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#rockbox log for 2008-02-08

00:00:19gevaertslinuxstb_: yes, but probably overkill. I guess bootloader.bin is the app that runs on the e200r ?
00:01:30linuxstb_gevaerts: There are many bootloader.bin files...
00:02:05star_jasminehi.... I"m having a small problem creating a voice in cygwin. I can create it with the encoding defaults with speex but if I change the quality to 10 for bothq and c, it won't work. can anyone help?
00:02:07gevaertslinuxstb_: I mean the one referenced on
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00:03:05JdGordon|wamiconn: is merging the way to go though? I assume neither engine is really in great shape anyway... so why not start a unified engine from scratch doing exactly what we want from it and getting it right the first time? instead of fixing sw to handle hw (or vice verca)
00:03:18linuxstb_Yes. You compile that by selecting target 51, then I for install when you configure. The source is bootloader/main-e200r-installer.c
00:04:01preglowJdGordon|w: hwcodec is quite stable, afaik
00:04:30linuxstb_I would imagine it's extremely stable - as I can't ever remember a commit to it...
00:04:47linuxstb_(apart from id3 parser bugs)
00:04:51preglowJdGordon|w: how do we get it right, though? we'll still have to code the same features we have today
00:05:02preglowmy proposition is let's just pay jhMikeS to doit :)
00:05:09linuxstb_Or not ;) Get rid of pesky things like crossfade...
00:05:45JdGordon|wnagging jhMikeS to do it sounds like a workable solution :p
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00:10:12pixelmaI would really like to be able to play wav the "normal" way on my Ondio, it has a much nicer sound...
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00:31:08Soul-Burnok... for my auto-updating/syncing, I decided to use rsync :>
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00:36:51*Nico_P has a sync script using rsync too... very practical
00:36:58Nico_Palthough I don't use it ATM :/
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00:46:21amiconnpreglow, JdGordon: The hwcodec playback engine is very stable, but also rather limited
00:47:05amiconnIn its current form it would not allow integraiting MoB at all - as it does the bitswap in-place, across all loaded data
00:47:52Nico_Pamiconn: would it be hard to add the bitswap to buffering.c?
00:48:19amiconnNo, but I don't think this would be the right way
00:48:30linuxstbIs it worthwhile trying to merge them?
00:49:07amiconnDoing the bitswap in-place has the disadvantage that we can only play data that can be played as-is, i.e. mp2/mp3 and plain pcm wav/aiff
00:49:33amiconnIt would not allow to decode e.g. adpcm (unless we do it at buffering time, which would be a waste
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00:50:27amiconnSo I think we need the equivalent of a "codec" and the "pcm buffer"
00:50:28preglowyeah, hwcodec seems very hard coded
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00:50:37preglowbut then again, there was no reason for it not to be
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00:52:03amiconnBut the "pcm" buffer should be as small as possible (because of the little ram). I think this rules out doing the "codec" work in a thread
00:53:14amiconnIt has to happen in the audio callback isr. But that means it has to be done in small chunks - and even then it is not clear whether this will be smooth enough to not disturb other tasks
00:54:27amiconnThe "codec" task would just be the bitswap for mp2/mp3 and pcm, but more than that for e.g. adpcm
00:55:33amiconnWe will also need a state machine handling the MAS setup. And mpeg audio <-> pcm transitions cannot be gapless.
00:55:48amiconnI'm not sure whether playback.c needs to be aware of that fact
00:57:00*Nico_P has been pondering the use of a state machine approach in playback.c
00:57:40pregloweverything i've seen thus far seems to suggest that's the way to go
00:57:44amiconnWell, for handling the MAS, a state machine makes very much sense. Depending on the target, there need to be 2, 3 or 5 states
00:58:14preglowit also makes for very easily maintainable threading code
00:58:43amiconn0: dsp disabled, only audiocodec active (for idle mode with voice disabled, or the radio without prerecording)
00:58:53amiconn1: mpeg audio playback
00:59:20amiconn2: pcm playback (all MAS' except 3507D (Player))
00:59:34amiconn3: mpeg audio recording (3587 only)
00:59:43amiconn4: pcm recording (3587 only)
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01:01:11*preglow asks for motivation to complete his faad sync...
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01:02:38JdGordon|will commit the quickscreen patch again if you dont do the sync!
01:02:42JdGordon|wgood enough? :D
01:03:00preglowgo ahead!
01:03:15preglowi think i'll just go ahead and not do it, i hate faad
01:03:18preglowit's ugly and it smells bad
01:04:02Nico_PJdGordon|w: with a few improvements it'll be perfectly fine to commit... the idea is very good
01:05:05*preglow wonders why his nano is so unresponsive when accessing the flash...
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01:06:53preglowmight this be the same problem that plagues the high capacity videos?
01:07:22preglowit's really dog-slow while buffering
01:07:27preglowskipping a track takes ten seconds
01:07:27Nico_PI'm starting to think these problems isn't in my code
01:08:14preglowugh, this is quite bad
01:08:16preglowit's sluggish as hell
01:08:36pixelmaI had that on my c250 as well but it got better recently (but curiously in some folders not)
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01:09:00preglowsweet lord, it's almost unusable
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01:10:11JdGordon|wNico_P: passing the buck? tisk tisk...
01:10:34Nico_Ppreglow: do you have the DB?
01:11:48preglowNico_P: nay
01:11:59preglowthat is, yes
01:11:59preglowi do
01:12:01preglowbut not in ram
01:12:07preglowand i don't use it
01:12:13preglowbut the files are there, and it's inited
01:12:23Nico_Ptry deleting the tcd files then
01:13:10Nico_Pthe culprit seems to be the deleted files detection
01:13:38preglowkiedoke, testing
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01:14:09preglowseems markedly improved, yes
01:14:11preglowyes it does
01:14:51pixelmadid you have auto-update enabled?
01:15:29preglowit's still madly laggy
01:15:36preglowit might have helped _some_
01:15:53preglowbut it's still excruciatingly laggy
01:16:22preglowsometimes it takes over five seconds to skip a track
01:16:27preglowand sometimes it registers keys waaaay too late
01:16:31preglowand in batch mode, almost
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01:19:21Nico_PI'm really looking forward to getting my hands on an ipod
01:19:26*preglow goes for a green delta :-)
01:19:32preglowNico_P: you getting an ipod?
01:19:48Nico_Pamiconn is going to send me LinusN's
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01:20:54preglowhaha, has linus even gotten to use it himself yet? :)
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01:21:38Nico_Pnot much AFAIK, but he doesn't seem to miss it too much ;)
01:21:51pixelmahe couldn't have used it with Rockbox...
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01:26:27*pixelma agrees with gevaerts
01:28:12preglowhalf past one already
01:28:28JdGordon|wstill early...
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01:37:59*preglow celebrates the 16 saved bytes on arm targets :)
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01:43:32*amiconn still needs to draw his layout idea for the quickscreen
01:43:41amiconnBut not now....
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01:50:42BigMacHey, anyone know how I can charge my gigabeat when it has a completly drained battery?
01:50:50BigMacBecause you need to turn it on to charge
01:50:56BigMacand I can't charge it
01:51:02markunBigMac: you don't need to turn it on
01:51:18BigMacWell I have it plugged in
01:51:19markunjust plug in either the charger or a USB cable
01:51:24BigMacand it doesn't kick over
01:51:35markunhow long did you leave it connected?
01:51:50BigMacIts been like 5 minutes just sitting
01:52:07markun5 minutes is not very long for a completely drained battery
01:52:14markundo you have the batter switch to on?
01:52:28BigMacthis is a few month old build, don't know if anything has changed in the boot code, but I can't update it either way
01:52:36BigMacyes it is on
01:52:45BigMacand I didn't know it was charging right now
01:53:02BigMacit just has a blank screen
01:53:13markunyes, even from USB it charges, but never shows the charge icon that way.
01:53:35markunmaybe it doesn't from the charger either if the battery is too empty
01:53:54markunwhich ways did you mean by "either way"?
01:53:56BigMacwait so even though rockbox never loaded
01:54:00BigMacand it never turned on
01:54:05BigMacand I can't access the drive
01:54:08BigMacit is charging?
01:54:24markunif it's off and you connect the charger it should charge
01:54:34BigMacit doesn't
01:54:39markunhow can you tell?
01:54:53markunjust leave it for an hour and try to turn it on again
01:54:53BigMacBecause I can leave it for an hour
01:55:02BigMacand still not be able to turn it on
01:55:14BigMacI have left it for an hour
01:55:26BigMacI left it while I got my haircut
01:55:30BigMacbut not charging
01:55:33markunLast time I asked you it was just 5 minutes. I must have misunderstood.
01:55:48BigMacYes, thi instance is
01:55:58BigMacI unplugged it to see if it would turn on
01:56:05BigMacbut it didn't
01:56:06markunmaybe reset the player with the battery switch and try to charge again
01:56:12markunI don't know what else you could try.
01:56:45BigMacYah, tried that last night too
01:56:55BigMacthanks guy, anyone else got any ideas
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02:01:38aznhow do you install the pacman rom
02:02:31scorche|wazn: how many times do we have to tell you to read the wikipages/manual?
02:02:57aznit says put it in the .rockbox/pacman/ directory
02:03:12aznso does that mean to create a pacman folder?
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02:03:53scorche|wif it doesnt exist, yes
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02:21:21Soul-BurnI seem to have a problem with themes. Many of them simply don't change much and don't look like in the previews
02:22:50saratogawhat theme did you try
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02:24:08Soul-Burnoh wait
02:24:13Soul-Burnit might just be a font problem
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02:24:39Soul-BurnAqua, Trinity, JoltAmp
02:24:54saratogagot a link?
02:24:57Soul-Burnall give me an ugly green font that isn't the one supposed to be
02:25:13Soul-Burnthey are all in the "extra" installation version
02:26:54saratogaSoul-Burn: might want to mention a player and which of the sites linked under there you grabbed them from
02:27:04saratogaif you're not going to link the specific one
02:27:14Soul-BurniPod photo,
02:27:43Soul-Burnfull "extra install"
02:27:49Soul-Burnfrom the gui installer
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02:32:42azni've checked the manual i can't find how to update your music
02:32:55aznin the rockbox database
02:33:06Soul-BurnSetting -> Database -> Update
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02:34:45aznhow long does it take
02:35:13Soul-Burna few minutes for me
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02:35:39azni have a nano
02:35:46azni want to add movies
02:35:53aznwhere is it in the manual
02:36:06Soul-Burnto add stuff, just copy it to your player
02:36:17Soul-Burnmovies should be mpeg1/2 in .mpg form
02:37:32webguest46anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with an ipod video 30gb?
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02:42:03webguest26does anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with rockbox?
02:44:02aznr youtube vids .mpg?
02:46:02advlaptop2019webguest26, there is a wiki about that
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02:51:26Soul-Burndamn battery life goes down
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03:00:29AghasterI'm trying to find the page where all the credits for the people who contributed to the project is
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03:17:33stripwaxAghaster - it's inside rockbox itself - I believe it's a plugin called "Credits".
03:17:52stripwaxand in SVN also
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03:18:04saratogai know when you do a build it spits out a text file, but i have no idea where it comes from
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03:29:31hermydoes anyone have like a link for the gui for installing rockbox
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04:50:44psycho_maniacwhats the custom quickscreen patch?
04:53:20psycho_maniacdoes it still need testing? i can test now after i finially got my gigabeat back
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05:05:30JdGordonpsycho_maniac: yeah, if you wanna test it that would be good... fs#8553... althought the gigabeat screen really is too big for it so the parts which actually need testing (resizing and moving the items around) wont get tested
05:06:37psycho_maniacwhat players do need testing?
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05:06:50JdGordonbut more the ones with smalller screens
05:08:35psycho_maniacsince my sansa isnt my main player anymore i can test that also
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05:11:17psycho_maniacand quickscreen.2.patch is the most current patch?
05:11:56JdGordonno... 1 min
05:12:52psycho_maniacwell im updating my source this moment anyways so i have time.
05:13:01JdGordonok, latest ver is up
05:13:44psycho_maniaci see it was in svn then taken out. why was this?
05:14:08scorchedont ask :)
05:19:30psycho_maniacwhat number do i input when doing the patch command?
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05:22:13JdGordonas all patches should be
05:23:57psycho_maniaci could maybe do an ipod video test also
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05:24:49psycho_maniacerr maybe not. im getting a "missing initializer" error
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05:25:47psycho_maniacit patches fine though
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05:43:02psycho_maniacare there custom settings somewhere in the menu?
05:43:41JdGordonthey are in the config file
05:44:19JdGordon"quickscreen spot:config name" where spot is left, right top or bottom and config name is the config string of the option you want to put there
05:44:37JdGordone.g. "quickscreen bottom:shuffle"
05:45:09psycho_maniacwow you can tell i have this patched. seems to run slow when i enter quickscreen and change "show files"
05:45:30midgeyare there any settings in svn that are "hidden" as in they can only be changed by editing the cfg file
05:45:34JdGordonyeah, that needs fixing
05:45:39psycho_maniacalso i can only change it to either "supported" or "all"
05:45:46JdGordonmidgey: yes 1
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05:45:58JdGordonother than some filename settings
05:46:04midgeywhich one is that?
05:46:53JdGordonhold_lr_to_scroll or something along those lines
05:47:00JdGordonsettings_list.c if you really interesetd
05:47:16midgeyi'll check it out after exams
05:48:04midgeyregarding the debate about gather runtime etc from earlier, i think thats a good candidate for being hidden.
05:48:21midgeyset it to on by default and it could be changed by editing the config
05:48:22JdGordonwe all agree hiden settings suck though
05:48:45midgeyindeed but it would keep the option available and cut down on binsize slightly
05:48:58midgeynot sure where you'd draw the line though
05:49:13JdGordonthe delta would be tiny
05:49:19JdGordon100bytes or something
05:49:24JdGordonbarely wrth the efort
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05:49:57psycho_maniacJdGordon: give me some random settings to test this patch with
05:52:36JdGordonsave your settings, open the .cfg with your favorite (or any) text editor.. grab one that you want to put there
05:56:21psycho_maniacworks alright. i had a long one in there but it didnt show up. disable autoresume if phones not present
05:57:41JdGordondidnt show up how?
05:57:50psycho_maniacalso i had a "quickscreen top:" setting and that didtn show up either. its not there.
05:58:29psycho_maniachold on
05:58:57psycho_maniacjust curious. have you had many testers?
06:01:35JdGordonthats the bloody problem
06:01:58psycho_maniacfirst is the settings:
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06:02:25JdGordonarg.. i think I found the problem with the colours... viewports isnt using drawmode as I expected
06:02:34JdGordonthats fucked!
06:02:45JdGordonoh, thats the text editor :p
06:02:59psycho_maniaccorrect. showing you what settings i have to the quickscreen
06:03:18JdGordonok, they look correct
06:03:21psycho_maniacand this is what shows up:
06:03:45JdGordonshow files is 2 words
06:04:05psycho_maniacalright, but what about the one on the left?
