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#rockbox log for 2008-02-10

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00:01:29rasherDoes anyone see why we're still shipping profont? The license (which we include) says "You may redistribute unmodified copies of ProFont Distriubtion"
00:01:48rasherI don't believe shipping it as .bdf counts as unmodified.
00:03:06scorche|shrasher: hrm...i am trying to remember exactly how we counted it, i think lostlogic might remember...
00:03:08linuxstbAnd we're also not distributing "ProFont Distribution" - which is defined as 7 different things...
00:03:51rasherFWIW Bagder seems to agree http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20070617#23:30:28
00:04:03LloreanThe original font is "Freeware"
00:04:20LloreanThey do state their intent is to have profont distributed "as widely as possible", but apparently only as that specific package.
00:07:18amiconnsaratoga: That patch is nasty as-is
00:07:52amiconnIn pcf50605.c, it disables voltage setup for all targets, and only implements it for ipod video
00:08:23amiconn-> all other PCF PP targets no longer get those voltages set up
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00:09:25saratogaamiconn: could you post that in the FS thread so taht buschel sees it?
00:09:30amiconnAnd why it switches off the dock connector voltage even on G5 is beyond me. I'd expect reports about non-working accessories from this
00:09:45Lloreanrasher: Sadly, the maintainer email in the license doesn't work. =/
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00:13:16countrymonkeyrasher: Any news on the arabic translation?
00:17:27rashercountrymonkey: would you mind not asking the same question every 2 days? It's not like I'm going to keep the translation to myself unless you ask me for it.
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00:22:08countrymonkeyok
00:22:51karl_rasher: is your nick referring to the irish bacon, or something else?
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00:27:08countrymonkeyrasher: speaking of translations, your translate page has a mistake. It reads tradtional chinese. I assume you mean traditional chinese. Could this please be fixed?
00:28:31saratogaamiconn: should i make those corrections now and comitt it or do you want me to kick this back to Buschel for further cleanup?
00:29:46rashercountrymonkey: fixed
00:29:59rasherkarl_: That's off topic, and no, it doesn't refer to anything.
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00:30:28gevaertsWrite support still has some problems. I copied a linux kernel source tree to my sansa and back, and there is a problem with 21 files (out of 22390)
00:30:58countrymonkeythanks
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00:33:21gevaertsActually it might just as well be read support. I'll boot to OF to check
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00:46:47crzyboysterJust finished up the update to the Hindi translation > http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8575
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00:49:47gevaertsFalse alarm : the files were not actually different, but there were some files missing due to having names only differing in case, so some of them disapeared when copying them to a FAT filesystem.
00:50:33rashercrzyboyster: Please fix your text editor to not insert a BOM at the beginning of files
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00:50:55crzyboysterSorry, but what is a BOM?
00:51:35linuxstbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte-order_mark
00:52:41Lloreangevaerts: So it seems reliable?
00:52:53crzyboysterI use notepad. Is the "$Id$" what you guys are talking about?
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00:53:27rasher"sed -i -e 's/\xef\xbb\xbf//' filename" to remove a BOM
00:53:32rashercrzyboyster: no, read linuxstb's link
00:54:18crzyboysterI really don't understand any of that...
00:54:54rashercrzyboyster: Just don't use notepad
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00:55:33Horschtnotepad++ or TED notepad are good notepad replacements for windows
00:55:56soapnotepad2 as well
00:56:38crzyboysterPoint taken, I won't use notepad anymore (down with Windows!) and can you just remove the BOM yourself for me?
00:57:16rashercrzyboyster: Already committed.
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01:08:28gevaertsLlorean: For me and rasher anyway. There's a report on the tracker about some problems, but I'm still looking into it.
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01:14:56gevaertsrasher: do you see the sd card slot appearing in your dmesg output if there is a sdhc card in it with the OF ?
01:15:56gevaertsrasher: I'm asking because I find it strange that in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562#comment21383 there is no trace of the sd card at all
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01:17:30rashergevaerts: So you want the dmesg output when plugging with an sdhc card while in OF?
