00:01:43 | jhMikeS | markun: I've thought it might be a good idea to have one for mpegplayer. Who ported mplayer anyway? :) |
00:02:13 | * | pixelma kept quiet this time ;) |
00:02:25 | markun | oops ;) |
00:02:27 | Bagder | hehe |
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00:04:21 | * | jhMikeS has some ridiculous bug with PCM frames after adding DSP that he can't track down (two days already :\) |
00:05:45 | jhMikeS | the more days it takes the bigger the DOH! factor usually |
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00:06:53 | * | preglow knows everything about it |
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00:10:02 | pixelma | ok, sliding_puzzle doesn't look broken on the small H10 but you can't see the number of moves display which is there usually... |
00:11:22 | markun | jhMikeS: did you see a big drop in fps with for example crossfeed enabled? |
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00:12:49 | pixelma | and you can't switch to the "number" mode - sim crashes nicely... |
00:13:09 | jhMikeS | markun: what didn't have PCM problems showed no real FPS drop |
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00:17:53 | Oles | Hello? |
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00:18:12 | markun | hi? |
00:18:17 | Oles | hey −− lol |
00:18:25 | markun | :) |
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00:19:38 | markun | Oles: anything you wanted to ask? |
00:19:55 | Oles | Nah, i just got rockbox today, loaded pokemon, lol |
00:20:04 | Oles | i say the irc and decided to check it out |
00:20:18 | Oles | saw* |
00:20:20 | markun | which player do you have? |
00:20:37 | Oles | ipod 5.5 |
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00:21:13 | markun | it seems that a lot of ipod owners install rockbox to play games |
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00:21:31 | Oles | oh ya, |
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00:33:53 | preglow | markun: yeah... retailos is perfect in all other aspects, remember ;) |
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00:36:29 | markun | as with most OFs :) |
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00:37:59 | pixelma | bla... the sliding_puzzle crash (at least in a sim) happens if there is no album art bmp around - and the 2 responsible people are snowboarding... |
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02:24:12 | euge | hey |
02:24:28 | euge | hey |
02:24:50 | euge | i have rock box but |
02:25:20 | euge | when i got on to my apple os all my music was gone but was still in rockbox |
02:27:11 | krazykit | euge, how did you put music on your ipod? with itunes? |
02:27:31 | krazykit | rockbox does NOT touch your files unless you specifically ask it to. |
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02:27:51 | euge | eah with i tunes |
02:27:56 | euge | yeah* |
02:28:31 | krazykit | well, if rockbox can still play the files, that's probably an itunesdb error. i'm not sure how to fix that, to be honest. |
02:28:52 | euge | i went to make a database |
02:28:56 | euge | or something |
02:29:12 | euge | and it worked fo about a week on the origanal |
02:29:20 | euge | but then it stoped working |
02:30:00 | euge | i want to view videos through my old one |
02:32:23 | euge | what does Initialize mean |
02:32:47 | euge | in the database part of the os |
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02:33:57 | krazykit | euge, in rockbox, initializing the database scans the disk for compatible files and adds them to Rockbox's database. it doesn't touch the OF's database files in any way. |
02:34:22 | euge | ok |
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02:36:10 | euge | ok |
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03:27:10 | countrymonkey | If I try to build a czech, norsk, or finnish voice file with espeak and cygwin, I cannot. I type in s for sapi5 at the engine prompt, then "/Voice:eSpeak-no" (if norsk) at the sapi options prompt. What am I doing wrong? |
03:27:43 | rasher | Why are you typing s if you want to build with espeak? |
03:28:02 | rasher | Or is there an espeak sapi interface thing? |
03:28:13 | rasher | Either way, I suggest using espeak directly |
03:30:17 | countrymonkey | I cannot get that to work. It always sais "espeak- command not found". Where do I put which espeak files? |
03:31:42 | rasher | doesn't matter, as long as it's in your $PATH |
03:32:14 | countrymonkey | Which espeak files? The espeak-data dir? the whole espeak dir? only espeak.exe? |
03:32:45 | rasher | The executable |
03:32:51 | rasher | Presumably it'll know where to find the data |
03:33:00 | countrymonkey | Hold on a sec. |
03:34:19 | countrymonkey | It still says espeak: command not found. |
03:34:39 | rasher | Hrm, actually |
03:35:03 | rasher | Hold on |
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03:43:21 | rasher | Yeah, countrymonkey would you mind testing if this fixes it for you: rasher.dk/rockbox/voicebuilding-win-extension.diff">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/voicebuilding-win-extension.diff |
03:44:49 | countrymonkey | What does it do? I don't like to test things without knowing what they do. |
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03:45:30 | rasher | countrymonkey: it just adds .exe to the programs it's searching for if run on cygwin |
03:45:56 | rasher | I'm not quite sure how cygwin handles the whole .exe thing |
03:46:10 | countrymonkey | Let's try it. |
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03:47:24 | countrymonkey | still doesn't work. |
03:48:32 | rasher | What does your $PATH inlude, and is espeak.exe in one of those dirs? |
03:49:09 | countrymonkey | You mean type $path and give you the output? |
03:49:49 | rasher | Well, echo $PATH |
03:50:01 | KeithG | Hello everyone! |
03:50:28 | countrymonkey | nothing |
03:50:57 | countrymonkey | What is it, KeithG? |
03:51:28 | rasher | What, nothing? |
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03:51:41 | KeithG | I’m a newish Rockbox user, but I thought I’d like to help with some items on the Wiki, especially related to the VMWare development image (for now at least). I was wondering if a Wiki user could give me write access. |
03:51:47 | countrymonkey | Yes, nothing. |
03:52:13 | rasher | Then your cygwin environment won't work at all. I'm afraid I don't believe you. |
03:52:21 | rasher | KeithG: What is your wiki name? |
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03:52:49 | countrymonkey | I can build. I am e-mailing you a path.txt file. I did echo $path >path.txt and this is the result. |
03:53:02 | rasher | I said $PATH. |
03:53:11 | saratoga | just use pastebin.ca |
03:53:17 | rasher | And yes, that. |
03:53:19 | countrymonkey | Case matters? |
03:53:23 | KeithG | KeithGraber |
03:53:31 | rasher | countrymonkey: do you really have to ask? |
03:54:02 | psycho_maniac | case ALWAYS matters |
03:54:18 | saratoga | it might actually not matter in cygwin |
03:54:25 | saratoga | though i'd be careful about assuming that |
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03:54:40 | rasher | saratoga: it obviously does, since $path is apparently empty |
03:55:05 | rasher | KeithG: Done |
03:55:55 | JohnEK | Hi, I'm nearly done creating my first theme. It's looking good, but I would like the font to be bigger. My starting font is True-Type and I used otf2bdf and convbdf to create the rockbox compatible font. However, it only looks good when I convert it to a size 12 rockbox font. Any larger size has artifacts in each character that don't belong. Any suggestions? |
03:57:03 | countrymonkey | Got it fixed. I didn't realize case mattered. Uploaded results under name/title: countrymonkey. |
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03:57:27 | KeithG | Thank you rasher! |
03:58:04 | rasher | countrymonkey: The link would be http://pastebin.ca/885773 |
03:58:15 | rasher | countrymonkey: And where is espeak.exe located? |
03:58:26 | countrymonkey | in my build dir |
03:58:46 | rasher | And is your build dir one of those listed? |
03:59:42 | countrymonkey | Thx for setting me straight. Now, I just put the exe in one of those dirs and build away. |
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04:00:28 | XbooX | hopefully this question isnt going to get me in trouble for not reading the manual again. but i have read the manual. does anyone know how to make the display at the top of the screen when in the menu a tad bit bigger? or is that not possible. i know ive seen it removed in some themes but it would be cool to make it a tad bigger |
04:00:37 | rasher | countrymonkey: Err, and espeak-data should be in a place where espeak will look as well. I don't know enough about espeak to help you with that. |
04:01:15 | countrymonkey | I will just move it where I moved espeak and things will be fine. |
04:01:16 | rasher | JohnEK: Finding another font or fixing the font manually after converting from truetype with a bdf-capable font editor |
04:01:32 | rasher | XbooX: Not possible (not currently, anyway) |
04:02:13 | JohnEK | thanks rasher |
04:02:17 | XbooX | rasher: thanks, i kinda figured that. |
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04:05:41 | countrymonkey | Can I make spx .talk clips without voicebox+? |
04:06:50 | rasher | Should be possible using voice.pl |
04:07:30 | countrymonkey | Cool. All I got to figure out is how to use the thing. I just cannot wait until rbutil 1.0.4 is released. |
04:08:51 | rasher | Well there's fairly helpful output if you don't get it right |
04:09:08 | countrymonkey | I know. I am using that. |
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04:32:10 | countrymonkey | I just came up with an idea; would it be possible to implement the ability for rb to detect when a language needs a certain font and switch to that font uppon that language being loaded? Even a code telling the font in the lang files would work. |
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04:33:47 | rasher | Well, checking for "this lang needs a different font" would not be the hardest thing in the world to add. Figuring out which font to automatically switch to would be a bit of a nightmare though |
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04:37:06 | crazy_bus | I remember reading about a company that paid for a few people to come to their company and learn about their player so that they would port rockbox to it. Did anything happen with this? |
04:37:43 | Llorean | crazy_bus: I think you might be thinking of Austrian Microsystems, which I don't believe paid for anything, but they did give us some information about one specific chip. |
04:38:43 | crazy_bus | Is there any company that's rockbox friendly then? |
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04:39:11 | rasher | AMS seems fairly friendly, but they only make individual chips, not finished players. |
04:39:12 | psycho_maniac | didnt archos want rockbox to be the default os but they wanted it NOT to be open source? I thought i read that somewhere. |
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04:41:53 | XbooX | is it possible to select a backdrop or picture and use it as your background for themes such as the rockbox_default theme? |
04:42:07 | psycho_maniac | why dont you try it? |
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04:44:05 | XbooX | not looking very possibe |
04:44:17 | XbooX | *possible |
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04:45:50 | psycho_maniac | XbooX: works for me |
04:46:25 | psycho_maniac | although i loaded the backdrops that were in the backdrops folder in ./rockbox |
04:46:39 | scorche | XbooX: what size are the images you are trying to load? |
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04:47:37 | XbooX | uh i have a fair amount of backdrops in the backdrops folder. however i dont see the ./rockbox folder on my ipod |
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04:49:00 | psycho_maniac | go to the quick menu and select all under "show files" |
04:50:04 | XbooX | thanks psycho_maniac, sorry bout that |
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04:51:23 | countrymonkey | Why would figuring it out be a nightmare? All a translator has to do is add a line in the lang file saying what font. |
04:52:20 | countrymonkey | Sory, wrong chanel. |
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05:07:55 | btron | anybody have insight on why the system date on my ipod mini 2g running latest rockbox build mysteriously resets itself to 2010 sometimes? |
05:08:19 | btron | it's really a pain when i go to submit tracks to last.fm and they are 2 years in the future! |
05:08:40 | psycho_maniac | do you own a time machine? |
05:08:53 | btron | not that i know of but that would be bad assed |
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05:21:25 | soap | btron, any pattern at all to the reset date? |
05:21:36 | soap | Perhaps after your iPod shuts down due to low battery? |
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05:25:02 | pizza | hello |
05:25:33 | btron | soap: ooo now that i think about it, that is entirely possible |
05:25:36 | psycho_maniac | hi pizza |
05:25:58 | pizza | when I start up my sansa I go to photos but when I click on one it wont load |
05:26:02 | pizza | it is in jpeg format |
05:26:26 | soap | that shouldn't do it in and of itself, btron, but I'm just trying to link a weak battery situation with reset RealTimeClock. |
05:27:06 | pizza | I go to open with.. but I cannot open it with anything |
05:27:32 | soap | well, I mean that doesn't cause my iPods to reset their clocks, but you see where I'm reaching... |
05:28:16 | btron | soap: maybe i'll let it die intentionally and see if i can recreate the bug |
05:30:15 | pizza | is ther any way to view jpegs in rockbox? |
05:32:25 | soap | section 9.3.2 of the manual. |
05:32:44 | soap | hidden under the obscure term "JPEG viewer" in the table of contents. |
05:33:42 | soap | "jpeg" the word only appearing three times in the manual. |
05:34:50 | soap | Once in the table of contents - pointing to section 9.3.2, once under "supported file types" and once in section 9.3.2 |
