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#rockbox log for 2008-02-04

00:00:05Gr34t3stThanks for your help.
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00:00:25rashermarkun: Maybe he's caught in the internet pickle they have in that area - or is it resolved by now?
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00:04:50markunrasher: no idea
00:05:14rasherI'll shoot him another mail
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00:18:25countrymonkeyI was reading the logs to see if moos had answered me and I noticed something that said there was an arabic translation. Where is that and why isn't it in svn?
00:20:11markuncountrymonkey: it's (hopefully) on the translator's computer.
00:21:07markunor are you talking about a different arabic translation than rasher and I were talking about?
00:22:02countrymonkeyThat's the one I'm talking about. I was just commenting to my friend (when I was convincing him why rb was so much cooler than the apple os), "I just wonder why there is no arabic translation".
00:22:17rasherBecause no one has made one?
00:23:02rasherWe can't conjure things out of thin air
00:23:10countrymonkeyI know. He was the one that asked, "Is there an arabic translation?" From what you last heard, is it work-in-progress or complete?
00:23:19rasherHard to tell
00:23:34rasherHe was a bit vague.
00:23:53countrymonkeyWhat did he say?
00:24:07*BigBambi mentions "volunteer", "spare-time", "people work on what they want", "an arabic speaker hasn't helped us produce one", "we don't speak arabic, it is quite hard to do a translation without speaking the language" ...
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00:24:49rashercountrymonkey: I don't really want to quote the mail. He was vague as to whether or not the translation was done. I've told you everything I know.
00:25:10countrymonkeyok. I'll just wait and see.
00:25:36countrymonkeyBut it is a nice thing to have, with so many arabic speakers in the world. I hope it is done soon.
00:27:46BigBambiIf one of them helps it shall be done
00:27:57BigBambiIt is impossible to translate a language you do not speak
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00:28:44countrymonkeyI am aware. I am just crossing my fingers over the net. *knocks on wood*
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00:31:10pixelmasomeone with a Sansa (no matter which) and a microSD card at hand, both containing music and willing to do a quick test to confirm something for me?
00:31:33BigBambipixelma: sure
00:31:43BigBambie260 and a 1GB card
00:33:16pixelmacould you try creating a root.m3u8 by choosing "playlist > create playlist" from the menu while music is not playing - with plugged in microSD and then check if the root.m3u8 contains only files from the card or from both memories (as my Ondio does btw.)?
00:33:24BigBambiOK
00:33:26BigBambione mo
00:34:13pixelmathank you :)
00:34:30BigBambipixelma: Both memories
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00:35:00pixelmaok, weird. It doesn't on my c200...
00:35:14BigBambibizarre
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00:49:24n1spixelma: iirc that playlist creation depends on where the file browser is in the tree, so maybe you have browsed into a dir somewhere?
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00:54:02pixelman1s: I think not, it's the same right after boot. I have set start screen to file browser so I am in the root when I try. And if I'm not doing something wrong it is exactly the same way I do on the Ondio...
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01:49:51kugelJdGordon: Hey. It cost me a good amount of effort to edit your list viewports patch to my version. So if I base it of your last version and fix the dual-drawing, it would be a better solution? I'm really thinking my approach is more flexible, and if not at least a lot more easier to read and maintain. But I don't want to waste the time in editting the stuff again, when you think my approach...
01:49:53kugel...is working but not good enough.
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02:02:43panicbytehey, is rockbox team currently working on supporting the v2 e200 sansas?
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02:15:46krazykitpanicbyte, read the thread in the New Ports forum
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03:11:25Imaginativeonehow do I watch tv on my iPod using RockBox?
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03:14:34LloreanImaginativeone: Please tell me that's either a joke, or you mean "how do I watch videos of TV shows", and don't actually expect Rockbox to somehow, by software, include a TV tuner.
03:15:01ImaginativeoneLOL...yes, I mean the latter
03:15:23ImaginativeoneI like to buy episodes of Numbers
03:15:35Imaginativeoneand I'd like to still be able to do that
03:16:47LloreanYou can't watch iTunes video in Rockbox. Just boot into the Apple software to watch it.
03:18:42Imaginativeoneugh - what a hassle. Thanks (but no thanks).
03:18:58LloreanBlame Apple
03:19:17LloreanThough I don't find simply turning the player off and on again a huge hassle.
03:19:55Imaginativeonethe general advantage would be to use the device in linux?
03:20:00LloreanNo
03:20:11ImaginativeoneBUT I'd have to use Mac for the videos...
03:20:20LloreanNo, you wouldn't
03:20:26LloreaniTunes does exist on Windows.
03:20:55LloreanThe general advantage would be the fact that you need no program to manage your device, so can use any you choose from any OS that can access a UMS USB device. And the fact that you can have your music in almost any common or semi-common audio format.
03:20:59ImaginativeoneI could use Mac or Windows for the videos...
03:21:20Imaginativeoneah
03:21:26LloreanBut how were you planning to get the videos from iTunes without using Mac or Windows anyway?
03:22:00LloreanIf you're just gonna record them from TV yourself and encode them, Rockbox does play video. It can't play iTunes' DRM'ed videos.
03:22:32Imaginativeoneactually, I have no idea how I'm going to get them...
03:22:47Imaginativeoneperhaps from Netflix on DVD
03:23:00LloreanBut due to the fact that you bought an iPod Video, with its entirely undocumented hardware, the Apple software can play video better than us because they have access to hardware we have a truly minimal knowledge of.
03:23:00ImaginativeoneI only watch old stuff anyhow...
03:23:23Imaginativeoneaaahhh...
03:23:57ImaginativeoneI wish I knew where to get alternative tv from
03:24:29LloreanWell that's not really relevant to this channel
03:24:47Imaginativeoneheh heh...thanks for your help
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03:45:34csc`Imaginativeone: you could rent the dvd's from netflix, rip and re-encode them to your liking
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03:46:13Imaginativeoneis there a url for learning how to do that?
03:46:30csc`for what OS
03:46:53LloreanPlease don't discuss that in here
03:47:42Imaginativeoneok
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06:22:45JdGordonok, viewports are really pissing me off now!
06:26:44psycho_maniacwhys that?
06:30:07JdGordoncoz they arnt working
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07:07:39JdGordon#1 0x0000000000463cb3 in lcd_mono_bitmap_part (src=0x47c3f9 "&III2", src_x=0, src_y=0, stride=6, x=23, y=0, width=6, height=8) at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:777
07:07:39JdGordon#2 0x000000000046425a in lcd_putsxyofs (x=23, y=0, ofs=0, str=0x473b21 "Shuffle") at drivers/lcd-16bit.c:939
07:07:43JdGordon:'(
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07:18:58JdGordonok, something is truly fucked with my setup now... its crashing in lcd_hline()?!
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07:56:07crazy_busit says in this forum thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5702.0 that the scrollwheel patch for had being applied to the main builds. I was wondering if there was a option to enable it or if I have to compile my own custom build?
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08:08:45JdGordonmorning linuxstb
08:09:22linuxstbGood morning.
08:09:46JdGordonviewports is driving me nuts....
08:10:02JdGordonI've almost got the quickscreen finished, but it likes crashing in the lcd driver
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08:12:02linuxstbDo you have a patch?
08:12:19JdGordonalmost... ill post it before I goto bed
08:12:22linuxstb...preferably not called "changes" ;)
08:12:33JdGordondisplay->drawrect(0,0, vps[display->screen_type][i].width, vps[display->screen_type][i].height); is bloody crashing it!
08:12:46JdGordon.. that is after setting the viewport
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08:13:26linuxstbI would just add DEBUGF statements in the drawrect function to see what's going on.
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08:20:25JdGordonarg.. i have no idea... I'm definatly staying inside the lcd :'(
08:21:11crazy_busI downloaded an album of jamendo which included album art. However pictureflow says it can find no album art. Is there anything I'm meant to do to make it work?
08:21:13amiconnA backtrace should tell you what's going on
08:21:57JdGordonoh fucking hell... drawmode wasnt being inited :'(
08:22:08JdGordonsetting up the viewports is too much of a pita
08:22:16GodEatercrazy_bus: read the AlbumArt wiki page ?
08:22:51crazy_busI searched the pdf manual for picture flow and didn't find anything before. I'll check the wiki now
08:23:03linuxstbJdGordon: Then create a function to initialise a viewport...
08:23:37JdGordonamiconn: so, i was thiking about the "problem" with the quickscreen not really being quick anymore and i think with a bit of fiddling with the keymaps it should work fine again.. im surprised noone played with it since it was broken a year ago... should be an easy fix
08:24:44amiconnYeah, but that might require 2 contexts on recorders
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08:25:56amiconnI bet most users today don't know about the real quick way of operating the quickscreen... plus many targets won't allow it hardware wise
08:26:21JdGordonna, make the WPS return ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN instead of _WPS_QUICKSCREEN and it should be fine
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08:28:27JdGordon... did someone say customizable quickscreens?
08:29:15JdGordonhttp://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3in6.png
08:29:43JdGordonneed to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done
08:33:25JdGordonanyone object to having them all centered instead of aligned to the edges?
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08:36:06pondlifeBagder: xmms? Why not rockboxui?
08:36:45GodEateror audacious
08:37:54amiconnJdGordon: Imo the left option should use left aligned text, and the right option right aligned text
08:37:54JdGordonwhich lcd has the narrowest screen?
08:38:18scorcheBagder: and while you are at it, is that a real screen shot from you, or a stock image from somewhere? (that is good music playing on that screenshot..)
08:38:42amiconnHmm, and where are the arrow icons??
08:39:05JdGordon[23:30:09] <JdGordon> need to fix up the icons and alignement a bit, but other than that its done
08:41:10*amiconn knows all target's display resolutions out of his head
08:41:28amiconnThe Archos lcd is the narrowest, hence you'll want a recorder sim
08:41:38amiconn(Ondio has no quickscreen due to lack of buttons)
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08:42:50JdGordon4 items fits fine in the h100 remote lcd which is nice... but not if the user font is enabled
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08:44:59amiconnOh, btw: the quick method of operating the quickscreen won't work with 4 items on recorders
08:45:37amiconnThere is a reason why the quickscreen only offers 3 options
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08:45:54JdGordonwell... im doing it so the user can choose which settings to show.. so if they dont want the top option they dont have to enable it
08:45:55amiconnThe 'Up' button is in the same button group as the F1...F3 buttons
08:46:12linuxstbShouldn't the number of options be target-dependent then?
