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#rockbox log for 2008-02-03

00:00:05BigBambiI see a badger
00:00:12BigBambiIt looks angry
00:00:14*BigBambi hides
00:00:27*scorche gets the tranq gun normally used for rasher out
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00:04:25broomHas the recent commit by jhMikeS resolved the issue with disk spinning?
00:04:30IzzehOWow... all that... because the case game was out of sync :o -sigh-
00:04:49IzzehO*Reapplies all 17 patches*
00:04:58broomI can't check since I don't own a DAP with two processors/cores.
00:05:36broomjhMikeS: ah, you here! Was it the ultimate solution? Or just a try?
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00:06:51rasherBagder: build server hanging?
00:06:57rashers/server/system/
00:07:15rasherAh, stupid me. Last two commits were in rbutil..
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00:07:26Bagderhehe
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00:20:31IzzehOAnyone here could possibly resync the dict2 plugin?
00:22:00IzzehOOtherwise, thanks I've got it compiled and it's running fine! ciao...
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00:40:28soapbuschel (logs?) sure. I can make a bench for you. Sorry I haven't yet.
00:42:55rasherBagder: no biggie with the latest request - he only sort of wanted it
00:43:18saratogasoap: do you know what the story is with the battery life decrease in SVN?
00:43:23saratogai saw a mention of it but thats it
00:43:51soapDisk thrashing I've heard - I've been out of the loop the last few days - real busy with work work,
00:44:02saratogaah ok
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01:34:15pocketninjahey bagder im back
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01:35:47pocketninjahey what knowledge would i need to know to port rockbox to the samsung yp-p2 with a team
01:36:53scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort is a good guide for things you will (probably) have to know
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01:41:46pocketninjathank you
01:41:59pocketninjadoes anyone here have a samsung yp-p2?
01:48:43countrymonkeynot me
01:52:12scorchecountrymonkey: you dont have to tell us everything you dont have...
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02:07:48countrymonkeyMoos: I have an idea. You mentioned a few weeks or months back that you did a french rework. You mentioned it to me when I was doing the norsk voice patch. What fs# is it? I'm thinking why we don't turn that into beljim french and use yours as france french.
02:13:34pocketninjayea i only wanted to know who DID have it lol
02:13:55pocketninjai am wondering this because i am trying to put together a team to port rockbox for it
02:14:34krazykithave you tried to find a samsung DAP forum?
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04:40:35webguest13Hello
04:42:55webguest13I'm having troubles with rockbox on my ipod photo 30g, Can anybody help?
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05:05:40countrymonkeyJust popped in to help any rbers who ask questions.
05:07:15rashercountrymonkey: you don't have to announce your intentions to the world. It's just noise, really.
05:09:02countrymonkeyI have found that if I am silent, someone inevitably asks "Do you have a question?".
05:09:34scorchethat is only after you say "hi" or something like that
05:11:32countrymonkeySpeaking of questions, How large is the font cache? I'm looking for a chinese-trad font that stays under the limit. Unifont is just too big.
05:12:08countrymonkeywithout requiring xtra disk spinups which wastes already precious battery power
05:12:27scorcheso was that a "Yes, i do have a question"? ;)
05:12:46countrymonkeyone just popped in my head.
05:13:02rashercountrymonkey: how much smaller than unicode can you go? I'd say a larger font cache would be the smarter way out
05:13:49countrymonkey,I'm looking for chinese-trad only. No arabic, russian, hebrew, and basicly other charsets I don't need. I just need a max limit for things I find on the internet.
05:14:55rasherThose won't be in the cache unless you use them
05:15:07rasherThat's rather the point of using a cache
05:16:39countrymonkeyWell, I want a chinese-trad font smaller than the cache so the whole font fits. Currently, it reads the glyffs it needs for the settings it is showing at that particular point in time. Then when it needs new glyffs the disk goes spinning back up again. How about a system in which the whole font fits?