01:18:13gevaertsrasher: yes. I don't need the entire output, but I just want to know if the OF presents two devices
01:18:30rasherI think it does
01:19:02gevaertsIt should, but maybe it just ignores it entirely if there is an unsupported card in it.
01:19:26rasherActually that seems to be the case
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01:21:19rasherhttp://www.pastebin.ca/898011
01:21:29star_jasminewow... congratulations and thanks to the people responsible for the rbuilt utility. I just took a look at the right one for use with screenreaders. very accessible
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01:23:32gevaertsrasher: it prints '[sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk' for it. The tracker post doesn't contain that (neither for OF nor for rockbox), so I'm a bit doubtful about his hardware
01:23:55rasherAh, so it does. I missed that
01:25:22rashergevaerts: It even does that when no card is present
01:26:08gevaertsrasher: that's needed for hotplug support.
01:26:40rasherSure, I'm just saying there's really no reason why he should not get a second disk
01:27:04gevaertsExcept if he has broken hardware...
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01:29:03rashergevaerts: Where does the OF live? Is it possible that it's become slightly corrupted?
01:29:19crzyboysterWhich font gallery format is better at > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserConvertedFonts ? The top one or the bottom one?
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01:29:53BigBambigevaerts: I've just been trying the patch with an e260 + 1GB SD in linux - it mounts and I can browse both the internal memory and the sd card fine, but on the unit tiself I don't get a USB screen and I can still browse the menus etc. I havne't tried to do anything like play music as I don't want to corrupt anything :)
01:29:58gevaertsrasher: from what I understand the OF lives on the second partition.
01:30:32rasherBigBambi: I don't think the USB screen is working yet
01:30:40gevaertsBigBambi: I'm seeing the same thing.
01:30:44BigBambiOK cool
01:31:02rashercrzyboyster: The bottom one is full of weird info.. it's hard to make a decision based on an incomplete example
01:31:15BigBambiJolly nice work by the way :)
01:31:25gevaertsActually, I did try high speed again earlier today (it still doesn't work), and then I got the USB screen when I plugged in.
01:31:38BigBambiOne or the other :)
01:32:44rashercrzyboyster: Also, there's little need for such a big screenshot.. and using standard wiki syntax for the tables would be preferable
01:33:41crzyboysterrasher: What about now, is it easier to decide? And the problem is that the regular wiki syntax doesn't allow me to make it look like that...
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01:34:30rashercrzyboyster: The top one is certainly possible
01:35:41crzyboysterHold on, can someone fix it to make it wiki syntax compatible? And how do you "log off" of twiki?
01:36:14gevaertsIf I rmmod ehci_hcd, I get the USB screen as well. There's probably something weird effect from this force-full-speed bit.
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01:36:34crzyboysterI am leaning toward the top one, though...
01:37:10crzyboysterI will be back shortly...
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01:37:24faeries26I must be doing something wrong. when I ask the rbuilt tool to configure/ create a voice, it downloads the current one from rockbos'x website, and claims not to be able o find an mp3 file in temp
01:37:42BigBambifaeries26: Wich target?
01:38:06BigBambiDo you not want to select speex for voice now?
01:38:20faeries26sansa e200... an e280 to be exact
01:38:33faeries26I selected speex
01:38:54BigBambiHmmm, not sure then
01:39:34BigBambiDomonoky and bluebrother are your rbutil chaps, but it is 01:40 over here at the moment so I suspect they are asleep
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01:39:57simonrvncrashd_: ?logout=true IIRC
01:39:58faeries26oh ok. well, I can always use cygwin. very nice utility
01:40:02faeries26rbuilt that is.
01:40:21faeries26just have to figure out what I've done wrong
01:40:29simonrvncrashd_: sorry
01:40:38simonrvnperson it was meant for is gone...
01:40:50countrymonkeyWould somebody please build me a copy of svn rbutil and post it somewhere? I cannot figure out qt.
01:41:26BigBambiI'm not going to, but you might get more takers if you at least specified OS
01:41:39countrymonkeySory, windows
01:41:55BigBambiThen why not use the binary bluebrother posted the link to in the forum?
