#rockbox 2008-02-14

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#rockbox log for 2008-02-14

00:00:12	stripwax	hello
00:00:41		Quit Kiro (Client Quit)
00:00:47	rasher	Wellthen.
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00:03:01	webguest70	hello?
00:03:07	stripwax	hello
00:03:19	*	stripwax finds this rather amusing
00:03:34	webguest70	how hard is it to reprogram MP3 Player?
00:03:39	stripwax	very
00:03:47	stripwax	webguest70 - which mp3 player?
00:03:48	webguest70	Ok
00:04:05	webguest70	Coby MP-C7082
00:04:47	stripwax	I don't think I've heard of that one before. Certainly rockbox doesn't currently run on it.. are you a developer?
00:05:00	webguest70	No. Not really
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00:05:20	LawliPop\|Len\|	If your file does not have the .mpg, .mpeg, .mpv or .m2v extension, you will need to use the "Open With..." context menu option and choose "mpegplayer". <<< http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
00:05:26	LawliPop\|Len\|	How would I go about doing this?
00:05:30	LawliPop\|Len\|	on a sansa e200
00:05:37	webguest70	Currently I am programming for FIRST Robotics competition
00:05:53	rasher	LawliPop\|Len\|: hold down the center button (called Select in documentation)
00:05:57	webguest70	I mean our own team
00:06:08	LawliPop\|Len\|	Ok, let me try that.
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00:06:33	rasher	LawliPop\|Len\|: Be aware though, that the file must still be an mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 movie.
00:06:45	webguest70	stripwax?
00:06:47	stripwax	webguest70 - do you know anything about the hardware that the Coby uses? i.e. is it even programmable?
00:07:10		Quit robin0800 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?")
00:07:33	webguest70	well they claim that if needed be, they will have firmware available for download on their website
00:07:39	webguest70	but they don't have anything
00:07:50	webguest70	and the firmware is really bad
00:08:36	*	gevaerts 's previous player also claimed firmware upgradability, but google hadn't ever heard of the brand...
00:08:52	stripwax	webguest70 - can you find out more about the hardware itself? what processor it has for example.
00:09:37	LawliPop\|Len\|	Hmm, looks like the video and sound is way off sync.
00:09:54	stripwax	webguest70 - does it have any firmware files (even if a file for the current version of the firmware is available would help identify its innards)
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00:11:20	webguest70	no
00:11:24	LawliPop\|Len\|	Made it show FPS, and it's really low (around 15-16fps).
00:11:33	LawliPop\|Len\|	Was working fine yesterday.
00:11:57	webguest70	I wish they did, because then I could try and re-download it
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00:12:42	Llorean	LawliPop\|Len\|: If you didn't know how to play it until you came in here and asked today, how was it working fine yesterday?
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00:13:06	LawliPop\|Len\|	I'm talking about another mpg file, not the one that I was just talking about.
00:13:32	webguest70	I can't seem to find anything online
00:14:18	tatsudoshi	hello guys. I am looking for a way contact the rb team to offer my assistance, so is this 'the' place?
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00:15:01	rasher	tatsudoshi: It's not a bad place, speak away. The rockbox-dev mailinglist is another option.
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00:15:21	stripwax	webguest70 - it sounds like you might be out of luck in that case, unless you are able to identify more about the hardware on your own (example: take it apart and take photos. you may not be willing to do that, of course!)
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00:15:40	Llorean	LawliPop\|Len\|: Well how did you encode the video that's having problems?
00:15:52	webguest70	I can do that but not right now
00:16:14	crzyboyster	What does everyone think of the new gigabeat version of cabbiev2? > http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8443 all the way at the bottom. Is it ready to commit and approved?
00:16:40	LawliPop\|Len\|	All I know was that it was converted through an rm converter at 220X176, 30fps, 196 bitrate, and don't remember the rest.
00:17:00	tatsudoshi	well I mainly do big pro web solutions (administrative systems) but have exp with java. Is rb in C(++) ?
00:17:30	webguest70	do you have another way I can contact you after cracking it open and snaping pictures?
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00:17:40	Llorean	LawliPop\|Len\|: Then it's a little hard for anyone to help you, since we can't know it if you don't know it. Why not try using one of the recommended means of converting in the wiki.
00:17:56	LawliPop\|Len\|	o
00:18:05	LawliPop\|Len\|	Whoops, I meant to say "ok".
