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| 00:04:31 | linuxstb | kugel: I think that's normal, and you can ignore it. (a quirk in the build system) |
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| 00:04:44 | kugel | Ok, thanks |
| 00:07:13 | FMA1394 | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
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| 00:07:45 | FMA1394 | [16:47] <FMA1394> Is there a way to produce sound (like from an mp3) through the piezo speaker on the iPod 5th gen? |
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| 00:08:40 | BigBambi | FMA1394: If anyone knows, they will answer |
| 00:08:50 | BigBambi | There is no need to repeatedly ask |
| 00:09:23 | FMA1394 | Ah, ok. |
| 00:10:02 | BigBambi | Also, quoting the time isn't too helpful - to me that looks like you asked 8 and a half hours ago |
| 00:10:18 | BigBambi | :) |
| 00:10:39 | kugel | linuxstb: FS #8527, I think I completed my work on scroll button rename now :) |
| 00:10:43 | pixelma | I'm not sure where I should post my finding about the resume problem - there are bug reports about resume failures but I'm not sure if they are really related :\ |
| 00:11:04 | pixelma | or the same thing |
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| 00:14:15 | pixelma | hi jhMikeS |
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| 00:21:16 | jhMikeS | hello pixelma |
| 00:21:52 | * | jhMikeS managed to use a windows version sendfirm to load nk.bin to a gigabeat S. :) |
| 00:22:16 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 00:22:38 | * | Llorean eagerly awaits a "GigabeastPatcher.exe" :-P |
| 00:22:47 | jhMikeS | Llorean: so it's normal so far to have it freeze at the logo with some garbage? |
| 00:23:01 | Llorean | At the Rockbox logo? |
| 00:23:04 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:23:07 | Llorean | I *think* so |
| 00:23:26 | pixelma | there's a problem with resume on my c200 (it only resumes from a beginning of a file - either the one it was supposed to resume or the next track) and after a bit testing I found that this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16105 commit broke it... any ideas? |
| 00:24:12 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think XavierGr was having it do that too |
| 00:24:35 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think pixelma's question was directed to you. |
| 00:24:43 | pixelma | it is reproducable, even with manual stop and resume and without reboot cycle |
| 00:24:43 | Llorean | :) |
| 00:24:53 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I was talking about the logo freeze |
| 00:25:15 | rasher | pixelma: from the sounds of a flyspray comment (I forget by whom), that commit exosed probems elsewhere |
| 00:25:21 | jhMikeS | pixelma: yes, there's race conditions in playback that the differing thread execution timing makes show up |
| 00:25:26 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, sorry, mixing threads is confusing. Yeah, I think that's what they're still trying to fix the interrupts for. |
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| 00:27:40 | pixelma | jhMikeS, Llorean: sorry for not putting the nick in front :) |
| 00:27:59 | jhMikeS | pixelma: The SPC codec failure is also a symptom of that. The freeze on the dual core version was just lack of an init before the codec failure but that's fixed. |
| 00:31:37 | pixelma | jhMikeS: if there are race conditionsit could have happened before too but less likely? |
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| 00:33:11 | jhMikeS | pixelma: sure. in one form, one thread could have always before another where the blocking with mutexes switch that temporally. |
| 00:33:22 | jhMikeS | *always run |
| 00:33:54 | pixelma | if you say so... ;) |
| 00:34:33 | kugel | pixelma: Hmm, might be related. I have trouble with the resume feature on my e200 too lately. It resumes, but does stop the playback after the file. Also, the current playlist gets corrupted or something, returning to wps is not possible using resume |
| 00:34:44 | jhMikeS | bottom line is that threaded code must never have such dependencies or it will always show bugs when something changes underneath it |
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| 00:35:03 | kugel | However, I didn't test it on a current build |
| 00:35:43 | pixelma | kugel: never seen that |
| 00:36:42 | kugel | I'm not totally sure, but I think it's only present when using "last screen" setting, you know what I mean= |
| 00:36:44 | kugel | ? |
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| 00:37:44 | kugel | Well, I'm gonna investigate that further, but I'm quite busy at the moment |
| 00:38:13 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I don't know about gigabeatspatcher.exe. Getting this to work was a PITA where you have to install the libusb driver for that device, install the patched firmware, then remove the device. |
