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#rockbox log for 2008-02-17

00:00:32 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:00:41FrankOttoDavide-NYC: I think this is right.
00:00:56FrankOttobut personally, I don't want to mess with the bootloader...
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00:01:30FrankOttoIt seems to be highly discouraged to install your own.
00:01:59peturyes, brick-risk
00:02:06Davide-NYCUnderstood. I am now going to re-enable the RTC.
00:02:32FrankOttoDavide-NYC: I'd like to ask you for one more test.
00:02:53Davide-NYCI was just about to ask you both what you needed me to look out for.
00:03:51FrankOttoas I mentioned (in the wiki), this patch disables a call to ide_poweroff . I did this because otherwise my disk access LED stays on during "sleep" (i.e. when the "disk" is idle)
00:04:17Davide-NYCmy LED is off
00:04:54FrankOttoyes, because my patch works around LED=on, but it's an evi hack. can you edit ata.c again, lines 852-854 have been commented out by my patch.
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00:05:10FrankOttoevi->evil
00:05:48FrankOttoplease uncomment these lines again, so that the call to ide_power_enable(false) does happen.
00:05:58FrankOttorebuild etc.
00:06:05Davide-NYCthat bit about mutex_lock?
00:06:07 Part linuxstb ("Ex-Chat")
00:06:35FrankOttoyes, the three lines: mutex_lock, ide_power_enable, mutex_unlock
00:06:48Davide-NYCI'll do that right after I put in RTC.
00:06:56Davide-NYC(one thing at a time)
00:06:56FrankOttook, thanks.
00:06:57peturamiconn: I tried running always relaxed timings -> ok. Next I tried setting relaxed timings just before power-on but that fails. I can't of course guarantee that there's no boost/unboost between power-on and set_features....
00:07:49peturnext step is to use a global pio mode flag and look at that when boosting
00:08:04peturwill be for tomorrow, gtg now
00:08:14 Quit petur ("gonne")
00:08:52Davide-NYCmy make failed with RTC enabled :-(
00:09:01FrankOttoIn my case, this causes the disk access LED to turn on on "disk spindown", i.e. after some time without disk activity. How soon that happens is set by Settings>General>System>Disk>Disk Spindown
00:09:04Davide-NYCmake clean, reconfig, fingers crossed
00:10:43Davide-NYCLOL @ "evil hacks" in the wiki.
00:11:14FrankOtto:)
00:11:55kugelHappy birthday kugel!!
00:12:03kugelYo, happy birthday
00:12:05Davide-NYC:P
00:12:14kugelkugel: thanks
00:12:50Davide-NYCcygwin = slowest make ever :(
00:13:12FrankOttoDavide-NYC: ah, you use windows...
00:13:25*Davide-NYC ducks
00:14:19FrankOttohere, a full make (I use -j3) takes less than a minute... my PC is too fast ;)
00:15:51*gevaerts gives kugel a mirror
00:16:24kugelgevaerts: I can imagine better birthday presents! :/
00:16:27kugel:D
00:16:48*gevaerts also gives kugel two beers
00:17:00*FrankOtto gives cake to kugel
00:17:02kugelfor example beer
00:17:09kugelor beer
00:17:12kugelthanks dudes :)
00:17:16kugelor cake*
00:17:25*FrankOtto takes cake away, it doesn't go well with beer.
00:17:29FrankOtto:P
00:17:43 Quit bertrik ("bye")
00:18:12*FrankOtto gives cake back
00:18:29*gevaerts proposes to play musical cakes
00:19:35*FrankOtto is reminded of "Fashion Nugget" by "Cake"
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00:27:22Davide-NYCFrankOtto: LED works fine while transferring files. RTC works from CF card, also worked after flashing to RAM although it did freeze and require a reset.
00:27:40Davide-NYCI will now compile with your lines uncommented.
00:29:54FrankOttoDavide-NYC: with my proposed patch (i.e. with ide_poweroff *disabled*) I was afraid that the device might use more power than usual. I've now been testing this for some time, letting my iriver simply sit around completely idle. On the first test run, battery went from 48% to 37% within two hours. Then I tested with ide_poweoff enabled, and it went from 37% to 28% within 1.5 hours, which is roughly the same rate (of course the LED was on
00:29:54FrankOttoall the time, I guess that needs power too). Now I've been testing again for almost another two hours with ide_poweroff disabled, and it's been sitting at 28%. Kinda strange... but the battery display was never very exact, I gues.
00:30:52Davide-NYCI'd be willing to do a battery bench, even though I'd be using an original (tired) battery.
00:31:55FrankOttoOK, that would be nice, especially if you compare with a benchmark that was made with HD.
00:32:38Davide-NYCDOes it have to be the same battery? (I have two H120s)
00:33:25FrankOttoFor exact comparisons, I'd say yes. But do as you please, rough numbers are also helpful.
00:34:13FrankOttoI'll do some benchmarks myself (within the next days), as added battery runtime is one of the goals why I'm attempting this mod.
00:35:06Davide-NYCis rolo enough or do I have to flash this build to RAM?
00:35:44Davide-NYCI'm a little confused as to when rockbox.iriver is modified and when it isn't.
00:36:02FrankOttono, rolo should be enough.
00:36:36Davide-NYCReport: LED turns on during access and then turns off as it should AFAICT.
00:36:52FrankOttowhat is your disk spindown setting?
00:37:12Davide-NYC5 s
00:37:33FrankOttoi see. so the LED stays off for you?
00:38:38Davide-NYCYess, it seems to turn on during buffer fill (I presume) and them it turns off as expercted.
00:38:43Davide-NYC*expected
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00:39:06FrankOttoin my case, it also turns off, but comes back on after the 5secs.
00:39:23FrankOttothen it stays on until i do another disk acess. :(
00:39:28Davide-NYCI am not experiencing that behavior
00:39:39FrankOttoGood, I guess.
00:39:58FrankOttoThat means my adapter or my card are doing something strange. Sigh.
00:40:01Davide-NYC:)
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00:40:17FrankOttoWhere's your adapter from?
00:40:26Davide-NYCI believe they are all the same
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00:41:09Davide-NYCI bought this one from eBay (linuxbeginner maybe?) and I have another doming in from dealtime soon.
00:41:24FrankOttoMine doesn't have a jumper... though it's "prepared" to have one, but nobody put one on.
00:43:03FrankOttoGot it off eBay from "i88990" for 2$ ... with shipping from Hongkong it cost me 5.50 EUR ... maybe a bit too cheap, LOL
00:43:37Davide-NYCFWIW mine has the jumper.
00:44:06FrankOttoI doubt the jumper has anything to do with the LED, as it only controls master/slave.
00:44:23FrankOttoProbably the card makes the difference.
00:44:25Davide-NYCWow, CF, RTC, all this thing needs is a way to charge from the USB port and it'll be perfect (for me at least).
00:44:55FrankOttoThere are cables which let you charge it from USB, aren't there?
00:45:10FrankOttoI believe I saw them all over ebay.
00:45:18Davide-NYCyes, but those regular mini usb cables can be found in every office.
00:45:39FrankOttoAh, you want to charge with a regular cable?
00:45:41Davide-NYCI often forget my $15 minisync cable.
00:46:50Davide-NYCI might just jump the cables internally. BRB
00:47:00FrankOttoBTW, when you transfer files via USB to the CF-modded iriver, do you know what speed you get?
00:47:41FrankOttoI tested it briefly today, and while the HD gives me ~10MB/s, with the CF I only get ~2.5MB/s :-(
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00:48:15FrankOttoThough my card is rated 133x which should mean ~20MB/s, so it shouldn't be slower than the HD
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00:49:30Davide-NYCwhat bitrate is WAV?
00:50:22Davide-NYC16*44100*2?
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00:53:42FrankOttoyes, if it's cd-audio
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00:56:47FrankOttoDavide-NYC: for CF, 1x = 150 kByte/s (so says Wikipedia)
00:57:19*gevaerts assumes that this is because CF cards use CD technology inside
00:57:27FrankOttoLOL
00:57:45Davide-NYCSo writing a stereo WAV requires 0.16 MB per second?
00:57:53*FrankOtto tries to find the eject button on the CF card
00:58:23Davide-NYCMy math seems to be in the ballpark. Can someone confirm?
00:58:46FrankOttoDavide-NYC: 0.17 MB/s
00:59:09Davide-NYCYes, I rounded wrong.
00:59:12Davide-NYCHDTach says that I'm getting 12MB/s
00:59:13FrankOtto:)
00:59:43FrankOttoIs that reading or writing?