06:04:06JdGordonand the left one is too long
06:04:23JdGordonmax 20 letters, which needs fixing...
06:04:27JdGordonnot sure how though
06:04:32psycho_maniacahh ok
06:05:06psycho_maniaccould you do volume?
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06:06:14JdGordonelmost every setting should work
06:06:25JdGordonthe only ones which definatly wont work are the colours and filenames
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06:07:42psycho_maniacalright but i can only change 2 settings out of any the setting has.. Ie: show files is either all or supported and volume is only 0 or 1.
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06:08:31JdGordonthis is where it gets interesting... that was reported, but i cant reproduce it
06:08:33psycho_maniacwow when i did volume (this is probably not very good) i have it set to "left" and when i press it it goes from +6 to -73 repeating
06:08:53psycho_maniacgood thing i dont have headphones plugged in
06:09:24JdGordonshow files reall doesnt work for you?
06:09:27psycho_maniacactually the volume doesnt seem to change.
06:09:54psycho_maniacit will only let me set it to supported or all
06:10:00JdGordonok, you can stop testing... im fiddling with it now, if your stil around in an hour you can test again if im done
06:10:50psycho_maniacalso volume doesnt change in quickscreen. When i exit the quickscreen THEN it changes
06:12:13JdGordonyeah, fixing that
06:13:26psycho_maniacalso show files doesnt even work. It showed to show "supported" but was set to "playlists"
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06:17:54psycho_maniacI would be glad to help JdGordon but our time zones are different or i go to bed early. and am pretty busy in my normal life.
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06:19:51psycho_maniacso i will probably pop in tomorrow and see whats up and check the fs page.
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06:29:18JdGordonhow does everyone feel about being asked to apply settings if a setting is changed in the quickscreen that doesnt have an auto-update callback function?
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07:12:28JdGordonoh bloody hell... /me slaps the sim
07:12:39JdGordonactually.. /me slaps the target
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07:45:38Nico_PjhMikeS: you rock!
07:45:52Nico_Pjust tested your changes on my S and I get to the menu!
07:46:10*JdGordon was going to say stop wasting time with the S and get to work on the swcodec replacement :)
07:49:12jhMikeSNico_P: I've no idea what to do next re: the directory tree
07:49:35Nico_PjhMikeS: I guess we need a button driver, don't we?
07:49:37jhMikeSThe button driver doesn't really work either
07:50:23Nico_Pand maybe we could try getting the usb stack going, I have no idea what's to be done in that respect
07:50:35Nico_Pit's make testing easier
07:51:39Nico_PjhMikeS: also, the port page says "The Audio DAC is register compatible with the WM8975, for which rockbox already has a driver. However, we can't use it yet because the I2C driver is so far unwritten."
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07:56:37jhMikeSI don't know if it's really register compatbile. The WM chips have many differences.
07:57:09aliaskWhat was wrong with the button driver? Seemed to work fine for me...
07:57:26jhMikeSFor one, initializing interfered with the ATA init
07:58:16aliaskIO mux stuff perhaps?
07:58:51jhMikeSI think we're at the point where disassembly is needed to get the correct register settings
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08:20:19*pondlife would just like to mention that "Gather Runtime Data" must remain an option whilst it causes a disk spinup after every track...
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08:24:51pondlifeUntil the runtime data gathering does lazy updates (i.e. on next spinup), it should be defaulted to off IMHO. Dircache and DB in RAM could default to on though.
08:25:02*pondlife reads logs and talks to himself.
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08:25:20JdGordondircache and db in ram should default to off
08:25:52pondlifeI don't mind much either way.
08:26:03pondlifeBut Gather Runtime is still a bit flawed.
08:26:31pondlifeDepends on target of course ... I wouldn't use a HD target without dircache
08:26:40pondlifeBut I don't own a flash target.
08:28:48amiconnI think dircache could default to on on hd targets with enough ram
08:29:18amiconndb in ram should default to off, as well as gather runtime data
08:29:50amiconnI'm not sure, but I thought 'gather runtime data' only saves at the next spinup?
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08:30:17amiconnThat still doesn't mean I want to see it enabled by default
08:30:35JdGordonI dont suppose anyone here knows how to setup gcc for pocketpc?
08:32:25aliaskjhMikeS: Did you notice that rockbox.gigabeat won't load properly if the hold switch is off?
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08:35:47pondlifeamiconn: I believe the intention is that Gather Runtime Data only saves at the next spinup, but it seems not to be the case
08:37:00amiconnThat'd be a serious bug then
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08:38:08amiconnHonestly, I have never tried it on any of my targets
08:38:25Slasheriamiconn: that is a problem because the way the playback engine has changed
08:38:51Slasheribut it can be fixed, the best when db is loaded to ram
08:39:06JdGordonhow much data needs writing?
08:39:11Slasherinot much
08:39:34Slasheriit can be cached for non-db-in-ram targets too
08:39:35JdGordonpoint me in the direction of the offending code?
08:39:59JdGordonyeah, just cache it and write it out in an ata callback instead of the playback callback
08:40:04Slasheriplayback engine now unbuffers tracks more often
08:40:10amiconnWell, looks like it needs integration with MoB
08:40:10Slasheriit's already cached
08:40:24Slasheribut now it's written to disk after a few seconds of inactivity
08:40:35JdGordonamiconn: you mean malloc() :D
08:40:38SlasheriJdGordon: you could change that inactivity trigger to ata callback trigger
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08:40:59amiconnNo, I don't
08:41:00Slasheribut for db-in-ram targets it should be more intelligent
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08:41:15JdGordondb in ram should be fine to write back instantly
08:41:17JdGordonsholdnt it?
08:41:28Slasheriyes, write to ram
08:41:40Slashericommit changed data on shutdown / after a longer delay
08:42:10JdGordonno problem with commiting on the ata callback also
08:44:11SlasheriJdGordon: check the run_command_queue in tagcache.c
08:44:50amiconnSlasheri: So that means the svn implementation should still work as originally intended on hwcodec?
08:45:41Slasheriamiconn: yes, it should
08:45:49LinusNphew, my X5 is now repaired again, i replaced the joystick
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08:46:36LinusNthey aren't manufactured anymore, but i managed to get hold of a few
08:46:44JdGordonSlasheri: would splitting up tagcache.c into seperate files make it easier for others to follow the code?
08:47:04LinusNthe x5 joystick is really not of the best quality
08:47:15SlasheriJdGordon: well, maybe :)
08:47:24*amiconn honestly does not want to enable a 'spy on me' feature with useless output without being forced to though.
08:47:35SlasheriJdGordon: i have thought about that also
08:47:58JdGordon4500+ lines is never fun to work with :p
08:48:26JdGordonbut thats beisdes the point... how many tracks can that buffer handle?
08:50:35Slasheriso 32 data updates.. and one tracks requires several updates
08:51:23SlasheriJdGordon: 10 tracks
08:51:33JdGordon10 tracks should be fine
08:52:21JdGordonsomething liek should work
08:52:24amiconnThere could easily be more than 10 tracks in ram on G5.5/80
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08:53:23JdGordonnot sure about that commit delay check though... that might be removable
08:54:04*JdGordon too tired to get the function names correct :(
08:54:27JdGordonata_callback_register should be register_ata_idle_func
08:55:45JdGordonand shouldnt command_queue_timestamp get updated once the sync has happened?
09:03:37jhMikeSaliask: I noticed if I flip the hold switch, then it locks. (the battery indicator stops blinking).
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09:05:17jhMikeSI think it's just because it actually tries reading the buttons in that case
09:05:18SlasheriJdGordon: well, currently command_queue_timestamps indicates when the last command was added to the queue
09:05:30Slasheriso after a defined idle period, a write will happen
09:06:24JdGordonis that actually needed though?
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09:07:38JdGordonI mean, is it a problem if that data doesnt get synced untill it has to?
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09:14:08JdGordonSlasheri: is a bit better
09:14:25jhMikeSThe Note: of MCIMX31RM.pdf p. 27-5, KCO 15-8 might be a clue
09:14:38JdGordonI didnt realise that command queue func was called every time through the thread so that woiuld have been nasty
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09:19:48JdGordonhmm... if this starts working, we should remove the setting completly and always log it
09:22:32amiconnMeh, noo
09:22:51JdGordonwhy not?
09:23:18amiconnI do not want to waste battery on a feature that spies on me without me ever needing the result
09:23:35amiconnSame goes for the thingy
09:23:35JdGordonhehe... your paranoid about software you write? :D
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09:23:51JdGordonand it hardly wastes any extra battery
09:23:55LinusNi agree, i can accept it being the default option, but not being mandatory
09:24:30LinusNhowever, i don't really see it as "spying" though
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09:25:21LinusNin fact, we should refrain from writing to the disk as much as possible
09:26:08JdGordonno, we should refrain from causing extra spinups...
09:26:17LinusNthat too
09:26:30LinusNevery disk write is a potential risk
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09:30:00JdGordonamiconn: can you draw up that diagram you were talking about how the quickscreen should look? and/or test out 8553 and let me know which screen/font/settings combos breaks it?
09:31:39JdGordonand on that bombshell.... /me going to bed
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09:36:18SlasheriJdGordon|zzz: looks good, if that works go ahead and commit :)
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09:54:30pondlifeJdGordon|zzz: I'm probably too late, but the disk write should only happen on ATA spinup (and shutdown if that doesn't come out in the wash).
09:54:38pondlifeNo other timers or counts required.
09:55:25pondlifeWe should be able to cache data for as many tracks as the buffer can hold, of course... I think it's still limited to 128 somewhere
09:56:25linuxstbIsn't that going to require a large cache? i.e. N tracks * MAX_PATH, plus whatever the data is?
09:57:12pondlifeMaybe, perhapas it should only do it using the database-in-RAM?
09:57:31pondlifeOr store it on buffer in the track header?
09:57:45*pondlife invents terminology as he goes along...
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10:07:06pondlif1rasher: Regarding my VM attempt, you asked about the output of lspci. I don't seem to have such a command.
10:08:20pondlif1I'm downloading VMWare Server right now..
10:11:34GodEaterpondlif1: lspci is usually only in the PATH for the root user
10:11:49GodEaterand downloading VMWare server won't fix it if it's not there in the vmimage ;)
10:12:02GodEaterit should, however, be present in both the VMs you got from me
10:12:02pondlif1I know, but it might help with my networking grief
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10:12:11GodEater(and should report the same thing as it would in rasher's)
10:12:32pondlif1I was logged on as root btw
10:12:50pondlif1I've uninstalled VMWare Player, will try both images again in a while
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10:40:05gevaertsSo, did anyone else use my patch to brick a player yet ?
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10:42:00GodEaternot yet ;)
10:42:10*daurnimator waves
10:42:12GodEaterI'm looking at how to make it play nice with the 80GB ipods at the moment
10:42:40pondlif1gevaerts: Did your later fixes resolve rasher's filesystem problem?
10:42:48pondlif1I mean, prevent it reoccuring ;)
10:43:02linuxstbgevaerts: Still no luck recovering your player/
10:45:47gevaertspondlif1: They might. They do fix my problem (i.e. writing to the wrong flash(), and they do more error checking on incoming transfers, so things should at least be better.
10:46:59gevaertslinuxstb: not yet. I played a bit with the e200r tools and got code to run on the device (I can manipulate the button lights), but I couldn't get flash access yet. I'll spend more time on it tonight
10:49:52pixelmaso I was lucky that the patch didn't work on windows anyways... :o
10:51:39gevaertspixelma: yes. Using the sd card with the new version should be "safe" though (but will still not work on windows)
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10:53:25gevaertsI was wondering if the failure to switch to the USB screen on sansa might indicate that other component's disk access is not shut down properly, which might possibly account for some corruption issues.
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10:55:00gevaertsIn which case the current patch should work better on ipod than on sansa. Anyone with both willing to try ?
10:57:05pixelmafailure to switch to the USB screen? I could see it here...
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11:02:11gevaertspixelma: It doesn't happen everywhere, but from what people said yesterday people with sansas mostly didnt get the screen, and people with ipods (both of them...) got it. During my testing I only got the screen once or twice
11:02:52GodEatergevaerts: linuxstb only got the usb screen on his ipod once (iiuc)
11:03:01GodEaterI'm still getting it without fail though
11:03:26gevaertsGodEater: so it's a blocksize issue ;-)
11:03:28pondlif1GodEater: Did you try VMWare Server on XP (i.e. not Windows Server)?
11:03:57GodEaterpondlif1: yes
11:04:03GodEaterI've run it on XP and linux
11:04:32GodEatergevaerts: how does the usb storage stuff send back the number of cylinders ?
11:04:40GodEaterI've noticed it's still going back to the OS wrong
11:06:20gevaertsGodEater: It gets the total number of sectors directly from the disk (using the ata IDENTIFY data), and sends that back. The ata spec specifies sectors as 512 bytes.
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11:06:54gevaertsOn larger-sector systems we have to translate this number, but I don't know how to find the sector size to use.
11:07:40GodEatergevaerts: I think we should stick to using 512 byte sectors, since this is the size Rockbox's ATA driver works with
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11:08:00LinusNgevaerts: check for phys_sector_mult in ata.c
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11:10:09GodEateridentify_info[106] right ?
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11:10:39LinusNGodEater: yes
11:12:05gevaertsLinusN: Do you mind if I make phys_sector_mult non-static, or should I re-get the value (I'm already getting some other stuff from identify_info, so that would not be too involved) ?
11:12:32GodEaterI think making it non-static makes more sense
11:12:37LinusNme too
11:12:54GodEaterno point redoing work that's already done elsewhere
11:13:58LinusNon the other hand, the usb driver should have read identify[106] already...
11:14:44LinusNah, i misunderstood your last comment
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11:15:23LinusNwe should perhaps mimic the sector/block size that the apple bootloader uses
11:15:32LinusN(on the 5.5g)
11:16:55GodEaterLinusN: what do you mean ?
11:17:05GodEaterdo you mean apple's disk mode ?
11:17:43GodEaterI think that would involve a lot more work for our usb storage code to do
11:17:55LinusNyou think so?
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11:18:10GodEaterit would have to be constantly translating between what the computer OS is expecting, and what our ATA driver is expecting
11:18:47LinusNyes, adjusting sector addresses and sector amounts
11:19:00GodEaterI think that provided we can implement sending back the right disk size info the host OS, then we have much less work to do
11:19:29LinusNcould be
11:19:45pondlif1But would our method be slower at high speed?
11:19:56GodEaterour method is already slow for disk writes
11:20:13GodEatereven if we didn't introduce all the translating at the USB level
11:20:28AdRockNeed some help. Wanna get rockbox on @ e260, but I turn my player on and I get this message-rockbox boot loader version 4.0 sandisk sansa e260 no partition found, I can't get the firmware to load for either rockbox AND the sansa firmware. ????
11:20:34*GodEater wonders if it's time for someone to give addressing the problem at the FAT level another go
11:20:42*pondlif1 was just typing that
11:20:44GodEateralthough I hasten to add that person isn't me =(
11:20:44BagderAdRock: what firmware version does your player run?