| 00:39:01 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Slight typo in my response to you. "Behave identically" means "in terms of what screen they return you to", not that "stop and select should do the same thing" |
| 00:39:01 | Llorean | :) |
| 00:39:02 | jhMikeS | libusb (both the filter and single-device driver) interferes with the windows MTP driver |
| 00:39:16 | Llorean | jhMikeS: That's kinda like the e200R process though, isn't it? |
| 00:39:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: oy, just had a weirdo bug with spc here |
| 00:39:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Maybe we should just distribute a RButility liveCD :) |
| 00:40:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: halfway through a song, the sound just started looping, while everything remained responsive, kind of made me think the emulation hung |
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| 00:40:19 | pixelma | jhMikeS: btw. Llorean meant a gigabeastpatcher, not a gigabeatspatcher :P |
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| 00:40:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: :) |
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| 00:40:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: Say what? Unpatched SVN? |
| 00:41:08 | preglow | no, but the only changes are buschel's patch |
| 00:41:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: is that the nano that starts acting funny? |
| 00:41:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: this nano has never been affected by funny nano issues, if that's what yuou mean |
| 00:42:34 | kugel | just wondering, is the sleep timer working with power source inserted? I.e. it wouldn't turn of but stop the playback? |
| 00:42:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: It stopped normally? |
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| 00:44:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: stopped normally how? i had to stop it, time left didn't advance |
| 00:44:20 | preglow | but pressed 'play' paused it just fine |
| 00:44:26 | preglow | and switching to the next track worked fine |
| 00:44:35 | preglow | so it was fully responsive |
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| 00:47:05 | jhMikeS | obviously not a deadlock but it sounds like something got corrupted |
| 00:47:32 | JdGordon|w | Llorean: thats how I read it anyway... didnt even notice the mistake :p |
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| 00:48:12 | preglow | weird, yeah |
| 00:48:14 | preglow | never had it before |
| 00:48:20 | preglow | and couldn't reproduce, the same file played nicely |
| 00:48:35 | pixelma | jhMikeS: once more about the resume and playback bug - is this underlying problem mentioned somewhere or is there something else one could point Nico_P (or others?) to? |
| 00:49:47 | jhMikeS | pixelma: it's mentioned in the IRC logs as of today but I know of nowhere else. :) |
| 00:49:59 | pixelma | ok |
| 00:50:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: another possibility is the something happened to the PCM buffer |
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| 00:50:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: how long of a repeat? |
| 00:50:59 | Llorean | JdGordon|w: Just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was more annoying than usual. :) |
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| 00:58:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: 0.2-0.3 seconds? |
| 00:58:50 | preglow | more like 0.2 |
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| 01:00:33 | jhMikeS | repeating over the internal output buffer would be at most 0.064 seconds (2048 samples) |
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| 01:07:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: I guess that wouldn't stop the time progress either since it would still spit out more and more audio samples. It would have to be in something after it. |
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| 01:14:35 | markun | Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15153.msg113297#msg113297 |
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| 01:15:30 | gruven98 | hey all... can someone help me real quick..... i forgot how to boot back to rockbox on my ipod video |
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| 01:16:54 | Llorean | markun: Well, all I said was "don't say my improperly created file doesn't play right", which he definitely said. He's putting words into my mouth, honestly |
| 01:17:19 | Llorean | But, I'm done there. |
| 01:17:30 | Llorean | Other than wanting to know if the presets failed, or if he skipped straight to typing 44000 in |
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| 01:18:25 | Llorean | markun: he even said "I don't know if anyone else is having this issue", which rather strongly suggests he thinks it's the software. :-P |
| 01:18:49 | markun | I don't agree |
