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#rockbox log for 2008-01-30

00:00:11einhirnamiconn: (or some other audible volume difference)
00:00:22amiconnHmm. Are you using analog volume or the digital stereo matrix?
00:01:04einhirnamiconn: digital stero matrix - the effect on SPDIF was mission critical for me ;)
00:04:38amiconnI guess the glitches happen when the track change happens during rebuffering
00:05:04JdGordon|wis the forums still acting up for anyone? is am i haaving wierd proxy issues or something? new posts not being displayed even after refreshing
00:05:08amiconnWhile rebuffering, the mpeg thread delays event processing a bit, due to the bitswap
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00:05:32einhirnamiconn: that would explain it...
00:06:05amiconnAnother reason to try a playback engine unification... if only the swcodec engine would be more stable... :/
00:06:24einhirnamiconn: thats why I thought about a "priority message" to the queue.
00:06:57amiconnA priority message wouldn't help - the delay happens even with a single message in the queue
00:07:13amiconnThe mpeg thread simply doesn't process *any* message for a short while
00:07:22einhirnamiconn: yes, that's what I figured...
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00:07:53einhirnMaybe the replaygain change could be posted to another queue that isn't busy with bitswapping?
00:08:32amiconnThere is no other queue - the mpeg thread is the only thread handling hwcodec playback
00:08:47JdGordon|wamiconn: you have it backwards.... merge swcodec into hwcodec is hw is the better oine....
00:09:51einhirnamiconn: and I assume that posting in a queue that doesn't handle hwcodec playback is a no-no?
00:10:50amiconnSeee line 1234 (svn) - the call to swap_one_chunk() can take up to ~8ms if the buffer is above low watermark, and even up to ~65ms if it is below
00:11:17amiconnAnother queue wouldn't help either, as the bitswap call is monolithic, i.e. doesn't yield
00:11:40einhirnamiconn: I see...
00:11:45amiconnJdGordon: That wouldn't be possible - the hwcodec engine couldn't handle swcodec due to its design
00:12:25amiconneinhirn: The only solution would be to swap in smaller amounts - but then we need more than one thread, i.e. a better engine
00:13:45amiconnMPEG_SWAP_CHUNKSIZE is 8KB, MPEG_LOW_WATER_SWAP_CHUNKSIZE is 64KB
00:14:00amiconnThe assembler optimised bitswap manages to swap ~1MB/second
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00:14:18amiconn11 clock cycles per byte
00:14:20einhirnamiconn: I assume that swapping couldn't be done in the 0x2000 byte block sizes that the DMA transfers use?
00:14:44einhirnwould probably take to long in the isr.
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00:15:23amiconnswapping in the isr is a non-no, unless the chunks become a lot smaller
00:15:59einhirnI see - 0x2000 is 8kb...
00:16:08amiconnyup, and hence ~8ms
00:17:35amiconnBtw, the extra 6dB can be gained by changing the codec register 7
00:17:43amiconn(DAC_IN_DSP)
00:18:09amiconnIts default setting is 0x40, which equals 0dB. 0x7f equals (almost) +6dB
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00:38:42einhirnamiconn: re +6db will look into that, thanks
00:39:09amiconnOf course that only helps analog out
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00:46:52JdGordon|wtalk of the vm build server makes /me prod badger to adds my server again :p
00:48:03*scorche|w thought JdGordon|w said he didnt have a server
00:48:56JdGordon|wwell... my main box
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00:50:07scorche|wwell, i would hate to have a build server that is absent every time you reboot into vista to play games =P
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00:50:24DerPapstheh
00:50:49JdGordon|wwhich is almost never...
00:52:58DerPapstawesome games like solitaire...
00:53:20JdGordon|wkpatience ftw!
00:54:33rasherscorche|w: It's still better than not having it in the pool, surely
00:54:47HSVIs there an appropriate place to indicate a type of dock that is compatable with Rockbox? (in this case, an add-on ipod interface for a Kenwood car stereo) Just in case someone else with a Rockboxed iPod has a Kenwood stereo and wanted to know if the adapter (which works with many/most Kenwoods) works with Rockbox...
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00:58:55linuxstbHSV: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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00:59:34HSVexcellent. 1000x thanks, linuxstb
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01:20:14HSVas per the main TWiki page, could someone please grant write permission to me? I would like to include above mentioned details in above mentioned TWiki page. My TWiki name is HaroldVan.
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01:22:25linuxstbHSV: Done
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01:24:04HSVagain, thank you, kind linuxstb
01:24:57einhirnamiconn: I think that I'll leave the DAC_IN_DSP setting out for now, since I don't want to risk clipping -> "7Fhex 200% (+6 dB gain) If the sum of both mixing inputs exceeds 100%, clipping may occur in the successive
01:24:57einhirnaudio processing."
