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#rockbox log for 2008-02-04

00:00:05Gr34t3stThanks for your help.
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00:00:25rashermarkun: Maybe he's caught in the internet pickle they have in that area - or is it resolved by now?
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00:04:50markunrasher: no idea
00:05:14rasherI'll shoot him another mail
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00:18:25countrymonkeyI was reading the logs to see if moos had answered me and I noticed something that said there was an arabic translation. Where is that and why isn't it in svn?
00:20:11markuncountrymonkey: it's (hopefully) on the translator's computer.
00:21:07markunor are you talking about a different arabic translation than rasher and I were talking about?
00:22:02countrymonkeyThat's the one I'm talking about. I was just commenting to my friend (when I was convincing him why rb was so much cooler than the apple os), "I just wonder why there is no arabic translation".
00:22:17rasherBecause no one has made one?
00:23:02rasherWe can't conjure things out of thin air
00:23:10countrymonkeyI know. He was the one that asked, "Is there an arabic translation?" From what you last heard, is it work-in-progress or complete?
00:23:19rasherHard to tell
00:23:34rasherHe was a bit vague.
00:23:53countrymonkeyWhat did he say?
00:24:07*BigBambi mentions "volunteer", "spare-time", "people work on what they want", "an arabic speaker hasn't helped us produce one", "we don't speak arabic, it is quite hard to do a translation without speaking the language" ...
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00:24:49rashercountrymonkey: I don't really want to quote the mail. He was vague as to whether or not the translation was done. I've told you everything I know.
00:25:10countrymonkeyok. I'll just wait and see.
00:25:36countrymonkeyBut it is a nice thing to have, with so many arabic speakers in the world. I hope it is done soon.
00:27:46BigBambiIf one of them helps it shall be done
00:27:57BigBambiIt is impossible to translate a language you do not speak
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00:28:44countrymonkeyI am aware. I am just crossing my fingers over the net. *knocks on wood*
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00:31:10pixelmasomeone with a Sansa (no matter which) and a microSD card at hand, both containing music and willing to do a quick test to confirm something for me?
00:31:33BigBambipixelma: sure
00:31:43BigBambie260 and a 1GB card
00:33:16pixelmacould you try creating a root.m3u8 by choosing "playlist > create playlist" from the menu while music is not playing - with plugged in microSD and then check if the root.m3u8 contains only files from the card or from both memories (as my Ondio does btw.)?
00:33:24BigBambiOK
00:33:26BigBambione mo
00:34:13pixelmathank you :)
00:34:30BigBambipixelma: Both memories
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00:35:00pixelmaok, weird. It doesn't on my c200...
00:35:14BigBambibizarre
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00:49:24n1spixelma: iirc that playlist creation depends on where the file browser is in the tree, so maybe you have browsed into a dir somewhere?
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00:54:02pixelman1s: I think not, it's the same right after boot. I have set start screen to file browser so I am in the root when I try. And if I'm not doing something wrong it is exactly the same way I do on the Ondio...
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01:49:51kugelJdGordon: Hey. It cost me a good amount of effort to edit your list viewports patch to my version. So if I base it of your last version and fix the dual-drawing, it would be a better solution? I'm really thinking my approach is more flexible, and if not at least a lot more easier to read and maintain. But I don't want to waste the time in editting the stuff again, when you think my approach...
01:49:53kugel...is working but not good enough.
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02:02:43panicbytehey, is rockbox team currently working on supporting the v2 e200 sansas?
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02:15:46krazykitpanicbyte, read the thread in the New Ports forum
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03:11:25Imaginativeonehow do I watch tv on my iPod using RockBox?
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03:14:34LloreanImaginativeone: Please tell me that's either a joke, or you mean "how do I watch videos of TV shows", and don't actually expect Rockbox to somehow, by software, include a TV tuner.
03:15:01ImaginativeoneLOL...yes, I mean the latter
03:15:23ImaginativeoneI like to buy episodes of Numbers
03:15:35Imaginativeoneand I'd like to still be able to do that
03:16:47LloreanYou can't watch iTunes video in Rockbox. Just boot into the Apple software to watch it.
03:18:42Imaginativeoneugh - what a hassle. Thanks (but no thanks).
03:18:58LloreanBlame Apple
03:19:17LloreanThough I don't find simply turning the player off and on again a huge hassle.
03:19:55Imaginativeonethe general advantage would be to use the device in linux?