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05:38:47 | pizza | It tells me I need to stop playback but I did but I still cannot acces the jpeg viewer |
05:39:01 | pizza | I do open with... and the jpeg thing ahs a "?" next to it |
05:39:45 | soap | thing? |
05:41:24 | pizza | ok i go to the image file name I hit the enter button and i come up with "context menu" I go to open with.. and ther is something called "jpeg" and something ca;;ed "viewer" both of them have a ? next to them |
05:42:07 | pizza | I try to use the "jpeg" to open it but I get "plugin returned error" |
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05:48:25 | cool_walking_ | pizza: Are you sure it's a valid JPEG file? |
05:48:49 | soap | not progressive scan? |
05:48:54 | pizza | oh, hmm it works now, all I had to do was reboot |
05:48:59 | pizza | srry about this |
05:49:03 | pizza | i didnt know I neededto reboot |
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06:00:23 | psycho_maniac | so who likes the new attempt of the new rockbox website? |
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06:02:23 | DogBoy | .eh |
06:02:30 | DogBoy | which |
06:02:36 | cool_walking_ | I think I like it better with the a:hover bitmaps |
06:03:20 | cool_walking_ | in rock.php |
06:05:28 | cool_walking_ | The other changes from rock.php -> st.php are good though. |
06:06:57 | psycho_maniac | i like st.php the most so far. |
06:08:16 | psycho_maniac | would like it if it was a different color though. |
06:11:18 | cool_walking_ | Which part? |
06:12:04 | psycho_maniac | the dark color |
06:12:54 | cool_walking_ | It could be made a bit lighter grey, but I don't know about a different colour. |
06:14:21 | psycho_maniac | agreed |
06:16:38 | * | scorche feels like an old stick in the mud with all this |
06:18:32 | cool_walking_ | Don't want a new web page at all, or just don't like this proposal? |
06:19:16 | * | scorche likes his pasty blue and very un-web2.0 look |
06:19:38 | cool_walking_ | I don't like web 2.0 either - the first design was bad. |
06:19:46 | cool_walking_ | I hate AJAX |
06:20:14 | psycho_maniac | i actually like the non-web2.0 look also :) |
06:20:15 | scorche | i like ajax, but i dont like what a lot of people use it for |
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06:31:36 | soap | I use it to scrub my tub. |
06:32:22 | psycho_maniac | thats all i know what to use it for. |
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06:34:53 | pizza | when I add music to my Sansa Media Player it will show up when I boot into the Sansa Firmware but not in Rockbox, is there a way to get it to recognize in rockbox? |
06:35:17 | pizza | it is an mp3 file |
06:36:38 | cool_walking_ | pizza: Are you using the file tree or the database? |
06:36:56 | pizza | database |
06:37:19 | pizza | it recognized all of the music that I had previously but not the one that I just added |
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06:39:01 | cool_walking_ | Try initialise the database again. |
06:39:12 | pizza | ok |
06:39:19 | pizza | i have done that and it is still not there |
06:40:16 | cool_walking_ | Did you delete all the database files in the .rockbox directory before initialising again? |
06:41:08 | pizza | no I havent |
06:41:11 | pizza | il ltry that now |
06:41:13 | cool_walking_ | There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano. |
06:41:16 | pizza | is that what im supposed to do after adding music |
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06:41:34 | cool_walking_ | No, I think it's supposed to update itself every boot. |
06:41:40 | cool_walking_ | But I don't use the database. |
06:41:51 | pizza | hmm ok, and this is on my sansa e260 |
06:41:57 | pizza | it recognized all my other music |
06:42:11 | pizza | really? |
06:42:16 | pizza | what do u use? |
06:42:24 | cool_walking_ | I just use the file tree. |
06:42:41 | pizza | oh |
06:43:11 | pizza | kk deleted files rebooting |
06:44:10 | pizza | heyyy! it worked! |
06:44:11 | pizza | thanks! |
06:44:23 | cool_walking_ | Heh, cool. I was just guessing. |
06:44:32 | pizza | ill have to remember to do that when i add music |
06:44:48 | pizza | maybe its a but or somethn |
06:44:54 | pizza | but anyways thsnk :) |
06:44:57 | pizza | *thanks |
06:45:08 | cool_walking_ | You're welcome |
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06:48:40 | cool_walking_ | Right, I probably should have waited 'til that conversation was over so this didn't get lost in there: |
06:48:42 | cool_walking_ | There's something wrong with the way the stride (for drawing) is calculated in sliding_puzzle.c. It's broken on at least the Nano. |
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08:04:08 | amiconn | The bug in sliding_puzzle is present on any album art enabled target, and is verifiable in the sim, and on coldfire targets (catch mem accesses) |
08:04:45 | amiconn | The actual null pointer access isn't sliding_puzzle's fault though, the bug is in apps/recorder/albumart.c |
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08:05:23 | Avi_ | hello, i havve a question for you lovely knowledgeable people out there... |
08:05:35 | amiconn | The snprintf() call in line 148 uses id3->artist and id3->album without making sure these aren't null... |
08:06:20 | Avi_ | Is there support for Griffin's iTalk recording device on rockbx? |
08:06:31 | Avi_ | if not how do i submit a request for this? |
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08:08:15 | GodEater | Avi, all feature requests go into flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
08:08:38 | GodEater | be warned though, that it's impossible for a developer to do this unless they own the hardware |
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08:12:54 | cool_walking_ | amiconn: talking to me? The issue with what I was talking about seems to be that sliding_puzzle is expecting a bitmap of width min(LCD_HEIGHT,LCD_WIDTH), and SOURCES isn't giving it that for the Nano. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8535 |
08:13:02 | amiconn | GodEater: Did you see my test result with more music and a (nearly) current build on G5.5/80? |
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08:13:54 | Avi_ | godeater: well its an ipod... so i would imagine a developer owns one |
08:14:08 | amiconn | cool_walking_: No, I was talking about the crash bug in the sim when switching images in sliding_puzzle |
08:14:37 | cool_walking_ | Yeah, didn't sound like you were talking about the same issue I was talking about. |
08:14:59 | amiconn | But that issue needs to be fixed too (saw your screenshot y'day) |
08:15:48 | cool_walking_ | y'day? Is that supposed to be "yesterday"? I don't believe I've ever seen that abbreviation. |
08:16:46 | * | amiconn is a lazy typer sometimes :/ |
08:17:19 | Avi_ | GodEater: does flyspray require a separate login than the rockbox forums? |
08:17:26 | cool_walking_ | Yes. |
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08:18:01 | GodEater | Avi_: I didn't meant the ipod - I meant the itrip. And you'd be amazed at the number of devs who don't own iPods. |
08:18:18 | GodEater | and yes, the tracker requires a seperate login |
08:18:20 | * | amiconn wonders why the built-in bitmap in sliding_puzzle is handled in such a silly way |
08:18:25 | GodEater | amiconn: yes - was just reading the logs back |
08:18:31 | GodEater | I'm at a loss. |
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08:18:56 | amiconn | It boots, I start to play a folder (my test folder was 320kbps mp3), and it plays as expected |
08:19:10 | amiconn | Buffering took 1:14 though |
08:19:22 | GodEater | yeah, that's quite slow |
08:19:35 | amiconn | It's probably due to the peakmeters |
08:19:36 | GodEater | and no audio drop outs I take it |
08:19:47 | amiconn | No, I listened to the whole album |
08:20:02 | GodEater | right |
08:20:11 | GodEater | I've just reset mine to default settings |
08:20:14 | GodEater | I'll see what happens |
08:20:36 | amiconn | I don't have as many files as you though |
08:20:49 | JdGordon | amiconn: can you test out the viewports list patch on your player and let me know if anything goes wrong? I want to try commiting it over the weekend |
08:21:37 | amiconn | stats output: Files: 4952, Music: 3580, Dirs: 440, Max files in dir: 220 |
08:21:56 | Buschel | amiconn/Godeater: is the slow buffering on 5.5G/80 the reason for the degraded runtime for these ipods? |
08:22:18 | GodEater | Buschel: that's probably something to do with it |
08:22:30 | GodEater | but it's probably more that the disk goes mad for unknown reasons at the moment |
08:23:53 | GodEater | amiconn: ok - with ALL default settings, playback is fine - so I'll turn things on one at a time now and see what makes it goes all wrong |
08:24:30 | GodEater | dircache first |
08:24:39 | amiconn | In fact it's very obvious why sliding_pzzle breaks on the nano. The ifdefing in bitmaps/native/SOURCES is bound to not work properly |
08:25:45 | GodEater | wow - dircache only took 14seconds to build this time (foreground though) |
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08:26:59 | Buschel | gotta go working now, see you later |
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08:27:03 | GodEater | later |
08:27:46 | GodEater | even with it building in the background, and playback going, it's still quicker now, and no audio drop outs yet |
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08:29:53 | PapaAvi | what if i mailed an iTalk to a developer with an ipod? |
08:30:37 | GodEater | PapaAvi: you'd have to find a dev who a) has an iPod, and b) is interested in doing your feature |
08:30:48 | GodEater | I fear you'll find the two sets of people don't intersect |
08:31:04 | PapaAvi | hey GodEater ..... you a developer :P |
08:31:23 | GodEater | nope |
08:31:29 | PapaAvi | damn.... |
08:31:36 | PapaAvi | what are you? |
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08:33:10 | GodEater | "staff" |
08:33:21 | GodEater | amiconn, I just got my first drop out |
08:33:34 | GodEater | I've only turned on dircache |
08:33:40 | GodEater | and loaded the cabbiev2 theme |
08:34:03 | PapaAvi | staff... so you are an op here? |
08:34:04 | GodEater | I keep seeing the buffering screen doing strange things when the dropouts happen |
08:34:16 | GodEater | no - I'm a forum mod |
08:35:09 | PapaAvi | ah ok |
08:35:20 | PapaAvi | well thanks for the help, appreciate your time |
08:35:35 | GodEater | no problem |
08:35:53 | PapaAvi | while i;m at it... what is the bottom port of the ipod called? |
08:35:56 | PapaAvi | technicallly |
08:36:00 | GodEater | the dock port |
08:36:03 | PapaAvi | k, thanks |
08:36:30 | PapaAvi | am i allowed to offer a cash reward for the developer that makes it? |
08:36:33 | GodEater | of course |
08:36:36 | PapaAvi | sweet |
08:36:56 | GodEater | there's a paypal link on the site for "generic" rockbox donations, and you're free to come to an arrangement personally with a dev if you wish |
08:37:06 | GodEater | although I'd tell people here about it too |
08:37:20 | GodEater | so we can make sure you're giving money to someone who we recognise as a dev |
08:37:24 | GodEater | and not someone just fleecing you :) |
08:37:45 | PapaAvi | well i would pay them after they made it of course. |
08:38:05 | GodEater | yes, but you're still going to need to send the hardware |
08:38:13 | PapaAvi | true |
08:38:26 | GodEater | or pay for them to buy their own |
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08:40:57 | PapaAvi | well i posted it |
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08:41:30 | GodEater | good luck :) |
08:41:43 | PapaAvi | thanks, how often to people answer these? |
08:43:55 | * | Llorean wonders where you posted it. |
08:44:11 | * | PapaAvi posted it under recording |
08:44:12 | amiconn | GodEater: So the problem might be a bitmapped theme, or an aa theme, or the combination of both |
08:44:24 | * | amiconn hates that cabbie theme hence won't use it |
08:44:31 | Llorean | Hm. |
08:44:39 | GodEater | not even for debugging purposes ? |
08:44:44 | Llorean | I'm not particularly fond of flyspray being used as a means for offering bounties. =/ |
08:45:08 | PapaAvi | just wanted to give some incentive |
08:45:31 | PapaAvi | didn't know if it was unethical or something..... i could just make the donation go towards rockbox if you choose |
08:45:50 | GodEater | I don't see a problem with it myself |
08:45:58 | Llorean | I don't see a problem with bounties. |
08:46:25 | * | PapaAvi ;) |
08:46:45 | Llorean | But posting them on flyspray seems a little... I dunno. Like it becomes part of "official" practice for bounties to be posted, and people thinking that bounties might make things more likely (I think often they won't make any difference) |
08:46:57 | Llorean | e |
08:46:59 | GodEater | I agree, I don't think it'll matter at all |
08:47:09 | GodEater | but I don't see that as a reason to ask people not to post them |
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08:47:32 | Llorean | I didn't ask anyone not to post them, just said I'm not fond of it being there. |
08:47:57 | PapaAvi | i can post is somewhere else? |
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08:48:29 | GodEater | in my mind there's no better place to post it |
08:48:35 | GodEater | feature requests belong in flyspray |
08:48:41 | Llorean | I'd rather see a separate way of tracking bounties. Though to an extent it does also irritate me that the bounty will go to the person who does the last 5% of the work, when code developed by a few dozen people at least is the reason something was even possible. ;) |
08:48:58 | GodEater | there is that |
08:49:04 | Llorean | Like, feature requests go in flyspray like normal, but a separate page can go up just for bounties of some sort. |
08:49:39 | PapaAvi | then ii can make the donation go to rockbox paypal and just vary the amount on how much is done/ how many people do it? |
08:49:57 | Llorean | I just don't want flyspray tasks turning into bidding wars. Group A thinks "Accessory Protocol" is important. Group B things "Mpegplayer improvement" is important. Two tasks fill up with comments saying "I'll pitch in another $5" spamming out any technical discussion. |
