00:00:12 | stripwax | hello |
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00:00:47 | rasher | Wellthen. |
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00:03:01 | webguest70 | hello? |
00:03:07 | stripwax | hello |
00:03:19 | * | stripwax finds this rather amusing |
00:03:34 | webguest70 | how hard is it to reprogram MP3 Player? |
00:03:39 | stripwax | very |
00:03:47 | stripwax | webguest70 - which mp3 player? |
00:03:48 | webguest70 | Ok |
00:04:05 | webguest70 | Coby MP-C7082 |
00:04:47 | stripwax | I don't think I've heard of that one before. Certainly rockbox doesn't currently run on it.. are you a developer? |
00:05:00 | webguest70 | No. Not really |
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00:05:20 | LawliPop|Len| | If your file does not have the .mpg, .mpeg, .mpv or .m2v extension, you will need to use the "Open With..." context menu option and choose "mpegplayer". <<< http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
00:05:26 | LawliPop|Len| | How would I go about doing this? |
00:05:30 | LawliPop|Len| | on a sansa e200 |
00:05:37 | webguest70 | Currently I am programming for FIRST Robotics competition |
00:05:53 | rasher | LawliPop|Len|: hold down the center button (called Select in documentation) |
00:05:57 | webguest70 | I mean our own team |
00:06:08 | LawliPop|Len| | Ok, let me try that. |
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00:06:33 | rasher | LawliPop|Len|: Be aware though, that the file must still be an mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 movie. |
00:06:45 | webguest70 | stripwax? |
00:06:47 | stripwax | webguest70 - do you know anything about the hardware that the Coby uses? i.e. is it even programmable? |
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00:07:33 | webguest70 | well they claim that if needed be, they will have firmware available for download on their website |
00:07:39 | webguest70 | but they don't have anything |
00:07:50 | webguest70 | and the firmware is really bad |
00:08:36 | * | gevaerts 's previous player also claimed firmware upgradability, but google hadn't ever heard of the brand... |
00:08:52 | stripwax | webguest70 - can you find out more about the hardware itself? what processor it has for example. |
00:09:37 | LawliPop|Len| | Hmm, looks like the video and sound is way off sync. |
00:09:54 | stripwax | webguest70 - does it have any firmware files (even if a file for the current version of the firmware is available would help identify its innards) |
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00:11:20 | webguest70 | no |
00:11:24 | LawliPop|Len| | Made it show FPS, and it's really low (around 15-16fps). |
00:11:33 | LawliPop|Len| | Was working fine yesterday. |
00:11:57 | webguest70 | I wish they did, because then I could try and re-download it |
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00:12:42 | Llorean | LawliPop|Len|: If you didn't know how to play it until you came in here and asked today, how was it working fine yesterday? |
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00:13:06 | LawliPop|Len| | I'm talking about another mpg file, not the one that I was just talking about. |
00:13:32 | webguest70 | I can't seem to find anything online |
00:14:18 | tatsudoshi | hello guys. I am looking for a way contact the rb team to offer my assistance, so is this 'the' place? |
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00:15:01 | rasher | tatsudoshi: It's not a bad place, speak away. The rockbox-dev mailinglist is another option. |
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00:15:21 | stripwax | webguest70 - it sounds like you might be out of luck in that case, unless you are able to identify more about the hardware on your own (example: take it apart and take photos. you may not be willing to do that, of course!) |
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00:15:40 | Llorean | LawliPop|Len|: Well how did you encode the video that's having problems? |
00:15:52 | webguest70 | I can do that but not right now |
00:16:14 | crzyboyster | What does everyone think of the new gigabeat version of cabbiev2? > http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443 all the way at the bottom. Is it ready to commit and approved? |
00:16:40 | LawliPop|Len| | All I know was that it was converted through an rm converter at 220X176, 30fps, 196 bitrate, and don't remember the rest. |
00:17:00 | tatsudoshi | well I mainly do big pro web solutions (administrative systems) but have exp with java. Is rb in C(++) ? |
00:17:30 | webguest70 | do you have another way I can contact you after cracking it open and snaping pictures? |
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00:17:40 | Llorean | LawliPop|Len|: Then it's a little hard for anyone to help you, since we can't know it if you don't know it. Why not try using one of the recommended means of converting in the wiki. |
00:17:56 | LawliPop|Len| | o |
00:18:05 | LawliPop|Len| | Whoops, I meant to say "ok". |
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00:18:40 | webguest70 | do you have another way I can contact you after cracking it open and snaping pictures? |
00:18:40 | webguest70 | stripwax - |
00:19:08 | webguest29 | Hello, I am looking for the logs for yesterdays date. Where can I find it. I am in Indiana, so I dont know what the time difference is?!? |
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00:19:21 | scorche|w | rockbox.org/irc |
00:19:26 | stripwax | another way? rockbox mailing list, irc, rockbox forums, .. all of those things should be sufficient. note you probably don't want/need to contact *me* - any interested developer would be interested in the information |
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00:20:43 | webguest70 | Oh, OK Thanks |
00:21:41 | toffe82 | webguest70: :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
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00:23:30 | crzyboyster | I have noticed something odd about the brickmania game. A while ago (1-2 months maybe) the scrolling in the game was "smooth" and not "blocky" like it is right now. I remember when I first started using rockbox, the paddle scrolling was "blocky" and then some time ago it became "smooth" and now it's back to "blocky".Anyone know what I'm talking about and why it happened? |
00:23:43 | webguest70 | OK |
00:24:03 | webguest29 | not realy helpful. I looked through all of the reecent ones, but i couldent find the one i was looking for. |
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00:24:33 | scorche|w | crzyboyster: are you playing music as well? |
00:25:37 | crzyboyster | Let me try it with or without that music on... and what does everyone think of committing the new gigabeat cabbiev2? |
00:26:02 | scorche|w | is that a yes? |
00:26:20 | webguest29 | I need to fin a post that was made at approximatley 10:00 my time pm |
00:26:26 | webguest29 | Find |
00:26:38 | scorche|w | webguest29: well, if it was said, it is in there.. |
00:26:43 | webguest29 | yesterday |
00:26:53 | Llorean | crzyboyster: Seriously, you don't need to ask about the theme over and over |
00:26:59 | webguest29 | me/ |
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00:27:50 | EZ-Surfer | jeez... this is killin me... can somebody tell me for sure... does the arm branch instruction b 0x30 set pc to 0x30 or does it set the pc to pc + 0x30? |
00:27:55 | crzyboyster | It happens both with and without the music on... and by "smooth" I mean like the "Brick" game in the original apple os |
00:28:46 | scorche|w | huh? |
00:29:36 | stripwax | EZ-Surfer - b 0x00000030 jumps to address 0x00000030. http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/bl.html |
00:30:02 | Llorean | crzyboyster: The most helpful thing you could do is track down when it changed, then. Nobody can fix it if they don't know what went wrong |
00:30:57 | LawliPop|Len| | Seems that the problem was the 220X176 resolution, thanks for your help. |
00:31:03 | EZ-Surfer | thnks stripwax.... thats what I thought happend, but then I read some documents that say it's pc+offset |
00:31:08 | LawliPop|Len| | I can idle here, right? |
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00:32:45 | webguest29 | was anyone online when scorche kicked that eso guy? |
00:33:07 | scorche|w | im sure plenty were... |
00:33:12 | * | scorche|w coughs |
00:33:20 | stripwax | EZ-Surfer - it depends what you're looking at exactly. I think the opcode contains a relative address rather than absolute.. but the convention in disassembly output is to show the (calculated..) absolute address. |
00:33:33 | stripwax | sorry if that wasn't clear |
00:34:45 | webguest29 | He was a creep |
00:34:46 | EZ-Surfer | ah... that makes a whole lot more sense |
00:35:22 | EZ-Surfer | thanks |
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00:38:13 | gevaerts | From my reading of the UTMI spec, it looks like it doesn't export any registers to the system, so there's nothing to configure there |
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00:39:03 | stripwax | is the problem that bytes 33,34,35 are garbaged, or that three bytes get inserted in between real bytes 32 & 33 ? |
00:39:39 | rasher | They get zeroed |
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00:39:46 | gevaerts | stripwax: Every 32-byte block starts with 29 good bytes and then has 3 zero bytes |
00:40:09 | gevaerts | The bytes that survive are correct and in the right place |
00:40:11 | rasher | At least, I've never seen anything but zeroes, but might it be "random memory which happens to be zeroes"? |
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00:40:43 | rasher | Not that it changes much (yet anyway) |
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00:42:39 | webguest29 | i cant open the help tool bar. it gives me an error on the status page |
00:42:49 | delorean90 | hello, has anyone here been expiriencing battery issues with thier h10 20gb on the latest builds? |
00:43:19 | n1s | rasher: are bytes 30, 31 and 32 overwritten or do they come aftewr the three zeroed bytes? |
00:43:31 | rasher | n1s: they are overwritten. |
00:43:37 | n1s | ah |
00:44:30 | rasher | n1s: http://pastebin.ca/896483 |
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00:45:41 | stripwax | curious |
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00:46:18 | preglow | gevaerts: still, a quick compare with disk mode might still be enlightening |
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00:47:34 | gevaerts | preglow: obviously, but my arm assembly knowledge is still not good |
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00:48:25 | preglow | gevaerts: well, for what it's worth, it's not hard to learn :) |
00:49:30 | * | gevaerts is now searching the web for possible further information on the controller |
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00:52:42 | * | webguest29 is annoyed at scorche |
00:53:01 | gevaerts | preglow: so you know it ? ;-) |
00:53:08 | preglow | gevaerts: yeah |
00:53:22 | scorche|w | webguest29: do i really have to ban you again? |
00:53:36 | webguest29 | me? |
00:53:38 | * | gevaerts thinks preglow knows what he is suggesting... |
00:53:51 | rasher | webguest29: The help button doesn't work. It'll be fixed in time. (hint hint Zagor) |
00:54:08 | preglow | gevaerts: no time, i'm afraid :> |
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00:57:25 | preglow | on that note, it's bed time! |
00:57:46 | gevaerts | Would anyone like to guess what a 5 bit long field called VUSB_HS_DEV_EP in a register called HWDEVICE actually means ? I guess it somehow indicates the number of endpoints, but how is that encoded ? As a mask, a number ? And if a number, in and out combined, or pairs ? |
00:58:22 | * | gevaerts thinks the iMX31 manual just copied a part from the ARC manual, but they forgot some bits |
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01:00:53 | stripwax | gevaerts - if I google for that, i get exactly one hit ... |
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01:02:06 | stripwax | gevaerts - page 105 help? http://coreriver.co.kr/data/manual/TitanBM_1120.pdf |
01:02:12 | rasher | stripwax: ain't that interesting |
01:02:19 | stripwax | indeed |
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01:03:36 | rasher | Yay for google indexing pdfs |
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01:06:28 | gevaerts | stripwax: looks like another user of the same USB core. No new information though |
01:07:18 | stripwax | pity |
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01:08:24 | stripwax | wonder if they have the same dma controller |
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01:28:56 | Kernel | hello all. im trying to update my rockbox installation...im using the rockbox utility to do this..but it says it cant download the latest rockbox.zip...... |
01:29:35 | Kernel | http error 2 |
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01:39:28 | krazykit | Kernel, if rbutil is giving errors like that, download the latest build from the site and simply unzip it to the root of your device |
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01:43:53 | Inv1s1ble | how do I get write permission to the wiki? I want to add the Sony XA-110IP to the accessory page |
01:44:05 | Inv1s1ble | (as being incompatible) |
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01:44:27 | Inv1s1ble | man I knew I should have bought a Kenwood |
01:47:42 | rasher | Inv1s1ble: What's your wiki name? |
01:47:50 | Inv1s1ble | SumitKhanna |
01:49:14 | rasher | Inv1s1ble: done |
01:49:20 | Inv1s1ble | thanks! |
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01:56:59 | Inv1s1ble | :) I made a minor contribution |
01:57:03 | asdrubal | Does anyone experience lockups when rocording in sansa ? |
01:57:25 | Inv1s1ble | I gotta start developing stuff again |
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01:59:17 | Amoner | hello, guys |
01:59:29 | Amoner | i got a question |
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02:00:24 | Amoner | i am trying to instal rockbox on sansa e250. but when i restart my sansa it loads the old version not the rockbox one... |
02:01:31 | linuxstb | Have you installed the Rockbox bootloader? Either by running sansapatcher or rbutil? |
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02:18:51 | asdrubal | Does anyone experience lockups when rocording in sansa ? |
02:20:25 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, i dont have it.. are you using the latest build |
02:21:18 | asdrubal | How do I tell what build I have? |
02:21:30 | asdrubal | does rbutil grab latest builds? |
02:22:12 | krazykit | system -> rockbox info for the build, and yes |
02:22:55 | asdrubal | krazykit, I have it mounted from OF right now.. can I tell somehow in the filesystem? |
02:23:19 | krazykit | there is, as i recall, a rockbox-info.txt in the .rockbox directory |
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02:23:42 | asdrubal | Manufacturer: sandisk |
02:23:42 | asdrubal | Version: r16287-080211 |
02:25:31 | asdrubal | krazykit, should I run rbutil again? |
02:26:05 | krazykit | oh, i don't know about your problem. i've never had any crashes, but i've not done any serious recording |
02:26:29 | asdrubal | I can't do anything in record screen.. crashes on any keypress |
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02:38:53 | asdrubal | recording locks up .... I can't record anything |
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02:41:32 | asdrubal | Just wondering if this is a sansa problem in general or just a sansa c200 probloem |
02:42:49 | krazykit | maybe it's a filesystem problem. have to used fsck or scandisk (or whatever windows calls it)? |
02:44:17 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, what format are you using in rockbox |
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02:44:46 | asdrubal | krazykit, yeah I did that |
02:44:56 | asdrubal | advlaptop2019, I'm trying to record to mp3 |
02:45:10 | asdrubal | krazykit, I used fsck.vfat |
02:46:01 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, i just did it on my e200 series and had no issue |
02:46:21 | asdrubal | what are you record settings? |
02:46:28 | asdrubal | do you have it on mono,22khz ? |
02:47:46 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, what bitrate? |
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02:47:53 | asdrubal | 64 and 96 both failed |
02:48:04 | asdrubal | I did file split |
02:48:06 | asdrubal | 30 minutes |
02:49:08 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, how long are you recording for? |
02:49:09 | asdrubal | advlaptop2019, are you recording from mic or fm ? |
02:49:21 | asdrubal | advlaptop2019, It freezes on any button press |
02:49:36 | asdrubal | what does prerecord time mean? |
02:49:43 | advlaptop2019 | asdrubal, from mic |
02:51:28 | asdrubal | advlaptop2019, could be a c200 issue |
02:51:38 | asdrubal | I don't know if any devs have a c200 or not |
02:51:49 | krazykit | a few do. |
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03:37:04 | webguest59 | hey people, i got a question about sansa e250... i cannot really run any games or anything... |
03:37:32 | psycho_maniac | whats your question? |
03:37:43 | Absinthe | what sort of games? the default ones or gameboy roms? |
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03:39:01 | webguest59 | well |
03:39:23 | webguest59 | default ones i click on them and in a corner the cd sign shows up, and nothing happens |
03:40:48 | Absinthe | what player? |
03:41:36 | psycho_maniac | he said sansa e250 |
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03:42:54 | Absinthe | sorry..i accidentally disconnected. That is the same as mine. |
03:43:20 | Absinthe | do you have the latest build? |
03:43:39 | webguest59 | e250 |
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03:44:19 | Absinthe | no I mean off the rockbox site |
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03:45:06 | webguest45 | well |
03:45:09 | webguest45 | once that came with it |
03:45:17 | webguest45 | with the rockbox |
03:46:07 | Absinthe | go to System>Version. What does it say? |
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03:48:55 | webguest45 | can't open |
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03:50:01 | psycho_maniac | why cant you open that? |
03:50:31 | webguest45 | i will be back |
03:50:37 | psycho_maniac | Go to the main menu. Click on System, Then click on Rockbox Info |
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03:51:19 | psycho_maniac | I would suggest to get the latest build and or just get a new version of what you have. might currupt files |
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03:51:37 | Amoner | ok |
03:51:39 | Amoner | i am back |
03:51:42 | Amoner | that was me with e250 |
03:51:48 | Amoner | i just instaled the mIRC |
03:51:53 | Amoner | cause online version was too slow |
03:51:58 | Absinthe | ok |
03:52:03 | Amoner | well i installed the rockbox |
03:52:09 | Amoner | but half of it doesnt really work |
03:52:15 | Amoner | like there is no background picture |
03:52:20 | Amoner | even after downloading |
03:52:50 | Amoner | if i go to the system - version it pops up with an error tht cant open |
03:53:04 | psycho_maniac | Go to the main menu. Click on System, Then click on Rockbox Info |
03:53:24 | psycho_maniac | redownload the rockbox.zip for your specific player. |
03:53:48 | Absinthe | or the qt utility |
03:53:54 | Absinthe | its easier |
03:54:00 | Amoner | should i erase everything? |
03:54:12 | psycho_maniac | no |
03:54:23 | Absinthe | yes, but obviously back up your music. |
03:54:25 | Amoner | cause i tried reinstaling |
03:54:43 | Amoner | well i dont really care about music |
03:54:48 | Amoner | i can always put it on |
03:55:12 | psycho_maniac | i dont understand why you have to erase the music because plugins will not work? |
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03:55:30 | Amoner | well i just returnet it |
03:55:40 | Amoner | to the original firmware |
03:56:01 | psycho_maniac | i dont understand what you are saying |
03:56:12 | klaatu | scorche: ping |
03:56:30 | * | scorche waves |
03:56:38 | klaatu | scorche: what up? what should i cut out? |
03:57:02 | Amoner | hmmm |
03:57:18 | asdrubal | what is the key presses I need to do to get my sansa into DISK mode/ |
03:57:33 | asdrubal | instead of mtp |
03:57:45 | krazykit | asdrubal, it's in the OF settings |
03:57:51 | asdrubal | oh.. |
03:57:57 | Amoner | just let me get this straight, if i have e250 can i have a background on my sansa or no? |
03:58:05 | krazykit | Amoner, yes you can |
03:59:04 | asdrubal | krazykit, my settings don't have that option |
03:59:06 | Amoner | k i got it =) |
03:59:14 | krazykit | asdrubal, do you have an e200r? |
03:59:56 | Amoner | sweet thanks guys ;) |
