#rockbox 2008-02-06

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#rockbox log for 2008-02-06

00:00:08	Llorean	linuxstb_: Ah, fair interpretation. It is a good option for users if it works, though since we don't support playlists yet. ;)
00:00:22	linuxstb_	Chained Ogg files is another example, and comparable to concatenated mpeg files.
00:00:31	webguest27	what do you mean will it join both of the videos together?
00:01:36	Llorean	I guess I should just test if rockbox handles it
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00:02:58	linuxstb_	jhMikeS should be able to tell us, but I would guess that at the very least seeking and the displayed runtime will be broken.
00:03:11	Llorean	Seems likely
00:03:17	Llorean	Well, lemme just download the smallest ED and check
00:04:01	linuxstb_	webguest27: I think the answer is that you can't easily join two video files together...
00:04:46	Llorean	linuxstb_: Well if you cat them, then use ffmpeg -i infile -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mpeg, it should result in just re-containering the combined streams in one file, if what i've heard is correct.
00:04:56	Llorean	Whether that's "easy" depends on the user, I guess
00:05:30	PaulJam	if you want i can paste the batch file i'm using with mencoder somewhere, it joins the videos if you drop multiple files on it.
00:05:46	webguest27	yeah but the thing is i don't know how to do that. can you guys please help me out on how to join them together?
00:06:07	webguest27	i use winff converter will that do it?
00:06:48	Llorean	No, winff won't do it.
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00:08:11	PaulJam	webguest27: you could try this batch file: http://pastebin.ca/893193 but you'll need to adjust some variables and the paths in the upper part of the file.
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00:10:58	webguest27	thank you. :)
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00:12:44	PaulJam	webguest27: but i think it only works this way when the inputfiles have the same resolution.
00:12:48	Llorean	Apparently rockbox handles concatenated mpeg2 files very gracefully
00:12:58	Llorean	It seeks and plays fine within the first part, and ignores any extra ones.
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00:14:42	webguest27	i just wan to join like 4 videos together that are already converter to the mpeg format rockbox reads.
00:16:53	dionoea	webguest27: something like this would work: vlc vid1 vid2 vid3 vid4 --sout-keep --sout "#std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=videoall.mpg}"
00:17:25	dionoea	of course #videolan would be a more appropriate channel to discuss VLC usage than here
00:17:30	webguest27	okok thank you! :) Bye
00:17:41	dionoea	(and I'm sure that other tools exist that can merge videos)
00:17:57	PaulJam	webguest27: if they are already encoded for rockbox you could try this batch file: http://pastebin.ca/893203 (saves the transcoding).
00:18:22	webguest27	oh ok thank you! :) :) :)
00:18:33	*	dionoea notes that his solution doesn't transcode anything ... just remuxing
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00:20:32	webguest27	>PaulJam: how to i save that batch file?
00:21:20	PaulJam	save it as a normal text file with the extension .bat
00:21:57	webguest27	ok thank you.
00:24:21	webguest27	if i'm supposed to drag and drop the videos on it it doesn't work...
00:27:31	PaulJam	have you adjusted th path to the mencoder.exe? (i feel like this gets a little bit offtopic, maybe we should continue via PM)
00:27:57	webguest27	how to i use that batch file? what do i name it?
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00:29:00	jhMikeS	Simple concatenating of files won't work. It wouldn't make sense anyway
00:29:02	webguest27	i'm really sorry i just don't know how to do this stuff.
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00:32:17	PaulJam	webguest27: it seems the batch file does indeed not work, sorry. i thought it used to work once. try the solution dionoea suggested.
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00:34:05	webguest27	ok thank you i have to go now bye! :)
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00:36:30	jhMikeS	Llorean: Think concatenation has to do with the fact that two concatenated elementary streams should produce a legal stream. This makes no sense in the PES layer at all.
00:39:01	jhMikeS	I can't really say "at all" but forcing it to support that would make loading slow (since the whole file would need scanning to determine length) and add some complication.
00:44:16	Llorean	jhMikeS: Alright. That's fine.
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01:16:43	tessarakt	ok, I'm nearly finished reading http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.75 once
01:17:22	tessarakt	but as I know nothing about embedded development there's little chance I can be of help
01:17:32	tessarakt	but the progress is indeed quite amazing
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01:33:53	bughunter2	can anyone recommend a good music player with 8gb or (preferably) more memory ? one that runs rockbox would be even better
01:34:39	scorche\|w	there are plenty of good ones...what sort of features do you want?
