, mpg123 fails as well on your file...
23:26:42amiconnThe occasional hard freeze problem is still there. Just got one on H180 last weekend (and had no paperclip with me) :\
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23:28:15rasheramiconn: it also does a lot less
23:28:21rashermore.
23:28:31markunlinuxstb: I wonder if ffmpeg just added some hack to work around files which are broken in the same way
23:28:38aggelidishi guys can i just learned about rockbox project
23:28:54aggelidisand it seems really amazing.... i would like to ask though
23:29:01preglowgo ahead
23:29:10aggelidisif is is possible
23:29:12amiconnmarkun: mas also has severe problems playing that file. Short bursts of audio separated by muted passages
23:29:21aggelidisto load it on an ipod nano 2nd gen
23:29:23markunI downloaded the file from a streaming server (mms://) maybe that has something to do with it?
23:29:30 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
23:29:45preglowaggelidis: nope
23:30:00amiconnOh, and it ends much earlier that its predicted playing time suggests
23:30:23preglowmarkun: might be... check the file to see that the metadata hasn't been interleaved in the mp3 data
23:30:30aggelidisdoes anyone know why this isn't possible?
23:30:41preglowaggelidis: because no one has ported rockbox to it yet
23:30:52preglowaggelidis: and the reason for that is that there is no information on the hardware, and apple have encrypted everything on it
23:30:54markunpreglow: any idea how to do that?
23:30:58amiconnrasher: That's no excuse for instability...
23:31:02linuxstbmarkun: Running "mplayer -dumpaudio" seems to clean the file...
23:31:04preglowmarkun: xxd? :)
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23:31:29linuxstbmarkun: It's an ASF file...
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23:31:34markunah!
23:31:44markunthat explains it :)
23:31:45aggelidispreglow: but also apple hasn't released info about the other ipods...{i think..}
23:31:53amiconnmp3 in an asf container??
23:31:59markunthe remuxed file was 170KB smaller
23:32:03preglowaggelidis: correct, but those didn't have such high-grade encryption, so it was possible to figure things out
23:32:14aggelidisooo i see..
23:32:15preglowamiconn: why not? that's what containers are for
23:32:43preglowaggelidis: we'd love nothing more than to support them and the newer ipods, but yeah, it's a lot of work and requires expensive equipment
23:32:45markundamn, why didn't I try "file resumo071212.wma" which gives "resumo071212.wma: Microsoft ASF" ...
23:33:35aggelidisi didn't know...
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23:34:06BenniBoyahey, if i want to build the bootloader on linux
23:34:12BenniBoyawhat build tools do i need'
23:34:18linuxstbWhich bootloader?
23:34:24BenniBoyaipod bootloader
23:34:46preglowall the tools you need to build regular rockbox
23:34:46n1sBenniBoya: let rockboxdev.sh do the dirty work for you
23:34:49preglowthe bootloader is just a mini rockbox
23:35:00n1ssee CrossCompiler wiki page
23:35:12BenniBoyahow do i run rockbocdev.sh though?
23:35:17linuxstbBenniBoya: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
23:35:22BenniBoyaty
23:35:50pixelmaLinusN: do you have any news about the forum btw.?
23:36:02BenniBoyathe ipod rockbox bootloader supports ipodlinux right?
23:36:18LinusNpixelma: is ir broken again?
23:36:18einhirnLinusN or amiconn - can you tell me how to call "functions that do very much" safely from within an Interrupt handler on the Archos Recorder?
23:36:39pixelmayes, for a few hours already
23:36:49preglowLinusN: perhaps it'd be wise to host the forums ourselves?
23:36:52LinusNbut i fixed that an hour ago
23:37:00preglowi don't think the maintainance overhead is too big
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23:37:21amiconneinhirn: isrs should never do very much.
23:37:43pixelmaLinusN: still can't access it
23:37:45einhirnamiconn: isrs?
23:37:53amiconninterrupt service routines
23:37:57scorche|wLinusN: do you think you could gently ask Jeff how much BW the forums use?...i have been thinking about hosting them depending on the BW usage
23:38:05*Bagder can read the forum fine
23:38:08JdGordon|wyay.. forums are bakc
23:38:11*scorche|w can too now
23:38:29amiconnIf you need to do things that take longer than a few milliseconds (at maximum) the isr should just post an event to a queue, and a thread should do the time consuming stuff
23:38:57LinusNscorche|w: sure
23:39:18LinusNpixelma: you seem to be the only one that can't access the forum
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23:39:37LloreanI couldn't get to it for hours, but it seems to be okay now, for the moment
23:39:43LinusNpixelma: perhaps the failure is still in your browser cache?
23:39:49amiconnThe greyscale library is already an edge case - it spends more than 50% of the whole cpu time in an isr (for fullscreen)
23:39:56amiconnOn archos, that is
23:40:38BenniBoyahey hoq big are the rockbox build tools once installed?
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23:41:04Bagderfor arm, some ~60MB
23:41:17BenniBoyado i need build essentials
23:41:22Bagderyes
23:41:33BenniBoyaim using a debian based distrib called pendrivelinux'
23:41:35BenniBoyaoh ok
23:41:37linuxstbThey're essential...
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23:41:40BenniBoyalol
23:41:49BenniBoyaso apt-get install buildessentials?
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23:42:08krazykitBigBambi, build-essential, i believe it's called
23:42:13BenniBoyaok ty
23:42:16BigBambieh?
23:42:19rasherActually you don't need dpkg-dev or g++
23:42:23rasher(which is in build-essential)
23:42:27Bagderisn't all this already mentioned in the wiki page?