08:46:20amiconn...hence it cannot be detected at the same time one of the F buttons is pressed
08:46:44JdGordonthe default setup will be the same as svn
08:46:51amiconnBut since there is also display flip, that effect even applies with 3 items
08:47:29amiconnMaybe we don't need to limit the number of options because of this, but the effect should be mentioned in the manual (or quickmode dropped altogether)
08:47:51amiconnThere's also the problem that 4 options wouldn't work e.g. with my 'Car' font
08:48:29JdGordon... so in your car config dont have all 4 options?
08:48:57amiconn3 options would fit with the viewport-enabled quickscreen... in svn even that doesn't work
08:49:24amiconnThe svn quickscreen switches to the sysfont if userfont doesn't fit, but if the options also need to scroll, that breaks
08:49:58amiconnAnd imo it shouldn't switch to the sysfont... that's bad for non-latin languages
08:51:25amiconnThat reminds me.... I wonder whether we should make the sim simulate the target's button constraints
08:51:50amiconn(printing a debug message if someone presses a combo that's impossible on target)
08:51:52JdGordon4 items _just_ fits with sysfont on the rec
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08:52:18amiconnYes, sure
08:52:38amiconnThey also fit with my 'Earphone' and 'Hifi' font (rockfont-8)
08:52:47SaadSaeedHello fellow rockboxers
08:52:56JdGordonnot exactly nice... but if there isnt enough lines we could do "shuffle: on" and scroll that instead of splitting it
08:53:13SaadSaeedIs USB charge possible on JBR ?
08:53:24amiconnno
08:54:10SaadSaeedSo this is not related to JBR? 2007-11-23New USB stack with limited capability. Currently it only requests full charging power. Ignore driver popups from Windows.
08:54:13amiconnJdGordon: Yeah, that would be an idea... should even work for 4 items
08:54:57SaadSaeedThe thing is, my adopter blew up and am unable to charge my brick
08:55:21linuxstbSaadSaeed: You can remove the batteries and charge with an external charger.
08:55:27GodEaterSaadSaeed: the USB stack only applies to PortalPlayer targets
08:55:30JdGordonI dunno how nice it would be to use though...
08:56:31linuxstbamiconn: Why would scrolling with the system font not work?
08:56:45linuxstbAh, with SVN...
08:56:57SaadSaeedGodEater, Ok i'll consider charging with external adopter. But do you know if there is a fuse inside the JBR? I think mine may have blown up from the inside too. (just the charing part) the unit works but its low on battery,.
08:57:29GodEaterSaadSaeed: no idea - sorry
08:58:28linuxstbSaadSaeed: I haven't looked at them, but these may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics
08:58:41amiconnlinuxstb: The svn quickscreen sets the sysfont, prints the text, and resets the font. So as soon as the text starts scrolling, the scrolling text switches to the user font and creates an ugly overlay effect
08:59:45*SaadSaeed looking
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09:00:20amiconnSaadSaeed: If the JBR doesn't charge, the charging circuit inside might be blown. Iirc there should be some documentation in the wiki regarding what circuit you need and how to change it
09:00:47amiconnAnd no, JBR can't charge from USB, physically
09:01:08SaadSaeedthx folks
09:01:12amiconnJBFM and JBRV2 can, albeit only very slowly
09:01:27SaadSaeednah mine is the old JBR20
09:01:39SaadSaeedive modded it to become 80gb
09:01:51SaadSaeedand the trusty thing has lasted me very long
09:02:11SaadSaeedan overcurrent in our house blew up many things
09:02:39SaadSaeedthe adapter went away for sure, and im thinking the charging mechanism inside the jbr may also have been compromised
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09:04:37*amiconn also has an 80GB-modded JBR among his collection
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09:05:18amiconnIt's actually one of my mainly used targets
09:05:21scorchesadly, my 160GB JBR died (at least the hard drive did) =/
09:05:43*SaadSaeed <3 Rockbox and wants JBR to live
09:06:39SaadSaeedscorche its an afternoon tweak to re-add a new drive to it, should be fun project to relive.
09:07:15Horschtiwow, that really sucks
09:07:29Horschtiespecially since 160GB drives are somewhat pricey
09:08:15JdGordonyep.. scrolling the two side items does not work too well...
09:08:16SaadSaeedare they?
09:08:38GodEaterSaadSaeed: 1.8" ones are - not 2.5"
09:08:59SaadSaeedi thought since 500gb ones for laptops were introduced recently the price of regular ones should have gone down
09:08:59scorchewell, i got this one when they first came out at around...400 ish?
09:09:06SaadSaeedouch
09:09:24Horschtiwait.. does the JBR use 2.5?
09:09:29scorcheyes
09:09:37Horschtioh, didn't know that
09:09:45Horschtimust be some brick then
09:09:47Horschti:)
09:09:52SaadSaeedlol
09:10:03amiconnUnfortunately, 160GB is still the largest you can get - all larger 2.5" HDDs are SATA, unfortunately
09:11:01scorcheunfortunate, indeed :)
09:11:44amiconnHorschti: Yes, compared to newer targets, it is a brick, but it still has better sound quality than many of the newer targets, it's reliable, and you can easily replace the battery for little money
09:11:49SaadSaeedwhat do u guys recommend for a next upgrade though from a modded 80Gb JBR?
09:11:53amiconnIt uses 4 NiMH AA cells
09:12:07Horschtidamn... Cells rule
09:12:11*SaadSaeed shhh dont let my JBR know
09:12:23SaadSaeedbut Cells are heavy
09:12:48Horschtimy old flash based player ran 12h with a single AAA rechargable cell
09:12:51SaadSaeedthe HDD itself is not that heavy its those 4 AA cells (the bigger ones) that add gravity
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09:15:31SaadSaeedbut yeh it does. B)
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09:19:27LinusNhey ho
09:19:31SaadSaeedwelcome to Rockbox how can we help you?
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12:23:37broomHello. Just wanted to let the developers know. Yesterday, I performed an svn update and built a simulator for H120 (under Windows, using cygwin). And then had a crash in the slidig puzzle plugin after pressing 'play' (aka F8)
12:24:30LinusNouch
12:25:17pixelmait's known http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080131#08:04:08
12:27:02broomAh, ok then.
12:28:59pixelmait tries to switch to album art mode. It should use a cover.bmp matching to the song you're playing, if there is none or if you don't play music > problem, which is a crash in the sim, I didn't notice on target unless you enable said "catch mem accesses" on coldfire targets
12:30:13broomI don't use album art (no AA in the WPS) and the music wasn't playing as I started the plugin.
12:30:53broomSo everything is as expected, I assume.
12:31:57broompixelma. BTW: what is 'album art mode'? The picture of the album art is used in the puzzle?
12:32:18pixelmayes, a new addition to it
12:32:33broomHua, cool!
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13:00:44amiconnLinusN: The bug is actually in the core's album art code
13:00:56LinusNoh
13:00:56amiconnIt uses pointers which might be NULL without checking
13:01:00LinusNi see
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13:03:16peturamiconn: you have an iriver lcd remote, right? Can you check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15242.0 - it works fine for me but two users claim otherwise
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13:05:03tessaraktI can't install Rockbox on my new Sansa e280 ...
13:05:20tessaraktrbutilqt says it does not find a Sansa
13:05:30*LinusN dropped his x5 and smashed the joystick :-(
13:05:56pixelmatessarakt: you sure it is not a v2?
13:06:24LinusNluckily i found out which model it is, and will order a new one before it goes out of stock
13:06:42LinusNthe manufacturer stopped producing them
13:07:26tessaraktpixelma: i'm not sure
13:07:31tessarakthow can I find out?
13:07:59pixelmasafest method is to check the original firmware's version (somewhere in their "system" menu IIRC
13:08:01tessaraktdamn company ...
13:08:01pixelma)
13:08:05tessaraktk
13:08:12tessaraktI specifically asked them to check that
13:08:20amiconnpetur: Not now, but maybe tonight. Do you have ticking reduction enabled?
13:09:18tessaraktSettings->Info
13:09:24tessaraktV03.01.11F
13:10:19pixelmaunfortunately that's a v2, the firmware version of v1 players are starting with 01.xx.xx
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13:10:36tessaraktgnaa
13:10:38tessaraktidiots!
13:11:19tessaraktwhy do I ask them if it's a v2, if they don't bother?
13:11:25tessaraktgnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:11:52tessaraktdamn damn damn damn
13:12:47tessaraktok
13:12:58tessaraktit says "model: e280v2" on the back
13:13:34tessaraktargs
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13:13:49tessaraktthe port for v2 is quite difficult I suppose?
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13:14:54tessaraktis v2 just different or are they deliberately trying to block alternate firmware?
13:15:02LinusNit is different
13:15:19LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2
13:18:53tessaraktwhat damn kind of producz policy is that?
13:18:57pixelmathere's also a forum thread in the new ports section about the v2 players
13:19:04tessaraktnaming totally different devices identically ...
13:21:42n1stessarakt: basically the same as apple is/was doing with the ipods
13:21:56tessaraktApple is different
13:22:09tessaraktwith Apple you know they want to sell proprietary crap
13:24:37peturamiconn: yes, that is on. I assume that is default because I never touched that.
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13:33:08tessaraktdamn
13:33:13tessaraktthose idiots
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13:37:17amiconnpetur: I think it's off by default
13:37:39*petur checks his config
13:38:06tessaraktand the USB connection does not seem to be very stable ...
13:40:59peturamiconn: you're right, it is off by default.. will also check this tonight ;)
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13:45:49tessaraktI hope you have success with v2 ...
13:46:02tessaraktand I now have a player that does not even support Ogg
13:46:04tessarakthmpf
13:49:06GodEaterI didn't think there was anyone actually working on the v2 port ?
13:49:26GodEaterI mean, info on the platform has been gathered, but no-one is writing any code are they ?
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13:56:22tessarakt" Firmware File Format - We have not yet figured out this firmware format, you can help!"
13:56:31tessaraktthat is something SanDisk should do
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13:57:29linuxstbWhy would you expect them to do that? No manufacturer ever has (afaik).
13:58:01tessaraktnot for MP3 player, that might be true
13:58:18tessaraktlook at WRT54G(L?) routers ...
13:58:41tessaraktLinksys has published sourcecode and toolchain ...
13:58:46GodEaterthey run a Linux kernel though - which means Linksys is required to make it open
13:59:02GodEaterAFAIK the sansas don't run any sort of open source kernel
13:59:20linuxstbGodEater: That doesn't always follow...
