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#rockbox log for 2008-02-15

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00:04:42peturwoot
00:05:15peturno more crashes :)
00:06:01*FrankOtto applauds petur
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00:06:26peturnow I still have to pinpoint the exact misbehaving thing...
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00:06:56FrankOttopetur: what change did you make?
00:07:34peturfor now I have set_features completely disabled, and also ata_sleep is gone
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00:08:04peturtesting goes much faster with a working bootloader ;)
00:09:57FrankOttopetur: you're trying with a 266x card, right? do you happen to know what speed you get in usb-mode? my 133x gives 11MB/s
00:09:57peturata_perform_sleep is not ok... with it it freezes again
00:10:32peturit feels a bit slower than the HDD, but not much
00:10:46peturand I will not be needing dircache on this baby :)
00:11:05preglowon nano you can actually tell the difference :/
00:13:00*petur hopes there can be a way to run-time detect the CF hack so we won't need a special build
00:13:05amiconnThen something must be really wrong on Nano
00:13:43pixelmaBagder: is it on purpose that the downloadable html-manual is still missing?
00:13:44amiconnOn Ondio, dir browsing is instant, even though the read speed is ~350KB/s maximum
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00:14:45DerPapstgood evening :-)
00:14:49pixelmaBagder: hmm, and the others are still as of yesterday
00:15:01peturamiconn: seems that when ata_perform_sleep is done the CF is really gone sleeping and not waking up (?). It feels like frozen but starts responding again after some time (empty dir of course)
00:15:10*DerPapst is looking for the source of this text input thingy but can't find it.
00:15:23DerPapstanyone happens to know where it is?
00:15:30peturvirtual keyboard?
00:15:33amiconnpetur: Well, did you disable the soft reset?
00:15:34DerPapstyes
00:15:54amiconnIf so, the sleep will of course freeze the card, because soft reset is needed for wake up
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00:16:03peturamiconn: where's that?
00:16:13amiconnperform_soft_reset
00:16:19*scorche|w wonders when logbot got opped
00:16:36peturamiconn: it is there
00:16:57preglowamiconn: well, yes, i expect something _is_ wrong on nano
00:16:57amiconnThen your card doesn't play by the rules....
00:17:17amiconn(unless the problem is ata timing)
00:17:41amiconnTry setting ata speed to pio0 and reprogram the correct speed after wakeup
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00:18:21peturamiconn: never done stuff like that (ata timing), where is it?
00:18:27amiconn(i.e. what I mentioned a while ago)
00:18:41amiconnSome cf registers, see mcf5249 manual
00:18:52DerPapsthmm.. found keyboard.h but not where the function lives declared in that prototype....
00:19:06amiconnCurrently, only set_cpu_frequency() changes those regs, adjusting them to the new clock
00:20:10peturDerPapst: apps/player/keyboard.c ?
00:20:35*amiconn thinks that DerPapst wants the version for bitmap displays...
00:20:42peturoh
00:20:55DerPapstheh... yes :-)
00:21:03petur.../recorder/... ?
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00:21:13DerPapstah
00:21:27DerPapstdidn't expect in recorder...
00:21:53DerPapstwow... it's huge o.O
00:21:56peturhistorical stuff...
00:22:01DerPapstthanks :-)
00:23:22*DerPapst wants to figure out how umlauts are handled there...
00:23:31peturamiconn: I'm gonne leave the ata timing switching for the weekend (or you) I think
00:25:25peturhmmm this will be something for target tree I suppose? or use #ifÅ› in ata.c?
00:25:55*petur gives his keyboard driver an angry look
00:26:10DerPapstbecause if i define an array of char that contains somthing like "ÄÖÜäöüß" the userfont (even unifont) displays garbage (wired symbols or rectangles).
00:27:01DerPapstand my source is UTF-8 without boom.
00:27:04DerPapst*BOM
00:27:13peturheh
00:27:45*DerPapst got only 6hours of sleep the last 2 nights in total ;-)
00:28:13roxfantry adding some boom then? :)
00:28:31DerPapsti noticed if i use the sysfont umlauts disply fine.. though the sysfont is kinda small on some targets
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00:30:02DerPapstand the vitual keyboard uses the sysfont too :-/
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00:32:02*DerPapst tries to figure out where the letters are actually drawn... keyboard.c is a maze...
00:32:28pixelmanot necessarily, there must be some code to make http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts possible
00:34:39DerPapstyou mean because of the sysfont?