05:16:52countrymonkeywhich is why I'm asking
05:17:10rashercountrymonkey: how much smaller than unicode can you go? I'd say a larger font cache would be the smarter way out
05:19:01countrymonkeyIn that case, where in the code is the place where the font buffir is defined? I will patch a build and build it myself.
05:19:28rasherNo idea. I suggest employing grep
05:22:18countrymonkeyThe short description doesn't explain it clear enough for me to be able to understand. If I understood correctly, I need to know what the define is called and I don't.
05:23:19rasherNeither do I. Make educated guesses and grep for that ("FONTCACHE" "FONT_CACHE", etc)
05:23:46rasherOr wait for someone who knows, or does the work for you
05:24:05countrymonkeyI thought you would know.
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05:29:46countrymonkeyI'll wait.
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06:05:53DaCapnis there any information about rockbox on the very latest ipod releases?
06:06:09scorchewhat sort?
06:07:18DaCapnwell, undefined since it is regarding a future purchase
06:07:45scorcheeh?...i am asking what sort of information are you looking for
06:07:52DaCapnoh heh, sorry
06:08:19DaCapnI thought you meant what sort of ipod... just if there should be any expected difference in support
06:08:44DaCapnI have no idea how much the hardware has changed between these "ipod classic" versions or whatever they're called or if all changes are just superficial.
06:08:50scorchei still am not sure what you are asking...the newer ipods are completely unsupported...rockbox doesnt run
06:09:00scorchehardware has changed drastically
06:09:10scorcheand hardware support is far from the only issue
06:09:35DaCapnhow's that?
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06:10:11scorchehttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/
06:10:16DaCapnthanks
06:10:44DaCapnhaha, the first sentence is great... "Let me be perfectly clear on this:"
06:12:50scorcheunfortunately, the entire firmware image is encrypted...this makes things a little tough to reverse engineer
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06:13:19scorcheas well, without the knowledge of how it is encrypted, we cant run our own code
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06:15:10DaCapnright
06:15:44DaCapnThat's really lame, when you think about it, how much do they lose because of things like rockbox?
06:16:43hcscontrol
06:17:19scorcheim sure sandisk has gotten a bunch of RMAs from people that thought their players were bricked as well
06:17:52DaCapnheh... I guess there's that
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07:43:18simonrvnit's mostly about control, since to them it equates to profit, and they're only motivation is just that... you can put the rest of the equation together ;).
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09:16:46crazy_busI saw a custom build on a forum and it had a great number of patches applied to it. Some of those patches dated back nearly 2 years and I was wondering how long patches usual sit in the tracker before being applied to svn. Or if they haven't being applied because they aren't well written?
09:21:00scorchethere is no set time after which, they go into svn...they go into svn when they are suitable and ready
09:21:32linuxstb_Patches require a developer with SVN access to take responsibility for them, review them, and commit - so if no developer is interested in the feature, the patch will rot...
09:22:59amiconnSome patches will never be applied, e.g. if the feature is not wanted in svn
09:23:18JdGordonhey linuxstb_, I tihnk we really need an easy way to get the colour settings from the current viewport into a new vp.. any ideas how best to do it?
09:23:59linuxstb_amiconn: Shouldn't those be rejected though? (if someone gets round to rejecting it...)
09:24:04amiconnSome are even meant to be applied by individuals only, e.g. patches supporting special hardware mods, or workarounds for partially broken devices
09:25:03amiconnlinuxstb: The unwanted features should be, yes.
09:25:51scorchelinuxstb_: someone mentioned to me the other day that they "stole libdemac for use in audacious" ;)
09:26:12linuxstb_scorche: Yes, I heard about that.
09:26:41scorcheapparently it is spreading
09:29:42amiconnNow if the range decoder could be made more efficient... hint hint ;)
09:29:54linuxstb_JdGordon: Copying the parent viewport, then changing the other fields isn't good enough?