03:20:00LloreanNo
03:20:11ImaginativeoneBUT I'd have to use Mac for the videos...
03:20:20LloreanNo, you wouldn't
03:20:26LloreaniTunes does exist on Windows.
03:20:55LloreanThe general advantage would be the fact that you need no program to manage your device, so can use any you choose from any OS that can access a UMS USB device. And the fact that you can have your music in almost any common or semi-common audio format.
03:20:59ImaginativeoneI could use Mac or Windows for the videos...
03:21:20Imaginativeoneah
03:21:26LloreanBut how were you planning to get the videos from iTunes without using Mac or Windows anyway?
03:22:00LloreanIf you're just gonna record them from TV yourself and encode them, Rockbox does play video. It can't play iTunes' DRM'ed videos.
03:22:32Imaginativeoneactually, I have no idea how I'm going to get them...
03:22:47Imaginativeoneperhaps from Netflix on DVD
03:23:00LloreanBut due to the fact that you bought an iPod Video, with its entirely undocumented hardware, the Apple software can play video better than us because they have access to hardware we have a truly minimal knowledge of.
03:23:00ImaginativeoneI only watch old stuff anyhow...
03:23:23Imaginativeoneaaahhh...
03:23:57ImaginativeoneI wish I knew where to get alternative tv from
03:24:29LloreanWell that's not really relevant to this channel
03:24:47Imaginativeoneheh heh...thanks for your help
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03:45:34csc`Imaginativeone: you could rent the dvd's from netflix, rip and re-encode them to your liking
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03:46:13Imaginativeoneis there a url for learning how to do that?
03:46:30csc`for what OS
03:46:53LloreanPlease don't discuss that in here
03:47:42Imaginativeoneok
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06:22:45JdGordonok, viewports are really pissing me off now!
06:26:44psycho_maniacwhys that?
06:30:07JdGordoncoz they arnt working
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07:07:39JdGordon#1 0x0000000000463cb3 in lcd_mono_bitmap_part (src=0x47c3f9 "&III2", src_x=0, src_y=0, stride=6, x=23, y=0, width=6, height=8) at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:777
07:07:39JdGordon#2 0x000000000046425a in lcd_putsxyofs (x=23, y=0, ofs=0, str=0x473b21 "Shuffle") at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:939
07:07:43JdGordon:'(
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07:18:58JdGordonok, something is truly fucked with my setup now... its crashing in lcd_hline()?!
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07:56:07crazy_busit says in this forum thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5702.0 that the scrollwheel patch for had being applied to the main builds. I was wondering if there was a option to enable it or if I have to compile my own custom build?
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08:08:45JdGordonmorning linuxstb
08:09:22linuxstbGood morning.
08:09:46JdGordonviewports is driving me nuts....
08:10:02JdGordonI've almost got the quickscreen finished, but it likes crashing in the lcd driver
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08:12:02linuxstbDo you have a patch?
08:12:19JdGordonalmost... ill post it before I goto bed
08:12:22linuxstb...preferably not called "changes" ;)
08:12:33JdGordondisplay->drawrect(0,0, vps[display->screen_type][i].width, vps[display->screen_type][i].height); is bloody crashing it!
08:12:46JdGordon.. that is after setting the viewport
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08:13:26linuxstbI would just add DEBUGF statements in the drawrect function to see what's going on.
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08:20:25JdGordonarg.. i have no idea... I'm definatly staying inside the lcd :'(
08:21:11crazy_busI downloaded an album of jamendo which included album art. However pictureflow says it can find no album art. Is there anything I'm meant to do to make it work?
08:21:13amiconnA backtrace should tell you what's going on
08:21:57JdGordonoh fucking hell... drawmode wasnt being inited :'(
08:22:08JdGordonsetting up the viewports is too much of a pita
08:22:16GodEatercrazy_bus: read the AlbumArt wiki page ?
08:22:51crazy_busI searched the pdf manual for picture flow and didn't find anything before. I'll check the wiki now
08:23:03linuxstbJdGordon: Then create a function to initialise a viewport...
08:23:37JdGordonamiconn: so, i was thiking about the "problem" with the quickscreen not really being quick anymore and i think with a bit of fiddling with the keymaps it should work fine again.. im surprised noone played with it since it was broken a year ago... should be an easy fix
08:24:44amiconnYeah, but that might require 2 contexts on recorders
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08:25:56amiconnI bet most users today don't know about the real quick way of operating the quickscreen... plus many targets won't allow it hardware wise
08:26:21JdGordonna, make the WPS return ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN instead of _WPS_QUICKSCREEN and it should be fine
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08:28:27JdGordon... did someone say customizable quickscreens?