| 01:18:58 | Llorean | Then there's the bit where he clearly states that "sampling rate is fine" and "Only on the Sansa does the pitch lower" |
| 01:19:03 | markun | the issue is that his file plays back in a lower pitch |
| 01:19:11 | Llorean | He tries to make it clear he thinks the file is fine, and the software is wrong. |
| 01:19:43 | markun | yes, he thinks the file is fine. What's so strange about that? |
| 01:19:53 | Llorean | Well, he had a developer tell him the file was wrong. |
| 01:19:58 | Llorean | To which he responded "no it's not" |
| 01:20:05 | markun | well, ok |
| 01:20:07 | Llorean | And either the file or the software is wrong. |
| 01:20:21 | markun | or both! :) |
| 01:20:29 | Llorean | That can be true |
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| 01:21:17 | linuxstb | DrDnar: Hold MENU+SELECT together to reboot out of the Apple firmware |
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| 01:24:10 | markun | Llorean: shall I lock the thread since the problem is fixed? |
| 01:24:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: on an unrelated note, do you think that using init_mad in mpa.c could possibly be the reason tiny clicks can be heard with mp3 gapless? I'd think you wouldn't want to fully reset the decoder state between tracks to have gapless. |
| 01:24:26 | Llorean | markun: I still need to know if the presets are broken, but I won't argue in the thread any more. :) |
| 01:24:36 | markun | ok, good |
| 01:25:19 | Llorean | I just get irritated when people assume their files can't be at fault AFTER a developer says "We need you to check your file." |
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| 01:26:17 | markun | Well, assumptions can be wrong. Maybe it's better to tell people that they have to realise their assumptions aren't always true unstead of telling them not to make the wrong assumptions. |
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| 01:26:58 | markun | He checked his file by playing it on his PC, didn't have any pitch problems and assumed the file was ok. I can understand that. |
| 01:27:05 | markun | but I'm off to sleep now |
| 01:27:12 | markun | we can continue another day :) |
| 01:27:39 | Llorean | I'm tempted to make a "testing process" guideline. |
| 01:27:57 | Llorean | IE: 1) Verify the file is a valid format. For audio files, see this list. For video files, see these requirements, etc, etc. |
| 01:28:16 | Llorean | Bad files cause so many problems (though ideally we need to handle them gracefully) |
| 01:28:25 | Llorean | I'm surprised mpegplayer isn't already set to reject "bad" sample rates |
| 01:28:25 | markun | not a bad idea if people keep having the same problems |
| 01:28:40 | markun | yes, better to give an error |
| 01:28:44 | Llorean | We get a LOT of bad sample rate mpegplayer requests, which is probably why Saratoga gave such a short answer. |
| 01:28:57 | markun | until (if ever) we use the resampler |
| 01:29:02 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:29:29 | markun | or set the audio chip to use the right sample freqency in the first place |
| 01:29:45 | markun | well, if it supports it of course :) |
| 01:29:54 | Llorean | Of course. :) |
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| 01:36:05 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Time to try putting the audio through the DSP I suppose |
| 01:36:44 | Calcipher | i'm getting a "menus/main_menu.c:336 'lang_disk_name_mmc' error : undeclaired (first use in this function)" error, when I try to compile, don't know what changed |
| 01:38:35 | Calcipher | when I run configure and select n for normal build, on #50 sansa e200 series, isn't it supposed to ask me to choose a language? |
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| 01:39:28 | Calcipher | don't tell me I'm going to have to refresh my svn completely and get erase all my old build dirs |
| 01:39:59 | rasher | Calcipher: configure doesn't ask for language since ages |
| 01:40:05 | markun | jhMikeS: I wouldn't mind crossfeed during video playback either |
| 01:40:34 | Calcipher | oh, I wonder where the problem is then |
| 01:41:02 | Calcipher | how have you been rasher, long time no see\ |
| 01:41:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: it might easily be 0.064 seconds |
| 01:41:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: and the timer might not have stopped either, i was in the middle of something when it happened so i'm not quite sure |
| 01:41:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: that would be more of a buzz I'd think than a repeat :\ |
| 01:41:54 | preglow | hmm, lemme do a small experiment in renoise |
| 01:43:00 | Calcipher | has anyone else been experiencing lock ups on the sansa e200 series with recent rb builds, for example when skipping backward multiple tracks |
| 01:43:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: just looped a sample at 2048 samples, and yes, that sounded very much like it |