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00:18:40	webguest70	do you have another way I can contact you after cracking it open and snaping pictures?
00:18:40	webguest70	stripwax -
00:19:08	webguest29	Hello, I am looking for the logs for yesterdays date. Where can I find it. I am in Indiana, so I dont know what the time difference is?!?
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00:19:21	scorche\|w	rockbox.org/irc
00:19:26	stripwax	another way? rockbox mailing list, irc, rockbox forums, .. all of those things should be sufficient. note you probably don't want/need to contact me - any interested developer would be interested in the information
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00:20:43	webguest70	Oh, OK Thanks
00:21:41	toffe82	webguest70: :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
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00:23:30	crzyboyster	I have noticed something odd about the brickmania game. A while ago (1-2 months maybe) the scrolling in the game was "smooth" and not "blocky" like it is right now. I remember when I first started using rockbox, the paddle scrolling was "blocky" and then some time ago it became "smooth" and now it's back to "blocky".Anyone know what I'm talking about and why it happened?
00:23:43	webguest70	OK
00:24:03	webguest29	not realy helpful. I looked through all of the reecent ones, but i couldent find the one i was looking for.
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00:24:33	scorche\|w	crzyboyster: are you playing music as well?
00:25:37	crzyboyster	Let me try it with or without that music on... and what does everyone think of committing the new gigabeat cabbiev2?
00:26:02	scorche\|w	is that a yes?
00:26:20	webguest29	I need to fin a post that was made at approximatley 10:00 my time pm
00:26:26	webguest29	Find
00:26:38	scorche\|w	webguest29: well, if it was said, it is in there..
00:26:43	webguest29	yesterday
00:26:53	Llorean	crzyboyster: Seriously, you don't need to ask about the theme over and over
00:26:59	webguest29	me/
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00:27:50	EZ-Surfer	jeez... this is killin me... can somebody tell me for sure... does the arm branch instruction b 0x30 set pc to 0x30 or does it set the pc to pc + 0x30?
00:27:55	crzyboyster	It happens both with and without the music on... and by "smooth" I mean like the "Brick" game in the original apple os
00:28:46	scorche\|w	huh?
00:29:36	stripwax	EZ-Surfer - b 0x00000030 jumps to address 0x00000030. http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/bl.html
00:30:02	Llorean	crzyboyster: The most helpful thing you could do is track down when it changed, then. Nobody can fix it if they don't know what went wrong
00:30:57	LawliPop\|Len\|	Seems that the problem was the 220X176 resolution, thanks for your help.
00:31:03	EZ-Surfer	thnks stripwax.... thats what I thought happend, but then I read some documents that say it's pc+offset
00:31:08	LawliPop\|Len\|	I can idle here, right?
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00:32:45	webguest29	was anyone online when scorche kicked that eso guy?
00:33:07	scorche\|w	im sure plenty were...
00:33:12	*	scorche\|w coughs
00:33:20	stripwax	EZ-Surfer - it depends what you're looking at exactly. I think the opcode contains a relative address rather than absolute.. but the convention in disassembly output is to show the (calculated..) absolute address.
00:33:33	stripwax	sorry if that wasn't clear
00:34:45	webguest29	He was a creep
00:34:46	EZ-Surfer	ah... that makes a whole lot more sense
00:35:22	EZ-Surfer	thanks
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00:38:13	gevaerts	From my reading of the UTMI spec, it looks like it doesn't export any registers to the system, so there's nothing to configure there
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00:39:03	stripwax	is the problem that bytes 33,34,35 are garbaged, or that three bytes get inserted in between real bytes 32 & 33 ?
00:39:39	rasher	They get zeroed
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00:39:46	gevaerts	stripwax: Every 32-byte block starts with 29 good bytes and then has 3 zero bytes
00:40:09	gevaerts	The bytes that survive are correct and in the right place
00:40:11	rasher	At least, I've never seen anything but zeroes, but might it be "random memory which happens to be zeroes"?
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00:40:43	rasher	Not that it changes much (yet anyway)
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00:42:39	webguest29	i cant open the help tool bar. it gives me an error on the status page
00:42:49	delorean90	hello, has anyone here been expiriencing battery issues with thier h10 20gb on the latest builds?
00:43:19	n1s	rasher: are bytes 30, 31 and 32 overwritten or do they come aftewr the three zeroed bytes?
00:43:31	rasher	n1s: they are overwritten.