08:29:15JdGordonhttp://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3in6.png
08:29:43JdGordonneed to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done
08:33:25JdGordonanyone object to having them all centered instead of aligned to the edges?
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08:36:06pondlifeBagder: xmms? Why not rockboxui?
08:36:45GodEateror audacious
08:37:54amiconnJdGordon: Imo the left option should use left aligned text, and the right option right aligned text
08:37:54JdGordonwhich lcd has the narrowest screen?
08:38:18scorcheBagder: and while you are at it, is that a real screen shot from you, or a stock image from somewhere? (that is good music playing on that screenshot..)
08:38:42amiconnHmm, and where are the arrow icons??
08:39:05JdGordon[23:30:09] <JdGordon> need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done
08:41:10*amiconn knows all target's display resolutions out of his head
08:41:28amiconnThe Archos lcd is the narrowest, hence you'll want a recorder sim
08:41:38amiconn(Ondio has no quickscreen due to lack of buttons)
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08:42:50JdGordon4 items fits fine in the h100 remote lcd which is nice... but not if the user font is enabled
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08:44:59amiconnOh, btw: the quick method of operating the quickscreen won't work with 4 items on recorders
08:45:37amiconnThere is a reason why the quickscreen only offers 3 options
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08:45:54JdGordonwell... im doing it so the user can choose which settings to show.. so if they dont want the top option they dont have to enable it
08:45:55amiconnThe 'Up' button is in the same button group as the F1...F3 buttons
08:46:12linuxstbShouldn't the number of options be target-dependent then?
08:46:20amiconn...hence it cannot be detected at the same time one of the F buttons is pressed
08:46:44JdGordonthe default setup will be the same as svn
08:46:51amiconnBut since there is also display flip, that effect even applies with 3 items
08:47:29amiconnMaybe we don't need to limit the number of options because of this, but the effect should be mentioned in the manual (or quickmode dropped altogether)
08:47:51amiconnThere's also the problem that 4 options wouldn't work e.g. with my 'Car' font
08:48:29JdGordon... so in your car config dont have all 4 options?
08:48:57amiconn3 options would fit with the viewport-enabled quickscreen... in svn even that doesn't work
08:49:24amiconnThe svn quickscreen switches to the sysfont if userfont doesn't fit, but if the options also need to scroll, that breaks
08:49:58amiconnAnd imo it shouldn't switch to the sysfont... that's bad for non-latin languages
08:51:25amiconnThat reminds me.... I wonder whether we should make the sim simulate the target's button constraints
08:51:50amiconn(printing a debug message if someone presses a combo that's impossible on target)
08:51:52JdGordon4 items _just_ fits with sysfont on the rec
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08:52:18amiconnYes, sure
08:52:38amiconnThey also fit with my 'Earphone' and 'Hifi' font (rockfont-8)
08:52:47SaadSaeedHello fellow rockboxers
08:52:56JdGordonnot exactly nice... but if there isnt enough lines we could do "shuffle: on" and scroll that instead of splitting it
08:53:13SaadSaeedIs USB charge possible on JBR ?
08:53:24amiconnno
08:54:10SaadSaeedSo this is not related to JBR? 2007-11-23 New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows.
08:54:13amiconnJdGordon: Yeah, that would be an idea... should even work for 4 items
08:54:57SaadSaeedThe thing is, my adopter blew up and am unable to charge my brick
08:55:21linuxstbSaadSaeed: You can remove the batteries and charge with an external charger.
08:55:27GodEaterSaadSaeed: the USB stack only applies to PortalPlayer targets
08:55:30JdGordonI dunno how nice it would be to use though...
08:56:31linuxstbamiconn: Why would scrolling with the system font not work?
08:56:45linuxstbAh, with SVN...
08:56:57SaadSaeedGodEater, Ok i'll consider charging with external adopter. But do you know if there is a fuse inside the JBR? I think mine may have blown up from the inside too. (just the charing part) the unit works but its low on battery,.
