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#rockbox log for 2008-02-05

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00:12:06DerPapstgood night at all :-)
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00:28:13LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Here?
00:29:07LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: Around?
00:30:04linuxstb_LambdaCalculus37: Just about.
00:30:30LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: I have both Rio Karma CDs.
00:30:53LambdaCalculus37Doesn't look good, though. :(
00:31:16linuxstb_I not that surprised...
00:31:26LambdaCalculus37There's no source diffs on either CD.
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00:32:40linuxstb_Does any of the documentation mention ecos/
00:32:41linuxstb_?
00:33:08LambdaCalculus37Let me look again.
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00:34:58Gr34t3stcan anyone help me with a 30g iPod video with rockbox?
00:35:27scorche|wnot really....unless you were planning on telling us what issue you are having :)
00:35:38LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: I don't see any mention of either eCos OR RHEPL.
00:35:51Gr34t3stMy girlfriend can't charge her iPod with rockbox now.
00:36:06linuxstb_Here are some interesting comments about ecos - http://www.riovolution.com/index.php?s=06ae7d13998a4d29aa2c6c7098fbcaa4&showtopic=3605&st=30
00:36:08Gr34t3stWhen she plugs in her iPod to a charging dock or to her computer it doesn't connect and charge.
00:37:10scorche|wGr34t3st: well, it shouldnt connect, but it still should charge
00:37:29Gr34t3stwhen she plugs it in it doesn't do either. It stays off.
00:38:48Gr34t3stwe would simple uninstall it but she can't even turn it on.
00:39:11linuxstb_Hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds to reset it. Sometimes ipods don't like to turn themselves on.
00:39:53LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: According to RHEPL, "The license does not require users to release the source code of any applications that are developed with eCos."
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00:40:26Gr34t3stYou're a life saver. She was getting ready to kill me.
00:40:34linuxstb_LambdaCalculus37: I know. But it requires them to release the source code to modified parts of ecos itself to both RedHat and anyone who they distribute a binary to.
00:40:35Gr34t3stThanks a ton man. :D kudos
00:40:38linuxstb_(IIUC)
00:41:25linuxstb_LambdaCalculus37: And all they did was to give that patch to RedHat - not to users...
00:41:33LambdaCalculus37linuxstb_: Yes, you're right! Next sentence: "However, if anybody makes any changes to code covered by the eCos license, or writes new files derived in any way from eCos code, then we believe that the entire user community should have the opportunity to benefit from this."
00:42:01LambdaCalculus37Well, GodEater did try to ask on the eCos discussion list, but to no avail.
00:42:34linuxstb_I know - he asked for help in tracking down that patch, and I guess no-one knew anything about it...
00:42:57linuxstb_But I think it's definitely worth trying to contact rioaudio.com - they're still distributing firmware binaries.
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00:43:51linuxstb_Or not... Seems rioaudio,com is empty...
00:44:16LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: They switched to digitalnetworksusa.com, methinks.
00:44:45linuxstb_That site doesn't work either...
00:44:55linuxstb_rioaudio.com worked a week or two ago.
00:44:58LambdaCalculus37http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/rioaudio/default.asp?cat=35
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00:45:29linuxstb_Ah yes, that site works.
00:45:40LambdaCalculus37Back later... dinner.
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01:04:53Gr34t3stWhy do some of the wps files act like rockbox's original wps?
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01:06:53krazykitGr34t3st, they're either out of date or require unsupported patches
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01:38:54LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: No general contact emails for Rio.
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01:46:41*LambdaCalculus37 is wondering where to go to find out about eCos source diffs
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01:52:33saratogado we want spec sheets for anything samsung makes?
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01:54:52LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Anything, you say? ;)
01:55:25saratogawe'll see
01:57:36amiconnmrf
01:57:54*amiconn doesn't understand why his linux box became so slow when building rockbox
01:58:09amiconnMore than 4 minutes for an H300 build :(
01:59:22amiconnKernel 2.6.24 problem?
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02:01:33amiconnHmm, or ccache effect :\
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02:18:14tessaraktthe original SanDisk firmware is crap
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02:22:41tessarakteven the German translation is crappy ...
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03:20:49Febssoap, I posted a thread on Head-Fi to try to find testers for the 11 Color/Photo patches Buschel is trying to test.