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09:31:13JdGordonpassing around a parent isnt always nice
09:31:21JdGordonmight have to do it though
09:31:28*JdGordon fiddling with the quickscreens atm
09:41:24crazy_busI had a 1 hour mp3 file and it had trouble resuming on my sansa e200. Sometimes it would resume from the book mark. Sometimes it wouldn't play at all and sometimes just go back to the beginning. But it you then tried the same bookmark a few times it would eventually work. Is this a normal occurace?
09:41:48crazy_busalso thanks scorche and linuxstb for the patch answers
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09:46:41linuxstb_amiconn: BTW, I read your comments about ipod_fw/ipodpatcher in the logs from a couple of days ago. Just to clarify, ipodpatcher was written from scratch (not using ipod_fw) as a replacement for it. I did initially try to add 2048 byte sector support to ipod_fw, but gave up and wrote ipodpatcher instead.
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09:51:43amiconnOK, so one part of my statement was incorrect. However, the point that ipod_fw is outdated and has bugs which won't be fixed still holds...
09:52:03linuxstb_Sure ;)
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09:53:36amiconnSomehow I think that you wrote ipodpatcher before 2048-byte sector account became necessary though??
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10:01:48linuxstb_I don't think so - checking the SVN logs, the first versions of ipodpatcher (the win32-only version that was used to "dd" images for manipulation by ipod_fw) had support for 2048 byte sectors, which was before I started adding the ipod_fw functionality (in Dec 2006). IIRC, the G5.5 was released in Sept 2006.
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12:32:04stripwaxSomething about a hdd regression in svn revision 16104 according to FS #8379 comments - that coincides with jhMikeS's changes to ata.c - is there a forum post / any more info?
12:36:08LearIt's not a mixup then, so that they're referring to the issues in 16105 (which seem to be fixed now)? Haven't used 16104+ much on a HDD target though...
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12:39:24stripwaxCould be. The flyspray says 16104+ has the problem. Where is it fixed?
12:40:01stripwaxBuschel_ - I'm trying a 5g 60GB build using 16103 plus pcf-test-03 , will report when I have results
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13:02:49LearThe problem introduced in 16105 was likely fixed by 16197.
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13:10:21pixelmabut not the weird resume problem (at least it's still there on my c200)
13:11:12pixelmawas able to test on an H10 just now and it didn't show up
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13:12:25stripwax"_may_" help 5.5g buffering problems - hmm. well, that would be worth testing. what's the "weird resume problem" ?
13:14:58pixelmaresume doesn't resume from a mid track position for me, it resumes from the start of the next track most of the times or start of the current track
13:17:51stripwaxhm, was that problem introduced in 16105?
13:17:57stripwaxseems unrelated
13:19:02stripwaxDidn't Nico_P have a patch to fix that (or something like it) ?
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13:23:41pixelmawell, in my tests last week, this problem didn't occur with a few revisions I tried (starting with r16018) and I saw it first in 16105, went back to 16104 and it was ok again...
13:23:50stripwaxodd
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13:36:19Buschelstripwax: you should better do a battery bench with svn >= 16197 to check whether the worsened battery runtime was fixed with jhMikeS' change. I did a bench with my 30GB −− no positive effect, but it also didn't seem to suffer from runtime degradation
13:46:49LearResume works for me. However, when testing, the first resume I tried after installing the new build failed, but only that one time.
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15:41:37magenpiei'm trying to figure out if there's a 'sleep mode' for the c250
15:44:25n1snot in rockbox
15:44:40n1sif you mean like a stanby thingy
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17:06:15zylche/Did not understand The Elephant Dream at all.
17:08:26devurandomIt's just a kind of techdemo, afaik.
17:08:56devurandomRockBox doesn't include a single header file? Or am I just blind...?
17:09:06rasherdevurandom: Hm?
17:09:13ComradeHazhi all - is 'noise' a known issue with RockBox? Particularly on the iRiver H140?
17:09:37ComradeHazThere's always a fair bit of static and even more when scrolling
17:09:37rasherdevurandom: Perhaps firmware/export and firmware/include is what you're looking for?