13:59:30GodEaterwhat doesn't ?
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13:59:52linuxstbThat a Linux kernel means that manufacturers make things open.
13:59:53*GodEater disregards certain chinese based manufacturers that have no respect for the GPL
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14:00:24linuxstbThat's why GPLv3 exists...
14:00:45GodEaterI don't believe I mentioned running an altered firmware
14:00:51B4gderit also requires the copyright owner to bother
14:00:52tessaraktwell, someone should sue those Chinese manufacturers
14:00:53GodEaterI was talking about the sourcecode and toolchain
14:01:03linuxstbWe were talking about the firmware file format.
14:01:08tessaraktand if China does not enforce copyright, go to the government
14:01:11tessarakt-> trade war
14:01:15linuxstbi.e. how to generate firmware images to run on the device.
14:01:30GodEaterwe were speaking of slightly different things then I guess
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14:01:47GodEaterI assume the format could be released (if it were required to be so) without the keys required to make it runnable
14:01:52tessarakthttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9720
14:02:07tessaraktsorry, wrong thread
14:02:19tessarakthttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9721
14:02:46GodEateroh lovely, another unofficial installer
14:03:09B4gdergreat...
14:03:38*GodEater makes a mental note to avoid the sandisk install forum for a few more weeks
14:03:39*B4gder is on crutches after yesterday's Floorball...
14:03:41preglowrbutil sitll doesn't work perfect?
14:03:50GodEaterpreglow: hasn't for me
14:03:54linuxstbGodEater: Even worse, this disclaimer - "Any issues with rockbox should be taken to www.rockbox.org and discussed in through their forum channels. Please don't expect SanDisk or the Admins/Mods of this forum to assist with anything Rockbox related."...
14:04:08GodEaterfresh installs of it always produce "invalid configuration" messages
14:04:25GodEaterlinuxstb: I feel the need to post a rejoinder :)
14:04:26tessaraktok, bye
14:04:28tessaraktand thanks
14:04:37GodEater"please don't expect us to help with this unofficial installer. Signed: Rockbox"
14:05:04preglowGodEater: oh, yeah, i've had that too, but it goes away when i configure it
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14:05:15GodEaterpreglow: I couldn't make it go away :(
14:05:19GodEaterit didn't matter what I did
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14:07:07LambdaCalculus37Morning, everyone!
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14:09:52GodEaterinteresting, I can't even get it to build now
14:10:09GodEaterqmake doesn't appear to do much, and "make" complains there's no rule to make rbspeex
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14:25:59markunB4gder: did you break anything?
14:27:34B4gdernothing is broken, although there might be a fracture
14:28:04B4gderdid some x-rays already but I haven't gotten the verdict yet
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14:29:07*petur had never heard of floorball before
14:29:21B4gderit's very big in Sweden
14:29:27markunpetur: 'zaalvoetbal' maybe?
14:29:32GodEaterI've never heard of it either
14:29:37B4gderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball
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14:29:37peturmarkun: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball
14:29:42peturlol
14:29:50B4gderhehe
14:34:23XavierGroh Bagder you had an accident?
14:34:52B4gderexercise is dangerous
14:35:00XavierGrindeed!
14:35:40XavierGrhope that you get well soon, walking on crutches isn't fun :(
14:36:06peturXavierGr: it means more time behind the pc ;)
14:37:09XavierGrpetur: haha indeed, well then maybe we have to see more rockbox work from Bagder until he gets better ;P
14:37:40B4gderI was supposed to begin getting my son used to the child care today
14:37:59B4gderit's really hard to "handle" a 16 month old guy on crutches
14:38:32peturonly takes one good hit :p
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14:43:32GodEatersimilar to Bandy, but without the ice, and smaller teams...
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14:43:46B4gderyeps
14:43:54B4gderand a lighter ball
14:44:01markunand more dangerous
14:44:08markun:)
14:44:09n1sIt's commonly called "indoors bandy" in swedish too
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14:45:46GodEatercould someone please check that they can build rbutilqt ok? My copy of the svn tree for it is broken it seems (two missing targets in the make file)...
14:46:13pixelman1s: hence the title of the swedish wikipedia article :)
14:46:46n1syep :)
14:48:38n1sthanks for fixing my messup in the c200 platform file btw
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14:58:49linuxstbGodEater: Obvious question, but do you have a copy of apps/ and tools/ in your rbutil tree? It's not self-contained any more.
14:59:42GodEaterI've got apps/ tools/ rbutil/ all in the same directory...
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15:00:11linuxstbThen that's my list of things to check exhausted.
15:01:39GodEaterare we using qt4, or qt3 ?
15:02:04linuxstbI'm pretty sure it's 4
15:02:27GodEatermy Makefile has this reference in it : Makefile: rbutilqt.pro /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf
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15:02:55linuxstbDo you have a qmake-qt4?
15:03:33linuxstbI've just updated to current svn, run "qmake-qt4" and make seems to be working nicely.
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15:04:12GodEaterchanging that line to reference qt4 seems to have fixed things
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15:04:32GodEaterout of interest what version does qmake-qt4 return for you (when run with -v) ?
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15:04:54linuxstbQMake version 2.01a
15:04:54linuxstbUsing Qt version 4.3.3 in /usr/lib
15:05:10GodEaterthat's what qmake (no qmake-qt4 on my system) returns too
15:05:18GodEaterwonder how that reference to qt3 got in there then
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15:46:11DerPapstmorning all :-)
15:46:56DerPapstis there any nice api call to determine the maximal width a character of the user font can have?
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15:50:02DerPapstis rb->lcd_getstringsize("M", &width, NULL); asuming M has the maximal width the only solution?
15:54:08markunI hope there is a better way. Let me take a look.
15:54:52markunthe font struct has a ->maxwidth
15:54:55PaulJamisnt there the ->maxwidth variable in the font struct for that purpose?
15:55:09markun;)
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15:56:48DerPapstaha.. thank you :-)
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16:12:11kugelCan someone give me a hint how I can set the backlight brightness in a plugin to the highest value?
16:13:37peturadd it to apps/plugin.[ch]
16:14:19peturmaking a flashlight plugin? ;)
16:14:24kugelyea
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16:14:44hcsthe power of the sun, in the palm of my hand
16:14:51markunon the gigabeat and e200 we could also have flashing button lights :)
16:15:03kugelthere's one on the tracker, but it doesn't seem to set the brightness higher
16:15:29peturkugel: you'll have to add a function to the plugin api
16:15:35kugelI tend to use my e200 as a flashlight, I really want such a plugin
16:15:48kugeloh, I hoped there's allready such one
16:15:54peturbetter make it two: one to set and one to revert to config value
16:16:06DerPapstmore fun with a 5.5G iPod... it's backlight is insanely bright :-D
16:16:14peturit's not much work, check apps/plugin.c
16:16:23DerPapst*its
16:17:08DerPapstforgive my stupidity, but how do i access the font struct in a plugin?
16:18:06linuxstbrb->font_get(FONT_UI) ?
16:18:19linuxstb(returns a pointer to the font struct IIUC)
16:19:45DerPapstthanks. how is the name of the struct? just "font"?
16:20:09linuxstbSee firmware/export/font.h
16:20:22linuxstb(and firmware/font.c for the implementation)
16:22:42DerPapstah ok. so the answer is yes ;-)
16:23:37linuxstbYes ;)
16:27:07kugelSo I just add backlight_set_brightness to apps/plugin.[ch] and it will work? I looked at firmware/export/backlight.h and there's allready a function backlight_set_brightness (I guess I need that)
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16:31:57*DerPapst sucessfully wrote a crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D
16:32:43*petur throws some fish at DerPapst...
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16:34:24DerPapst:-P
16:36:04amiconnpetur: You don't need special functions; just export the brightness setting function
16:36:20amiconnstruct global_settings is exported already
16:36:40peturright
16:37:53amiconnFlashlight just needs to clear the backdrop, set background to white (on non-mono), and set backlight to always on, and maximum brightness (when the target supports setting brighntess)
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16:39:39kugelamiconn: The flashlight plugin on the tracker allready does the first three things
16:39:47kugeljust the maximum brightness isn't included
16:40:50*petur admits using his h380 as flashlight from time to time, but just using the browser (another reason not to use cabbie :) )
16:41:15kugelamiconn: Do you know how I can easily set it to the maximum value without knowing the values for all targets?
16:41:24kugeli.e. backlight_set_brightness(MAX);
16:42:08rasherkugel: maybe check the config-*.h if they set a maximum brightness define?
16:42:20rasherThis is just me guessing, of course.
16:46:00kugelk
16:46:57markunkugel: I also have to look up stuff all the time. I'm sure you'll be able to find your way in the rockbox source tree soon.
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16:47:26kugelye, I've looked in config-e200.h and there's "MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING"
16:47:29DerPapst#define MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING 32
16:47:31DerPapst:-)
16:47:39DerPapstmeh.. too slow :-(
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16:48:06pixelmamarkun: the c200 has also button lights and in contrast to the e200 you can even switch the "center" LEDs individually from the "menu" LED ;)
16:48:13markunkugel: I changed the Gigabeat MAX brightness just a few days ago, so hardcoding would be a bad idea anyway.
16:48:32markunpixelma: nice :)
16:48:37kugelmarkun: sure, that's why I searched for ;)
16:48:49markunalthough I never use the buttonlights on the gigabeat myself
16:49:57kugelLet's see, if my implementation works
16:50:19kugelAren't the devs interested in a flashlight plugin? Could be very usefull in svn
16:52:39LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'm not a dev, but I would be interested in a flashlight plugin.
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16:57:05kugelwell, undefined instruction on the target :/
16:57:29DerPapstyet another crashyourdap.rock plugin :-D
16:57:39kugel:D
16:58:08kugelI didn't even start the plugin
16:58:15DerPapstoh
16:58:15kugelright after boot it crashed
16:58:34kugelwow qt takes ages to compile
16:59:11kugelgood that I have a dual core cpu, else my pc was paralized since about 1.5 hours
16:59:38DerPapstheh...
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17:00:01peturkugel: you put the functions on the same spot in the struct in the plugin.c and .h files?