00:43:37	n1s	ah
00:44:30	rasher	n1s: http://pastebin.ca/896483
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00:45:41	stripwax	curious
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00:46:18	preglow	gevaerts: still, a quick compare with disk mode might still be enlightening
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00:47:34	gevaerts	preglow: obviously, but my arm assembly knowledge is still not good
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00:48:25	preglow	gevaerts: well, for what it's worth, it's not hard to learn :)
00:49:30	*	gevaerts is now searching the web for possible further information on the controller
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00:52:42	*	webguest29 is annoyed at scorche
00:53:01	gevaerts	preglow: so you know it ? ;-)
00:53:08	preglow	gevaerts: yeah
00:53:22	scorche\|w	webguest29: do i really have to ban you again?
00:53:36	webguest29	me?
00:53:38	*	gevaerts thinks preglow knows what he is suggesting...
00:53:51	rasher	webguest29: The help button doesn't work. It'll be fixed in time. (hint hint Zagor)
00:54:08	preglow	gevaerts: no time, i'm afraid :>
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00:57:25	preglow	on that note, it's bed time!
00:57:46	gevaerts	Would anyone like to guess what a 5 bit long field called VUSB_HS_DEV_EP in a register called HWDEVICE actually means ? I guess it somehow indicates the number of endpoints, but how is that encoded ? As a mask, a number ? And if a number, in and out combined, or pairs ?
00:58:22	*	gevaerts thinks the iMX31 manual just copied a part from the ARC manual, but they forgot some bits
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01:00:53	stripwax	gevaerts - if I google for that, i get exactly one hit ...
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01:02:06	stripwax	gevaerts - page 105 help? http://coreriver.co.kr/data/manual/TitanBM_1120.pdf
01:02:12	rasher	stripwax: ain't that interesting
01:02:19	stripwax	indeed
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01:03:36	rasher	Yay for google indexing pdfs
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01:06:28	gevaerts	stripwax: looks like another user of the same USB core. No new information though
01:07:18	stripwax	pity
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01:08:24	stripwax	wonder if they have the same dma controller
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01:28:56	Kernel	hello all. im trying to update my rockbox installation...im using the rockbox utility to do this..but it says it cant download the latest rockbox.zip......
01:29:35	Kernel	http error 2
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01:39:28	krazykit	Kernel, if rbutil is giving errors like that, download the latest build from the site and simply unzip it to the root of your device
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01:43:53	Inv1s1ble	how do I get write permission to the wiki? I want to add the Sony XA-110IP to the accessory page
01:44:05	Inv1s1ble	(as being incompatible)
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01:44:27	Inv1s1ble	man I knew I should have bought a Kenwood
01:47:42	rasher	Inv1s1ble: What's your wiki name?
01:47:50	Inv1s1ble	SumitKhanna
01:49:14	rasher	Inv1s1ble: done
01:49:20	Inv1s1ble	thanks!
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01:56:59	Inv1s1ble	:) I made a minor contribution
01:57:03	asdrubal	Does anyone experience lockups when rocording in sansa ?
01:57:25	Inv1s1ble	I gotta start developing stuff again
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01:59:17	Amoner	hello, guys
01:59:29	Amoner	i got a question
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02:00:24	Amoner	i am trying to instal rockbox on sansa e250. but when i restart my sansa it loads the old version not the rockbox one...
02:01:31	linuxstb	Have you installed the Rockbox bootloader? Either by running sansapatcher or rbutil?
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02:18:51	asdrubal	Does anyone experience lockups when rocording in sansa ?
02:20:25	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, i dont have it.. are you using the latest build
02:21:18	asdrubal	How do I tell what build I have?
02:21:30	asdrubal	does rbutil grab latest builds?
02:22:12	krazykit	system -> rockbox info for the build, and yes
02:22:55	asdrubal	krazykit, I have it mounted from OF right now.. can I tell somehow in the filesystem?
02:23:19	krazykit	there is, as i recall, a rockbox-info.txt in the .rockbox directory
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02:23:42	asdrubal	Manufacturer: sandisk
02:23:42	asdrubal	Version: r16287-080211
02:25:31	asdrubal	krazykit, should I run rbutil again?
02:26:05	krazykit	oh, i don't know about your problem. i've never had any crashes, but i've not done any serious recording
02:26:29	asdrubal	I can't do anything in record screen.. crashes on any keypress
02:26:54	*	gevaerts decides to stop studying usb specs and code, and go to sleep
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02:38:53	asdrubal	recording locks up .... I can't record anything
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02:41:32	asdrubal	Just wondering if this is a sansa problem in general or just a sansa c200 probloem
02:42:49	krazykit	maybe it's a filesystem problem. have to used fsck or scandisk (or whatever windows calls it)?