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01:00:06FrankOttoBecause reading for me is also quite fast, 11MB/s
01:01:10FrankOttoMy writing benchmark wasn't very accurate, I simply copied 250MB of music files over and it took ~100s.
01:01:40FrankOttoAnd eventually I was planning to use a 32GB CF card, so filling that would take...
01:02:43FrankOtto3-4 hours?
01:02:47gevaertsIt's a pity that the H1x0 doesn't use PP502x, otherwise that would make my full speed USB limitation a bit more acceptable (only 5 times slower instead of 25)
01:03:09Davide-NYCAh, I just remembered iometer.
01:03:15FrankOttogevaerts: what's a PP502x?
01:03:48gevaertsFrankOtto: PortalPlayer 5020..5024, the chips used in most ipods and the sansas
01:04:15gevaertsThat's the current target for my usb work
01:05:43*gevaerts also has a 2GB mp3 player from a brand that google's never heard of that only does full-speed USB.
01:06:08FrankOttogevaerts: but transferring via USB to the original HD is quite fast for me, it's only my CF-modded H120 which is kinda slow.
01:07:48gevaertsThat's why this CF-mod would be such a perfect companion for this usb driver. They both are slow, so no one's at fault
01:08:29FrankOttohm. maybe I shouldn't have reformatted the card to FAT32, as it was FAT16 originally. These flash controllers do quite some black magic with the filesystem, I've heard.
01:08:46Davide-NYC715MB in 75 seconds
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01:09:17Davide-NYCSize on disk is reported (by windows) as 698MB
01:09:50Davide-NYC9.5MB/s? I think that's pretty good.
01:09:51FrankOttoyes, it's probably the difference between M (=1000^2) and Mi (=1024^2)...
01:10:00FrankOttoindeed, pretty good.
01:10:27*gevaerts is going to sleep
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01:10:59Davide-NYCStill an hour to fill 32GB.
01:11:53FrankOttoDavide-NYC: then again, I won't transfer 32GB every day.
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01:12:15Davide-NYCFrankOtto: I want to sincerely thank you for the patch.
01:12:22Davide-NYCVery very cool.
01:12:37FrankOttoDavide-NYC: you're welcome, and thank *you* for testing :)
01:13:18FrankOttoalso, I only picked up the ideas from petur, so he deserves the most merit.
01:13:41FrankOttoIt's late here, so I'll go to sleep. Bye.
01:13:52Davide-NYCTo all the devs: If anyone wants my 2GB 266x CF card for the exclusive purpose of fixing the GPIO timings so that the CF hardware mod is auto-detected please let me know and I will send it to you.
01:14:08Davide-NYCGood night.
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02:46:02dmbhey, is there any plans to support ipod touch?
02:55:41BigBambiOnly if interested owners do the work
02:56:04BigBambiCheck the New Ports forum, I think there is a thread on it
02:56:23BigBambiBut I would be very surprised for a number of reasons
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03:08:01auriumhi!
03:08:27auriumi'm reading the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
03:09:03auriumin "Scan the PCBs" what is the "PCB"?
03:09:29auriumi didn't find it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary
03:10:10hcsPrinted Circuit Board
03:10:32auriumhum!
03:10:57auriumwhy i need to scan it? how to do if i can't open the player?
03:11:29hcsit would be useful to scan it and upload the images so that knowledgeable people can see what components are on the board and how they are connected
03:11:41hcsand of course you can't scan them if you can't open it
03:12:16aurium:-/
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03:13:25auriumhcs, i have a MaxMux player and in the menu i find the firmware information: act75xx_s77
03:13:55auriumin the google i didn't find anything about act75xx_s77
03:14:25auriumyou know some way to get useful informations about it?
03:14:31hcsNo.
03:14:56auriumho... :-/
03:18:18BigBambiaurium: You cannot write code unless you know what you are writing it for
03:18:35BigBambiYou need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there
03:18:35auriumhcs, the MaxMux comply with the FCC standards. It can help the RockBox port?
03:18:47BigBambiNo
03:18:57BigBambi<BigBambi> You need to know all of the components in the player, and go from there
03:20:33auriumBigBambi, the only way is to see it's board? How the guys did it for the iPod? May can do the same...
03:20:44BigBambiaurium: People opened it...
03:20:51aurium:-)
03:21:03BigBambiYou may be able to find someone who already has on the web
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03:21:26BigBambiaurium: How do you expect to write code to operate a chip if you do not know what the chips are?
03:21:48auriumBigBambi, yeah, you are full right!
03:22:03auriumbut i need to try some other way.
03:22:17auriumthat is my only mp4. :-/
03:22:35auriumno other...
03:22:48BigBambiaurium: Even if you find out the chips are you capable of porting rockbox?
03:23:36BigBambiIf not, then you probably want to find other owners who also want rockbox who are capable
03:23:53BigBambiAs ports are made by owners, not a rockbox 'team'
03:24:03auriumI'm not good in C programing, but if the RoLO works i can work with time...
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03:24:24BigBambieh?
03:24:39auriumI think...
03:24:48BigBambiROLO is just for loading a different rockbox binary from within rockbox
03:25:30BigBambiYou need work out how to run your own code on it (if possible), write drivers for all the chips, adapt other parts of rockbox to work on it...
03:25:46BigBambiYou cannot just load it, it is a LOT of dificult work
03:25:56BigBambieven with fully documented chips
03:27:25auriumThe RoLo is like the LiLo or GRUB right? If the Rockbox port is not working i can try and try again, right?
03:27:31BigBambiNO
03:27:35auriumups
03:27:42BigBambisorry, didn't mean to be so emphatic
03:28:15auriumbut i undestand it reading the website
03:28:17BigBambiThe people doing the port will generally write a rockbox bootloader
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03:28:32BigBambiWhich can then boot either rockbox proper or the OF
03:29:00BigBambiROLO is a function within rockbox that allows you to load a different binary
03:29:10auriumCool. it can be good to my work
03:29:27BigBambiROLO is not important
03:29:42BigBambiFor getting rockbox running that is
03:29:54BigBambiIt is just useful for testing at a later date
03:29:59auriumthe Rockbox need to be full ok to RoLo works?
03:30:11BigBambiForget about ROLO for porting
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03:30:27auriumhum...
03:31:07BigBambiYou need to identify the chips used in the player, work out how to run your own code (is there a firmware update function for example, is it encrypted, is there a checksum), then start to write drivers for the chips
03:33:16auriumBigBambi, I think you and other guys talk about similarities in the players, right?
03:33:24BigBambiThat can help
03:33:43BigBambiBut if you don't know what chips are in the player, how do you know if any are similar?
03:34:26auriumyes... forgoting my player now... i need to research.
03:34:46BigBambiSeriously, the NewPort page is accurate
03:34:54BigBambiThere is no way of skipping the steps
03:36:15BigBambiWell, if someone else has already disassembled the player and identified the chips, you can use that, but that is about it.
03:37:41auriumYou think is possible to exist a way to make a easiest portable firmware, were we only need to set some variables to compile right?
03:37:48auriumAfter identified the chips!
03:37:56BigBambiI don't understand the question
03:38:09auriumsory my english...
03:38:24auriumi will try to say...
03:38:41BigBambiYou can compile anything you want, but it won't run unless it has been written for the specific chips
03:40:24auriumYou think that is possible to create a new firmware portable code, when we need to port to a new player we only need to set some friendly variables and compile it?
03:40:32BigBambiNo
03:40:39BigBambiHow would that possibly work?
03:40:55BigBambiYou need to write specific code for the specific chips
03:41:03auriumok. i only want to know.
03:41:17BigBambiYou cannot use a driver for an ATI graphics acrd with an Nvidia one for example
03:41:26BigBambis/acrd/card
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03:41:39auriumno no... it's not the idea!
03:42:01BigBambiThere are two levels to rockbox
03:42:18BigBambiThe device specific code, and the independent layer on top
03:42:36BigBambiIn porting rockbox you are writing all the device specific code
03:42:54BigBambiThe rest of it is straightforward by comparison
03:42:59auriumthe realy hard work
03:44:11auriumI will try to find the chipset and useful information and i back to say to you.
03:44:19BigBambigood luck :)
03:49:31soapJdGordon, Do you see a need for a viewports testing build, and if so which viewports related patches do you feel need included?
03:50:08JdGordonthere is definatly a need, but the patches havnt been updated for ages so no real point unltill they get fixed
03:53:34soapjust need syncing? Or more involved work?
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03:55:07soapp8457 is lists, p8553 is quickscreen, p8385 is wps
03:55:10JdGordonprobably syncing... they are not commitable in the current state so more real work is needed
03:55:17soapthose are the three I am aware of.