11:21:03AdRockfor rbox or factory?
11:21:16Bagdera bootloader says that
11:21:21Bagderthen it is installed
11:21:23AdRockI dunno
11:21:37Bagderhow did you install this, what procedure are you following?
11:21:50*pondlif1 really likes the latest RBUtil pre-release...
11:22:36GodEaterLinusN, gevaerts:
11:22:40BagderAdRock: and the unbrick wiki page is your best bet to get back to a known proper state
11:23:01GodEaterthat pastebin shows the way the disk is identified by fdisk for three different sector sizes given over USB by Rockbox, and the original Apple firmware
11:24:09AdRockI haven't installed the full rockbox build yet. Had an old version, deleted it, reset the plater and now can't get the player to load shit. Not even the factory firmware. Did a full format of the player to see if it would wipe everything clean(done it be4-loaded orig. sansa firmware)but now I fon't get squat
11:24:46AdRocki got it plugged in. It comes up on my pc as a fat32 disk
11:24:49pondlif1Gah, VMWare Server wants a serial number...
11:24:59pondlif1I registered but didn't see one
11:25:12GodEaterpondlif1: one sec - I have a stack of them
11:25:40BagderAdRock: beeep, format is badness
11:25:54Bagderthen again, go the unbrick route
11:27:11Zagorgevaerts: a bit late, but good work on the code.
11:27:24AdRockIs the unbrick when the hold switch is on, holding the rec. button, pressing the power(menu)button and releasing it? Tried that and it says enter usb2.0 MSD mode
11:29:29gevaertsZagor: thanks. A pity my last test half-bricked my player though
11:29:37AdRockThe version file text comes up in the E: submenu on my pc, it says−−−−Version Info: Product Rev.:
11:29:57Zagorgevaerts: if you can't revive it, we'll get you a new one
11:30:09GodEaterZagor: hahaha - where from ? :)
11:30:20AdRockThe pc recoginzed the player only as 16MB-FORMAT(E:)
11:30:31GodEaterdoes Rockbox have a stash of V1 Sansas somewhere ?
11:30:32BagderAdRock: that's recovery mode
11:30:39Zagorc250 isn't hard to come by
11:30:49GodEaterI'll take your word for it :)
11:30:54BagderZagor: well, lots of them are v2s these days
11:30:55Zagoroh darn, they're v2. silly me,.
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11:31:31gevaertsZagor: It should be possible. I'm going to try something like e200rpatcher to rewrite my partition table.
11:32:03AdRockWell, if it's in recovery mode, it's not doing anything. The player's screen is still saying−−-Welcome To Recovery Mode Please Connect USB Cable. USB Cable Connected. Enter USB2.0 MSD Mode
11:32:22BagderAdRock: recovery mode is for recovery, it doesn't "do" anything
11:32:41BagderI think I mentioned the unbrick wiki page already
11:33:29AdRockok. didn't know that. sorry. Well then, i'm stumped. didn't see any info on an unbrick wiki.
11:33:59Bagderok, I did the 2 seconds search for you:
11:34:11Bagderthere's no info there?
11:34:37AdRockwasn't looking on rockbox's page.
11:34:46Bagderyou should, this is #rockbox...
11:36:36gevaertsGodEater: What model do you have ? I'm preparing a new patch, but I'd like to do a test build first
11:37:12GodEateriPod 5.5G 80GB
11:37:18GodEaterBlack :)
11:37:27LinusNgevaerts: so you can't prepare the partition table using UMS?
11:37:57LinusNGodEater: ah, i remember having one of those... :-)
11:38:14gevaertsLinusN: on my sansa ? no. it doesn't connect properly
11:38:41gevaertsLinusN: all sorts of scsi errors
11:40:01Bagderit seems gevaerts has found a weird new middle-ground for a kind of brickness
11:40:18Bagderwhere the OF reads data off the nand and believes it to be true
11:40:33gevaertsGodeater : can you try patch I just uploaded ? It should handle blocksize conversion
11:40:46GodEatergevaerts: with pleasure
11:41:36gevaertsBagder: I didn't "find" it. It took some hard work to get it that way ;=)
11:41:47Bagderright, you *created* it
11:41:53AdRockOk. I can't get into any sort of recovery mode or manufacturing mode. I have the E: device file and the version(recovery partition???) showing, but don't have any .mi4 files for original sansa firmware.
11:42:17BagderAdRock: then get one from
11:43:44AdRockI see 3 diff. ones. Any particular one to go with?
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11:44:20AdRock2=regular bl rom, 1=regular bl
11:44:38Bagderyou want a .mi4 one
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11:46:14amiconnGodEater: Our ata sector size handling is *only* slow if ata_write_sectors is *actually* called for single sector transfers
11:46:25AdRockK. getting 1.02.15a saved to disk. once saved and opened, do i just take the .mi4 file and load it into the recovery partition?
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11:46:59amiconnIf the sector count in the call is a multiple of 2 (in case of the MK8011GAH), it doesn't slow down anything
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11:47:21LinusNamiconn: well, we still do 1-sector reads when parsing directories, don't we?
11:47:22amiconnSame goes for reading
11:47:35LinusNand we do that a lot, right?
11:47:43amiconnLinusN: In rockbox, yes. But usb transfers wnever would
11:47:49LinusNof course
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11:49:12amiconnThat said, our fat driver should learn to optionally handle larger blocks, allowing to trade ram for performance or vice versa, at compile time
11:49:15gevaertsamiconn: Windows does (if the device has a 512 bytes USB blocksize).
11:49:37amiconngevaerts: Yeah, but the G5.5 has 2048 bytes USB block size
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11:51:35GodEaterNew fdsik -l output :
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11:51:57GodEaterI'm dd'ing out the firmware partition as a test currently
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11:52:46eminn3mI know it says to ignore found new hardware popups but its not showing up as a drive
11:53:26eminn3mI have no way to access it
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11:53:50gevaertsGodEater: that looks interesting. At least the total size is now correct.
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11:54:08GodEatergevaerts: it was anyway when using 512 byte sectors (see earlier pastebin)
11:54:16GodEaterit's just the block counts which are different
11:55:16gevaertsMy guess is that it still won't work correctly. The partition table still doesn't match reality.
11:55:36GodEaterthe dd produced garbage again
11:55:37AdRockK. Got the player unbricked (f'ing finally-thanks badger) but now it is coming up 'Not enough free space, free up 6mb.) looked at the system info and it's showing a disk space and free space total of 0
11:56:25Bagderwow, what is saying that? the regular firmware?
11:56:33gevaertsGodeater: Can you change usb_storage.c line 246 to block_size_mult = 4; instead of phys_sector_mult ?
11:57:12GodEatergevaerts: one second
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12:01:38AdRockSorry. connection timed out. what do i do ?
12:02:27gevaertsAdRock: try going back to recovery mode as described on the wiki, and putting an empty file named 'sansa.fmt' on the 16MB rcovery partition
12:04:33LinusNGodEater: looks about right, doesn't it?
12:04:59AdRockby which means do i go about putting a new file into the partition folder? E: screen came up with Version text doc. and that's it
12:05:47GodEaterLinusN: is does
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12:08:27hcsIt's my fault for not paying attention, but is there a reason why inserting a single track (when playback was stopped) doesn't work?
12:09:24gevaertsGodEater: can you mount it ? (I'd try r/o for now...)
12:09:53GodEaterI'm trying a dd first
12:09:56GodEaterit's still running
12:10:48LinusNhcs: that bug has been reported earlier, i don't know if it has been researched though
12:10:51*GodEater sees an apple copyright ascii art image
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12:11:56hcsLinusN: is there a new playback mechanism? is there a flyspray entry I should look at?
12:12:52*GodEater sees a directory listing!
12:13:07LinusNhcs: there are plenty of (i think) related flyspray tasks, plus a bunch of threads in the forum
12:13:13Bagderthat's great
12:13:29markunGodEater: congrats!
12:13:31AdRockDamnit....I'm getting pissed. I got the firmware to boot, got the main screen and options on the sansa e26o f/w, but it's showing that I have 0.0 space at all for storage. WTF???
12:13:43LinusNhcs: for example FS #8520
12:13:58gevaertsAdRock: Can you go to the settings menu and choose "format" ?
12:14:18markunGodEater: I was assuming this was about the Gigabeat S, but I see I was mistaken, right?
12:14:28hcsLinusN: thanks
12:14:34GodEatermarkun: iPod sorry markun
12:14:40*GodEater is doing about 9 things at once
12:14:42pixelmahcs: that's a very weird bug, I only get it on certain folders and in such a folder it also skips the 3rd track when playing from a point with more than 2 tracks remaining
12:15:21hcspixelma: yeah I've noticed odd playlist skipping, too
12:15:27AdRocksettings listed-radio options, music options, slideshow options, backlight, language, time and date, brightness, bolume, reset all, info, auto shut off, usb mode. That's it
12:15:31gevaertsDoes anyone have a suggestion about how to find out this 2048 byte sector size thing ? Should I just check for the build model, or is there a more general way to do it ?
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12:16:08pixelmahcs: couldn't find out what determines such a folder... :\
12:16:41hcspixelma: it's new behavior, though, this always used to work. any determination when it was introduced?
12:16:50gevaertsAdRock: do you et a drive letter when you plug it in ? If not, try setting the usb mode to MSC.
12:17:33LinusNgevaerts: i don't know of a sure-fire way to do it
12:18:08GodEaterI'm getting usb device resets like linuxstb was yesterday too
12:18:14GodEaterbut otherwise it's great :)
12:18:17AdRockIt says exception processing message and then a bunch of numbers and letters, and i have it in msc mode
12:19:23pixelmahcs: unfortunately no, can't give an exact date. I realised now that I haven't heard track three in one of my favourite albums I listen to regularly, must be a few weeks
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12:21:02gevaertsAdRock: Try going back to the recovery mode, and put a file called sansa.fmt on it. If you can't make one, I put one at gevaerts/sansa.fmt"> you can download.
12:21:11hcspixelma: ok, just wondered if it'd be a waste for me to go looking
12:22:24AdRockgot booted again. sorry. anyways, it says-exception processing message then a bunch of numbers and letters.=window-no disk. when i go into my pc, it shows E: and F: but i click on them both and it says please insert disk into drive :
12:22:57hcsalso yay for whoever decided BUTTON_VOL_UP for e200 but BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK for c200
12:23:07AdRocki clicked on your link geavers and i get a blank page
12:23:32gevaertsAdRock: right-click and save it
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12:24:12AdRockk. i just load that into the recovery partition then?
12:24:19gevaertsAdRock: yes
12:24:23Soul-Burnfeature request: when a directory is empty in the file manager, it should show it somehow, otherwise you get an empty screen which is not intuitive, and scary the first time
12:25:05ZagorLinusN: isn't there some way to tell from the disk that it's a 2048 model?
12:25:41LinusNZagor: the thing is that the disk is a 1024-byte model, it's apple's idea to make the block size 2048 bytes
12:25:50pixelmahcs: in these folders, I also have the problem that resume will start at the beginning of the next track not at the resume point. And I was testing this a while ago and found resume started misbehaving with r16105 (which surprised me too) - *but* this was before I noticed it's only certain folders for me and I'm not so sure anymore if it's the same thing
12:25:54LinusNand i believe it does that even if the disk is a 512-byte model
12:26:38AdRockI tried saving the file/link and it only comes up as the option to save link as. I tried saving it and i get nothing.
12:26:49pixelmahcs: what do you mean with the button definitions?
12:26:51LinusNi don't know if all 5.5G models use a 2048-byte block size
12:27:04GodEaterLinusN: do we know if any other RB targets use the same exact drive model ?
12:27:28LinusNi don't know of any
12:27:32*LinusN goes to lunch
12:27:47GodEaterthen we could base our block size check on the drive model (nasty nasty hack)
12:27:50AdRockman, my player is supremely fucked
12:27:52GodEaterbut I can't think of another way to do it
12:28:04BagderAdRock: not really
12:28:04hcspixelma: never mind, was confusion on my part
12:29:03AdRockwell, i got the sansa.fmt file into the e: partition. E: screen reads-Version-txt file 1kb. sansa.fmt fmt file 0kb.
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12:29:33gevaertsAdRock: OK. Now choose "safe remove", and unplug the sansa
12:30:08AdRockscreen reads- formatting
12:30:15gevaertsWe could of course read the fat boot sector, but that's not really clean
12:30:33gevaertsAdRock: OK. that's what it should do
12:31:38gevaertsAdRock: Now just wait until it resets itself
12:31:41AdRockthe only reason this started on me is that everytime i used rockbox's database on my player, it would go extremely slow. Eg. wouldn't load files sometimes, would take hours to build a database for roughly 1k mp3 files, wouldn't seek for different songs, etc.
12:32:06BagderAdRock: I would say that you should've tried a scandisk as step 1
12:32:42Bagderbut the good news is now you don't have to ;-)
12:32:48AdRockEven after I removed rockbox and did I full re-install of the software it would act up. Everything works perfectly within rockbox, except for the database
12:33:39AdRockWell, good shit. The orig. firmware is up and running finally with the correct storage amount. Whew. was worried for quite a bit
12:34:06gevaertsAdRock: great!
12:34:22Soul-BurnAdRock, did you load it to ram?
12:35:50AdRockThanks for all the help you guys. Now, as far as putting r/box back on, if the database still loads super slow or the player plays a song, even after i seek forward and it takes more that a min. or two, to get to the next track, what might the problem be?
12:38:58AdRockRockbox back up and running, database build taking 4ever again though. Only reading 1 file per 2 min or so. :(
12:38:59gevaertsAdRock: I'd say it is very possible that your problems were caused by a corrupted filesystem in the first place, so I don't think it makes much sense to speculate on other causes before ruling that out (note that I know nothing about how rockbox handles its filesystem and database)
12:39:12gevaertsAdRock: OK. So I was wrong...
12:40:00AdRockno worries.
12:41:08AdRockShit. Well, now the player isn't reading the micro sd drive, even though I have a 2gb card in it.
12:42:22AdRocktrying 1gb card.......damn. still coming up please insert disk into drive g: f: is fine (sansa player)
12:44:49amiconnLinusN: All G5.5s (i.e. both the 30GB and the 80GB model) uses 2048-byte usb block size
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12:45:05amiconnThe plain G5, however, uses 512 byte
12:45:47gevaertsamiconn: So only the G5.5 uses 2048 bytes ? Then it's probably easiest to just test for that. What's the correct #define to test for ?
12:46:36AdRockWell, the sansa firmware is up and running without a problem. same with rockbox, but within both, no recognization of the micro sd slot......??
12:48:37AdRocknothing eh???
12:49:01pixelmaSoul-Burn: for your interest - you can't load the database to RAM on the Sansas
12:49:23gevaertsAdRock: Sounds like a hardware problem to me, but you never know.
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12:50:34BagderAdRock: if the OF shows the problem, then surely it isn't due to rockbox and since both show this it sounds like something is broken
12:50:36Soul-Burnpixelma, didn't know :-P
12:50:41peppodo I need to buy a classic for any of the devs, or is this already taken care of? =)
12:50:58Bagderpeppo: I think you'd need to do more than that...