17:09:46devurandomrasher: Browsing the sources right now and my usual technique of reading headers+docs first doesn't seem to work, since there are nmo headers...
17:09:54devurandomAh, thereok.
17:10:06*devurandom needs to improve his typing...
17:10:13rasherdevurandom: and then there are .h files in apps/
17:10:21rasherDepending on what you're looking at
17:10:29rasherComradeHaz: are you using the remote?
17:10:35ComradeHazsure
17:10:38devurandomWhere should I start looking at, when I want to find out "how this works"?
17:10:55rasherComradeHaz: try turning on "reduce ticking" under the remote display settings
17:10:58ComradeHazshould I try without?
17:10:59devurandomI.e. how you startup at all, is what I am currently interested in... Does a Kernel have main()?
17:11:07ComradeHazthink I have
17:11:09ComradeHazlemme check
17:11:27rasherComradeHaz: the h1x0 has a hardware problem related to the remote which emits some noise, particularly on display updates
17:11:34rasherdevurandom: There's a wiki page about the kernel
17:11:53rasherdevurandom: It's not something I know much, if anything about
17:12:24devurandomRockBox is not at all affiliated with Linux, right?
17:12:29rasherdevurandom: Correct
17:12:37rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel
17:13:17rasherI don't know where to point you regarding the boot procedure
17:13:24devurandomDo you share code with ipodlinux?
17:13:32devurandomrasher: Well, I'll find out. Thanks!
17:14:18rasherThere's a fair bit of sharing with ipl, they had already done a lot of the work when Rockbox started porting to portalplayer targets
17:14:37rasherBut that's pretty much purely drivers
17:15:01devurandomDo you know whether ipl is dead? Seems pretty silent over there...
17:15:35rasherI probably don't know more than you, ie. not a lot of visible activity
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17:22:21devurandomI've never done any embedded programming before. Is there any MUST read? Or is it enough to poke rockbox' code?
17:23:21Domonokydevurandom: nothing really special. just straight c, no malloc, and dont waste resources..
17:23:39devurandomok.
17:24:20devurandomSince I was coding quite some Qt lately, I looked into Qtopia. But I guess a size of 15MB is too much for my iPod. ;)
17:24:28Domonokya good way to start rockbox hacking. is to try a little plugin..
17:24:49Domonokydevurandom: no qt on rockbox, that would be waste of resources.. :-)
17:25:08devurandomWhat I'd be interested in: Is the UI considered alpha?
17:25:15Domonokybut if you like Qt hacking, you are welcom to help out with rbutil (rockbox installer) which is in Qt
17:25:15devurandomI find it rather inconsistent...
17:25:26devurandomYes, already used that.
17:25:51devurandomAnd would have an issue to fix... (/me adds it to his todo-list)
17:26:04Domonokydevurandom: the UI of rockbox is very customiceable, try some different themes..
17:26:16krazykitdevurandom, well, there are always improvements that could be made. a common complaint is how the menus are set up and ordered, but so far there hasn't been a good suggestion on how to fix it, apparently
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17:26:43devurandomDomonoky: The themes change the input schemes too?
17:26:59Domonokyno, only display.. keymaps are fixed..
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17:27:01devurandomSince that is what I have the issue with.
17:27:22devurandomIt seems as if every submenu has its own interpretation of the keys...
17:27:39pixelma?
17:27:45devurandoms/seems/feels/
17:28:03krazykitthe keymaps are not "fixed" by any means. if you come up with something that improves the mapping or makes it more consistent, that would be great
17:28:03countrymonkeyMoos: I was thinking why don't we turn the old french file (before your rework) into a beljim french file and make yours french france?
17:28:21krazykitcountrymonkey, if moos reads the logs, you don't need to repeat it every day.
17:28:40Domonokywith "fixed" i meant not user customiceable.. :-)
17:28:56devurandompixelma: Sometimes "menu" means cancel, sometimes it means "mainmenu". Sometimes "right" means "back" and sometimes something else... Such stuff.