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17:00:26DerPapsthappens to me every time i compile rockbox.. but luckily only for a few minutes :-P
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17:05:24kugelgreat it works
17:05:52kugelnot sure why I had the undefined instruction, probably due to missing space at extracting rockbox.zip
17:16:20kugelwtf
17:16:27kugelthe tracker won't let me add a comment
17:16:33DerPapstomg
17:17:26kugelok, logging out and in helped
17:17:38kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8285
17:18:50DerPapst /* welcome to the example rockbox plugin */ <−− umm yes....
17:19:56kugelThis is not from me, I just added the stuff to set the brightness to the previous version
17:20:18n1sthe © is wrong too
17:20:43kugel"$Id: helloworld.c 12807 2007-03-16 21:56:08Z amiconn $" hehe
17:21:03kugelI guess it could need some clean-up
17:21:54DerPapstindeed ;-)
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17:24:28pixelmashouldn't the SOURCES entry be guarded by HAVE_BACKLIGHT? Wouldn't make sense and won't build properly for the normal Ondio builds otherwise...
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17:24:59kugelindeed
17:25:26kugeldidn't think about that. Again, I added very little stuff to the previous version
17:26:05DerPapstyou're the last who added someting there, so you earn all the blame :-P
17:26:31kugel=(
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17:27:42kugelhttp://pastebin.ca/891385 <−− better?
17:28:16peturreal names are required....
17:28:36J3TC-A friend of mine is asking how to find out what generation of ipod nano she has
17:28:39DerPapstchange $Id: flashlight.c 16213 2008-02-04 17:22:08Z $ to $ld$
17:28:42J3TC-I don't have ipod so I wouldn't know
17:29:03GodEaterJ3TC-: apple's website provides a handy guide
17:29:10DerPapstJ3TC-: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations
17:29:12J3TC-Ok, thanks
17:29:28J3TC-Ah even better ;d Thanks thanks
17:29:29GodEaterhttp://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
17:34:23kugelpixelma: apps/plugins/CATEGORIES doesn't need to be guarded?
17:34:38DerPapstkugel: no
17:35:36DerPapstit even contains plugins that aren't enabled in SOURCES. the perl script only processes the entry if there is a compiled rock :-)
17:35:49kugelk
17:36:23linuxstbkugel: You should also read the comments in plugin.h about how to add new functions to the plugin API (search for PLUGIN_API_VERSION and read forward)
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17:39:45kugelOh
17:40:49kugelSo that the plugin doesn't crash (but doesn't even start) the player if it's started with an older version of the plugin api? I.e. I switch to an older version of rockbox, and the plugin.rock is still there remaining from the newer version?
17:42:06DerPapstyes. i guess you have to bump the minor version to 100
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17:42:43DerPapstmeaning PLUGIN_API_VERSION
17:43:10kugelSo I bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION to 100, but not PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION since I didn't remove a function?
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17:45:34DerPapstseems like you didn't add the new stuff to the end of the struct so i guess you have to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 as well. but i'm not sure
17:45:54amiconnNew functions should *always* be added to the end
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17:46:46kugelamiconn: Yes, I did that now. But I'm not sure if I need to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to 100 too :/
17:47:01amiconnOnly if an incompatible change is *necessary*, the functions waiting at the end shall be sorted into their respective group, and the minimum version bumped
17:47:04kugelBut I think yes, since I added stuff, and not only changed existing fuctions
17:47:18amiconnnope
17:47:42amiconnThe whole point of adding new functions at the end is to not have to bump the minimum version
17:47:55kugelok
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17:49:12kugelSo, I add the function at the end, do not increase PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION and add a comment, that this function should be moved up on the next necessary bump of PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION
17:49:44amiconnThere should already be a comment in plugin.h up to where the functions are sorted
17:49:56amiconnNew functions should be added below that comment
17:50:20linuxstbSeems we have a lot of "new" functions now...
17:50:53amiconnHmm, but the api version and min version don't differ much
17:51:21GodEatersomeone added a load all in one go ?
17:51:24amiconnSeems like a dev made the api incompatible and forgot to do his homework...
17:51:57linuxstbsvn blame is staring at jhMikeS...
17:52:12DerPapstpoor jhMikeS...
17:57:02kugelIs this one ok now? http://pastebin.ca/891421
17:58:47*DerPapst votes for yes
17:59:38*pixelma mentions petur's "real name" comment again
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18:00:38kugelYou mean I should add the real name in the head of flashlight.c? I just looked into other existing plugins, there wasn't the real name written
18:00:45kugelNo problem though
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18:01:30peturif you insert a copyright, it should not be a nickname
18:01:40petur(imho)
18:01:53jhMikeShuh?
18:02:07kugelpetur: I agree
18:02:12pixelmakugel: I only saw real names in the copyright line when I checked a few right now
18:02:33linuxstbkugel: I guess you're confusing the SVN username included in the $id$ line ?
18:03:18kugelprobably
18:03:46DerPapstah.. and change $ld$ to $Id$ heh.. i was confusinf the small l with the capital I
18:03:55DerPapst*confusing
18:04:10kugelhttp://pastebin.ca/891431 ?
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18:04:31kugelWell, I definitely learned my lesson today
18:04:56DerPapstheh
18:05:13DerPapst"no more rockbox coding"?
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18:05:28*linuxstb wonders if people will want a flashlight plugin in SVN
18:05:48kugelBecause it's great! I often use my e200 as a flash light
18:05:53*petur thinks there are plugins that are far more useless
18:05:58kugelAlso, it doesn't hurt, since it's only a plugin
18:06:12*DerPapst would probably use it if he's to lazy to switch light on
18:06:32peturlinuxstb: just look at the amount of flashlight programs that exist for windows mobile devices
18:06:34kugelOr, if it's too dark to spot the light switcher
18:06:52amiconnFlashlight will be fun on M3....
18:06:52peturkugel: option to add: color chooser
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18:07:02linuxstbpetur: I wouldn't know...
18:07:03DerPapstheh
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18:07:06pixelmaI wouldn't use it myself
18:07:08linuxstbI guess we need remote support as well then? ;)
18:07:16peturlol
18:07:21amiconnIf the remote isn't plugged, there will be no backlight of course. But it could also switch on all status LEDs
18:07:36kugelpetur: what?
18:07:51peturto select a red light (night vision)
18:09:01amiconnlinuxstb: The M3 remote will be handled as the main lcd in rockbox
18:09:22amiconnOtherwise there would be too many special cases (e.g. many plugins don't use the multi screen api)
18:09:53linuxstbSounds sensible.
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18:10:28kugelpetur: Isn't night vision green? Anyway, I assume you're kidding
18:10:43peturno I'm not
18:11:09peturand one normally uses red to not screw up your night vision
18:12:01peturbut because you first have to operate your player to start the plugin, I guess it would be somewhat useless
18:12:50kugelWell, I'm not sure if I get what you're telling me.
18:13:48peturif you use red light, you're not left with that 'all black' feeling when you switch the light off again
18:13:57karashatakugel: red light is easier on eyes that have adjusted to the dark, green light is pretty harsh in those cases
18:14:13peturso you can continue seeing things in the dark after using it
18:14:15iambenand you can develop film while picking new music to play
18:14:23kugelOh, didn't know that
18:15:01peturwould be perfect fos swapping CF crads in the dark, keeps all the images safe :p
18:15:08petur*for
18:15:15petur*cards
18:15:16DerPapsthahahaha
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18:16:50kugelpetur: But why a color picker then? I expect the plugin to be working on the first click, so I assume defaulting to red wold be better
18:17:16DerPapstmaybe scroll through colours?
18:17:49n1s there is already a colorpicker for the core which could be reused
18:18:11pixelmaif you have two colour players set one to green and the other to red and use them as position lights? ;)
18:18:17kugelI don't really want the color to be picked :/ Either red or white.
18:18:21DerPapstnot touching the scroll related buttons -> white; stzarting to scroll from bright red to yellow green blue... and stuff
18:18:42kugelDerPapst: This sounds more like a disco plugin :)
18:18:42*linuxstb senses feature creep ;)
18:19:24n1smake it have a strobe mode!
18:19:33DerPapsthehe
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18:20:47DerPapstyay
18:20:58*DerPapst chrashed his sim again :-D
18:22:12kugellol, just noticed the plugin isn't working with a backdrop :/
18:22:37DerPapstdoesn't clear it?
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18:24:11kugelwell, my scite window just dissapeared
18:26:36kugelShouldn't "rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL);" remove the backdrop?
18:27:26DerPapstyou might have to call rb->lcd_clear_display();
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18:44:23kugelNo, doesn't work
18:44:53DerPapstthen draw a huge rectangle :-P
18:47:27DerPapstrb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); maybe?
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18:49:03amiconnYou need (mostly in that order): rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); rb->lcd_clear_display(); rb->lcd_update();
18:49:17kugelamiconn: Yes, the lcd_update was missing
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18:49:26amiconnOf course, the first 2 only apply if LCD_DEPTH > 1
18:50:28kugelthough, on the sim it's black
18:51:04DerPapstdid you do rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_WHITE); ?
18:51:27kugelYes, of course
18:51:41DerPapsthmm... no idea then...
18:53:53kugelah, on the target it's white
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18:56:19*DerPapst hates UI stuff
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18:56:54DerPapstit's tedious enough already for a single target....
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19:02:30kugelFinally
19:02:56DerPapstalready added the strobe mode and the color stuff?
19:02:59DerPapst:-P
19:03:09kugelno
19:03:16kugelI don't see a need for that stuff
19:03:25kugelfeel free to add it
19:03:29DerPapst</bad_joke>
19:03:32DerPapst-.-
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19:04:35kugelI thought about doing it redish, but then I wondered why normal flashlights don't have red light (and there was no LCD_RED)
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19:05:13DerPapst*cough*LCD_RGBPACK(255,0,0)*cough*
19:05:15DerPapst:-P
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19:05:35rasherStarting red, then moving to full power at the press of a button would be nice
19:06:20kugelI don't really think that red is good
19:07:10kugelIMO the flashlight should give maximum brightness, which is not given using red, is it?
19:07:35jhMikeSred is useful when night viewing starmaps and such :)
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19:08:33DerPapstdude
19:08:53Borg^QueenHi people, quick question, I have a sansa e280, will rockbox work on that (I dont' think its a V2)?
19:08:58jhMikeSawesome
19:09:18n1sBorg^Queen: if it isn't a v2 then rockbox will work just fine
19:09:25rasherkugel: well, do you want a redflashlight.rock?
19:09:37Borg^Queenn1s: thanks
19:09:44kugelrasher: I'm fine with white
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19:09:55rasherkugel: But red is very useful
19:09:56jhMikeSjust have a color setting
19:09:57rasherOh ah
19:10:13rasherjhMikeS: I don't see anyone needing anything but red and "bright"?