01:26:10einhirnBut I think I'll definately try it out.
01:26:26einhirnJust want to upload that patch so I can go to bed ;9
01:26:31pwncakeslinuxstb: Where can i get the source for tcc tool? Ive searched rockbox/google etc.
01:26:48rasherpwncakes: in svn?
01:26:54rasherunder utils/
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01:27:17pwncakescheers, thanks.
01:27:33rasherThe tarball should include it as well
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01:34:47*rasher sighs
01:35:07rashernot exactly instant gratification, this
01:35:36rasherecho all|tools/rockboxdev.sh <−− takes a while
01:41:27einhirnI'll go to bed now
01:41:29*einhirn waves
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01:42:36HSVthank you again for your help, linuxstb. Changes made, and I do not think I even broke anything.
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01:45:51jac0bdoes anyone know of any good cans to use for the treadmill
01:46:10soaplook at that - nice links and everything HSV. Thanks.
01:46:51soapOnly point - and it would be hard for you to know - when I started that wiki page all the entries were alphabetical. But I see the Car Audio section had already drifted from that original plan - so how were you to know?
01:47:32soapAhh - all the sections have drifted from alphabetical. I can fix that. Thanks again for the entry.
01:47:46HSVindeed, soap. I am planning on testing the interface with my old 4G grayscale. I can alphabetize them when I update it...
01:48:03HSVI am happy to contribute
01:48:33soapwell, we can promise you won't be able to control the iPod from your kenwood - as the apple accessory protocol, not the serial interface on which it runs, are implemented.
01:49:07rashersoap: don't you mean that neither are implemented?
01:49:21soapthe big question on accessories like that, IMHO, is if audio in/out works - as some accessories won't even pay attention to the line-out signal unless they hear the iPod talking to them,
01:49:41HSVright... I did not think remote or display would work. I was afraid that even the audio out would not work
01:49:43soapthank you rasher - "nor" turned into "not"
01:50:07HSVaudio and charge both work perfectly
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01:51:10HSV(the deck actually says "E60", which presumably means that the ip500 is connected, but it is not getting any display info from it)
01:54:34soapError 60?
01:54:40soapShit man - you better watch it.
01:55:20soapLast time I saw that code the headunit caught on fire and lead to a crash which killed a school bus full of orphans.
01:55:27soap;)
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02:03:17HSVreally? I thought E70 was the "Kill nearby orphans" error code...
02:04:21HSVI looked it up in the manual, and it says "Communication Failure between KCA-iP500 and iPod."
02:05:26HSV(reminds me of an old UNIX joke: '/earth full. Please delete anyone you can.'
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02:26:18ImperHey all, quick question I hope I can find an answer to. Currently using a Sansa e200 player with Roxkbox r16172. Is it normal for it to take 2-3 minutes to choose a new EQ Preset?
02:26:49ImperWell, more specifically, 'load' a EQ preset
02:27:57LloreanjhMikeS: Any idea if a recent change might've caused this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15221
02:28:15LloreanImper: Do you mean literally 120-180 seconds?
02:29:14LloreanIt's not normal for it to take a long time, but I'm curious if you mean that as a realistic measure, or just mean "take a longer than reasonable amount of time"
02:30:08ImperYes, if I move from Classical to Jazz (for example), it sits there with "Loading" for 2-3 real minutes... 120-180 seconds. Actually clicked 'Jazz' when I started this message and it is still loading.
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02:32:06LloreanThat's not normal, and you're the first person to report something like that.
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02:34:54ImperLlorean, if I'm the first person to report it, it is probably something I'm doing wrong on my end. I'm only about three days into using Rockbox and still figuring out the intricates. And I know that when I was converting files over the original firmware was experiencing some issues. Maybe it is time I fix up my MP3 collection. Glad to hear it isn't normal (to a point), thank you.
02:37:10ImperOh, and guess while I'm here. Is there any way to disable (or require holding) the Record button? For anyone who has a Sansa they will know the troubles with the location of that button, it is better off disabled.
02:37:52LloreanI own a e200, and haven't run into any trouble with it, so I'm not sure what you mean.
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02:41:26ImperOh, maybe I should explain. I have a protective cover for my Sansa with a belt-clip on the back. Which I commonly swivel to the side. The button is then on the bottom, ready to be hit any time I sit down. Probably hit it about 15-20 times a day in one way or another. Could be that the cover is just too tight on the button.
02:42:00LloreanPossibly
02:42:12LloreanI haven't used the recording feature on mine, but I thought you had to hold down the button for a second for it to activate already
02:42:32LloreanIf you want to avoid accidental button presses, you should probably use the Hold switch.