17:29:15Domonokydevurandom: which device do you have ?
17:29:28devurandomiPod Nano
17:30:14devurandomAren't the buttons bound to actions, which are then handled by each menu?
17:30:21*Domonoky thinks ipods dont have enough buttons, i like my h120 more :-)
17:30:25devurandomAt least that would be my immediate idea how to do it...
17:30:42devurandomDomonoky: Yes, it is rather limited. Playing Doom was a pain. ;)
17:31:19devurandomThough Apple's firmware handles it greatly.
17:31:19pixelmadevurandom: can you give an example? The usual submenus (coming from the main menu) have all the same mapping, except the debug menu IIRC but playlist viewer and the quick screen can have different buttons
17:31:48devurandom"quick screen"?
17:32:01devurandomThe while-playing-screen?
17:32:07pixelmano
17:33:34countrymonkeythe screen you get pressing long on play from the wps
17:33:51rasherNot only the wps
17:34:10pixelmathe one that you can reach by "long menu" (according to the manual) on the Nano from the WPS
17:34:21devurandom"press long on play"? Aint that the "shutdown" function?
17:34:34Domonokylong menu in the wps
17:34:46devurandomBut I think it could be the playlist and the configuration screens I mean.
17:35:18pixelmarasher: I believe some targets can only call it from the WPS (and one doesn't have it at all) but I don't use it much...
17:35:32devurandomDon't have it at hand atm, otherwise I'd try. It is currently loading...
17:35:43*Domonoky just tested long menu works also in files on ipods.. :-)
17:35:51rasherpixelma: ah, I'll shut my mouth then
17:36:24devurandomWell, I'll have a look at the docs, then at the code and then I'll see. (hopefully)
17:39:05pixelmarasher: e.g. I can't find a way to get to the quick screen from the browsers on my c200 8only from the WPS) - I know that the keymap is not very enhanced there but it is surprisingly hard to find something better there even though it has quite a lot of buttons :\
17:39:44PaulJamon my h300 i noticed some minor inconsitencies too, for example in the id3 info screen PLAY does noting (you have to press A-B or STOP to return to WPS), inside the "Browse XXX" entrys in the menu PLAY brings you up one level (instead of WPS) and in the FM-radio screen long REC does nothing.
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17:42:02rasherpixelma: apparently you can't bring it up from the menu on e200 either.. even though long-menu does nothing :|
17:42:47pixelmadevurandom: if you can point at something specific please do :)
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17:46:32devurandomWill do.
17:46:54devurandomThanks! And Bye...
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18:03:42n1srasher: quick screen in the menu has not worked for a very loong time (possibly since the rootmenu change)
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18:51:07parafinwhy was http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 cleaned?
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18:55:36BigBambiparafin: The two builds that were removed were at least four months old
18:56:26BigBambiIt clearly says in the posting in this forum thread that more than a month old are liable to be removed
18:56:43parafinah, ok then
18:57:39rasherBigBambi: I guess the archos 2.5.1 build is getting a free pass because of its stated goal?
18:57:48BigBambirasher: I assume so
18:58:13rasherMore than a year old
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18:58:30BigBambiBut I don't really know - I didn't remove those other builds (although I agree with doing so), I just looked at why they were
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19:27:19Buschelanyone with a 4G color present and willing to test something?
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19:38:59soapsoap did it
19:39:07soapthe Unsupported Build clearing
19:39:18soaparchos 2.5.1 gets a free pass for multiple reasons.
19:39:23soapSome good, some bad.
19:39:51BigBambisoap: I know you did :) But I didn't know if you wanted me to say (for whatever reason)
19:40:41soapI remove old ones which are A:Old as shit (the Clix Nano one) B:Old and redundant (Evil G) C:No longer hosted and maker doesn't respond for 14 days.
19:40:53BigBambiMe too
19:41:03BigBambiI have deleted a fair few from there
19:41:30petur14 days is a bit short, no?
