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#rockbox log for 2008-02-08

00:00:19gevaertslinuxstb_: yes, but probably overkill. I guess bootloader.bin is the app that runs on the e200r ?
00:01:30linuxstb_gevaerts: There are many bootloader.bin files...
00:02:05star_jasminehi.... I"m having a small problem creating a voice in cygwin. I can create it with the encoding defaults with speex but if I change the quality to 10 for bothq and c, it won't work. can anyone help?
00:02:07gevaertslinuxstb_: I mean the one referenced on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation
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00:03:05JdGordon|wamiconn: is merging the way to go though? I assume neither engine is really in great shape anyway... so why not start a unified engine from scratch doing exactly what we want from it and getting it right the first time? instead of fixing sw to handle hw (or vice verca)
00:03:18linuxstb_Yes. You compile that by selecting target 51, then I for install when you configure. The source is bootloader/main-e200r-installer.c
00:04:01preglowJdGordon|w: hwcodec is quite stable, afaik
00:04:30linuxstb_I would imagine it's extremely stable - as I can't ever remember a commit to it...
00:04:47linuxstb_(apart from id3 parser bugs)
00:04:51preglowJdGordon|w: how do we get it right, though? we'll still have to code the same features we have today
00:05:02preglowmy proposition is let's just pay jhMikeS to doit :)
00:05:09linuxstb_Or not ;) Get rid of pesky things like crossfade...
00:05:45JdGordon|wnagging jhMikeS to do it sounds like a workable solution :p
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00:10:12pixelmaI would really like to be able to play wav the "normal" way on my Ondio, it has a much nicer sound...
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00:30:22greyo/
00:31:08Soul-Burnok... for my auto-updating/syncing, I decided to use rsync :>
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00:36:51*Nico_P has a sync script using rsync too... very practical
00:36:58Nico_Palthough I don't use it ATM :/
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00:46:21amiconnpreglow, JdGordon: The hwcodec playback engine is very stable, but also rather limited
00:47:05amiconnIn its current form it would not allow integraiting MoB at all - as it does the bitswap in-place, across all loaded data
00:47:52Nico_Pamiconn: would it be hard to add the bitswap to buffering.c?
00:48:19amiconnNo, but I don't think this would be the right way
00:48:30linuxstbIs it worthwhile trying to merge them?
00:49:07amiconnDoing the bitswap in-place has the disadvantage that we can only play data that can be played as-is, i.e. mp2/mp3 and plain pcm wav/aiff
00:49:33amiconnIt would not allow to decode e.g. adpcm (unless we do it at buffering time, which would be a waste
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00:50:27amiconnSo I think we need the equivalent of a "codec" and the "pcm buffer"
00:50:28preglowyeah, hwcodec seems very hard coded
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00:50:37preglowbut then again, there was no reason for it not to be
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00:52:03amiconnBut the "pcm" buffer should be as small as possible (because of the little ram). I think this rules out doing the "codec" work in a thread
00:53:14amiconnIt has to happen in the audio callback isr. But that means it has to be done in small chunks - and even then it is not clear whether this will be smooth enough to not disturb other tasks
00:54:27amiconnThe "codec" task would just be the bitswap for mp2/mp3 and pcm, but more than that for e.g. adpcm
00:55:33amiconnWe will also need a state machine handling the MAS setup. And mpeg audio <-> pcm transitions cannot be gapless.
00:55:48amiconnI'm not sure whether playback.c needs to be aware of that fact
00:57:00*Nico_P has been pondering the use of a state machine approach in playback.c
00:57:40pregloweverything i've seen thus far seems to suggest that's the way to go
00:57:44amiconnWell, for handling the MAS, a state machine makes very much sense. Depending on the target, there need to be 2, 3 or 5 states
00:58:14preglowit also makes for very easily maintainable threading code
00:58:43amiconn0: dsp disabled, only audiocodec active (for idle mode with voice disabled, or the radio without prerecording)
00:58:53amiconn1: mpeg audio playback
00:59:20amiconn2: pcm playback (all MAS' except 3507D (Player))
00:59:34amiconn3: mpeg audio recording (3587 only)
00:59:43amiconn4: pcm recording (3587 only)
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01:01:11*preglow asks for motivation to complete his faad sync...
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01:02:38JdGordon|will commit the quickscreen patch again if you dont do the sync!
01:02:42JdGordon|wgood enough? :D
01:03:00preglowgo ahead!
01:03:15preglowi think i'll just go ahead and not do it, i hate faad
01:03:18preglowit's ugly and it smells bad
01:04:02Nico_PJdGordon|w: with a few improvements it'll be perfectly fine to commit... the idea is very good
01:05:05*preglow wonders why his nano is so unresponsive when accessing the flash...