08:50:02 | PapaAvi | but spread the word! :P |
08:50:32 | GodEater | Llorean: you really think that's likely ? |
08:50:45 | Llorean | GodEater: I've seen some tasks fill up with a lot of "I'd really like this too" sorta comments. |
08:50:59 | GodEater | so it happens whether there's a bounty or not... |
08:51:16 | Llorean | Yeah, but there could be a Bounties wiki page. |
08:51:26 | Llorean | Then you have real names associated with the edits adding money into the pool for each feature, etc. |
08:51:30 | Llorean | Or theoretical real names. |
08:51:37 | GodEater | and we all know how popular the wiki is with our less technical members... |
08:51:51 | * | PapaAvi w00t |
08:52:24 | GodEater | amiconn: I'm convinced the issue is with AA |
08:52:33 | GodEater | I've loaded another bitmap heavy theme up |
08:52:35 | Llorean | As well as a posted description asking something like "Rockbox is a project developed by hundreds of developers, and we humbly ask that bounties be intended as future donations to the project as a whole, though we understand if you would rather tip the specific programmer who implemented your feature and leave it to him to decide what is done with the money" or some such |
08:52:38 | GodEater | but it lacks AA support |
08:52:41 | GodEater | no drop outs again |
08:52:55 | Llorean | GodEater: Flyspray is generally just as unpopular. The big hurdle seems to be "I don't want to register for something else" |
08:53:08 | GodEater | I agree |
08:53:20 | GodEater | but registration for the forums / flyspray doesn't involve coming here |
08:53:30 | GodEater | where the wiki does (if you want to do anything useful) |
08:53:52 | Llorean | Yes, a dozen people can post "I'll pitch in 5 dollars" to a task and all turn out to be the same person. |
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08:54:08 | GodEater | that too |
08:54:09 | Llorean | At least when they have to come here it means there's some chance we might notice foul play. |
08:54:15 | PapaAvi | registratrion is simple though..... if they are too lazy to do that, then thheir request cant be that significan |
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08:55:01 | GodEater | even that system isn't infallible though Llorean |
08:55:08 | Llorean | No, nothing's infallible. |
08:55:10 | GodEater | all it takes is a list of "real" names and a changing tor exit node... |
08:55:25 | PapaAvi | Llorean: satan is infallible |
08:55:26 | Llorean | And someone willing to stagger them over several days as to not arouse suspicion, etc. |
08:55:40 | Llorean | Just sayin, it's a little more dependable that way. |
08:55:42 | GodEater | let's not bring religion into it |
08:55:46 | PapaAvi | :P |
08:55:49 | GodEater | rockbox is a secular state :) |
08:55:49 | PapaAvi | j/k |
08:56:14 | GodEater | well sure, set it up then Llorean - I'm certainly not going to disagree |
08:56:27 | GodEater | but I still think it won't make a blind bit of difference which features get implemented and which don't |
08:56:34 | GodEater | none of us are here for the money :) |
08:56:57 | PapaAvi | you are here for the good times and laughs? yes? |
08:57:00 | GodEater | just the opposite to be honest. I think I've spent more on DAPS since I got involved than ever :) |
08:57:09 | GodEater | PapaAvi: pretty much |
08:57:14 | Llorean | Yeah, I've spent quite a lot of money on Rockbox-related costs. |
08:57:19 | PapaAvi | thats why i always loved ir |
08:57:21 | PapaAvi | irc* |
08:57:26 | GodEater | I love laughing at Llorean when he goes postal in the forums :) |
08:57:30 | PapaAvi | i left it cuz its too much fun on the social networks |
08:57:31 | Llorean | There is that. :) |
08:57:56 | Llorean | GodEater: I may not be around much longer tonight. Would you mind asking the swedes if they object to a FeatureBounties wiki page if you spot them active? |
08:58:04 | GodEater | certainly sir |
08:58:13 | GodEater | I think most of them read the logs though :) |
08:58:19 | Llorean | Thanks. If they're okay with it, I'll go ahead and try to set one up. |
08:58:21 | GodEater | I shall prod them though |
08:58:48 | Llorean | Better to be safe than depend on them spotting the fact that I want to act on the idea. ;) |
08:58:52 | GodEater | yep |
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09:02:50 | * | GodEater discounts GSoC |
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09:05:05 | * | GodEater spots a "Swede" and endeavours to draw his attention to Llorean's recent suggestion |
09:05:21 | * | GodEater jumps up and down |
09:05:28 | * | GodEater points a lot |
09:05:58 | * | GodEater gets out of breath |
09:06:38 | * | GodEater has to sit down |
09:07:19 | * | amiconn suspects that GodEater aims for the 'king of irc actions' title ;) |
09:07:24 | GodEater | hehe |
09:07:32 | scorche | LinusN: has Jeff responded to you yet? |
09:07:41 | scorche | amiconn: no one can take that title from you! ;) |
09:07:59 | GodEater | amiconn is emperor for life is he ? |
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09:08:53 | amiconn | scorche: huh? |
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09:09:33 | scorche | amiconn: i asked him to ask Jeff how much BW the forums take up |
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09:09:36 | LinusN | scorche: i haven't mailed him yet... |
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09:09:49 | scorche | LinusN: ah |
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09:10:39 | LinusN | scorche: mailed him now |
09:11:14 | amiconn | scorche: I was referring to your other statement... |
09:11:21 | scorche | rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php |
09:11:33 | LinusN | FeatureBounties? |
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09:11:42 | scorche | Jens Arnold always lets us know what he's doing: 5812 actions! and in second place: Also, Peter D'Hoye tells us what's up with 2854 actions. |
09:11:52 | GodEater | LinusN: probably best if you read the few lines before it |
09:11:56 | GodEater | to see the reasoning behind it |
09:11:58 | scorche | hence, you are teh king of IRC actions |
09:12:22 | amiconn | oh |
09:12:31 | * | amiconn should talk less and code more :/ |
09:12:34 | GodEater | hehe |
09:13:01 | scorche | amiconn: and if those complete stats are old, the new per-month ones all show you having the most actions :) |
09:13:23 | LinusN | i do see some problems with bounties |
09:13:50 | LinusN | 1) they can really only go to developers with svn access |
09:14:19 | LinusN | because there is otherwise little guarantee that the feature ends up in svn |
09:14:24 | GodEater | indeed |
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09:14:39 | amiconn | scorche: The 2008 stats actually show that my suspicion was correct... rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2008.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/2008.php ;) |
09:15:31 | scorche | amiconn: he has a loooooooong way to go before even beginning to catch up :) |
09:15:32 | LinusN | 2) it would take quite a lot of money to make me stay home from work and work on a rockbox feature instead :-/ |
09:15:56 | GodEater | LinusN: but 2) isn't a problem for us, it's a problem for the person who wants the feature |
09:15:57 | scorche | let him have one month! |
09:16:19 | LinusN | 3) no money in the world (well almost) can push an unwanted feature into svn |
09:16:54 | LinusN | other than that, if someone wants to pay a developer to implement a feature, why not? |
09:16:56 | GodEater | we could mark such features as a No on the page presumably ? |
09:17:07 | * | scorche > bed |
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09:21:14 | pixelma | Zagor: found at the last days that /query seems to be disabled in the webclient too (unless you fixed that between yesterday evening and now) :) |
09:21:23 | pixelma | s/at/out |
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09:22:08 | * | petur2 thinks that if(scorche > bed) { scorche needs bigger bed; } |
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09:23:10 | Zagor | pixelma: I'll enable it |
09:24:16 | pixelma | thanks |
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09:30:43 | * | pondlife wakes up and smells the $$$ |
09:31:06 | pondlife | So http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8536 is worth 10000 Euros, huh? |
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09:32:29 | * | LinusN has spent ages disassembling the ipod boot code to reverse engineer the serial port driver |
09:32:45 | LinusN | still missing the code to enable the rx/tx |
09:33:19 | LinusN | the ipod video boot code that is |
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09:33:46 | pondlife | GodEater: Regarding the insane disk activity. Do you know exactly which SVN revision first suffers it? |
09:34:00 | pondlife | i.e. was it MoB or spinlocks, or what? |
09:34:06 | LinusN | spinlocks |
09:34:24 | pondlife | Which was after MoB, right? |
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09:34:36 | LinusN | yes |
09:35:13 | * | pondlife scans IRC logs |
09:35:46 | pondlife | GodEater: So default settings cured it for you? Any idea which setting was responsible yet? |
09:35:55 | LinusN | the thing is that the spinlock patch changes the way the threads are scheduled |
09:36:13 | pondlife | Thus revealing an underlying bug? |
09:36:18 | GodEater | pondlife: I've not seen it today |
09:36:30 | GodEater | but I'm still running a build from last night that jhMikes gave me some patches for |
09:36:34 | pondlife | Ah ok |
09:36:34 | LinusN | so if two threads access the disk, it will take a loooooong time for them to finish |
09:36:43 | pondlife | Suckmongous |
09:36:50 | GodEater | and three threads would be worse still I assume |
09:36:51 | pixelma | cool_walking_: I saw the Nano problem in sliding_puzzle too yesterday night and worked on a fix (hopefully a "clean" one), the thing also has a problem on the small H10 (the bitmap is full screen, so no space for the "Moves" box). Got that part ready but wanted to make said box nicer while at it, it seems to still use the old definitions for it. |
09:36:57 | LinusN | GodEater: oh yes |
09:37:14 | GodEater | i.e. if you have dircache, resume on startup, and tagcache autoupdate on |
09:37:16 | GodEater | you're screwed |
09:37:35 | pondlife | Indeed. This affects single CPU targets too, but less? |
09:37:42 | pondlife | e.g. My H380 |
09:37:49 | pondlife | Or is it just multicore? |
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09:38:33 | pondlife | Sorry if I'm going over old ground, but the logs aren't clear. |
09:38:41 | pondlife | (or I missed a bit) |
09:38:51 | pixelma | GodEater: and an AA WPS makes it even worse, right? |
09:39:00 | pondlife | Hey, more disk access = worse |
09:39:13 | GodEater | pixelma: probably |
09:39:27 | GodEater | but the AA theme seems to be the thing which really screws up audio |
09:39:37 | GodEater | if I don't use an AA theme - playback is much much better |
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09:39:51 | GodEater | which is odd - because the AA for an album is only loaded once (I assume) |
09:39:58 | GodEater | so I wouldn't have thought it made that much difference |
09:40:09 | pondlife | It should be... check the sim maybe? |
09:40:18 | GodEater | but the audio still drops out, even after the AA pic is loaded |
09:40:28 | pondlife | All file opens are listed in the sim stdout |
09:40:28 | GodEater | the buffering screen goes mental though |
09:40:37 | GodEater | you get negative values |
09:40:39 | pondlife | I saw you mention -ve values |
09:40:43 | GodEater | then enormously positive ones |
09:40:54 | pondlife | 64MB overflows? |
09:41:01 | GodEater | ??? |
09:41:11 | pondlife | Which iPod do you have? |
09:41:16 | pondlife | 32MB or 64MB? |
09:41:23 | GodEater | 64 |
09:41:29 | pondlife | Try the 32MB build? |
09:41:42 | GodEater | could do I suppose |
09:41:47 | pondlife | I wonder if some pointer arithmetic is borked |
09:43:09 | GodEater | I would expect something going more seriously wrong though |
09:43:26 | GodEater | you get these -ve values for like a split second, and then they correct back to what they were before |
09:43:36 | pondlife | Racy stuff |
09:43:38 | LinusN | i think the buffering is b0rked somehow |
09:44:06 | pondlife | At least it should be possible to debug now |
09:44:10 | LinusN | not to mention the unbuffer callbacks (playcount) |
09:44:23 | pondlife | That's just badly designed |
09:44:35 | pondlife | It should be saving them in RAM until the next spinup |
09:45:12 | pondlife | Or was that the intention? |
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09:47:01 | pondlife | rasher: Those last seen values on rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php look a bit suspect, but nice work otherwise |
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09:55:10 | cool_walking__ | I swear I killed Miranda at work :-/ |
09:55:58 | cool_walking__ | pixelma: Definitely best to use yours then, I'm have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. |
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10:00:34 | LinusN | i am reading BufferingAPIProposal and MetadataOnBuffer, but they seem outdated |
10:00:39 | * | pondlife wonders if cool_walking_ has a former colleague named Miranda... |
10:00:50 | pondlife | LinusN: They probably are :/ |
10:01:11 | LinusN | would be nice to merge those two into a more up-to-date document |
10:01:59 | pondlife | Indeed |
10:02:18 | pondlife | There's another page about Playback somewhere too |
10:02:32 | pondlife | lostlogic's take on it |
10:02:49 | pondlife | MoB is Nico_P's and BufferingAPIProposal is mine |
10:02:56 | pondlife | But none of them are the truth |
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10:46:13 | BenniBoya | can anyone give me the source code for the stock ipod nano bootloader (the one that works as soon as you install it)? |
10:46:51 | GodEater | BenniBoya: "stock" ? |
10:47:00 | markun | I think only apply has that code |
10:47:03 | markun | Apple |