03:59:57 | asdrubal | I have a c240 |
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04:00:11 | asdrubal | there is no option to set anything regarding usb in my sansa |
04:00:16 | asdrubal | this is OF |
04:00:28 | krazykit | ah. maybe you have the firmware version without MSC mode. there's something on the wiki about what version you need |
04:01:09 | asdrubal | so I can't do msc mode? |
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04:03:13 | krazykit | asdrubal, you can, you just have to change the OF to get the option. either that, or there's also a workaround, but you'd have to check yourself. |
04:03:43 | asdrubal | is it difficult to downgrade firmware? |
04:03:55 | krazykit | not particularly |
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04:04:33 | Llorean | It's not necessary to downgrade though |
04:04:53 | ddalton | where do I get rbutil from and is it gtk? (linux one) if it is gtk does anyone know of a command line version? and can the cli version do talkclips? |
04:04:55 | Llorean | If you turn on the hold switch and hold a button (I can't remember which, left maybe) while inserting USB, it'll do UMS mode |
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04:05:39 | krazykit | ddalton, read the manual for the link, they're all written in QT, and the command-line version is still very new, though the recent SVN commits should give you some indication of usability |
04:06:01 | maxftball | i have a sansa e260 and when i play movies there is 1/8th of an inch at the top that is not being used and the video is cut off on the right (using it turned sideways) |
04:06:24 | maxftball | is there any way to get it centered? |
04:06:30 | ddalton | oh qt... damn. so thats not accessible at all? |
04:06:34 | Llorean | maxftball: What resolution did you encode at? |
04:06:50 | maxftball | let em check |
04:07:10 | krazykit | ddalton, it's supposed to be. |
04:07:16 | ddalton | so if I update my svn to the latest can I just build the cli version of rbutil? |
04:07:39 | ddalton | let me see... |
04:08:06 | ddalton | how do I build it? |
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04:09:34 | asdrubal | Llorean, that method doesn't work for me |
04:10:01 | Llorean | asdrubal: Did you follow the actual method as posted, wherever it's posted, or just try to get it from my brief guess here? |
04:10:09 | asdrubal | With the device off, engage the hold switch, press and hold the rewind button, plug the device in your computer. If done correctly, the Sansa will be recognized as an MSC device. |
04:10:23 | maxftball | 240 high 320 wide |
04:10:27 | maxftball | pixels |
04:10:29 | asdrubal | Llorean, doesn't work |
04:10:31 | Llorean | asdrubal: Not with the device off. |
04:10:44 | asdrubal | ? |
04:10:58 | Llorean | asdrubal: Boot the device into the firmware. Once it's fully booted, and not plugged into the computer, THEN engage the hold switch. Then while holding down the rewind button, insert the USB cable |
04:11:17 | asdrubal | ill try |
04:11:18 | Llorean | maxftball: That's far larger than the dimensions of the sansa's screen. |
04:11:25 | rasher | maxftball: That's the wrong resolution. The e200 is 176x220 (or 220x176 when rotated) |
04:11:40 | Llorean | Encode at 220x176 for the e200, yes (or smaller) |
04:11:45 | maxftball | yea i didnt think about it when i encoded it |
04:12:12 | asdrubal | Llorean, ok that worked |
04:12:17 | Absinthe | does anyone know about the status of the sansa view port? |
04:12:22 | Llorean | maxftball: Well, generally speaking, you should follow the directions for using software before asking why it's not working. |
04:12:27 | Llorean | Absinthe: There is no status |
04:13:04 | Absinthe | so it's in the "why dont you learn assembly and get to work if you really want it" stage? |
04:13:23 | Llorean | More or less |
04:14:45 | Absinthe | alright. Hardware's pretty different, though the mi4 format remains, right. |
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04:15:14 | krazykit | this information should already be in the thread in the New Ports forum |
04:15:38 | Absinthe | Thanks- Ill check it out |
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04:29:10 | J3TC- | Does the rockbox cabbie theme included in the normal build uses viewports/viewports list? |
04:29:30 | psycho_maniac | no |
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04:30:08 | ED209 | hi |
04:30:22 | ED209 | are there any h300 users/coders here at the moment? |
04:30:44 | J3TC- | Hrmm..ok. |
04:31:18 | J3TC- | I was just wondering since the themes that uses viewports/viewports list seems to freeze when you try to shut down the player (in this case the X5) |
04:32:10 | psycho_maniac | I thought viewports werent comitted yet? :S |
04:33:29 | ddalton | hey you guys know rbutil is completely inaccessible on linux? even orca says so I can not even use flat review or activate menus... |
04:33:34 | ED209 | I'm wondering if there can be a realtime pitch shifter using the mic or line in, and have it playback in realtime |
04:33:37 | ddalton | its because its in qt... |
04:33:41 | ED209 | how difficult woudl that be |
04:34:01 | ddalton | anyone know where I can get the command line one from? |
04:34:54 | Absinthe | doesnt kde use qt |
04:35:29 | ddalton | dunno kde isn't accessible. |
04:35:34 | ddalton | only gnome is. |
04:35:41 | Absinthe | Accessible? |
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04:36:05 | Llorean | He means "usable by the blind" in this specific instance. |
04:36:22 | J3TC- | psycho_maniac: No it's not ;) |
04:36:55 | J3TC- | I need to find another theme that uses viewports/viewports list |
04:36:57 | Absinthe | Ok |
04:37:29 | ddalton | did anyone actually test with orca? |
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04:39:38 | speeddemon8803 | How exactly do i put rockbox on my ipod nano 1st gen? i tried...and i almost succeded into turning it into a paperweight, I had to reinstall my os to get it to mount it. |
04:41:00 | Llorean | At what step in the manual did you encounter that problem? |
04:42:11 | ED209 | I'm wondering how difficult it would be to make a realtime pitch shifter, that takes a signal from the line in and pitch shifts it, then sends it out the headphones... for an iriver h300 |
04:42:29 | speeddemon8803 | i basically grabbed rockbox, I copied all the files to the ipod itself....deleted the original ipod firmware (but i had it backed up) |
04:42:50 | speeddemon8803 | i thought it would be as simple as copy/paste....not so |
04:43:10 | psycho_maniac | wow you really should of read the manual first. |
04:43:46 | Llorean | ED209: You already asked that. |
04:43:53 | speeddemon8803 | I skimmed the manual! |
04:44:08 | Llorean | speeddemon8803: READ the manual. How did you even delete the original firmware, it's in a hidden inaccessible partition. |
04:44:24 | ED209 | nobody answered my question so I thought I'd elaborate |
04:44:58 | speeddemon8803 | when i open up my ipod in linux..what are the files and folders that i see? |
04:44:59 | Llorean | ED209: "Elaborate" generally means add more information. Perhaps you meant reiterate? |
04:45:03 | speeddemon8803 | is that the firmware? |
04:45:06 | Llorean | speeddemon8803: No. |
04:45:33 | Llorean | speeddemon8803: Just either files you've copied to it, settings, or crud that will be recreated each time you use the original firmware. |
04:45:52 | speeddemon8803 | ok...so..i actually didnt do anything "major" |
04:45:53 | speeddemon8803 | phew |
04:45:58 | ED209 | I meant elaborate, I added one extra "spec" |
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04:46:49 | ED209 | no offense but am I gonna be getting pedantic comments the whole time in this channel? or are there coders here who might have some ideas? |
04:47:10 | Llorean | ED209: What extra did you add? You'd already told us you were interested in it for the H300. |
04:48:27 | speeddemon8803 | um...ok, aparently i didnt go all the way through the steps...because when i try to download ipodpatcher...i got to this page with a lot of garbled junk |
04:48:30 | Llorean | Anyway, realtime pitchshifting is probably possible if you want to work on it. |
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04:48:48 | speeddemon8803 | it doesnt "download" anything..just sends me to a page that looks white with a lot of junk on it.. |
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04:48:52 | Llorean | speeddemon8803: Right click and choose to save it, rather than clicking on it. Your browser is being weird. |
04:49:07 | speeddemon8803 | im using ubuntu...might be my problem |
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04:50:06 | Absinthe | does it say "index of"? |
04:50:27 | speeddemon8803 | talking to me? |
04:50:31 | Absinthe | yes |
04:50:40 | speeddemon8803 | nope |
04:51:02 | speeddemon8803 | it looks almost like..well...when you open up an executable file as a text file |
04:51:12 | Llorean | It's because you have opened an executable as a text file. |
04:51:15 | Llorean | I already told you how to solve it. |
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04:51:20 | speeddemon8803 | dude |
04:51:26 | speeddemon8803 | its NOT that simple |
04:51:37 | speeddemon8803 | ubuntu does not have that kind of option |
04:52:19 | krazykit | yes it does. |
04:52:26 | Absinthe | what browser? |
04:52:27 | speeddemon8803 | really? where? |
04:52:33 | speeddemon8803 | mozilla..firefox |
04:52:40 | krazykit | right click on the link, click "save link as..." |
04:52:43 | scorche | "Save Page As... |
04:52:44 | psycho_maniac | right click save link as |
04:52:50 | scorche | either way |
04:54:37 | speeddemon8803 | ok, im an idiot...im sorry |
04:54:39 | speeddemon8803 | heh |
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04:55:01 | speeddemon8803 | have a good one guys, sorry for the trouble :) |
04:55:24 | speeddemon8803 | it definately executed like intended that way |
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04:57:37 | speeddemon8803 | suhweet..bootloader installed successfully |
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05:06:13 | speeddemon8803 | hmmm |
05:06:32 | speeddemon8803 | ok..brb |
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05:11:41 | psycho_maniac | installing rockbox on my 2nd gigabeat was much easier. all i did was switch the hard drives. haha |
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05:22:40 | Absinthe | \quit |
05:22:49 | Absinthe | wow.. |
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05:32:31 | J3TC- | Hrmm |
05:32:56 | J3TC- | It seems if there is too much viewport code, it freezes while shutting down |
05:35:41 | Llorean | J3TC-: "too much" isn't a terribly objective term. Done much testing to quantify? |
05:36:55 | J3TC- | Well, I'm not the one testing. Hweb21 does a lot of x5 themes and he uses my builds. We noticed that 2 of out 3 of his themes freezes while shutting down. |
05:37:28 | J3TC- | I don't know anything about wps coding so I can't say much but that's what he commented. He did say he'll do more testing tomorrow |
05:37:49 | Llorean | So what you're saying is "I haven't tested it with only the one viewports patch"? |
05:37:53 | J3TC- | I also used the viewports theme in the wiki and those didn't give me the freezing shutdown behavior |
05:38:48 | J3TC- | Well, it's tested using viewports, viewports list and multifont. One of them doesn't used the viewports list code but still gave the same freezing shutdown. |
05:38:58 | Llorean | But it could be multifont. |
05:38:59 | J3TC- | So the two patches responsible is multifonts and viewports |
05:39:00 | Llorean | Please test without it. |
05:39:16 | J3TC- | I will but more than likely it'd be viewports so just saying |
05:39:23 | Llorean | And once you've verified which patch causes the problem, report the issue and what needs to be known to reproduce it in the task for that patch |
05:39:45 | J3TC- | I think it's probably too much being for the buffer? |
05:40:35 | Llorean | If there's too much data for the WPS buffer, then you simply don't get all the images in the WPS. |
05:40:49 | Llorean | Unless multifont is abusing the buffer somehow. |
05:40:58 | Llorean | But please, just do some testing, and report it on the task |
05:40:58 | J3TC- | Hrmm, I see |
05:41:14 | Llorean | Whoever maintains the patch may not be around ,and anyone new interested in working on it may not see it here |
05:41:36 | J3TC- | Of course, I'm just saying what's happening right now to find out more about it |
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05:42:13 | goffa | so.... |
05:42:21 | goffa | how's the new lcd code for the gigabeat? |
05:42:26 | goffa | worth the upgrade? |
05:43:14 | Llorean | goffa: Why *not* upgrade? |
05:43:28 | goffa | laziness :) |
05:43:34 | Llorean | You'd be done by now. |
05:43:37 | Llorean | two or three times over |
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05:50:38 | Davide-NYC | I have a question for any developer that is reading this. If I modify a function in firmware/drivers/ata.c, make, and finally make zip. Have I done anything to the bootloader? |
05:51:05 | JdGordon|zzz | yes |
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05:52:09 | Davide-NYC | but isn;t the bootloader separate from the contents ot the .rockbox directory? |
05:52:42 | JdGordon|zzz | oh wait... yeah you didnt touch the bl |
05:53:24 | Davide-NYC | so there is no serious danger in deleting the .rockbox dir on my player and then unzipping this modified build to it. |
05:53:39 | Davide-NYC | it would be just like an updated build, but possibley broken (by me) |
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06:04:23 | Davide-NYC | My H1x0-CF experiment fails a second night in a row. :( |
06:05:24 | JdGordon | well duh! :p |
06:05:39 | JdGordon | if your getting an ata error its from the bootloader not beign able to read the CF card |
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06:19:10 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: There are maybe a dozen folks that are very stoked about this mod. (myself included) There is some possible bad info floating around forums. According to Siar (from the forums) he had resolved the problem simply by makeing the zip file and extracting the .rockbox folder. |
06:19:27 | Davide-NYC | It didn;t make sense to me but he reported success so I tried it. |
06:19:36 | Davide-NYC | See here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12330.msg97850#msg97850 |
06:20:08 | Davide-NYC | BigBambi: ping |
06:20:40 | psycho_maniac | may i ask why you want a cf card in your player? |
06:21:16 | Davide-NYC | Two reasons: No spin up noise during recording and no buffer under-runs of shaken. |
06:21:21 | Davide-NYC | *if |
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06:21:43 | Davide-NYC | Plus it'll be lighter and more reliable. |
06:21:47 | Davide-NYC | Four reasons |
06:21:50 | Davide-NYC | :) |
06:26:18 | JdGordon | CF in the irivers would make them amazing |
06:29:03 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that the fix in the forum thread isn't a "fix" so much as a hack anyway |
06:29:39 | Davide-NYC | I think there is a piece missing to some of these success stories. |
06:30:57 | Davide-NYC | The question is, when using a particular CF card, whether the bootloader loads and *then* rockbox fails, which is solved by the ata.c sleep hack, or whether the bootloader fails with an ATA error. (as in my case) |
06:31:57 | Davide-NYC | because the ata.c hack doesn;t touch the bootloader. Which to me means that the failure happened after the bootloader stage. |
06:32:24 | Davide-NYC | (in those instances where the ata.c hack actually produces a successful result) |
06:34:06 | Llorean | I don't see how the bootloader can work without an ata driver. |
06:34:46 | Davide-NYC | The bootloader isn't being compiled in this instance. So the ata driver is there as it always is. |
06:35:42 | Llorean | But as it is, if I recall it was said that we aren't doing timing properly |
06:35:55 | Llorean | A real fix would require a bootloader change, it may be more or less chance that it's getting past it. |
06:36:38 | Davide-NYC | By more or less chance you mean brand and model of CF card, right? |
06:36:58 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: But what confused me was that you said "the changes don't touch the bootloader." If They do, but you didn't install a modified one, that's different. |
06:37:08 | psycho_maniac | would be nice if it was just a bootloader change. then could there be a chance that bootloader would be hosted on the rockbox wiki page? |
06:37:34 | Davide-NYC | Is this the timing you speak of? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmed_input/output |
06:37:55 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: I honestly don't know, I wasn't paying much attention and someone else was talking about it. |
06:38:04 | Llorean | I think amiconn |
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06:39:07 | J3TC- | Llorean: You maybe right |
06:39:35 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: why is it that certain CF card seem to work with RB on an iRiver H1x0 and other's do not? Is there a way to correct this across all targets for most (if not all) CF cards? |
06:39:43 | J3TC- | I just compiled three builds. First was viewports..the said theme shut down just fine then the 2nd build with viewports list. Again that worked |
06:40:01 | J3TC- | And using the multifont along with those 2, it froze up while shutting down |
06:40:34 | J3TC- | I would apply just the multifont but it's dependent on both of them I think. |
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07:31:43 | amiconn | Llorean: Someone with a nano should dump the ata identify block. I asked for that multiple times already....... |
07:34:02 | scorche | amiconn: what does one need to do? |
07:36:12 | * | amiconn just found a waste of ram in the ata driver.... |
07:36:50 | amiconn | The identify info is one sector, but the array is defined as static unsigned short identify_info[SECTOR_SIZE]; |
07:36:55 | amiconn | That's 2 sectors.... |
07:40:31 | amiconn | scorche: It would need a simple function that dumps said array (defined in ata.c) to disk, and then posting that binary dump file somewhere |
07:41:09 | amiconn | It can't be done in ata_init() as at this point the fat driver is not yet initialised, and the array is static, so it requires a bit of fiddling |
07:41:38 | amiconn | Maybe I should provide a patch... |
07:43:34 | scorche | that probably would be quickest |
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07:44:28 | amiconn | What I want to check is whether the nano's flash disk reports that it does not support the power management feature set |
07:44:41 | amiconn | That would explain why sending it the sleep command makes it freeze |
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07:45:12 | amiconn | And it might be the same problem when using CF cards |
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07:45:44 | amiconn | Our ata driver would have to learn to check for that feature, and only use it if present -> no more special hack for nano or CF cards necessary |
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07:58:25 | amiconn | Hmm, there already is a function for accessing the idenitify info from outside ata.c. That makes dumping it simple... |
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08:07:56 | scorche | amiconn: sorry, but i need to go to bed now...if no one has dumped the info for you by the same time tomorrow, i will |
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08:24:47 | Buschel | amiconn: you there? |
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08:28:56 | * | GodEater wonders if he should wade into the XML settings argument further with a "and I just loathe XML on principle, I've yet to see a decent argument for it's use" sort of statement |
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08:35:22 | Llorean | I think having RBUtil as a quick way for a novice user to create presets like "Car" "Audiobook" "Home Stereo" and others isn't a bad idea. |
08:35:59 | Llorean | Whether XML is necessary, I dunno. I could see an XML file being generated with builds, that RBUtil can parse to see what are valid settings for that build, but that's about it. And it doesn't have to be XML. |
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08:36:40 | Llorean | Setting up a variety of presets in Rockbox, and especially the bit where you trim out all the unneeded settings, is a hassle if you're trying to do it just on the device, and still not entirely annoyance free even with a PC. |
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08:39:41 | Llorean | Even "RB as an app" would suffer from the current hassle unless a much better settings input method was designed for the PC-app version of it. |