19:41:45soap14 days from a PM for a build which is no longer downloadable?
19:41:58BigBambiThey can always go back if the maker decides to restart
19:42:20soapand it can always be rescued from the "To Be Deleted" forum.
19:42:38peturtrue
19:42:57pixelmaroolku: did you try playing mods recently? My c250 just hangs when I try one, need to hard power off (I'm actually investigating some other weirdnesses though)
19:43:15soapparafin, I removed yours "without warning" for a couple of reasons - but we can discuss them.
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19:44:02roolkupixelma: yes I had a few hangs, but not enough to pin down a reason. Does it always happen for you?
19:44:08HorschtBuschel, you here?
19:44:11Buschelyes
19:44:24Horschtre-ran the bench
19:44:26soap5 month old build. 20 patched - 10 of them long in SVN in one form or another.
19:44:26Horscht17h
19:44:37soaps/patched/patches.
19:44:44Buschelwow
19:44:53Horschtyes, my thoughts exactly!
19:45:03pixelmaroolku: no, some seem to play (the first 2 didn't and made the player freeze)
19:45:16Buschelhorscht: there may be some more runtime... just running the next tests here
19:45:53Horschteven more runtime?
19:46:06Horschtyou know, 17h is pretty damn close to stock runtime
19:46:29Buschelyep, there may be some adjustments in PCF registers possible
19:46:49parafinsoap, it's fine, it was old
19:47:29roolkupixelma: for me the ones that hung previously play the next time I try - I think it is something to do with the whole buffering wierdness that causes all the resume problemes etc
19:47:51Horschti'll pastebin the bench for you, Buschel if you need it. Allthough I doubt you do at this point
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19:48:12Buschelhorscht: just post it
19:48:15roolkupixelma: if playback is back to normal and mods still won't play reliably I will look into it. :)
19:48:22midgeyHorscht: is that with a 5G 60/80GB?
19:48:29Horscht80
19:48:36midgeyah, nice
19:48:37pixelmaroolku: ah no... I got one folder in which all seem to play correctly and 2 others folders where I can select every file and it hangs. Since I see the same thing with the other problem I'm investigating (resume and skip 3rd track) - I mean one folder is affected and the other isn't I wonder if it is related...
19:50:05parafinbug #5230 is very annoying and is very old, has anyone investigated it?
19:51:15pixelma...I still couldn't find what attribute those broken have in common and what makes them different to working ones though... :\
19:51:39HorschtBuschel, http://www.pastebin.ca/890407 I am afk now, thanks again for your effort!
19:52:38pixelmaroolku: so I agree on the buffering weirdness point :)
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19:54:25Buschelhorscht: this was also with cabbie WPS and normal volume (~-20dB)?
19:56:06BuschelHorscht: because also the 90%-10% time increased a lot
19:57:21pixelmagotta go, bbl
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20:02:37Horschtyes, Buschel
20:02:54Horschtcan't tell you the exact volume level though
20:03:06Buschelhmm, same playlist?
20:03:57Horschtnot the same songs, no. but same quaility/bitrate
20:04:48Buschelahh, that may be the reason. your last bench show +5% for 90-10% runtime. this may be connected to different files...
20:05:14Buschelwow, and this was _with_ WPS
20:06:00Horschtplus, the most noticable thing was that the benchmark didn't stop at 9% battery left
20:06:17ender`if anybody feels like losing a few brain cells: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/source.txt (also read http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/7593.aspx for explanation)
20:06:32rasherender`: wrong channel
20:06:45ender`oops
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20:06:56Buschelyes, this might have given you some extra 30-40 minutes in the bench −− but there shouldn't a be much difference when watching it go off
20:07:07ender`(then again, there are coders in here, too :)
20:08:43BuschelHorscht, can you build for your own?
20:10:17Horschtnope, haven't yet looked into it
20:10:32Horschtmainly because there are daily builds anyways (allthough, unpatched)
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20:10:55Buschelok
20:11:15Horschtanyways, I really got to go now, friends are waiting in front of the cinema. i'll catch you sometime later
20:11:24Buschelhave fun!