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00:35:29pixelmaAFAIK those layouts use the user font
00:35:44pixelma(never tried one myself so far though)
00:36:00DerPapstaha.... thanks.. then i'll look a little harder ;-)
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00:36:21DerPapstat least i found where those layouts are loaded :-)
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00:41:22n1syeah, whaen you use a custom keyboard the userfont is used
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00:43:32DerPapstyep... just found the place where it selects either sysfont or uifond depending on if kbd_loaded is true.
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00:43:44DerPapst*uifont
00:44:35*DerPapst shouldn't type while being tired. This only leads to lots of typos.
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00:51:03RvXhello. how do I include PATH for compilation? (Make your path include: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin)
00:52:31n1sdepends on the distro but usually in .bashrc or similar
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00:57:36RvXoh, isn't any other way, such as: ./configure −−with-something=/PATH ?
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01:05:12*DerPapst goes to sleep... doing too many stoopid mistakes.
01:05:19DerPapstgood night all :_)
01:05:26DerPapst*:-)
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01:07:00RvXwhat do I have to put in .bashrc? I have to include this path: /usr/local/arm-elf/bin ...
01:11:25cool_walking_add "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to the end of the file.
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01:21:36RvXI created file named .bashrc in my ~/ but it stills doesn't work :(
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01:27:49RvXI got it. it should have been: export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH, not export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
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02:17:00hachiis todays build of rockbox having problems with changing playing tracks?
02:17:14hachiand when I say today, I mean... I downloaded it about 10 minutes ago
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03:13:31ThirtysixwayWhy doesn't rockbox work on 2nd gen ipod nano?
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03:24:45midgeyThirtysixway: apple decided to encrypt their firmware and the hardware is completely different than the 1st gen
03:26:26keanuJust as a heads up, I noticed that Gerritt Gonzales is in the credits twice
03:27:01Thirtysixwayoh, so I guess there isn't hope for it ever to be on the 2nd gen :\
03:27:39midgeyit's definitely possible but it's a lot of work
03:28:50midgeyit's basically a completely new port and someone would have to discover a way to execute third-party code
03:29:00Thirtysixwayoh
03:29:26midgeyi don't think anyone is actively trying to break the encryption scheme
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03:29:59midgeyif they are, we don't know about them
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03:31:29jac0bhello all, I am trying to get the FS #7113 patch resynced but now the bootloader loads only half way and gets stuck can anyone help me out with this?
03:33:08ThirtysixwayI found some stuff about decrypting the firmware
03:33:09Thirtysixwayhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/135205
03:33:49midgeythats the database checksum; it has nothing to do with the firmware encryption
03:34:10midgeyit's just another step that apple went to prevent people from not using itunes
03:34:20Thirtysixwayoh :s
03:35:24midgeybasically, cracking the checksum allowed people to use other programs to sync their ipods such as amarok
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04:02:26ajg983is there any information on if and when rockbox may/will be up and running for either cowon's d2 or iaudio7?
04:02:52Thirtysixwayhow about the zune ;p
04:04:51midgeyajg983: there have been basic work on both of those players, but we don't give out time frames
04:05:08ajg983ok.
04:05:11midgeyyou're best bet is to read the threads on the New Ports section of the forums
04:06:04ajg983thanks.
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04:06:32midgeyThirtysixway: the zune is very similar to the Gigabeat S which is being worked on right now. Rockbox is able to boot and browse the disk and menus. however, the bug that allowed us to run code on the gigabeat is gone on the zune so a new way to run code needs to be found
04:07:09Thirtysixwayx; you're just full of information
04:07:41ThirtysixwayI don't have a zune, I've just thought about getting one after my ipod dies, and I didn't see anything on the forum about zune
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04:20:24niikoDoes anyone here use cpchan's sansampeg script to convert flv files for rockbox?
04:20:53Thirtysixwayno
04:20:59niikook :\
04:21:01Thirtysixwaytry download.com for a flv converter
04:21:09krazykitniiko, questions on that would probably be best pointed at cpchan
04:21:37niikoYeah, I was really hoping I might find him/her here. *shrug*
04:21:54krazykithe's around sometimes, but you could just shoot him a PM on the forums.
04:21:55niikoSorry to bug you guys though
04:22:03krazykitor his email, assuming that's somewhere available
04:22:04advlaptop2019niiko, he is in #AnythingButiPod right now
04:22:09niiko:D
04:22:10crzyboysterI noticed an odd behavior in the plugin "bubbles", when you're at the start screen (one with all options listed) on an ipod nano, the level change goes DOWN when you rotate the clickwheel clockwise. This is pretty irregular with the rest of rockbox (clockwise=up)
04:22:13niikoThanks!