12:52:23amiconngevaerts: There is no #define, as the same build runs on both the G5 and G5.5
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12:52:54gevaertsamiconn: I just found that out. Is there another way to know ?
12:54:03AdRockIs there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card? tried the card seperately on my pc and phone and it's working fine.
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13:01:31AdRockIs there anyway to see if there is a problem with the micro sd slot and why it won't recognize a micro sd card?
13:01:54n1stry in the of?
13:02:14n1sorig. firmware
13:02:15GodEateroriginal firmware
13:02:30AdRockyea. nothing.
13:03:06AdRockit comes up on my pc. when i put it in a card reader, it comes up on my phone's slot, but nothing on the sansa firmware.
13:04:14AdRockeven when i have the card in the sansa and connected to my pc. it comes up as a please insert disk. Did I load a bad version of the firmware when i had to re-format the player?
13:04:32n1scould you try with a different card?
13:04:34amiconnIs it an SDHC card?
13:05:06AdRockI used a 1gb, 2gb. both reg. and then tried a 4gb hc.
13:05:06BagderAdRock: you can always run the sandisk firmware update thing to get the latest, afaiu
13:05:45AdRockall cards xcept for the 4gb. show up on my pc, phone and in the past on the sansa.
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13:06:53AdRockrunning the sansa updater, but it shows nothing. running v.1.02.15a firmware. Any possible way to downgrade by a version?
13:07:01amiconnThat's expected then, afaik the sansa OF doesn't support SDHC
13:07:16amiconn4GB and higher are SDHC cards
13:08:24AdRockknow that. i only used to use the 4gb with rockbox and a n95 & pc. with the adapter. norm. f/w in sansa and my razr don't recognize it.
13:08:26BagderAdRock: not using that tool I think
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13:09:44amiconnRockbox should be able to use it, yes. But you cannot access it from the PC
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13:10:50AdRockonly san access it from my pc. when i have the card in an sd reader card hooked up to a usb adapter. only way to add/delete files.
13:11:19*pixelma doesn't understand what amiconn is trying to say, me thinks AdRock's answers show he knows that
13:11:57kugelpixelma: I'm not entirely sure, but Load to RAM should be possible on e200
13:12:14kugelthe option is there
13:12:22AdRockbe4 i was having problems w/my sansa, it was reading the regular microsd cards, up until i had to re-format the player, go into recovery mode and re-install the factory firmware
13:13:07kugelpixelma: on c200 as well
13:13:42pixelmakugel: with an SVN build? If I read correctly that option is only defined when you have both dircache and database, and dircache is not defined in SVN. It's definitely not there on my c200
13:14:02kugelthen the manual is wrong
13:14:25kugelhowever, I remember the option on the e200
13:14:29pixelmathat wouldn't surprise me... :\
13:15:14amiconnDircache is not enabled in svn for both c200 and e200
13:15:37amiconnThis is because it cannot handle multivolume and hotswap
13:15:53amiconnIt was enabled before multivolume support
13:17:11pixelmakugel: unfortunately the manual doesn't update itself with changes in the code...
13:17:21pixelmaI mean to rockbox
13:17:30AdRockSo, any thoughts/ideas on how to get the micro sd slut on the e260 to work again?
13:17:37kugelamiconn: yes, you are right. I think I was confused, since the "dircache on multivolume targets" patch enables load to ram as well
13:18:18kugelpixelma: Yea, I noticed that several times too
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13:22:07pixelman1s: reminds me a bit of the idea of parsing the features.txt to UseOptions...
13:22:41n1sah, yes, had totally forgotten about that
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13:23:02n1sWould need a bit of script fu though...
13:23:47pixelmawhich I definitely not have
13:24:34peturBagder: east cost? :p
13:24:59Bagderit wasn't underlined! ;-P
13:25:01n1spixelma: I'll try to look into it tomorrow if I feel motivated :) thanks for the reminder
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13:27:14peturif USD is dirt cheap, maybe the US people can fly over here as their flight tickets will be cheaper...
13:27:37Bagderthey're cheaper for us, yes
13:27:41hcsnot if our money is USD
13:27:43Bagderso we can buy them tickets
13:28:13pixelmaUS has one disadvantage for europeans - the new passports (or at least I don't have and needed one yet)
13:28:24Bagderah yeah
13:28:29*petur would need a new passport too :/
13:28:43Bagderbut all places will have their pros and cons
13:29:13BagderI think the major issue is to get someone local to "host"
13:30:18pixelmaand a location with the right equipment
13:32:54GodEaterdidn't a hotel room suffice in Las Vegas for devcon west ?
13:33:14Bagderyeah, there ought to be hotels that can offer help for this
13:33:27GodEaterI thought they all pitched in for a suite
13:33:34GodEaterand then hung out in it's "living room2
13:33:46Bagderyes, but if we're a somewhat larger group a suite might get crowded
13:33:54GodEatertwo suites then
13:33:59GodEateradjoining ;)
13:34:10GodEaterrock stars do that all the time - hire the top floor of the hotel out ;)
13:34:26*petur would be allowed to host it at work...
13:36:13Bagdermaybe we should just gather such offers in a devcon2008 wiki page
13:36:21GodEatergood idea
13:36:23markunBagder: I wouldn't mind visiting New York again. We could ask some of the guys from the RockboxNYC meeting.
13:36:39GodEaterwe only need to wait another couple of hours for them to wake up
13:37:03hcsI live close to NYC, fwiw, and would prefer a meet there.
13:37:26GodEaterhcs: could you *organise* one though ?
13:37:34hcsno, thus "fwiw"
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13:38:53BagderI live close too, just a 6-7 hours flight ;-)
13:38:53markunLet's ask Davice-NYC and Lambda
13:39:16*Bagder guesses, can't remember the actual time
13:39:35markunBagder: It was 6 hours from NYC to Amsterdam
13:39:43peturhow to prices for tickets compare EU/US? are the tickets in the EU cheaper?
13:39:58kugeloh, I'd like to join your meeting very much
13:40:09markunlast time google payed my ticket. Maybe we should ask them again ;)
13:40:18Bagderkugel: I expect it to be open for everyone who wants to join
13:40:31kugelNot only for devs?
13:40:35Bagderwe're all devs
13:40:44markunand I know a very nice vietnamese restaurant in Chinatown where we can eat :)
13:41:01Bagdermarkun: you think we can have the meet there? :-)
13:41:15Bagdermeet and meat
13:41:20kugelBagder: I meant for devs with svn commit access of course :)
13:41:49Bagderkugel: I truly meant everyone
13:42:28kugelThough, I doubt I'll have time until end of april
13:42:31markunBagder: only if you don't mind having a lot of chinese people around you having dinner :)
13:43:06GodEaterand getting soy sauce in your keyboard
13:43:59markunI also found a much more quiet restaurant in chinatown with a lot of white tourists, but the food was terrible.
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13:44:29*GodEater doesn't need to go all the way to NYC to see tourists and bad food
13:44:34LinusNi'd love to visit new york again, it's been a while
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13:44:44GodEaterme too - I've not been since I was 17!
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13:45:06GodEaterheck, the WTC was still there last time I went
13:45:07*petur checked flight prices... 735 euro (Brussels-NY) :(
13:45:20GodEaterpetur: you flying first class? :)
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13:46:14GodEaterwhen are we looking at doing this ?
13:46:17pondlif1London-NY should be reasonable....
13:46:25GodEaterMarch / April / May / Later ?
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13:47:16GodEaterflights are usually cheaper the further in advance that you book them
13:47:44BagderI suggest(ed) late June
13:47:53kugelwell, it's gonna be too expensive for me
13:47:54*GodEater goes on a flight hunt
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13:48:22*petur found flights for 492 euro... bit better ;)
13:48:38markunwith enough people we can hire our own jet ;)
13:49:06Bagderyay, just one lap around the world to fill it up!
13:49:11pixelmamarkun: would that include "pick up" service from different home airports
13:49:19markunpixelma: of course :)
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13:50:18Bagderthe mighty rockbox fund comes to use again ;-P
13:50:59*petur is down to 452 euro :D
13:51:26kugelCan't we just do the meet in berlin? at least two devs and me live there :)
13:51:33preglowi can't find anything cheaper than about 1k euro...
13:51:44preglowthat's one way
13:51:46markunI wouldn't mind having it in germany if it's cheaper to buy tickets from the USA for example
13:51:59peturBerlin would be fine
13:52:11markunand berlin is a great city
13:52:12*pixelma wouldn't mind Berlin too ;)
13:52:26Bagderwe'll need some input from the US guys
13:52:30markunmy sister lives there, but I don't think she would like us to have the meeting in her house ;)
13:52:50Bagderthere are rumors about aussie guys too, but those are probably just rumors ;-)
13:52:50peturonly 66 euro :)
13:53:18*Bagder is off for now
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13:54:34preglow680 euro
13:55:10peturIt would be best to look at who wants to come and optimize towards lower transport costs...
13:55:20kugelI can't find anything below 600€ from berlin to nyc
13:58:19kugelrandom google hit while searching for a ticket:
13:59:42markunI get some javascript error while searching with from NYC to BER
14:00:08preglowwell, i'm not blowing this amount of money for a weekend involving anything but being carried around on a throne, i'll tell you that :)
14:00:35peturwhat about some beer? ;)
14:00:39*preglow finds out exactly how insane norwegian airplane ticket prices are
14:00:49preglowpetur: ohh, beer pickings are nice in the us indeed... but not enough time to be hung over :P
14:01:34pondlif1There's always enough time to be hungover
14:01:41ZagorI had the impression the majority of developers are european
14:01:42preglowi tried the whole "seriously hung over while traveling by plane" thing last summer, not the most fun i've ever had
14:01:54preglowZagor: i think they are, but plenty of us people around here now too
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14:03:17pondlif1Are flights obviously cheaper in one direction compared to the other?
14:03:41ZagorI would expect most of us going both ways ;)
14:03:41pondlif1i.e. bought in the US vs bought in Europe?
14:03:59pondlif1The devcon that never ended
14:04:06LinusNor ended in jail
14:04:24preglownocks about 140 eur off the price here
14:04:28preglowknocks too
14:04:49pondlif1Seems like about £229 is the cheapest London -> NY I can see. That's only valid until the end of April
14:05:11*amiconn wonders whether the quoted prices so far are one direction or both
14:05:30pondlif1Return, I hope. And including taxes
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14:05:41peturmine were return, all in
14:06:06*pondlif1 votes for DevConBelgium
14:06:09preglowmine are one-way, depressingly
14:06:34preglowso no, us devcon would probably be way out of my economic league
14:07:05*amiconn can only find return flights Berlin-NYC for ~820EUR
14:07:32LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Yikes! To which airport in NYC?
14:07:33kugelGuys, the best argument for not doing the meet in the US is for me, that the EUs wouldn't have to submit all the very personal data to the US
14:08:16preglownot having to bother with the passport business would be sweet too, but not a showstopper
14:08:33amiconnNeward and JFK
14:08:37*pondlif1 just wants to avoid rubber gloves
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14:08:49LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Try LuGuardia.
14:08:50preglowi hear they have a delicate touch :)
14:08:51amiconnThey don't make a significant difference
14:08:58pondlif1My flight offer just says NYC - that's not an airport is it?
14:09:06preglownyc has several
14:09:08pondlif1From: Heathrow (LHR)
14:09:08pondlif1To: New York, USA (NYC)
14:09:11preglowbig city...
14:09:12LambdaCalculus37pondlif1: We have three major airports.
14:09:12kugelDon't you agree with me?
14:09:27LambdaCalculus37JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark-Liberty.
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14:09:29preglowcheapest i found had me landing in jfk
14:09:42LambdaCalculus37preglow: How much?
14:10:00LinusNkugel: what "very personal data" would that be?
14:10:35LambdaCalculus37LinusN: This, perhaps:
14:10:59kugelLinusN: It includes, but is not limited to i.e. finger prints
14:11:42kugelTraveling to the US means actually giving up privacy
14:12:02peturyup, seems they can copy all of your pc/memstick/dap for examining
14:12:28hcsI know I'd be reluctant to come here if I wasn't a citizen...
14:12:45LinusNinteresting indeed
14:13:03pondlifeHmm, don't think I'll be adding to a US Tower Of Rockbox...
14:13:36pixelmafor me travelling to NYC would be flight cost + passport cost (though how much that really is depends on whether I have use for it at a later time)
14:13:54preglowpixelma: do you know how soon they expire?
14:13:58pondlifepassport cost? Do they need the biometrics now?
14:14:10peturpixelma/pondlife: indeed
14:14:15amiconnWould be the first time ever I'd need a passport
14:14:27pixelmapondlife: I think so, at least I know I'd need a new one
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14:14:41peturlast time I was in the US I swore it was the last time :/
14:14:43pixelmapreglow: no idea
14:14:53*LambdaCalculus37 is reminded of now needing a passport to even just travel to Canada
14:15:01amiconnAnd I'm undecided whether I should do that at all, because of all the biometrics and data collection stuff
14:15:33kugelpreglow: they exporte in about 75 years
14:15:36pondlifeBack on-topic. the H300 remote's lack of a NAVI button is a pain when you hit a yes/no question
14:15:48pondlifeIs there an alternative button?
14:16:21pondlifeIt should say "NAVI/PLAY = Yes, Any Other = No"...
14:16:36peturpondlife: try to operate the virtual keyboard on an H10....
14:16:42preglowmy, they really are going a bit crazy over there, aren't they
14:16:53pondlifeJust a bit
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14:20:25*petur thinks he will not be admitted to the US anyway because he is a member of the 'fuck Bush' group on
14:20:38kugelthe data contains such sensible stuff like finger prints, religion, creditcard number
14:21:04pondlifepetur: Now you're being paranoid
14:21:26pondlifeHmm, religion??
14:21:48*preglow tries to remember if he has a criminal record
14:22:07*pondlife fills in "Religion: n/a"
14:22:25pixelmasuspicious ;)
14:22:29pondlifeSo, do I get in??
14:23:02kugelof course. If you are islamic you are suspicious
14:23:04Zagorpondlife: sure, as long as two party officials follow you everywhere you go :)
14:23:17Zagoroh wait, that was another country
14:23:32pondlifeDo they still ask "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?"
14:23:44pondlifeThat always made me chuckle, quite quaint.
14:23:46*LambdaCalculus37 would like to see the faces of TSA officials when he puts "SubGenius" as his religion :)
14:23:54kugelI think they ask for party memberships yes, not sure though
14:24:46Zagorsome of my friends have tried joking with the US customs about these things, and it isn't a good idea
14:25:00Zagorunless you have lots of time to kill
14:25:06pondlifeIndeed, and this channel is logged
14:25:09hcspondlife: they still ask if you're a member of an organization that has sworn to destroy the US
14:25:16hcs(in so many words)
14:25:24kugelamiconn: If you fear your DAP spying on you with data runtime collection, you shouldn't even think about traveling to the usa
14:25:24LambdaCalculus37hcs: We are NOT the Conspiracy. :)
14:25:49pixelmaso they expect someone to answer with "yes"?