03:55:24JdGordonwps is probably testable
03:55:28JdGordonI havnt looked at it
03:55:33JdGordonI know the other 2 need work
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03:59:37soapI'd be happy to start building and hosting testing builds for them.
03:59:47JdGordonno real point atm
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04:00:06JdGordonnext tie a patch gets updated then that should be done...
04:00:11JdGordonunless you really want to do it :p
04:04:31JdGordonbloody IRS is gonna screw me out of 42 cents!
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04:29:30auriumBigBambi, i didn't find anything useful. :-(
04:30:37auriumi only find sellers. I didn't know who build the MaxMux player.
04:32:14auriumThere is a mp4 builder who sell it with Rockbox installed?
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04:41:19webguest99hi do you guys know of a converter i can use to convert .swf video files to a format rockbox can play?
04:44:32webguest99please help if any of you guys know... ireally want to know. :)
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04:48:30auriumwebguest99, did you have some tool to convert SWF to some video format? (like AVI or MPEG)
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04:51:51webguest99i have the one i got her from a link you guys gave me some time ago. i got the VLC transcode and WinFF.
04:51:51webguest99But those wont do it.
04:53:17auriumyou are using Window or Linux?
04:53:45auriums/Window/Windows/
04:54:10webguest99i'm using windows xp.
04:55:09auriumman... on window i can only say to you use the VLC. :-/
04:55:42auriumThe Rockbox suport MPEG: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
04:56:06webguest99i try to find a different converter then convert it.
04:56:11auriumyou try to convert the swf to MPEG?
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04:56:31webguest99after i convert the vids the i'll just convert them again with the ones you guys gave me.
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04:58:11webguest99i got another question guys.
04:59:23webguest99i was looking at the section with all the patches and i was looking at one of them that says i can install a plugin in rockbox that let me play SNES games.
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05:00:05webguest99and another that let me port the ipodlinux wikepedia to rockbox.
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05:06:20webguest99can you guys tell me where i can get the rockipedia plugin?
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05:10:31webguest99is um... somebody here? or are you guys busy? :)
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05:12:26auriumhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
05:13:15auriumwebguest99, i think if the plugin is not on the list, it do not exists.
05:16:31webguest99ok thanks let me check that. :)
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05:25:44webguest99no its not there.
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05:46:52saratogawho do i talk to about settings_list.c ?
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06:45:17webguest36hi can you guys help out on how to apply patches please?
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06:50:44webguest36please help. anyone? :)
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07:01:14webguest36um...ok...bye! :)
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07:51:32saratoga(for the logs) could someone familar with settings_list.c take a look at the new patch under FS #8443?
07:51:52saratogai would like to change the default theme to CabbieV2 soon
07:51:54saratogaand now i sleep
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09:58:28countrymonkeyWhat is it causing svn recent activity on the home page to not update?
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11:20:32tants39can you hurt people with sound and noise and what if you refused to do something some one else said? can that person get you kicked out of places? thank you
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11:22:16tants39do people like you when you are outside or inside
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11:23:47RvXhello.
11:24:03homielowetants39: This is an on-topic channel. It is also logged, If you don't have anything rockbox related please don't post your mindless dribble here.
11:24:43tants39homie was that an insult
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11:25:26chuckandbuckHello
11:26:04RvXI have patched rockbox (for StarDict compatibility) and I am getting "Data abort at 0004B5B0 (0)" when I try to search for to short words that appear at many keyphrases..
11:26:41RvXIf the list of similiar kayphrases is short, it's ok.
11:27:07tants39homielowe has insulted me
11:27:20tants39you have insulted me
11:27:32RvXHow can I limit it, (fix it)?
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11:28:23chuckandbuckI'm having problems with video playback on an e280; the video plays fine but the colors are really weird; this did not happen several months ago, but I have since reinstalled rockbox −− with a newer build perhaps... I've googled my heart out and searched everywhere to no avail.
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11:33:38n1sRvX: it usually means that there is a misaligned memory access happening somewhere (at the adress reported) could be a wrong cast, wild pointer or something entirely different...
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11:35:23pixelmamaybe it's an overflow somewhere when it appears while the list of hits is very long...
11:35:35*n1s wonders why the frontpage commits don't update
11:35:38RvXpixelma: that's right.
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11:35:54RvXBut how to deal with it?
11:36:07RvXHow to somehow limit that list?
11:36:26ddaltonI can't compile rbutil here on linux with qmake and make on debian linux. is this a problem with everyone? Or am I missing a package? Could someone send me a cli binary of rbutil?
11:36:40pixelman1s: I don't see newer commits in the build table either, or am I missing something?
11:36:45desowincopied about 500mb to sansa with ums v15, and just one file was copied wrong, and I still can get usb resets
11:37:03n1spixelma: yep seems that isn't updateing either...
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11:40:22RvXAnd the second thing: how to get created on my own keyboard layout to load on every boot? I tried to put it in /.rockbox/ , and /.rockbox/wps/mytheme and nothing....
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11:44:33pixelmaaccording to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts it should reside in the .rockbox folder if you want Rockbox to load it on every boot (maybe you have to chose it once after you put it in there so that Rockbox knows the right path). This is only my impression though as I never used it...
11:46:46RvXpixelma: the thing is that I cannot access ./rockbox/ from my player, because it's hidden
11:47:29pixelmasure you can, just set "file view" to "all" to do this...
11:50:32RvXThanks, pixelma, one case is now solved :)
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11:55:23RvXBut with first thing (the memory case), there is nothing I can do to fix it?
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11:55:44aliaskjhMikeS: Around?
11:56:25pixelmaRvX: I have no idea, maybe ask the author of the patch (if you got it off of flyspray, add a comment)
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11:58:20RvX Comment by Enmar (Enmar) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:18 GMT+1
11:58:22RvXI found out that when listing 80+ articles at once you get the data abort error and a hex address followed undefined instruction and a hex address.
11:58:23RvXListing less than 80 articles causes no errors and this occurs on the ipod nano as far as I know.
11:58:26RvXComment by Tri Nguyen (tri170391) - Wednesday, 02 January 2008, 07:58 GMT+1
11:58:26RvXI can confirm this. If I search the word "sin" when using default config -> Data Abort
11:58:28RvXIf I change the topic limit to 15 and do it again -> No Data Abort
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12:05:09RvXI'll try to modify cfg file :)
12:06:39RvXOwh, yes, there it is. But What value to put instead of 100 for max_list?
12:07:03Nico_Paliask: hi! do you have any idea how to enable writing to the S' disk?
12:08:18aliaskNico_P: Yep, I just commented out the #define for optimised writing
12:08:30aliaskI also have plugins running
12:08:36Nico_Paliask: but isn't that disabled when in the booloader?
12:08:39Nico_Poh? how?
12:09:07aliaskNeeded a bit of poking around the plugin.lds and adding keymap defines but other than that, not much
12:09:37aliaskGetting the actual .rock files on the device is the hardest part :)
12:09:53aliaskWhy do you want to write inside the bootloader anyway?
12:10:27Nico_PI want the bootloader to untar a tar archive containing a rockbox installation
12:10:58aliaskAh, nice idea
12:11:15RvXThanks all, I limited list to 60 and it works like a charm :) Bye.
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12:13:27aliaskHrm, I can't see why it won't work in the bootloader... unless it's something in ata.c
12:16:24Nico_PI'll try with the stuff commented out
12:19:34Nico_Pnope. no luck
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12:25:15Nico_Pit does work in the core
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12:25:45aliaskPeculiar... ata.c has no references to BOOTLOADER - so it's not #ifdeffing that at all...
12:26:01Nico_Pata-target.h has some
12:26:42aliaskThe gigabeat specific file?
12:26:52Nico_Pyes
12:27:22aliaskYeah, but that's only declaring the "optimised" function - if you remove that then writing work.
12:27:27peturthere is some ide specific stuff in the target tree (system-xxx.*)
12:27:28aliask+s
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12:30:18Nico_Paliask: how did you manage to send a plugin?
12:30:53aliask./connect −−sendfile /path/to/plugin and then using rockbox's inbuilt cut/copy/rename stuff
12:31:02Nico_Pok
12:31:35Nico_Pit would be nicer to get writing to work in the BL
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12:32:26aliaskI agree. I'll get this plugin work committed, then take a look.
12:32:42Shark_7-11hi all
12:33:21aliaskHi Shark_7-11
12:34:08Shark_7-11Quick Q: (Ipod 5G 80gig) My picture flow says i have no artwork... (after loading for 5 minutes or more)
12:34:27Shark_7-11i dont have much but i have a few...