08:41:34 | Llorean | Nor would it natively have a way to know the valid range for hardware dependent settings. |
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08:44:06 | GodEater | I still fail to see the necessity for XML as a parser |
08:44:15 | GodEater | presumably Rockbox already has code to parse it's existing format |
08:44:18 | GodEater | why not use that ? |
08:44:32 | Llorean | I don't see the need to use XML as a parser. |
08:45:02 | GodEater | I don't see the need to use it ever anywhere :) |
08:45:22 | Bagder | haha |
08:45:48 | Llorean | We just need something like features.txt but describing the settings menu, and valid values for each setting, to be included with builds so that RButil can be pointed at a device with Rockbox installed, and know what the settings are named, and their ranges. It has no need to know what they actually to, or have anything complex, to create a valid .cfg file |
08:47:05 | * | amiconn doesn't see the need for that, but then he has no use for rbutil in general either |
08:47:58 | GodEater | I wouldn't use it either, but I can see it might be popular amongst a proportion of our end users |
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08:51:49 | amiconn | GodEater: Regarding the existing format - of course rockbox can parse that, but it contains no info about allowed values/ranges |
08:53:16 | amiconn | It used to contain that (as comments) before the settings were converted to the current table-driven logic |
08:53:41 | GodEater | and where are the allowed values held currently then ? |
08:54:33 | amiconn | In the settings tables in the code |
08:54:54 | GodEater | so again, already existing code.... |
08:54:57 | amiconn | What I mean is that with the old settings code, the written .cfg files also contained that info |
08:55:15 | amiconn | (for enum settings at least) |
08:55:40 | GodEater | so it's in a different place now - but it's not unavailable to rbutil |
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09:01:43 | JdGordon | I've just gone XML because there are a heap of qt parsers for it, so its easy to get going |
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09:07:12 | Llorean | LinusN: The double posting is an iffy issue. I'm really not entirely happy with the current situation (and it's not a rule I wrote) but as far as I can see, the reasoning behind the way it is is pretty sound. I've tried to explain it in the thread as best I can. |
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09:18:32 | JdGordon | GodEater: the existing format is macros and C, so no.. its gcc which does it atm. I'm using a plugin to dump that to text, and yes it doesnt have to be xml.. but thats how it is untill someone comes up with a better format |
09:19:09 | GodEater | JdGordon: ah ok - that makes things much clearer - thanks :) |
09:20:22 | * | petur feels it is pointless and the energy should be directed at fixing bugs |
09:20:45 | * | Bagder stands in petur's corner |
09:21:28 | * | GodEater joins the gang too |
09:21:46 | * | Bagder hands out coffee |
09:21:56 | GodEater | cool - I'd just run out ;) |
09:22:03 | petur | tea please (for me) |
09:22:13 | LinusN | i think that feature goes into the "fluff" category, but i do think XML looks appropriate in this case |
09:22:30 | GodEater | heathen |
09:22:40 | * | LinusN hides |
09:23:35 | GodEater | you're just lucky I've mislaid my pitchfork and store of torches... |
09:24:17 | LinusN | i hid it. muhahahaaaaa! |
09:24:33 | petur | Bagder: I have not followed much of the discussion about the iriver+CF giving ata -80, any thoughts? It was set_features(), right? Maybe the PIO mode setting? |
09:24:54 | LinusN | petur: probably |
09:25:03 | Bagder | petur: I'm quite sure the -80 error is set_features() returning -20 |
09:25:23 | LinusN | i have ordered a transcend card to try myself |
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09:25:34 | * | JdGordon wonders how adding this would be more fluff than say the downloading the doom wads in rbutil |
09:25:57 | Bagder | JdGordon: that's just downloading a single stupid URL |
09:26:13 | JdGordon | ... and even if it is... its rbutil so why cant it have some extra fluff? |
09:26:14 | Bagder | that's fluff too, but less fluff |
09:26:19 | * | petur has an A-DATA card giving the same result. The other two cards just give a Div0 |
09:26:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: because downloading doom wads don't reguire syncing to a specific version of rockbox |
09:26:56 | LinusN | and don't require adding a new plugin or complicating the build system |
09:26:57 | Bagder | JdGordon: I'm already stated my reasoning, I don't think I need to repeat that here |
09:27:10 | JdGordon | it doesnt force a specific version... it suggests a minimum version.. and might still work if the versions dont match anyway |
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09:27:31 | LinusN | i understand that |
09:27:45 | LinusN | how do you intend to create the xml file? |
09:27:47 | * | JdGordon also said tha the plugin is a once off thing and the xml would be mostly static anyway |
09:27:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: I haven't looked at your method. how does it deal with target-specific settings? |
09:27:55 | Llorean | Like the volume range differences. |
09:28:10 | JdGordon | it doesnt yet because I dont know how it should.. thats why i put the email out |
09:28:36 | LinusN | i think the xml should be created by the build process and be included in the rockbox zip file |
09:28:46 | LinusN | like the language support files |
09:28:46 | Llorean | it seems to me that the build system should generate a file describing all the setting and their ranges, and RButil should grab that file from the build on the target (like the rbinfo file) rather than downloading it. |
09:28:54 | Bagder | indeed |
09:28:56 | Llorean | Uhm, yeah, what LinusN said. :)' |
09:29:00 | LinusN | :-) |
09:29:08 | Bagder | to make it follow the version you got |
09:29:23 | JdGordon | by all means, create the script.. I suck at perl/scripting so thats beyond me |
09:29:54 | JdGordon | but i'm saying thats a waste because 1) we usually say people shold be runing the svn version anwyay, and 2) it will be static |
09:30:05 | JdGordon | when was the last time settings_list.c was changed? |
09:30:26 | Bagder | 1) the svn version is downloaded as a zip and it would then contain the xml |
09:30:35 | petur | JdGordon: tomorrow |
09:30:49 | LinusN | petur has a time machine? |
09:31:27 | petur | LinusN: easy to predict, the moment somebody says it hasn't been done in ages, the next day it happens |
09:31:29 | JdGordon | Bagder: well the .xml would be in the source so thats not a problem |
09:31:38 | LinusN | petur: :-) |
09:31:56 | Bagder | it would be in the source? |
09:32:00 | LinusN | hardly |
09:32:11 | Bagder | I don't see how that would be any good |
09:35:16 | LinusN | Bagder: it depends on if the xml is generated from settings_list.c or the opposite |
09:35:22 | Bagder | yes |
09:35:31 | Bagder | but I will be scared the day we use xml in the rockbox code |
09:35:44 | LinusN | it could make sense to generate settings_list.c from the xml file |
09:36:01 | LinusN | in this case xml might make sense |
09:36:10 | LinusN | can't believe i said that :-) |
09:36:18 | Bagder | well, perhaps compared to the current macro mania... :-) |
09:36:43 | Bagder | but I would rather avoid xml |
09:37:02 | * | pondlife still doesn't really know why you intend to create the xml file... |
09:37:07 | * | GodEater joins Badger in the corner again |
09:37:14 | Bagder | LinusN: trust me to be using that against you in the future ;-) |
09:37:14 | * | Llorean just hides in general |
09:37:27 | pondlife | Why not fix bookmarking instead of mucking about with this? |
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09:37:47 | * | Bagder pulls pondlife into the corner and hands him a cup |
09:37:52 | pondlife | Ah, thanks |
09:38:04 | LinusN | pondlife: are you claiming "rubbish"? :-) |
09:38:04 | pondlife | Bagder: Can I have some liquid in this cup, please |
09:38:14 | Bagder | you have to earn it first! |
09:38:18 | pondlife | LinusN: I guess I am! |
09:38:20 | Bagder | :-P |
09:38:33 | LinusN | speaking of bookmarking, what is really the deal? |
09:38:39 | pondlife | It's the resume code |
09:38:46 | LinusN | it fails to seek? |
09:38:49 | pondlife | Yes |
09:38:55 | LinusN | can it be repeated in the sim? |
09:38:58 | pondlife | Yes |
09:39:11 | GodEater | can it be fixed ? :) |
09:39:16 | pondlife | Of course! |
09:39:32 | pondlife | The playback.c interfaces still use the "codec" position for resume, I think. |
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09:39:46 | pondlife | It should be the "WPS" position/offset |
09:40:04 | * | petur votes for a tracker cleanup week to get JdGordon's head off xml (1027 entries currently!) |
09:40:35 | pondlife | That's a bit of a gut feeling, I've not had time to track it through yet. |
09:41:49 | * | JdGordon really cant see what the fuss is all about.. it it had any connection to the main binary then I wouldnt care.. but there is none |
09:42:14 | petur | yet |
09:42:18 | Bagder | JdGordon: all code that goes into rockbox has association with the main binary |
09:42:29 | pondlife | No fuss, you do it if you want. Personally it smells like you'd end up having to sync two settings structures and add a dependency... |
09:42:50 | pondlife | But there are far more pressing problems to be solved. |
09:43:38 | JdGordon | Bagder: rbutil/ has no bearing what so ever on the binary |
09:43:43 | * | pondlife just has a general aversion to any new features until all the bugs have been fixed... |
09:44:03 | Bagder | JdGordon: of course not, but you're talking about doing things in the rockbox end as well |
09:44:04 | pondlife | ...but not enough time to help |
09:44:16 | JdGordon | Bagder: no im not... |
09:44:33 | JdGordon | its the others that want to add docs into the bin/plugins |
09:44:36 | Bagder | ok sorry, then I misunderstood |
09:44:36 | JdGordon | im against that |
09:45:29 | pondlife | Do we have a dedicated plugin buffer? |
09:45:38 | pondlife | i.e. a bit of memory only used for plugins |
09:45:45 | JdGordon | yes... |
09:47:13 | pondlife | OK, how about we update the implementation of the plugin load/unload so that the last plugin can remain loaded and be reused without disk spinup? Only usable for plugins that tell us that they don't assume memory has been zeroed, of course. |
09:47:29 | JdGordon | because that was rejected already |
09:47:33 | pondlife | Why? |
09:47:36 | * | JdGordon did that patch and had it working |
09:47:37 | Llorean | pondlife: Isn't that a new feature, rather than a bug fix? :-P |
09:47:42 | pondlife | Yes |
09:47:54 | pondlife | But JdGordon wants to work on a new feature |
09:48:49 | pondlife | It seems that would be a sensible precursor to a settings plugin. The settings could live in there all the time unless the user selected another plugin. |
09:49:21 | pondlife | We could load it at startup so there would be no extra spinup first time. |
09:49:46 | pondlife | That should free up a nice bit of audio buffer |
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09:49:55 | JdGordon | noone like the idea of moving settings to a plugin |
09:50:03 | pondlife | I did |
09:50:14 | JdGordon | ok, your alone there... |
09:50:15 | pondlife | Only because of the spinup requirement, AFAIK |
09:50:37 | JdGordon | not only... but thats a big issue |
09:50:40 | pondlife | If we don't unload a plugin until we need the space then that largely goes away |
09:50:47 | pondlife | Hence "precursor" |
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09:51:35 | DA-AtWork | Hello |
09:51:37 | LinusN | the only platform that this would make a difference would be the old archos |
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09:51:49 | DA-AtWork | I'm getting crashes on Rockbox occasionally |
09:51:54 | DA-AtWork | Running it on a Gigabeat F |
09:52:07 | pondlife | LinusN: Why? Does that have a much smaller plugin buffer? |
09:52:10 | DA-AtWork | When I switch between different FLAC tracks, occasionally it crashes and outputs "Divide by zero at 0005F93C" |
09:52:16 | DA-AtWork | What causes that? |
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09:52:23 | LinusN | pondlife: it has little memory |
09:52:50 | LinusN | pondlife: how much audio buffer do you think we could gain by moving the settings to a plugin? |
09:53:05 | * | JdGordon guesses a fair bit actually |
09:53:09 | pondlife | Not sure, that's the killer questionm |
09:53:18 | DA-AtWork | Anyone? :) |
09:53:20 | pondlife | I guess I could knock up a build with no settings |
09:53:21 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: i dunno, does it matter what tracks you play? |
09:53:26 | DA-AtWork | No |
09:53:30 | DA-AtWork | it happens randomly |
09:53:32 | JdGordon | relativly easu to find out if your really interested |
09:53:36 | LinusN | how much is a "fair bit"? |
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09:54:00 | JdGordon | assuming gcc doesnt link unused code you cold just comment out the settings part of the menu and recompile |
09:54:10 | DA-AtWork | I go into the database and switch to a different song when already playing a FLAC song, and it just freezes with that output... |
09:54:16 | JdGordon | more than a few kb |
09:54:19 | LinusN | let's say that you gain 100Kbytes, would that really be measurable on a 32MB target? |
09:54:43 | pondlife | 100K green delta would be nice, no? |
09:55:02 | JdGordon | if you want rombox back it is |
09:55:12 | JdGordon | otherwise its not worht the effort |
09:55:24 | pondlife | And on an Archos it would be even more noticable. |
09:55:26 | DA-AtWork | My current revision is r16299-080213 |
09:55:29 | LinusN | i don't really care about rombox |
09:55:46 | Bagder | rombox is a lost cause |
09:55:53 | pondlife | I just like the idea of the core being small and dedicated to crashless audio playback :) |
09:55:59 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: it only happens with the database? |
09:56:19 | JdGordon | pondlife: rebuilding the playback system would do a better job of that |
09:56:36 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: So far |
09:56:48 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: I haven't tried using it with the file browser |
09:56:59 | LinusN | i think offloading core stuff to plugins is a bad idea in general |
09:57:11 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: it would help to know |
09:57:14 | * | JdGordon enjoys being on the majority side for a change |
09:57:18 | pondlife | hehe |
09:57:23 | pondlife | My turn |
09:57:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: enjoy it while it lasts :-) |
09:57:34 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: I can try, but like I said, this happens randomly, so it might happen instantly or not at all |
09:57:38 | * | pondlife mentions XML again... ;p |
09:57:39 | JdGordon | :) |
09:58:07 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: And so far, only with FLAC, I don't use MP3s much so I don't know if it afflicts them too |
09:58:11 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: i see, but we really need to find a way to trigger the problem, or we can't fix it |
09:58:20 | * | JdGordon wishes he had some idea how a dsp/software mixer needs to work to put some of jhMikeS's ideas into code |
09:58:20 | pondlife | JdGordon: If you have spare time, seriously consider getting into playback.c. We always need SWCODEC playback gurus. |
09:58:41 | pondlife | Or pcmbuf if you prefer |
09:59:02 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: I know... |
09:59:11 | DA-AtWork | Does that output tell you anything? It's just obscure to me |
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10:00:23 | Slasheri | rewriting the pcmbuf side would be a good place to start. and fixing that crossfade thas has became unusable because it crashes the system |
10:01:12 | DA-AtWork | Ok, I just switched track like 15 times using the file browser, and it's still running |
10:02:00 | Slasheri | DA-AtWork: does it happen for other filetypes than flac too? |
10:02:41 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: unfortunately, the error message is of little use, all it says is that it crashed in the __udivdi3 routine, but not which function that called it |
10:02:59 | LinusN | maybe we should start dumping a call stack in the panic screen |
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10:03:51 | JdGordon|zzz | gnite |
10:04:24 | DA-AtWork | Slasheri: I haven't tried |
10:04:28 | DA-AtWork | LinusN: Okay... |
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10:04:33 | DA-AtWork | Well, I don't know what to do, then :/ |
10:05:09 | Llorean | LinusN: more info on a panic is definitely a good idea |
10:05:33 | GodEater | yeah, that would be useful |
10:05:41 | pondlife | A call stack would be great |
10:05:56 | DA-AtWork | I wish rockbox had a dmesg-like app. |
10:06:18 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: what would you expect that to show you ? |
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10:06:47 | pondlife | Slasheri: I use crossfade all the time and don't experience crashes on H300. Is that a pcmbuf platform-specific issue? |
10:07:11 | DA-AtWork | GodEater: What dmesg shows :P |
10:07:44 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: but dmesg tends to list drivers loaded and whatknot |
10:07:52 | GodEater | we don't load drivers (at least, not dynamically) |
10:08:07 | DA-AtWork | Okay |
10:08:16 | DA-AtWork | I don't know much about how rockbox works internally |
10:08:32 | Slasheri | pondlife: interesting.. maybe i should try again |
10:08:38 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: the code's there if you want to learn more :) |
10:08:46 | Slasheri | pondlife: it has been very unstable on h140 at least |
10:08:47 | pondlife | I use a short crossfade, maybe it's length dependent |
10:09:01 | Slasheri | i have something like 4s crossfade |
10:09:16 | pondlife | 0/0/1/1 here |
10:09:23 | pondlife | i.e no fade-in |
10:09:36 | DA-AtWork | GodEater: But I don't know how to program, so... :P |
10:10:14 | GodEater | if I had a penny for every time someone said that to me |
10:10:25 | pondlife | Slasheri: Also, only on track skip + shuffle, although I do run shuffled quite a bit |
10:11:02 | pondlife | Apart from the bookmark and resume problems, I'm pretty happy with the current H300 build |
10:11:38 | DA-AtWork | GodEater: Hehe, well, I want to learn to... :P |
10:11:50 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: no time like the present |
10:11:56 | pondlife | DA-AtWork: Now's your chance! |
10:12:32 | * | GodEater welcomes the latest Rockbox hacker to the fold |
10:12:57 | DA-AtWork | haha, dudes, I've got a full time job, and am spending much of my free time exercising to get a driver's license |
10:13:08 | DA-AtWork | When I get more spare time to devote to it, sure, why not? :P |
10:13:17 | Bagder | DA-AtWork: sleep less! |
10:13:27 | Bagder | :-) |
10:13:49 | DA-AtWork | I already barelly get 6hrs of sleep every night :p |
10:13:57 | pondlife | Sounds familiar |
10:14:01 | GodEater | a fulltime job is no excuse at all |
10:14:13 | GodEater | I have one of those too - I'm even sitting at my desk already |
10:14:13 | DA-AtWork | The coffee machine here at the office get scared when I walk in the door |
10:14:27 | pondlife | You'll need a cup then.. |
10:19:22 | DA-AtWork | So, there's nothing to do about this error? |
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10:19:47 | pondlife | DA-AtWork: The best thing you could do is to work out a recipe that makes it fail reliably |
10:19:53 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: not until you can reproduce it reliably |
10:20:01 | pondlife | i.e. work out what the "random" factor is |
10:20:08 | GodEater | or can implement a callstack report in our panic screen ;) |
10:20:17 | DA-AtWork | Haha, not sure I'm able to do either |
10:20:21 | pondlife | Is it when the disk spins up to buffer? |
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10:20:33 | DA-AtWork | No, it's already playing a song |
10:20:41 | DA-AtWork | I just switch to a different song |
10:21:02 | DA-AtWork | Also, battery life sucks when using FLAC, but that's expectable, I suppose. :P |
10:21:02 | pondlife | I mean, is it when you skip from track 9 to 10 (and tracks 1-9 were buffered in memory, but 10 was not) |
10:21:30 | DA-AtWork | No, I open all tracks from a single artist and just select randomly among albums |
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10:21:45 | DA-AtWork | Song 3 from album 4, song 16 from album 5 |
10:21:46 | DA-AtWork | etc... |
10:22:04 | pondlife | OK, so it's probably having to buffer each time |