02:43:52ImperYes, would be nice, but my cover unconveniently covers the Hold switch. All truth be told, it does seem to be better with Rockbox, guess the original firmware would activate on button press. Is it possible to extend that 1second time?
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02:48:48LloreanNot without changes to the code.
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04:11:53brent0nhello :)
04:12:34brent0nis there a plugin that reads PDFs?
04:12:38LloreanNo.
04:14:20cool_walking_You can convert PDFs to plain text with numerous utilities, such as pdf2text, but the layout may be screwed up.
04:14:49brent0ndamn :(
04:15:13LloreanWell, nobody actually interested in it has written a plugin to do it.
04:15:37brent0nis there a good way to read books on the rockbox?
04:15:47cool_walking_Plain text.
04:15:48LloreanBuy audiobooks.
04:16:00LloreanIt's an *audio player* firmware.
04:16:01Llorean:-P
04:16:03cool_walking_or that.
04:16:06brent0ni'm using the web client, so my responses are a bit delayed
04:16:10brent0nhaha
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04:18:36brent0nlol
04:19:13brent0nrockbox is good for doing things audio players don't normally do :P
04:19:21brent0nWAYYY delayed, btw
04:19:32brent0ni said that stuff 2 minutes ago
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06:07:26TheLastEmotionI think I might've bricked my Gigabeat F40 but I am not sure
06:07:53toffe82What happened ?
06:08:19TheLastEmotionWell, I had rockbox on it and it worked really well for a few months, then I went to load it up and it keeps giving me either or of two errors.
06:08:55TheLastEmotionEither system error 00000010 or 00000020
06:10:10cool_walking_TheLastEmotion: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=4633D1A1-3048-2906-EA8911233E762B98
06:10:58cool_walking_and http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=60C59AFD-3048-2906-EA564236B271D94E
06:10:59TheLastEmotionIs the disassembling talking about unplugging the harddrive then plugging it back in?
06:11:03TheLastEmotionBecause I did that one already lol
06:11:57toffe82Your computer doens't recognize the gigabeat ?
06:12:17cool_walking_Yes most likely talking about taking it apart, unless there is some Gigabeat specific thing I don't know about (Which I wouldn't, since I don't own a Gigabeat)
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06:16:02TheLastEmotionI am downloading the root folder that someone put up to see if that works seeing that my GB has no files whatsoever on it.
06:18:21qwmscorche|sh: you around?
06:18:28qwmscorche: or you.
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06:22:28BenniBoyahey can someone help me
06:22:38BenniBoyai cant seem to build my boot loader
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06:24:35BenniBoyais anyone here?
06:26:13TheLastEmotionAnd now it seems that the harddrive isn't loading in windows.
06:26:17TheLastEmotionHi, Benni :]
06:27:45krazykitBenniBoya, it's generally not recommended to build your own bootloader unless you know what you're doing.
06:27:46BenniBoyahey
06:27:46BenniBoyawhat did u mean by the hard drive thing?
06:28:09TheLastEmotionThe harddrive of my Gigabeat F40 is now not showing up in windows explorer at all.
06:28:20BenniBoyalol
06:28:49BenniBoyawhen i run ../tools/configure it says
06:28:58krazykitBenniBoya, please don't paste in here
06:29:04BenniBoyaoh ok
06:29:09krazykituse pastebin.ca or something
06:29:16BenniBoyawhich is?
06:29:21BenniBoyaim new to linux
06:29:21krazykita website?
06:29:34BenniBoyaits just text
06:29:38BenniBoyacan i paste that?
06:29:40krazykitno
06:29:51krazykitpaste that text into pastebin.ca and then put that link here
06:30:01krazykitthis is to prevent cluttering the logs and flooding the channel
06:31:25BenniBoyaok
06:32:49BenniBoyahttp://pastebin.ca/883290
06:33:55BenniBoyacan someone look at that and see if anything is wrong
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06:35:16cool_walking_Looks like you don't have the build environment set up correctly.
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06:36:10BenniBoyai have run the rockboxdev script and downloaded the arm stuff
06:36:10cool_walking_Gah. Screw you, web client.
06:36:23BenniBoyawhat?
06:36:30krazykitBenniBoya, you haven't changed your $PATH
06:36:46BenniBoyahow do i do that?
06:36:57cool_walking_Not you BenniBoya, the web IRC client :)
06:37:04cool_walking_open /etc/profile in a text editor
06:37:08krazykitBenniBoya, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di
06:37:11krazykitread that.
06:37:55BenniBoyaok ty
06:38:08TheLastEmotionSo yeah, my gigabeat is not being recognized at all by my computer...
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06:38:29krazykitTheLastEmotion, right, you've said that. have you tried the recovery procedure?
06:38:58TheLastEmotionWell it was being recognized before I disconnected and then reconnected the hdd.