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12:34:34Shark_7-11any ideas?
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12:36:29Wolf_Hi
12:36:36Shark_7-11hi
12:36:37aliaskShark_7-11: You might be interested in this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
12:36:47Shark_7-11tx :-)
12:36:48aliaskBut I don't have any personal experience with album art.
12:36:49Wolf_in Russian
12:37:32Shark_7-11ok cool tx, i dont have BMP's ...tx aliask
12:37:45markunWolf_: you want to ask a question in Russian?
12:38:32Wolf_es
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12:38:54Wolf_yes
12:39:16markunWolf_: I doubt that many (if any) people in here would understand it. Please try in English.
12:40:06Wolf_I shall try
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12:41:08Wolf_I ask to excuse me for English
12:41:12Wolf_^)
12:41:21Shark_7-11go 4 it :-P
12:42:16Wolf_I wrote about the problem at a forum
12:42:57Wolf_I have switched on mode Recovecy mode. Has copied casually some files.
12:42:58Wolf_Now the player is not included
12:42:58Wolf_What to me to do? Whether is what reset at a level of ?
12:44:08markunwhich player?
12:44:39Wolf_sansa e260
12:44:47Wolf_Who can help me?
12:45:18markunsorry, I don't know anything about the sansa players
12:46:18Wolf_It is a pity
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12:51:05Wolf_markun Prompt who on this channel can help me
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12:53:31Shark_7-11does rockbox have a file manager (PC Client) or do you use the default software (eg iTunes) ?
12:55:35peturhmmm unless I get something wrong, ata timings on coldfire look to be a bit off
12:55:43BigBambiShark_7-11: Use what you want
12:55:51BigBambiShark_7-11: Just copy and paste is what I do
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12:56:30Shark_7-11I'm just thinking maybe there is sotware allready doing that so that the artwork etc is all in place
12:56:35Wolf_Here my problem is described http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=218317#post218317
12:56:39BigBambiNo
12:56:45Shark_7-11when you start up rockbox, everything is working
12:56:52BigBambier, yes?
12:56:59Shark_7-11but seeing that this is only filemanagement, one can right a program like that yourself easily
12:57:01BigBambiI don't understand what that means
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12:57:20BigBambiYou can put the music on anyway you want
12:57:22Shark_7-11BigBambi: Me?
12:57:22Horschtiyou connect you ipod to your PC, and use windows explorer to copy the music iver
12:57:27Shark_7-11!?
12:57:43BigBambiFor many of us a big advantage of rockbox is that it means we DON'T have to use itunes etc
12:57:46Horschtiwhat is there not to understand?
12:58:06BigBambiI didn't understand the sentence "<Shark_7-11> when you start up rockbox, everything is working"
12:58:14Shark_7-11i hear you :-)
12:58:26Horschtino, not you, BigBambi
12:58:32Shark_7-11I am saying, a client that does everything for you (like auto aupdates, theme loader etc)
12:58:32BigBambiHeh
12:58:45BigBambiIs there anyone here who understands this conversation? :)
12:58:50Horschtino
12:58:53BigBambiShark_7-11: try rbutil for that
12:58:55Shark_7-11oh what i mean with that is
12:59:16Shark_7-11you dont need to manually go check the files and what not after wards... in shirt, let me right an app then u guys use it?
12:59:20Shark_7-11hows that?
12:59:21BigBambiRockbox Utility will do installation, updating, theme intalling, voice file generation, installing doom
12:59:24BigBambiand more
12:59:33BigBambiShark_7-11: No thanks
12:59:33advcomp2019Wolf_, so you copied files via recovery mode and now it does not work?
12:59:40Shark_7-11k
12:59:42BigBambiShark_7-11: Feel free to do what you want
12:59:53BigBambiBut I do NOT want to have to use additional software
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13:00:16BigBambiIf you feel the need, please do, and I'm sure there are some who will appreciate it
13:00:34Wolf_advcomp2019 bootloader.bin
13:00:40Shark_7-11not a must
13:01:09BigBambiLook at Rockbox Utility
13:01:21BigBambiIt isn't a music manager, but it does everything else pretty much
13:02:34advcomp2019Wolf_, what are you trying to do actually then?
13:03:04pixelmaNico_P: got a album art question for you (just out of interest) - what happens if you want to use album art (maybe even differently sized) in the WPS and RWPS on the Iaudios?
13:03:21Shark_7-11like a nice to have kinda thing... anyhow... tx for the help
13:03:21Shark_7-11k
13:03:21Shark_7-11will check it out tx
13:03:32Nico_Ppixelma: I'm not sure actually
13:03:58Nico_Ppixelma: I don't think the RWPS is handles
13:04:00Nico_Phandled
13:05:01pixelmaok, but the Iaudio remote is greyscale and album art is possible on greyscale main displays...
13:06:26Wolf_advcomp2019 I have casually copied
13:07:18Wolf_advcomp2019 I apologize for English, I from Russia
13:08:07advcomp2019Wolf_, i am still trying to figure out what you need
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13:09:44Wolf_advcomp2019 Now I try will start sansa in Recovery mode
13:10:43advcomp2019Wolf_, why do you need to go into recovery mode for?
13:11:47Wolf_advcomp2019 What to remove from a player files which has casually copied
13:12:30Wolf_PC does not see a player
13:13:23Shark_7-11cheers
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13:17:16advcomp2019Wolf_, what usb mode are you using? what operating system?
13:17:45Wolf_XP
13:18:44Wolf_advcomp2019 At a player the display is not included, the circle shines only
13:24:43aliaskNico_P: Have you had any leads, or should I just start trying to work it out?
13:26:10Wolf_advcomp2019 Whether there are at me chances to restore a player?
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13:26:45advcomp2019Wolf_, that is manufacturing mode.. did you put it there or did it do it on its own?
13:28:01Nico_Paliask: no, haven't found anything, sorry
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13:34:17Wolf_advcomp2019 и прошу меня извинить, но я не совсем понял вопрос
13:34:27Wolf_advcomp2019 Also I ask me to excuse, but I have not absolutely understood a question
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13:41:27advcomp2019Wolf_, i do not know russian so i do not know how to tell you the info to make you understand it
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13:51:57rasherWolf_: Did you do something to get in this mode?
13:52:28Wolf_Yes
13:52:49Wolf_rasher * Power off
13:52:49Wolf_ * Turn ON lock/hold
13:52:49Wolf_ * Hold down record
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13:53:16Wolf_rasher Power off
13:53:17*petur pats logbot on the back
13:53:33Wolf_^(
13:53:40rasherWolf_: Okay. Why did you do it?
13:54:32Wolf_rasher What exactly?
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13:54:49rasherWolf_: Why did you go to manufacturer mode?
13:55:21Wolf_rasher I wanted to stitch
13:55:30rasherStitch?
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13:55:50rasherTry explaining with other words
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13:56:25Wolf_I do not know as to say in English
13:56:59rasherAh, did you read about it on a page?
13:57:09Wolf_rasher I wanted to replace the microprogram
13:57:17bertrikhe means patch maybe
13:58:50rasherWolf_: To get out of manufacturer mode you can hold the power button for 15 seconds
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13:59:49Wolf_rasher ок, now I shall try
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14:04:41peturanybody with ata specs knowledge around?
14:05:24romeo1thank you and why don't we kill and harass and discriminate against all the people who are physically unattractive in this world? and how much time do we/i have? thanks
14:05:47*rasher blinks
14:06:01Horschthm..
14:06:04Horschtspambot
14:06:18Horschti had him in a different chan saying the exact same thing
14:06:19rasherPMs?
14:06:36Horschtwhich is weird, cause it's a german channel
14:07:30Wolf_rasher Has not helped
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14:08:16peturhehe
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14:08:30romeo1what is a spammer
14:08:51peturyou were talking nonsense
14:08:53rasherWolf_: Try holding longer
14:09:18peturromeo1: obey the channel rules or get kicked/banned
14:09:25Wolf_:) ок
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14:10:31rasherWolf_: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/images/e200-front.png
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14:10:53BigBambiHow does that work? i.e. how did logbot know? Or did someone 'nudge' logbot?
14:11:11*petur smiles
14:11:16BigBambiaha :)
14:11:16moosB4gder: buildserver problems
14:12:27B4gdermore specificly?
14:12:53mooslook at the build table, it stoped yesterday :)
14:12:55romeo1this is essentially different. does ugly people hate and discriminate against other ugly people too as much as attractive people? and do attractive people really discriminate against ugly people?
14:13:22Wolf_rasher нажимать только кнопку power?
14:13:31rasherWolf_: I don't understand
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14:13:45Wolf_rasher To press only the button power?