20:11:29Horschtthank you
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20:23:26bluebrotherDomonoky: around?
20:23:36Domonokyjup
20:23:46bluebrotherhi
20:23:53Domonokybluebrother: thank you for fixing my bugs :-)
20:24:08bluebrotheryou're welcome ;-)
20:24:19bluebrotherwell, I noticed you're working on a cli version
20:24:42bluebrotherhow much work is left on refacturing? IMO we should create a bugfix release once that's done
20:24:43Domonokyyes.. its still in early dev, i am missing time for it..
20:25:02bluebrotherand then try to bump to 1.1 or so for the cli version
20:25:09bluebrotherthere is no code in svn yet, is it?
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20:25:41Domonokyno, because its still only configuration, no install in the cli version till now..
20:25:59Domonokyi will commit it, when i have the first install option with cli running :-)
20:26:20bluebrotherok. I'm currently trying to catch up with the changes of the last month.
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20:27:44bluebrotherI'm still waiting for DSL but at least I don't have a time-accounted access anymore.
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20:28:10Domonokygood, so more coding from you :-)
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20:28:39bluebrotherhopefully. There's still a lot in my pipe required by my move.
20:28:59bluebrotherbut I should be more active now ;-)
20:29:14Domonokynice, have fun :-)
20:31:29bluebrotherah, btw: you're now storing the displayed value for tts / encoder name in the config file. Is this intened?
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20:32:21Domonokyreally ?, i have to check..
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20:32:47bluebrotheryep.
20:33:00bluebrotherso I assume this wasn't intended ;-)
20:33:07Domonokyno..
20:36:07Domonokyafter checking the code, it seams intended.. :-)
20:36:25bluebrotherhmm, we should include a readme file in the zip with all known issues listed.
20:36:36Domonokyotherwise you need to add a function to convert the long name into the shortnme :-)
20:38:03bluebrotherhmm. I don't like using the displayed name (as I hope we can make that translateable eventually)
20:38:39Domonokyfeel free to change it :-)
20:38:47bluebrotherwell, so it's another thing I can look into the next days :)
20:39:14Domonokyabout your fix for th seqfault with non configured enc or tts. a default tts/enc would be better..
20:39:27bluebrotheryep.
20:39:30Domonokyotherwise we need this error handling in a few more places..
20:40:00bluebrotherI just experienced it as my config file was outdated
20:40:23Domonokythe whole tts enc class thing isnt really nice, but i dont know a better way at moment..
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20:40:45bluebrotherI'm a bit out of cpp programming ... only c at work
20:41:15*Domonoky is coding c++ at work, but mor embedded, driver things.. :-)
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21:00:10bluebrothercan the swcodec players still use mp3 voice / talk files?
21:00:17Domonokyno
21:00:43Domonokyso the encoder selection could be hardwired to your device selection..
21:01:00bluebrotherjust thought about that.
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21:19:12*petur wonders why the the signature of sw_i2c_write was changed
21:21:33peturroolku: why remove the const?
21:23:20roolkupetur: because otherwise I would need to duplicate sw_i2c() - once for read and one for write
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21:23:53Genesishttp://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.meizu.com/support/articleread.asp%3Farticleid%3D446&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSA58700x07%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
21:23:58Genesiscould interesst c
21:24:01Genesissomeone :)
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21:24:19roolkupetur: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/rtc/rtc_mr100.c?view=markup
21:25:25peturand why do we need sw_i2c() ?
21:26:04roolkupetur: could you elaborate?
21:27:53petursw_i2c() calls sw_i2c_read/write() with some GPIO poking around. I know you want to avoid code duplication but I do not like the solution
21:29:00roolkupetur: so what is your alternative ?
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21:30:30peturI would't mind duplication of sw_i2c() - but that's just me...