03:20:57Febshttp://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/rockbox-testers-needed-ipod-4g-color-photo-battery-life-improvements-293123/#post3756879
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03:39:13soapcool Febs
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04:33:57MitHi I have a question about the rock box, and it's support for a 60 gig Ipod Photo...
04:34:11Mithave I done something wrong when I installed it?
04:34:25Mitcause every time I try to use the nice themes for rockbox the images look all corrupted
04:34:38Mitand for that matter the rockbox logo at boot time looks corrupted too
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05:05:30joseph_Hi, My ipod (5g) has recently "lost" all songs. Luckily the files were not damaged and restored by gtkpod, but it seems the file system (vfat) has been damaged. Can anyone offer any word of advice - particularily: do I need to remove rockbox before I attempt a "restore" via iTunes?
05:06:37Febsjoseph_: no. The iTunes restore will wipe out Rockbox anyway.
05:06:58joseph_any advice on how to possibly fix the vfat?
05:07:11FebsWhat OS?
05:07:17joseph_linux of course
05:07:20joseph_ubuntu
05:07:40joseph_but if the best tool is a windoz i will find a box
05:08:05FebsI'm (mostly) a Windows user, so I would do a chkdsk /f /r.
05:09:01FebsHave you tried fsck in Linux?
05:09:04joseph_I run fsck.vfat -n -l /dev/sdc1, which I assume is similar (-n for just report, no fix). it said something like
05:09:18joseph_FSINFO sector has bad magic number(s):
05:09:18joseph_ Offset 0: 0xc161d252 != expected 0x41615252
05:09:18joseph_ Offset 484: 0xe141f272 != expected 0x61417272
05:09:50joseph_I am not sure if letting it fix that would damage the ipod?
05:10:15FebsIf you're going to restore in iTunes anyway, you have nothing to lose by trying.
05:10:47joseph_yes but I rather not, as restoring was painfull :)
05:11:33joseph_I mean, no matter how bad I muck up the file system restore is possible?
05:12:04joseph_I am asking here because as rockbox developers you might know ...
05:15:21joseph_thanks anyway
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05:22:32rockoI'm an avid user of rockbox
05:22:46rockolately, I've been having a few problems relating to my ipod color
05:22:58rockoit beeps when it goes into regular ipod firmware
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05:23:21rockoand when I turn the thing off after using 10% of my battery, when I turn it back onit says there's 0%
05:24:25rockoI don't know what to do
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05:33:03crzyboysterAnyone know what in the world this is supposed to be? > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockIR
05:39:03Horschta remote addon for players?
05:39:49HorschtI have no clue
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05:40:04Horschtanyways, I am off
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05:40:41JdGordonthe up and down are much smaller than the << and >> arrorws :(
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05:43:52JdGordonbah, stupid large font messing with my head
05:43:59JdGordonanyone game to test this patch?
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06:03:35JdGordon_and there bacl
06:03:56JdGordon_ok, whos going to test my patch? or ill just commit it
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06:05:42jhMikeSwhat change?
06:06:20JdGordon_quickscreen vith viewports
06:06:30JdGordon_and customizable items
06:06:42rasherdoes it kill SYSFONT_ lang entries?
06:07:22JdGordon_yes
06:07:35rasherPreferably in all languages including them..
06:07:53JdGordon_I actually forgot about them, but ill make sure to remove them
06:08:02JdGordon_that might just push it closer to acceptable red :)
06:12:02JdGordon_http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8553?getfile=15865
06:12:17JdGordon_ill commit that once i fix the langs.. so testers... :)
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06:14:59JdGordon_rasher: do i set the unused sysfonts to deprecated?