10:22:06 | GodEater | pondlife: given the use case, I suspect none of the tunes he's selecting are buffered |
10:22:45 | GodEater | also - if they're all flac, then there's probably never more than one or two on the buffer in any case |
10:23:35 | pondlife | DA-AtWork: Another useful thing you can do is set up a build environment, then work out which version first suffered the problem. This is only really practical if you can guarantee a crash within a certain number of skips though. |
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10:26:36 | DA-AtWork | pondlife: I can't guarantee anything... it happened a couple of times randomly, I haven't been able to reproduce it intentionally |
10:27:11 | pondlife | Sadly that's often the case... makes it hard to go back to a particular version and quickly know if you still have the problem :/ |
10:27:42 | DA-AtWork | I'm still using that revision |
10:27:53 | DA-AtWork | r16299-080213 |
10:28:30 | pondlife | I guess you could try an older one and use it for a few days.. that would probably give an idea if it's better or not? |
10:28:42 | DA-AtWork | I haven't had this problem until today |
10:28:50 | DA-AtWork | and I've used FLAC music for some time |
10:29:06 | DA-AtWork | I update my rockbox almost daily |
10:29:14 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
10:29:43 | pondlife | I suggest you go back to yesterday's build again for a while and see what happens |
10:30:16 | DA-AtWork | Isn't yesterday's build what I'm using now? |
10:30:20 | DA-AtWork | r16299-080213 |
10:30:27 | pondlife | I mean the previous day's |
10:30:48 | * | pondlife apologises for the ' |
10:31:04 | DA-AtWork | Ok... how do I obtain that? I always use rbutilqt to upgrade |
10:31:34 | pondlife | Go to http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml, select your device and download a zip |
10:31:46 | pondlife | Then unzip it onto the root of your device |
10:32:07 | pondlife | Select the "old" link and a particular date |
10:32:53 | DA-AtWork | ok |
10:33:19 | pondlife | Then, when you have an idea at which point the crashing began, we can look at the next day's changelog |
10:33:33 | DA-AtWork | Ok |
10:33:42 | DA-AtWork | But I'm not going to be able to do this now, since I'm at work |
10:33:45 | pondlife | No rush |
10:33:51 | pondlife | Well, you have 30 days or so! |
10:34:55 | DA-AtWork | Why that number? |
10:35:26 | pondlife | The last 30 days daily builds are available. If you want older ones you have to build your own (which is pretty easy). |
10:36:08 | linuxstb | Unless they've "fixed" it, many of the download mirrors even have older builds than that. |
10:36:31 | Bagder | I think "they" fixed it by now |
10:36:56 | DA-AtWork | ok |
10:37:04 | linuxstb | Not all - I've just seen a server with builds going back to May 2007... |
10:37:10 | Bagder | ah ok |
10:37:26 | Bagder | then it was more than one server before... as I know one who fixed it |
10:37:36 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm pretty sure it was all of them. |
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10:42:26 | DA-AtWork | BTW, is there anything I can do to improve battery life? |
10:42:36 | pondlife | Skip less |
10:42:51 | pondlife | Use a more compact format |
10:43:15 | pondlife | Basically try to avoid use of the hard disk |
10:43:21 | DA-AtWork | I know that FLAC uses a lot, but even for the MP3s I have, battery life is rather short compared to my old MP3 player |
10:43:27 | DA-AtWork | What do you mean skip less? |
10:44:34 | pondlife | Let it play from a playlist or album, so it knows which tracks to buffer. When you select random tracks it has to spin up the hard disk each time. |
10:45:23 | pondlife | If you play an album (or a playlist) it will buffer as much as it can then spin down (or even power down) the disk |
10:46:02 | DA-AtWork | I see |
10:46:04 | linuxstb | DA-AtWork: FLAC uses less battery than MP3 (in my tests on an ipod Color) |
10:46:12 | pondlife | If that's using MP3s on a shortish album it might read the whole lot in one read. |
10:46:19 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: I have the exact opposite experience |
10:46:25 | DA-AtWork | FLAC drains my battery much faster |
10:46:32 | DA-AtWork | I've got a Gigabeat F20 |
10:46:35 | pondlife | That's probably your usage pattern |
10:46:58 | pondlife | FLAC is cheap to decode, but the Gigabeat has a powerful CPU |
10:47:00 | linuxstb | Have you done a proper runtime test? i.e. fully charge your F20, then play an album on repeat (do nothing else) and measure the runtime? |
10:47:05 | DA-AtWork | Ogg Vorbis provides me with by far the best battery life, for some reason |
10:47:13 | linuxstb | But yes, it may well be different on the gigabeat. |
10:47:16 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: No |
10:47:51 | pondlife | If Rockbox knows what you are going to play, it will use less battery. |
10:47:59 | pondlife | Sadly, it's not (yet) psychic |
10:48:12 | DA-AtWork | Okay |
10:48:23 | DA-AtWork | Well, the database more or less tells it what it's gonna play, no? |
10:48:43 | pondlife | Yes, but when you make a new selection, it starts anew |
10:48:48 | linuxstb | Do you skip often? |
10:48:50 | DA-AtWork | Aha, I see |
10:48:57 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: yes |
10:49:17 | DA-AtWork | Strange, the monitor turns on every time it switches to a different song |
10:49:19 | linuxstb | That's probably the reason than - Rockbox can probably buffer about 8 MP3s in RAM, but only 1 flac. |
10:49:35 | DA-AtWork | I see |
10:49:42 | pondlife | DA-AtWork: That's the "Caption Backlight" option, you should probably turn that off |
10:49:44 | linuxstb | So every skip with FLAC requires a disk spinup and the buffer to be completely refilled. |
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10:49:58 | DA-AtWork | pondlife: Ok, where is it in the configuration menu? |
10:50:35 | pondlife | Under General Settings > Display somewhere |
10:50:41 | pondlife | brb |
10:51:24 | DA-AtWork | Found it, thanks |
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10:54:41 | pondlife | Other things you can do to save battery: don't use EQ/crossfeed/peakmeters/album art. Keep the backlight on time as short as you can. |
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10:54:58 | * | pondlife wonders if FLAC + AA works |
10:55:21 | DA-AtWork | FLAC + AA? |
10:56:30 | pondlife | FLAC (using up your entire buffer with one track) and Album Art (also needing buffer space) |
10:57:07 | DA-AtWork | Ah |
10:57:10 | LinusN | wouldn't large mp3 files have the same problem? |
10:57:20 | DA-AtWork | Podcasts |
10:57:21 | linuxstb | pondlife: All my music is FLAC, and AA works fine. |
10:57:32 | pondlife | I was only wondering |
10:57:55 | DA-AtWork | Wait, I got an idea... isn't it possible just to make Rockbox buffer parts of the FLAC file instead of the whole damn thing? |
10:58:04 | DA-AtWork | Buffering the next minute, for example |
10:58:23 | Bagder | and then ? |
10:58:36 | Bagder | load a minute at a time? |
10:58:52 | Bagder | spinup up the disk every minute? |
10:59:23 | linuxstb | IIRC, Apple's ipod firmware does something like that - buffering the beginnings of upcoming tracks, on the assumption that users skip a lot. I assume that after a certain time (30 seconds?) the rest of the track is then buffered. |
10:59:40 | linuxstb | (or so I've heard people claim...) |
10:59:57 | Bagder | yeah, and we have this idea brought up every now and then |
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11:00:00 | DA-AtWork | Badger: Good point... |
11:00:20 | DA-AtWork | Battery life would suffer |
11:01:01 | Bagder | DA-AtWork: believe it or not, but the current concept has gotten a bit of thought already |
11:01:04 | linuxstb | DA-AtWork: You could stop skipping ;) e.g. create playlists or delete songs you don't like... |
11:01:30 | Bagder | or just accept that this is the battery life under these conditions |
11:02:10 | linuxstb | DA-AtWork: How long is your battery life? I can't recall my gigabeat ever running out, and people have reported about 18 hours (I think) in runtime tests. |
11:02:48 | pondlife | I guess the fairest check is to compare with the Original Firmware, but Gigabeat can't dual boot, can it? |
11:03:04 | linuxstb | No, and for good reason :) |
11:03:15 | pondlife | Good reason? |
11:03:19 | linuxstb | It sucks |
11:03:23 | pondlife | hah |
11:03:35 | pondlife | I've never seen it |
11:03:42 | linuxstb | But also, it can only play its own encrypted format (.sat), so you'll need two copies of the music. |
11:03:56 | pondlife | Urgh, that *does* suck |
11:04:08 | pondlife | An OF that can't play MP3? |
11:04:09 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: about 10hrs with MP3, 3-4 with FLAC. |
11:04:13 | linuxstb | Which requires a windows app to transfer. |
11:04:32 | DA-AtWork | Very low, compared to my old Zen Touch, which could do 22hrs (it was stolen :( ) |
11:04:37 | linuxstb | DA-AtWork: You must either do a _lot_ of skipping, or your battery is in need of replacing. |
11:06:10 | linuxstb | I use FLAC all the time on my gigabeat, and as I said, it never seems to run out - so I would guess it could last for about 15-20 hours. (I probably use it for about 2 hours a day, and it seems to last for a couple of weeks) |
11:06:25 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: I do skip a bit, but not all the time. |
11:06:52 | DA-AtWork | The MP3 player is from ebay, it's probably not exactly new... where can I get a replacement battery? |
11:07:08 | linuxstb | I'm not sure - I don't think they're easy to find. markun may know... |
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11:10:30 | markun | I use an ipod 4g battery in my Gigabeat, but you need to modify it to use the connector from your old battery. |
11:16:36 | DA-AtWork | Aren't there any aftermarket chinese batteries or something? |
11:21:19 | DA-AtWork | markun? |
11:21:33 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: not that we've found no |
11:21:49 | DA-AtWork | damn |
11:21:49 | markun | well, chinese ipod 4g batteries |
11:22:00 | DA-AtWork | Is it hard to modify the batteries? |
11:22:22 | markun | not really |
11:22:45 | markun | but you might need a soldering iron to do a better job than I did :) |
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11:23:36 | DA-AtWork | markun: Last time I cracked open my soldering iron box, my Xbox died. :P |
11:23:40 | markun | and because I bought a higher capacity battery it didn't fit perfectly and I had to bend my case slightly. But it sounds worse than it is. You can't see it. |
11:24:12 | markun | There is some info in the rockbox forums and maybe also in the wiki. |
11:24:25 | DA-AtWork | okay |
11:25:06 | GodEater | markun: how many hours usage did the higher capacity get you ? |
11:25:20 | markun | about 25 I think |
11:25:44 | GodEater | not bad :) |
11:26:08 | DA-AtWork | :o |
11:26:21 | DA-AtWork | How much does one of those batteries cost, and where can it be bought? |
11:26:31 | pondlife | I look forward to fitting a new battery to my H380... |
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11:26:44 | markun | I'll look up the forum thread |
11:27:00 | markun | DA-AtWork: but I only play ogg vorbis (q3) so I don't know how well FLAC will do. |
11:27:30 | DA-AtWork | I think I usually use q8 when I use ogg vorbis |
11:27:33 | DA-AtWork | Or something like that |
11:27:45 | markun | it surprises me that there is such a big difference with MP3 and FLAC on you player. |
11:27:50 | DA-AtWork | But either way, it's bound to be an increase over what I have now |
11:27:59 | markun | since linuxstb gets a normal runtime |
11:28:00 | DA-AtWork | Maybe it is my skipping that's causing it |
11:28:09 | DA-AtWork | but I do the same with mp3s |
11:28:30 | markun | reading from the HDD is very power consuming |
11:28:51 | DA-AtWork | So I was told |
11:29:05 | Llorean | And skipping would cause a lot more reads with flac than with mp3 |
11:29:07 | DA-AtWork | How about the screen? does it suck a lot of power too? |
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11:29:13 | markun | forum search isn't very fast.. |
11:29:16 | Llorean | The light drains more power than almost anything else |
11:29:21 | DA-AtWork | I see |
11:29:39 | pondlife | You don't have backlight set to Always On, do you? |
11:29:42 | markun | Llorean: but you can set it to a lower brightness to save power |
11:29:50 | Llorean | markun: Very true. |
11:29:58 | linuxstb | pondlife: That's a useful setting... ;) |
11:30:03 | pondlife | Indeed |
11:30:05 | DA-AtWork | pondlife: No, I'm not that much of a clot. :P |
11:30:15 | pondlife | mrs pondlife used that setting once |
11:30:20 | * | Llorean thinks we should rename "caption backlight" to "Expedient battery drain mode" |
11:30:27 | DA-AtWork | hehe |
11:30:28 | pondlife | Or just remove it |
11:30:35 | GodEater | nah - too many people would ask what "Expedient" meant |
11:30:36 | DA-AtWork | Caption Backlight was annoying me a lot |
11:30:38 | markun | if we ever support players with an amoled screen (like the iriver clix2) we can tell people to use a black background to save power :) |
11:30:42 | Llorean | People apparently use Caption Backlight. |
11:30:43 | pondlife | I've never understood what use it is |
11:30:45 | DA-AtWork | Thanks for pointing out how to turn it off, guys |
11:31:03 | pondlife | It used to annoy me back on the JBR, it was on by default IIRC. |
11:31:04 | DA-AtWork | pondlife: Whenever a track is changed, the backlight turns on |
11:31:13 | pondlife | Yes, but why would you want that? |
11:31:24 | GodEater | in case you wanted to know what the new track was ? |
11:31:27 | linuxstb | I guess it's useful in a car |
11:31:40 | pondlife | If you want to see the display, push a key |
11:31:57 | pondlife | Use the "First Keypresss..." option if needed |
11:32:08 | GodEater | pondlife: that's what I'd do yes, but other people are lazy :) |
11:32:08 | pondlife | But why light the screen when just playing? |
11:32:22 | linuxstb | In a car, isn't it better to not press buttons? |
11:32:34 | pondlife | I'd find reading the screen harder than pressing a button |
11:32:38 | GodEater | linuxstb: yes, but it's also good to keep an eye on the road |
11:32:43 | DA-AtWork | Just a question, BTW, guys |
11:33:20 | DA-AtWork | Is it possible to connect the player to USB, but without losing control of the player (so that I can still use it), unless the player is mounted by the USB host? |
11:33:39 | DA-AtWork | Because I got no charger and always use USB to charge it, yet I'd like to be able to use the player while charging |
11:33:48 | linuxstb | We can't detect if it's mounted, but holding MENU as you insert USB will stop it registering as a USB device. |
11:34:04 | * | pondlife really must put an option in for that |
11:34:05 | DA-AtWork | Oh |
11:34:22 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: Will that make it usable while charging from USB? |
11:34:27 | pondlife | Yes |
11:34:37 | DA-AtWork | Great, thanks :D |
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11:35:53 | GodEater | is that still not in the manual ? |
11:36:14 | DA-AtWork | I haven't touched the manual |
11:36:25 | * | pondlife throws the manual at DA-AtWork |
11:36:41 | DA-AtWork | *throws printed out man pages back* |
11:36:50 | * | GodEater refuses to answer more questions unless DA-AtWork has read it |
11:37:10 | DA-AtWork | I haven't got time to read a book these days :P |
11:37:20 | DA-AtWork | And if I did, it'd be a Murray N. Rothbard book, not a manual |
11:38:23 | GodEater | I have no time to answer questions for people that haven't read the manual |
11:39:28 | DA-AtWork | Ok, to be honest, I can't stand manuals - I wanna tinker and figure stuff out myself. The few things I don't figure out myself, I google, use the wiki for, or ask on IRC. |
11:39:53 | DA-AtWork | If I wanted something that just worked and had no tinkering value, I'd just go for an ipod. |
11:40:04 | DA-AtWork | That's also the reason I'm using DD-WRT on my accesspoint at home |
11:40:42 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: that attitude works fine until you start wasting other people's time with questions that are answered in the manual |
11:40:55 | DA-AtWork | I apologize |
11:40:56 | DA-AtWork | Okay? |
11:41:03 | LinusN | no worries |
11:41:14 | DA-AtWork | Next time I have a question, I'll look in the manual first |
11:41:20 | LinusN | and you are not alone |
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11:41:33 | DA-AtWork | Is there a search engine covering the manual? |
11:42:11 | LinusN | it's rather interesting, because it seems most people don't expect the manual to be very good in open source projects |
11:42:22 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: unfortunately not |
11:42:24 | DA-AtWork | It's not that I don't expect it to be good |
11:42:34 | DA-AtWork | It's that man pages have caused me to hate all manuals |
11:42:45 | petur | DA-AtWork: google is your friend |
11:42:51 | DA-AtWork | Reading 50 pages of unnecessary and irrelevant trivia to get to a single detail you're looking for |
11:42:55 | DA-AtWork | That's the man page experience |
11:43:02 | LinusN | amen to that |
11:43:08 | DA-AtWork | that's why I dislike manuals |
11:43:54 | DA-AtWork | petur: I already said I google stuff I can't figure out myself |
11:43:56 | GodEater | site:www.rockbox.org inurl:manual |
11:44:10 | GodEater | works for me |
11:44:30 | DA-AtWork | Yep, should work fine :) |
11:45:18 | GodEater | so, "yes there is a search engine covering the manual, it is called google" :) |
11:45:35 | LinusN | hmmm, didn't really work that well for me |
11:46:12 | LinusN | "site:www.rockbox.org inurl:manual backlight" gave me 5 hits, none to the correct version of the manual |
11:46:35 | GodEater | try "inurl:pdf instead" ? |
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11:47:01 | petur | how about site:download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300 ? |
11:47:05 | LinusN | GodEater: |
11:47:10 | LinusN | petur: that may work |
11:47:11 | GodEater | petur: that's probably better too |
11:47:20 | GodEater | I failed to notice the download bit |
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11:48:12 | LinusN | in fact, why not add a nice search form on the manual page at rockbox.org? |
11:48:30 | DA-AtWork | That would be cool :D |
11:48:47 | LinusN | on the rockbox-build.html page |
11:49:08 | DA-AtWork | Or turn the manual into a nice wiki, like this: http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
11:49:17 | GodEater | LinusN: good question - I wonder who amonst us could do that ? |
11:49:22 | DA-AtWork | To be frank, I really don't like Rockbox's wiki, it's very difficult to search |
11:49:33 | GodEater | a common complaint |
11:49:46 | GodEater | and again, one which is never followed by a good suggestion on how to improve it |
11:49:57 | DA-AtWork | One word: MediaWiki |
11:50:08 | DA-AtWork | i.e. Wikipedia's wiki software |
11:50:39 | * | amiconn uses 'Caption backlight' at home |
11:52:05 | DA-AtWork | linuxstb: Holding MENU while inserting the USB cable works :D thanks a lot :D |
11:52:11 | GodEater | changing the software doesn't change how the information is organised DA-AtWork |
11:52:23 | pondlife | amiconn: Why, in particular? |
11:52:37 | pondlife | I'm genuinely interested, not being facetious |
11:52:47 | DA-AtWork | GodEater: Look at how DD-WRT do it |
11:52:58 | amiconn | In order to be able to see the new trackname on track change, without keeping backlight constantly on |
11:52:59 | DA-AtWork | It's very clean and organized, everything categorized and in lists |
11:53:15 | pondlife | amiconn: Ah, ok. |
11:53:16 | GodEater | DA-AtWork: that doesn't help us |
11:53:23 | GodEater | we don't use the same information they do |
11:53:33 | LinusN | DA-AtWork: is that thanks to mediawiki or the authors of that particular information? |
11:53:48 | * | GodEater suspects it's the authors |
11:54:40 | DA-AtWork | Both, Mediawiki is far more organized by default, but DD-WRT's wiki authors are pretty good too |
11:54:41 | LinusN | i can't even see a search button on that page |
11:54:55 | DA-AtWork | Look at the top right corner |
11:55:05 | LinusN | it says "Go" |
11:55:07 | amiconn | In the car I set the backlight to always on, btw |
11:55:32 | GodEater | MediaWiki's syntax is also way more complex than twiki's |
11:55:40 | pondlife | I have backlight always on when powered |
11:55:45 | GodEater | users struggle with twiki as it is |
11:55:59 | GodEater | Mediawiki would just make it worse, and reduce the number of people contributing imo |
11:56:11 | DA-AtWork | But there are plenty more people who know how to use MediaWiki |
11:56:25 | DA-AtWork | I, for example, used to administer a MediaWiki wiki |
11:56:27 | GodEater | amongst rockbox's existing user base ? |