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19:10:57kugelweird
19:10:59Borg^Queenthanks people I'll let you know how it goes...
19:11:00jhMikeSrasher: that's all I'm thinking as well since those are actually used commonly
19:11:30kugelI didn't do anything. My firefox (including chatzilla) suddenly dissapeared
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19:12:07DerPapstheh... /me has that too from time to time ^^
19:12:11jhMikeSbut by the time you've navigated to the plugin your night vision is already messed up :)
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19:12:41rasherjhMikeS: That is true... anyway, it could simply switch from white to red on all buttonpresses unless it's the quit button
19:12:56DerPapstnot if you set the backlight brightness to low before :-P
19:14:08kugelFeel free to add it. I have the patch uploaded allready, and I'm not going to add red, since I'm not interested in having red at all
19:14:32peturok, so we will not commit it :p
19:14:53*jhMikeS was just finding a way to rationalize red
19:15:37kugelpetur: Whatever. It doesn't like it's going to be committed anyway.
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19:16:04peturit will, but it will do red ;)
19:16:10Aevumi was wondering
19:16:24kugelYou could add a comment that you want to have red, I'm certain you wil find someone will make the job
19:16:27Aevumif the toshiba gigabit F is supported, why arent the kenwood daps supported ?
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19:16:40Aevumarent they based on the same plataform ?
19:16:45DerPapstjust another 10 lines.. if at all :-P
19:17:08kugelDerPapst: Go ahead.
19:17:47DerPapstmaybe... but not today ;-)
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19:18:10PaulJami'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just create a folder named "flashligt" and put various config files in it, that clear the backdrop, set a colour and the brightness.
19:19:29kugelThe problem is, if we add red to the flashlight, we'd have to bother with keymaps again.
19:19:49Aevumok
19:19:56Aevumill take the no response as we dont know, thank you
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19:20:08rasherkugel: Huh? Just have an "exit" button, and all other buttons switch colours
19:20:42kugelI'd rather have one switches the color, and all others exit
19:20:59kugelprobably a good job for PLA this time
19:21:13LambdaCalculus37Why was that Aevum guy so impatient?
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19:22:13Aevumi was not impatient, but i usualy dont start bothering people who do not wish to answer me
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19:22:52DerPapstmaybe no one of the ones reading the channel currently knows the answer?
19:22:58Aevumexactly
19:23:22Aevumim not going to start spaming my question just incase someone didnt read it, im gonna come later and ask again
19:23:37rasherI think you're both on the same page but don't realise it..
19:23:40DerPapstor wait until someone replies
19:23:41LloreanAevum: The kenwood daps aren't supported because nobody who owns one has done any of the remaining work.
19:23:49DerPapstthat is probably the best way
19:23:51Aevumok, thank you
19:24:11LloreanAevum: If you own one, feel free to pitch in, it's never going to happen until someone who owns one does the work, as with any port.
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19:24:28Aevumim not a coder
19:24:43Aevumi do know kenwood released the source for the kernel as part of the GPL
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19:25:45LambdaCalculus37Aevum: Best thing to do now is to go hunt it down.
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19:26:29LloreanAnd find a forum or location with fans of the player, and find out if they know about Rockbox, and the potential it can add. One way or another, you're going to need an interested developer who owns the player, and the best place to recruit one is from "among people who already have the player"
19:26:42Soap_WorkBuschel: I'm going to get out of work early today - will have new v14 builds up in a few hours from now.
19:26:51Soap_WorkWill also build all the 4G test patches.
19:27:01LambdaCalculus37Plus, if you have any good information about the device already, start a wiki page on the Rockbox site for it.
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19:28:00mewshihi :)
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19:29:20LambdaCalculus37Aevum: Here's a link on the wiki that mentions the Kenwood DAPs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Pre_Development_Ports
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19:31:11Aevumi wonder if i can shove the gigabeat F kernel in it
19:31:24LambdaCalculus37Aevum: Not likely.
19:31:42LambdaCalculus37There may be hardware in the Kenwood DAPs that isn't in the Gigabeat.
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19:32:01Aevumyea
19:32:19mewshiMew?
19:32:22LambdaCalculus37So what you should do is start a wiki page for the Kenwood DAPs, and take Llorean's advice and look for forums dedicated to them.
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19:34:12LambdaCalculus37Ahh, looks like we've got a link to the source for the Kenwood DAPs already: http://www.kenwood.com/gpl/english/hd20ga7_hd30ga9.html
19:34:45gevaertsHow much variance is expected between multiple charges ? I'm doing some battery tests on my c250 (for Buschel's patch and WPS impact), and I'd like to know what kind of error is possible on the measurements
19:35:39Aevumwell, the battery lengh fallows a normal curve
19:35:54Aevuma new battery will take X charges to peak, and then start to drop
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19:36:18BigBambigevaerts: It depends how often the 'disk' in the c200 spins up
19:36:26BigBambiall in inverted commas
19:36:31Aevumaswell, with lithium batteries the indicator tends to get to get decalibrated, so every 4-6 months its recomnended you cycle the batteries
19:36:41Aevumisnt the C200 a sandisk flash player ?
19:36:47BigBambiOn hard drive targets, battery_bench only saves the readings when the disk is spun anyway
19:36:54BigBambiAevum: yes, hence the inverted commas
19:37:04amiconnYes, and on c200/e200 battery_bench doesn't work properly
19:37:23BigBambigevaerts: So the maximum you could lose on a hard drive target in the buffer length
19:37:30gevaertsamiconn: I'm using the patch that's circulating somewhere
19:37:42amiconnWith svn it doesn't write the log at all, and with the hackapatch in the tracker, it logs too often
19:37:43BigBambiamiconn: I thought it didn't, hence all my talk of on hard disk targets :)
19:37:46pixelmaaka "the hack"
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19:40:58Buschelgevaerts: if you do multiple measurements at least the 90-10% runtime should be nearly identical. a full battery bench might suffer from not fully loaded battery and the last entry not being written due to forbidden HDD-access (caused by low voltage)
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19:42:42gevaertsBuschel: I'll do something like that. I really want to find out if the wps runtime impact is as big I seem to see.
19:42:57mewshiHi there :3
19:44:31pixelmamewshi: do you expect all people in the channel to reply now? ;) And if you have a specific question... do as the guidelines say and just ask?
19:45:03mewshino, i just wanna hang out here ^_^'
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19:45:53LambdaCalculus37....
19:46:39markunLambdaCalculus37, Aevum: the Kenwoods firmware upgrade unfortunately works differently from the Gigabeat one, so we first have to figure that out.
19:46:53Aevumha, ok, thank you
19:46:56markunAevum: do you own one?
19:47:06Aevum20gb media ket
19:47:10Aevumkeg
19:47:18LambdaCalculus37markun: I figured. :) Just because the CPU is the same doesn't mean the whole device is the same.
19:47:30Aevumi dont use it anymore for several reasons
19:47:34LambdaCalculus37Aevum: Did you register on the wiki?
19:47:35markunAevum: will you be here in a few minutes? (phone)
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19:47:41Aevumyes
19:47:43Aevumno
19:47:54Aevumill be here, but i havent registed on the wiki
19:48:40LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
19:49:02LambdaCalculus37Now's the best time to start posting up any info that you have about the Kenwood players to the wiki.
19:57:09gevaertsIf I compare the runtime on soap's device_disable build for v16179 with and without WPS, I get a difference of nearly 3 hours (16 hours vs 13 hours).
19:57:48Buschelgevearts: what WPS do you use?
19:58:01DerPapstjust courious... does something like LCD_HSVPACK() exist?
19:58:12gevaertsBuschel: the default one
19:58:20amiconnDerPapst: What should that do??
19:58:44Buschelgevaerts: Cabbie? or the old one with peak meter?
19:58:53DerPapstconvert an hsv value to the internal rgb format? dunno
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19:59:10gevaertsBuschel: The old one. The peak meter probably plays a part here
19:59:54pixelmaBuschel: the all text one is still the default...
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20:00:12Buschelgevaerts: definately. soaps measurements showed a big impact when peakmeter is displayed −− when choosing a WPS without peakmeter the runtime degradation isn't that large
20:00:44Buschelpixelma: ah, ok. I thought it was already changed
20:02:01amiconnDerPapst: LCD_RGBPACK() mainly exists because of the different internal pixel formats. However, HSV->RGB conversion is (1) not pixelformat dependant, so the programmer can convert beforehand and use LCD_RGBPACK(). (2) HSV->RGB depends on what you convert, so such a macro cannot exist in a generic form
20:02:31amiconn(I'm thinking about YUV mostly)
20:02:35DerPapstok
20:03:31gevaertsBuschel: So it probably makes sense not to update the WPS when the backlight is off on devices where the screen is not readable without
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20:09:32Sammy_hi there - just a quick question - I have a 5th generation Ipod video and I was wondering if rockbox can play video???
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20:10:10DerPapstyes. but not as good as the applefirmware and only mpeg1 and 2
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20:10:27scorche|wit can, but on those devices, you will be better off playing video through the original firmware
20:10:39Sammy_so no avi, divx etc
20:10:45scorche|wavi sint a format
20:10:53scorche|wwell, it isnt a video format
20:10:54Sammy_.avi
20:10:58DerPapstit's a container
20:11:12scorche|wmeaning it can contain any number of different video types
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20:11:23DerPapstfor e.g. divx, xvid, bla, blubb
20:11:36DerPapsts/for//
20:11:40Sammy_pitty
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20:12:12Sammy_wud be handy not to have to convert video
20:12:14scorche|wnot really...you typically need to re-encode for a portable device anyway, so why not change to mpeg 2 while you are at it?
20:12:19BigBambiSammy_: Why? They are harder to decode and you need to re-encode to the correct screen size anyway
20:12:30BigBambiscorche|w wins
20:12:45Sammy_well the zen videos play most
20:12:46scorche|was i said, you would ahve to anyway....good luck trying to play a 1080p video on your ipod :)
20:12:52Sammy_without converting
20:12:53BigBambiSammy_: So
20:12:53amiconnI'm not so sure anymore that mpeg4 is harder to decode than mpeg2. Given that many mobile support mpeg4 only...
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20:13:14preglowit is harder to decode than mpeg2
20:13:17BigBambiSammy_: Do you just copy straight on, or do you have to use a management program?