14:13:46Horschti only understand "rasher" and "power"
14:14:01rasherWolf_: Yes. In 15-25 seconds
14:14:06B4gdermoos: and what was committed after then?
14:14:43mooscheck svn mail, last revisions aren't
14:15:28moos6 revisons
14:15:37moos+i
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14:18:45romeo1i've been always a loner my entire life and no real friends or people who gives me feed-backs or stayed away from people in a room for 30 years of age is it embarrassing and am i stupid or can hurt others?
14:19:02B4gdermoos: thanks, I triggered a manual build now and it should be up and fine after that
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14:19:28Horschtbye
14:19:31Wolf_rasher Not, I seem to me of it{him} finally have broken
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14:20:09*aliask can only think of one other person who's been banned
14:20:20rasherWolf_: It can be saved with e200tool. I don't know how
14:20:37Horschtwe have bans in here?
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14:22:44B4gderHorscht: we really don't need to use them very often
14:23:05Wolf_rasher I thank for the help:)
14:23:16aliaskB4gder: Why -b those three?
14:23:37B4gderbecause they're somewhat old and I rather not have lots of oldish bans hanging around
14:23:37rasherWolf_: Maybe you could find someone who knows Russian and better English to help you
14:24:13B4gderone being on a nick only, and two most likely being for dhcp ips anyway
14:24:14rasherThere are plenty of other equally old bans afaics
14:24:20B4gderindeed
14:24:30B4gderbut I just wanted to give some room and then leave them
14:24:44*aliask is reminded of dongs :)
14:24:48B4gderI'm not even sure what the freenode ban limit is
14:25:05moosred builds
14:25:31B4gderaustriancoder: your red!
14:25:43*aliask breathes a sigh of relief
14:25:48B4gder860 fresh points
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14:35:30*gevaerts is trying to decide if he should do SCSI commands today, or experiment further with the core USB stuff
14:35:42B4gderboth!
14:35:45*B4gder ducks
14:36:41*gevaerts waits until B4gder un-ducks before reacting
14:36:58bertrikget out and enjoy the nice weather
14:37:57gevaertsI could do that of course. Might be a nice compromise
14:38:41*petur will do the same soon too
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14:46:09desowingevaerts: http://rafb.net/p/xmLmsq23.html - it's what I got with v15, it happened while writing and only one file was bad copy
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14:48:57Nico_Paliask: any leads on why writing doesn't work in the BL?
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14:49:28aliaskNico_P: None so far, but I haven't done much testing
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14:49:55Nico_PI haven't found anything either
14:51:36gevaertsdesowin: that seems to suggest that my control-transaction theory is incorrect.
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14:54:39rashergevaerts: have you tried torturing the OF to the same degree? (badblocks and continous lsusb)
14:54:53FebsDoes anyone know if the E200 automatically adjusts gain when bass boost is applied?
14:56:36gevaertsrasher: not yet, but I'll do it now. Anyway v15 still responds in a worse way to it than v7 (the one in svn), and desowin has problems without such tricks.
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14:57:20desowinwell, I haven't diffed files copied using v7 ;)
14:58:21bertrik_I still see a lot of failed tests on the chapter 9 handling
14:58:44FebsI'm looking at posts 9 and 11 in this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/ipod-5-5g-80gb-rockbox-ipod-classic-80gb-297447/#post3817471
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15:02:19gevaertsFrom the device numbering it looks like desowin connecting through a hub to a ohci controller. I'm connecting directly to a uhci controller. Maybe that makes a difference ?
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15:02:42FebsIf I add 24 dB of gain using the low shelf filter, I can easily introduce clipping. But if I apply 24 dB of bass boost, it doesn't clip.
15:02:59Febs(though it sounds terrible)
15:04:25gevaertsThe OF seems to handle my lsusb+badblocks torture correctly (no pauses, no errors, no resets), on both full speed and high speed
15:04:56rasherFebs: Bass boost being the Bass setting int he sound menu?
15:05:00FebsYes.
15:05:32rasherI'm pretty sure that scales down the gain accordingly, but not positive
15:05:33bertrikyay, high speed works already?
15:05:40rasherFebs: preglow will know
15:05:48gevaertsbertrik: OF
15:06:00*bertrik should read more carefully
15:06:32gevaertsdesowin: Are you connecting to a ohci controller through a hub (maybe built-in somewhere), or am I reading your dmesg output wrongly ?
15:07:10desowinyes, connecting it through hub, should I connect it directly?
15:07:28Febsrasher: I remember there being extensive discussion of that sort of scaling a couple of years ago with respect to the H100 and the decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is scaling on the e200.
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15:07:59gevaertsdesowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug this.
15:08:22*gevaerts thinks he also ha a usb hub somewhere, and goes to look for it
15:11:23FebsThis is the discussion I was thinking of: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2005-12/0013.shtml
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15:13:34gevaertsrasher: did you do any testing with recent patches ?
15:13:49desowingevaerts: without hub http://rafb.net/p/tCUXWk52.html and it's still copying files
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15:17:31ally_oxxxoohey guys
15:17:39gevaertsdesowin: so basically no difference. I assume ohci vs uhci shouldn't make a difference on this. Are you using some kind of GUI file manager that tries to update it's filelist regularly (i.e. is something trying to get a directory listing from the sansa while it's writing) ?
15:17:41aliaskNico_P: I just modified the bootloader to actually test writing, rather than just reading code and it seemed to work fine...
15:17:57Nico_Paliask: what did you change?
15:18:04ally_oxxxooim have a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Is there a way to formate it?
15:18:21ally_oxxxooright now its formated by a Mac not a windows computer..
15:18:34aliaskNico_P: Nothing. I'll make a patch of the bootloader so you can verify on your device
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15:19:13Nico_Paliask: ok, thanks
15:19:18desowingevaerts: I'm using thunar, I'll test with bare cp later
15:19:19Horschtally_oxxxoo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
15:19:37ally_oxxxoothanks horsht
15:19:49soapally_oxxxoo, Rockbox is not like a Windows 95 install - there is no reason to format your player because of weird behavior.
15:20:09soapOh - didn't see it was a MacPod - ignore me.
15:21:10gevaertsdesowin: is it mounted woth -o sync ?
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15:21:22ally_oxxxoosoap no
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15:21:40ally_oxxxoothats not the reason. I had rockbox on my ipod video but not my ipod nano
15:21:52ally_oxxxooi need to formate my nano cause its not Fat32 right now...
15:21:57ally_oxxxooim on linux
15:22:10gevaertsdesowin: (if you missed it) is it mounted woth -o sync ?
15:22:28desowinno
15:22:42gevaertsso that's not it (same here)
15:27:07gevaertsdesowin: are you actively using other usb devices on the same controller (keyboard, mouse,...) ?
15:28:18*gevaerts is still trying to find out why desowin's setup behaves so differently
15:28:38desowinmouse, and have printer connected to it which is unpowered though, and empty usb hub
15:29:55aliaskNico_P: Did you get my PM?
15:30:06Nico_Paliask: sorry. yes I did
15:30:43aliaskDoes it work, or is there some difference in our players?
15:30:53*gevaerts plugs in his usb mouse
15:31:01gevaertse H100 and the
15:31:01gevaerts+decision was made that Rockbox should not scale gain to prevent clipping. That's why I was surprised to read that comment that there is
15:31:01gevaerts+scaling on the e200.
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15:31:01gevaerts> desowin: it would be useful to know if that maks a difference. I really want to reproduce your error rate here, so I can properly debug
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15:31:04Nico_Paliask: I'll test it now
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15:31:49desowingevaerts: I'll disconnect every other usb device and test
15:31:52*gevaerts is not used to a mouse with all kinds of weird buttons that paste content everywhere
15:32:09gevaertsSorry about that. I'll try to be more careful
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15:33:12desowinI'll do fsck first though
15:33:23Nico_Paliask: doesn't seem to have written correclty
15:33:37Nico_PI get "buff was 0x41100DE"
15:33:43gevaertsdesowin: I did get one usb reset since I plugged in this mouse
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15:34:07aliaskHrm, interesting. I'll try re-running it. Maybe it's not consistent.
15:34:14gregzx[15:31]<gevaerts>*** gregzx (n=gregzx@dss183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined channel #rockbox <−−- whats that about gevaerts ?
15:35:02gevaertsgregzx: I plugged in a mouse with lots of buttons in unexpected places, and it selected and pasted some text
15:35:14Nico_Paliask: at least your code writes. I think it's normal that I don't get "Written data verified."
15:35:21*gevaerts is used to his trackpoint.
15:36:03Nico_Paliask: do you?