04:22:29crzyboysternikko: You can use winFF just fine for this
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04:23:27crzyboysterYou can view youtube videos quite easily, just download the flv with the downloaders out there and then run throuhg winff
04:23:57niikoI might end up trying that. A Linux solution would be ideal though
04:24:18crzyboysterIIRC, wiff is linux and windows...
04:24:36niikoOh!
04:24:51crzyboysterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux :D
04:25:16niikoYou rockbox people are just FULL of surprises!
04:27:00crzyboysterniiko: I guess rockbox is pretty "cool"! And does anyone know what I was talking about with my bubbles thing?
04:27:17midgeycrzyboyster: that might have gotten screwed up during the scrollwheel button rename commit (r16045)
04:28:19crzyboysterNo big deal anyways...
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04:51:46drx656wanna get an answer to an opinion ?. I want to get a 16gb mp3 player and can't decide between a cowon iaudio7 or a creative zen. Which is more recommended and most ot all, what are the pros/cons and WHICH SOUNDS THE BEST?
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04:52:04krazykitdrx656, neither is a rockbox target, so your question is offtopic.
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04:53:37drx656well then which one would be more rockbox friendly for a build release?
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04:55:19krazykitdrx656, neither, as i don't believe custom code has been run on either. why not check out the BuyersGuide wiki page for currently supported targets?
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05:34:08xp|atinumHi
05:34:46cool_walking_hi
05:35:34xp|atinumIs rockbox suppose to work with a freshly formatted ipod ? (without restore from itunes)
05:35:59xp|atinumwhen I boot it it asks me to restore first before using
05:36:10cool_walking_The iPod does?
05:36:16xp|atinumyes
05:36:23cool_walking_I'm not sure
05:36:27xp|atinumI used the Rockbox Install utility app
05:36:28cool_walking_might as well try it
05:37:00xp|atinumbecause I wanted my ipod to be 100% apple software free
05:37:14cool_walking_That's not possible at this point
05:37:25cool_walking_Rockbox needs the Apple bootloader
05:37:49xp|atinumok so 1) install itunes 2) restore ipod 3) uninstall itunes 4) install rockbox
05:37:53cool_walking_Rockbox also doesn't have it's own UMS mode, so you need the OF to access the iPod from the computer.
05:38:22cool_walking_That's what I did.
05:38:43xp|atinumwhat do you use to manage your ipod ? ephpod ? yamipod ?
05:38:46cool_walking_Though there's a method to restore it without using iTunes on the Wiki.
05:39:01cool_walking_I just drag and drop
05:39:42xp|atinumit's great that it supports simple drag/drop AND usercreated subdirectories
05:40:30cool_walking_Yeah. I hate having to use special software to put stuff on MP3 player/phone/etc.
05:42:28xp|atinumhow's the battery life with rockbox ? lasts longer ?
05:43:44cool_walking_Depends what model, but it's currently a little shorter on Videos.
05:44:04xp|atinumi have an ipod video 30gb
05:44:25xp|atinumI know it doesn't support it but is there a possibility for future xvid/divx playback ?
05:45:08cool_walking_I really have no idea (I'm just a user) but at this point I would say no.
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05:46:04LloreanThere's no reason that it couldn't be done
05:46:14LloreanBut all the people who are interested in it aren't interested in it enough to learn and do.
05:46:26xp|atinumit would be awesome to have that feature
05:46:59LloreanThen implement it.
05:47:15LloreanEverything in Rockbox is done by volunteers interested in it.
05:48:29xp|atinumI would definately help if I had the slightest knowledge in stuff like that.
05:48:39xp|atinumunfortunately it's not my branch hehe
05:48:50cool_walking_Does the broadcom chip only help with Apple's codec or could it be used for general processing? Or do you guys have no idea what it does?
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06:03:08xp|atinumis managing pictures just as easy as mp3s ?
06:03:24xp|atinumits a pain in the arse with itunes... so stupid to absolutly have to sync from a specific folder
06:05:58cool_walking_Just drag and drop
06:07:08cool_walking_http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml will tell you everything.
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07:36:51Thirtysixwaywhat language are plugins written in
07:37:06krazykitC
07:37:53krazykitit's possible there's some ASM too, but it's primarily C.