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20:13:19Sammy_not hard its a pain in the ass
20:13:26*BigBambi bets it is converted as you sync
20:13:27preglownot necessarily by much, but it always is
20:13:36scorche|wSammy_: and how do you get teh video on there?...typically the software converts it without making it apparent to the user that it is formatting
20:13:45preglowamiconn: don't be surprised if that mobile support is hardware accelerated...
20:13:46*scorche|w is slow today =/
20:14:06Sammy_no zen can have it just dropped in
20:14:08BigBambiscorche|w: 1:1 :)
20:14:15Sammy_no conversion
20:14:19markunAevum: I have an UPDATE.DAT file from the Kenwood firmware update, but have not been able to decrypt it
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20:14:28markunAre there any firmware files on the HDD of the player?
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20:14:52Sammy_vlc player on rockbox wud be excellent
20:15:00BigBambiSammy_: Not going to happen
20:15:17markunAlso, Kenwood is very proud of the special 'digital amplifier' used in these players. I don't know if those have a DAC integrated, but I haven't been able to find any more info on them.
20:15:22BigBambiThe iPod for instance has dual 80 MHz CPUs
20:15:27scorche`and how would you propose doing that?
20:15:35Aevumlet me check
20:15:35markunMaybe you could take some pictures of the motherboard so wel can find out more about it?
20:15:50BigBambiSammy_: Try resizing a video on the fly with that whilst decoding a demanding format
20:15:53scorche`Sammy_: this sint your desktop computer...this is an embedded device..
20:16:13BigBambiSammy_: Try being reasonable, and understanding the capabilities of the devices
20:16:26Aevumthere were some pictures posted on head-fi
20:16:49Sammy_i know but thats what id like from an ipod shud be so easy - wasters in apple and microsoft - fools
20:16:54markunAevum: on the Gigabeats there is a GBSYSTEM folder. It's hidden and marked as system, so you have to change some settings in explorer (if you use windows) to see it.
20:17:03*BigBambi gives up
20:17:09scorche`Sammy_: eh?...that doesnt make any sense...
20:17:12Aevumtheres a KWSYSTEM folder, hidden
20:17:16Sammy_it does
20:17:26BigBambiNo, it doesn't
20:17:32Aevumtheres a FW subdirectory
20:17:33BigBambiTry to express it differently
20:17:36Sammy_make a player that plays most formats deal done
20:17:45Sammy_simple
20:17:53markunAevum: could you zip that folder and host it somewhere for me? Attach it in the forum for example
20:17:55BigBambiSo if it is so simple, why isn't it done
20:18:02scorche`you would need to vastly increase the power in such devices which would increase the price by a few hundred dollars...
20:18:02BigBambiI'll give you a clue - price
20:18:07*GodEater_ wants a Mr. Fusion. Also simple. Not.
20:18:12Sammy_cus they want to sell u crap from their store
20:18:16BigBambiNo, price
20:18:16scorche`BigBambi: i see me as winning that one? =)
20:18:20Sammy_as .mp4
20:18:25BigBambiscorche`: 2:1
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20:18:44amiconnSammy_: With video, it simply doesn't make sense to support playing resolutions larger than the lcd. And since that means you have to convert anyway, it also doesn't make sense to support many formats
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20:18:57amiconnThat's *very* different from audio format support
20:18:58Aevummarkun, ok
20:19:05BigBambiscorche|w: You can only win if you stay on-line :)
20:19:07Sammy_it does really cus ipods ave a tv out function
20:19:12Sammy_which i use
20:19:16markunAevum: or maybe DCC it
20:19:18BigBambiSammy_: Could you try using English?
20:19:27Aevummarkun, give me a sec
20:19:33LambdaCalculus37Sammy_: And try to make some sense when you speak.
20:19:47markunpoor sammy
20:19:48Sammy_dry ur eyes
20:19:51amiconnTV out doesn't work in rockbox (and neither in ipl afaik)
20:19:56bluebrotherTV out doesn't work in Rockbox.
20:20:05austrian_webguesare you twins ;)
20:20:08amiconnThere's an echo in here ;)
20:20:30Sammy_i never said it did
20:20:35preglowtv out will work on gigabeat s, i hope
20:20:42Sammy_i was talking about ipods in general
20:20:55scorche|wSammy_: well, this is #rockbox...anything else is offtopic
20:21:04BigBambiIn that case most ipods don't have tv out
20:21:19Sammy_not really considering it would be usefull on it
20:21:27Sammy_thats all im saying#
20:21:28DerPapst wonder what tv out has to do with different resolutions and video codecs :-S
20:21:29BigBambiSammy_: Feel free to implement it
20:21:50amiconnSomeone with enough interest in TV out would need to make it work. And that most probably means he'd also have to figure out how to use the broadcom chip for video decoding
20:22:07markunDerPapst: the TV-out of the Gigabeat S supports much higher resolutions than the 240x320 of the LCD
20:22:07amiconnDerPapst: Well, TV out supports more than 320x240
20:22:12Sammy_derpapst was making two main points you fool
20:22:13markunecho..
20:22:27LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Without any documentation, that may not happen any time soon.
20:22:29scorche|wSammy_: play nice...
20:22:33BigBambiSammy_: If you are not going to be polite, leave
20:22:34markunscorche|w: am I the fool?
20:22:44Aevummarkun, im going to DCC the file to you
20:22:44markuneh, that was for Sammy_ :)
20:22:48markunAevum: thanks
20:22:54scorche|wsuuure :)
20:22:58amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Depends. There's also no documentation for the PP chips, and given that rockbox already runs fairly well
20:23:20LambdaCalculus37Sammy_: If you've got problems with the Rockbox devs, feel free to leave this channel.
20:23:51amiconnIt will require some really low-level work though (disassembling the main OF, and perhaps even watching it run using JTAG - if that's possible on the G5)
20:24:05Aevummarkun, have you accepted the file ?
20:24:13DerPapstmarkun: so on the iPod (640x480 iirc) however you have to reencode the videos for the OF either...
20:24:24austrian_webguesWhere is this discussion leading to anyway? The CPUs aren't fast enough, so even Sammy co
20:24:32austrian_webgues*uln't make it work
20:24:36Sammy_dont have a prob. was just making a valid point until i received a few idiotic responses
20:24:56BigBambiaustrian_webgues: He could in the iPod video if he figured out how to use the Broadcom chip
20:24:57Sammy_seems people dont want to discuss new ideas
20:24:59scorche|wthose responses were rational and your point was not valid...
20:25:07JdGordon|wthis is our channel though... so by definition they couldnt be idiotic responses
20:25:10DerPapstindeed
20:25:14amiconnSammy_: These ideas aren't new at all
20:25:16BigBambiSammy_: New ideas that are do-able, sure
20:25:28BigBambiNot ones that come up all the time and are not feasible
20:25:32Sammy_you know what i meant
20:25:34amiconnThey were discussed a dozen timnes, at least
20:25:41BigBambiSammy_: Not really
20:25:42scorche|wSammy_: one cant just magically wish the ipods to have a more powerful processor
20:25:45austrian_webguesThis idea has been rejected before, for exactly the same reasons
20:25:47Sammy_then ur an ass
20:25:51amiconnCheck the channel logs if you want to find out
20:25:52LambdaCalculus37Sammy_: Oi!
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20:26:01DerPapstbye...
20:26:06JdGordon|waaww
20:26:18scorche|wyou cna be muted for 10 min while you have a chance to look over the guidelines
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20:26:36DerPapstfinally -.-
20:26:40*scorche|w had the ban line on the clipboard :)
20:26:48DerPapsthehe
20:26:51kugelbluebrother: Hi, can you tell my why I can't compile rbutil? I followed the steps in the wiki
20:27:00markunAevum: see your PM..
20:27:14*amiconn wonders whether iol is the irish twin of aol :/
20:27:19bluebrotherkugel: on windows?
20:27:19LambdaCalculus37Hooray for the brave work of scorche|w! :)
20:27:29BigBambiamiconn: haha :)
20:27:36kugelbluebrother: No, linux (ubuntu 7.10)
20:27:37DerPapsthehehe
20:27:47pixelmabluebrother: GodEater also reported problems...
20:27:49kugelI have qt version 4.3.3 installed
20:28:19bluebrotherand you're sure you're running qt4 qmake I guess?
20:28:23DerPapstkugel: maybe you have the same problem like GodEater a couple of hours ago?
20:28:37pixelma(must be in today's logs somwhen in afternoon)
20:28:45austrian_webguesDo you have build-essential
20:28:47austrian_webgues?
20:28:48bluebrothermom, phone
20:29:15austrian_webguesCan any one of you help me with a coding problem? It's quite strange, I've already opened a thread in the "coding" forum and attached my source code.
20:29:38kugelDerPapst: What do you mean? Can't find recent IRC logs where GodEater speaks
20:29:53austrian_webguesEssentially I cannot call a function that is declared inside of plugin.h although I've included plugin.h...
20:30:10kugeloops
20:31:31kugelNo, it's not the same issue
20:32:05kugelI had the "no rule to make rbspeex" before I updated to qt 4.3.3 properly
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20:32:41*bluebrother back
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20:33:46kugelbluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/891589
20:33:55GodEater_kugel: I had to fix a line in the Makefile that had been changed to somethinf referring to qt3 specific after I upgrade my version of qmake
20:34:08amiconnaustrian_webgues: You *must not* call any core functions directly. You have to use the plugin api
20:34:38GodEater_kugel: You're lacking the usb.h
20:34:47GodEater_probably from libusb-dev not being installed
20:34:55bluebrotherkugel: do you have libusb (and the dev package) installed?
20:34:58bluebrotherGodEater_: beat me ;-)
20:35:07GodEater_\o/
20:35:34kugelI don't think so
20:35:55bluebrotherwell, you need it.
20:36:02austrian_webguesamiconn: What do you mean?
20:36:08kugelwhich one do I need? libusb0 or libusb-0.1.4
20:36:41kugelthat could've been mentioned in the wiki imo
20:37:15austrian_webguesamiconn: The plugin api does not allow me to load another plugin, which is what I need to do.
20:37:34amiconnYou simply cannot do that
20:37:48*bluebrother is just adding this to the wiki page
20:38:08austrian_webguesIs there any way I can start another plugin AFTER my plugin has ended?
20:38:24austrian_webguesSo only one plugin is running?