14:25:50pondlife"Does your DAP have Gather Runtime Data enabled?"
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14:25:58hcsthey asked that on the forms for a US citizen applying for a passport...
14:26:20hcspixelma: there are people who do, I think
14:26:48Zagorpixelma: I've always assumed it is rather for when they find out you are, you are already guilty of a crime (lying to customs officials)
14:27:27hcswhat if I've sworn to destroy the US, but I'm not a member of an organization with that goal?
14:27:42pondlifeDepends on how organised you are?
14:27:44pixelmaweirdt hings
14:28:02Zagorhcs: that's the line of joking that had my friends spending many hours in very boring rooms
14:28:14pondlifeSound like my work
14:28:25hcsyeah, that's why I avoid it in govt saturated places
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14:29:07LambdaCalculus37Let's put it this way: At least for DevCon 2009, most of this BS with the government should be over with.
14:29:22*preglow doesn't get his hopes up
14:31:13ZagorLambdaCalculus37: I wouldn't be so sure.
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14:33:05LambdaCalculus37Zagor: We just have to see.
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14:36:10pixelmawhat about London? Aren't there a few devs from in or around London around here too?
14:36:45pondlifeThere are
14:37:01pondlifeBut London isn't cheap once you get there
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14:37:57pondlifeYou'd be better off in Amsterdam at that rate
14:38:16LambdaCalculus37Neither is New York City. But it's probably cheaper than London is.
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14:38:30*LambdaCalculus37 would fly to Amsterdam in a heartbeat if he could
14:38:30pixelmaas far as I know GBP is quite low compared to the Euro (atm)
14:38:34pondlifeHaha, let's do it in Tokyo!
14:38:38Zagorfinding a cheap place to have the conference is probably more important than the geographical location
14:39:08LambdaCalculus37Zagor: What if, say, we can find a hotel that also offers a confrence area for us to sit in?
14:39:17pondlifeCheap place, cheap flights, good beer, friendly police
14:39:43ZagorLambdaCalculus37: they tend to be rather expensive though. especially if we want it for 2+ days
14:39:49LambdaCalculus37pondlife: NYC has all but one: friendly police.
14:40:13pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: And cheap flights...
14:40:32hcsLambdaCalculus37: well, that'd be a bit more expensive
14:40:45pondlifeFriendly police for after good beer, friendly customs dudes for before
14:40:49kugelI still vote for berlin, depending on where you are it's between moderate and very cheap prizes
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15:11:00*soap still thinks the investment in a travel agent will pay for itself.
15:12:01soap"I want to hold a affordable conference for N people arriving from X, Y, and Z. What would be the most economical location taking into account average air-fare and lodging?"
15:12:16soapThey do that sort of thing for a living.
15:12:49Zagorsoap: yeah, but how many do that (well) internationally?
15:13:04soapI guessing quite a few, honestly.
15:13:49Zagora tricky thing is we don't really know who's coming until after we decice on location...
15:15:20soapThe trick would be to find one who will provide said service as a service, for a fee, not commission. Somebody amongst all the potential attendees is bound to be only one or two degrees separated from an agent who will crunch the numbers for a fee.
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15:20:15LambdaCalculus37I'll look up some travel agents in New York and get some rates.
15:20:49GodEatera friend of a friend of mine works in a Flight Centre round the corner, and could probably at least help with finding cheap flights
15:21:00LambdaCalculus37What we need is an average number of people who are going to show, so we can also look at lodging.
15:21:20Horschtthe mother of a friend of a friend of a cousin of my sisters bff.. etc.
15:21:42GodEaterthe tricky thing for me is going to be "her in doors". If I announce I'm off to NYC for a weekend, she's going to want to come too...
15:21:56*petur checks LinkedIn
15:23:48GodEaterisn't that like Facebook "for professionals" ?
15:23:48LambdaCalculus37GodEater: My girlfriend may want to pop in as well if she's up for it.
15:24:13GodEaterI suspect if she's going to NYC, my young lady will be more interested in shopping than anything else =/
15:24:25GodEaterprobably at Tiffany's
15:24:41Horschtasif you'd have that much money
15:24:46*GodEater examines the large hold in his wallet
15:24:47LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Or Lord & Taylor's, or any of our overly expensive shops...
15:24:55GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: no - she wants a ring
15:25:24*GodEater curses "Sweet home Alabama" for putting ideas in her head
15:25:47peturif I go I'll be alone - our baby will be about 2 weeks by that time...
15:26:08GodEateryou'd want to leave that soon after he/she is born ?
15:26:28Horschthe's just getting a pack of cigarettes
15:26:32pondlifepetur: You like sleep?
15:26:48pondlifeIs that June or May?
15:26:56soapin the name of human decency, then, it must be held within land-transport distance from petur's house. 2 week old babies on airplanes should be a crime. ;)
15:26:57*XavierGr crosses fingers! :\
15:26:59peturbeginning of june
15:27:07*GodEater wonders about having to submit credit card numbers
15:27:16GodEaterhasn't happened to me recently on trips to the US
15:27:22GodEaterand I was only there in November
15:27:22*XavierGr hits the flash button!
15:27:27pondlifeI doubt that's required
15:27:33LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Where in the U.S.?
15:27:38pondlifeCard numbers are transient
15:27:47GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: er - nowhere of note
15:27:52GodEaternear Buffalo :)
15:28:03GodEaterI did have to do the fingerprint / photo thing
15:28:06GodEaterbut I don't really care
15:28:15GodEaterI've done it before going to Miami
15:28:21LambdaCalculus37The fingerprints and photos are the least of it.
15:28:28GodEaterI'd rather put up with it than not travel anywhere
15:28:34XavierGrSlasheri: are you there?
15:28:38kugelI read somewhere about the credit card number
15:28:53GodEaterkugel: well I have personal experience, and I can tell you that that's rubbish
15:29:01kugelbut I'm not entirly sure on that one
15:29:09pondlifeA card number doesn't mean much
15:29:26GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: what do you mean that "that's the least of it" ?
15:29:37pondlifeI can only imagine it being useful if you were on some kind of bail
15:29:42kugelBut that doesn't change anything. It's still a bunch of data, which is very personal, and I can't control their way through the US
15:29:44GodEaterthe only objection I have about travelling to the US is about how unfriendly the immigration people are
15:29:51GodEateronce you're through that though it's fun^2
15:29:54LambdaCalculus37GodEater: That's why.
15:30:11GodEaterThat's why what ?
15:30:17GodEateryou still haven't said anything
15:30:20LambdaCalculus37The fingerprints and photo are child's play compared to the immigration people's attitudes.
15:30:29GodEaterit takes 15 minutes
15:30:33GodEaterbig f'in deal
15:30:44GodEaterjust don't say anything contraversial
15:31:13GodEaterI've also never been asked my religion
15:31:19GodEateror political affiliations
15:31:20*pondlife pictures LambdaCalculus37 headed through immigration dressed like Castro in a bomb belt
15:31:25kugelI'm pretty sure about religion
15:31:36GodEaterkugel: I've been to the US a lot - it's never come up
15:31:42pondlifeI only recall the communist party question
15:31:54GodEaterthat's not there anymore
15:31:56soapin 1955?
15:31:57pondlifeBut that was years ago, I don't think they asked me last time
15:32:06pondlifeNah, about 1990
15:32:26pondlifeAfter the fall of the Berlin wall though ;)
15:32:36GodEateryeah I was there in '91, I vaguely recall it from back then
15:32:41GodEaterbut not since when I've been back
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15:34:24GodEaterin any case
15:34:35GodEaterI'm not refusing to go to a DevCon US side just because of paranoia
15:34:44GodEaterI'll go wherever :)
15:34:45pondlifeBerlin would be ok, but I've already been there. Would prefer a new place to look round.
15:34:59soapNova Scotia
15:35:02Zagorpondlife: you're not supposed to be outside the room ;)
15:35:11XavierGrSlasheri: Flashing the svn bootloader with the enable_flashing patch works!! :)
15:35:20*petur didn's see much of Sweden/Stockholm last time ;)
15:35:29XavierGrnow I have to compile the iriver_flash.rock and see what happens
15:35:30GodEaterI've not been to Berlin, so I'm not particularly fussed
15:35:42*LambdaCalculus37 thinks of other East Coast cities in the U.S.
15:35:44GodEaterbut as a general rule, US->EU flights are more pricey than the other way round
15:35:47pondlifeI can add a couple of days on for holiday
15:35:58GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: Miami :)
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15:36:18LambdaCalculus37GodEater: You need to have a car to even get around Miami!
15:36:28GodEaternot if you stay around SouthBeach
15:36:29LambdaCalculus37Unless you like walking... :P
15:36:42kugelGodEater: I just read this one:
15:36:44oboNewfoundrain :)
15:37:06GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: I liked Miami - didn't find I needed a car there
15:37:10kugelIt reads, that 34 data elements can be collected, but actually in most cases only 10-15 are collected
15:37:12soapCharlotte, or one of the other "lesser-known" international cities is likely cheaper, if I had to guess.
15:37:35kugelIt's an official paper
15:37:55GodEaterkugel: whatever - if you think you've got something to hide, or simply don't like the idea of the data collection - don't go.
15:37:56LambdaCalculus37GodEater: What part of Miami were you in? I lived there on and off and found that to get to certain parts of the city and couty, you NEED a car.
15:38:07GodEaterSouth Beach as a I say
15:38:22*GodEater tries to remember the name of the road one back from the beach
15:38:38GodEaterbegan with a C
15:38:54LambdaCalculus37Collins Avenue.
15:39:13*LambdaCalculus37 has been in South Beach plenty of times
15:39:14GodEaterthat's the one :)
15:39:18GodEaterI loved it there
15:39:25GodEaterMrs. Godeater and I would love to retire there
15:39:39LambdaCalculus37Saaaaay..... *light bulb!*
15:39:52LambdaCalculus37Who would mind Miami?
15:40:11*GodEater wants to stay at the Delano next time he goes
15:40:27LambdaCalculus37(Just a thought ;) )
15:41:20GodEatermind you, it'd be a) murderously hot in late June, and b) right in the middle of hurricane season, and c) full of tourist / holiday maker types
15:41:38GodEaterso probably not the best time to go
15:42:10pondlifeLate June is no good for me anyway. Wouldn't flights be cheaper if we can get it earlier (May, perhaps)?
15:42:58GodEaterBagder said late June, so I'm just quoting him
15:43:11peturearlier would be cheaper I'd think
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15:43:17scorchebah.... /me reads backscroll
15:43:20pondlifeOK, but it might be less hurricane-y earlier too
15:43:30GodEaterhurricane season is like 9 months long :)
15:43:34pondlifeHence making Miami more suitable
15:43:59GodEaterI think December, Jan and Feb are the only months not in "Hurricane Season"
15:44:18LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Hurricane season there is June to November.
15:44:26pondlifeThere were Dec and Jan hurricanes last year IIRC
15:44:27GodEaterah - I'm slightly off then
15:44:31pondlifeMost unusual though
15:44:39GodEaterwouldn't worry me anyway
15:44:45GodEaterjust huddle indoors and ride it out :)
15:44:59GodEaterif you were in a hotel you'd be fine
15:45:04pondlifeMe neither, I have that English-love-of-weather thing. It'll get me killed one day.
15:45:08GodEaterhehe me too
15:45:25GodEater"oooh look, a tornado" *goes for a closer look*
15:45:42GodEater"is this a piece of fence post protuding from my stomach?"
15:46:09XavierGrSlasheri: ping
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15:48:24GodEaterI even went in the "Hurricane Simulator" at Wonderworks on International Drive in Orlando
15:48:27GodEaterit was fab :)
15:48:53LambdaCalculus37Rockbox: Now with more hurricane cleaning action. :)
15:49:03GodEaterI can find flights to NYC for £229 pondlife
15:49:19GodEaternot too bad
15:49:19LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Which airport do they land in?
15:49:38GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: uno momento
15:50:05*GodEater wonders why all these travel agent sites seem to be so over-engineered
15:50:19GodEaterEWR ?
15:50:37GodEaterthis is BA pondlife
15:50:41hcsah, Newark, glorious
15:50:46GodEaterthat's Newarjk then
15:50:54pondlifeNewark is an anagram
15:50:56GodEaterthe "armpit of america" as it was once descrived to be
15:50:59SlasheriXavierGr \o
15:51:04SlasheriI just came home
15:51:13XavierGrHi, welcome back :)
15:51:19LambdaCalculus37GodEater: New Jersey IS the "armpit of America". :) A very smelly one.
15:51:25XavierGrSlasheri: The svn bootloader with the flash_enable patch works
15:51:29LambdaCalculus37But I can fetch people from Newark.
15:51:37SlasheriXavierGr: oh, that sounds great :)
15:51:42XavierGrI now just need to run the iriver_flash.rock but...
15:51:58Slasherihmm, but?
15:51:59XavierGrSlasheri: where is the bootloader.iriver file that the wiki says (IriverFlashing)
15:52:41Slasherijust a moment
15:52:45GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: Newark is where I flew into last time
15:52:55GodEaterI've seen much worse parts of the world in London, trust me
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15:53:29SlasheriXavierGr: it's the compiled rockbox.iriver in the same directory you have the bootloader.bin
15:53:31pondlifeBack in 1990 I flew through JFK, that was not a nice airport
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15:53:59LambdaCalculus37pondlife: JFK has been fixed up since then.
15:54:12SlasheriXavierGr: but you got the flash version of bootloader already running? then, it should be safe to skip that
15:54:24Slasheriand proceed directly to flashing rombox.iriver
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15:54:57XavierGrSlasheri: I did this: Checked up the newest svn version patched it with the flash_enable patch
15:55:00Slasheriafter that you can flash rockbox.iriver too if it works
15:55:16XavierGrSlasheri: But of course I still need to flash it with iriver_flash.rock
15:55:26SlasheriXavierGr: sounds great
15:55:31Slasheriindeed, but don't do that yet
15:55:48XavierGrSlasheri: The problem is that I can't find bootloader.iriver (is it build on normal builds or bootloader builds?)
15:55:51Slasheritest the flash plugin first with rombox.iriver, that shouldn't be able to destroy anything but the OF
15:56:09XavierGralso if I try to run iriver_flash with the rockbox.iriver then it will exit saying incompatible bootloader
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15:56:26SlasheriXavierGr: there is no bootloader.iriver. rockbox.iriver is built during bootloader build and you need to rename that to bootloader.iriver
15:56:29XavierGrSlasheri: there is no rombox.iriver build for my H115 :\
15:56:43XavierGrSlasheri: ah okay
15:56:53SlasheriXavierGr: you need to disable that check, or take the checksum of the bootloader
15:57:14SlasheriXavierGr: there will be if you enabled all the flash things
15:57:20Slasherior should be..
15:58:08SlasheriXavierGr: but don't try the bootloader.iriver flashing yet, just the rombox.iriver (or rockbox.iriver)
15:58:14Slasheriwith those bootloader checks disabled
15:58:37gevaertsHow does the disk code parse the partition table on an ipod G5.5 correctly ? i.e. how does it find the correct offsets in a partition table that assumes 2048 byte sectors ?