01:42:00countrymonkeyI don't know why I always forget.
01:42:12countrymonkeywhat link?
01:42:19BigBambiThere is a search button
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01:46:04gevaertsI'm going to get some sleep
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01:52:30midgeyso, it seems safari doesn't like the live irc log
01:53:04midgeyit works fine on the archived logs, but the current log gets in a loop where it keeps downloading the file over and over and never displays
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02:08:20DerPapstmidgey: yupp.. iirc firefox is the only browser which likes the live log. not sure about opera though
02:09:13midgeyat least on other non-supported browsers (like IE) you get a log that doesnt update
02:10:43midgeyaccording to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology) http server push should work
02:14:49countrymonkeyI wish 8456 would be committed. I know less than 3% is translated but it will let other people use rasher's page to finish the work. I don't think alex will keep the translation going.
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02:24:24DerPapstGood night everyone :-)
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03:46:32crzyboysterI'm having trouble generating a Hindi voice file in rbutilqt (can it even generate Hindi voice files from espeak HI?)
03:46:57crzyboysterHow exactly should I set it up properly because right now it spits out a 3 kb file.
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05:07:45kfazzi get the usb logo every time, unless i hold the center button, but i'm on a fullspeed port
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05:35:47keanuhi
05:36:02keanu...or not
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05:41:24saratogaBuschel: i saw your new patch
05:41:34saratogadoes it still use 24MHz as the default clock rate?
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05:45:51Buschelah, hi :)
05:45:57Buschelyes, it still uses 24MHz
05:46:10Buscheljust reading your reply
05:47:04saratogayou'll have to go through amiconn and the other ipod developers to get the 24MHz core clock change committed
05:47:13saratogabut i can commit the device disable changes sooner
05:47:52saratogatheres actually a long history of people arguing over what the core clock speed should be
05:48:14Buscheli had this discussion with them a few weeks ago :)
05:48:20saratogafor a while, people wanted to increase the boosted speed to improve performance, and there were some bitter arguments on filespray about it
05:48:47saratogaso people will be cautious about it i think
05:48:48Buschelwell, it's a pitty that my GUI-boost didn't work fine...
05:49:00saratogawhat was the issue with that anyway?
05:49:47Buschelit did not boost on scrolling lines. this caused some interference...
05:50:18saratogai always liked the idea of just tying boost to the back light
05:50:21Lloreansaratoga: No, they wanted to raise the base speed to improve performance. Raising the boosted speed really doesn't do much, in almost all cases, I'd think.
05:50:39saratogaLlorean: that makes sense
05:50:55Buschelwe really need to find a solution to scale the CPU for low consuming codecs. FLAC may run at <20MHz, but we're wasting mA's with letting CPU run at 30MHz
05:51:33saratogai really do like the idea of adjusting the base clock speed depending on usage
05:52:00saratogawould it be feasible to lower the base clock speed whenever the back light is off?
05:52:08saratogaand keep it at 30MHz when on?
05:52:20saratogawould sidestep the GUI responsiveness and plugin issues neatly
05:53:10Buschelthis is really something for a seperate patch ;o)
05:53:16Buschelbut it would be feasible
05:53:16saratogayes i know
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05:54:04saratogacan you update your patch to do 30MHz now?
05:54:07saratogaI'd like to commit it
05:54:54BuschelI am doing a test build right now. there will be something quick-and-dirty like #if 0/#else/endif, wherease the #if0 contains the 24MHz variant
05:55:18saratogai think thats acceptable
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05:58:22Buschelmy PC is building sloow
05:58:42saratogadidn't people get you a new PC a while back?
05:58:53Buschel? when?
05:59:12saratogai thought there was some donations for an mpc developer's PC
05:59:18saratogaor was the Klemm
05:59:29Buschelthat was Klemm, I never did such things
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06:00:35saratogaah got you two confused
06:01:23BuschelKlemm took over the development and then asked the users to donate a PC
06:01:39JdGordonkeanu: sup?