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07:38:24Thirtysixway..how are they compiled into .rock files
07:38:47scorcheby using a compiler (gcc)
07:38:52krazykithave you read the For Developers pages on the wiki and looked at the source code?
07:38:56Thirtysixwayno
07:39:11ThirtysixwayI'm going to go read it now
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08:48:10LloreanSeen this page? http://www.ilgerone.net/rockbox/index.php
08:49:06*GodEater fires up google language tools
08:49:28LloreanIt's an "Italian Homepage" for Rockbox. =/
08:49:33scorchehttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilgerone.net%2Frockbox%2Findex.php&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 :)
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08:50:35LloreanI used babelfish
08:50:53LloreanGoogle did a better job though
08:52:19GodEaterlooks to be blind focused too
08:52:31GodEaterthey have Jaws scripts linked right on the front page
08:52:44scorcheapparently june 2nd is rockbox day
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08:53:51GodEaterdid you just wander in there randomly Llorean ? Or did someone tell you about it ?
08:54:42LloreanGodEater: Mailing List
08:55:03GodEaterah
08:55:37LloreanThe site worries me a little, it looks like they're claiming a specific "latest version" as being 19/12/07's build
08:56:19GodEaterthey're kind of doing their own support though
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08:57:48LloreanThe site just makes me a little nervous, since it's not entirely obvious, at least in google translate, that it's simply re-providing it.
08:58:07GodEaterthey do link to us at the bottom of the page
08:58:54LloreanAh, there it is.
08:59:28LloreanWell, what will be, will be.
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09:00:36GodEaterI regard the fact that we don't have an influx of confused blind italians as proof of their relative success
09:00:49Lloreanhahaha
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09:06:30LinusNwell, they have a link to the official rockbox site on almost every page
09:07:59GodEaterI think they have themselves a nice little project there
09:08:20*GodEater wonders if we should provide a link back to them
09:09:02LinusNi think so
09:09:09*petur spots Alessio Lenzi there as 'staff'
09:09:19LinusNfigures :-)
09:09:46*GodEater doesn't recognise the name
09:10:01peturour Italian translator
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09:10:25petur(who sometimes also commits something else iirc)
09:11:00LloreanI just wish they'd simply link to the official current build rather than hosting their own outdated copy.
09:11:27GodEaterI think they're entitled to do that if they're providing support for it
09:11:34GodEaterit makes their life much easier
09:11:58LloreanThey're entitled to do whatever.
09:11:59GodEaterheck, it'd make our life easier too :)
09:12:04markunLlorean: maybe they test a build first and only try to provide more or less stable builds or something. Or one where the italian intranslation is 100% up to date.
09:12:20Lloreanmarkun: Maybe
09:12:44GodEaterthey have a known target, with known faults that way
09:12:53LinusNi think it's a great initiative
09:13:06LloreanBut if you visit their site, their list of supported targets is wrong, and the "in progress" ones is kinda inaccurate.
09:13:20LloreanI'd classify the gigabeat as much more mature (for a user) than iPod feels.
09:14:47markunLinusN: junti1234 told me there is a Korean gigabeat community now. All using rockbox of course :)
09:14:58LinusN:-)
09:15:11*petur is not surprised
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09:16:19LloreanI'm just worried because we already get people not trusting our supported players list, and it doesn't help when there are sites out there that actually have wrong information.
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09:17:06markunmaybe we should do releases after all
09:17:08GodEaterif there was nothing on that site to worry about, you'd invent something to be worried about.
09:17:19GodEateryou worry too much :)
09:17:37Llorean:-P
09:17:39LloreanFair enough
09:18:12GodEaterI'd like to point out (again) we still haven't had a bunch on confused blind italians querying us since December on what the best supported rockbox target is ;)
09:18:24GodEaterQED
09:18:57GodEaterif those guys don't like recommending the sansa and the gigabeat, they must have their reasons
09:19:41markunthe touch cross is probably not very blind friendly
09:20:36GodEaterthat's what I was thinking
09:20:38LloreanMore so than the wheel on the iPod, I'd think
09:20:51LloreanAt least with the cross you can feel the edges with a touch soft enough not to trigger it, then treat it like buttons
09:22:08amiconnmarkun: Did you get my comment regarding that pio mode patch?
09:22:16markunnope
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09:23:16markunin today's log?
09:23:33amiconnyesterday...
09:25:18peturamiconn: did the nano report powermanagement support?
09:26:39peturbrb
09:26:47amiconnyes
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09:41:40peturamiconn: but the nano doesn't give any issues in set__features() regarding powermanagement?
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