10:47:10 | BenniBoya | i mean the rockbox bootloader |
10:47:15 | BenniBoya | the one that works as soon as you install it |
10:47:17 | GodEater | BenniBoya: that's in svn |
10:47:30 | BenniBoya | is the svn the same as the source tarball? |
10:47:34 | GodEater | yes |
10:47:35 | markun | BenniBoya: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/bootloader/ipod.c?view=markup |
10:47:55 | BenniBoya | well the ipod bootloader in the tarball didnt work for me when i built it originaly |
10:47:56 | markun | BenniBoya: well, it's not the same, but should have the same content. |
10:48:41 | GodEater | BenniBoya: that probably means you built it wrong |
10:48:46 | GodEater | BenniBoya: it works for me |
10:48:50 | markun | Maybe the bootloader is broken right now. Usually it's not compiled until is new version is needed for some reason |
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10:49:23 | BenniBoya | would installing it from linux on2 a winpod do anything? |
10:49:25 | markun | GodEater: do you also compile your own bootloader? |
10:49:26 | GodEater | markun: it's not broken - I only built it yesterday |
10:49:30 | markun | ok |
10:49:38 | GodEater | markun: I don't usually - but yesterday I did |
10:49:52 | BenniBoya | you tred to buikld it for me god deater |
10:49:59 | BenniBoya | when i was having trouble |
10:50:08 | markun | I also built it for you |
10:50:15 | markun | but don't have an ipod to try it on |
10:50:30 | GodEater | it definitely works |
10:50:39 | BenniBoya | ok |
10:50:55 | markun | BenniBoya: it what way didn't the bootloader not work btw? |
10:51:25 | BenniBoya | i had tried to change the boot order in the source |
10:51:31 | BenniBoya | bt it just didnt boot rockbox |
10:51:43 | markun | did it work without any changes? |
10:51:50 | BenniBoya | no |
10:51:56 | markun | strange |
10:52:01 | BenniBoya | it just didnt boot rockbox |
10:52:17 | BenniBoya | it mite have just been earlier, ill check again |
10:52:23 | BenniBoya | when i find my ipod |
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10:52:33 | markun | good luck with the search |
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10:53:52 | BenniBoya | could someone explain, if I wanted rockbox to boot witht the hold switch on, what part of ipod.c would i have to swap |
10:54:19 | * | amiconn never gets why someone would want to swap the default boot order.... |
10:54:33 | amiconn | *especially* not on ipod |
10:54:42 | GodEater | nor me |
10:54:52 | BenniBoya | i want it to be "hold switch on=rockbox, hold witch off = ipod" |
10:55:06 | BenniBoya | its just personal preference as i swap alot |
10:55:46 | GodEater | I think it only appeals to people who think "rockbox == games platform" rather than "better than the Apple firmware by miles" |
10:56:37 | LinusN | well, you can't really blame people for being satisified with the apple firmware |
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10:57:10 | * | GodEater isn't blaming anyone for anything |
10:57:15 | BenniBoya | i just kinda dislike the music player in rb compared to ipod |
10:57:32 | LinusN | BenniBoya: care to tell us why? |
10:57:37 | pixelma | LinusN: true but why do they want Rockbox then? ;) |
10:57:41 | pondlife | So we can improve it.. |
10:57:56 | BenniBoya | with quite a few songs, the taggs are missing |
10:58:11 | LinusN | BenniBoya: is that all? |
10:58:12 | amiconn | I don't get it because booting into apple stays there anyway until you reset, while rockbox shuts down the hardware and you can choose again at next boot |
10:58:23 | BenniBoya | when im in the menu, i go to skip but it opens menu |
10:58:44 | BenniBoya | and the having to rebuild database (which i understand) kinda annoys me |
10:59:01 | BenniBoya | know im just winging but... yea |
10:59:03 | pondlife | You shouldn't have to rebuild the database |
10:59:20 | pondlife | Update if you add stuff, but nothing more |
10:59:21 | BenniBoya | when i add new music, it doesnt appear |
10:59:30 | BenniBoya | i set it ro auto update |
10:59:30 | LinusN | to me it sounds like you are suffering from plain bugs |
10:59:35 | amiconn | (apart from that the apple fw is completely useless for me) |
10:59:55 | BenniBoya | i like rockboxs look but i just prefer ipod fw for bowsing and listening to music |
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11:00:20 | pondlife | That's a NotSoGoldenQuote :/ |
11:00:48 | LinusN | speaking of database, it sounds to me that we are having huge problems with it |
11:00:52 | pondlife | Rockbox is mianly about browsing and listening to music |
11:01:14 | pondlife | Auto-update is buggy, I find |
11:01:33 | BenniBoya | I use rokbox for applications and videos |
11:01:33 | pondlife | Manual update is generally ok on H300. |
11:01:41 | BenniBoya | and occasionly music |
11:01:50 | LinusN | dozens and dozens of reports, all ending up with "deleting and reinitializing solved it" |
11:02:01 | LinusN | that's not a solution goddammit |
11:02:18 | * | pondlife suggests that the database needs to be rewritten in C++ (and then hides) |
11:02:25 | GodEater | and lots of reports of it hanging on attempting to build in the first place |
11:02:25 | pondlife | database code I mean |
11:02:46 | LinusN | whatever works |
11:02:52 | pondlife | I forgot my ;) |
11:02:55 | GodEater | if we encounter a bad tag(tm) during building we should just skip it, not hang the whole process |
11:03:16 | pondlife | Absolutely. And provide a build log (text) to indicate what went wrong |
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11:03:23 | GodEater | that would be good |
11:03:28 | LinusN | a log would be nice |
11:03:43 | GodEater | even if it only listed the filenames |
11:03:45 | LinusN | maybe that's the first we should do |
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11:04:56 | BenniBoya | can i just add a sugestion for the ipod version? |
11:05:27 | LinusN | please do |
11:05:45 | BenniBoya | perhaps find a way to get the ipodfw playlists (for people who have only just installed |
11:05:49 | BenniBoya | and album artwork |
11:06:04 | BenniBoya | it might just me my version missing this if it has already been updated |
11:08:11 | GodEater | didn't jhMikes say that the sleep(1) in build_tagcache() is bad ? |
11:08:14 | LinusN | that's a quite big undertaking |
11:08:42 | BenniBoya | i was just throwing some ideas |
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11:10:31 | LinusN | BenniBoya: ideas are good, and it's not like it's impossible |
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11:11:11 | BenniBoya | i knownext to nothing about c or programing so i dont know its limits |
11:11:41 | LinusN | BenniBoya: the thing is that the ipod database is more or less undocumented |
11:11:52 | BenniBoya | oh ok |
11:11:53 | LinusN | but i'm sure there is code out there that can read it |
11:12:12 | GodEater | gtkpod and it's ilk probably have some sort of code to do that |
11:12:30 | BenniBoya | i read somewhere that a part of the ipod code is some kidn of ibm code |
11:12:34 | BenniBoya | lol |
11:12:45 | LinusN | we could perhaps add it to rbutil |
11:13:51 | LinusN | BenniBoya: the thing is that we have no intention of adding complete support for itunes |
11:14:09 | BenniBoya | yea i know |
11:14:17 | BenniBoya | rockbox is seperate |
11:14:23 | GodEater | and not just for ipods |
11:14:33 | LinusN | in fact, rockbox is a way to escape from itunes |
11:15:43 | BenniBoya | yea |
11:16:08 | BenniBoya | if its not to much trouble, could some1 check if this code would work? http://pastebin.ca/886009 |
11:16:49 | GodEater | do we want tagcache to *always* create a log file ? Or would a logf build which people can use when they find a broken file be good enough ? |
11:17:32 | LinusN | GodEater: always |
11:17:46 | LinusN | BenniBoya: it would be a lot easier to see only your changes |
11:18:35 | BenniBoya | LinusN: I changed from 302 down |
11:18:42 | BenniBoya | I just swapped something |
11:20:26 | LinusN | "something" |
11:21:59 | BenniBoya | i swapped the set of lines that load rockbox with the ones that boot apple |
11:22:07 | LinusN | i see now |
11:22:38 | BenniBoya | and the ipod boot part is where rockbox boot used to be |
11:22:39 | LinusN | looks like it might work |
11:23:03 | BenniBoya | i had tried earlier and it seemed to have not |
11:23:22 | LinusN | BenniBoya: i have a simpler suggestion |
11:23:32 | BenniBoya | does it include leaving it? |
11:23:45 | BenniBoya | lol |
11:24:03 | LinusN | use the original version of ipod.c and change line 302 to: |
11:24:16 | LinusN | if (!(button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU))) { |
11:24:36 | LinusN | that will invert the check for the hold switch |
11:24:57 | BenniBoya | i dont mind the switch and all |
11:25:16 | BenniBoya | i wanted rb to load with the switch on |
11:25:19 | BenniBoya | and apple without |
11:25:33 | LinusN | i.e inverting the hold switch |
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11:26:00 | LinusN | my suggestion will do exactly that |
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11:28:37 | BenniBoya | sorry to be picky but i wanted apple to boot automaticly, no buttons and rockbox with the switch and menu |
11:28:45 | BenniBoya | as i changed it, would that happen> |
11:28:46 | BenniBoya | ? |
11:30:18 | markun | BenniBoya: why don't you try LinusN's suggestion? |
11:30:45 | BenniBoya | ok |
11:30:59 | LinusN | BenniBoya: my suggestion attempts to do exactly what you describe |
11:31:14 | BenniBoya | ok sorry for beign kinda rude |
11:31:20 | LinusN | with the difference that my change is a lot simpler |
11:31:27 | BenniBoya | ok |
11:31:34 | BenniBoya | ill try that in the morning |
11:31:40 | markun | but do it with the original file, not the one where you swapped the code |
11:31:53 | BenniBoya | ok |
11:31:58 | markun | ah, that's what LinusN said :) |
11:32:59 | * | markun wonders why are there somany better things to do when you have to finish a paper.. |
11:33:25 | LinusN | i know the feeling |
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11:33:29 | BenniBoya | ty |
11:33:31 | BenniBoya | i gtg |
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11:35:11 | markun | LinusN: I feel like going to a rockbox devcon. A lot more fun :) |
11:35:20 | markun | When will we start planning the next one? |
11:35:49 | markun | and are we going to do it in the USA of first wait till the dollar drops a bit more? :) |
11:35:54 | markun | s/of/or/ |
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11:36:52 | * | petur hopes devcon will fit his planning :) |
11:37:06 | markun | yes, me too |
11:37:13 | pixelma | markun: do they let you in with a laptop and a bunch of Rockbox devices? ;) |
11:37:33 | markun | pixelma: oops, forgot about the post 9-11 paranoia |
11:37:38 | leftright | for info, on my gf's Archos X202, the database scan locked the player up during scan, a hard reset was required. The culprit was incorrectly tagged wma files. I also found that some folks bury the most amasing shite in the comments field of the ID3 tag, I found the entire aritsts biography in several comments field, this was also causing the database to choke. |
11:37:39 | petur | more importantly, we need a country without import restrictions on beer :) |
11:37:57 | markun | pixelma: but will they let people out with that kind of stuff? |
11:38:30 | pixelma | markun: they are happy if these people leave... :) |
11:39:30 | vitalspark | does having a large database (~70GB) on rockbox slow it down ? seems to spend a minute or so "accessing" the hard disc when i play a file |
11:40:07 | markun | a 70GB database! |
11:40:26 | vitalspark | its a 5g 80gb ipod tho |
11:40:32 | LinusN | markun: i think he means 70GB worth of files |
11:40:40 | markun | vitalspark: well, I have no idea if having a lot of files should slow down loading |
11:40:41 | vitalspark | yeah i meant that lol |
11:40:55 | markun | LinusN: really? ;) |
11:40:58 | LinusN | vitalspark: are you using the latest version of rockbox |
11:41:00 | LinusN | ? |
11:41:04 | vitalspark | yeah, just updated |
11:41:16 | markun | could be the spinlock bug |
11:41:20 | LinusN | we currently have severe disk access performance problems |
11:41:22 | vitalspark | r16181 |
11:41:36 | pixelma | vitalspark: it shouldn't but currently there seems to be bugs related to buffering, playback, updating database which cause more disk activity, seems most obvious on 80GB Ipods |
11:41:53 | vitalspark | yeah..sounds like a similar issue to what I'm having |
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11:42:25 | LinusN | GodEater: how did jhMikeS' latest patch turn out? |
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11:43:01 | GodEater | better then what's in svn |
11:43:05 | GodEater | but not a perfect fix |
11:44:05 | leftright | database scan needs to fail or skip the problem files gracefully if it encounters a problem tag |
11:44:15 | vitalspark | quick q re. the themes: do you just copy across the .zip or do you have to extract folder to folder |
11:44:43 | markun | leftright: and we should improve the metadata parsers |
11:44:46 | LinusN | vitalspark: you usually have to extract the zip to the root of the player |
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11:46:32 | vitalspark | sounds right, cool |
11:46:51 | vitalspark | and is it possible to have it support .jpg rather than .gif album art ? |
11:46:58 | vitalspark | all my art is in jpg format |
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11:49:31 | LinusN | vitalspark: we are considering that, but don't hold your bbreath |
11:49:58 | pixelma | vitalspark: .gif won't help you either ;) |
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11:51:09 | pixelma | album art works with bmp files, you can find more info on the AlbumArt page in the wiki |
11:51:44 | vitalspark | why not jpg |
11:52:05 | vitalspark | rockbox will read jpg through the file browser |
11:52:33 | petur | because that is a plugin |
11:52:41 | LinusN | vitalspark: the jpg viewer is a plugin, but album art needs to be in the main rockbox code |
11:53:00 | vitalspark | oh...i just installed rockbox, and didnt add any plugins.... |