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06:01:54Buschelin 2000 or 2001
06:02:37keanuJdGordon, sorry, I gotta go now =/
06:04:03Buschelsaratoga: only a few minutes to go
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06:07:33saratogaBuschel: what are you building on?
06:07:54Buschel30MHz, build ready, just running. now creating patch
06:13:18Lloreansaratoga: I do agree that I'd rather not see the UI responsiveness lowered for just two or three codecs, especially when MPC and FLAC aren't exactly the most widely used things ever in the first place.
06:13:51LloreanIf a solution can be come up with where the UI isn't hindered, then I'm all for savings there, of course.
06:14:12Buschelsaratoga: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gjck1y to verify
06:14:58BuschelLlorean: did you use this patch (@24MHz) and found the GUI less responsive?
06:17:54LloreanBuschel: I don't have a 5th generation iPod, the one where it will most be a problem
06:18:06LloreanBut I know there are already people who think it's not responsive enough during music playback at 30mhz
06:18:37Buschelsaratoga: btw, my PC is some x686 700MHz
06:19:33saratogaBuschel: no wonder it takes you a while to build
06:19:49saratogai could probably get you SSH access to a faster system if you'd like
06:20:06saratogathough hopefulyl you have fast internet if you're going to pull builds between them
06:20:30soapditto
06:20:48Buschelsaratoga: I'll buy a new notebook soon as I otherwise would have to go into the basement in future. my son will have my home-office as his room.
06:21:14saratogaalright, let me know if you change you mind
06:21:28Buscheli will and thanks for your offer
06:22:26soapmaybe a second build server farm - round-robin assignment of single builds for developers who lack access to a decently fast machine?
06:23:06soapbut that's probably overkill.
06:23:50saratogai could probably just stick an old P4 in a lab somewhere and leave SSH on if anyone really needed it
06:24:13saratogaprobably be good for ~2 minutes a build, maybe a bit better
06:24:45Buschelmine needs 26-28 minutes
06:27:07saratogaheh, i do about ~ 35 seconds
06:27:22Buschelclean build?
06:27:47LloreanWith ccache, sure.
06:27:52LloreanAbout 40 seconds here.
06:28:08BuschelI need a new PC
06:28:27LloreanAs much as 4 minutes in a completely clean environment with ccache emptied, iirc.
06:28:36saratogai don't have ccache
06:28:39Buschelfunny thing is: my wife also wants a new one, so I should take the chance ;-)
06:29:14saratogadoes it make a big difference
06:29:31Lloreansaratoga: It can under a lot of circumstances.
06:30:00saratogaBuschel: for the commit message, how much should I say this improves battery life?
06:30:04soapdepends on your build habits. If the same files keep getting compiled over and over again w/o revision, it will save you some serious CPU.
06:30:39Buschelsaratoga: let me check my Excel file
06:30:47Lloreansaratoga: you could always just say "significant battery life improvement"
06:31:11LloreanIf you quote a number, someone's always going to say "I don't get that much" and turn out to either have wrong math, or just unique circumstances, but they'll file a bug report nonetheless. :-P
06:33:16Buschelabout this (when not taking into account the MPC/FLAC measurements): iPod 4G +~50%, 5G +15-20%, C200 +15%, E200 +20%, H10 +25%, nano +30%
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06:33:31Buschelbut for H10/nano there were only few measurements
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06:35:01Buschelbut you should better say "significant improvement" like Llorean suggests
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06:39:37saratogaok commited
06:39:51Buschellet's see
06:40:55saratogathis reminds me, i still need to go through the Sansa's power management chip and squeeze some more battery life out of it
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06:41:32LloreanAnd get charging working properly?
06:41:42saratogaBuschel: do you mind if I close your FS entry now?
06:41:45Buschelit's quite a pain to play around with power management. you'll need lots of time to find out if it's stable...