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| 01:43:38 | Calcipher | power off would quickly bring me back, and even resume would work, but it has been happening to me regularly |
| 01:44:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: and no, i wouldn't reinit everything between tracks for mpa |
| 01:44:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: but we've been doing that for ages without breaking gapless, afaik |
| 01:45:00 | jhMikeS | markun: I suppose I'll hammer out some code |
| 01:46:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: There are quiet clicks between tracks on some albums. I'll try them without full reset and see what happens. |
| 01:47:13 | preglow | imdct overlap buffer surely gets emptied on reset |
| 01:47:18 | preglow | and i don't think we what that for gapless |
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| 01:47:34 | preglow | hmm, then again, encoder delay cut should deal with that |
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| 01:47:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: mp3 is never perfectly gapless, btw, i've got a track here that isn't completely gapless any place |
| 01:48:00 | preglow | it's just a tough format |
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| 01:52:34 | Calcipher | just to refresh my memory, It has been 2 and a half months since I compiled, and I was new to it, first set up a main dir, update svn, create a build dir, run configure from build dir, then run the make command, is this correct? |
| 01:53:50 | Calcipher | then I would use the makezip |
| 01:54:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: I always managed to split manually to a perfect gapless from MP3 files and the particular first/last samples are rather obvious on sight and the lengths cut in the audio editor come out correct when just doing it visually. |
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| 02:00:14 | preglow | worth trying anyway |
| 02:00:17 | preglow | i need to sleep, gniht |
| 02:01:34 | Calcipher | cool I think I did do it right, seems what ever unholy tragedy I had created in my old build dir was messing up my compile |
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| 02:04:57 | Calcipher | forgot the syntax for the sapi voice options... |
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| 02:06:25 | JdGordon | is there any reason the playlist handling in the core needs to be able to do anything with playlists other than the one currnetly being played? (other than obviously saving and loading a m3u)? |
| 02:08:12 | Calcipher | hey JdGordon, do you know any details on the voicing metadata in talk files work that is going on? |
| 02:08:21 | JdGordon | nope |
| 02:08:33 | Calcipher | I only heard that it was happening, I don't know what patch it is |
| 02:09:21 | Calcipher | hopefully it will allow the playlist and database to be fully read, not just spelled out |
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| 02:30:32 | Calcipher | can anyone remind me how to specify which sapi voice you want to use using configure, under sapi options |
| 02:31:05 | Calcipher | I don't remember the syntax for specifying, and also don't remember where this information is available |
| 02:36:03 | Calcipher | wow, I'm amazed I actually remembered, I doubted myself since it sounded so simple, but "voice:'voice name'" is the arguement |
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| 02:40:30 | AceNik | hey guys mpegplayer has boken on rockbox h10 20GB, it shows all videos yellow & half the screen nothing is clear |
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| 02:42:02 | Calcipher | alright, I assumed that was right because I didn't receive any error messages, but in fact, the voice file generated was exactly the same, so my options input had no effect what so ever |
| 02:43:02 | JdGordon | is there any difference between m3u8 and m3u other than the 8 is in unicode? |
| 02:43:47 | AceNik | according to me svn rev 16171 & 16172 are responsible for the mpegplayer glitch |
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| 02:47:23 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: Grats on the sendfirm pacther, how can one achieve that? My Windows installation refuses to see my Gigabeat S (I have to test on the laptop every time) |
| 02:47:28 | Calcipher | where is there a list of commands that can be used in the sapi options section of configure? |
| 02:48:31 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: also did you find where exactly rockbox crashes? All I know is that it certainly mades it after the show_logo() in main.c but every attempt to fill it with debug messages crashed it |
| 02:48:34 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: I'm using XP if that's any factor. Do you have libusb installed |
| 02:49:05 | XavierGr | jhmikes: nope, so libusb will just suffice? |