06:15:59rasherJdGordon_: I believe so, yes
06:16:32JdGordon_bugger.. thats gonna be a bitch to do :)
06:16:58JdGordon_LANG_SYSFONT_OFF is still used.. but this patch deprecates about a dozen strings
06:18:15rasherThis is why xml and a "langfile tool" would be nice
06:18:32rasherthe xml only being needed because it makes the tool quicker to write
06:18:57rashersomething along the lines of `langtool -deprecate LANG_SYSFONT_OFF *.lang`
06:19:40JdGordon_yes, that would be sweet
06:19:45JdGordon_shame we dont have that :(
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06:20:55rasherYou're more than welcome to pick up FS #8233
06:21:33JdGordon_16 strings gone
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06:26:47*JdGordon wonders if it would be ok to to jump the lang version because of this and do it the easy way
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06:27:31JdGordon1 down, 15 to go
06:28:15JdGordonaparently lang editors dont understand why the _SYSFONT_ are needed
06:28:34rasherIt really should have been in the desc field for each and every one
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06:37:45JdGordonfuck.... kate is a crap editor.. its fubaring the lang files
06:39:37rockoI talk to this girl Kate
06:39:47rockoI'm fairly in love with her.
06:46:32JdGordongonna be a nasty red... :p
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07:10:56psycho_maniachaha only read rockons comments about him being in love with "kate" haha then read above that
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07:45:53MattAndrewI'm designing some hardware to run rockbox. Anyone know if it's a Bad Idea to completely power down the ram after the player has been put in pause mode and the backlight timeout has expired? Basically, this would mean Rockbox would have to boot up again every time you let your music player sit for 2 minutes in pause mode. Good idea/bad idea?
07:47:04hcssounds like the sort of thing that should be reserved for a "sleep mode"
07:47:20hcsor, why not just show down entirely?
07:48:10MattAndrewyeah, it is shutting down entirely. I just wanna know if Rockbox can be set to go back to where it was in the middle of playing a song when it boots back up.
07:48:27hcsyeah, it can
07:49:00MattAndrewand the time it takes to boot up to that point would be how long?
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07:50:51hcsI guess it would depend on how fast your hardware can boot rockbox, I don't know.
07:52:02AdamCan neone help me out?I got a sansa e260 and want to put rockbox on it. I downloaded the current build, but i can't find the installer that goes with the software. What do I do?
07:52:32scorcheAdam: have a look at the manual
07:52:51AdamIs there a complete zip package that i can d/l that has the current build, installer, rockdoom, themes, fonts, etc. all in one package??
07:53:15scorcheAdam: please look at it :)
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07:58:30Adam2K. I just d/l the rockbox utility but it only has archos and iriver players listed on the install. WTF. No sansa
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08:00:05scorcheeh?
08:01:03Adam2I downloaded the rockbox utility and it only has the archos and iRiver mp3 players on the install list, no apple, sansa, etc.
08:01:14scorchewhat install list?
08:02:21Adam2The screen that says please select the player you'd like to install rockbox on
08:02:46scorchewhat did you download?...i see them all just fine
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08:03:54Adam2I musta got an older version of the installer cuz I found what I was looking 4.
08:04:54Adam2Now it's saying in the progress screen that the mount point is wrong when I start the install
08:05:06scorchethen change it
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08:06:04MattAndrewhcs: okay, good point. This is going to be a 180MHz arm9. I can't find out how fast the arm in the sansa is or I'd compare it.
08:06:21LloreanWhy do we have a customizable quicksceen?
08:06:38scorcheMattAndrew: 80MHz boosted
08:07:01GodEaterLlorean: the reason starts with Jd and ends with Gordon
08:07:36LloreanGodEater: Shouldn't this have been in the patcher? Was it discussed and I missed it?
08:07:43Lloreanerr, tracker?
08:07:54GodEaterI think it got discussed for about ten minutes yesterday
08:08:00GodEaterthat's discussed in ""
08:08:21GodEaterI'm officially handing in the support towel
08:08:25scorcheMattAndrew: you can see how fast it is running at any one time (and change it) through System > Debug > CPU Frequency
08:08:59MattAndrewscorche: ooo. nice feature.
08:09:20LloreanGodEater: He also added a top item, which probably makes the screen unexitable on some targets
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08:09:27LloreanIf a user sets a top item.
08:09:42GodEateryeah, I think amiconn told him that at the time too
08:09:46MattAndrewAccording to portalplayer's pdf about the pp5024, it has 2 arm7tdmi's that can run up to 100MHz each. So, this would be about as fast as that.
08:09:47scorchehe did...
08:10:00LloreanJdGordon: Why on Earth did you commit that?
08:10:19scorcheMattAndrew: well, we dont utilize both cores yet and we only run up to 80MHz boosted
08:10:45*scorche goes and has a look at the delta..