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01:06:53preglowmight this be the same problem that plagues the high capacity videos?
01:07:09Nico_Pmaybe
01:07:22preglowit's really dog-slow while buffering
01:07:27preglowskipping a track takes ten seconds
01:07:27Nico_PI'm starting to think these problems isn't in my code
01:07:47Nico_P*aren't
01:08:14preglowugh, this is quite bad
01:08:16preglowit's sluggish as hell
01:08:36pixelmaI had that on my c250 as well but it got better recently (but curiously in some folders not)
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01:09:00preglowsweet lord, it's almost unusable
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01:10:11JdGordon|wNico_P: passing the buck? tisk tisk...
01:10:34Nico_Ppreglow: do you have the DB?
01:11:48preglowNico_P: nay
01:11:59preglowthat is, yes
01:11:59Nico_Poh
01:11:59preglowi do
01:12:01preglowbut not in ram
01:12:07preglowand i don't use it
01:12:13preglowbut the files are there, and it's inited
01:12:23Nico_Ptry deleting the tcd files then
01:13:10Nico_Pthe culprit seems to be the deleted files detection
01:13:38preglowkiedoke, testing
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01:14:09preglowseems markedly improved, yes
01:14:11preglowyes it does
01:14:51pixelmadid you have auto-update enabled?
01:15:03preglownope
01:15:29preglowit's still madly laggy
01:15:36preglowit might have helped _some_
01:15:53preglowbut it's still excruciatingly laggy
01:16:03Nico_P:/
01:16:22preglowsometimes it takes over five seconds to skip a track
01:16:27preglowand sometimes it registers keys waaaay too late
01:16:31preglowand in batch mode, almost
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01:19:21Nico_PI'm really looking forward to getting my hands on an ipod
01:19:26*preglow goes for a green delta :-)
01:19:32preglowNico_P: you getting an ipod?
01:19:48Nico_Pamiconn is going to send me LinusN's
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01:20:54preglowhaha, has linus even gotten to use it himself yet? :)
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01:21:38Nico_Pnot much AFAIK, but he doesn't seem to miss it too much ;)
01:21:51pixelmahe couldn't have used it with Rockbox...
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01:26:27*pixelma agrees with gevaerts
01:28:06preglowgrah
01:28:12preglowhalf past one already
01:28:28JdGordon|wstill early...
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01:37:59*preglow celebrates the 16 saved bytes on arm targets :)
01:39:34markun:)
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01:43:32*amiconn still needs to draw his layout idea for the quickscreen
01:43:41amiconnBut not now....
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01:50:42BigMacHey, anyone know how I can charge my gigabeat when it has a completly drained battery?
01:50:50BigMacBecause you need to turn it on to charge
01:50:56BigMacand I can't charge it
01:51:02markunBigMac: you don't need to turn it on
01:51:18BigMacWell I have it plugged in
01:51:19markunjust plug in either the charger or a USB cable
01:51:24BigMacand it doesn't kick over
01:51:35markunhow long did you leave it connected?
01:51:50BigMacIts been like 5 minutes just sitting
01:51:51BigMacthere
01:52:07markun5 minutes is not very long for a completely drained battery
01:52:14markundo you have the batter switch to on?
01:52:17markunbattery
01:52:28BigMacthis is a few month old build, don't know if anything has changed in the boot code, but I can't update it either way
01:52:36BigMacyes it is on
01:52:45BigMacand I didn't know it was charging right now
01:53:02BigMacit just has a blank screen
01:53:13markunyes, even from USB it charges, but never shows the charge icon that way.
01:53:35markunmaybe it doesn't from the charger either if the battery is too empty
01:53:54markunwhich ways did you mean by "either way"?
01:53:56BigMacwait so even though rockbox never loaded
01:54:00BigMacand it never turned on
01:54:05BigMacand I can't access the drive
01:54:08BigMacit is charging?
01:54:24markunif it's off and you connect the charger it should charge
01:54:34BigMacit doesn't
01:54:39markunhow can you tell?
01:54:53markunjust leave it for an hour and try to turn it on again
01:54:53BigMacBecause I can leave it for an hour
01:54:57markunok
01:55:02BigMacand still not be able to turn it on
01:55:14BigMacI have left it for an hour
01:55:26BigMacI left it while I got my haircut
01:55:30BigMacbut not charging
01:55:33markunLast time I asked you it was just 5 minutes. I must have misunderstood.