11:56:31 | GodEater | how do you know this ? |
11:56:49 | pondlife | Our wiki is a font of misinformation... :/ |
11:57:09 | GodEater | pondlife: yes, but changing it to different software won't help that |
11:57:36 | DA-AtWork | GodEater: I don't know that, but fact is, there are plenty of people who've contributed to mediawiki wikis, Wikipedia being, of course, the most obvious example. |
11:57:41 | pondlife | Indeed, but the amount of badly organised content is a more basic problem |
11:57:56 | LinusN | there are seldom technical solutions to badly organized content |
11:57:58 | GodEater | wikipedia's userbase, compared to ours, is ENORMOUS |
11:58:08 | GodEater | Rockbox's user base is tiny |
11:58:26 | DA-AtWork | I've contributed to Wikipedia, too... is it impossible for someone to be both a Rockbox and a Wikipedia user? :P |
11:58:40 | pondlife | I mean, why worry about the wiki software whilst the content needs such a lot of editing and structuring. |
11:58:44 | GodEater | no, but the intersection of the two sets is smaller than you think |
11:58:47 | DA-AtWork | anyway, be back soon - lunch break :D |
11:59:56 | * | GodEater appears to be on his own with his belief that moving from twiki to MediaWiki would decrease the number of contributors to the wiki, so shuts up |
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12:00:57 | LinusN | twiki works well enough for our needs, it's the content that needs work |
12:01:18 | GodEater | indeed |
12:01:26 | LinusN | still, if mediawiki helps us organize the content better than twiki, i'm all for it |
12:01:27 | GodEater | I think MediaWiki is over-engineered for our purposes |
12:01:33 | GodEater | I dont' see how it can |
12:01:38 | LinusN | me neither |
12:01:40 | GodEater | without some significant work by the authors |
12:02:24 | GodEater | we've suffered enough problems with twiki vulberabilities in the past |
12:02:37 | GodEater | do we know anything about similar defects in MediaWiki ? |
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12:05:16 | Nico_P | amiconn, LinusN: I received the ipod just a few minutes ago :) |
12:05:28 | LinusN | wee, in one piece? |
12:05:28 | GodEater | woohoo |
12:05:32 | GodEater | now fix it :) |
12:05:48 | Nico_P | LinusN: yes, in one piece |
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12:09:04 | Nico_P | GodEater: I intend to |
12:09:18 | GodEater | hehe |
12:11:17 | * | Nico_P checks out the manual |
12:11:33 | GodEater | "how to turn on your ipod" |
12:11:54 | Nico_P | that I figured out :) |
12:11:58 | GodEater | hehe |
12:12:03 | GodEater | what were you looking for then ? :) |
12:12:32 | Nico_P | stopping playback and turning the thing off |
12:12:42 | Nico_P | I just managed to stop playback |
12:12:44 | GodEater | hold play, hold play longer |
12:12:47 | GodEater | respectively |
12:12:59 | Nico_P | ah, thanks |
12:13:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The two most important things - hold MENU+SELECT for the hardware reset, and (whilst booting), hold SELECT+PLAY for emergency disk mode. |
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12:16:05 | ipodexpert | Nico_P: one more way to turn off the ipod: make two (roughly equally large) pieces out of it. Warning: you might have difficulties to boot it up again. |
12:16:35 | Nico_P | thank you, mr. expert! |
12:16:43 | ipodexpert | ;-) |
12:16:51 | DA-AtWork | ipodexpert: How exactly is this done? |
12:16:52 | DA-AtWork | Chainsaw? |
12:16:58 | GodEater | axe |
12:17:13 | DA-AtWork | I see. |
12:17:18 | Nico_P | hand force |
12:17:26 | DA-AtWork | Yep. somehow I doubt it'll boot up afterwards, too. |
12:19:00 | ipodexpert | GodEater: I'd do it your way. Very quick! |
12:19:37 | * | linuxstb expects an axe would generate more than two pieces |
12:20:00 | GodEater | use the sharp edge, not the back of it |
12:20:53 | ipodexpert | linuxstb: that's what makes out an expert! Exactly two pieces! |
12:23:43 | * | Nico_P can't get rbutil to compile |
12:24:46 | Nico_P | when I run make, lrelease just displays its usage |
12:24:57 | GodEater | did you run qmake first ? |
12:25:05 | Nico_P | yes |
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12:25:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Just download ipodpatcher... |
12:25:42 | GodEater | hehe |
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12:25:52 | GodEater | or build it, and a bootloader, yourself.... |
12:26:05 | Nico_P | that's what I'm doing at the same time |
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12:26:37 | * | GodEater chuckles at Bagder's wordpress woes |
12:26:44 | Nico_P | and I don't need to do much since rockbox is already installed. I just wanted to try out rbutil on a diff target |
12:27:51 | Nico_P | haha nice :p |
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12:28:11 | Nico_P | A good reason to learn French |
12:28:19 | GodEater | oui |
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12:38:51 | Nico_P | cabbie is real nice on the ipod IMHO |
12:39:28 | GodEater | yep |
12:39:36 | GodEater | shame it makes the audio skip so much ;) |
12:39:40 | GodEater | (if you have AA) |
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12:39:53 | Nico_P | amiconn doesn't ;) |
12:40:18 | GodEater | odd |
12:40:20 | GodEater | :) |
12:40:45 | Nico_P | he did a real good job ofkeeping the thing in perfect condition |
12:41:06 | GodEater | you mean he didn't use sandpaper to clean the screen ? :) |
12:41:12 | Nico_P | the front doesn't have one scratch on it |
12:41:32 | GodEater | nice |
12:41:38 | GodEater | I keep my in a skin to keep it pretty too |
12:43:27 | Llorean | Cabbie+AA causes skipping audio? |
12:43:44 | GodEater | does on my ipod |
12:43:51 | pondlife | Nico_P: Have you got any "insane disk activity" yet? :) |
12:43:53 | GodEater | when combined with dircache update anyway |
12:44:08 | GodEater | and without the "spinlock" revert patch |
12:44:10 | Nico_P | pondlife: no, and no audio skips either |
12:44:21 | DA-AtWork | Weird... Cabbie 2.0 looks strange with album art :/ |
12:44:29 | GodEater | since I applied the "revert spinlock" patch though - it's been fine |
12:44:53 | GodEater | Nico_P: there's not too many tracks on the ipod yet though is there ? |
12:45:02 | * | GodEater can't remember if amiconn loaded it up or not |
12:45:12 | pondlife | Of course he didn't |
12:45:16 | pondlife | That would be illegal |
12:45:17 | Nico_P | it only has 21 GB free, so I think he did |
12:45:25 | * | GodEater winks at pondlife |
12:45:30 | GodEater | I think you're right then ;) |
12:45:36 | * | pondlife edits the IRC logs |
12:45:37 | Nico_P | I'm starting to have trouble believing the spinlock commit is fine and only highlighted existing issues |
12:45:42 | Bagder | that must be debug logs only, obviously |
12:45:44 | GodEater | so all you need to do then is load it up with AA stuff |
12:46:27 | * | GodEater wonders why it would be illegal anyway - surely it's only illegal if Nico_P copies it off before he gives it back ? |
12:47:01 | Nico_P | I can't really be bothered to look for the AA of amiconn's tracks. I'll just copy over my music with its AA |
12:47:08 | GodEater | good plan |
12:47:21 | pondlife | GodEater: Good point |
12:47:24 | pondlife | phew |
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13:12:09 | Zagor | gevaerts: switchable, I assume? |
13:13:10 | gevaerts | Zagor: from whatI can gather, the pp502x should support 3 endpoint pairs, so they should be able to work at the same time |
13:13:33 | gevaerts | Zagor: my goal is to be able to get logf output in real time to the pc |
13:13:42 | Zagor | gevaerts: yes, only I never succeeded in making both ends of and endpoint work. have you? |
13:14:11 | Zagor | that's why the code uses different endpoints for rx and tx |
13:15:07 | gevaerts | Zagor: we'll see. The code is mostly ready to try tings out, but I forgot my usb cable at home, so it will have to wait until tonight |
13:15:20 | Zagor | ok |
13:15:32 | gevaerts | If it doesn't work, I'll make it switchable |
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13:16:17 | gevaerts | If it does work, we should have enough endpointsto implement usb audio as well (but that will have to be switched...) |
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13:17:59 | linuxstb | How does USB audio work? I assume it just transfers PCM audio to/from the device? |
13:19:10 | * | linuxstb reads the specs |
13:20:15 | gevaerts | linuxstb: basicall. I didn't look very hard at the spec yet, but I understand it uses one endpoint (maybe a pair) to control everything (mixer settings, ...) and one isochronous endpoint for the pcm data (per direction) |
13:21:01 | linuxstb | Seems it's not just PCM data - you can use MPEG or AC-3 as well... |
13:21:18 | gevaerts | linuxstb: we havent' even tried to get isochronous working until now, and there are still lots of issues with the current stack and storage code, so it's still mostly dreaming... |
13:21:43 | linuxstb | So a full implementation would need to use the codecs... |
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13:22:55 | linuxstb | In fact, even PCM can be many formats (fixed-point integer, float, a-law etc) |
13:23:42 | gevaerts | linuxstb: as far as I understand a device is allowed to implement all those, but they are not all required |
13:24:36 | pondlife | A USB audio output would want to feed from the final PCM output anyway, no? So EQ etc. could be used. |
13:24:50 | pondlife | Software EQ, I mean |
13:24:50 | Zagor | I'm undecided about whether I consider it worth making the code more complex (by adding iso transfers) for usb audio |
13:25:25 | Zagor | I don't see any real use cases for it, other than "it's cool" |
13:25:31 | pondlife | In car? |
13:25:42 | linuxstb | Zagor: I understand what you mean, but I like the idea of supporting things the hardware is physically capable of, but original firmwares ignore... |
13:25:48 | linuxstb | i.e. "it's cool" ;) |
13:25:51 | Zagor | how many car stereos have you seen that accept usb audio? I have never seen one. |
13:26:00 | Zagor | usb sticks, yes. but not usb audio. |
13:26:37 | Zagor | linuxstb: unfortunately there is no end to that reasoning. usb keyboards, networking, video cards etc etc. |
13:26:54 | pondlife | Hmm, keyboard... |
13:26:54 | linuxstb | Sure, it all depends on _how_ complicated things become... |
13:27:22 | gevaerts | I can see a few use cases, some real and some less so. I can imagine iriver users wanting to use their optical i/o from a laptop (unfortunately they won't run this usb stack at all, so that's pretty academical) |
13:27:42 | Zagor | hehe |
13:27:48 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I was thinking that as well - but we have no targets with digital IO and software USB... |
13:27:59 | gevaerts | There is the fm tuner |
13:28:16 | pondlife | Won't iRivers be able to run some of this USB code one day? |
13:28:25 | linuxstb | The H300 maybe, but not the H100 |
13:28:29 | Zagor | gevaerts: are you on top of the logf stuff, or would you like to look at the work-in-progress patch I did for it? |
13:28:36 | pondlife | USBOTG support for H300 would be nice |
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13:28:59 | * | petur should resume that work :/ |
13:29:28 | pondlife | As long as the USB code isn't too entangled with PP stuff |
13:29:43 | pondlife | Or can be disentangled :) |
13:29:45 | * | linuxstb suspects that Rockbox will eventually need a networking stack, as wireless becomes more and more ubiquitous |
13:29:49 | gevaerts | Zagor: I haven't done any logf work so far, so if you have something that would be welcome |
13:30:04 | Zagor | usbotg is quite a bite to chew on |
13:30:48 | * | gevaerts notices that this otg stuff might make usb audio in the other direction quite useful |
13:30:56 | * | gevaerts doesn't volunteer for that one |
13:31:01 | petur | :) |
13:31:12 | pondlife | Recording on all devices! |
13:31:17 | markun | linuxstb: the Gigabeat has i2s on it's dock and software USB 1.1 |
13:31:33 | gevaerts | pondlife: do we know the usb controller used in the H100 ? |
13:32:31 | petur | gevaerts: it's a bridge - pure hardware |
13:32:44 | pondlife | So no ISP1362? |
13:32:52 | petur | only in h300 |
13:32:55 | DA-AtWork | markun: You just reminded me of something... when I first got this Gigabeat, it had a dock... is that usable for anything with Rockbox? |
13:33:07 | petur | and X5 has something similar |
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13:33:22 | pondlife | petur: Similar to which? |
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13:33:39 | petur | isp1362 usbotg |
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13:36:29 | amiconn | petur: The X5 usbotg chip has no public docs though. |
13:36:37 | petur | oh |
13:36:46 | petur | I thought it was a philips too |
13:37:07 | gevaerts | pondlife: currently the class drivers only use fairly generic functions from the controller driver (send, receive, stall,...), so they should be hardware-agnostic |
13:37:14 | pondlife | Good stuff |
13:39:43 | * | gevaerts notices that the ISP1362 seems to have quite a lot of public documentation |
13:40:06 | petur | yes |
13:40:45 | gevaerts | So do any supported devices beside the H300 use it ? |
13:41:12 | petur | no |
13:41:29 | gevaerts | so that's probably why there's no driver for it yet... |
13:42:14 | petur | there's demo code from philips in the wiki, and I had it about 10% working when I about gave up (time issue) |
13:42:54 | * | gevaerts thinks the DeviceChart page should include a line about which usb controller is used (if any) |
13:43:55 | petur | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport |
13:44:33 | * | petur should upload his code for others to continue, or do it himself |
13:45:36 | gevaerts | petur: looks like you were mainly intersted in the host-side part |
13:45:54 | petur | yes, the h300 has two controllers |
13:46:18 | petur | the hardware one is used now, the isp1362 would be used as host |
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13:47:17 | * | gevaerts dreams of a full-sized keyboard attached to his sansa |
13:47:42 | petur | see the usbotg page for the whole list of dreams ;) |
13:48:43 | linuxstb | Or bluetooth with this gadget - http://gizmodo.com/347091/tiny-bluetooth-adapter-from-brando-gives-you-connectability |
13:48:52 | gevaerts | I like the tv tuner one, but you forgot networking |
13:49:09 | petur | wifi dongle :) |
13:49:58 | petur | didn't the ipod/sansa usb controllers also do host? |
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13:50:16 | * | gevaerts mainly dreams of someone finding out what's wrong with the PP usb controller initialization |
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13:51:04 | * | petur dreams of getting his payed work done on time... time to look at that |
13:51:09 | gevaerts | petur: the controller is otg. I don't know if the rest of the hardware supports it. You'd need some kind of adapter cable at least for the sansa |
13:52:04 | * | gevaerts is going to do some paid work as well |
13:52:05 | * | linuxstb is reminded that he has an ipod "camera adapter" in his drawer waiting to be smashed open |
13:52:24 | gevaerts | linuxstb: don't smash too hard |
13:52:41 | pondlife | linuxstb: Experts recommend use of an axe |
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14:00:20 | amiconn | petur: X5 uses ALi M5636 |
14:00:59 | * | petur stands corrected |
14:08:07 | * | linuxstb struggles to apply the necessary levels of violence to his ipod camera connector |
14:09:13 | GodEater | you need to work out more |
14:09:54 | * | linuxstb looks around for better weapons |
14:11:01 | * | GodEater predicts a visit to casualty if linuxstb isn't careful |
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14:11:20 | linuxstb | You're probably right... |
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14:23:26 | * | linuxstb succeeds in getting to the inside and finds a small (1cm by 2cm) PCB with a large chip on it |
14:24:47 | linuxstb | And just the following markings - "V106 5CZ ND97 N" |
14:26:29 | linuxstb | Bah, just found this page - http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15821 |
14:27:37 | GodEater | hahaha |
14:28:20 | Zagor | "In conclusion the iPod Camera Connector is the very first firewire to usb converter ever made." :-) |
14:28:47 | * | linuxstb is happy he's forgotten how much he paid for the connector... |
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14:30:39 | carlosp | hey guys, it is me once again. I have a question which might not be too rockboxish |
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14:34:48 | preglow | hmm |
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14:35:01 | preglow | have you ever known any usb devices to be picky on the cable it's connected with? |
14:37:01 | gevaerts | preglow: usb cable specs changed a bit in going from 1.1 to 2.0. |
14:37:19 | preglow | got a usb disk here that just disconnects if fed the cable i use for my h120 |
14:37:25 | preglow | the cable it comes with is very short, might be that |
14:38:10 | gevaerts | Is the h120 high-speed ? |
14:38:32 | preglow | depends what that means in bandwidth terms, i don't really know, all i know is it's usb2 |
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14:39:18 | preglow | any way of finding out (linux) ? |
14:39:19 | Zagor | gevaerts: are you sure the cable spec changed? |
14:39:37 | gevaerts | then the cabling requirements should be the same. Maybe your cable is a bit marginal |
14:40:09 | preglow | gevaerts: can a device find out if the cable is actually good enough easily, though? this hd seems to disconnect before any mounting is attempted |
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14:40:31 | gevaerts | Zagor: not entirely sure, but I seem to remember that the electrical specs are tighter |
14:40:51 | gevaerts | preglow: it can detect that it doesn't like the signal quality |
14:41:05 | Zagor | as far as I recall, the spec is the same. but some non-spec cheapo cables worked with 1.1 but not 2.0 |
14:41:10 | preglow | gevaerts: i'm pretty sure the h120 is high-speed, yes |
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14:41:35 | webguest99 | hey guys a little off/topic question |
14:41:56 | webguest99 | how can i get all the album arts to my songs?? |
14:42:18 | preglow | gevaerts: yeah, it reaches well above fullspeed speeds |
14:42:46 | webguest99 | is there app which is not itune and add the album art automaticlly to the song i tranfare to my mp3 player |
14:43:38 | gevaerts | Zagor: that's possible too. |
14:43:53 | LinusN | webguest99: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
14:45:04 | webguest99 | thank you linus :) |
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14:45:21 | webguest99 | you are not the father of lnux, are you? :P |
14:45:25 | Zagor | low-speed (1.0) are different though. they are unshielded. |
14:45:29 | webguest99 | *linux |
14:45:45 | preglow | webguest99: he would have to be called LinusT then... |
14:46:20 | preglow | although he might have called one of his children lnux, i don't know about that |
14:46:28 | webguest99 | heeh, yeah thats true |
14:46:28 | LinusN | :-) |
14:46:49 | Zagor | I like how the archos oem usb cable is explicitly prohibited by the usb spec |
14:46:56 | preglow | i intend to call mine gorthon and kspex respectively, so it would have been a fine name |
14:49:22 | przemhb | hi all |
14:50:10 | gevaerts | low speed is indeed different, but they are not allowed to use a "standard" usb connector on the device side. You can get a low-speed device from USB-IF that does use a standard cable though ) |
14:50:26 | przemhb | Could someone having H10 be so kind and take a look at FS #8273 patch? (It stays there since 5th of the December) |
14:51:03 | gevaerts | It's quite interesting to see how much "usb" stuff violates some part of the spec somewhere |
14:51:25 | Zagor | too often, microsoft windows is the spec... |
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14:52:54 | gevaerts | Read paragraph 11.5.3.1 in the usb spec sometime, and then check how many hubs actually follow that... |
14:53:01 | LinusN | przemhb: do any other rockbox targets use that rtc? |
14:53:16 | przemhb | linuxstb: hi, do you remember our last chat about a problem with opening fonts during make zip? As switching to CRLF line-endings did not helped I've modified wpsbuild.pl a bit |
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14:53:28 | przemhb | LinusN: I must check... |
14:54:29 | preglow | i don't think s |
14:54:29 | Zagor | gevaerts: well it is voluntary. "If a vendor provides a labeling". though I actually do have a hub with numbered ports :) |
14:54:30 | preglow | o |
14:56:07 | przemhb | LinusN: H10's and Tatung Elio TPJ-1022 only |