01:35:33	bughunter2	just mp3 (wma or ogg is not required) support actually, and also preferable is having hte player recognized as a "removable disk" under windows/linux
01:36:00	bughunter2	i forgot the real name, "universal storage class" device or something :)
01:36:19	scorche\|w	still doesnt narrow it down any :)
01:36:36	bughunter2	hmm, what else could i want? gapless playback would be good to have
01:36:46	bughunter2	battery life > 6hours
01:37:03	scorche\|w	these are features that rockbox has on almost all of its targets
01:37:09	advlaptop2019	bughunter2, how about the e280v1 or d2 (still working one port)
01:37:22	bughunter2	d2?
01:37:38	bughunter2	i don't like the e280, the navigation etc with the wheel ...
01:37:41	bughunter2	(same as with ipods btw)
01:38:16	advlaptop2019	bughunter2, the cowon iaudio d2.. a touchscreen
01:38:20	scorche\|w	i wouldnt recommend grabbing a device while the port is still in progress quite yet...
01:38:35	bughunter2	if the original firmware is at least usable i'm fine with it
01:38:57	scorche\|w	then it is offtopic for this channel
01:39:23	bughunter2	well, i do prefer a player that rockbox supports
01:39:36	bughunter2	i bought a creative zen 8gb recently (before i had this iriver h340, returned it several times to iriver because of a broken battery)
01:39:43	bughunter2	and it already is broken, it won't turn on
01:40:17	linuxstb	scorche\|w: If you wait until a port is finished to buy hardware, you may be too late...
01:41:04	Psyco	any chance i could get write permission to upload my WPS to the twiki?
01:41:29	linuxstb	Sure, if you say what your twiki username is.
01:41:37	scorche\|w	have we gotten a "ladies and gentlemen" from the d2 yet?
01:41:38	Psyco	PhilipMourdjis
01:42:30	linuxstb	Psyco: Done.
01:42:49	linuxstb	scorche\|w: It's nowhere near that stage yet...
01:43:06	linuxstb	(but it seems to be progressing fast)
01:43:19	scorche\|w	linuxstb: then i still wouldnt recommend it for a non-dev...
01:43:31	*	scorche\|w shrugs
01:43:41	bughunter2	but i am a dev
01:43:43	Psyco	thanks
01:43:54	linuxstb	Both devs and non-devs have drawers to store players in...
01:44:18	*	scorche\|w wonders how big linuxstb's drawer has gotten :)
01:44:30	*	linuxstb is reminded he is about 3 months late going to the post office...
01:44:38	scorche\|w	something like that
01:44:57	scorche\|w	i still dont have the time yet anyway =/
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01:51:19	bughunter2	how about the archos 204? will rockbox work on it?
01:52:03	scorche\|w	the players that rockbox runs on are listed on the front page
01:53:15	bughunter2	i know that, just wondering if somebody knows anything about if it'd be easy to port it actually
01:53:45	scorche\|w	well, you asked if rockbox will work...if it isnt on the front page, it wont work :)
01:54:02	bughunter2	true that :P
01:54:13	scorche\|w	you cna look for information on port attempts in the new ports section of the forum and in the wiki
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01:55:32	bughunter2	the problem is that the players rockbox supports are "gone", i can't find them anywhere in my country
01:55:41	bughunter2	well, i mean the big harddisk players
01:55:50	scorche\|w	not on ebay?
01:55:50	bughunter2	like the older archos
01:56:07	bughunter2	i don't like buying from ebay, what if the device is broken after a month of usage :/
01:56:51	scorche\|w	ebay is your main option...it is where a lot of rockboxers get their devices from
01:57:17	bughunter2	hmm
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01:59:08	bughunter2	scorche\|w: so, and then (if i'd buy one) just hope the device works? :P
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01:59:29	bughunter2	my new creative zen, stopped working after 3 weeks of usage
01:59:39	bughunter2	my older iriver h340se, stopped working several times :P
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02:00:07	bughunter2	i kinda lost faith in trusting these devices :P
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02:03:45	PaulJam	if your h300's only problem is the battery i would rather replace that and use the H300 with rockbox.