01:55:48BigMacYes, thi instance is
01:55:58BigMacI unplugged it to see if it would turn on
01:56:05BigMacbut it didn't
01:56:06markunmaybe reset the player with the battery switch and try to charge again
01:56:12markunI don't know what else you could try.
01:56:45BigMacYah, tried that last night too
01:56:55BigMacthanks guy, anyone else got any ideas
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02:01:38aznhow do you install the pacman rom
02:02:31scorche|wazn: how many times do we have to tell you to read the wikipages/manual?
02:02:57aznit says put it in the .rockbox/pacman/ directory
02:03:12aznso does that mean to create a pacman folder?
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02:03:53scorche|wif it doesnt exist, yes
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02:21:21Soul-BurnI seem to have a problem with themes. Many of them simply don't change much and don't look like in the previews
02:22:50saratogawhat theme did you try
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02:24:08Soul-Burnoh wait
02:24:13Soul-Burnit might just be a font problem
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02:24:39Soul-BurnAqua, Trinity, JoltAmp
02:24:54saratogagot a link?
02:24:57Soul-Burnall give me an ugly green font that isn't the one supposed to be
02:25:13Soul-Burnthey are all in the "extra" installation version
02:26:54saratogaSoul-Burn: might want to mention a player and which of the sites linked under there you grabbed them from
02:27:04saratogaif you're not going to link the specific one
02:27:14Soul-BurniPod photo, http://www.rockbox.org/
02:27:43Soul-Burnfull "extra install"
02:27:49Soul-Burnfrom the gui installer
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02:32:42azni've checked the manual i can't find how to update your music
02:32:55aznin the rockbox database
02:33:06Soul-BurnSetting -> Database -> Update
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02:34:45aznhow long does it take
02:35:13Soul-Burna few minutes for me
02:35:31aznk
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02:35:39azni have a nano
02:35:41aznipod
02:35:46azni want to add movies
02:35:53aznwhere is it in the manual
02:36:06Soul-Burnto add stuff, just copy it to your player
02:36:17Soul-Burnmovies should be mpeg1/2 in .mpg form
02:37:32webguest46anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with an ipod video 30gb?
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02:42:03webguest26does anyone know how to get the griffin itrip to work with rockbox?
02:44:02aznr youtube vids .mpg?
02:46:02advlaptop2019webguest26, there is a wiki about that
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02:51:26Soul-Burndamn battery life goes down
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03:00:12AghasterHi
03:00:29AghasterI'm trying to find the page where all the credits for the people who contributed to the project is
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03:17:33stripwaxAghaster - it's inside rockbox itself - I believe it's a plugin called "Credits".
03:17:52stripwaxand in SVN also
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03:18:04saratogai know when you do a build it spits out a text file, but i have no idea where it comes from
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03:20:18sk8memberhello
03:20:30sk8memberany one there?
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03:29:31hermydoes anyone have like a link for the gui for installing rockbox
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04:50:44psycho_maniacwhats the custom quickscreen patch?
04:53:20psycho_maniacdoes it still need testing? i can test now after i finially got my gigabeat back
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05:05:30JdGordonpsycho_maniac: yeah, if you wanna test it that would be good... fs#8553... althought the gigabeat screen really is too big for it so the parts which actually need testing (resizing and moving the items around) wont get tested
05:06:37psycho_maniacwhat players do need testing?
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05:06:44JdGordonall
05:06:50JdGordonbut more the ones with smalller screens
05:08:35psycho_maniacsince my sansa isnt my main player anymore i can test that also
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05:11:17psycho_maniacand quickscreen.2.patch is the most current patch?
05:11:56JdGordonno... 1 min
05:12:52psycho_maniacwell im updating my source this moment anyways so i have time.
05:13:01JdGordonok, latest ver is up
05:13:44psycho_maniaci see it was in svn then taken out. why was this?
05:14:08scorchedont ask :)
05:19:30psycho_maniacwhat number do i input when doing the patch command?
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05:22:07JdGordon-p0
05:22:13JdGordonas all patches should be
05:22:49psycho_maniacthanks
05:23:57psycho_maniaci could maybe do an ipod video test also
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05:24:49psycho_maniacerr maybe not. im getting a "missing initializer" error
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05:25:47psycho_maniacit patches fine though
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05:43:02psycho_maniacare there custom settings somewhere in the menu?
05:43:41JdGordonthey are in the config file
05:44:19JdGordon"quickscreen spot:config name" where spot is left, right top or bottom and config name is the config string of the option you want to put there
05:44:37JdGordone.g. "quickscreen bottom:shuffle"
05:45:09psycho_maniacwow you can tell i have this patched. seems to run slow when i enter quickscreen and change "show files"
05:45:30midgeyare there any settings in svn that are "hidden" as in they can only be changed by editing the cfg file
05:45:34JdGordonyeah, that needs fixing
05:45:39psycho_maniacalso i can only change it to either "supported" or "all"
05:45:46JdGordonmidgey: yes 1
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05:45:58JdGordonother than some filename settings
05:46:04midgeywhich one is that?