14:56:17 | gevaerts | Zagor: try plugging in a device, and check if the port number reported by software matches the labels. |
14:56:21 | LinusN | przemhb: goodie |
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15:00:58 | gevaerts | Zagor: what's your view on the usb serial number discussion ? Should we match the OF or be spec compliant (the spec says to only use 0-9A-Z, and at many OF's also put dashes in it or use lower-case) ? |
15:01:24 | LinusN | przemhb: committed. thanks! |
15:01:35 | przemhb | LinusN: thanks! |
15:01:39 | Zagor | gevaerts: I think we should be spec compliant. does that cause any problems that we know of? |
15:02:25 | gevaerts | Zagor: some people complain that their fstab rules don't work any more. Nothing more serious than that. |
15:02:51 | * | gevaerts thinks we should be spec compliant as well, even on details like tis |
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15:03:31 | Zagor | we can always call it a feature! :) |
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15:07:28 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Are you sure about the UMS serial number? Didn't you say that it was a feature of the device, which to me (I don't know the USB specs at all though) implies it should be part of the core standard, not the UMS spec you pointed me to? |
15:08:44 | gevaerts | linuxstb: the UMS spec has some additional restrictions |
15:09:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: usbmassbulk_10.pdf 4.1.2 |
15:10:40 | linuxstb | Also, looking at bertrik's USB compliance tests with the Sansa original firmware, I didn't notice any failures (although maybe I missed it, or he didn't test that part) |
15:11:08 | przemhb | does using inner quotation marks in wpsbuild.pl:121 make sense? I didn't analyze it, but removing them helped me not to get "error opening font" errors during make zip; see http://ffw58.internetdsl.tpnet.pl/wpsbuild.patch |
15:11:53 | linuxstb | Those are used to execute shell commands (if you're talking about what I think). |
15:12:30 | linuxstb | Ah, I see what you mean now... |
15:13:49 | linuxstb | Are you using cygwin? |
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15:13:56 | przemhb | linuxstb: yes |
15:14:02 | linuxstb | And tortoisesvn ? |
15:14:06 | przemhb | yes |
15:14:12 | * | linuxstb wants a cookie |
15:14:24 | linuxstb | Is cygwin set to use DOS or Unix line-endings/ |
15:14:25 | linuxstb | ? |
15:15:14 | linuxstb | tortoisesvn will create files with DOS line-endings, so unless Cygwin is configured similarly, you'll run into these kinds of issues. |
15:15:22 | GodEater | can I get some advice on linux tools to transcode mp3 to wav (and let's just assume I've already been soundly berated by every audiophile in here already for even contemplating doing it) |
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15:15:51 | linuxstb | I would use "madplay -o wav:filename.wav file.mp3" |
15:16:15 | GodEater | thank you |
15:16:19 | * | preglow hands out cookies |
15:16:44 | krazykit | lame has a decoder too ;-) |
15:16:59 | krazykit | lame −−decode |
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15:20:27 | przemhb | linuxstb: first I was having Cygwin with LF and it worked fine for several months, then make started to handle fonts, and since then I was experiencing the problem with opening fonts, so I switched Cygwin to CRLF and performed deleted whole RB src dir and performed full svn co |
15:21:09 | broom | I have a question about the last commit (rtc_e8564.c). The variable rtc_lock_alarm_clear seems to be new, the commit only has one file. Shouldn't that variable be declared as static then? |
15:22:02 | przemhb | linuxstb: but as it did not helped I've modified wpsbuild |
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15:24:54 | GodEater | linuxstb / krazykit: same advice for flac please ? |
15:26:48 | krazykit | flac -d |
15:31:02 | * | gevaerts thinks we should contact support for any non-compliant device and tell them they have a bug |
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15:33:40 | * | linuxstb wonders what serial numbers the other PP devices use - H10, mrobe 100 |
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15:34:22 | GodEater | is this the same serial number that linux gets as the "by-uuid" ? |
15:35:21 | gevaerts | GodEater: I think the uuid is the filesystem id. The usb serial number is used in by-id |
15:35:50 | GodEater | ah |
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16:03:40 | kugel | Nico_P: Hi, the today's version of bmp resize seems to work better |
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16:04:46 | jac0b-work | with the multifont patch where do you specify what fonts you want to use? |
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16:05:19 | kugel | jac0b-work: ffs, can't you just read the comments before installing a patch? |
16:05:50 | kugel | you spammed in quite a few patches with problems that are either known or discussed in the comments bfore |
16:05:52 | jac0b-work | I did and I think it says to add it to the global cfg file |
16:06:33 | linuxstb | Maybe look at some themes known to work with the latest multifont patch, and see how they specify the fonts. |
16:07:00 | jac0b-work | linuxstb: thanks I will that |
16:08:00 | jac0b-work | I was commenting because there was a problem I was having with the patches, and I waited for a while until I added a comment |
16:08:21 | jac0b-work | just to see if anyone added a resynced patch |
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16:09:14 | kugel | jac0b-work: the multifont patch for example. tdooke said several times, that the newer version need the viewports list patch |
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16:10:25 | kugel | you failed hunk is "viewport.c", and you just didn't come to the idea that you need viewports-list |
16:11:05 | kugel | jac0b-work: There's noting to resync, you were just lacking a patch |
16:11:59 | jac0b-work | I see where he noted about the list.c hunk errors but nothing about viewport.c |
16:12:21 | kugel | tdooke said that when he uploaded the version! |
16:12:50 | jac0b-work | sorry for posting without researching the past comments I make sure to do that from now on |
16:13:48 | kugel | jac0b-work: thank you, making a custom build requires researching, and not just asking the others to solve your problems. It's just like that |
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16:41:01 | J3TC- | Speaking of custom builds |
16:41:07 | J3TC- | Does tdtooke hang around IRC? |
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16:49:37 | FrankOtto | Hello. I've been using Rockbox for three years on an iRiver H120. Currently I'm attempting a CF modification of the player, and would like to contribute my experiences to the Wiki (CFModGuide). Therefore I'd like to request write permissions for the Wiki. |
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16:50:29 | petur | 1 sec |
16:51:00 | petur | FrankOtto: done |
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16:51:12 | petur | did it work, btw? |
16:51:12 | FrankOtto | petur: Thank you! |
16:51:28 | FrankOtto | no, ATA error -80 :-( |
16:51:42 | petur | same here, I hope I can test some things tonight |
16:52:19 | FrankOtto | I've been looking at the code, I think this happens in set_features() when dealing with the power management |
16:52:33 | n1s | petur: wouldn't flashing the latest pre-something bootloader and loading rockbox from flash be a safer way to test? |
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16:53:30 | petur | nls: there's no safe way to debug the iriver bootloader unless you're LinusN |
16:53:48 | FrankOtto | I find it interesting that the USB bootloader mode works fine with the CF card |
16:54:08 | petur | FrankOtto: that's because the usb is handled in hardware |
16:54:14 | n1s | petur: but if you load rb from flash, you could test with a modified rb image and still use the tried and tru bootloader |
16:54:28 | petur | nls: ah right |
16:54:44 | petur | is there a run-from-flash one for h300? |
16:54:56 | n1s | no :( |
16:55:13 | n1s | ha right you have a h300 not h100... |
16:55:28 | petur | err.... wouldn't help. You still need to modify the code that runs from flash |
16:55:49 | petur | "there is no disk" |
16:56:37 | n1s | but if the bootloader still works you can swap back to a hd at least |
16:57:54 | petur | nls: that bootloader allows flashing only rockbox and not touching the bootloader part? |
16:58:10 | n1s | afaiu yes |
16:58:29 | petur | that would be nice |
16:58:37 | * | n1s also only has a h300 so haven't tried it first hand |
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17:01:04 | * | petur has two h300 so can try flashing and send to Linus if it fails ;) |
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17:03:30 | FrankOtto | n1s: does this new bootloader work on the H100? |
17:03:55 | n1s | FrankOtto: yes, it's called 7-pre4 |
17:04:33 | FrankOtto | n1s: i wonder where it loads from, it still has to detect a disk, doesn't it? |
17:05:03 | petur | it actually flashes two things: bootloader and rockbox itself |
17:05:14 | n1s | FrankOtto: it allows the rockbox main binary to be loaded from flash |
17:05:58 | rasher | So really, linuxstb would be better using by-uuid rather than by-id at any rate.. |
17:05:59 | petur | and updating that rockbox binary in flash is less risky than updating the bootloader |
17:05:59 | FrankOtto | um, the current stable bootloader for H100 (V6) does that too... |
17:06:13 | rasher | Oops, scrollback.. |
17:06:49 | linuxstb | rasher: ? |
17:07:17 | rasher | linuxstb: /dev/by-uuid is the filesystem id, which should be more consistent than by-id (should even work if you put the harddrive in an adaptor! |
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17:07:49 | linuxstb | Yes, although it changes whenever I reformat. But I guess I can live with that. |
17:08:10 | rasher | Ah, right |
17:08:12 | FrankOtto | n1s: I only updated the bootloader once, all rockbox updates since then I did by simply updating the files on the disk. |
17:08:47 | FrankOtto | n1s: or maybe I'm in error about what constitutes the "rockbox main binary"? |
17:09:00 | linuxstb | rasher: Also, once Rockbox's UMS drive is up to speed (literally), I can't see a need for ever using the OF's. So I don't care about consistency any more... |
17:09:27 | rasher | There is that |
17:09:46 | n1s | the rockbox.iriver file is the main binary, the v7 bootloader allows this to be loaded from flash instead of disk (or to be run directly in flash) |
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17:12:16 | FrankOtto | n1s: please excuse my ignorance, but what is "flash" for the H100? The place where the original iriver firmware is? I'm confused. |
17:12:34 | n1s | yes, it's where the OF is |
17:12:44 | FrankOtto | i see |
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17:13:43 | FrankOtto | n1s: but is it then possible to update the firmware even when no disk is found? |
17:15:18 | n1s | FrankOtto: my suggestion was that instead of trying to modify the bootloader directly, start a modified rockbox from flash and if that fails, swap back to the hd, and boot from that to flash a new rockbox image |
17:16:10 | FrankOtto | n1s: now i understand. thank you. |
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17:20:52 | FrankOtto | n1s: this sounds indeed like a reasonably safe way. how does the new bootloader control whether to load the rockbox.iriver from flash or from disk? I guess one has to press some button, right? Sorry, have trouble finding info about the new bootloader in the documentation pages. |
17:21:33 | n1s | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
17:21:40 | linuxstb | IIRC, you hold record to boot from disk |
17:22:58 | kugel | I have a question: If bmp_resize was in SVN, would we be interested in keeping those option flags in the Cl tag? l,c,r/t,c,b and i,s,d |
17:23:38 | FrankOtto | n1s: thanks, that was too obvious for me to find it :-) |
17:24:35 | Horscht | kugel, does bmp_resize also upscale? |
17:24:43 | kugel | sure |
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17:25:38 | Horscht | the I think we should keep c, as upscaling makes pictures look ugly, and should therefore keep smaller pictures centered |
17:26:12 | kugel | good point |
17:27:44 | kugel | Horscht: C doesn't prevent scaling |
17:27:46 | GodEater | hello dan_a - long time no see :) |
17:27:54 | kugel | but i and d do |
17:29:22 | Horscht | but wouldn'z it be more usefull to have c prevent scaling? as to prevent upscaling? |
17:29:23 | J3TC- | Wait, so bmp_resize does upscale the image too? |
17:29:38 | Horscht | just my 2c |
17:29:49 | J3TC- | Well upscaling wouldn't be too bad if you have to upscale a tiny bit to fill up a space or something |
17:29:54 | dan_a | Hi GodEater - I've not had time to do any coding for months... but I thought I'd poke my head in, and see what was going on |
17:30:19 | Horscht | would kill aspect ratio, wouldn't it, J3TC-? |
17:30:34 | GodEater | dan_a: read any recent logs ? |
17:30:42 | GodEater | the USB stuff has come along leaps and bounds |
17:30:42 | J3TC- | Why would it? |
17:30:52 | GodEater | it's usable to actually transfer files now :) |
17:30:57 | J3TC- | Let's say a photo is already at 90x90 and need to upscale to 100x100 |
17:31:18 | Horscht | would make it ugly. Upscaling never really looks good |
17:31:19 | dan_a | GodEater: I saw and was impressed |
17:31:38 | kugel | Horscht: you can set the d flag to prevent upscaling, c does allign it to center |
17:32:00 | J3TC- | I guess but it's still a matter of preference. I'm just saying why kill upscaling all in all |
17:32:05 | J3TC- | Also my 2c ;) |
17:32:14 | GodEater | in other news, the Gigabeat S port is coming along nicely - we can get to the point where we can see the Rockbox menu on the screen, and navigate the filesystem |
17:32:45 | Horscht | my 2 cents are european, and more worth than american ones, J3TC- :p |
17:32:48 | markun | GodEater: what are the major problems? |
17:33:17 | Horscht | anyways, I think having a Tag that prevents upscaling (d as kugel mentioned) is fair enough |
17:33:22 | GodEater | markun: with what ? |
17:33:30 | markun | the Gigabeat S port |
17:34:08 | n1s | markun: no ums mode is a big annoyance |
17:34:11 | GodEater | erm - we need some more low level people working on it - it really *needs* the UMS from the USB stack to make it workable |
17:34:18 | markun | n1s: ah yes |
17:34:26 | GodEater | we can't transfer an entire .rockbox tree yet for example |
17:34:41 | markun | did anyone start adapting the USB code for the Gigabeat? |
17:34:50 | GodEater | Nico_P had a look, but it's over his head |
17:34:56 | GodEater | and if it's over his head, it's sure as hell over mine |
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17:35:23 | linuxstb | GodEater: A relatively easy hack would be to incorporate an "untar" feature in the bootloader - so instead of searching the OF files for a rockbox binary, it would look for a .tar, untar it, then delete it. |
17:35:39 | GodEater | linuxstb: strangely I was just thinking that too |
17:36:09 | dan_a | How easy are Gigabeat Ss to get hold of nowadays? |
17:36:23 | GodEater | dan_a: there was a recent glut of them on ebay |
17:36:31 | GodEater | recent being "about a month ago" |
17:36:38 | GodEater | I've not looked more recently than that |
17:37:34 | gevaerts | It should be pretty straightforward though, as far as I know only usb_init_device() and usb_pin_detect() from usb-fw-pp502x.c need to be redone for iMX31. It's probably mostly a question of someone trying things out. |
17:39:02 | gevaerts | So it's basically finding out which device-enable bit controls usb, and which GPIO bit has the plugin-detection. |
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17:39:51 | * | GodEater resolves to read the reference manual again |
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17:41:53 | gevaerts | Once it starts to work usb-drv-pp502x.c will need to be moved, since it is not actually portalplayer-specific |
17:46:39 | gevaerts | Maybe someone needs to start by verifying if the controller appears at 0x43F88000 like the spec says. |
17:49:23 | Nico_P | GodEater, linuxstb: I hadn't thought of the tar idea |
17:49:52 | GodEater | I'll admit I was thinking more of "unzip" than "untar" - but it was the same concept |
17:49:57 | Nico_P | an untar plugin should be quite easy to weite |
17:50:04 | Nico_P | unzip is harder |
17:50:08 | GodEater | hehe |
17:50:13 | GodEater | how you going to run the plugin ? :) |
17:50:18 | GodEater | you've got to get it to the S first |
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17:50:35 | GodEater | you need to put it in the bootloader like linuxstb said |
17:50:57 | n1s | GodEater: it seems from the block diagram that usb-detect is done by the pm and afaik spi isn't working so we can't talk to the pm... |
17:51:09 | * | Nico_P stupid |
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17:51:46 | Nico_P | GodEater: not necessarily in the BL, the core would do fine |
17:52:04 | GodEater | or that |
17:52:11 | GodEater | although that would be messier |
17:52:25 | GodEater | the rockbox.gigabeat wouldn't be in the .rockbox dir you extracted |
17:52:38 | GodEater | I have to shoot off now |
17:52:43 | GodEater | talk to you guys later |
17:52:43 | saratoga | is it possible to replace the screen on a gigabeat S? |
17:52:56 | linuxstb | It would also make it easier - you can remove the search for rockbox.gigabeat from the bootloader, and just do the untar check before looking for it. |
17:53:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, makes sense |
17:53:45 | linuxstb | And if the bootloader deleted the .tar file, then subsequent boots would have no files to search |
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17:54:38 | Nico_P | I thought of that too, but I'm not sure the MTP DB would pick that up |
17:54:46 | * | DerPapst waves at the rockbox folks |
17:55:05 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Would it matter? Or would the MTP database get upset? |
17:55:28 | Nico_P | I don't know. I guess it needs testing. Also do tar files have a recognizable header? |
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18:00:54 | toffe82 | saratoga: yes you can replace the lcd but it is hard to find one |
18:02:04 | saratoga | toffe82: thanks |
18:02:28 | linuxstb | Nico_P: They should have "ustar" at offset 0x101. |
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18:03:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I think I'll try that now unless you intend to$ |
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18:06:11 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No, I've no time at the moment. The tar format is very simple though - basically just a 512 byte header, then file 1 (padded to 512 bytes), then another 512 byte header, then file 2 etc |
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18:06:46 | linuxstb | There's no "global" header - so "cat file1.tar file2.tar > file3.tar" gives you a valid tar file. |
18:06:47 | Nico_P | yes, and there already is some code to deal with it (that you wrote) |
18:08:35 | linuxstb | Yes - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6571 |
18:09:31 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Ah, you played with that patch as well ;) |
18:09:50 | Nico_P | yes :) |
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18:10:35 | kugel | Nico_P, linuxstb: AFAIK there was a tar plugin on the tracker (I think it even featured gz) |
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18:13:51 | Nico_P | kugel: FS #7807 ? AFAICS it only does g(un)zip |
18:14:12 | kugel | Nico_P: Yea, I meant that. I just noticed too, that it doesn't tar |
18:16:51 | kugel | Nico_P: But there's written, that it is configured for reading .tgz |
18:17:27 | kugel | isn't .tgz a gzip'd tar? |
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18:17:33 | krazykit | yes it is |
18:17:49 | kugel | So, it's probably able to read tar as well |
18:18:40 | Nico_P | kugel: I think I'll keep it simple and stick to tar |
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18:21:37 | kugel | Nico_P: Sure, I'd stick to tar only too, at least as having in the core is concerned |
18:23:44 | linuxstb | kugel: We're just talking about a temporary hack for the Gigabeat S bootloader |
18:23:51 | kugel | I know |
18:24:07 | linuxstb | And it's not in the core, it's in the bootloader. |
18:24:36 | kugel | "Nico_P: GodEater: not necessarily in the BL, the core would do fine" |
18:25:15 | kugel | Anyway, I could've written core/bootloader, the point is the same (at least for me) |
18:25:26 | Nico_P | kugel: I now think putting it in the BL is a better idea |
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18:34:27 | * | petur is looking for an h300 bootloader patching specialist |