02:44:17	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, what format are you using in rockbox
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02:44:46	asdrubal	krazykit, yeah I did that
02:44:56	asdrubal	advlaptop2019, I'm trying to record to mp3
02:45:10	asdrubal	krazykit, I used fsck.vfat
02:46:01	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, i just did it on my e200 series and had no issue
02:46:21	asdrubal	what are you record settings?
02:46:28	asdrubal	do you have it on mono,22khz ?
02:47:46	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, what bitrate?
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02:47:53	asdrubal	64 and 96 both failed
02:48:04	asdrubal	I did file split
02:48:06	asdrubal	30 minutes
02:49:08	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, how long are you recording for?
02:49:09	asdrubal	advlaptop2019, are you recording from mic or fm ?
02:49:21	asdrubal	advlaptop2019, It freezes on any button press
02:49:36	asdrubal	what does prerecord time mean?
02:49:43	advlaptop2019	asdrubal, from mic
02:51:28	asdrubal	advlaptop2019, could be a c200 issue
02:51:38	asdrubal	I don't know if any devs have a c200 or not
02:51:49	krazykit	a few do.
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03:37:04	webguest59	hey people, i got a question about sansa e250... i cannot really run any games or anything...
03:37:32	psycho_maniac	whats your question?
03:37:43	Absinthe	what sort of games? the default ones or gameboy roms?
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03:39:01	webguest59	well
03:39:23	webguest59	default ones i click on them and in a corner the cd sign shows up, and nothing happens
03:40:48	Absinthe	what player?
03:41:36	psycho_maniac	he said sansa e250
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03:42:54	Absinthe	sorry..i accidentally disconnected. That is the same as mine.
03:43:20	Absinthe	do you have the latest build?
03:43:39	webguest59	e250
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03:44:19	Absinthe	no I mean off the rockbox site
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03:45:06	webguest45	well
03:45:09	webguest45	once that came with it
03:45:17	webguest45	with the rockbox
03:46:07	Absinthe	go to System>Version. What does it say?
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03:48:55	webguest45	can't open
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03:50:01	psycho_maniac	why cant you open that?
03:50:31	webguest45	i will be back
03:50:37	psycho_maniac	Go to the main menu. Click on System, Then click on Rockbox Info
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03:51:19	psycho_maniac	I would suggest to get the latest build and or just get a new version of what you have. might currupt files
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03:51:37	Amoner	ok
03:51:39	Amoner	i am back
03:51:42	Amoner	that was me with e250
03:51:48	Amoner	i just instaled the mIRC
03:51:53	Amoner	cause online version was too slow
03:51:58	Absinthe	ok
03:52:03	Amoner	well i installed the rockbox
03:52:09	Amoner	but half of it doesnt really work
03:52:15	Amoner	like there is no background picture
03:52:20	Amoner	even after downloading
03:52:50	Amoner	if i go to the system - version it pops up with an error tht cant open
03:53:04	psycho_maniac	Go to the main menu. Click on System, Then click on Rockbox Info
03:53:24	psycho_maniac	redownload the rockbox.zip for your specific player.
03:53:48	Absinthe	or the qt utility
03:53:54	Absinthe	its easier
03:54:00	Amoner	should i erase everything?
03:54:12	psycho_maniac	no
03:54:23	Absinthe	yes, but obviously back up your music.
03:54:25	Amoner	cause i tried reinstaling
03:54:43	Amoner	well i dont really care about music
03:54:48	Amoner	i can always put it on
03:55:12	psycho_maniac	i dont understand why you have to erase the music because plugins will not work?
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03:55:30	Amoner	well i just returnet it
03:55:40	Amoner	to the original firmware
03:56:01	psycho_maniac	i dont understand what you are saying
03:56:12	klaatu	scorche: ping
03:56:30	*	scorche waves
03:56:38	klaatu	scorche: what up? what should i cut out?
03:57:02	Amoner	hmmm
03:57:18	asdrubal	what is the key presses I need to do to get my sansa into DISK mode/
03:57:33	asdrubal	instead of mtp
03:57:45	krazykit	asdrubal, it's in the OF settings
03:57:51	asdrubal	oh..
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