15:58:53XavierGrSlasheri: my patch only disabled the crc check is there another check in this?
16:00:41SlasheriXavierGr: rombox.iriver should be already on your player if you unzipped the generated install zip
16:01:11XavierGrwell that's the problem it isn't there
16:01:22XavierGrprobably it didn't get built
16:01:31Slasheriah, indeed
16:01:51XavierGrwhere is the code that enables it, it seems I missed that
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16:02:09Slasheriyou need to patch tools/configure
16:02:33Slasherithere is in h120 section: flash="$pwd/rombox.iriver"
16:02:38Slasheriput that to the h100 section too
16:03:21XavierGryeah just saw that thanks
16:03:35SlasheriXavierGr: and for the flashing plugins, remove those detect_valid_bootloader -calls
16:04:29Slasherithen you should be able to go for it
16:04:44XavierGrok will try in a moment
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16:06:03XavierGrheh the patch disabled only one call for it
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16:09:16XavierGrSlasheri: so you think that if flashing rombox.iriver succeeds it will be safe to try rockbox.iriver?
16:09:54Slasheriyep, actually it's safe to try both of them. but a little better in that order
16:10:37Slasheriflashing either of those isn't fatal if it fails
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16:12:13Slasheriand after that you could flashing the bootloader.iriver too (just make sure to rename the correct rockbox.iriver, from the bootloader folder!)
16:14:29XavierGrSlasheri: Question: Ok rombox.iriver flashes the firmware to rom, rockbox.iriver flashes the firmware to flash what's the bootloader.iriver for?
16:15:27SlasheriXavierGr: rombox.iriver flashes ROM image of the firmware to flash (runs from ROM). rockbox.iriver flashes RAM image of the rockbox to ROM (runs from RAM). And bootloader.iriver is the bootloader
16:16:29XavierGrSlasheri: ah so flashing rombox.iriver or rockbox.iriver won't enable the your flash bootloader.
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16:16:41SlasheriXavierGr: no
16:17:03SlasheriXavierGr: but correct bootloader (as you have it) detects those images and loads rockbox from flash
16:17:09Slasheri-> fast boot time
16:17:54XavierGrdamn it I didn't reconfigure (have to do it one more time)
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16:24:16*XavierGr twitches his fingers...
16:25:06XavierGrbah now I got a checksum mismatch, obviously I need to remove more code from the plugin
16:26:26XavierGrSlasheri: should I comment "Verify the checksum"?
16:27:33SlasheriXavierGr: for rockbox/rombox, no
16:27:38Slasherilet that be there
16:27:49Slasherithe .iriver file contains a very simple checksum that can be verified
16:28:35XavierGrSlasheri: well I tried to open rombox.iriver with iriver_flash.rock and it said checksum mismatch
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16:29:02amiconngevaerts: The code just guesses. It first assumes 512-byte logical sector size. If it can't mount a partition that way, it retries assuming 1024-byte logical sectors, and finally 2048-byte logical sectors
16:29:14SlasheriXavierGr: hmm, then there is something wrong. What about the rockbox.iriver file?
16:29:22XavierGrlet me try that too
16:29:59XavierGrsame :(
16:30:30Slasherihmm, weird
16:30:42Slasheribut don't uncomment that
16:30:52Slasheri*comment i meant
16:31:25Slashericould you dcc the rockbox.iriver file to me?
16:31:49Slasherii will check it
16:31:58Slasheriand try it on my player
16:32:38amiconnSlasheri: iriver_flash uses the audio buffer to flash??
16:32:50XavierGramiconn: I think yes
16:33:04amiconnWell, rockbox_flash on archos uses the plugin buffer, and reads & flashes in chunks
16:33:10XavierGrsum += audiobuf[i];
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16:34:14gevaertsamiconn: maybe the best way for now is asking the fat driver about it, with some sane defaukt (like 512) if the fat driver doesn't give a meaningful answer
16:34:55amiconnThe fat driver can't know the size until a partition is mounted
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16:35:37gevaertsamiconn: obviously. I was thinking more about how the usb driver should find out.
16:35:42Slasheriamiconn: yep, audio buffer is used
16:35:59XavierGrSlasheri: maybe it has to do with commented out detect_valid_bootloader?
16:35:59Slasheriamiconn: we want to read the file in once, before starting to flash
16:36:11SlasheriXavierGr: i will investigate, just a moment
16:36:26amiconngevaerts: Ah. Check firmware/common/disk.c: disk_mount() for the details
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16:36:58amiconnSlasheri: Have a look at what rockbox_flash does. It also checks the whole file before starting to flash
16:37:08Slasheriamiconn: we check that also
16:37:21amiconnBut it doesn't need to stop playback in order to do so, as it only uses the plugin buffer
16:37:27Slasheriand why take any risks if we have the audio buffer
16:37:47Slasheriwell, we *definately* want to stop playback before flashing anything..
16:38:02amiconnIt reads & flashes in 4KB chunks iirc, while the whole image to flash may be up to 228KB (232KB on Player)
16:38:09Slasheriand make sure no other thread gets cpu time while flashing is in progress
16:38:46amiconn(and in firmware_flash, it even flashes the whole 256KB flash chip that way)
16:38:58Slasherithat sounds extremely risky
16:39:10Slasheriany disk failure could brick the player, or software malfunction
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16:40:19amiconnNo bricking happened so far that could be attributed to the way of operation
16:40:21asdrubalI just ordered a c240
16:40:26asdrubalbut I realized that V2 isn't supported?
16:40:33asdrubalis that still the case, and should I cancel my order?
16:40:44amiconnI know about one single brick, but this was due to the flash chip itself failing
16:40:47asdrubalI ordered from newegg
16:40:51Slasheriwell, but anyway i don't want to take that kind of unnecessary risks
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16:42:39asdrubalI COuld someone tell me if: "Part Number SDMX7-1024-A18" is version 1 or 2?
16:42:41Slasherithat just sounds like a flawed design for a flashing plugin if it utilises filesystem, rockbox kernel etc. during critical parts of operation
16:43:19Slasheriwhile iriver_flash touches the bootloader, no information is written to disk during that time
16:44:15XavierGrSlasheri: so any ideas why the checksum fails? Should I try bootloader.iriver too?
16:44:24SlasheriXavierGr: i am still checking
16:44:30Slasherino, you shouldn't
16:44:45XavierGrok, I won't
16:46:44asdrubalHelp please
16:46:56asdrubalAre All new Sansa C2xx version 2 ?
16:47:24amiconnSlasheri: Well, it checks the whole file before it starts flashing. That design is from before plugins got access to the main buffer btw, but in fact I don't think it's that big a risk
16:47:45LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Not EVERY single one. You may get a very lucky break and get a v1. But that's a very rare chance now.
16:47:52oboasdrubal: I don't think anyone knows yet which Part numbers are v1 or v2
16:48:04amiconnAll older PC mainboard flash tools which run in dos mode from floppy load & flash in chunks - from a floppy disk, which is much less reliable than a hard disk
16:48:15LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Are you buying online or in a store?
16:48:16asdrubalWTF... So all new Sansas won't work?
16:48:17Slasheriamiconn: for a software codec device that would be a huge risk, if something corrupts the memory in background
16:48:20asdrubalonline Lambda
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16:48:29asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, SHould I go to bestbuy and get one?
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16:48:40Slasheriamiconn: and it would be very unnecessary to play audio during flashing anyway
16:48:54asdrubalCRAP... So basicly rockbox doesn't support any sansa anymore
16:48:56asdrubalthat sucks
16:49:00amiconnI didn't say it's necessary.... it's just... neat :)
16:49:00LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Do you have a Radio Shack near you instead? They tend to have v1's left over.
16:49:08asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, yeah
16:49:22LambdaCalculus37If the package says anything about Audible support, put it back on the shelf.
16:49:25amiconnMemory corruption can happen on any system
16:49:27asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, I gotta cancel my damn order first :( I hope they can do it
16:49:42Slasheriamiconn: it hardly can happen if we block all other threads
16:49:46LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: You can cancel it as long as it's not shipped.
16:50:06asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, will rockbox ever support these v2 monsters?
16:50:12LambdaCalculus37But if you go to a store and buy one, look to see if the package mentions Audible support. That's a sure sign it's a v2.
16:50:21asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, K, thanks
16:50:33LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: We have no idea when anything will ever be supported.
16:50:43LambdaCalculus37We're not planners, we just "do".
16:50:48amiconnSlasheri: I meant it could theoretically happen on hwcodec as well. But so far it didn't....
16:51:08Slasheriamiconn: yep, indeed
16:51:33Slasheriamiconn: but i understand the reason why it was implemented that way if we couldn't access audio buffer at that point
16:51:52asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, do you know if the V1s support SDHC cards?
16:51:55amiconnWell, maybe we should unify the flashing plugins somewhat
16:52:28amiconnThey could use the audio buffer. I'd want some kind of progress display though
16:52:31LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: They do, but the Sansa firmware itself doesn't.
16:52:36Slasheriamiconn: maybe, but i also like the idea about separate, well tested plugins for each target
16:52:58asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, rockbox firmware supports the 8GB microsds?
16:53:04Slasheriin iriver plugin, there is a progress display during non-critical parts
16:53:27LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: In theory, we can support up to 32GB microSDHC cards... when they come out, of course.
16:53:37asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, awesome. you guys rock
16:53:54SlasheriXavierGr: i got the checksum error too
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16:55:06SlasheriXavierGr: still investigating, maybe the checksum function is little different for h100
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17:00:05*petur spots - must be the perfect solution for recording on festivals :)
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17:02:16SlasheriXavierGr: ah, found it. the model number makes checksum different
17:02:35Slasheriit is easy to fix.. just a moment
17:03:46gevaertsGodEater: I uploaded a new patch that should now do 2048-byte sector detection properly
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17:04:06SlasheriXavierGr: good thing that you found it. after /* Verify the checksum */ change the sum = 0 to sum = MODEL_NUMBER;
17:04:11Slasherithen try again
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17:06:13amiconnpetur: An M5L would also be a very good solution...
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17:06:28SlasheriXavierGr: did you got the message?
17:06:36amiconnMaybe our runtime tests should include recording tests as well...
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17:08:12SlasheriXavierGr: did you got the message?
17:08:25XavierGrdamn ISP I've been disconnecting repeteadly for some hours now. Hooray for the logbot
17:08:31XavierGrSlasheri: yes thanks to logbot
17:08:35Slasherigood :)
17:09:05XavierGrShit! Verify failed! :(
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17:09:33XavierGrbut at least it moved from the checksum mismatch
17:09:45Slasherioh, so it did the flashing
17:09:48XavierGrshould I disable auto shut down?
17:09:58Slasheriyou flashed rombox.iriver?
17:10:02XavierGrwell it started flashing and then said verify failed
17:10:12Slasheriok, that's not fatal but still don't boot yet
17:10:16Slasherii will investigate
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17:10:44XavierGrok thanks
17:10:47SlasheriXavierGr: the flashing went ok, there was other sum = 0
17:10:52Slasheriyou may boot and try
17:10:56XavierGrso now I don't have the OF right?
17:11:00Slasherinope .)
17:11:03Slasherigood luck :)
17:11:28XavierGrah yes there are quite some
17:11:33XavierGrshould I change them?
17:11:41XavierGrso sum = MODEL_NUMBER;
17:11:50Slasheriyep, all three of them
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17:12:04XavierGryeah silly me I should have checked for that too
17:12:08Slasheribut try booting now if it works
17:12:54XavierGrok lets see...
17:13:16XavierGrit started rockbox :)
17:13:26Slasherinice, from flash? :)
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17:13:55XavierGrI am not sure, without bootloader.iriver it will autoload from flash now that I flashed rombox.iriver?
17:14:30XavierGrshould I proceed with rockbox.iriver and then bootloader.iriver?
17:14:31Slasherinope, you have already the bootloader.iriver flashed when you did compile the own bootloader. Try rebooting again with hold switch on
17:14:44Slasheriproceed with rockbox.iriver but not bootloader.iriver yet
17:15:18XavierGrhmm I got the normal "Hold is on, shutting down dialog"
17:15:35XavierGrI wonder what will happen if I try to start the OF
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17:16:09Slasherihmm, then it sounds like you don't have the correct bootloader
17:16:37XavierGrweird... it just shows the OF pic and then hangs there
17:16:48Slasheriyep, because half of the OF has been erased
17:16:56XavierGrah half of the OF
17:17:50XavierGrso how come and I have the wrong bootloader version?
17:18:05asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, Could you tell me if you think this is V1 or V2?
17:18:07Slasheriare you sure you installed the svn version of the bootloader?
17:18:16Slasheriand a recent one
17:18:52SlasheriXavierGr: you could try the bootloader.iriver, that should flash the correct one. but don't try yet as i am little worried
17:19:03XavierGryes because I updated with svn update then applied the patch for the configuration file of the H100 and then configured with the B option
17:19:13LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Honestly, I can't tell you that.
17:19:24asdrubalit doesn't say "Audible" support..
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17:19:27XavierGrSlasheri: is it safe to try the rockbox.iriver now?
17:19:27asdrubalwhat is Audible anyway
17:19:45Slasheriand then you decrypted the firmware, connected it with the OF and encrypted back on?
17:19:52Slasheriand flashed with iriver flashing utility?
17:19:55oboLambdaCalculus37: FYI, my v1 c250 mentioned audible support...
17:20:13LambdaCalculus37obo: My c240 didn't.
17:20:14XavierGrSlasheri: yup just as IriverBoot says
17:20:20LambdaCalculus37Mine's a v1.
17:20:31SlasheriXavierGr: weird, then you should have the correct one..
17:20:39XavierGrSlasheri: Are you sure that I don't need the bootloader.iriver for the bootloader menu?
17:20:39SlasheriXavierGr: just a moment
17:20:52LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Honestly, you are best off going to a store and seeing the package yourself.
17:20:57Slasherinope *if* you have the correct one flashed
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17:21:25XavierGrbecause if I recall correctly I flashed my H140 with your released bootloader then with bootloader.iriver and then rockbox.iriver
17:21:27SlasheriXavierGr: did you enable HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS define?
17:21:37XavierGrbut it ahs been some time I might be wrong
17:21:42Slasheriyep, that would be the normal way to do it
17:22:16XavierGrSlasheri: I will upload my current patch on the tracker
17:22:21Slasheriok, good
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17:23:00Slasheri|miipekk@pic:/export/home/miipekk/cvs/rockbox$ grep -r HAVE_EEPROM_ firmware/export/ | grep -v svn
17:23:03Slasheri|firmware/export/config-h120.h:#define HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS
17:23:07Slasheriyou need to have that in config-h100.h too
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17:23:51XavierGryeah I got only HAVE_EEPROM
17:24:02Slasherihehe, HAVE_EEPROM does nothing :)
17:24:15Slasherioh, it just something..