15:36:16aliaskNico_P: I got it first time, but every time afterwards it's been incorrect (noticeably with the last byte 0xDE too)
15:36:30Nico_Pah
15:36:43aliaskCould be 3 bytes out
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15:36:54Nico_Pmine seems to be consistent
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15:37:18aliaskIt works after a format, but fails subsequent times. So if the file exists it fails.
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15:42:06rasherFebs: I'm not sure that decision still stands. At any rate, I'm pretty sure behavior would be the same on all targets
15:42:29rashergevaerts: nope, haven't done any testing recently - do you need testing?
15:44:10desowingevaerts: with every other usb device disconnected, no usb resets so far
15:44:21gevaertsrasher: I'm just wondering why desowin gets lots of errors and I don't.
15:45:19gevaertsdesowin: interesting. Maybe one of them has a bad cable that makes the usb signal unreliable ?
15:45:31desowinI'll try that later
15:45:57gevaertsdesowin: on the other hand, if that's the problem the OF should give problems too.
15:46:25gevaertsMaybe we just don't handle errors properly yet in some way.
15:47:11Nico_Paliask: I think I got it to work!
15:47:24amiconnaustriancoder: I'm really wondering about your latest commit
15:47:34aliaskNico_P: Nice, what was it?
15:47:54amiconnThe debug menu is apps code. So moving it into target tree (i.e. below firmware/) is clearly wrong
15:47:56Nico_Pmkdir was failing because of a trailing '/', so then creating files wouldn't work either
15:48:06B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/02/17/two-good-ones-is-better-than-one-half-baked/
15:49:38markunB4gder: I guess you are right
15:50:07markunand Berlin gets my vote for the eurocon as well
15:50:13B4gderwe'll get a lot more people attending
15:50:26B4gderI just edited and mention Brussels too
15:50:35B4gderI'm fine with either
15:50:51markunI love Berlin as a city, but don't know Brussels. Maybe it's nice too/
15:51:03aliaskNico_P: Ah, good to hear you nailed it. Does it extract a .rockbox? Or am I getting too ahead of myself :P
15:51:13Nico_Pit does extract a .rockbox dir
15:51:26Nico_PI'm not sure it does it correctly though
15:53:17B4gdermarkun: I've actually not been to any of them... and I doubt we'll see much of the city anyway :-)
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15:53:58jac0bis there a limitation on the albumart size?
15:54:43aliaskjac0b: It cannot exceed the dimensions of the LCD in any direction
15:55:15jac0bok
15:55:59jac0bso I have the gigabeat and the albumart can't be bigger than 320x240
15:56:45aliaskRight. But because the AA is usually square it won't be bigger than 240x240
15:56:58jac0byep
15:57:02soapA reasonable limitation, IMHO. I scale my album art images to MinDimensionXMinDimension upon transfer to a player as is.
15:57:22jac0byeah I usally max mine at 200x200
15:57:33Horschtwhich is still quite big
15:57:47Horschtgiven that rockbox requires bmp
15:57:51jac0byeah I guess
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15:58:25Nico_Paliask: loading files seems to sometimes fail. I don't know if this is because the files are corrupted
15:58:49Nico_Por just because the disk is slow. maybe I'm not patient enough
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15:59:06TschaadDoes someone know, if Rockbox run on a M:robe 500?
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15:59:28jac0bTschaad: is it on the front page?
15:59:29rasherNico_P: Have you seen mention that "frequent skipping in large playlists makes skipping unreliable"?
15:59:42*gevaerts can't help pinting out that the location petur proposed is nearer Gent tha Brussels, which might matter if you want to visit the city (Gent is probably worth a visit as much as Brussels. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghent)
15:59:46Nico_Prasher: I think so
15:59:53gevaertss/pinting/pointing/
15:59:56TschaadI dont know, what do you mean
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16:00:14jac0bTschaad: http://rockbox.org
16:00:24rasherTschaad: All currently supported targets are listed on the frontpage of rockbox.org
16:00:33Tschaadi searched , and I found MROBELOAD
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16:00:40Tschaadits a zip file
16:00:47rasherTschaad: that said, a port to the M:Robe 500 is in the works, but not useful for users yet
16:00:58Slasherii started re-designing pcmbuf.c :) let's see what comes from that
16:01:08webguest13is the 2nd generation of ipod minis supported
16:01:11Tschaadhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR500Info
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16:01:39rasherwebguest13: Yes - it's right there on the frontpage of rockbox.org
16:02:14webguest13it only said ipod mini, so i had to ask
16:02:22aliaskNico_P: I have noticed something like this too - but it doesn't happen all the time
16:02:23rasherwebguest13: That means every model of Mini
16:02:31Slasherithe idea is to do a realtime pcm streaming engine, with configurable latencies and stream specific controls
16:02:33webguest13ok−−thanks
16:02:58desowingevaerts: unplugged all devices, started copying files, then I plugged devices back one-by-one, and so far I haven't got any usb reset
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16:03:30gevaertsdesowin: interesting. Did you do an fsck as well ?
16:03:37desowinyes, I did
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16:04:14gevaertsNot that it should matter, the errors were pure block devie errors and nothing file system related
16:04:55desowinoh, got resert
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16:20:31desowingevaerts: I'm almost sure it's my printer what causes the usb resets
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16:25:05gevaertsdesowin: good to know. It still should behave better though
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16:35:42peturgevaerts: nice typo there: 'pinting' ;)
16:36:09peturand I'm indeed in Gent (Ghent), not Brussels
16:36:21desowinyou beer freak' ;)
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16:39:43aliaskpetur: Was/is your favourite leffe tripel?
16:39:46peturamiconn: I tried calculating PIO-0 values but they didn't solve the freezing. I then put in maximum values and that worked OK. So I am probably not understanding the timings...
16:39:59peturaliask: tripel karmeliet
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16:40:31aliaskAh, thought I remembered something about tripel. I'll need to try that one too now :)
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16:41:38micols_my ipod nano 4gb white is getting "buffer miss!" a few times during each midi-song, any suggestions to what i can do to change this?
16:41:50micols_its using the patchset from the rockbox forum
16:44:08aliaskWow, they even own an Australian beer...
16:46:27desowingevaerts: yup, with printer disconnected, copied whole that directory without single error
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16:47:02n1smicols_: there isn't a lot you can do, the midid plugin is simply too slow on pp cpus
16:49:09gevaertsdesowin: so this might be stable enough for normal use after all. Does the OF work reliably with the printer connected ?
16:50:36desowinoh, one file doesn't match its copy
16:50:49desowinI'll try in OF later
16:51:47gevaertsdesowin: any chance of finding out what the difference is (i.e. one sector wrong, some random bytes wrong,...) ?
16:52:09pixelmaaustriancoder: seen amiconn complaint earlier?
16:52:58pixelma*amiconn's
16:55:18micols_n1s: you know if its possible to changte rockbox bootlogo without recompiling ?
16:55:24micols_or patching, just by adding a .bmp
16:56:23n1smicols_: yes it's possible, i think there is even an app to do it called logoswapper however I have never used it and we do not support it
16:57:03micols_uhm, isnt the logo hardcoded into the firmware? or is it a regular file?
16:57:13Horschthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LogoSwapper
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16:58:46n1smicols_: yes it is but the file can be edited, and of course just swapping the bmp and recompiling is much easier
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16:59:30micols_yea, that win app wont work anyway, using wine :)
16:59:35micols_needs .net framework
16:59:51BigBambiThen you need to edit the original picture then compile
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17:01:19Horschthttp://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp
17:01:20Horschtnice one
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17:14:56micols_hm its rather annying that the backlight is on all the time when its connected to usb/charger and showing apple logo with full backlight.
17:15:08micols_i dont know why this is the default of rockbox
17:15:17micols_makes no sense, its only annoying when going to sleep :)
17:15:24micols_lighting up the room.
17:15:48micols_doesn't even seem to be changeable
17:15:55rashermicols_: If it's showing the Apple logo, why do you think it's Rockbox' doing?
17:16:01pixelmait's apple's code, complain to them
17:16:06micols_it doesn't do it with apple firmware
17:16:14Horschtyes it does
17:16:15micols_it shows only backlight for 3secs or so and then dimms down
17:16:21BigBambiYou are seeing the apple disk mode
17:16:23micols_with rockbox it shows infinite backlight
17:16:32BigBambiBelieve us, it is Apple's code, not Rockbox
17:16:36rashermicols_: It's not rockbox. It's Apple code.