02:04:45	bughunter2	it's harddisk is also broken :(
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02:08:13	PaulJam	then replace that too, you have to take it out to replace the battery anyway. i think the MK4004/6GAH drives aren't that expensive.
02:09:25	bughunter2	hmm, is that really my only option?
02:11:30	PaulJam	no, but i thought it would be a pity to not use the h300 if it is easy fixable (assuming the HD and battery are the only broken parts). it is a very nice player with rockbox.
02:12:21	bughunter2	i know it's a nice player with rockbox :(
02:12:22	bughunter2	:P
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02:14:33	countrymonkey	any news on the Arabic translation?
02:15:07	PaulJam	you can find the logs here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
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02:23:59	bughunter2	bedtime, goodnite :)
02:27:49	avh22	Hi, could someone give me write permission for the wiki? My username is AlexVanHeuvelen
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02:33:30	pixelma	avh22: should be done
02:34:30	avh22	Thanks pixelma
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03:44:07	MattAndrew	Anybody know whether rockbox complies with the usb spec that says it can only draw 100mA from usb until it identifies itself to the hub as a high-current device?
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05:03:12	cool_walking_	Is it possible to have the Wiki's output HTML specify the height and width of images? It's really annoying having the page jump all over the place as images load.
05:05:35	cool_walking_	It sort of breaks SomePage#anchor links, in Firefox and IE6 at least, because you end up nowhere near the anchor.
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07:27:55	azn	can someone help me with rockboy
07:28:49	cool_walking_	azn: Just ask your question and if someone knows, they'll answer.
07:29:04	azn	where do i put the file
07:29:22	cool_walking_	The gameboy rom? Anywhere you want.
07:29:22	azn	i have a ".gbc" file but where do i put it
07:29:27	scorche	anywhere you want (although i wouldnt suggest inside the .rockbox folder)
07:29:35	azn	?
07:29:49	azn	i thought every thing goes in the .rockbox folder
07:29:53	cool_walking_	No
07:29:55	Horschti	no
07:30:00	scorche	where did you get that idea?
07:30:06	azn	i put it in the games folder then it wasn't there
07:30:13	azn	when i checked
07:30:19	scorche	"games folder"?
07:30:31	azn	then i changed my settings to view all files
07:30:33	azn	game
07:30:37	azn	under plugins
07:30:47	scorche	what told you to put it there?
07:30:56	Horschti	i think .gbc is not supported by rockboy?
07:31:00	azn	somebody on the forums
07:31:01	scorche	sure it is
07:31:07	cool_walking_	If you put it there, it will not appear under the "Plugins" menu in Rockbox.
07:31:12	azn	o
07:31:14	cool_walking_	You have to find it through the "Files" area.
07:31:14	azn	then where
07:31:15	scorche	azn: where?...can you link me?
07:31:42	Horschti	azn, put it anywhere and use the file browser to run it
07:31:45	cool_walking_	.gbc _is_ supported by Rockboy.
07:32:15	cool_walking_	Just as if it were a music file, just "play" it.
07:32:30	azn	let me try that
07:32:51	azn	could i put it in the wps folder
07:32:59	cool_walking_	Yes, but why?
07:33:02	scorche	why are you still trying to put it in those folders?
07:33:24	azn	how do i put it into the playlist
07:33:30	cool_walking_	What???
07:33:45	scorche	azn: please read the manual...it will explain what to do
07:34:03	azn	dude...im an idiot
07:34:10	azn	the manual didn't tell me anything
07:34:20	azn	it just said it won't appear in the plugins
07:34:34	scorche	odd...it certainly shows me the answer
07:34:44	cool_walking_	It will appear under "Files", just like any other file.
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07:37:55	azn	it works on the nano right
07:38:04	scorche	yes
07:38:17	scorche	as i said, it says quite plainly in the manual what you need to do
07:38:27	scorche	have a look at chapter 10
07:38:59	azn	it says plugin return error
07:39:12	scorche	eh?
07:39:26	azn	when i open it
07:39:39	scorche	did you look in the manual to see what to do as i said?
07:40:18	azn	ch 10 where
07:40:21	azn	im in the manual
07:40:23	azn	online
07:40:32	scorche	read..
07:42:02	azn	.cfg?