17:24:20Slasheriwell, you need to have both
17:24:37Slasherithen compile the bootloader and rockbox again
17:24:50Slasheriand follow h140 flashing instructions, now you don't have any other options
17:25:33XavierGrSlasheri: I now why I missed that, it isn't commented out on the H100 config file
17:25:36asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, yeah I know... thanks
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17:26:41XavierGrso Slasheri: can't I bring back the OF with iriver_flash?
17:26:50XavierGrI remember that it was possible
17:27:40SlasheriXavierGr: yes, you can
17:27:41XavierGror do you think that I should skip that part and flash bootloader.iriver without restoring the OF?
17:27:48SlasheriXavierGr: did you take the romdump of it?
17:27:57XavierGrnope forgot it :(
17:27:57Slasherijust skip it
17:28:01XavierGrok then
17:28:12Slasheriflash bootloader.iriver, rombox.iriver and rockbox.iriver in one go and then reboot
17:30:36pondlifeXavierGr: Forgive me arriving very late, but what target did you flash?
17:30:59Slasheripondlife: h100/h115
17:31:10XavierGrhopefully it will work, and if it doesn't at least I will have grapsed how the all this flashing stuff for H100 works :P
17:31:21pondlifeAh, I though you might have meant H300 ...
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17:31:28Slasherilets hope, it should work'
17:31:51Slasheripondlife: hehe, H300 would be entirely different beast
17:32:04pondlifeIndeed. I thought I'd missed some big news
17:32:22Slasheriand i can't try that without the unit
17:32:44Slasheripondlife: but it's good news to fully support flashing of H100 series too
17:33:05pondlifeI think we need to sort out the H300 SVN bootloader some more yet
17:33:09XavierGrbootloader.iriver said: Success
17:33:14SlasheriXavierGr: great!
17:33:21Slasherinow flash the those other files too
17:33:27Slasheriand then reboot
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17:34:41XavierGrall 3 succeeded :)
17:34:47XavierGrnow lets test the booting procedure
17:34:55Slasherihehe, sounds great :)
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17:35:29XavierGrIt'a ALIVE!!!
17:35:46XavierGrhehe thanks Slasheri, it works perfectly
17:36:10XavierGrAnd I have the honour to be the first H100 user with a rockbox flashed unit :D
17:36:17Slasherigreat, well.. now it would be good time to make a new release of H100 bootloaders and support both model :)
17:36:20XavierGruploading my diff asap
17:36:22Slasheriindeed :)
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17:39:28XavierGrah forgot about it, Slasheri: we need to enable the crc function for the H100 too
17:39:34XavierGrhow do I have to do it?
17:39:49SlasheriXavierGr: if you want, i can do that
17:40:16Slasheriand provide a crc-checksummed bootloader for you to test :)
17:40:39XavierGrof course if you can and you are not bored please do it, as I don't have any clue how to enable it :P
17:41:09SlasheriXavierGr: i would like to release a new 7-pre4 version of both bootloaders at the same time :)
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17:41:59XavierGrSlasheri: yeah that would be cool
17:44:13SlasheriXavierGr: and before the release, i will do some extensive tests on all failsafe patterns with my h140 to see svn hasn't broken anything
17:44:16XavierGrwell I am a happy camper, I've been waiting this moment for quite a while :)
17:45:11XavierGrSlasheri: if only you had an H300 too :P
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17:47:06SlasheriXavierGr: but would you like to upload the patch as-is, i would be happy to make all adjustments :)
17:48:01BigBambiSlasheri: I've just been reading the logs - did you see my note on the wiki page about bootloader 7 pre3 - I can't turn on my H140 with the remote using it
17:48:16BigBambiSo that needs to be looked at before a new release :)
17:48:33SlasheriBigBambi: hmm, didn't see that. does anything happen when you turn on power with remote?
17:48:39Slasherii would like to fix that :)
17:49:14BigBambiCool :)
17:49:16XavierGrBigBambi: what type of remote?
17:49:36XavierGrI just tested my flashed H140 and it turns on with the normal H100 lcd remote
17:49:48BigBambiI can't actually remember what happened (I think it thought hold was on) - I'm just looking for my note, if not I can try again tonight
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17:50:21SlasheriBigBambi: probably it has something to do with hold
17:50:37BigBambiSlasheri: See my note here:
17:50:38Slasherimy remote works fine too :/
17:51:14BigBambiI remember talking to LinusN at the time and he thought something like (I am guessing) that it checked the buttons too quickly and a very short wait would fix it
17:51:39SlasheriBigBambi: indeed. I will add a slight delay and ask you to try again :)
17:52:14BigBambiHappy too (I want to flash my H140 but without being able to turn it on with the remote I can't)
17:53:27BigBambiSorry, actually bottom line in this table: but I'm sure you already found it
17:53:40Slasheriyep, i found it :)
17:54:00BigBambiWell done! /°
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17:54:16BigBambi:) even - damn AZERTY keyboard!
17:54:33Slasherihehe :D
17:54:39RodGohi all, i would like to install mario world and pacman on my ipod 30gb with rockbox
17:54:43RodGofrom where i can download them?
17:55:11RodGoany ideas?
17:55:14LambdaCalculus37RodGo: From the original arcade board and Mario game cartridge.
17:55:31RodGoi dont know sorry
17:55:36BigBambiRodGo: do NOT ask for help violating copyright here
17:55:40Horschtyou're not allowed asking for roms
17:56:01LambdaCalculus37If you want them, dump them yourself. We're not going to violate copyright here.
17:56:12XavierGrSlasheri: btw if you didn't check, this is the magic patch that worked for me:
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17:56:58SlasheriXavierGr: thanks
17:57:32RodGoshould i just simply download roms?
17:57:35BigBambiRight, sod work I'm going home - Slasheri let me know if you would like me to test a new version
17:57:45BigBambiRodGo: You should NOT ask here
17:58:02SlasheriBigBambi: i will, probably i have tomorrow something waiting for you :)
17:58:08BigBambicool :)
17:58:11RodGoam not saying to do copyright infringment, just how to install a game, i can be a freeware right?
17:58:18BigBambiIn that case yes
17:58:31BigBambiJust copy the ROM onto the player and 'play' it like a music file
17:58:45BigBambiThis is in the manual
17:59:09RodGoty vm man
17:59:23BigBambiRodGo: Also please use proper words
17:59:30BigBambiThis is in the IRC guidelines
18:00:20BigBambiRodGo: We have many blind people who rely on screen readers and many people without English as a first language to whom "ty vm man" is meaningless
18:00:43RodGosorry thank you very much to all
18:00:47RodGo:) rockbox is soo cool
18:00:50BigBambiNo probs, you are welcome
18:00:57BigBambiAnd, yes it is :)
18:00:59RodGocan i play vids with sound on rockboix?
18:01:26BigBambiCheck the manual and
18:01:31BigBambiha, beatne
18:01:49*LambdaCalculus37 for the win!
18:01:52star_jasminehi everyone... thanks to people on here, I can now make the voices with cygwin and the quality settings are adjusted. I just have one more question. how can I add sapi 4 to the options to choose from?
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18:02:01BigBambiRobGo: Please read the manual though, people spent a long time writing it and it contains all this
18:02:19Slasheribootloader 7-pre4 should fix the audio thump for some users and remote bootup
18:02:49pixelmaif someone checks the manual s/he should find the link anyways
18:03:00LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, that's true.
18:03:12LambdaCalculus37Especially the online version.
18:03:25BigBambiSlasheri: cool, is it up somewhere?
18:03:44RodGoand how can i convert a youtube flv video to play it on my ipod?
18:03:55BigBambiRodGo: Google
18:03:59SlasheriBigBambi: just doing it :)
18:04:05LambdaCalculus37RodGo: Look up at the link BigBambi and I gave you.
18:04:11RodGoyes of course, but rocbox can read any avi or mpg
18:04:13BigBambiRodGo: The wiki page tells you what format it needs
18:04:15SlasheriBigBambi: that will be the next release
18:04:23BigBambiRodGo: No, read the link
18:04:34BigBambiMPEG 1/2 only
18:04:46star_jasminethere's software for that for youtube conversion
18:04:58BigBambiSlasheri: Cool. I am going home now, but I'll check then
18:05:06LambdaCalculus37star_jasmine: Yes, we have it all listed on the Mpegplayer wiki page.
18:05:20star_jasmineoh ok. good, because I didn't know what the url was. I jus have it
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18:06:07LambdaCalculus37star_jasmine: If ever you need any information, our wiki will have what you're looking for. :)
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18:06:52star_jasminethanks. I appreciate the thoroughness of the information you have listed there
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18:07:52LambdaCalculus37Gotta plan ahead, ya know. :)
18:07:54asdrubalit would be kind of hard to play video games on a sansa
18:08:24star_jasminethat would be fun.
18:08:37LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Rockbox is meant for audio playback, first and foremost.
18:09:55star_jasminejust a note... the key click works well for the ipods especially. I just discovered it was there yesterday when installing a new build.
18:10:45star_jasmineyeah its under system in settings, I think
18:10:58Horschtso it's a setting. phew
18:11:25star_jasminewith different volumes, and with the option to repeat or not. very nice for the wheel
18:11:28rashergevaerts: You may want to modify the bootloaders as well to no longer boot OF on USB (probably just as a TODO at this point, but it should be done at some point)
18:12:19rashergevaerts: testing your latest patch now
18:12:37RodGoone more question, can i install ZSNES roms to my rockbox ipod?
18:13:03gevaertsrasher: once it works... Actually right now the bootloader doesn't even build for sansa.
18:13:30LambdaCalculus37RodGo: No.
18:13:40RodGothen what kind of roms?
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18:14:05LambdaCalculus37RodGo: Just Game Boy, ZX Spectrum, Chip8, and the Pac-Man ROMs.
18:14:46gevaertsDoes anyone here know about building binaries for upload with e200rpatcher ? I'm trying to build a stripped down version of the c200 bootloader to run from manufacturer mode, and then change that to fix my flash corruption problem.
18:15:01star_jasmineis there a patch for the ipod especially that will bypass the rockbox media player option once a usb cable is inserted? I can make the ipod connect by booting into the original firmware, but wondered if there was a way to just have it detect automatically
18:16:00LambdaCalculus37star_jasmine: We're working on a full USB stack for supported players based on PortalPlayer (iPod, H10, Sansa), so once it's fully complete then you can have a native USB connection from within Rockbox.
18:16:11star_jasmineoh ok
18:16:13star_jasminevery nice
18:16:49LambdaCalculus37star_jasmine: It's a slow process, though. But you'll see when it's ready on the front page of the site.
18:17:36rasherWeird.. the bootloader seems unable to find rockbox.mi4
18:18:13gevaertsrasher: Was that before or after testing usb write support ?
18:18:25rasherYet the filesystem seems intact. Guess it's format time anyway - just in case
18:18:59rashergevaerts: I'm not quite sure what I've done and what I haven't done
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18:19:09rasherI'll format and see if that doesn't fix it - then I'll start worrying
18:27:07rashergevaerts: okay, it's booting now
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18:27:25rasherI'm guessing the filesystem just were corrupted after all
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18:29:06gevaertsrasher: probably. I wish mine was "just corrupted"
18:30:42rashergevaerts: The result of plugging in my e200 with a 2gb card, and then opening nautilus for each mountpoint:
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18:33:00gevaertsrasher: any idea what nautilus was doing ?
18:33:26rashergevaerts: just opening the root of each mountpoint (listing all top-level elements, and the number of elements of each dir)
18:33:55rasherI got corruption on the sd card when trying to write a folder of images
18:34:37gevaertsso write support is still bad
18:34:52rasherHm, wait
18:35:07rasherAh, yes it is
18:35:20rasherBut not *as* bad, it seems
18:36:03rasherBrowsing using Rockbox showed a different result than mounting the card through a cardreader it seems
18:37:21gevaertsrasher: what kind of different ?
18:37:49rasherThe filenames weren't messy in the same way, but that may just be due to differnt handling of a corrupt FAT perhaps?
18:38:09rasherAlso, all the files I copied are only 32kb it seems
18:38:22rasherActually less
18:38:38rasherA few hundred bytes each
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18:39:10gevaertsAre these few hundred bytes correct ?
18:39:17rasherI'll check
18:41:10rasherErr.. the source I copied from seems to be corrupted as well
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18:41:24rasherI'll do a more controlled test
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18:44:45rashergevaerts: Also my sansa is once again unable to boot Rockbox
18:45:03rasherI can still start recovery mode though
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18:46:19gevaertsrasher: that's after nautilus opened the internal flash ? Can you try not mounting that one at all on the next few tests ?
18:46:28rasherAnd this time I definitely had not tried to write anywhere but the SD card. I can't speak for Linux/Nautilus though
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19:00:02JdGordon|wpondlife: you round?
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19:00:18JdGordon|wdid you try that tagcache patch?
19:00:37pondlifeI don't think so. FS#?
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19:01:21pondlifeAh, no. I didn't see it. This is to stop the unwanterd spinups, right?
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19:01:34JdGordon|wcan you try it out and commit it if it works?
19:01:44JdGordon|wonly flash targets here so no real way to test it
19:01:55pondlifePlease pop it on Flyspray and I'll try and find time
19:02:01gevaertsrasher: I guess you didn't do anything different ?
19:02:01SlasheriJdGordon|w: not yet, just making a new bootloader release :)
19:02:20pondlifeDefintely a fix needed, I'll let you know!
19:02:48*JdGordon|w back in 15
19:02:54pondlifeWork is crazy at the moment, my device is still running a version from over a week ago :/
19:03:05rashergevaerts: Not a thing, I'm afraid. Weird thing: I copied a file containing simply "1234567890" unto the disk, but I can't see it in the Rockbox filebrowser. I can if I mount it and look from Linux (using Rockbox usb mode)
19:03:28rasheroh wait, I'm an idiot. That's because the default settings are hiding that file
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19:04:33rasherIt's there.. but with a ÿ (0x255) added to the end of the filename, which doesn't show when the disk's mounted on Linux
19:05:03rashereh, 0xFF
19:05:22rasherIn iso8859-1, which iirc is rockbox' standard codepage
19:06:01gevaertsI still dont understand this. I'll try to look at some traffic once I get my c250 back to life
19:06:06rasherThe contents are correct though, but it was only 10bytes of course.
19:06:50gevaertsI can understand blocks of 64 bytes being wrong, but these last characters of filenames problems don't make any sense
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19:09:05rashergevaerts: I tried copying a file with "1234567890\n" a hundred times, and only the first 10 or so lines got through
19:09:20rasherAnd with some wrong data
19:09:37rasherFilename's correct this time though!
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19:17:18JdGordon|wpondlife: meh, a week old build isnt that bad... before monday I think I had only updated my sansa once since xmas
19:17:31pondlifeIt's bad for me
19:17:43gevaertsrasher: So something just adds zeroes somewhere ?