11:53:25 | vitalspark | i wish i knew how to program, would add in jpg support |
11:53:45 | pixelma | you installe all the plugins as they come with Rockbox... |
11:53:48 | LinusN | all plugins are included in the rockbox distribution |
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11:54:06 | vitalspark | that explains it |
11:54:19 | * | LinusN would like support for jpg album art in the core |
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11:54:37 | vitalspark | wonder why they went for bmp when the standard ipod firmware supports jpg |
11:54:43 | markun | sufjan stevens, screwing with people who rip his CD's by using track names like: The Black Hawk war, or, How to demolish an entire civilization and still feel good about yourself in the morning, or, We apologize for the inconvenience but you're going to have to leave now, or, "I have fought the big knives and will continue to fight them until they are off our lands!" |
11:55:10 | vitalspark | thought rockbox was supposed to be better |
11:55:17 | LinusN | vitalspark: i'm pretty sure that the ipod firmware doesn't use jpg, but the jpg files are converted by itunes when you synch the database |
11:55:59 | vitalspark | i didnt use iTunes |
11:56:05 | vitalspark | (I dont think) |
11:56:28 | vitalspark | i cant remember what i used lol.....used mediamonkey with rockbox to transfer |
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11:57:06 | vitalspark | there should be a prog to dl to ipod that will convert all album art (so dont have convert on puter) |
11:58:36 | LinusN | sounds like a waste of time and battery to let the poor ipod do the work |
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11:59:29 | vitalspark | lol maybe...but i want jpgs on the puter to stay jpg |
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12:00:25 | LinusN | of course, that's why you only convert the jpg that are on the ipod disk |
12:00:27 | cool_walking__ | If someone was going to write an app to convert jpg to bmp, they might as well just implement jpg in the core instead... |
12:00:52 | LinusN | i'd like rbutil to do that |
12:01:11 | vitalspark | eggsactly |
12:01:28 | cool_walking__ | clarification: a rockbox app, that is |
12:01:53 | LinusN | there are several disadvantages to adding jpg support to the core |
12:02:00 | vitalspark | pray tell |
12:02:08 | LinusN | waste of memory and battery are two |
12:02:24 | LinusN | some album art jpgs are quite big |
12:02:36 | vitalspark | arent they smaller than bmp |
12:02:50 | LinusN | i'm talking about dimensions |
12:03:01 | LinusN | and rockbox would have to load the huge jpg, decode it and scale it down in realtime |
12:03:09 | vitalspark | true |
12:03:22 | LinusN | wasting buffer space and battery |
12:03:48 | vitalspark | how about rockbox auto-resize & save to new size when it first encounters a new jpg |
12:03:58 | LinusN | vitalspark: that's a good idea |
12:04:14 | LinusN | "artcache" :-) |
12:04:16 | vitalspark | thanks |
12:04:54 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
12:04:57 | vitalspark | whilst i've got someone who seems to know what theyre talking about.... |
12:05:02 | vitalspark | oo have u got 1 sec ? |
12:05:06 | LinusN | 1 sec, sure |
12:05:10 | vitalspark | ummmm |
12:05:15 | LinusN | time's up |
12:05:16 | LinusN | :-) |
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12:05:17 | vitalspark | well maybe 1 min would be more appropriate |
12:05:21 | vitalspark | lol |
12:05:42 | markun | vitalspark: just ask, he can always answer when he comes back from lunch |
12:05:50 | * | LinusN waits for the question |
12:05:50 | vitalspark | lol k |
12:05:54 | vitalspark | o |
12:05:58 | vitalspark | stupid Q |
12:06:01 | LinusN | tumtidum |
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12:06:10 | markun | the time pressure is getting to him.. |
12:06:14 | vitalspark | just wondering when i load up a new theme etc from the zip (from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g) |
12:06:29 | pixelma | vitalspark: don't make LinusN starve ;) |
12:06:35 | vitalspark | and apply new theme from ipod menu, it seems to apply everything except the wps |
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12:06:55 | vitalspark | i go to the add new wps option, but it still keeps the same format (though with the updated colours) |
12:07:03 | LinusN | vitalspark: many of those wps:es are incompatible nowadays |
12:07:04 | markun | vitalspark: if the WPS can't be loaded you don't get a warning but it just doesn't load it :) |
12:07:16 | vitalspark | why wouldnt it load ? |
12:07:27 | markun | maybe a splash "WSP couldn't be loaded" wouldn't be a bad idea |
12:07:28 | LinusN | the wps format changes once in a while |
12:07:30 | vitalspark | rockbox recognises it and displays it in the menu |
12:07:34 | vitalspark | o |
12:07:44 | pixelma | vitalspark: might be a broken WPS, which one did you try? |
12:07:52 | * | LinusN is off |
12:07:52 | vitalspark | tried 2 |
12:07:54 | vitalspark | just tried |
12:08:00 | vitalspark | thanx linusn |
12:08:06 | vitalspark | tried iPod blue |
12:08:16 | vitalspark | and also iRocker |
12:08:34 | vitalspark | both themes/font worked, but the WPS (though it changed colour) was still the same as before |
12:08:54 | vitalspark | even after i went specifically to "browse wps files" in rockbox & selected it |
12:09:11 | vitalspark | shouldnt it automatically use the new wps if you are selecting a new theme ? |
12:09:26 | markun | vitalspark: not if the WPS is broken |
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12:09:49 | vitalspark | coincidence that the 2 I tried were both broken |
12:09:54 | vitalspark | maybe I will try some more |
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12:10:06 | pixelma | if the wps file contains errors it'll fall back to the default one that's why it looks as if nothing's changed and those 2 are quite old I think - so it's more likely that there are errors |
12:10:10 | vitalspark | can you confirm that i do not have to select wps separate if I select new theme ? |
12:10:13 | petur | try one that comes with rockbox in the zip |
12:10:20 | vitalspark | ok |
12:10:27 | vitalspark | yeah rockbox ones in zip work |
12:10:30 | markun | pixelma: let's at least add some feedback to the user |
12:11:40 | vitalspark | good idea |
12:12:43 | pixelma | markun: sure I'm all for it - and there were people saying this ever since Nico_P introduced said fallback with the new WPS parser |
12:13:05 | petur | and a log of where it fails? |
12:13:48 | vitalspark | hey this theme is quite nice |
12:14:06 | markun | vitalspark: which one did you try? |
12:14:49 | vitalspark | cabbiev2 |
12:15:01 | vitalspark | that came with the original zip |
12:15:03 | markun | it might become the default theme for rockbox |
12:15:25 | vitalspark | yeah ? its definitely nicer than the existing default imo |
12:15:36 | pixelma | the old parser showed the WPS to the point it was broken - so it also looked completely broken and you could get some idea where the error was |
12:15:46 | BigBambi | Anything is nicer than the existing default :) |
12:16:24 | vitalspark | lol....yeah i dont understand why the existing default is so bland...would put users off before they had a chance to explore |
12:17:11 | vitalspark | hmm ipod hard disc seems to be going crazy....constant accessing |
12:17:17 | Bagder | vitalspark: you don't "understand" it? you read up on the history of the project and the wps and stuff and tried to understand it? |
12:17:50 | vitalspark | easy tiger |
12:17:59 | vitalspark | i was just saying |
12:18:56 | pixelma | vitalspark: I think that the bug you asked about earlier becomes even more obvious with an album art them (as cabbie2 is) |
12:18:58 | BigBambi | vitalspark - rockbox has been going for many years, starting out on the old Archos players. For the original of them, the default makes perfect sense |
12:19:15 | vitalspark | yeah, I can imagine that |
12:19:28 | BigBambi | vitalspark - Rockbox runs on many more players than iPods, which are a fairly recent addition |
12:19:36 | BigBambi | It is not on iPod project |
12:19:50 | vitalspark | yeah i saw that from the website |
12:20:10 | markun | vitalspark: this was one of the first rockbox targets: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsArchos |
12:20:39 | pixelma | the current default has one advantage - it works with a lot of fonts. It didn't look all that bad with e.g. nimbus-10 on my c200 (so that 8 lines fit on the screen)... yeah, I know the c200 has a much smaller display than an Ipod Video... :) |
12:20:42 | BigBambi | This is why we do not try to replecate the iPod, we want to free the iPod and all the other players (most of which have much better hardware than the iPod incidently) |
12:21:03 | * | BigBambi gets annoyed by people assuming rockbox is an iPod thing and no other players exist |
12:21:34 | vitalspark | hey bambi, i didnt assume that dude |
12:21:43 | vitalspark | ive seen all the players rockbox supports |
12:21:45 | * | markun feels sorry for vitalspark :) |
12:21:46 | BigBambi | I meqnt in generql |
12:21:58 | BigBambi | *general |
12:22:04 | vitalspark | i know the team who did it are doing a great job |
12:22:26 | BigBambi | gah, replace q with a where appropriate. Damn azerty keyboard! |
12:22:56 | markun | BigBambi: don't remind me! |
12:22:58 | pixelma | poor BigBqmbi ;) |
12:23:21 | vitalspark | wonder if there'll be a rockbox for the new ipod touch :) |
12:23:26 | BigBambi | vitalspark: Sorry, I didn't mean to have a go at you, I was just venting. You would be surprised how many people do assume that though. |
12:23:41 | BigBambi | pixelma, markun: :) |
12:24:25 | vitalspark | yeah i can imagine |
12:24:53 | markun | vitalspark: usually someone decides to port rockbox to a target which he already owns or wants to buy. It also involves a lot of luck, skill and time. |
12:24:55 | vitalspark | im a pc user, i dont expect everything to work straight away :) |
12:26:08 | BigBambi | vitalspark: The point is though, there isn't a rockbox team that decides to do a port, owners do it with help from the existing devs |
12:27:07 | markun | BigBambi: although most ports I remember have been started by existing rockbox devs (irivers, ipod, e200, gigabeat) |
12:27:33 | vitalspark | I'm sure it's more complicated than I (with little programming knowledge) can imagine |
12:27:55 | BigBambi | me too :) |
12:27:55 | markun | vitalspark: if you are interested I'm sure you can help out with making rockbox better |
12:28:16 | BigBambi | i.e. more complicated than I too can imagine, not that you can... |
12:28:29 | * | BigBambi is managing to be unintentionally insulting today |
12:28:32 | vitalspark | he he |
12:28:45 | vitalspark | lol dont worry i didnt misinterpret |
12:29:22 | vitalspark | only way i can see to make rockbox better is by reporting bugs and suggesting changes/features |
12:29:56 | BigBambi | Documentation |
12:30:37 | vitalspark | documentation |
12:31:16 | BigBambi | i.e. help with it |
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12:31:30 | BigBambi | That is another way you can help to make rockbox better |
12:31:32 | markun | I noticed that MarcGuay is quite active cleaning up the wiki. Does anyone know if he's also on IRC? |
12:31:39 | vitalspark | ah, I see |
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12:31:51 | * | Bagder coughs ... http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/14/what-can-i-do-for-rockbox-when-not-programming/ |
12:32:01 | markun | vitalspark: or designing graphics, or trying to think of ways the interface could be improved. |
12:32:03 | BigBambi | We have an excellent manual, but it still needs much done, and the wiki is full of outdated info |
12:32:20 | BigBambi | markun: Don't know, sorry |
12:32:37 | Bagder | markun: he seems to be around in the forums at least |
12:32:43 | pixelma | markun: seen him a few times around here (not speaking though) but he's also quite active in the forums |
12:33:23 | BigBambi | Hmmm, tab complete on the web client is funny - it only takes the last letter typed, so when I tried it with ma for markun, I cycle through the people beginning with a |
12:33:44 | markun | BigBambi: yes, I noticed that too when I used it |
12:33:48 | vitalspark | thanks guys I'll take all that stuff on board |
12:35:50 | markun | vitalspark: most important job I forgot: becoming our new release manager! :) |
12:36:52 | vitalspark | lol |
12:37:15 | markun | vitalspark: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/01/08/the-agony-of-release/ |
12:38:31 | markun | Bagder: what do you think of putting http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/category/floss/rockbox/ on the rockbox front page? |
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12:39:07 | vitalspark | daily builds, wow |
12:39:40 | cool_walking__ | As a user, I don |
12:39:47 | cool_walking__ | 't see the need for a release |
12:39:58 | Bagder | markun: nah, it would feel a bit too egocentric of me, and I rather prefer to be as off or on topic as I please |
12:40:17 | Bagder | cool_walking_: well, lots of other users do |
12:40:53 | markun | Bagder: I think the things you write are interesting to most rockbox users, but it's not so easy to find. |
12:41:20 | markun | but I can understand if you don't want it |
12:42:33 | markun | and isn't the rockbox category always on topic? |
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12:44:29 | vitalspark | good that worked |
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12:44:50 | vitalspark | brb |
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12:49:29 | amiconn | LinusN: Regarding jpeg - they are easier to scale down than bmps, as you can make use of size-reducing idcts (like the jpeg plugin already does) |
12:49:56 | amiconn | That said, adding jpeg support to the core still sounds like overkill to me... |
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12:52:17 | picard_pwns_kirk | will the 2nd generation ipod nano be supported anytime in the near future? |
12:52:43 | Bagder | not likely |
12:54:01 | preglow | amiconn: we'll need flexible downscaling for the core anyway |