07:42:19	Horschti	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1800009.3.4
07:42:29	Horschti	linked for your convinience
07:43:19	azn	thats ch. 9
07:43:54	azn	but where is the filebrowser
07:43:59	azn	that is what i don't understand
07:44:02	scorche	sorry...i was looking in a different manual
07:44:08	scorche	you do want chapter 9
07:44:20	Horschti	in the main menu
07:44:22	cool_walking_	The file browser is the "Files" entry in the main menu.
07:46:34	azn	so just drop the file into the ipod
07:47:28	Horschti	yes, that's what we have been telling you
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07:47:46	azn	i got it in but when i load the file i get a yellowscreen
07:47:56	azn	when i open it
07:49:26	azn	so what do i do
07:50:39	cool_walking_	Try another rom.
07:54:03	azn	finally i got
07:54:04	azn	it
07:55:04	azn	thanks guys
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08:45:33	Slasheri	Nico_P: hi, it should be obvious why the cuesheet code crashes without a slash. strcat(buffer, NULL); causes a segfault
08:47:47	amiconn	Many bugs are obvious once you tracked down the real cause...
08:47:48	Slasheri	ah, never mind. you didn't mean that :)
08:48:33	amiconn	E.g. I know now why the peakmeter misbehaves as soon as more than one peakmeter is drawn at the same time. It has nothing to do with the remote lcd being special or so
08:49:05	amiconn	It's just that peak_meter_draw() is stateful - it uses 3 static variables
08:49:38	amiconn	Looks like that peakmeter rewrite is really overdue now :/
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08:54:46	eulero	hi all
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08:55:36	eulero	may i ask for a doubt ?
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09:14:28	markun	eulero: what do you mean?
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09:30:49	eulero	i would like to know if ipod classic is a 5.5G
09:31:09	LinusN	eulero: no, it isn't
09:31:28	eulero	than, no support for ipod classic ?
09:31:29	LinusN	the classic is an entirely different beast, and rockbox does not run on it
09:31:50	eulero	:(
09:32:26	LinusN	yes, that sucks
09:32:46	eulero	what a pity .... i had a nano2G .... bought Classic thinking to mod ....
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09:33:09	eulero	now i have two unmodding ipod ....
09:33:12	eulero	damn ....
09:34:04	LinusN	that sucks even more :-(
09:34:20	eulero	neither volume uncap is possible on classic ?
09:35:26	LinusN	i have no idea
09:35:43	eulero	tnx
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09:47:09	pondlife	"Classic" is such a misleading name...
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09:49:37	LinusN	pondlife: indeed
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10:00:03	linuxstb_	In what way? Taken in the context of the Touch and iPhone, I think "classic" is a good description of that ipod - it's the classic design (from a user's POV)
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10:03:22	Nico_P	Slasheri: what I meant was that the func shouldn't be given a filename without a slash, but it happens
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10:13:26	pondlife	Nico_P: Any ideas about the resume-on-startup issue?
10:13:38	pondlife	Or shall I just start hacking away?
10:13:44	Nico_P	pondlife: could you remind me the FS number?
10:14:18	pondlife	8511
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10:15:04	pondlife	I suspect this may be the easiest one of the current playback issues to get a handle on. And hopefully also fix the weird track skipping on buffering?
10:15:23	pondlife	i.e. I stick with my "one problem, many symptoms" diagnosis ;)
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10:28:15	Nico_P	pondlife: I must've overlooked some side effects in my latest bug fixes in playback.c
10:28:45	pondlife	I suspect this one's ages old - probably when you fixed the transition point
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10:32:37	pondlife	It may be that the offset/index passed into some playback routines is still the "codec" position, not the "WPS" one
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10:33:13	pondlife	I'm not too sure, though ;)
10:33:19	pixelma	could 8520 be related?
10:38:59	amiconn	petur: seen this morning's log (starting 08:48)?
10:40:26	petur	no, been pretty busy here at work. Will have a peek
10:41:10	petur	nice find
10:41:41	Nico_P	pixelma: possibly
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10:56:19	Nico_P	pondlife: what I find odd os that people report that the problem seems to have started at ~r16100, but the last playback.c change was r16039
10:56:26	Nico_P	s/os/is
10:58:10	pondlife	Maybe a race condition now shown up by the spinlock changes?
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