20:38:26GodEater_libusb-0.1.4
20:38:29GodEater_and libusb-dev
20:38:35amiconnNot atm. It could be added, but that function would need to reside in the core
20:38:45kugelGodEater_: thanks, libusb0 didn't work anyway :)
20:38:50GodEater_:)
20:39:16amiconnIt could actually be rather simple. There could be one function (or simply a char array) in the plugin api that takes the name of the new plugin to run
20:39:30kugelhmm there're many warnings about unused parameters
20:39:41bluebrotherI know ...
20:39:47amiconnThen a special return value of the old plugin would tell the core that the new plugin should be loaded
20:39:52kugelok, it compiled now
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20:41:35austrian_webguesSince my knowledge of rockbox is very limited, I don't want to change the "core" of it.
20:41:48austrian_webguesI only want to display some text...
20:42:14JdGordon|wwhy do you need two pluygins running?
20:42:16DerPapstcan't you do that in the same plugin then?
20:42:50austrian_webguesI'd have to implement scrolling etc.
20:42:59JdGordon|wwhy?
20:43:07bluebrotherGodEater_: just checked the logs for your rbutil issue. You're sure you used Qt4's qmake?
20:43:21austrian_webguesMy plugin extracts the lyrics from a mp3 file and displays them.
20:43:25kugelhmm, the archieved version is actually newer than the current build. Is that normalß
20:43:27kugel?
20:43:31bluebrotherHappened to me a couple of times I used the wrong version.
20:44:07n1skugel: that's because no code commits were made yesterday, or today so far
20:44:30kugelBut, shouldn
20:44:36JdGordon|waustrian_webgues: are you doing it with timestamps? you could easily use the list widget to show the text once its loaded from the file
20:44:37austrian_webguesSince it has to display more lines than the screen can show, it has to be scrollable...
20:44:46kugelBut shouldn't the current build at least as new as the archieved build?
20:44:52kugelif not, even newer?
20:44:53n1sor rather that the daily is built regardless of amount of commits
20:44:56JdGordon|wseen as lines are fairly narrow in songs that shuold work fine
20:44:57austrian_webgues@jdgordon: how?
20:45:15austrian_webguesI've never worked with lists
20:45:24n1skugel: if the archived is newer they will be the same code
20:45:24austrian_webguesthis is my first rockbox project!
20:45:27JdGordon|wthey are simple... look at the text editor plugin
20:45:39kugeln1s: ok
20:45:43*scorche|w seems to remember a certain other rockbox project..
20:45:59pixelmaaustrian_webgues: do you also know of the 2 patches in the tracker related to viewing lyrics?
20:46:10JdGordon|wapparently there are 2 austrian coders?
20:46:25austrian_webguesI'm not the "famous" austian_coder
20:46:26scorche|wit is possible..
20:46:36scorche|wah...i assumed :)
20:47:02austrian_webguesI know of the 2 patches in the tracker - but one that displays the unsynced lyrics does not work.
20:47:40austrian_webguesThe extracting of the lyrics itself works perfectly, but I can't display them!
20:48:33GodEater_bluebrother: I *was* using qt3's qmake
20:48:44GodEater_I upgraded it, and removed whatever junk it had left in the Makefile
20:48:47GodEater_and now rbutil builds
20:48:51GodEater_problem solved
20:49:48DerPapstyay.. a colour fader :-D
20:50:10DerPapstusing ugly floats... but well....
20:50:25Buschelsoap: next time you update the "devices disables" forum entry you can prune it. I've got all the information saved.
20:50:57bluebrotherGodEater_: on my system I need to run qmake-qt4. After that it simply works
20:51:18GodEater_I don't think I have any such binary
20:51:25GodEater_qmake -v returns the correct version now
20:51:52kugelBuschel: did you read my question?
20:52:38Buschelkugel: I answered it about an hour before, you didn't receive it? -> go for the latest v14
20:53:04kugelBuschel: Oh sorry, my chat client crashed few times today
20:54:57*amiconn reminds kugel that there are channel logs
20:55:17kugelamiconn: I asked him in a private chat
20:55:25amiconnah
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21:00:39amiconnCrashing clients are nasty... fortunately my currently used (for years) client never crashed so far
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21:05:14kugelpixelma: Could also be the reason ;)
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21:05:59soapBuschel, cool, just got home
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21:30:18soapBuschel, I was going to continue to use the older SVN version due to the (unknown cause of) battery issues with latest SVN.
21:32:35knittlhow much are the chances i will still get a sansa v1? i ordered it today on amazon...
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21:35:10knittlif it's a v2 however, i'd like to help out with testing and such, since i'd really love to see rockbox on it :)
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21:39:15DerPapsti doubt the chances are very high....
21:39:58LambdaCalculus37knittl: Did you buy it new?
21:40:01knittlverdammt >.<
21:40:10knittlLambdaCalculus37: yep...
21:40:24LambdaCalculus37Then you're most likely going to get a v2.
21:40:39knittlshame...
21:41:54LambdaCalculus37Yes, quite. Rockbox may not be working on the v2 Sansas for quite some time.
21:42:09Aveoh no, theres a sansa v2? bah
21:42:36LambdaCalculus37Ave: Yes, and they have a totally different chipset inside compared to the v1 Sansas.
21:42:55LambdaCalculus37So the v2 models are out of the Rockbox loop.
21:43:50Aveyea yea, as with ipod nano
21:43:54Avesadness ensues
21:44:08Avefeels like I'm SOL when my nano 1st gne dies
21:45:08knittlwell count on me with helping out, whenever possible
21:45:20LambdaCalculus37Ave: eBay?
21:45:21amiconnUnlike nano, I'd say
21:45:40amiconnThe nano is heavily protected with fully encrypted firmware etc
21:45:41Aveold ipod with dead battery aint too funny
21:46:00LambdaCalculus37No, I mean go onto eBay to get another player.
21:46:01Avemine is suffering from battery old age more than anything else, suppose its possible to change it yourself tho
21:46:05Avenew?
21:46:06DerPapstis there any rockbox target that is still in production?
21:46:26Avealso I wouldnt mind more memory
21:46:31LambdaCalculus37I'm afraid not.
21:46:49amiconnThe v2 Sansas have a fairly high chance of getting rockbox ported to it - provided someone steps forward and starts porting
21:47:03amiconns/it/them/
21:47:03DerPapstthe e200v1 was the last one then...
21:47:04LambdaCalculus37Amiconn: Ditto the Views.
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21:47:35*amiconn would be more interested in the Sansa clip (?) or the c200 v2 than the view or e200 v2
21:47:56amiconnThe view and the e200 are simply too big for a flash player
21:48:33JdGordon|wI think the e200's only problem is its too fat
21:49:10*DerPapst likes the e200
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21:49:40markunamiconn: I read good things about the clip
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21:50:46amiconnHmm, the clip has no card slot. So the express might be more interesting
21:51:35amiconnThe clip's wheel is another con
21:54:06*amiconn wonders whether the express also uses the ams chip
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21:59:53kugelsomeone said the clip has to little RAM for rockbox
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22:00:12knittlwell, i'm off for tonight
22:00:17knittlcu soon
22:00:22JdGordon|wyeah its only got 512kib or something doesnt it?
22:01:06linuxstbamiconn: I can't remember how I found it out, but I think the Express has a STMP3600 - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0005.shtml
22:01:18amiconnpetur: The peakmeter does indeed have problems on the remote
22:01:27amiconnI even have a suspicion why....
22:02:23peturwhich is?
22:02:58amiconnThe peakmeter is simply not prepared for multi-screen
22:03:13JdGordon|wits not?
22:03:17amiconnThere is a reason why the default rwps has no peakmeter
22:04:16amiconnHmm, looks like it is...
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22:07:30amiconnIn the recording screen, it looks like the remote peakmeter is updating, but much slower than the main one. After some time it stops updating completely
22:07:42amiconnThat is *without* ticking reduction enabled, on H180
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22:09:22amiconnAlso happens on H340
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22:10:02peturhow long is 'some time'?
22:10:24amiconnOn H340 it's even worse: as soon as the main lcd backlight goes off, the remote peakmeter stops updating
22:10:34amiconnNot sure, only observed that once
22:11:09amiconnCould just have been extreme clipping in conjunction with the slow update (I'm testing with the internal mic, making some funny noises ;) )
22:11:55amiconnSame on X5 as well (without the H300 effect)
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22:19:10Horschtfor creating ipod builds, I do not need sh-elf-gcc, correct?
22:19:25Bagdercorrect
22:19:29Bagderjust the arm-* one
22:19:35Horschtnice, thank you
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22:21:26linuxstbBagder: Do you know if anyone has tested installing modified firmwares on any of the V2 models? (e.g. changing some strings)
22:21:44Bagderthere have been some tests
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22:22:06Bagderthe first was a bit silly since the (first) checksum only covers the start of the file
22:22:18Bagderand the modified strings were outside of that
22:22:33Bagderbut since then we've learned more about the firmware format
22:22:48amiconnlinuxstb: Bah. But maybe there's an Express v2 as well, given that the Sansa website mentions audible support....
22:23:03Buschelsoap: it would be interesting to give the actual svn at least a chance. there has been a fix (rev 16197) by jhMikeS which may help with the high battery consumption of 5G 60/80GB. someone should test it.
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22:23:06amiconnAfaik, the STMP3600 is pretty limited and only does mp3 and wma
22:23:20soapBuschel, will make that then as well.
22:23:42Buschelsoap: great. maybe you or horscht could give it a try?
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22:24:08Buscheli cannot see any influence on my ipod...
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22:24:14linuxstbamiconn: It should be quite capable - "ARM926EJ-S CPU with dual caches, embedded SRAM..." - http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/audio/stmp3600.aspx
22:24:15soapjust finishing up the 15975 builds - took me a while to back-sync the patch.
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22:24:21Bagderlinuxstb: the main remaining obstacle on the v2s is the lack of a known recovery mode
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22:24:43Buschelsoap: will you prune the thread?
22:24:48soapBuschel, is it your understanding that only the 5th gen iPod was suffering?
22:24:54amiconnHmm. Am I mixing up something?
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22:25:01soapOh yea - I will prune the thread to keep the focus.
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22:25:20HorschtI will test the build, if soap compiles, Buschel :p
22:25:29linuxstbamiconn: Possibly... Sigmatel have both DSP-based chips and ARM-based chips IIUC.
22:25:35HorschtI am still trying to create a build environment :)
22:25:38soapHorscht, working on it now - and working on the thread - will shout when it is done.