17:16:39rasherzing
17:16:46micols_weird, how come it doesnt do it with apple firmware then :(
17:16:51Horschtit does
17:17:00BigBambiBecuase the two modes are different
17:17:01rashermicols_: it IS Apple firmware
17:17:21HorschtI am not sure what you are seeing, but it does it both with the OF as well as with the emergency disk mode
17:17:23micols_it never shows the apple screen only with apple firmware
17:17:29BigBambiThere is an emergency disk mode (APPLE'S FIRMWARE) and the disk mode from within the OF (APPLE'S FIRMWARE)
17:17:34micols_it shows do not disconnect screen or similar.
17:17:39micols_or ok to remove.
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17:17:57micols_apple screen only shows during boot with apple firmware.
17:17:58BigBambiRockbox resets to the former, when you plug in from the OF, you see the latter
17:18:03BigBambiBOTH ARE APPLE's
17:18:20desowingevaerts: 0x250020 matched bytes, then 2 bytes 'disappeared' in copy, then 0x15FDE matched bytes, then again 2 bytes 'disappeared' and then 0x6FEB60 matched bytes
17:18:47Horschtplus, they both behave the same for me, in regards to backlight
17:19:05Buschelquestion to our experts: is spinlock_lock()/-unlock() used for thread safety?
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17:20:37gevaertsdesowin: what do you mean by disappeared ? Are they missing (i.e. is the file shorter), or are they zero ?
17:20:48desowinthe file is shorter, those are missing
17:22:54gevaertsTha shouldn't happen at all. The entire usb storage system works on sector level, so any error should be either a few corrupted bytes, or entire blocks of 512 bytes missing. I really don't understand how this can happen.
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17:25:32gevaertsdesowin: just to make sure I understand this correctly: does ls -l report a size difference of 4 bytes ?
17:29:05desowinsorry
17:29:15desowinfirst 2 bytes are 'extra' second two are missing
17:29:24desowinso file size is the same
17:31:23gevaertsSo the middle block is shifted by two bytes somehow
17:31:34desowinthe extra bytes are 0x15 0x2A, the missing ones are 0xFB 0x0B
17:33:09*gevaerts can't think of any kind of error that could cause this
17:33:41Nico_Paliask: http://pastebin.ca/907433 works nicely for me
17:33:59Nico_Poh he's gone. pity
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17:34:09Nico_Panyway, I'll commit that soonish
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17:34:54aliaskNo I'm not. :)
17:35:53aliaskPatching and testing now
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17:38:36openforlifeHi all...
17:39:05openforlifeAre there any plans to get rockbox on the iPod touch?
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17:40:02Horschtthere he left again
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17:45:38aliaskNico_P: Awesome! Works perfectly :D
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17:50:05desowingevaerts: and I can't seem to be able to reporduce it
17:51:43gevaertsdesowin: The only possible cause I can think of (and even that sounds improbable to me) would be some kind of memory or cpu problem on the PC side.
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18:39:00Nico_Paliask: glad you like it :)
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18:41:50amiconnaustriancoder: Did you get my remark?
18:42:56austriancoderamiconn: nope
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18:43:15amiconnWhy did you move the debug code to target tree?
18:43:40amiconndebug_menu is debug code, at apps layer, and should be kept together as close as possible
18:44:10amiconnThe ultimate goal is to remove this code when it's no longer needed
18:44:42austriancoderbecause s3c2440, tcc780x and maybe others have them also there and I think its cleaner to have target specific code in the target tree
18:45:09amiconnThe target tree is for the firmware layer *only*
18:45:37amiconnIf s3c2440 etc put debug menu code there, this is also wrong
18:46:01austriancoderah okay.. I will redo my commits
18:46:42amiconnLook at e.g. the codecs - they have cpu specific code as well (codlfire, arm etc), but not in target tree because it is app level code
18:47:01amiconn*Might* be interesting to hear other opinions here.
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18:47:48amiconnPerhaps we should move it back, but then split architetcure specific parts from debug_menu.c and put the into apps/debug/ or sth
18:48:47austriancodersound like a good idead to..
18:48:52amiconnWould still keep the code together, and yet make the file shorter (== more readable)
18:50:18*amiconn thinks there might be *some* candidates for removal right now
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18:50:40amiconnOtoh, some debug items are pretty long-term stuff, e.g. screenshot, or disk info etc
18:50:41austriancoderI have an other question.. in firmware/target/arm/ looks very pp50xx specific.. what do you think about moving pp specific files to firmware/target/arm/pp50xx ?
18:51:34amiconnWell, that *could* be done this way for .c files, but not easily for .h files
18:52:18amiconnThe target tree has a common structure: /<architecture>/<manufacturer>/<model>, which cannot be changed easily
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18:52:57amiconn...*but* there was the idea to "redefine" <manufacturer> for the ARM architecture a bit, and make it the arm "flavour"
18:53:31austriancoderyes.. else /firmware/target/arm/tcc780x/cowond2 would we wrong or
18:53:48amiconnThis is already done for s3c2440, pnx-0101, tcc77x and tcc780x
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18:54:03amiconnYeah, just that I would rename the latter to cowon-d2
18:54:33amiconn(to stay consistent with e.g. the gigabeats)
18:54:44amiconnJust for PP502x and PP5002 this isn't done yet
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18:55:58mcuelenaereI've a question about the vector loading routine: where exactly is the address defined from where the device is loading the vectors?
18:58:19*amiconn thinks it would be useful to do this move, but for ipod this will cause a bit of code duplication
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18:58:56amiconn..because e.g. the greyscale lcd driver will exist both for pp5002 (1st..3rd gen) and pp502x (4th gen and minis)
18:59:47austriancodermaybe put it to the not existing firmware/drivers/lcd/ folder?
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19:00:09amiconnNo, as it's clearly target specific code
19:00:21amiconn(in this case, pp specific)
19:00:40austriancodernot easy..
19:00:42amiconnThe generic stuff already resides under firmware/drivers/
19:01:04amiconns/under/in/
19:02:57austriancoderamiconn: what rockbox target do you own?
19:03:19amiconnWrong question... what rockbox target_s_ it is ;)
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19:04:12pixelmaaustriancoder: a lot, if you look at our christmas tower of rockbox (in the wiki) you'll see most of them... only 3 of all those are mine ;)
19:04:16amiconnArchos Player, Recorder v1, Ondio SP, Ondio FM, Iriver H180, Iriver H340, Iriver H10 6GB, iAudio X5, iPod 1st Gen, iPod 2nd Gen, Mini 2nd Gen
19:04:27amiconnPlus one not-yet target - iUadio M3
19:04:33amiconn*iAudio
19:04:50austriancoderamiconn: Because I have an other patch waiting.. but I dont know how to procced with it - #8602
19:05:01austriancoderwow
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19:08:11kkurbjunamiconn, I don't understand your arguments for the revert
19:08:31amiconnWell the debug code is apps layer code
19:08:42kkurbjunwhat is your proposal for the target specific code in debug-menu?
19:09:04kkurbjunso you just don't like where it is being placed?
19:09:05amiconnIt might make sense to create an apps/debug/ folder and put it there
19:09:15amiconnYes, as target tree is firmware/
19:09:20kkurbjunpersonally I would like ot see all target specific code in one easy to find location
19:09:47kkurbjunspreading it out does not really offer any added benefit in my mind
19:10:16amiconnWell, this way you spread debug code instead, which is not meant to stay permanently
19:10:55kkurbjunagreed, but that debug code is riddled with #ifdefs which makes it difficult to read
19:11:24kkurbjunand for at least the dm320 and s3c targets there are a few specific sections that are very target centric
19:11:27amiconnMy main arguments are (1) keep debug code together so that this mostly temporary code stays together and (2) do not mix apps/ and firmware/ as that separation is there for a reason
19:11:44austriancodermaybe its time to remove some debug stuff for some targets
19:12:12kkurbjunI don't think any of the targets are ready to have debug code removed
19:12:30kkurbjunI don't think there should be any target specific code in apps if it can be avoided
19:12:38amiconnThe big problem is that sometimes even old debug code might become useful again. Some is also quite generic stuff that helps us tracking down user problems
19:12:43kkurbjunI understand that it is necessary though
19:13:19kkurbjunbut I think the debug menu would be a good exception ot this rule, moving it to a new location just adds more complexity for a new port
19:13:48kkurbjunand I personally like being able to easoily modify the gigabeat debug menu's
19:13:52kkurbjunsince I use that code alot
19:14:10kkurbjunwading through #ifdefs and code trees is painful at best
19:14:32kkurbjunplus the code in the target tree is pretty easy to pick out
19:14:41kkurbjunit's not like anyone will confuse what it is for
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19:16:52kkurbjunamiconn, what is the reason for making that distinction in the target tree, maybe I could better address that particular concern if I understood why that is supposed to be a /hard/ rule?