08:57:29GodEaterSaadSaeed: no idea - sorry
08:58:28linuxstbSaadSaeed: I haven't looked at them, but these may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics
08:58:41amiconnlinuxstb: The svn quickscreen sets the sysfont, prints the text, and resets the font. So as soon as the text starts scrolling, the scrolling text switches to the user font and creates an ugly overlay effect
08:59:45*SaadSaeed looking
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09:00:20amiconnSaadSaeed: If the JBR doesn't charge, the charging circuit inside might be blown. Iirc there should be some documentation in the wiki regarding what circuit you need and how to change it
09:00:47amiconnAnd no, JBR can't charge from USB, physically
09:01:08SaadSaeedthx folks
09:01:12amiconnJBFM and JBRV2 can, albeit only very slowly
09:01:27SaadSaeednah mine is the old JBR20
09:01:39SaadSaeedive modded it to become 80gb
09:01:51SaadSaeedand the trusty thing has lasted me very long
09:02:11SaadSaeedan overcurrent in our house blew up many things
09:02:39SaadSaeedthe adapter went away for sure, and im thinking the charging mechanism inside the jbr may also have been compromised
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09:04:37*amiconn also has an 80GB-modded JBR among his collection
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09:05:18amiconnIt's actually one of my mainly used targets
09:05:21scorchesadly, my 160GB JBR died (at least the hard drive did) =/
09:05:43*SaadSaeed <3 Rockbox and wants JBR to live
09:06:39SaadSaeedscorche its an afternoon tweak to re-add a new drive to it, should be fun project to relive.
09:07:15Horschtiwow, that really sucks
09:07:29Horschtiespecially since 160GB drives are somewhat pricey
09:08:15JdGordonyep.. scrolling the two side items does not work too well...
09:08:16SaadSaeedare they?
09:08:38GodEaterSaadSaeed: 1.8" ones are - not 2.5"
09:08:59SaadSaeedi thought since 500gb ones for laptops were introduced recently the price of regular ones should have gone down
09:08:59scorchewell, i got this one when they first came out at around...400 ish?
09:09:06SaadSaeedouch
09:09:24Horschtiwait.. does the JBR use 2.5?
09:09:29scorcheyes
09:09:37Horschtioh, didn't know that
09:09:45Horschtimust be some brick then
09:09:47Horschti:)
09:09:52SaadSaeedlol
09:10:03amiconnUnfortunately, 160GB is still the largest you can get - all larger 2.5" HDDs are SATA, unfortunately
09:11:01scorcheunfortunate, indeed :)
09:11:44amiconnHorschti: Yes, compared to newer targets, it is a brick, but it still has better sound quality than many of the newer targets, it's reliable, and you can easily replace the battery for little money
09:11:49SaadSaeedwhat do u guys recommend for a next upgrade though from a modded 80Gb JBR?
09:11:53amiconnIt uses 4 NiMH AA cells
09:12:07Horschtidamn... Cells rule
09:12:11*SaadSaeed shhh dont let my JBR know
09:12:23SaadSaeedbut Cells are heavy
09:12:48Horschtimy old flash based player ran 12h with a single AAA rechargable cell
09:12:51SaadSaeedthe HDD itself is not that heavy its those 4 AA cells (the bigger ones) that add gravity
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09:15:31SaadSaeedbut yeh it does. B)
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12:23:37broomHello. Just wanted to let the developers know. Yesterday, I performed an svn update and built a simulator for H120 (under Windows, using cygwin). And then had a crash in the slidig puzzle plugin after pressing 'play' (aka F8)
12:24:30LinusNouch
12:25:17pixelmait's known http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080131#08:04:08
12:27:02broomAh, ok then.
12:28:59pixelmait tries to switch to album art mode. It should use a cover.bmp matching to the song you're playing, if there is none or if you don't play music > problem, which is a crash in the sim, I didn't notice on target unless you enable said "catch mem accesses" on coldfire targets
12:30:13broomI don't use album art (no AA in the WPS) and the music wasn't playing as I started the plugin.
12:30:53broomSo everything is as expected, I assume.
12:31:57broompixelma. BTW: what is 'album art mode'? The picture of the album art is used in the puzzle?
12:32:18pixelmayes, a new addition to it
12:32:33broomHua, cool!
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13:00:44amiconnLinusN: The bug is actually in the core's album art code
13:00:56LinusNoh
13:00:56amiconnIt uses pointers which might be NULL without checking
13:01:00LinusNi see
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13:03:16peturamiconn: you have an iriver lcd remote, right? Can you check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15242.0 - it works fine for me but two users claim otherwise
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13:05:03tessaraktI can't install Rockbox on my new Sansa e280 ...
13:05:20tessaraktrbutilqt says it does not find a Sansa
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