23:42:29scorche|wBigBambi: misfire, looks like
23:42:32einhirnamiconn: Hmmk, if you look into firmware/mpeg.c at line 804, there is a call to "audio_dispatch_event" - I wanted to use that mechanism to apply new replaygain settings after a track change - but as I wrote, I now get "I09:CPUAdrEr at #adress"
23:42:33BigBambiah
23:42:35krazykitBigBambi, tab completion craziness
23:43:03BigBambiI arrive and immediately receive some build-essential style advice. Appreciated, but ... :)
23:43:05BenniBoyaif i had a persistant partion of 100mb, would that be enough for the build tools and stuff?
23:43:05einhirnamiconn: Seems like I either take to long, or destroy some register, stack etc...
23:43:09LinusNeinhirn: that could be anything
23:43:27amiconnOr you're just doing illegal addressing somehow
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23:43:57amiconnThe address is usually very helpful for finding the problem, if it is consistent
23:44:04einhirnamiconn: If I "actively" - ie. press the next track button - change the track, it doesn't crash...
23:44:21pixelmaLinusN: ok sorry, the error was here - solved now :\
23:44:23BenniBoyarockbox is writen in c right?
23:44:27amiconnYou'll need the .map file, plus a disassembly of the module in question
23:44:44BigBambiBenniBoya: Mostly, plus some ASM
23:44:51BenniBoyaasm?
23:45:00BigBambiassembly
23:45:07BenniBoyaok
23:45:13julle-does rockbox improve the battery life anything?
23:45:24scorche|wjulle-: that depends on the device
23:45:25einhirnamiconn: Ok... Well, I just tried to change the replaygain settings earlier than in the "mpeg queue"...
23:45:27BenniBoyabecause i got this microsoft c# and c++ thing, if i wanted to learn, which would i start using
23:45:31LinusNjulle-: on some platforms
23:45:32BigBambijulle-: On some players yes, on others no
23:45:40julle-scorche ipod video
23:45:46einhirnamiconn: seems that it's not the best idea.
23:45:56BigBambijulle-: Not as of yet
23:46:02scorche|wBenniBoya: C# and C++ are not C although they are similar
23:46:13BenniBoyaok
23:46:20amiconneinhirn: Ahem, are you calling mas communication functions from within the isr?
23:46:31einhirnamiconn: yes ;)
23:46:33amiconnThat is bound to crash...
23:46:43BenniBoyawhere could i go to learn c?
23:46:55einhirnamiconn: That would explain it ;)
23:46:55BenniBoyaive got the microsoft visual studio cd
23:46:56BigBambigoogle?
23:46:57julle-okey well the battery meter is fairly correct right? because mine in the original firmwire from apple is not. that can show that i have minimun battery life when i just made a full recharge. :/
23:47:00BenniBoyaok
23:47:16amiconni2c communication must not be used from within an isr, because it's not interrupt protected
23:47:22amiconn(on sh)
23:47:29BigBambijulle-: Percentage should be OK I think, remaining time is not
23:47:34BenniBoyasearching c on google does work!
23:47:40BigBambiheh
23:47:43julle-BigBambi okey thanks
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23:49:19einhirnamiconn: so could I somehow post a "priority event" into the mpeg (or any other queue) to change the replaygain settings "now"?
23:50:59amiconnReplaygain should be applied in track_change() - that's what is called by the mpeg thread when it receives MPEG_TRACK_CHANGE
23:51:07einhirnamiconn: I am now experiencing some fractions of the next track with the replaygain settings of the previous track. Of course I could live with that, but by striving for "perfection" I try to get my patch committed sooner
23:51:39BenniBoyais there an equivilent of visual basic 2007 for c?
23:51:47einhirnamiconn: yes, thats what I did until now, it applies the new gain values some split seconds after the track change is audible.
23:51:53amiconnI would expect the replaygain setting to be applied a fraction of a second too early even if it's applied in the thread
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23:52:15einhirnamiconn: yes, I know, somehow it's the other way around ;)
23:52:17amiconn(depending on bitrate, and getting worse with lower bitrate - due to the buffer in the mas itself)
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23:52:49scorche|wBenniBoya: you are only going to be able to compile rockbox using gcc (which is what rockboxdev.sh sets up for you)
23:53:22BenniBoyaim going to compile rockbox in a portable linux environment'
23:53:35BenniBoyabut i was going tom learn and write it while im i windows
23:53:37amiconneinhirn: I think your patch is good enough - it just needs to be tested and committed
23:54:28amiconnUnfortunately my only interest in replaygain on mas is for completeness (supporting all features on all targets whenever possible), so it's rather moderate :/
23:54:48einhirnOk, I'm reverting my working copy from this evenings trespasses and will then upload a new diff that should apply cleanly to current SVN rev.
23:55:07amiconnI never used replaygain so far, and I have no reason to change that (except for a few test tracks)
23:55:32 Quit BenniBoya ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 3.0b2/2007121120]")
23:56:49einhirnamiconn: I remember you saying that ;) I've tested the patch for the last some months, no problems except the occassional glitch a'la "new track starts rather loud, then volume is adjusted"...
23:57:41amiconnDoes the patch "unapply" the old replaygain, then apply the new, or is it a direct transition?
23:57:43einhirnamiconn: if you could point me to the +5.95db that could be enabled in the analog output, I'd be grateful and would implement/test it
23:58:12einhirnamiconn: direct transition ie: clean svn tree, apply patch
23:58:31amiconnI'm not talking about the patching...
23:58:37amiconn...but about the gain

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