12:54:16 | preglow | adding jpeg to the core sounds like something we need to do to finish the album art support |
12:54:26 | preglow | stripped down as far as possible, of course |
12:54:30 | Bagder | I agree |
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12:55:19 | preglow | we won't need the modified idcts, for example |
12:55:35 | preglow | i assume most album art is reasonably sized... |
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12:59:53 | pixelma | preglow: I wouldn't rely on that... |
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13:09:10 | vitalspark | thanks so much for the info guys....gonna go study now but will be keeping an eye on the rockbox site/room |
13:09:51 | amiconn | preglow: Good joke... most embedded album art I encountered so far was rather huge.... |
13:11:01 | amiconn | I remember one extreme example where the album art made up half the size of the whole mp3.... not because of its resolution though |
13:11:35 | amiconn | ...but because the very same image was attached several hundred times (!) |
13:11:41 | Thundercloud | Hahaha |
13:12:02 | Bagder | having the video for the song in the id3 tags is veeeery useful ;-) |
13:13:57 | pixelma | had a song which got two embedded jpgs (front and back cover) both around 350x350 pixels wide... |
13:15:38 | pixelma | and one with a 500x500 png |
13:16:19 | preglow | pngs as well, now... |
13:16:34 | preglow | jpegs are the most commong, i hope? |
13:18:29 | LinusN | speaking of metadata, shouldn't we change the parsers so they always load the entire tag into memory (MoB)? |
13:18:53 | LinusN | except for id3 on archos, of course |
13:19:14 | preglow | load the entire tag into memory? in what way don't we do that now? |
13:19:38 | LinusN | i have heard many examples where we skip tags because they are big |
13:19:49 | preglow | ahh, yes, the structs need to be redone for that, i think |
13:19:52 | LinusN | for example huge comments in id3 |
13:20:03 | preglow | the structs are fixed size right now, with fixed size array members for stuff like comments |
13:20:07 | preglow | we need to make them dynamic |
13:20:26 | LinusN | they need to be pointers into MoB |
13:20:29 | preglow | yep |
13:20:39 | preglow | exactly |
13:20:53 | LinusN | the database is another matter, though |
13:21:07 | preglow | why would the database need to care about comments or other huge records? |
13:21:08 | LinusN | i don't know how dynamic it is |
13:21:48 | LinusN | i can imagine other records being huge too |
13:22:11 | preglow | myeah, me too, but i can't recall hearing any complaints about it, and i would have thought we'd have heard them by now |
13:22:15 | preglow | since that problem is a current one |
13:22:32 | LinusN | like "The Entire Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, directed by mr Lennart Rickardsson, formerly director of the international cricket society" |
13:22:41 | LinusN | etc |
13:22:46 | preglow | hahaha |
13:22:51 | preglow | but yeah, i've got a couple of those |
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13:23:37 | preglow | Bal-Sagoth - The Dark Liege of Chaos Is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of A'Zura-Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperborean Empire Part II), for example :) |
13:23:48 | LinusN | omg |
13:24:03 | preglow | i think i checked once, and the db dealt with it fine |
13:24:34 | idnar | Bal-Sagoth - [Starfire Burning Upon The Ice-Veiled Throne Of Ultima Thule #07] And Lo, When The Imperium Marches Against Gul-Kotho |
13:24:37 | idnar | th, Then Dark Sorceries Shall Enshroud The Citadel Of The Obsidian Crown (Episode: VIII) |
13:24:56 | LinusN | lovely :-) |
13:25:01 | pixelma | preglow: the database supports comment tags for a while now (WPS too) |
13:25:03 | Bagder | I'm sure you have selected klingon when you play those! |
13:25:06 | preglow | right |
13:25:11 | idnar | throw in the album name for good measure ;) |
13:25:46 | preglow | hmm, wtf |
13:25:53 | preglow | lang file is bust on my h120 install |
13:25:58 | preglow | now, why would it be that |
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13:29:21 | pixelma | preglow: self-compiled? Had problems with a LANG_* string during compiling, make clean and reconfigure fixed it |
13:29:50 | preglow | didn't fix it here |
13:29:56 | preglow | song context screen is broken |
13:30:01 | preglow | %s doesn't exist, haha |
13:30:05 | preglow | i'll try a good build |
13:31:21 | preglow | official builds work |
13:32:25 | preglow | well, no |
13:32:33 | preglow | that track title is not dealt with gracefully at all |
13:32:39 | preglow | it's chopped off rather nastialy |
13:32:43 | preglow | nastily too |
13:32:52 | crazy_bus | I have a e200 I need to unbrick. The thing is I live in Australia and there are two type of firmware. Europe and america. Which would be for me? |
13:32:58 | preglow | as befits the music, though |
13:36:25 | markun | crazy_bus: which firmwares are there to choose from? |
13:38:41 | crazy_bus | markun: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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13:47:06 | Bagder | crazy_bus: just pick one, you can always change again later on |
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13:47:48 | crazy_bus | so it won't brick the player if I choose wrong? |
13:47:51 | DefineByte | I would go for European. |
13:48:23 | amiconn | Bagder: It wasn't a video, just a jpeg, but attached 200 times (or was it 400? Don't remember exactly) |
13:48:42 | Bagder | I realized that, I was just seeing new potentials! |
13:48:46 | crazy_bus | but the European model doesn't include the fm radio I thought. While the australian still had it |
13:48:59 | DefineByte | well there you go then. |
13:49:03 | Bagder | well |
13:49:05 | Bagder | that's not really true |
13:49:17 | Bagder | there are euro models with and euro models without |
13:52:13 | crazy_bus | so the european firmware on that page would work on both models? |
13:53:13 | Bagder | either way, you can't brick the unit by trying them out |
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13:53:46 | crazy_bus | can I brick the player by by putting other things in the recovery partition? |
13:54:18 | Bagder | no |
13:55:04 | Bagder | the e200 models are very hard to brick |
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13:55:16 | crazy_bus | that's a relief |
13:56:35 | crazy_bus | I read that later ipod's have their firmware encrypted and that means rockbox will be very difficult to port to it. If this is so are different brands of players also encrypting? |
13:57:02 | Bagder | many players use different degrees of scrambling and encryption |
13:57:29 | Bagder | the recent ipods have just taken the level to a new extreme |
13:58:58 | crazy_bus | is that a direction only ipods are taking? Or are other players becoming less rockbox friendly (not that they helped before) |
13:59:30 | Bagder | I can't say it's a trend universally though, as the recent sansa for example are _less_ encrypted that the previous ones |
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14:00:12 | Bagder | but who knows how they work... |
14:00:44 | crazy_bus | quote: Maybe you think that you are dreaming... but it is reality :) They also want Rockbox ported to a player they have - it has a single-chip solution with an arm9 core. They will give us some players and support. |
14:00:58 | crazy_bus | is that just a chip or a full player. And did anything become of that? |
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14:01:09 | Bagder | that's a chip |
14:01:16 | Bagder | nothing came out of it (so far) |
14:01:23 | Bagder | that chips is what the new sansas use |
14:01:41 | Bagder | and some Chinese manufacturer(s) do too |
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14:01:50 | crazy_bus | so will that mean it will be easier to port to the new sansas? |
14:01:59 | Bagder | possibly, yes |
14:02:10 | Bagder | there are other factors too, but that's a pretty good start |
14:02:58 | crazy_bus | why did they do it. I would have thought that companies wouldn't buy chips for rockbox being ported to them |
14:03:24 | Bagder | why did who do what? |
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14:04:08 | crazy_bus | why did AustianMicrosystems help rockbox. I would have thought sandisk would not be more to choose them if rockbox works on their chip |
14:04:40 | Bagder | AMS just wants people to use (buy) their chips |
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14:05:30 | Bagder | time to run, bb tonight |
14:05:42 | crazy_bus | buy. Thanks for all your help |
14:05:45 | crazy_bus | *by |
14:05:47 | crazy_bus | *bye |
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14:21:44 | crazy_bus | there also seems to be a pacific version of the firmware. That seems closer to Australia but says it has asian language support. Now I'm really not sure and will have to try and get all three |
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15:38:12 | svendb | Who do I ask about getting write permission on Rockbox twiki? |
15:38:54 | GodEater | me! |
15:39:01 | GodEater | What's your wiki name ? |
15:40:02 | svendb | svendtorgersen |
15:40:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Work your magic, GodEater. :) |
15:40:30 | svendb | :) |
15:40:33 | GodEater | svendb: done |
15:40:40 | svendb | thanks |
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16:26:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Looks like our newly registered wiki friend has a new port in mind: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15239.0 |
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17:01:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyone notice that more junk mail is filtering into the mailing list? |
17:01:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-01/0287.shtml |
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18:47:54 | B4gder | rasher: it seems the build went fine, even if not very fast... |
18:48:20 | rasher | Yeah, I had make -j ... any chance the acbuild.pl on your server could have -j 1 as default, rather than that? |
18:48:36 | B4gder | sure |
18:49:06 | rasher | Saves me having to edit the vm, and it seems like a more reasonable default |
18:49:30 | rasher | The load was >50, which obviously won't work very well |
18:49:48 | B4gder | whoa |
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18:50:47 | rasher | With make -j 1 it should be "slightly" faster. |
18:52:31 | rasher | Now to find something else to commit |
18:52:58 | pixelma | hmm... could be me |
18:54:06 | rasher | B4gder: recv2 is a revision behind |
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18:54:07 | pixelma | ah, "something" - not "someone" :) |
18:54:28 | rasher | Well, by all means, go ahead |
18:54:36 | B4gder | yes, palmtopia is slightly silly atm |
18:54:43 | B4gder | it has no zip |
18:54:54 | rasher | shouldn't it only do sim builds then? |
18:55:11 | B4gder | I thought he'd fix it pretty quickly so I didn't change the builds |
18:55:24 | rasher | Ah, makes sense |
18:55:33 | B4gder | it only does sh builds |
18:55:40 | B4gder | due to being slow |
18:56:48 | B4gder | bbl |
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18:57:03 | pixelma | rasher: just wanted to test compile one more before I hit enter (shouldn't take too long anymore) |
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19:22:40 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#LCD_Screen_Sizes_BMP_Compatibili <−− Isn't this table wrong? At least h1x0 supports 2bit bitmaps |
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19:23:56 | preglow | n1s: oh? any specifics? |
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19:27:36 | rasher | pixelma: fancy creating a smaller 2-bit rockbox logo? |
19:28:14 | pixelma | rasher: that table is wrong because you can use 24-bit bmps on greyscale too, Rockbox does the dithering... |
19:28:27 | pixelma | rasher: what size? |
19:28:46 | rasher | pixelma: whichever suits you - a bit smaller than the smallest 2-bit screen (for the logo plugin) |
19:29:01 | rasher | Maybe the current logos in use in logo.rock can be "coloured" |
19:31:25 | pixelma | hmm, wouldn't want to do that today (got 2 and a half other "projects") but I can keep that in the back of my head in case no-one else has a go |
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19:33:24 | rasher | Excellent |
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19:40:35 | markun | hi toffe82 |
19:41:01 | toffe82 | Hello markun |
19:41:13 | markun | can you comment on this? http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=CA71B6C1-3048-7B00-41767A9E42D3FC1C |
19:43:35 | toffe82 | it is not a pin to pin cable, some signal are crossed |
19:44:08 | markun | ok, I thought so already |
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19:45:09 | markun | is it possible to connect a zif-40 cable to such a flat-cable? |
19:46:14 | markun | I mean, soldering will not really be an option, right? |
19:47:16 | toffe82 | there is 2 option I think : one is a brand new flat cable withe the good connection, the other one is using a connector to interface to the existing connector of the orignal flat cable and from there go to a flat cable with the good wiring |
19:48:08 | toffe82 | didn't somebody found an adapter for this ? there was something in the mail list ? |
19:48:15 | markun | yes, they did |
19:48:22 | markun | I don't fully understand your option 1 |
19:48:40 | toffe82 | build a brand new flat cable |
19:49:19 | markun | will the same cable fit in both the gigabeat mobo and the HDD? |
19:49:23 | toffe82 | but I didn't know if it is possible as some signal will be crossed on the cable, a staight one is easy to do |
19:49:54 | toffe82 | the cable fit on the hd of the s30 |
19:50:44 | markun | The X is also ZIF-40, right? |
19:50:54 | toffe82 | yes |
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19:52:05 | toffe82 | the problem is that when they design the F I think they didn't have the caracteristics of the zif connector so it is not standard |