22:25:58Buschelsoap: no, as far as i understood all multicore targets suffered. but from the measurements the 5G 60/80GB suffered the most.
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22:26:16amiconnAh, yes. It was the one used in the 1st Gen shuffle - the STMP3550, which is DSP 56K based
22:26:17linuxstbBagder; No kind of usb boot mode mentioned in the datasheet?
22:26:25Bagderlinuxstb: nopes
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22:27:13soaphmm, then we're going to have three tests to request of people. post 16197vs15975, your iPod 4th patches, and DDv14 vs stock.
22:27:22crzyboysterrasher: I am currently working on an update to the Hindi translation, but I would like to know how to make it so that the translation doesn't show up as translated when it is still in english?
22:28:14crzyboysterLike right now on the font translation page, it says that the Hindi translation is pretty much finished when it isn't. I am assuming that this is because the strings are in english?
22:29:13JdGordon|wcrzyboyster: which langueages do you actually speak? im curios
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22:29:18Buschelsoap: wasn't the bug in svn that the HDD took very long time to buffer into RAM? if so, you could check in short time.
22:29:35oboAny ideas on how to work out how a firmware was encrypted? I have the crypt, the plain, and the win32 app that decrypts it...
22:29:44crzyboysterI speak Hindi, English and am learning Spanish
22:30:13JdGordon|wk
22:30:13Bagderobo: if not hours of looking and testing works out, disassembly...
22:30:17crzyboysterAnd what do you mean by "actually"? Are you doubting my fluency?
22:30:40soapBuschel, then I will test that, and hold the 15xxx builds back unless they are found to be needed.
22:30:52Bagdercrzyboyster: are you saying that the Hindi phrases are identical to the english ones?
22:31:10Buschelsoap: could save some time on building and for the testers of course ;-)
22:31:52crzyboysterNo. That was my first translation and I managed to leave the untranslated strings in English. Is there a way to define the nontranslated (or unable to be translated) strings as "undefined"?
22:32:10Bagderobo: you have the encryped + decrypted versions somewhere for us to have a look?
22:33:04oboBagder: I don't have that much webspace - it's 35Mb ish...
22:33:49linuxstbobo: What firmware is it?
22:33:59obolinuxstb: Sansa Connect
22:34:15linuxstbWhat CPU is that ?
22:34:24oboTi DM320
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22:36:56Bagderobo: so how come you have an "unknown" win prog that decrypts it?
22:37:26HorschtBuschel, what needs testing, btw?
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22:38:23Buschelhorscht: if actual svn still shows degraded runtime on the video ipods
22:38:39oboBagder: it's the recovery util - it takes the crypt and sends it over USB to the DAP, in plain text
22:38:58Bagderah, haha interesting solution...
22:39:24Horschtso, soap will build a recent svn with your latest patch, and I'll battery bench it again, to see wether or not it is far off the last results with 15xxx builds?
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22:40:16oboBagder: I know it's not a simple XOR, and I don't think it's a trivial ROL/ROR either (he says with a page full of 0s and 1s)
22:40:26linuxstbobo: I'm guessing you don't really need to identify the encryption method then? Just write your own usb upload tool instead?
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22:41:27obolinuxstb: I need the file format that they've used - one of the recovery utils combines two input files somehow
22:41:33BuschelI guess soap will first check, if the actual svn still shows very long HDD-activity while buffering (this may caused the loss in runtime).
22:43:28obolinuxstb: one of the files that is sent is a plain .tar.gz - the other two are a linux kernel and initrd, in a custom file format
22:43:40Buschelhorscht: you can also check a svn with 16103 < rev < 16197 against svn rev >= 16197
22:43:58Buschelhorscht: via using the daily builds
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22:45:42KartiHi all, just a quick one.....if i have an Ipod, Rockbox will replace the OS on it and I will be able to play all sorts of variant ttune types from Ogg, mp3 etc
22:46:00Horschtwell, I have a bench of 15975 and one of 16150
22:46:11Horschtbut that's PCFv03 vs DDv13
22:46:20pixelmaBagder: palmtopia.de still seems to be misssing zip, the Recorder v2 is some revisions behind...
22:46:21markunKarti: depends on which ipod you have
22:46:34Bagderpixelma: ok, I'm disabling it
22:47:16markunKarti: on the frontpage you can see which ones we support: http://www.rockbox.org/
22:47:37markunand here you can see what rockbox does: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
22:47:44Horscht16150 I also benched unpatched
22:47:47Kartimarkun: looking at buying one one of the Ipod Nano
22:48:21Kartimarkun: So I would have to get one of teh first generation nanos
22:48:22Horschtso, benching >= 16197 unpatched should show wether or not svn still shows degrading
22:48:27Buschelhorscht: as far as i understood the failure is the following: the HDD is active for about 1min to buffer the audio files into RAM −− this consumes a lot of power and should happen with 16103 < rev < 16197. With rev >= 16197 there should be checked, if this still happens. So, there may be no full bench neccessary.
22:48:36markunKarti: yes, that's the only one rockbox runs on
22:48:55markunand it's not likely that it will run on the the 2nd or 3rd gen anytime soon
22:49:34Horschtso, I would get a recent build, and load a playlist and check, how long the HD spins?
22:49:39HorschtBuschel
22:50:07Buschelhorscht: yep, and compare this to an older svn <16197
22:50:28Horschtok, that's something i can do right now
22:51:00Kartimarkun: Many thanks....final question, can I return the ipod to its original apple state at any time?
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22:51:42markunyes, you can always revert back and it's also possible to dual boot
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22:52:38Kartimarkun: thanks
22:54:07markunBagder: I have an encryption puzzle: the Kenwood HD20GA7 firmware files
22:54:35markuninterested?
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22:55:19Bagderdidn't I already look at that before?
22:55:28Bagdera hard nut afair
22:55:38markunI think only at the firmware update files
22:56:00Bagderobo: so which file pair is the encryped/decrypted for comparison?
22:56:01markunbut now I have the firmware files themselves
22:58:04oboBagder: assets.tar.gz and yeverest_zap_ota_rel_ext_prod_1.1.1.50371.tar.gz.e, sent via zaprecover.exe
22:59:20Bagderand for the rest, obo's files are now here => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/connect/
22:59:56oboBagder: the everest_initrd and everest_vmlinux are sent via zsi_fw.exe - I'm hoping that the encryption is the same on both, but have no proof one way or the other
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23:02:51Buschelgotta leave for real life now, see you tomorrow.
23:03:24Buschelhorscht: just place your results here or in the forum thread, i'll check for it
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23:16:53kugelDerPapst: Nice work, but PLA would've shorten your work
23:17:20DerPapstPLA?
23:17:31DerPapstand thanks :-)
23:17:35kugelplugin lib action
23:17:53kugelit basically simplifies the buttom mapping
23:18:04DerPapstheh.. i couldn't bother to figure out how it is useD :_P
23:18:18kugelit's the more usefull the less buttons are used
23:18:49kugelI don't get your algorithm though, which colors are acutally available now?
23:18:52DerPapstinfact, it took maybe 5 minutes to whipe those keydefinitions up. :-P
23:19:44DerPapstonly the bright ones a transition from red to orange, yellow, green, blue, pink and red again
23:19:44Bagderobo: an interesting observation: the byte distribution of the encrypted file is very evenly distributed, while it isn't as even with the original
23:20:16kugelDerPapst: I think it's overkilled
23:20:26Bagdernot that it helps much...
23:20:57kugelI was hardly with red, but you did something insane there :O
23:21:08DerPapstkugel: i'm using HSV to do that. so i only have to change the hue value and keep saturation and value at the maximum value...
23:21:18DerPapstas i said... it can be optimized ;-)
23:21:40DerPapsti think it's fun... :-P
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23:22:19DerPapstand it was a good training for one of my exams next week anyways..
23:22:21Bagderobo: interesting string in zaprecover: "SHA-256 part of OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005"
23:23:07oboBagder: same string in zsi_fw
23:23:10Bagdernot that sha256 is a crypto algorithm, but it would hint that it might be used somehow
23:23:17kugelDerPapst: You put the rb->"lcd_update();" into the HAVE_LCD_COLOR
23:23:26Bagderit's a hash algo
23:24:04kugelthat means it won't work on non-color targets
23:24:43DerPapstkugel: oops :-)
23:24:53DerPapstthere has to be one right below #else /* HAVE_LCD_COLOR */
23:25:09kugelalso, your action definitions and switch construction doesn't look very well to me
23:25:32DerPapstthe only way it worked....
23:26:03DerPapstotherwise it'd quit without you wanting it to quit.
23:26:05kugelwhy do you even define both FLASHLIGHT_NEXT and FLASHLIGHT_RIGHT vor scrollwheel targets?
23:26:33DerPapstor i'd have to define a FLASHLIGHT_QUIT thingy...
23:26:40kugelonly 1 will do fine, you don't need to have both scrollwheel and left/right to do the same
23:27:00DerPapstbecause i want to use the scroolwheel _and_ the left - right buttons
23:27:55kugelwhatever, but you still need to put rb->lcd_clear_display(); and rb->lcd_update outside of the HAVE_LCD_COLOR stuff
23:28:14kugelDerPapst: To be honest, I think your patch lacks of simplicity :)
23:28:23DerPapstsome have to be in the do {} while loop
23:28:30DerPapsthehe
23:28:44kugelwould like to see it running though :( I don't have time to compile atm
23:28:47DerPapstfor the colour transition to work..
23:28:55DerPapstheh
23:29:41DerPapsti haven't added the plugin lib patches.. otherwise i could send you the rock...
23:30:45kugelNah
23:34:33Horschtwow, soap, you're fast :p
23:34:38Horschtnn
23:34:41soapI had them ready and waiting.
23:34:46DerPapstkugel: fixed :-)
23:34:58*Bagder discovers http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/
23:35:01soapthanks for the quantitative test, Horscht
23:35:16Horschtnp, I try helping where I can
23:35:36Horschtanyways, as I said. nn. gotta go to bed.
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23:36:37kugelDerPapst: Lol, why did you just put those lines before the #ifdef HAVE LCD_COLOR? :)
23:36:46linuxstbBagder; Nice ;)
23:36:51Bagderlike this: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-2.6-audioplus.git;a=tree;f=sound/soc/imx;h=6ec3997d4a71000172a828f83e8fa0a496be4c59;hb=imx31
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23:36:54kugelah i see
23:37:06Bagdernot that we have a wm8350 (yet)
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23:38:21DerPapstkugel: heh :-)
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