19:18:16rashergevaerts: At byte 29-32 it seems, and then it gets cut off at a rather odd position.. I'll try a few more to see if it's consistent
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19:20:01rashergevaerts: Yeah, copying the same file once again produced the exact same result
19:21:42gevaertsrasher : IIRC FAT always starts files at the beginning of a sector, and we are using 64byte packets, so that happens halfway a usb packet. That's the part that makes no sense to me
19:21:42JdGordon|wAUD$3000 round trip to new york is a bit steep :(
19:24:13LambdaCalculus37That's a little too expensive!
19:24:37JdGordon|wyeah, remember NY is on the wrong side of the country...
19:24:42rashergevaerts: formatting while mounted through Rockbox didn't work out too well either!
19:24:45JdGordon|whave to go mel->la->ny
19:25:16gevaertsrasher: who would have thought !
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19:25:53rashergevaerts: Yeah, I didn't quite understand it for some reason
19:26:01rasherThen it hit me..
19:27:34JdGordon|wpondlife: Slasheri: FS #8565
19:28:15pondlifeYou could have compiled it ;)
19:28:48JdGordon|wna, i was putting it together in a half asleep state just before midnight
19:29:01SlasheriJdGordon|w: did you try it? i am still working with the bootloader.. lot of tests to do
19:29:37JdGordon|wnope, didnt test at all... just demoing how it could be done
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19:43:50SSnakeplease can anyone point me to a file where i can find every button mapping for my h300?
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19:44:13SSnakei don't know which buttons #define are available to me
19:44:38gevaertsstupid command history... Suddenly there was a "sudo halt" and then I pressed enter
19:44:45JdGordon|wSSnake: for what?
19:45:10SSnakei'm writing a plugin. I need to map button pressed
19:45:11JdGordon|wthe defines are in firmaware/target/coldfire/iriver/button-target.h
19:45:22SSnakelet me see there
19:45:37JdGordon|wwill generic up/down/left right be enough for it?
19:45:51SSnakei need all 8 buttons
19:49:32asdrubalDo you guys know where I can buy V1 sansa?
19:49:45SSnakeoooh perfect! Thanks Jgordon. I thought they were in /firmware/export/config-TARGET.h
19:49:51asdrubalI don't want to roll the dice.....
19:50:04advlaptop2019asdrubal, ebay
19:50:22asdrubaladvlaptop2019, they don't show the versions on their auctions I checked
19:50:31BigBambiThen email them
19:50:59BigBambiThat is pretty much the only option, you will be lucky to find a v1 in a shop, and just like when you asked earlier, we don't knpw
19:51:00SSnakesomeone should really add that info in this wiki page i think:
19:51:11BigBambiSSnake: Go ahead, it is a wiki
19:51:24asdrubalBigBambi, are there any retail products out that work with rockbox besides ipods?
19:51:46BigBambiNo rockbox targets are currently in production, including iPods
19:52:34JdGordon|wrefurb sansa v1's are pretty easy to find though
19:52:48BigBambiyeah, but even then you can't be absolutely sure
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19:53:09BigBambiMuch much better bet than new though
19:53:38asdrubalyou can tell version by check for "NNN songs MP3" verus "NNN songs" right?
19:53:43asdrubalon packaging
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19:53:56asdrubalI'll see if radioshack has any
19:54:05asdrubalthat's the packaging test for v1/v2
19:54:06BigBambiEven packaging can lie
19:54:13BigBambiIn fact even the case
19:54:28BigBambiSansa has a habit of putting one case on another, and the same with packaging
19:54:44rasherasdrubal: Also check for audible support
19:54:45BigBambiIt may be a reasonable test, but without checking the OF you cannot be sure
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19:54:48asdrubalmaybe I'll get an Iriver on ebay... those things are garunteed to work as long as the model number is correct, right?
19:54:48rasher(only v2 has that)
19:55:23LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Yes.
19:55:24BigBambiobo said earlier his v1 advertised audible support
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19:56:20rasherBagder: is www/tools/ up to date in svn?
19:56:28BigBambi17:19:55oboLambdaCalculus37: FYI, my v1 c250 mentioned audible support...
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19:57:00rasherGuess not..
19:57:13rasherBigBambi: Again, it's still a good indicator
19:57:25BigBambirasher: Very true
19:57:35BigBambiBut not infallible it seems :)
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19:59:36asdrubalOMG, ebay doesn't have any irivers... only irver batteries
19:59:54krazykitasdrubal, there are other targets to consider too, you know
20:00:12asdrubalanyones with microphones?
20:00:47krazykitthe BuyersGuide wiki page would say
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20:01:55asdrubalsandisk has microSD... man I wish I could get one of those
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20:02:56BigBambiasdrubal: But only rockbox supports SDHC
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20:03:18asdrubalBigBambi, Yeah I know.
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20:03:30asdrubalI won't get an mp3 player unless I can put rockbox on it
20:03:35asdrubalI have a ton of ogg.
20:03:36BigBambiGood :)
20:04:17BigBambiIs recording a necessity? If not, the gigabeat F is very nice with rockbox and available on ebay pretty cheap (normally)
20:04:35sansaC200i need help puting rockbox onto my sansa c200, the tutorial didnt work
20:04:42BigBambiwhich tutorial?
20:04:48LambdaCalculus37The manual?
20:04:48BigBambiI hope you mean the rockbox manual
20:05:09sansaC200i ment the manual
20:05:20BigBambiWell, seeing as my psychic powers are on the wane, you will have to give some details
20:05:22LambdaCalculus37Did you try Rockbox Utility?
20:05:27BigBambiAnd use proper Engliash words
20:05:39BigBambiThat was ironic - English
20:05:42advlaptop2019sansaC200, what sansa firmware do you have
20:05:56BigBambiadvlaptop2019: Good call...
20:06:04sansaC200ummm... hold on, ill check
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20:06:47sansaC200i have version 01.00.04A
20:07:05LambdaCalculus37sansaC200: Did you download and extract a build into your Sansa?
20:07:15LambdaCalculus37More importantly, did you set it to MSC mode?
20:07:17sansaC200but it wont run
20:07:17advlaptop2019sansaC200, now is it in MTP or MSC mode
20:07:19BigBambiAnd the bootloader?
20:07:37LambdaCalculus37Details are important!
20:08:02BigBambiWe cannot see your Sansa, therefore you have to tell us what happens
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20:08:23sansaC200i get no error codes, it just loads the standard firmware. i dont have a sorce of any more details
20:08:29LambdaCalculus37sansaC200: Did you run Sansapatcher?
20:08:35BigBambiSo you never see the bootloader?
20:08:49BigBambiWhat did Sansapatcher say when you ran it?
20:09:25sansaC200it said it was finished
20:09:36BigBambifinished how?
20:09:47BigBambiWe really need to know exactly what it said
20:09:48asdrubalHow big is an iriver 3xx ?
20:09:52asdrubalis it like a giant brick ?
20:10:02BigBambiasdrubal: What does that mean?
20:10:07krazykitwikipedia would tell you the dimensions, asdrubal
20:10:09BigBambiClealy it isn't like a giant brick
20:10:16LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: I think he wants to know how thick it is.
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20:10:23BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: I know
20:10:37BigBambiBut really, saying is it like a giant brick?
20:10:52BigBambiNo, it is about *this* big by *this* big
20:11:32LambdaCalculus37We have the Device Chart that lists all of the physical dimensions of all supported players.
20:11:46asdrubalbleh I want a cheap c2xx :(
20:11:50asdrubalstupid v2
20:11:56LambdaCalculus37asdrubal: Here's the Device Chart:
20:12:22asdrubalLambdaCalculus37, oh sweet. I missed that page
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20:12:49asdrubalWhy are archos players so freakin ugly :)
20:13:16BigBambiBecause they are very old?
20:13:31pixelmaI don't find my Ondio ugly, just the colour - and I've seen uglier ones
20:13:35krazykitasdrubal, it's a DAP, not a fashion accessory.
20:14:04LambdaCalculus37krazykit: Tell that to Apple. :)
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20:16:22LambdaCalculus37Asdrubal: Hey, I like my Archos! It's like a little tank! :)
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20:28:33gevaertsGreat news. I got the e200r installer running on my c200. That means I should be able to write to the flash and fix its problems
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20:35:42BigBambigevaerts: Congrats
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20:45:38saratogais there a variable or define in the manual to check for all PP targets?
20:46:57saratogai'd rather not list them individually since i dont' know all the defines and we may add more in the future
20:49:41rashersaratoga: Maybe there's a better define to look for - which feature are you after?
20:50:00low_lightsaratoga: I think there's a CPU_PP
20:50:26saratogaso/opt{CPU_PP} will do it?
20:51:10pixelmanot that I know of - the closest there is are "sansa", "ipod" leaves the H10s though... Or you can make one, have a look at the platform files
20:51:28pixelmalow_light: for the manual?
20:51:50low_lightoh, manual...forget me
20:52:27saratogapixelma: will "iriver" also get the iriver players?
20:52:50saratogaactually never mind that wouldn't work
20:53:01pixelmasaratoga: yes, but all irivers
20:53:21pixelmawhat do you need it for?
20:54:21saratogai want to exclude the section about hardware USB controllers on targets that have software USB
20:54:45saratogaperhaps I should just create a HAVE_SOFT_USB define and use that
20:55:15gevaertsIt's now zeroing my flash
20:55:29gevaertsI should soon have a 'normally' bricked c250
20:56:05pixelmasaratoga: yes, sounds like a reasonable idea
20:56:34saratogapixelma: my latex is questionable, so let me run this by you
20:56:49saratogai can add a \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,HAVE_SOFT_USB} to each player's tex file
20:57:09saratogathen just \opt{HAVE_SOFT_USB} ?
20:58:19pixelmaor maybe better, if you call that option "HAVE_USBSTACK" it goes along with the features.txt and the idea of parsing that into \UseOptions... now we only need to motivate n1s some more... ;)
20:59:08pixelmasaratoga: yes, sounds alright. Or use \nopt if you want to exclude a certain part
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21:01:18rasherIf you have commit access, and are not on this map:"> yell at me.
21:02:59saratogapixelma: what do I need to build the manual?
21:03:05saratogai've only done latex in windows
21:04:29pixelmathe linux tex packages are called differently now but I've been told that atm you still get linked automatically (and I don't know how they are called)
21:05:04Domonokyrasher: can you help me edit my map entry ? (dont have the key anymore, and email doesnt work)
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21:08:16Domonokythx :-)
21:09:48*pixelma discovers that she doesn't live in the water anymore :)
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21:35:34rasherAlso a thing to note if you're going to a devcon in new york: don't bring a laptop unless you want to risk having it confiscated for no apparent reason and the contents copied:
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21:36:43rasherIn fact, you'd probably be better off not bringing any sort of electronics.
21:37:01JdGordon|wlike rediculous amounts of mp3 players?
21:37:10gevaertsI don't understand this. I just zeroed my flash, put back the MBR and partition table (from before any corruption), and restored the OF. It didn't change anything.
21:37:28rashergevaerts: Can you not start recovery mode?
21:38:01gevaertsrasher: I can. It's in exactly the same state as last night
21:38:18rashergevaerts: what happens if you format through recovery mode?
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21:40:01gevaertsIt doesn't seem to do anything. It just resets and boots the OF (which takes a while)
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21:40:40rashergevaerts: By creating a sansa.fmt file on the recovery mode partition?
21:41:04gevaertsrasher: yes
21:42:31rasherThough I haven't really touched this recovery stuff much
21:45:58gevaertsI'm going to make a loopback device of the same size, format that, and copy the FAT to the sansa's flash. Maybe that will help
21:46:54gevaertsI guess I'll end up being a c200 unbricking specialist
21:48:31low_lightgevaerts: I have a 2GB dd image of my c250 if it helps
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21:50:58pixelmalow_light: hi :) Just wanted to let you know that the frequencies in the radio are quite stable now, but I had the radio not detected (at boot) twice this week, a reboot helped. I remember this happening before but it was fine for a while (or I didn't notice)
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21:51:22gevaertslow_light: That might be useful if my current attempt doesn't work, but it will be involved. I can copy a few kb or even mb to the flash, but not 2GB (I'm using the e200r installer to run code on it, so I'm basically limited by that)
21:53:09asdrubalHow long has rockbox been in development?
21:53:36scorchea bit more than 6 years
21:56:07LambdaCalculus37First official release was in 2002.
21:56:24low_lightpixelma: good to far as I can tell, detection is determined by reading the correct "chip id" number. The spec sheet says this should be would be interesting to see what the value is if it's not detected
21:56:58LambdaCalculus37Good night, everyone!
21:57:14scorchedecember of 2001 is typically considered the time when rockbox was rolling (although it wasnt rockbox then..)
21:57:20pixelmalow_light: how can I check this?
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21:58:42low_lightpixelma: maybe add that value to the fm debug screen
21:59:17low_lightperhaps if the id doesn't match the first time, we should delay and try again.
21:59:40amiconnDepending on what is actually returned, probably
21:59:41low_lightof course, it's hard to test if you can't successfully reproduce
22:00:22pixelmayeah, that's a bit of a problem
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22:02:39amiconnThe sanyo tuner driver uses non-atomic port bit manipulation
22:03:12amiconnNot sure whether there's something else on GPIO_H in the sansa, but it's nasty, and unnecessary on PP502x
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22:05:13SlasheriXavierGr: there seems to be many bugs in the svn bootloader, i am just fixing those (almost done)
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22:09:14low_lightamiconn: the gpio handling in the driver is the same as the in the OF.
22:10:02low_lightif I recall, the OF checked for other chip id's, and set a flag, but I'm not sure what that flag was used for
22:10:46amiconnThe handling being the same doesn't mean it's optimal
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22:11:32amiconnIf you always disable interrupts during transfers, non-atomic port manipulation is not a problem, but if you don't, it can be
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22:15:21gevaertsIt's alive !
22:15:44rashergevaerts: Hurray
22:15:53Bagdergevaerts: rocking
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22:15:58pixelmayay :)
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22:16:52gevaertsSo basically e200tool should have a built-in mkfs.vfat, for the hard cases
22:16:54amiconnlow_light: I might try to make a version using atomic port manipulation during the weekend
22:17:08amiconn(a version of the driver, that is)
22:17:54low_lightamiconn: go for it :)
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22:21:07gevaertsNow let's brick it again. I need to find out what goes wrong with these writes
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23:00:25XavierGrSlasheri: bugs, what kind of bugs? How they didn't affect us before?
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23:01:30SlasheriXavierGr: just to name a few: autoboot from flash doesn't work at all, remote lcd is blank, status text is erased and so on
23:01:37Slasherithose are already fixed i just mentioned
23:02:13SlasheriXavierGr: those bugs were not there before
23:02:35Slasherichanges in core have most likely caused them to appear
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23:10:37crzyboysterIs there a page for all the twiki format options/code? I would like to make a table on one of the twiki pages.
23:11:57scorcheon the bottom of every edit page..
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23:14:29crzyboysterscorche: Thanks! I never noticed that before...
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23:44:44gevaertsThis usb data corruption is much too predictable : it zeroes the 3 last bytes every 32 bytes.
23:45:20rashergevaerts: That's what I said
23:46:49gevaertsrasher: yes. I now saw the same thing. I'm going to try a maxpacketsize of 16
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