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19:58:28 | JoeZ99 | hi everybody. |
19:58:32 | JoeZ99 | just a quick - very quick question |
19:58:51 | JoeZ99 | anyone heard of the Toshiba Gigabyte U series ???? |
19:59:32 | JoeZ99 | can't find rockbox for it, and I'm afraid there's no other gigabyte alike , so I can not "borrow" the port from it. |
19:59:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | JoeZ99: We know of the GigaBEAT U series. But it's not supported by Rockbox. |
19:59:49 | JoeZ99 | I see. Well, txs anyway. |
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20:00:08 | JoeZ99 | It looks like something is wrong with these ultra-light-flash-based things |
20:00:33 | JoeZ99 | because even tle ipod shuffle has issues and it's not very linux-friendly. |
20:01:03 | JoeZ99 | LambdaCalculus37: thanks for the advice. |
20:01:34 | Horscht | that's because those companies don't care about Linux users |
20:01:48 | Horscht | cause Linux users are generealy against DRM |
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20:04:15 | amiconn | rasher: Btw, there is no such thing as a 2-bit BMP. BMP only supports the following bit depths: 1, 4, 8, 15/16, 24, 32 |
20:05:28 | amiconn | The rockbox bmp loader supports all of these, the only requirement for 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit BMPs is that they must use the canonical bit assignment for the respective depth |
20:05:52 | amiconn | (1, 4 and 8 bit BMPs use a palette) |
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20:06:55 | rasher | Yeah well, I was after display depth, really |
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20:09:07 | amiconn | Hmm. That table doesn't list the display depths though |
20:10:32 | rasher | Yeah, I couldn't find a list of display depths, actually, other than DeviceChart which isn't terribly convenient |
20:11:00 | amiconn | And the statement 'no remote' for the ipods is also wrong (at least the mini G2 definitely supports a remote - but not yet in rockbox) |
20:11:10 | amiconn | I actually *have* that remote.... |
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20:11:32 | rasher | Don't those use the accessory protocol? |
20:13:16 | amiconn | They do |
20:13:33 | amiconn | That protocol is not the big problem though. The PP serial interface is.... |
20:13:56 | rasher | Yeah, I should've said "accessory interface", rather |
20:17:34 | amiconn | I should also have a 1st/2nd Gen ipod remote laying around somewhere... |
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20:18:14 | rasher | I'm sure cracking the serial interface mystery will win you loads of friends |
20:18:14 | amiconn | ipl has a serial port driver for PP5002 |
20:19:37 | lostlogic | would make me your friend |
20:20:00 | lostlogic | want to be able to remote control my ipod when it's by my receiver |
20:20:02 | rasher | I'd have to compile and test every sim to see if my logo.rock changes work.. Maybe it's faster for everyone if I just use the build system for it |
20:20:44 | amiconn | Well, if only I would be more interested in remotes.... |
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20:21:25 | amiconn | Afaik LinusN did a lot of disassembling work on the G5 firmware in order to crack the serial i/f - still no luck |
20:22:20 | scorche|w | lostlogic: didnt we just have a short chat about this? ;) |
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20:22:56 | lostlogic | scorche|w: yeah, and I'm too stupid to crack the protocol myself ;) |
20:23:47 | scorche|w | well, serial |
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20:29:13 | webguest73 | Hi |
20:29:18 | amiconn | Too bad that there seems to be no diag code for the remote ... |
20:29:44 | rasher | amiconn: meaning you have to RE the main retailos image? |
20:30:28 | webguest73 | I've got a mp4-player did it give for mp4's hacks? |
20:30:50 | amiconn | Probably, although iirc there is some serial console code in the rom |
20:31:20 | scorche|w | webguest73: sorry, but you arent making much sense...if you are asking if rockbox supports a device called "mp4-player", it doesnt |
20:32:12 | webguest73 | it give no codes for mp4-players? |
20:32:23 | rasher | webguest73: No. |
20:33:22 | webguest73 | really, for ipod's (e.g. ipod video) you can download something for rockbox? |
20:33:29 | rasher | Yes. |
20:34:12 | webguest73 | But for normal mp4-player not???? |
20:34:28 | scorche|w | webguest73: is the device called "mp4-player"? |
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20:35:33 | JdGordon|w | amiconn: FS #8457 needs testing on a real player... |
20:35:42 | webguest73 | yes it's called mp4 Digitalplayer |
20:36:00 | scorche|w | then it is not supported...all the targets that rockbox supports are listed on the front page |
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20:37:14 | webguest73 | can you say me if it gives other pages were i can watch at??? |
20:37:29 | Horscht | probably not |
20:38:22 | webguest73 | pity, but thank you!!! |
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20:40:35 | webguest73 | one question i have still, give it workshops were i can learn it |
20:41:41 | Horscht | learn what? |
20:42:22 | webguest73 | to make something like rockbox |
20:42:30 | rasher | I seem to have forgotten something |
20:44:42 | webguest73 | Horscht exist so something in the web or at books??? |
20:45:07 | Horscht | there are lots of books about coding, yes |
20:45:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's plenty of information online about coding as well. |
20:45:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Google is your best friend. |
20:46:38 | webguest73 | i've watched at google but i didn't found anything? At what words should i search?? |
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20:47:28 | Horscht | "learning code" i'd say |
20:47:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or just start from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29 |
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21:11:14 | pixelma | hmm... the spammer in the ml got through another time |
21:15:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, I saw that too! |
21:16:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Where the hell is it coming from? |
21:18:27 | scorche|w | is Bagder at it again? |
21:19:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shrugs |
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21:33:22 | Daniel_S | JdGordon: how can I define the list position, width... in your latest patch? My .vp file doesn't work anymore |
21:34:14 | PaulJam | rasher: did you notice the warning on H300 and M5 in logo.c? |
21:35:38 | rasher | PaulJam: I did not. Hard to keep track of it with all these false warnings |
21:36:41 | * | rasher sighs |
21:37:00 | rasher | I don't know what that warning means, or why it appears on those two targets only |
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21:37:44 | pixelma | 64-bit build server? |
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21:39:30 | rasher | Could be the combination of 16-bit display and 1-bit remote, but I don't know how, or what to do about it |
21:39:35 | amiconn | rasher: Actually dead easy to spot. Check logo.c line 35: |
21:39:37 | amiconn | extern const fb_data remote_rockboxlogo[]; |
21:39:46 | amiconn | That *must* be fb_remote_data |
21:40:03 | * | rasher boggles |
21:40:12 | rasher | Why no problem for h1x0 then? |
21:40:21 | amiconn | And I really don't understand why plugin authors don't use the generated .h files for the bitmaps - it's soooo much easier.... |
21:40:44 | amiconn | Because for H1x0, fb_remote_data and fb_data are both unsigned chars |
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21:40:53 | amiconn | Same for X5 - both are unsigned shorts |
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21:41:07 | rasher | M5, you mean? |
21:41:15 | amiconn | But on M5, main -> char, remote -> short. Other way round on H300 |
21:41:28 | amiconn | No, the X5 does *not* have the warning |
21:41:31 | rasher | amiconn: Generated .h files? |
21:41:42 | amiconn | The warning appears if fb_remote_data != fb_data |
21:41:58 | amiconn | And that precisely applies to the M5 and the H300 - no others |
21:42:20 | pondlife | rasher: Do you have a VMWare build server? Or did I misunderstand? |
21:42:59 | amiconn | rasher: Check e.g. what pixelma did in her latest sliding_puzzle commit, or how solitaire handles it... |
21:43:06 | rasher | pondlife: I do - it's the one running (somewhat poorly, but my hw isn't exactly cutting edge) as rasher.dyndns.org |
21:43:19 | pondlife | Using which VMWare image? |
21:43:38 | rasher | pondlife: My own minimal one - I should find somewhere to upload it.. |
21:43:47 | rasher | amiconn: Guess I've been looking at the wrong plugins for examples |
21:43:47 | * | pondlife was hinting as much |
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21:43:55 | amiconn | And take a look at <build-dir>/bitmaps and <build-dir>/pluginbitmaps... |
21:44:21 | pondlife | For some reason, the VMs that GodEater has spent hours creating for me fail to have an ethernet adapter. |
21:44:46 | amiconn | That'll save you a ton of #defines, and the need to decalre the bitmaps explicitly |
21:44:48 | pondlife | But the original one from the wiki works. |
21:44:52 | amiconn | *declare |
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21:45:39 | rasher | Bagder: Guess you should remove my build server again, it's not terribly helpful, and I won't be running it on a regular basis |
21:47:20 | amiconn | It'll also auto-protect you from size mismatches |
21:47:59 | rasher | I actually looked for something like that, but failed to notice the .h files and only looked in the generated .c |
21:48:50 | pixelma | this help to get rid of a ton of per display defines of *_WIDTH etc. in brickmania for example |
21:48:55 | pixelma | *helped |
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21:54:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good night, everyone! |
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21:56:58 | advlaptop2019 | is seeking on the broken on the e200 with the latest build |
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22:13:51 | BenniBoya | just a question, what platform was rockbox originaly made for? |
22:14:20 | DefineByte | Archos, I assume. |
22:14:30 | Domonoky | archos players.. |
22:14:31 | DefineByte | you mean the model? |
22:16:14 | BenniBoya | no i was just curious qhat brand |
22:21:34 | Domonoky | the brand of the players doesnt really matter for rockbox, it depends more on whats inside a player.. :-) |
22:21:39 | amiconn | rasher: Unless I overlooked something, the version that didn't use the .h file wouldn't have worked properly on several targets |
22:22:07 | rasher | amiconn: Gah, what did I do now? And did using the .h file fix it? |
22:22:10 | amiconn | (there wereless different logo size definitions in logo.c than actual bitmaps) |
22:22:23 | amiconn | It should |
22:22:29 | amiconn | I'm about to check |
22:23:36 | rasher | And I even drew up handy ascii diagrams to make sure I got it right. Might as well just revoke my commit rights now |
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22:24:24 | amiconn | #if LCD_DEPTH == 16 / #define LOGO_WIDTH 128 / #define LOGO_HEIGHT 40 (old code) |
22:24:40 | amiconn | But the H10 logo is smaller... the .h file usage fixes that problem |
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22:24:48 | rasher | Wonderful |
22:24:48 | amiconn | Small H10 I mean |
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22:28:19 | BenniBoya | do you know how your ment to put this - "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" In the /etc/profiles file, are you ment to changed PATH to where your rockbox folder is? |
22:29:13 | rasher | No, you're meant to put exactly what it says |
22:30:21 | BenniBoya | i end up having to type that into terminal while im in my build folder, 4get t, il love |
22:30:24 | BenniBoya | live |
22:35:56 | BenniBoya | hey is LinusN here? |
22:37:57 | scorche|w | is there something specific you needed him for? |
22:39:02 | Bagder | he's here in spirit! ;-) |
22:39:04 | BenniBoya | he was helping em earlier |
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22:39:14 | BenniBoya | lol |
22:39:47 | markun | I made a small patch to give a least some feedback when the WPS failed to load: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wps-warning.patch |
22:39:51 | markun | is it ok to commit? |
22:40:06 | BenniBoya | commit? |
22:40:34 | markun | BenniBoya: commit == add to rockbox. But the question was not for you :) |
22:40:49 | BenniBoya | i know, i just wanted to know what it ment |
22:40:55 | markun | ah, ok |
22:41:00 | Bagder | markun: perhaps the reason shouldn't be "failed to load" |
22:41:14 | Bagder | at least not if it happened due to syntax error(s) |
22:41:35 | fraseyboy | Hi, I have a Toshiba Gigabeat F20 with rockbox installed and I'm trying to get the EscapePodGB-AA theme working but it doesn't seem to work. There's no images or anything.... Like when i go into a song and goes into the playing screen there's like no theme... |
22:41:56 | fraseyboy | It says that it needs 'AlbumArt, BMP Resize, & Scrolling Margin Text patches' applied. Maybe thats why? |
22:42:02 | markun | fraseyboy: probably the WPS doesn't load because the syntax changes now and then |
22:42:28 | markun | or maybe because you don't have those patches yes |
22:42:28 | fraseyboy | oh |
22:42:29 | fraseyboy | how can i get those patches? |
22:42:30 | scorche|w | fraseyboy: that is exactly why.. |
22:42:50 | fraseyboy | how can i get an install the required patches? |
22:43:10 | markun | Bagder: _wps_data_load could return an integer so we can print what exactly went wrong |
22:43:53 | BenniBoya | hey in the bootloader, does this line ned to be changed at all? |
22:43:54 | BenniBoya | rc=load_firmware(loadbuffer, BOOTFILE, MAX_LOADSIZE); |
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22:44:17 | petur | markun: for authors it might be better to also give at least the line number? |