21:31:35peturwell nevermind me
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22:49:10pixelmaah n1s, thought about manual button actions for the radio chapter too :)
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23:08:49StephenSquiresHi all. Could I get Wiki write permission so that I can upload my new IPod Color theme?
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23:09:10StephenSquiresThank you
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23:22:03advlaptop2019did someone remove charging while using rockbox on the e200 series?
23:22:22rasherWorked for me last I tried a few days ago
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23:25:52advlaptop2019saratoga posted something on anythingbutipod saying it is disabled with having a FS patch added
23:26:08LloreanThat's always been true
23:26:12LloreanThe high power mode is disabled.
23:26:15Gr34t3stCan anyone help me with a 30gb iPod with rockbox?
23:26:21Gr34t3stvideo
23:26:22LloreanOr rather, isn't enabled by us, so it's default is disabled.
23:27:24advlaptop2019o ok.. i was not sure
23:27:31pixelmaGr34t3st: we don't know since you haven't told us your problem ;)
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23:30:05kslateradvlaptop2019 - depends on whether the device is on or not when you connect, right?
23:30:09Gr34t3stAlright I was putting rockbox on my girlfriend's 3gb iPod video. She had about 80 songs that she bought off of iTunes and now they are gone. How can you get rockbox to play files from iTunes?
23:30:31advlaptop2019i think if it is true then would this on the homepage be false then "New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows."
23:31:36kslaterif my e250 is on (and in rockbox) when I connect it, I get prompted to install drivers. and I get charging while playing back
23:31:36PaulJamGr34t3st: rockbox doesn't support DRM, so unless these songs are itunes plus songs ypu can't play them in rockbox.
23:31:48Lloreanadvlaptop2019: It does request full charging power.
23:32:02Gr34t3sthow do you know if they're iTunes plus or not?
23:32:06Lloreanadvlaptop2019: The trick is, we don't configure the charging circuit to then charge the battery using full power, so most of that power isn't used.
23:32:31advlaptop2019o ok.. now i understand then
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23:33:02rasherGr34t3st: From the price you paid for them, if nothing else
23:33:16rasherGr34t3st: iTunes plus tracks are slightly more expensive
23:33:25rasherHigher quality and no DRM
23:33:26Lloreanrasher: Actually, I believe the iTunes Plus tracks are sometimes the same price now, aren't they?
23:33:33LloreanI heard they were changing them
23:33:39Gr34t3stIs there ANY way to get the songs back?
23:33:39rasherAh, absolutely no idea about that
23:33:48Gr34t3stor go back to apple firmware?
23:34:13LloreanGr34t3st: You can simply uninstall Rockbox
23:34:22rasherGr34t3st: you can also dual-boot
23:34:24PaulJamthe songs should still be there, just boot into the apple firmware to play them
23:34:24LloreanOr boot into the Apple firmware using the dual boot feature.
23:34:39Gr34t3stcan you convert iTunes files to other formats?
23:35:30LloreanAccording to the iTunes license, only if you make a CD with them, then convert the CD
23:35:53Gr34t3stis that the only way
23:36:44rasherGr34t3st: it's the only way sanctioned by apple
23:37:09Gr34t3stgreat
23:37:44rasherI can only encourage you to buy DRM-free tracks in the future to avoid such problems
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23:38:47Gr34t3st so what do you suggest I do?
23:40:25kslaterGr34t3st: depends on what you're comfortable with
23:40:59Gr34t3stI just want to make sure those 80+ songs are still there and figure out someway to use them in rockbox.
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23:44:14kslaterGr34t3st: according to the FAQ you're unlikely to ever see DRM playback support in Rockbox
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23:47:59Gr34t3stHow do you add files to iPod without using iTunes? With rockbox on it.
23:49:34krazykitdepends on if you care about playing them in the OF too. if not, just copy them over like any external hard drive. if so, use one of the million other programs that interact with the itunesdb
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23:57:45markunrasher: any news about the arabic translation?
23:57:53rashermarkun: nothing
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23:58:49markun'my' translator would also be really interested to see his work.

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