| 02:49:08 | jhMikeS | I have some feeling the interrupts should all be masked by the bootloader if rockbox will be loaded |
| 02:49:45 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: the libusb filter driver will prevent proper detection. using the libusb driver install can only be used to load the firmware. |
| 02:49:46 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: yeah probably, I suspect that's why sleep makes the player wait endlessly? |
| 02:50:38 | jhMikeS | There's no sleep implementation is there? |
| 02:51:00 | linuxstb | Calcipher: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984 |
| 02:51:12 | XavierGr | I am not sure I didn't check, whenever I call it, it just waits and nothing happens |
| 02:51:21 | jhMikeS | Perhaps the MMU isn't initialized correctly too. Hard to say myself since I haven't been beyond that point yet. |
| 02:51:38 | XavierGr | I tried to put many lcd_puts, lcd_updates but it data aborts... :\ |
| 02:51:47 | XavierGr | (although the first one works |
| 02:52:21 | jhMikeS | I'm betting MMU and/or cache config |
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| 02:52:53 | XavierGr | do you have the sendfirm.exe binary? (compiled on cygwin I guess) |
| 02:53:03 | XavierGr | so I could use it and see if it works for me? |
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| 02:55:02 | jhMikeS | sure. I'll zip something up. It uses DLLs for the moment. You have to use inf-wizard.exe to install the libusb driver for the device and then remove that device before dumping the .rockbox folder in it since it won't connect with any libusb stuff installed. |
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| 02:55:58 | linuxstb | That won't cause users installation problems ;) |
| 02:55:59 | XavierGr | ok please send it to me when you have it ready. (dcc or anything you like) :) |
| 02:56:04 | Calcipher | thank you linuxstb |
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| 03:07:27 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip |
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| 03:09:58 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: which is that datasheet that you are reading, the one that freescale gives on their site references only electrical characteristics... |
| 03:11:03 | jhMikeS | I've got the huge PDF |
| 03:11:28 | jhMikeS | 14000KB |
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| 03:13:18 | XavierGr | I've got one that is 2.10MB |
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| 03:14:57 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: see PM |
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| 03:41:37 | Calcipher | victory!, by sniffing through some of the old IRC logs, from november, when I finally got this to work, I found the correct input for sapi options |
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| 03:42:36 | Calcipher | its simply /voice:'voice X' |
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| 04:51:32 | HelioNami | Hello, Got a hopefully simple question. I don't have a USB Cable for my iPod, just a Firewire cable. Can I still use rockbox to it's full funcionallity? |
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| 04:58:05 | Helio_Nami | Sorry about that, internet issues. so I didn't get an answer. |
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| 04:59:12 | Helio_Nami | If my question even got through heh. Can I still use my Firewire connection to my iPod or do I have to get a USB connection for it? |
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| 05:29:16 | duvnell | usage question: if I wanted to browse the database, go to Artists and then select a particular artist.. I'd like that entire artist's tracks to replace the current playlist, is that possible? I know you can hold select and have it insert into the current playlist, but there isn't an option for it to replace the playlist. It would seem obvious enough just to hit "Play" on that artist and it do that. |
| 05:29:22 | duvnell | .. same would go for anything else under the db |
| 05:31:55 | Llorean | duvnell: Last time you asked that, I asked you if the 'Play Next' option was there in the same list as the "Insert" and "Queue" options |
| 05:34:27 | duvnell | Llorean: sory.. my IRC didn't say any one had replied |
| 05:34:34 | duvnell | no I think only insert and insert shuffled show up |
| 05:35:46 | Llorean | Could you go check? |
| 05:36:12 | Llorean | There's a "Play Next" option for folders, and there's really no reason it shouldn't be there for the database too. |
| 05:36:35 | duvnell | I jsut did |
| 05:36:38 | duvnell | that's all that's there |
| 05:37:22 | duvnell | I'd prefer a "replace currently playlist" option |
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| 05:37:37 | duvnell | along with the other options |
| 05:37:55 | midgey | duvnell: you have music playing when you are browsing the database? |
| 05:38:00 | Llorean | That's what "Play Next" does. |