22:44:19 | scorche|w | fraseyboy: well, there is a link on the side of the page that says "patches" and there are guides on how to patch in the wiki |
22:44:27 | fraseyboy | oh ok il try that |
22:44:32 | fraseyboy | thanks |
22:44:52 | markun | petur: yes, could be useful |
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22:47:15 | bird603568 | ok maybe im misunderstanding some posts in the forums |
22:47:52 | bird603568 | but from what i understand to flash the e280v2 all i do is put the e200.pa.bin in the root of it |
22:47:55 | bird603568 | but that doesnt work |
22:48:10 | bird603568 | when i unplug it it just says refreshing database |
22:48:12 | krazykit | bird603568, the e280v2 isn't a supported target. what are you trying to do? |
22:48:27 | bird603568 | really? |
22:48:41 | scorche|w | the list of supported targets are on the front page.. |
22:49:04 | krazykit | bird603568, you can determine if it's v2 by viewing the firmware version. v2 have 03.x.x firmware versions. |
22:49:08 | bird603568 | then whats all this v2 crap im seeing on the forums? |
22:49:21 | bird603568 | its a v2 im not retarded |
22:49:25 | krazykit | bird603568, they're working on porting it. you're reading the New Ports forum |
22:49:28 | markun | petur: I guess in print_debug_info could be reused for that, do we still need to print it to the console if we show a splash? |
22:49:36 | rasher | Bagder: if you haven't removed my buildserver already, just leave it - I'm setting up a client on the same machine - except in native Linux this time |
22:49:36 | bird603568 | i know im reading them too |
22:49:58 | Bagder | ok |
22:50:21 | bird603568 | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
22:50:30 | bird603568 | To upgrade to a custom firmware image, at least on the e200v2 players you simply put the firmware image (named e200pa.bin) in the root directory and then unplug USB. |
22:50:33 | bird603568 | doesnt work |
22:50:39 | bird603568 | just sits there afterwards |
22:50:41 | petur | markun: don't know what print_debug_info shows. |
22:50:42 | rasher | Should be more useful (although it's still not the fastest machine in the world) |
22:50:55 | scorche|w | bird603568: rockbox doesnt work on those devices yet.. |
22:51:05 | bird603568 | then why does it say so? |
22:51:13 | scorche|w | where dioes it say that? |
22:51:16 | scorche|w | does |
22:51:19 | JdGordon|w | it specifiically says it DOESNT! |
22:51:23 | rasher | bird603568: It doesn't. |
22:51:30 | JdGordon|w | SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) |
22:51:31 | bird603568 | "at least on the e200v2 players" |
22:51:36 | JdGordon|w | from the rockbox frontpage |
22:51:38 | bird603568 | see the v2 |
22:51:48 | scorche|w | that is information for forming a new port.. |
22:52:02 | scorche|w | i see nowhere saying that rockbox works on the v2 |
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22:52:11 | bird603568 | thanks because it doesnt |
22:52:15 | * | scorche|w winces at his own grammar |
22:52:17 | bird603568 | this is some guys version |
22:52:17 | JdGordon|w | haha omg.... ok.... the v2 isnt a differnt model.... its the e200v2 and the c2−−v2 |
22:52:22 | advlaptop2019 | bird603568, <JdGordon|w> SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series (not the v2 models) from the rockbox frontpage |
22:52:31 | Bagder | bird603568: it's not "some guys" version |
22:52:40 | Bagder | it's my page documenting v2 details |
22:52:45 | bird603568 | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html <−− it says version 2 at the top |
22:53:02 | markun | Bagder == daniel |
22:53:05 | scorche|w | bird603568: the owner of that page is telling you what that page is... |
22:53:05 | BenniBoya | hey can someone here build me a certain bootloader |
22:53:06 | bird603568 | ahh |
22:53:16 | BenniBoya | just the ipod one with a little modification |
22:53:16 | bird603568 | Bagder: thanks a whole lot on working on this |
22:53:31 | bird603568 | i really appreciate it |
22:53:35 | bird603568 | its a nice player |
22:53:38 | markun | Bagder: allright, because you asked so nicely |
22:54:20 | markun | that was for BenniBoya |
22:54:20 | bird603568 | so its just some page for docs even tho it says to upgrade to a custom image do this? |
22:54:26 | bird603568 | so i should just ignore it and wait? |
22:54:45 | markun | bird603568: if you can help out that would be even better than waiting of course |
22:54:45 | Bagder | bird603568: again: "it's my page documenting v2 details" |
22:54:53 | Bagder | feel free to help us improve it |
22:55:01 | scorche|w | bird603568: it isnt saying to do that...it is saying *how* it can be done |
22:55:26 | bird603568 | well im just saying the name it to e200pa.bin doesnt work on mine |
22:55:29 | scorche|w | the "custom image" still has to be made |
22:55:30 | markun | BenniBoya: so, which change? |
22:55:55 | BenniBoya | i wanted to change it so rockbox boots with the hold switch on and ipod without |
22:56:04 | BenniBoya | ive been trying for ages and it doesnt seem to work |
22:56:07 | markun | and "the ipod one" == ipod nano? |
22:56:13 | BenniBoya | yes |
22:56:27 | markun | ok, give me a second |
22:56:31 | BenniBoya | ty |
22:56:33 | bird603568 | Bagder: i take that back .14 doesnt work on the sansa |
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22:56:35 | markun | or a few minutes :) |
22:56:36 | bird603568 | .11 does |
22:56:51 | scorche|w | bird603568: and what would you be naming to e200pa.bin? |
22:56:52 | bird603568 | i just got a e280 today and just updated the firmware |
22:56:56 | BenniBoya | the part that boots the firmwires is at the end of ipod.c I think |
22:56:57 | bird603568 | hopefully it will help |
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22:58:14 | markun | BenniBoya: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/bootloader-ipodnano.ipod |
22:58:44 | BenniBoya | thanks |
22:58:53 | markun | have fun with it |
22:58:53 | BenniBoya | and install it with ipod patcher? |
22:59:07 | markun | I have no idea how to install ipod bootloaders |
22:59:14 | BenniBoya | ok ill give it a try |
22:59:17 | BenniBoya | i think i know how |
22:59:18 | markun | scorche|w: do you know? |
22:59:21 | markun | ok |
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23:00:46 | scorche|w | boss just walked in...cant chat... |
23:00:55 | krazykit | BenniBoya, i think there's a command line switch for ipodpatcher. |
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23:02:04 | BenniBoya | hey markun thanks, thers only one problem |
23:02:13 | BenniBoya | the backlight isnt as...light as normal |
23:02:25 | BenniBoya | oh sorry |
23:02:25 | BenniBoya | ooops |
23:02:25 | markun | BenniBoya: I didn't change it |
23:02:28 | BenniBoya | it is |
23:02:31 | BenniBoya | thanks |
23:02:34 | markun | np |
23:02:47 | markun | now go play your games :) |
23:02:53 | BenniBoya | could you send me the ipod.c so I can see what ive been doing wrong? |
23:02:59 | markun | sure |
23:03:14 | markun | Maybe a patch is more clear? |
23:03:21 | BenniBoya | umm yea |
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23:03:24 | markun | or will you compare them in 2 editors? |
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23:03:41 | BenniBoya | ill look at the patch |
23:03:56 | BenniBoya | i like ur speakers |
23:04:03 | markun | the patch looks a bit funny :) |
23:04:13 | markun | BenniBoya: I still haven't finished them unfortunately |
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23:04:24 | BenniBoya | they look good |
23:04:27 | markun | they have been in the 'almost finished' stage for a long time |
23:04:29 | markun | thanks |
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23:04:40 | markun | my amp is still in the cartboard box ;) |
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23:04:58 | BenniBoya | yea i can see that |
23:05:07 | markun | but it's getting off-topic |
23:05:38 | markun | BenniBoya: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/ipod-boot-swap.patch |
23:05:58 | BenniBoya | yea |
23:06:18 | markun | I changed less code than it seems from the patch |
23:06:53 | markun | just swapped the code after "if (button_was_held || (btn==BUTTON_MENU)) {" with the code after "} else {" |
23:07:04 | BenniBoya | i had tried that, didnt seem to work lol |
23:07:13 | BenniBoya | and if i loaded linux on here that would still work? |
23:07:20 | markun | sure |
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23:07:39 | BenniBoya | one last question,how dp I aply patches? |
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23:08:10 | scorche|w | the instructions are in multiple places on the wiki.. |
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23:08:27 | BenniBoya | ok thanks |
23:08:32 | BenniBoya | tyvm markun |
23:08:41 | markun | BenniBoya: there links are useful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
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23:10:01 | markun | s/there/these/ |
23:10:39 | BenniBoya | this page is AWSOME! |
23:10:41 | BenniBoya | thanks |
23:11:08 | JdGordon|w | ... wouldnt go that far.... its edumacational |
23:12:10 | BenniBoya | lol |
23:12:13 | * | markun looks up edumacation |
23:12:51 | DefineByte | it's in the urban dictionary so it must be a word |
23:12:55 | BenniBoya | hey, is guesstimation a word? |
23:12:56 | JdGordon|w | we dont need no... edumacation.... we dont need no umm... |
23:13:08 | * | JdGordon|w really should be getting back to work |
23:13:22 | * | BenniBoya sings "another brock in the wall" |
23:13:46 | JdGordon|w | hahaha |
23:14:03 | JdGordon|w | cept it was a tree :p |
23:14:27 | BenniBoya | i dont have no, thought controle |
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23:18:34 | Bagder | "Although Rockbox sucks for a lot of reasons, its ability to play FLACs, an honest-to-God equalizer, and my music actually sounding good are just things that I don't want to do without. " |
23:18:41 | Bagder | => http://blorch.livejournal.com/79273.html |
23:18:59 | markun | sounds golden to me ;) |
23:20:38 | BenniBoya | haha this is kinda funny |
23:20:39 | krazykit | of course, it doesn't SAY why it sucks, now does it? |
23:20:39 | BenniBoya | If you use the wrong device, you might accidentally write to your computer's hard drive! This actually happened to someone. |
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23:22:05 | Llorean | What install method lets you do that? |
23:22:12 | pixelma | markun: but how can one understand it if it's on the same page, maybe even below or most famous golden quote? |
23:22:33 | pixelma | *our |
23:23:31 | markun | pixelma: the BoS one? What about it? |
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23:25:22 | pixelma | markun: I just thought that "my music actually sounding good" from the blog is quite the opposite... |
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23:26:35 | markun | pixelma: well, I still think it's a funny remark, even if it doesn't represent the rest of the post |
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23:29:18 | BenniBoya | hey did some1 just add that quote to the wiki? |
23:30:17 | scorche|w | BenniBoya: please use real english in here.. (no some1, 4get, etc) |
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23:31:59 | markun | Took me a while before I understood what "ne1" was. First I thought it was a strange was of saying "no one". |
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23:32:47 | BenniBoya | oh sorry |
23:32:50 | BenniBoya | lol |
23:33:02 | DefineByte | 'laughing out loud' |
23:33:11 | BenniBoya | aww cant I say lol? |
23:33:17 | DefineByte | x) |
23:33:35 | BenniBoya | DONT TAKE MY LOL AWAY!!!! |
23:34:08 | markun | BenniBoya: as long as you are really laughing while you type it I don't mind :) |
23:34:32 | scorche|w | BenniBoya: caps too... |
23:34:36 | BenniBoya | sol |
23:34:39 | BenniBoya | smirking out loud |
23:35:11 | markun | BenniBoya: if you really want to piss off scorche|w: all the hints are in here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
23:35:11 | BenniBoya | i guess i cant say rofl either, I cant be rolling on ground laughing if im writing the message |
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23:36:53 | BenniBoya | i gota go |
23:36:56 | BenniBoya | thanks for all the help |
23:37:25 | BenniBoya | cya] |
23:37:31 | BenniBoya | lol |
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23:38:05 | * | scorche|w puts down the sidearm |
23:39:05 | toffe82_ | is this a good one for rockbox http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=E260V |
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23:39:24 | toffe82_ | or this one : http://www.consumerdepot.com/products.asp?id=E250RB |
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23:42:34 | Bagder | toffe82_: it's really hard to tell |
23:42:37 | markun | toffe82_: I don't think you can tell if it's a v1 or v2 |
23:43:07 | toffe82_ | I can make an offer at 20$ :) |
23:43:45 | JdGordon|w | toffe82_: I got a 2gb e200 which i dont need anymore if your looking for one... no fm though |
23:44:02 | JdGordon|w | and the screen has a small crack in the protetive cover |
23:44:24 | markun | toffe82_: you can also help out with the v2 port :) |
23:44:27 | toffe82_ | JdGordon : thanks, I am just looking, I didn't really need one but if I find a good deal |
23:44:38 | toffe82_ | what is the problem with the v2 ? |
23:44:46 | markun | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html |
23:44:48 | toffe82_ | I didn't follow so much on the sansa |
23:45:03 | Bagder | the v2s are entirely new beasts |
23:47:21 | toffe82_ | what cpu do they use ? |
23:47:30 | Bagder | AS3525, ARM9 core |
23:48:01 | toffe82_ | sorry, I missed the line :) |
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23:56:55 | pizza | how can I get game boy color roms to work? I made a folder in my rockbox folder and put the ROM in there but I do not know how to start it |
23:57:20 | krazykit | pizza, you read the manual which explains everything you need to know. |
23:57:20 | scorche|w | pizza: the manual tells you how |
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