08:11:08LloreanQuite the opposite of green
08:11:44scorcheand a bit o red
08:11:59scorche(in the scoreboard)
08:14:41amiconnLlorean, GodEater: The top item doesn't make the screen unexitable. It is just impossible to use the top item the real quick way of operating the quickscreen (which has been broken for months and months anyway)
08:15:01Lloreanamiconn: Some players depend on the "Up" button to get out of the screen, don't they?
08:15:06LloreanSpecifically, iPods?
08:15:14MattAndrewscorche: I'm curious: can you power down the unused coprocessor?
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08:16:20amiconnLlorean: Ah, you're thinking about the ipod... that wasn't what was discussed yesterday though
08:16:48LloreanWell, is what he committed not enabled for iPods then?
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08:18:49amiconnscorche: The failed build is caused by an unstable build server...
08:19:03amiconnThe delta row colour is nasty though :(
08:19:38LloreanWhy was "customizable" added at the same time as making them viewports?
08:20:00amiconnJdGordon: Why does your quickscreen commit even touch the binsize of the Ondios and the Player?
08:20:08amiconnThat can't be right...
08:20:12LloreanI know JdGordon's been rather against the current choices for quickscreen contents, but I have to admit that I'm kinda pissed off about a fairly major change to an existing system not getting a mail to the list or any warning.
08:20:25amiconnThose targets have no quickscreen
08:22:28amiconnYeah, I also don't understand why the customisation was added.
08:23:34LloreanI hate to sound as cynical as I'm going to, but I imagine just because he thought we were less likely to revert it, even if generally speaking we're against it vocally all the time.
08:23:35amiconnEspecially since hidden customisation features were discussed a few days ago, and the consensus was that hidden options shouldn't exist
08:23:46amiconnAt least I thought it was that... :\
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08:25:01*karashata notes a couple things about the recent change to the quickscreen: can't find where to customize it, the font colour defaults to black and not the foreground colour, and scrolling lines in the WPS end up updating over the quickscreen
08:25:03GodEaterI thought we'd always been against menu customisation
08:25:54Lloreankarashata: It wasn't widely tested, I fear. Possibly because that would've resulted in more discussion. =/
08:26:24*karashata nods
08:27:00*amiconn thinks that commit should be reverted for now
08:27:02WafflesDrHey, I just tried to install RockBox on a Sansa e260. Autodetect did not work so I had to manually set it. It said the installation was complete, but the only thing I noticed was RockboxUtility.exe and RockboxUtility.ini on the player. Now I tried to run it again and it says it does not detect any sansa players. I do not have the Sansa Update Utility installed and I tried running it as Administrator, it still won't work.
08:27:04*GodEater votes for a revert until it gets more testing
08:27:16amiconnSeveral things can't be right
08:27:17LloreanGodEater: I'm not against *very* finite customization options. For example, two or three choices for the short-press on record, and a limited pre-set choice of options for the quickscreen, choosable by a menu interface.
08:27:19*karashata agrees with amiconn and GodEater
08:27:28*Llorean thirds the revert suggestion.
08:27:46GodEatermotion carried ?
08:29:54GodEaterWafflesDr: what version is the stock firmware ?
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08:30:20WafflesDrlet me check real quick, I know its 1.xx, not sure the details
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08:30:45GodEaterwell if it's 1.xx anything it should get detected
08:31:30WafflesDrfirmware 01.01.11A
08:32:04GodEaterand you're sure it's in MSC mode, not MTP ?
08:32:19scorcheMattAndrew: yes...the second core cna be put to sleep
08:32:26WafflesDryup, its MSC
08:32:46WafflesDrMSC is where you can see all the files, hidden and everything right? I changed it over before I did anything to the player.
08:32:46*GodEater exhausts his knowledge of sansa installs
08:32:51scorcheamiconn: yeah...i didnt bother to give it more than a passing glance...did the dishes..
08:32:55amiconnJdGordon: ping....
08:32:56WafflesDrheh
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08:36:24WafflesDrI deleted the RockboxUtility.exe and .ini that ended up on the player (i don't think i put them there) and now its installin
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08:38:04amiconnJdGordon: Uhm, you changed the copyright line of an existing source file.....
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08:45:28pondlifeJdGordon: +1K for the blimmin' quickscreen??
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