18:35:03 | petur | scramble tells me "This doesn't look like a valid decoded iHP firmware - reason: file 'length' data" |
18:36:20 | petur | descramble and mkboot didn't report errors |
18:36:37 | petur | some checksum thing I have to disable somewhere? |
18:38:11 | SSnake | petur what do u need? |
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18:38:27 | SSnake | maybe i can be of some help |
18:38:45 | petur | I'm trying to build & patch my own h300 bootloader |
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18:39:00 | SSnake | did u follow the wiki? |
18:39:11 | petur | yes |
18:39:28 | SSnake | i mean the scramble -"option etc" |
18:40:01 | SSnake | it needs a -h300 option if i'm not wrong |
18:40:02 | petur | ../tools/scramble -iriver h300_patched.bin H300_patched.hex |
18:40:34 | petur | oh wait - mkboot had a wrong argument |
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18:40:37 | SSnake | (actually don't remeber the correct option) |
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18:40:41 | SSnake | :> |
18:40:44 | * | petur kicks head |
18:40:53 | linuxstb | SSnake: How's your game coming along? |
18:41:02 | SSnake | my game is finished |
18:41:16 | SSnake | @ petur: i told you because i've had the same problem |
18:41:20 | linuxstb | Have you posted a patch? |
18:41:30 | petur | worked fine now, thanks |
18:41:35 | SSnake | @petur: and the story is: alway look twice |
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18:42:04 | * | petur goes flashing the bootloader and hopes all goes well :) |
18:42:05 | SSnake | no nothing, i didn't register either |
18:42:18 | SSnake | the story is this: |
18:42:42 | SSnake | i'm developing a porting from a linux game to rockbox |
18:42:50 | SSnake | it's a thesis project |
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18:43:08 | SSnake | now the porting is over (and it's quite nice) |
18:43:24 | SSnake | and i have to let my teacher see it first |
18:43:49 | petur | filesize went from 2,5MB to 4MB - does that sound OK? |
18:43:55 | SSnake | then i'll make my thesis, clean the code, add some sound support and commit to svn |
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18:44:27 | hcs | cool, what game? |
18:44:37 | SSnake | it will be a surprise :> |
18:44:52 | hcs | aww |
18:44:58 | SSnake | all i can say it's a great old shool '80 platform game |
18:45:18 | SSnake | was one of my favourite games on my c64 :> |
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18:46:10 | * | petur discovers his iriver has a flat battery - better charge before flashing |
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18:47:56 | mrfree | hi all |
18:48:21 | mrfree | is there a plugin to add ARM support to rockbox? |
18:48:46 | SSnake | arm support? |
18:48:56 | mrfree | oops... amr :) |
18:48:57 | SSnake | do u mean to compile for arm cpu? |
18:49:07 | mrfree | amr audio file |
18:49:09 | krazykit | mrfree, do a search. if you don't see one, it doesn't exist. |
18:49:24 | SSnake | never heard about that |
18:50:18 | mrfree | it is usually used on cellphones |
18:53:16 | linuxstb | mrfree: Seems there is no open source decoder for AMR - ffmpeg (which would have it if it exists) relies on libamr |
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18:54:01 | * | gevaerts feels like an idiot |
18:54:18 | mrfree | ok, I'll convert it in ogg using mplayer ;) |
18:54:38 | rasher | gevaerts: any breakthrough-by-not-being-a-fool? |
18:55:13 | linuxstb | rasher: Maybe he just left his DAP at work... |
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18:55:27 | gevaerts | rasher: it's not a big issue. Just that UMS didn't work anymore because I forgot that I had disabled this force-full-speed thing earlier for other tests |
18:55:43 | gevaerts | linuxstb: it's not that bad. I did forget the usb cable at home today though |
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18:59:56 | SSnake | bye all |
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19:01:33 | preglow | i assume wavpack files work fine on x5? |
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19:02:26 | * | linuxstb would assume so do |
19:02:32 | linuxstb | s/do/too/ |
19:02:42 | * | linuxstb scratches head and wonders why his brain typed that |
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19:03:09 | preglow | can someone on x5 test a wavpack file? |
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19:03:37 | * | petur crosses fingers |
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19:04:15 | petur | phew |
19:04:18 | preglow | works fine on h120, so don't really see how it can fail |
19:05:34 | moos | preglow: hi, if you have a test file I can test that quickly now |
19:06:24 | moos | but can't think any reason why it will not work just for x5 |
19:06:51 | preglow | well, i'll see if i can find a short clip |
19:08:27 | preglow | moos: www.pvv.org/~thomj/wv.wv |
19:08:44 | moos | ok let's see... |
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19:11:45 | asdrubal | #rockbox-community |
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19:17:32 | moos | preglow: all is fine here |
19:19:21 | moos | what is the bug suposed to be? |
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19:22:45 | preglow | moos: crash |
19:22:51 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8389 |
19:22:54 | preglow | moos: thanks for testing |
19:23:15 | moos | you can close the task, no problemo |
19:24:46 | moos | maybe he have problematic file |
19:24:52 | moos | +s |
19:25:10 | preglow | i won't close it, but i'll ask him to test that file as well |
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19:28:02 | moos | don't know if he tested with files generated by recording, x5 can record |
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19:29:36 | rasher | jhMikeS: Why does the e200 use the left/right buttons for seeking in mpegplayer? Feels awfully wrong since you have to flip the device to watch the movie |
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19:48:21 | rasher | 12 complete translations.. |
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19:53:13 | gevaerts | I shouldn't have done more than one not-entirely-stable thing at the same time |
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20:06:46 | XavierGr | petur: yeah that size is correct, all my bootloaders are around 3.99MB |
20:07:22 | petur | XavierGr: flashed and partially working (still ata -80) |
20:07:58 | XavierGr | petur: also try to fiddle with the bootloader after the instructions that load the OF, in my little experience (when I was trying to see where the bootloader hangs) it is pretty failsafe and even if you code something silly you can still load the OF if you didn't touch that part |
20:08:26 | * | petur is reading CF specs atm ;) |
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20:12:47 | jac0b-work | using the multifont patch my menu is using the system font even through I specified a custom font is there something that I am missing |
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20:15:31 | jac0b-work | here is my cfg file http://pastebin.com/d39400384 |
20:15:35 | JdGordon|w | jac0b-work: 1) the work suffix is |w and 2) you know we dont support custom builds |
20:16:24 | markun | work suffix?? |
20:16:38 | * | JdGordon|w was being silly :p |
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20:17:30 | markun | JdGordon|w: I read the irc guidelines just now to be sure ;) |
20:17:54 | JdGordon|w | haha its not actually in it is it? |
20:18:17 | jac0b|w | I thought I would ask since I was flamed for posting comments on flyspray |
20:18:21 | markun | no, I don't see anything which forbids changing your nick all the time |
20:18:42 | markun | jac0b|w: people like flaming |
20:18:57 | jac0b|w | I have noticed |
20:19:21 | jac0b|w | but its okay I should have read the past comments and some of my questions would have been explained |
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20:20:06 | Buschel | amiconn/jhMike: one of you there? |
20:20:18 | JdGordon|w | certain types of comments on the tracker are infuriating... so if your comment was one of them I have no sympathy |
20:20:56 | jac0b|w | it probably was |
20:21:09 | Llorean | From the fact you admitted that you didn't read past comments first.... yeah... |
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20:22:44 | jac0b|w | very ttrue |
20:23:23 | jac0b|w | now I know. And knowing is half the battle :) |
20:23:57 | kugel | jac0b|w: This is obviously an issue which is not discussed in the tracker, it's ok to post that once. |
20:25:16 | jac0b|w | yeah I accidentally posted the same thing twice. I wish there was a delete option for posts |
20:25:32 | kugel | jac0b|w: I assume removing the viewport.c hunk was not enough, use a version which doesn't need viewport lists, i.e. "multifont-20080108a.patch" is what I am using without viewports list |
20:26:51 | jac0b|w | thanks but I don't care about the hunk errors just as long as I know they are not needed |
20:27:52 | kugel | jac0b|w: Please understand me. No hunk errors doesn't mean the patch is working! |
20:28:08 | jac0b|w | I am thinking of maybe adding the list_viewports to my build |
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20:29:18 | jac0b|w | it had a problem when I first added it with the background freezing |
20:29:48 | jac0b|w | kugel: very true |
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20:30:29 | jac0b|w | I got that with the disable wps updating patch |
20:30:44 | kugel | And in the same way, ignoring hunks you don't need doesn't mean the patch is working. Especially when the patch relies on another one you didn't add |
20:31:34 | jac0b|w | kugel: ah that could be why my menu font is not working |
20:32:25 | kugel | That's what I'm trying to tell you... |
20:32:58 | jac0b|w | kugel: thanks I will try it when I get home |
20:33:19 | jac0b|w | I tried instaling cygwin here at work but the comp is licked down |
20:33:29 | jac0b|w | locked* |
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20:34:17 | jac0b|w | I do have the admin pw but I don't was to abuse it or get busted |
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20:35:01 | Buschel | when crossfading is used -> are there two decoder instancies used? if so -> can both boost the cpu? |
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20:40:35 | Buschel | and third question: are these instancies running both on CPU or on CPU/COP? |
20:41:18 | preglow | Buschel: no |
20:41:19 | n1s | afaik only one decoder runs |
20:41:31 | preglow | decoding is done very far in advance |
20:41:44 | preglow | and only one decoder is ever run |
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20:41:49 | preglow | no overlap between instances |
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20:42:22 | preglow | crossfading is quite simply achieved by pre-buffering the output of the entire fadeout |
20:42:51 | Buschel | preglow: so, when crossfading from mp3 to ogg -> mp3 pre-decodes to the end (buffered) and next track will be started to decode then |
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20:43:22 | preglow | Buschel: yes, afaik |
20:44:29 | Buschel | hmm, do you have any idea why the power management change shall have any impact on crossfading? before asking my questions i thought about boosting from several instancies... |
20:45:41 | Buschel | FS #8597 |
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20:57:18 | * | gevaerts also forgot to define USE_ROCKBOX_USB |
20:58:02 | rasher | gevaerts: Welcome to the clup |
20:58:05 | rasher | club* |
20:59:50 | * | bluebrother just forgot that too. |
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21:00:02 | gevaerts | unfortunately there seem to be more issues than that in my current code |
21:01:36 | amiconn | Buschel: Here now. |
21:01:47 | * | gevaerts notices that there seem to be many people testing this patch who don't report problems |
21:01:52 | * | gevaerts thinks that is a good sign |
21:02:10 | * | amiconn still needs an identify dump from a nano |
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21:04:19 | scorche|w | amiconn: if you give me a patch, i can do it in...6-ish hours |
21:05:01 | preglow | i have a nano |
21:05:03 | preglow | what is needed? |
21:05:05 | amiconn | obo: I wonder why you changed backlight behaviour. A while ago, I purposely changed backlight behaviour on shutdown. It should stay on until the hardware cuts power, in order to verify that it did shut down for real, and didn't hang |
21:05:19 | bertrik | it should be simple using a software USB sniffer |
21:05:23 | amiconn | preglow: The ata identify info block, in raw binary form |
21:05:39 | preglow | amiconn: how do i access this? i am in windows right now, but shall be in linux in a couple of hours |
21:05:51 | bertrik | oh ATA, sorry |
21:06:01 | amiconn | I want to check whether it's possible to teach the ata driver only to use certain features after checking they're supported by the disk |
21:06:27 | amiconn | -> No more special ifdefing for nano, or cf card mods. Also cleaner |
21:07:26 | preglow | amiconn: does sound sweet, but how do i go about getting this information? |
21:07:49 | * | amiconn will prepare a (dead simple) patch |
21:08:14 | preglow | amiconn: i can't use a patch right now, though, so if you want immediate results, you'll have to give me a build |
21:08:33 | preglow | if not, i can do my own build in a few hours |
21:09:23 | Lear | Buschel: Far fetched perhaps, but your patch does affect audio hardware, afaict... |
21:09:24 | bluebrother | gevaerts: current patch reports hard disc model and firmware revision instead of "Apple iPod" on my mini. I guess this is intended? |
21:09:46 | bluebrother | and OF reports ANSI: 0 while your patch reports 3. |
21:12:00 | gevaerts | bluebrother: we could change the model name, but that could lead to an explosion of ifdefs. There was some discussion a few days ago about this |
21:12:32 | bluebrother | gevaerts: missed that. But I have no objections to reporting the drive model |
21:13:14 | gevaerts | bluebrother: the ANSI version should be 3. Reporting 0 makes the job harder for the OS for no good reason (note that we actually don't support all needed commands yet to be compliant with what we claim) |
21:16:17 | gevaerts | bluebrother: we had a discussion earlier today, and those involved then (linuxstb, Zagor and me) agreed that standards compliance is more important than exactly mimicking the OF |
21:17:34 | bluebrother | I absolutely agree. |
21:17:41 | * | bluebrother goes checking the logs |
21:17:53 | gevaerts | We were mostly talking about the usb serial number then |
21:17:53 | amiconn | preglow: Are you running a recent rockbox? |
21:18:12 | preglow | amiconn: four-five days old |
21:18:17 | amiconn | Would save me a bit of compilation time as I would the only 'make bin' |
21:19:38 | amiconn | Okay, last api change was earlier than that (1 Feb) |
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21:24:56 | obo | amiconn: it's purely cosmetic to get rid of the white flash - would a call to _backlight_led_off() be better? |
21:25:21 | amiconn | The backlight should stay on - that's what was intended |
21:25:47 | amiconn | Yes it causes a short white flash (noticeability depends on what background you're using normally) |
21:26:14 | obo | yes - I really noticed it today using cabbiev2 |
21:27:27 | amiconn | But switching the backlight off would cause the battery to be emptied without even noticeing, if the shutdown hangs after switching the light off |
21:27:39 | amiconn | Now tell me what's better... |
21:27:57 | obo | well, apart from the Nano you get a fairly noticable HDD spin down? |
21:28:10 | amiconn | Not if no setting was changed |
21:28:20 | amiconn | Then the disk doesn't spin at all |
21:29:03 | amiconn | And btw, the flash to white only happens on Video afaik. All other targets don't clear the lcd on shutdown, hence no flash |
21:30:11 | obo | They don't? The existing code was #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR... |
21:30:31 | obo | Also, the flyspray report was for a Nano |
21:31:12 | amiconn | Maybe nano too, but certainly no others |
21:31:57 | amiconn | All other colour targets have LCDs of the pitch-black type, hence no white flash, if the lcd is shut down properly |
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21:33:36 | amiconn | A while ago I made the backlight thread disable its timeout on shutdown for exactly that reason - to have reliable feedback that the device really shut down |
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21:33:57 | obo | what do you mean by "if the lcd is shut down properly"? |
21:34:23 | amiconn | I mean that the lcd is being shut down via its controller |
21:34:43 | BigBambi | My gigabeat hung on shutdown a few times a while back, having the backlight stay on would have been very helpful |
21:34:50 | amiconn | The lcds of all colour targets except Video and Nano are of the 'normally black' type |
21:36:04 | amiconn | BigBambi: It does in all recent builds before today, unless the gigabeat shutdown code also contains code that defeats this safety measure |
21:36:12 | amiconn | Like the code obo added today :\ |
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21:37:05 | amiconn | preglow: amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-nano-core.zip">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-nano-core.zip |
21:37:16 | preglow | screen flashing white? |
21:37:16 | amiconn | You'll find an extra menu item in the debug menu |
21:37:18 | * | preglow never saw that |
21:37:39 | obo | Well, the white flash is a by-product of trying to make sure there is no ghosting on shutdown... |
21:38:02 | obo | amiconn: when you did you recent LCD work, did you find a more graceful way to do the same thing? |
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21:38:19 | amiconn | What 'same thing' |
21:38:20 | amiconn | ? |
21:38:40 | obo | making sure there is no ghosting when powering off |
21:38:50 | amiconn | The backlight staying on was was introduced on purpose |
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21:39:47 | amiconn | And the Video LCD is of the normally white type, so there's no way to prevent that white flash without killing that safety measure |
21:40:14 | BigBambi | amiconn: This was quite a long time ago |
21:40:50 | BigBambi | But nonetheless it should remain in my inconsequential opinion |
21:40:59 | amiconn | But if this is really wanted (sacrificing safety for prettiness), it should at least be kept to those targets which really experience it (i.e. Video and *maybe* nano) |
21:41:06 | Llorean | BigBambi: Which should remain. |
21:41:25 | preglow | amiconn: only new entry i can find is "debug scrollwheel" |
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21:41:38 | Llorean | I definitely think the backlight should stay down during shutdown. The white flash isn't harmful, and knowing when your device is actually *off* is kinda beneficial. |
21:42:01 | amiconn | preglow: Ahem... the #ifndef I checked is set for nano, grr |
21:42:02 | * | Bagder will now start setting the toppost-whiners moderated on the mailing list |
21:42:21 | BigBambi | Llorean: I mean the backlight staying on until actual shutdown, not turn off before so that you know when it is really off should remain |
21:42:32 | amiconn | preglow: Sorry, will prepare a new build |
21:42:43 | Llorean | Bagder: I even tried to be very, very polite this time to the first one. =/ |
21:42:49 | * | gevaerts has been compiling one binary and testing another for the last 10 minutes |
21:43:05 | Bagder | Llorean: it seems this happens _every_ time someone mentions this |
21:43:21 | * | petur disables reset_screen so he can actually read the debug info he's printing :/ |
21:43:32 | amiconn | Llorean: That's what the code did before obo's commits today |
21:43:45 | amiconn | (except if the backlight is set to "always off") |
21:43:47 | Llorean | amiconn: I know, I was speaking that I'm on your side here. |
21:43:53 | BigBambi | So was I |
21:44:09 | * | obo gets ready to revert... |
21:44:25 | preglow | gevaerts: i do that all the time :P |
21:44:27 | Llorean | Bagder: I understand the "you're interrupting the thread" argument from their point of view. And I could send private emails, but I do see some value in making it public as long as it's polite, to help remind everyone. |
21:44:49 | Llorean | Bagder: Another option is to just take down names, and once a month have a warning email on rule issues, but I suspect it'd just never get read. |
21:45:11 | amiconn | preglow: Same URL, new build. Sorry again. |
21:45:16 | Bagder | yeah, I've thought about monthly posts etc but I think it won't help much |
21:45:42 | Llorean | I suspect people won't read those under the assumption "my name won't be in there" |