05:46:53JdGordonhold_lr_to_scroll or something along those lines
05:47:00JdGordonsettings_list.c if you really interesetd
05:47:16midgeyi'll check it out after exams
05:48:04midgeyregarding the debate about gather runtime etc from earlier, i think thats a good candidate for being hidden.
05:48:21midgeyset it to on by default and it could be changed by editing the config
05:48:22JdGordonwe all agree hiden settings suck though
05:48:45midgeyindeed but it would keep the option available and cut down on binsize slightly
05:48:58midgeynot sure where you'd draw the line though
05:49:13JdGordonthe delta would be tiny
05:49:19JdGordon100bytes or something
05:49:24JdGordonbarely wrth the efort
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05:49:57psycho_maniacJdGordon: give me some random settings to test this patch with
05:52:36JdGordonsave your settings, open the .cfg with your favorite (or any) text editor.. grab one that you want to put there
05:56:21psycho_maniacworks alright. i had a long one in there but it didnt show up. disable autoresume if phones not present
05:57:41JdGordondidnt show up how?
05:57:47JdGordonscreenshots!
05:57:50psycho_maniacalso i had a "quickscreen top:" setting and that didtn show up either. its not there.
05:58:29psycho_maniachold on
05:58:57psycho_maniacjust curious. have you had many testers?
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06:01:30JdGordonno
06:01:35JdGordonthats the bloody problem
06:01:58psycho_maniacfirst is the settings: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225913749.png
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06:02:25JdGordonarg.. i think I found the problem with the colours... viewports isnt using drawmode as I expected
06:02:34JdGordonthats fucked!
06:02:43psycho_maniac?
06:02:45JdGordonoh, thats the text editor :p
06:02:59psycho_maniaccorrect. showing you what settings i have to the quickscreen
06:03:18JdGordonok, they look correct
06:03:21psycho_maniacand this is what shows up: http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08065/dump080207-225936154.png
06:03:45JdGordonshow files is 2 words
06:04:05psycho_maniacalright, but what about the one on the left?
06:04:06JdGordonand the left one is too long
06:04:23JdGordonmax 20 letters, which needs fixing...
06:04:27JdGordonnot sure how though
06:04:32psycho_maniacahh ok
06:05:06psycho_maniaccould you do volume?
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06:06:14JdGordonelmost every setting should work
06:06:25JdGordonthe only ones which definatly wont work are the colours and filenames
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06:07:42psycho_maniacalright but i can only change 2 settings out of any the setting has.. Ie: show files is either all or supported and volume is only 0 or 1.
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06:08:31JdGordonthis is where it gets interesting... that was reported, but i cant reproduce it
06:08:33psycho_maniacwow when i did volume (this is probably not very good) i have it set to "left" and when i press it it goes from +6 to -73 repeating
06:08:53psycho_maniacgood thing i dont have headphones plugged in
06:09:00JdGordon:)
06:09:24JdGordonshow files reall doesnt work for you?
06:09:27psycho_maniacactually the volume doesnt seem to change.
06:09:54psycho_maniacit will only let me set it to supported or all
06:10:00JdGordonok, you can stop testing... im fiddling with it now, if your stil around in an hour you can test again if im done
06:10:50psycho_maniacalso volume doesnt change in quickscreen. When i exit the quickscreen THEN it changes
06:12:13JdGordonyeah, fixing that
06:13:26psycho_maniacalso show files doesnt even work. It showed to show "supported" but was set to "playlists"
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06:17:54psycho_maniacI would be glad to help JdGordon but our time zones are different or i go to bed early. and am pretty busy in my normal life.
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06:19:51psycho_maniacso i will probably pop in tomorrow and see whats up and check the fs page.
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06:29:18JdGordonhow does everyone feel about being asked to apply settings if a setting is changed in the quickscreen that doesnt have an auto-update callback function?
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07:12:28JdGordonoh bloody hell... /me slaps the sim
07:12:39JdGordonactually.. /me slaps the target
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07:45:38Nico_PjhMikeS: you rock!
07:45:52Nico_Pjust tested your changes on my S and I get to the menu!
07:46:10*JdGordon was going to say stop wasting time with the S and get to work on the swcodec replacement :)
07:49:12jhMikeSNico_P: I've no idea what to do next re: the directory tree