06:41:47saratogaor do you want to do the honors
06:42:05saratogaLlorean: yeah that too, though its pretty simple to do
06:42:30Buschelsaratoga: just close it. I might open up a new one for the 24MHz and PCF-fiddling ;)
06:43:37Buschelit's a good feeling to see the work of several weeks finally committed :)
06:46:19saratogai'm just amazed to see this
06:46:27saratogai didn't htink we'd ever get anywhere with the ipod runtime
06:47:38saratogadamn it broke some sims
06:48:02Lloreansaratoga: Improved runtime on iPods, USB support on the horizon... What next, someone cracking the Zune of the iPod Classic?
06:48:13Lloreanor
06:48:56*jhMikeS has a probable answer for shorter run times on PP - the tick runs too slow (not a joke)
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06:49:02Buscheldamn, the debug menu...
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06:51:10jhMikeSe200 fell ~4s behind in 3 minutes which is similar for H10.
06:51:52saratogaBuschel: what does that check for DEBUG_CANCEL even do?
06:52:02saratogajhMikeS: fell behind what?
06:52:26Buschelsaratoga: there's a #ifndef SIMULATOR missing around dbg_pcf()
06:53:26jhMikeSsaratoga: compared with the clock on my desktop PC
06:53:41saratogaBuschel: line 1366 in debug_menu.c?
06:54:05saratogajhMikeS: thats with this latest commit?
06:54:44Buschelyes: #if (CONFIG_RTC == RTC_PCF50605) && !defined(SIMULATOR)
06:54:53jhMikeSno. I was just seeing how accurate ticks are and they're pretty badly off (comparing others to some adjustments on S)
06:55:23*jhMikeS does some triple checking on something
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07:03:02saratogajhMikeS: the 5024 can adjust the clock if its running too fast or too slow
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07:07:32LloreanjhMikeS: That'd account for another 2% or so runtime error?
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07:09:02Buschelagain build error for PCSIm
07:10:06saratogayeah i'm fixing it
07:10:33saratogathis time i'm even going to compile a sim before i decide its fixed!
07:10:48jhMikeShmmm...did a different check and the theory seems to be disproven. Woulda been neat if it were that simple. :)
07:10:55Buschelthe line should be added to 2383... I am doing the same right now
07:11:55saratogaBuschel: already commited
07:12:12Buschelwell, you're building faster :)
07:12:19*jhMikeS hates jumping the gun so badly like that...argh
07:12:33Buschelmy fault, don't bother
07:21:53saratogaok all green
07:21:56saratogaand i'm going to bed
07:22:10Buschelthanks!
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07:42:19mewshiSo... I got my girlfriend to try rockbox ^_^
07:43:09mewshiand... um...
07:43:14mewshishe has a few complaints
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07:48:16mewshi???
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07:51:06[potato]me thinks theres a feedback thingy for complaints on the rockbox site.
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07:55:14mewshiYeah
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07:55:25mewshiJust wondering, how hard would it be to put rockbox into standby?
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08:00:40[potato]standby?
08:00:49[potato]wouldn't that be a waste of batteries?
08:04:30soapDepends on your point of view. If the point of batteries is to power your device - and the point of your device is to give a satisfying user experience - and the reboot cuts into your satisfaction - I'd say standby mode would be a good usage of battery.
08:05:31soapAlso, depending on your usage pattern - in and out of standby might actually prolong battery life if you are frequently powering off and on a HDD player.
08:08:12[potato]i didn't think of it that way.
08:08:22mewshiYeah :)
08:08:32[potato]=]
08:08:32mewshimy girlfriend would like that, like the original firmware on her player has
08:08:49soapThat being said, and no offense to mewshi intended - but I think it is rather silly to think standby mode would be A-Easy and B-Valuable and C-Not done.
08:09:15[potato]where can i go to check on the status of the USB stack?
08:12:36scorcherockbox.org/irc
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08:12:45scorchebrowse the logs :)
08:12:54[potato]thnx =]
08:12:56kfazzso... trying to compile an interrupt enabled bootloader for e200. i keep getting undefined references to current_tick in thread.c
08:13:06kfazzwas looking at the new gigabeat s one for reference
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08:15:49soap[potato],