06:39:34cool_walking_Okay, but your other symptoms say you should still do the recovery procedure
06:39:34TheLastEmotionThe GB shows the USB logo but the computer isn't showing it at all in win explorer.
06:39:53TheLastEmotionHow exactly would I go about doing the recovery procedure?
06:39:59krazykityou would read the wiki
06:40:37cool_walking_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures
06:40:48TheLastEmotionDane
06:40:50TheLastEmotionDanke*
06:42:53BenniBoyaum it didnt work
06:43:25krazykitBenniBoya, you need to log out and back in
06:44:23BenniBoyalogout and in or restart?
06:44:41krazykitthe former.
06:44:48BenniBoyaok ill brb
06:44:58TheLastEmotionMy problem is now with the fact that I can not see my gigabeat within windows explorer to actually restore the GB system files.
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06:46:10TheLastEmotionI did the disconnect/reconnect and now explorer won't even show the GB as a harddrive or anything, there's no letter, no nothing.
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06:47:42BenniBoyahey
06:47:46BenniBoyait didnt work
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06:49:00TheLastEmotionAnyone around? :o
06:49:23krazykitTheLastEmotion, when someone's around, they'll answer. please don't repeat the question over and over
06:49:27BenniBoyame
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06:49:52krazykitBenniBoya, in a terminal, do "echo $PATH". does it give you /usr/local/arm-elf/bin in the output anywhere?
06:49:57TheLastEmotionSorry about that..
06:50:17BenniBoyadoesnt give me anything
06:50:44BenniBoyawhere am I ment to run it from
06:51:07krazykitBenniBoya, a terminal. xterm, konsole, gnome-terminal, whatever.
06:51:57BenniBoyait didnt display anything running it as user or root
06:52:37krazykiti've gotta go to sleep now. good luck with your problem
06:52:48BenniBoyaok thanks
06:53:44cool_walking_BenniBoya: It's case-sensitive, are you sure you did "echo $PATH" ?
06:54:48BenniBoyaoooh
06:55:18BenniBoyait doesnt display anything about arm
06:58:05cool_walking_I think the tools/configure script should have told you where it put the compilers, do you remember where?
06:58:21BenniBoyadont worry, ive found a fix
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06:58:41BenniBoyaill just run this in my build folder: export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
06:59:03cool_walking_Yes, but that won't persist across reboots
06:59:25cool_walking_You need to add that line to the bottom of the /etc/profile file
06:59:57BenniBoyato the bottom?
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07:00:32cool_walking_Or edit the line that's already there
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07:01:03BenniBoyaso I would put export "PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" in my etc/profile
07:01:09cool_walking_yeah
07:01:11BenniBoyabut where in wetc/profile
07:01:30cool_walking_Just chuck it at the very bottom, so you know it's not inside any "if" blocks
07:02:28BenniBoyaunder "export PATHumask 022"
07:02:45cool_walking_Sure.
07:02:49cool_walking_It doesn't matter what's already there.
07:02:52BenniBoyaok ty
07:03:51BenniBoyathis isnt entirely related, but if I had a set of commands to mount my ntfs harddrive
07:04:15cool_walking_Yeah?
07:04:17BenniBoyawould i add the line to /etc/fstab
07:04:25cool_walking_No
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07:05:15cool_walking_Just follow the syntax of the entries already in there, and run "man fstab".
07:05:15BenniBoyawhere would I add it
07:05:33BenniBoyai mean i want it to run at boot
07:05:44cool_walking_Yeah
07:05:52cool_walking_Just make sure it has the "auto" option.
07:05:59BenniBoyai dont under stand
07:08:06cool_walking_The syntax is something like "<device> <mount point> <filesystems> <options>"
07:08:34BenniBoyaif I wanted to to run while it booted up, where would i paste it?
07:08:34BenniBoyai have the command but i just need somwhere where it will run automaticly at boot
07:09:19LloreanBenniBoya: Please take non-Rockbox chatter elsewhere, as per the channel guidelines
07:09:28Lloreancool_walking_: Please remember to encourage people to follow the guidelines
07:09:39LloreanYou've been around here enough to know about them.
07:09:50BenniBoyaok sorry
07:10:03cool_walking_#rockbox-community okay?
07:10:19BenniBoyaumm.. how do i get there from the web client
07:10:31cool_walking_type "/join rockbox-community"
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08:14:09derangerhey is there anyone around?
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08:14:39derangerI just formatted+re-installed rockbox and lost my awesome equaliser settings
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08:14:59derangerany audio experts who can give me a hand setting up the equaliser?
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08:42:54derangerthanks :)
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09:01:29ZirodayHi, I have the iPod Nano 1st Gen, after trying to use rbutil to install rockbox it complained about not being able to install the bootloader, I am aware there is another program that is meant to be able to install the rockbox bootloader