21:45:47 | preglow | amiconn: no worries, will try now |
21:45:54 | * | bluebrother is tempted to write a response to that top-posting thread ... |
21:46:13 | Bagder | 866 susbcribers right now btw |
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21:47:49 | BigBambi | I look at the mailing list archives from time to time, shudder, and resolve to not look again, let alone subscribe |
21:47:50 | preglow | amiconn: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/identify_info.bin |
21:48:43 | amiconn | Thanks, got it |
21:48:47 | obo | amiconn: reverted |
21:49:08 | n1s | BigBambi: I unsubscribed from the user list quite quickly after realising my mistake :) |
21:49:26 | amiconn | obo: Perhaps we could set brightness to minimum in order to reduce the white flash effect |
21:49:35 | amiconn | That would still keep the safety measure intact |
21:49:56 | BigBambi | n1s: :) |
21:50:30 | obo | amiconn: that's true - I'll give it a test |
21:51:35 | amiconn | obo: Would be applicable to Video & Nano then. |
21:51:55 | amiconn | The only 2 that might need it - rather convenient... |
21:51:56 | preglow | amiconn: any surprises in it |
21:51:57 | obo | amiconn: yes, I was just typing that #if in :) |
21:52:24 | amiconn | preglow: Patience... need to check whether I need to byte-swap before reading it |
21:52:36 | amiconn | My reference is from H180 which is big endian |
21:53:04 | amiconn | markun: around? |
21:55:44 | * | gevaerts wants to know ehy his sansa hangs when he tries to enable serial and mass storage at the same time |
21:57:15 | petur | hmmmm the non-working CF reports it supports PIO 4 but setting it seems to fail |
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21:58:12 | SliMM | i have some sort of a problem with initializing/updating the database |
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21:58:59 | SliMM | iPod 5G 30 GB |
21:59:35 | SliMM | if the iPod is not connected to a power source, the initialization/update drains all the battery |
21:59:46 | SliMM | is this supposed to happen? |
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22:00:27 | SliMM | btw, i really enjoy the pp502x power-saving patch |
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22:02:18 | Horscht | yeah, Buschel did some nice work there :) |
22:02:22 | obo | amiconn: changing the brightness doesn't make that great a difference - I'll just leave it as-is |
22:03:19 | SliMM | Horscht: wouldn't disabeling the display be even better? |
22:03:46 | Horscht | disabling the display would save battery, but it would stop usability |
22:04:16 | SliMM | Horscht: not with an option like "disable display on hold" or smth |
22:04:47 | Horscht | I think there is something like that in FS |
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22:05:26 | SliMM | oh, i really have to get rid of windows |
22:05:40 | SliMM | starting the virtual machine is a pain |
22:06:31 | kugel | SliMM: What program? |
22:06:59 | SliMM | kugel: sorry? |
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22:07:13 | kugel | which virtual machine program |
22:07:19 | SliMM | vmware player |
22:07:27 | bluebrother | LCDs don't require much power. The backlight does. |
22:07:57 | SliMM | kugel: by "a pain" means i don't enjoy it, not that it is difficult :) |
22:08:16 | SliMM | bluebrother: no, but rendering WPSs do |
22:08:19 | SliMM | does* |
22:08:31 | bluebrother | still, it's not much. |
22:08:35 | kugel | I thought you mean pain as in allways having some sort of trouble when starting a vm |
22:08:53 | * | bluebrother likes having Windows available in a VM running on linux |
22:08:56 | kugel | I had bad trouble when I started a vm some time ago |
22:09:27 | SliMM | kugel: ah, no, i just don't feel like coding anymore after opening the virtual machine |
22:09:35 | kugel | hehe |
22:11:16 | amiconn | hmpf |
22:11:26 | * | preglow pours himself an imperial porter |
22:11:35 | amiconn | identify info dumps from le targets are indeed byte-swapped |
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22:12:27 | SliMM | no idea about the db issue? |
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22:13:31 | bluebrother | SliMM: maybe some file has a broken tag that crashes the db scan? Have you checked the db status in the debug menu? |
22:13:48 | rasher | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7894 - re. your post on -dev |
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22:14:02 | rasher | Not that there aren't still a million issues |
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22:14:47 | SliMM | bluebrother: whell, the progress was -1%, that's true, but maybe it's not a dash that indicates the negative value |
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22:15:52 | SliMM | should i give it another try and tell you the results? |
22:15:55 | bluebrother | rasher: that would make the sim more user-friendly and I think it's worth looking into it. Still, I don't thing integrating the sim into rbutil is feasible |
22:16:30 | rasher | bluebrother: I do agree with that. I was just reminded |
22:16:33 | bluebrother | SliMM: you should keep an eye on the filename it displays. Try removing that file and see if it goes further |
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22:17:10 | SliMM | bluebrother: it didn't stick to one file |
22:17:20 | SliMM | let me do it again |
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22:18:31 | SliMM | bluebrother: Progress: -1% (%d entries) |
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22:18:35 | SliMM | is this normal? |
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22:19:32 | bluebrother | I'm not that familiar with the db. I think it happened in the past, not sure if that still happens. |
22:20:20 | SliMM | ok, i'll plug the iPod back in then, i want my DB to be up-to-date :-) |
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22:21:49 | gevaerts | Does anyone here know why there usb_init_device() in usb-fw-pp502x.c is reading and writing to 0x7000002C and 0x70000028 ? |
22:21:56 | SliMM | bluebrother: does the hold button (on the iPod) phisically disable the buttons? |
22:22:20 | SliMM | physically* |
22:22:28 | bluebrother | no |
22:22:38 | bluebrother | unless my memory serves me wrong ;-) |
22:22:55 | SliMM | so it's just software? |
22:23:08 | scorche|w | i thought it was hardware on the ipods.. |
22:23:25 | broom | Hello. A couple of days ago, something about database.ignore has been committed to the rockbox manual. But I can't find the piece in the manual. I've searched the online manual but could not find it. Where is it? Could someone help please? |
22:23:28 | SliMM | ah.. |
22:23:50 | bluebrother | scorche|w: iirc the hold switch is used in doom. |
22:24:25 | scorche|w | bluebrother: but wasnt it just to activate the menu? |
22:24:34 | SliMM | bluebrother: yes, but you have to use it twice, if you just leave the hold on, you can't use the other buttons |
22:24:43 | amiconn | The hold switch disables the buttons in hardware, but it can be read itself |
22:25:08 | bluebrother | ah, so my memory was wrong. Sorry. |
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22:26:32 | * | scorche|w nods |
22:27:08 | amiconn | preglow: One thing I found is that the Nano flash disk supports the advanced power management feature set, but it isn't enabled. |
22:27:53 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with the freeze when sending the sleep command, but we should probably enable that feature if we program it for minimum power in set_features() ... |
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22:28:48 | amiconn | Identify word 86 bit 3 |
22:31:24 | broom | Hm... I've found the text about db.ignore in the SVN manual but it's not in the 'compiled' manual. Is something wrong with the build script? |
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22:33:09 | broom | It is in tagcache.tex |
22:33:17 | amiconn | preglow: I'm a bit puzzled, btw. The ata driver *does* send the sleep command on nano. However, it doesn't use soft reset on wakeup |
22:34:53 | amiconn | eh? We do enable advanced power management if it's supported, yet the nano reports it as supported but not enabled?? |
22:35:00 | JdGordon|w | broom: the manuals are only compiled once a day (iirc) so depnds when that was changed it might not be up yet |
22:35:42 | pixelma | broom: you're right, the manuals state they are of yesterday (13th) so it seems today's daily is missing |
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22:36:25 | petur | amiconn: do you have a good CF spec sheet? mine here seems to miss a few bits |
22:36:48 | amiconn | I only have the ata specs (ata 5, 6 and 7) |
22:36:57 | * | Bagder builds the manuals manually to see if something is weird |
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22:37:39 | pixelma | Bagder: does the script use "make manual" or only "make" in a manual configured build? |
22:37:43 | petur | I'm looking at the CF spec 4.0 and thereś no mention of the upper bits of word 83 |
22:37:45 | Bagder | aha |
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22:37:54 | pixelma | Bagder: see n1s's changes |
22:38:00 | Bagder | yes it does |
22:38:21 | Bagder | yes, now I remember reading that |
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22:38:49 | * | pixelma wants a cookie now, too :) |
22:38:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
22:39:29 | * | n1s feels stupid for forgetting to check... |
22:40:20 | Bagder | fresh manuals for everyone soon available |
22:40:36 | scorche|w | pixelma: http://www.davidscookies.com/index.cfm?action=product&productid=383 |
22:40:38 | petur | amiconn: while you're also looking in the spec sheets: the failing CF has 82=0x7008 and 83=0x400C |
22:40:39 | n1s | nice :) |
22:41:01 | pixelma | scorche: thanks :) |
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22:43:19 | amiconn | petur: Looks quite normal. The Nano has 82=0x7069 and 83=0x4008 |
22:43:54 | preglow | amiconn: i think the soft reset is what hangs |
22:44:16 | petur | I'm adding more debug info to find which feature fails |
22:44:23 | amiconn | For comparison, Mini G2 (microdrive) has 82=0x7069 and 83=0x500c |
22:44:46 | amiconn | preglow: According to the #ifdefs in ata.c it is - but I wonder why |
22:45:02 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, yes, i remember i debugged it once and discovered that was the reason |
22:45:04 | amiconn | Software reset support is mandatory for ata devices according to the specs |
22:45:07 | preglow | amiconn: i have _no_ idea why |
22:45:20 | preglow | lots of things is weird with nano ata |
22:45:29 | preglow | among other the kick-ass slowness... |
22:45:44 | amiconn | Hmm, but if we find no clean way to autodetect, that hack needs to stay, which is bad |
22:45:54 | linuxstb | Could the init be wrong? IIRC, no r-e was done for the Nano - the existing ipod driver was used as it was. |
22:45:55 | * | gevaerts just uploaded another patch without any spectacular changes |
22:46:07 | amiconn | A usual hdd needs this reset in order to return from sleep mode |
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22:47:17 | cow__ | Hello. |
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22:47:48 | amiconn | I have a suspicion though |
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22:47:59 | preglow | amiconn: pray tell |
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22:48:20 | Kevalar | hey, (other than batterylife) does playing with the boost/frequency harm the player? like overclocking a PC? |
22:48:28 | amiconn | The Nano flash disk probably reacts to the reset just fine - but then falls back to its default pio mode, which is not pio4, and hence our timings are wrong |
22:48:28 | preglow | Kevalar: no |
22:48:33 | cow__ | This is the IRC channel for the Rockbox project, right? |
22:48:39 | preglow | amiconn: sounds very logical, yes |
22:48:43 | amiconn | So any further communication will fails |
22:48:45 | preglow | cow__: correct |
22:48:50 | cow__ | Cool. |
22:48:52 | BigBambi | Kevalar: You are actually underclocking and running normally, not normal + overclocking |
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22:49:10 | cow__ | I don't know much about this kind of stuff, but I was searching around on the internet and stumbled upon it. |
22:49:24 | BigBambi | In that case, I direct you to our fine manual |
22:49:25 | amiconn | We need to reset our timings to pio0, do the reset, program the fastest available pio mode, and then adjust our timings, in order to have it correctly working for all ata disks |
22:49:44 | preglow | amiconn: well, how much do we know about the pp ata regs? :/ |
22:49:57 | amiconn | If it's really that, then it is pure luck that the toshiba disks don't care |
22:50:11 | cow__ | I checked the list and my current mp3 player isn't supported at the moment, so I think I might try to get an old iPod and get it working... I've been wanting a media device with .ogg support for a while. Manual? |
22:50:28 | preglow | cow__: manual? |
22:50:35 | amiconn | preglow: Not that much yet, but that theory can be verified independent of pp ata register knowledge |
22:50:44 | cow__ | I don't know, I wasn't sure if BigBambi was talking to me. |
22:50:46 | BigBambi | cow__: From the left side of every page of www.rockbox.org is a link to our lovely manual |
22:50:47 | amiconn | petur: You're experimenting on iriver? |
22:50:48 | * | petur feels like a DJ, swapping hdd and CF all the time |
22:50:52 | petur | yup |
22:50:55 | Kevalar | I have the boost set a 1, so the MHz is at 80000000 or somthing like that. So there are no adverse effects of doing so? |
22:50:58 | BigBambi | cow__: I anticipated a question :) |
22:51:00 | petur | to get my CF working |
22:51:03 | preglow | amiconn: can you read back transfer mode from the hd/flash bridge? |
22:51:03 | cow__ | Alright. I'll take a look at it, thanks. |
22:51:10 | BigBambi | Kevalar: no |
22:51:13 | amiconn | Then you could try to verify that theory... on cf we *do* know how to program the timing |
22:52:25 | petur | AHA |
22:52:35 | petur | the CF is failing on powermanagement |
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22:53:02 | petur | feature[0] goes wrong |
22:53:22 | amiconn | That's weird |
22:53:30 | RvX | hello |
22:53:32 | amiconn | It claims to support power management.... |
22:53:34 | * | gevaerts wonders if anyone actually ever tried high-speed usb support on anything other than sansa |
22:54:04 | petur | amiconn: maybe all SET_FEATURE calls go wrong, of course |
22:54:38 | RvX | I have a problem while compiling rockbox from source. When I type 'make', it stops with error: /usr/bin/am-elf-ld: cannot find -lgcc |
22:54:44 | amiconn | SET_FEATURES is mandatory |
22:55:41 | petur | I'll do a run without it then |
22:55:43 | amiconn | preglow: pm |
22:55:53 | RvX | What may be wrong with my configuration? |
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22:57:20 | n1s | RvX: do you have arm-elf-gcc installed and in your path? |
22:58:02 | RvX | n1s: I have it installed, but how to check if it is in my path? |
22:58:37 | n1s | does typing just "arm-elf-gcc" in the console find it? |
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22:58:52 | RvX | yup |
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22:59:13 | RvX | (arm-elf-gcc: no input files) |
22:59:26 | n1s | and you created a build dir inside your rockbox source tree and ran configure in it? |
22:59:37 | RvX | yes, I did |
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23:00:06 | Bagder | RvX: how did you install this toolchain? |
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23:01:37 | RvX | I did pacman -S cross-arm-elf-gcc-base (I'm on Archlinux) |
23:01:55 | Bagder | then I blame that |
23:02:09 | Bagder | I've never seen anyone miss libgcc before |
23:02:14 | petur | amiconn: now it boots :) |
23:02:27 | Bagder | RvX: rockboxdev.sh really is a better approach |
23:02:55 | Bagder | at least more proven |
23:03:01 | Bagder | for rockbox |
23:03:12 | RvX | where can I find it? |
23:03:33 | RvX | Oh, there it is |
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23:05:44 | RvX | I know then. |
23:05:55 | RvX | It's gcc version I was trying to use |
23:06:22 | Bagder | why would any version have problems with libgcc? |
23:06:37 | XavierGr | petur: boots and works without problems? |
23:07:06 | RvX | Bagder: I don't know, but there was similiar problem to mine before. |
23:07:10 | petur | I'm now building rockbox itslef, as it gives -80 at startup ;) |
23:07:19 | petur | *itself |
23:07:38 | * | petur also copies some music on it |
23:07:58 | RvX | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20070904 (and search for libgcc) |
23:07:59 | * | amiconn wonders why petur wants a CF card in an iriver |
23:08:04 | broom | Hrm. Now zipped html manual has gone! (on http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) |
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23:08:08 | amiconn | Other than for experimenting, I mean |
23:08:18 | petur | amiconn: my new field recorder |
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23:09:09 | petur | and nice volume upgrades in the future ;) |
23:09:55 | * | amiconn thinks that the irivers are way too big that they would make a good flash player |
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23:10:40 | * | XavierGr starts drumroll and waits for petur :p |
23:10:54 | * | petur unmounts |
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23:11:31 | FrankOtto | amiconn: i'm also trying to get CF in iriver working, mostly for added capacity; 32GB is now available |
23:12:07 | * | amiconn has an H180 and an H340, so CF wouldn't add capacity :) |
23:12:25 | petur | must have done something wrong, still -80 |
23:12:26 | FrankOtto | and compatible disks bigger than the original 20GB are impossible to obtain |
23:12:33 | RvX | Thanks for advice, Bagder. I'll try to deal with it later. Bye. |
23:12:38 | XavierGr | in fact I could use a cf card for my H115 in the car |
23:12:43 | XavierGr | I could use the extra space |
23:12:54 | XavierGr | petur: in bootloader or the firmware? |
23:13:00 | * | petur idiot |
23:13:03 | scorche|w | petur: could you hop into #rockbox-community for a moment? |
23:13:03 | FrankOtto | added advantages: faster seeks, longer battery runtime, lower weight, lower noise |
23:13:34 | FrankOtto | petur: good luck with your experiments! |
23:14:18 | amiconn | Put a CF card into the small H10. That would make a nice flash player.... |
23:14:24 | petur | I only removed set_features in the bootloader code :) |
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23:17:50 | petur | erm.. it was removed... /me puzzled |
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23:19:11 | FrankOtto | petur: are you doing your experiments with running rockbox.iriver from flash (instead of from disk), as n1s suggested some hours ago? |
23:19:29 | petur | no, regular bootloader flashing |
23:19:49 | FrankOtto | you are brave... |
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23:23:15 | petur | hmmmm it works almost |
23:23:23 | amiconn | Depends on how "precious" the device is for you... |
23:23:42 | petur | sometimes I can browse and play music, sometimes it doesn't respond |
23:23:43 | * | amiconn would probably do this kind of experiments with his H340, but not with his H180 |
23:24:09 | petur | I do this on my spare h320 ;) |
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23:24:36 | amiconn | Spare devices == good :) |
23:25:12 | niiko | Rockbox lets me flip the screen? I LOVE YOU GUYS! |
23:26:28 | petur | amiconn: this is strange: when I tap 'files', the disk icon flashes briefly but it doesn't do anything. Reboot it and it works ok |
23:27:02 | amiconn | Seems you experience the occasional hang on cf targets, just more often... |
23:27:18 | * | amiconn had one of those just today on his H180 |
23:28:03 | pixelma | petur: reboot or "need for a paper clip"? |
23:28:20 | amiconn | Paper clip I think |
23:28:28 | petur | it stays responsive, just will not browse at all |
23:28:39 | amiconn | Oh, then that's different |
23:28:46 | petur | "spinup time: 0ms" |
23:28:51 | pixelma | that's why I asked ;) |
23:29:10 | petur | hmmm IORDY support: no |
23:30:23 | petur | hrmm.. now it shows an emnpty root |
23:31:09 | n1s | sounds reliable ;P |
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23:51:04 | petur | hmmm just not setting the powermanagement features makes it more reliable, some things just make it freeze however :( |
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23:56:22 | FrankOtto | petur: nice to see you making progress :) maybe one has to disable powermgmt all over the place? |
23:57:30 | petur | I'm mailing A-Data for a datasheet. The powermanagement bit is on so it should work. I also need better CF or ATA specs... |