| 05:38:18 | Llorean | If you're playing music, it finishes the current song then replaces the current playlist with the selected item |
| 05:38:58 | Llorean | I have a "Play Next" option in my database while music is playing |
| 05:39:16 | Llorean | "Insert" replaces the playlist when music isn't playing, because there is no playlist when music isn't playing. |
| 05:41:13 | duvnell | it doesn't sound like it would replace.. but like it would insert into the current playlist whether it was playing or stopped |
| 05:41:27 | Llorean | If you've stopped the music there is no playlist. |
| 05:41:31 | Llorean | So inserting into a blank playlist.... |
| 05:42:18 | duvnell | are you hitting (holding) select on an entire artist in the db listing? |
| 05:43:13 | Llorean | If playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used to create a new playlist <−− The Manual |
| 05:43:16 | Llorean | And yes, I am. |
| 05:43:19 | Llorean | Are you doing it when music is playing? |
| 05:43:45 | Llorean | "Play Next" only shows up when music is playing. If music is stopped, there's no "Next", simply "Now", as the current playlist is empty. So you can use "Insert" |
| 05:44:13 | duvnell | funny.. now I do have several options under the menu |
| 05:44:44 | duvnell | whether it's playing or paused |
| 05:45:03 | Llorean | Paused is not the same as Stopped |
| 05:45:05 | duvnell | I don't have a stop button.. so maybe it's doing that since I had just powered it on, but not played anything yet |
| 05:45:09 | Llorean | You can stop |
| 05:45:15 | Llorean | Again, this is covered in the manual. |
| 05:45:17 | Llorean | did you read it? |
| 05:45:27 | duvnell | mostly.. a while back.. but I don't have a stop button |
| 05:45:36 | Llorean | I didn't say you had a stop button. |
| 05:45:38 | Llorean | I said you can stop. |
| 05:45:50 | duvnell | what button can do that? |
| 05:45:55 | Llorean | I don't know what player you have. |
| 05:46:00 | Llorean | And I told you already it's in the manual. |
| 05:47:06 | Llorean | If you have an e200, you tap the "Power" button. If you have an iPod, you hold down Play/Pause. |
| 05:47:09 | duvnell | long play |
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| 05:47:49 | duvnell | yep.. only two options when stopped |
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| 05:48:03 | duvnell | so insert would make it become the current playlist |
| 05:48:15 | Llorean | Well, there is no "last" or "next" when there's no playlist... |
| 05:48:44 | duvnell | so stopping the music essentially clears the playlist? |
| 05:48:54 | Llorean | Not "essentially". It does clear the playlist. |
| 05:49:10 | duvnell | but it still lets me hit play again |
| 05:49:12 | duvnell | so it wasn't cleared |
| 05:49:13 | Llorean | Pressing the resume button basically reloads the playlist. |
| 05:49:18 | duvnell | k |
| 05:49:38 | duvnell | just seems like it didn't clear it if playing again will reload the same thing |
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| 05:49:55 | woodensoul | does anyone know if apple made a 80gb iPod other than the video 5.5 and classic? |
| 05:50:09 | duvnell | and if you view current playlist under the playlist menu while stopped, then it still shows the same thing |
| 05:50:12 | duvnell | i.e. not cleared |
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| 05:50:55 | Llorean | Well, the manual clearly states "If playback is stopped, the INSERT and QUEUE functions can be used as described in 4.4.3 to create a new playlist" |
| 05:51:08 | Llorean | So even if you were unsure, the manual tells you that you can empty a playlist like this. |
| 05:51:15 | duvnell | then apparently that is "make this the new playlist" feature |
| 05:51:22 | duvnell | which is what I wanted :0 |
| 05:51:25 | duvnell | so I'm good.. |
| 05:51:37 | duvnell | just named funny |
| 05:52:32 | Llorean | "View Playlist" should just say "View Previous Playlist" when music is stopped. |
| 05:53:59 | duvnell | well, it's always called "view Current playlist" actually |
| 05:54:49 | Llorean | And it should say "Previous" when music is stopped. |
| 05:55:55 | duvnell | has any talked been had about having it remember the current state when powered off and restore that state when powered on .. as an option of course.. so that it would remember if it was playing, what screen you were on, etc |
| 05:56:11 | duvnell | and position within song of course |
| 05:56:28 | duvnell | this would seem to help with books on tape for sure, and just convenience for many other things |
| 05:57:03 | Llorean | There's an option to resume playback on startup... |
| 05:57:23 | duvnell | that'd be sufficient for me.. lemme play with that |
| 05:57:41 | Llorean | I'd really suggest spending some more time with the manual. It seems like you've missed a lot of features that would've interested you. |
| 05:57:48 | duvnell | k |
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