19:20:04amiconnThe distinction is between apps/ and firmware/ (whic target tree is a part of)
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19:20:49Buschelamiconn: what does "spinlock" exactly do. I am aksing because of it used to encapsulate the frequency scaling
19:21:06Buschelexcuse my typos...
19:21:10amiconnThat question you need to ask jhMikeS...
19:21:13kkurbjunbut apps and firmware are mixed in compilation anyway
19:21:29Buschelok
19:22:11amiconnThey aren't mixed
19:22:15kkurbjunall that's being moved, at least in the dm320 and s3c targets are two functions in the debug menu
19:22:21amiconnfirmware/ is compiled into a library
19:22:57amiconnapps/ is compiled into single objects which are linked together and against the firmware library (librockbox.a)
19:23:24kkurbjungotcha, I see
19:23:35kkurbjunwaht about an apps/target tree?
19:23:57austriancodernice idea :)
19:24:10amiconnThis distinction is mainly to keep a somewhat logical structure and avoid wild spaghetti calls
19:24:52kkurbjunI see
19:24:55amiconnapps/target doesn't make sense in general because apps/ should be as target independent as possible by definition
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19:25:29kkurbjunI can understand why you would be opposed to the mi, if there is an exception now then where is the line drawn in the future
19:25:33amiconnOne of rockbox' goals is to act as similar as possible across all supported targets
19:26:04kkurbjunyeah, but in apps/target we could have specific code optimizations that are used in apps
19:26:07amiconnThat's why I suggested the apps/debug/ sub-folder, which should be the only exception
19:27:12kkurbjunwe have cpu specific code in apps though
19:27:32amiconnYes, but *only* cpu, not more specific
19:27:59kkurbjunthe target could be target/arm(coldfire, sh)
19:28:00amiconnThis cpu specific code would also apply if someone e.g. runs a simulator on an arm based *nix
19:28:26kkurbjunsimilar to what is done in firmware
19:28:36amiconn(e.g. an xscale based pda)
19:28:43kkurbjunin this case it would require one deeper level for the target specifc debug code
19:29:13amiconnNo, since the code in firmware/target/ is *target* specifc. Most of it isn't compiled at all for sims
19:29:36amiconnJust some target specific definitions are included from there
19:29:46kkurbjunthe arm tree has cpu only specific code
19:30:07kkurbjunthe mmu would be an example on arm vx and greater
19:30:07austriancoderI am happy with apps/debug, but the question is how to organize files and even folders in there?
19:30:23amiconnThe arm tree has cpu specific code which applies to targets only
19:30:36kkurbjunok, gotcha
19:30:40amiconnFor sims, the appropriate libs provided by the host system must be used
19:31:06kkurbjunI'm thinking that it would be difficult to seperate the cpu specific code out of apps anyway in a clean manner
19:31:29kkurbjunI just liked the idea of having all target specific code in a central location
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19:31:32austriancodermaybe something like apps/debug/<model>.c
19:31:57kkurbjunthe .lds scripts for apps.lds and boot.lds would be another example of something that owuld be nice to have in one place
19:32:05amiconnkkurbjun: Don't mix 'cpu specifc' and 'target specific'
19:32:44kkurbjunno, I'm not in what I said last, I liked having the target specific portions of the debug menu in the target tree
19:32:45amiconnThe linker scripts *are* target specifc
19:32:51amiconnNone of these are used for the sims
19:33:03kkurbjunit was a logical place without understanding the reason between the apps and firmware division
19:33:12kkurbjunI agree
19:33:25kkurbjunbut not the plugin linker script
19:33:28amiconnSo those scripts should of course be spilt and moved to firmware/target/
19:33:35kkurbjunwhich has some target specific portions in it
19:33:52amiconnYeah, the plugin linker script is a bit of a problem
19:33:55kkurbjunand plugin.lds depends on how apps.lds is setup
19:34:26amiconn...since plugins reside on app layer, but the linking is target specifc
19:35:02kkurbjunyes, same with that debug code, it's in the apps layer but target specific
19:35:18amiconnWe should probably move plugin.lds to target tree as well
19:35:39kkurbjunthat breaks the divison though
19:35:55kkurbjunI personally would like to see all of those pieces in the target tree
19:36:04kkurbjunI think that's the logical place for it
19:36:07amiconnIt doesn't, at least not nearly as much as moving the debug menu code
19:36:56kkurbjunyeah, I guess that debug code it linked into the library
19:37:03kkurbjunfor firmware
19:37:03SlasheriNico_P: hi, could you fix the playback engine to call unbuffer events immediately after track has been played? if that would make it easier to fix the runtime data gathering from playback.c
19:37:15SlasheriNico_P: now that would be no longer a problem causing an extra spinup
19:37:16amiconnThe plugin linker script is only used on target. Sim plugins are dynamic libs (.so / .dll). The linker scripts also don't do UI interaction
19:37:41amiconnThe debug code does though, that's why it is clearly apps code, imo
19:37:48kkurbjungotcha
19:38:06kkurbjunso you would like to see the .lds stuff in the target tree, but not the debug code
19:38:12amiconnyes
19:38:22kkurbjunI am ok with that since the debug code is not critical to getting a new port running
19:38:25amiconnIn fact there will probably always be corner cases
19:39:09amiconnI will (hopefully soon) add an asm optimisation for the greyscale lib which is kind of target specfic
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19:39:28kkurbjuna target specific section in apps for the debug code would be reasonable I think
19:39:39amiconnIt doesn't depend on an exact target, but on both cpu (coldfire) and pixelformat
19:39:45kkurbjunI just don't want ot see the gigabeat code put back in the main debug menu
19:39:56amiconnYes, that'd be my apps/debug/ suggestion
19:40:15amiconnWould be nice to hear other core dev opinions on this
19:40:16kkurbjunso do you think it would be apps/debug/arm/s3c..?
19:40:31amiconnyup, like that
19:40:51amiconnAnd the linker script should all be moved to target tree
19:40:57amiconn*scripts
19:41:01kkurbjunagreed
19:42:52kkurbjunso now that tree just needs to be created and some #ifdef sections added to the apps/SOURCES file
19:43:04kkurbjunor can you think of a better way to do it than the #ifdefs there?
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19:45:46*pixelma will hand out all points she'll get to Slasheri :P
19:46:10pixelmaand austriancoder
19:46:19Nico_PSlasheri: yeah, that's quite easy to do
19:47:17Nico_PSlasheri: what does your latest commit change?
19:47:59kkurbjunamiconn, where are the calls between firmware and apps distinguished?
19:48:17SlasheriNico_P: now calling update event wont cause a spinup, unless queue gets full
19:48:55SlasheriNico_P: so now it would be ok to call the unbuffer event immediately after a track has been finished
19:49:02amiconnkkurbjun: There's one important point: apps code calls firmware code, never the other way round
19:49:19Nico_PSlasheri: cool! it will make things simpler
19:49:25SlasheriNico_P: nice :)
19:49:38SlasheriNico_P: i will probably improve that soon more
19:49:58Nico_PI guess we can do it in the track_changed_callback and get rid of the track_unbuffer_callback
19:50:32amiconnReverse actions always require callback registration (usually not the best solution) or sending events (better)
19:51:00kkurbjunamiconn, another arguement that I would like to bring up in that case then would be that the debug code follows that direction
19:51:19kkurbjunin that the apps code is calling that target specific chunk
19:51:21SlasheriNico_P: sounds great
19:51:33kkurbjunwell
19:51:37amiconnYeah, but it does UI interaction
19:51:50kkurbjunit's not a target specific call
19:52:00kkurbjunhmm
19:52:11kkurbjunthat UI code is ont used in the sim either though
19:52:13amiconnI know there's one dirty case in firmware/ - RoLo
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19:52:34amiconnThat needs to be fixed anyway, since it isn't localised either
19:52:34kkurbjun/ont/not
19:53:26kkurbjunwhat about a call that returns an array of data to then be used in the UI?
19:53:43kkurbjunbut the UI interface is defined in apps
19:54:52kkurbjunoh, gotcha, the ui calls in the target tree are the problem - sorry, I just connected that
19:56:33kkurbjunso what about that call for the data, but not the UI definition?
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19:58:52kkurbjunthat could also give the other targets debug menu's a familiar appearance and a unified UI in debug as an added benefit - it also seems like more work than necessary for a debug menu - at the same time the tree should be kept as clean as possible
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20:05:48kkurbjunamiconn, I am going ahead and sanatizing the apps calls from the debug code and just returning filled buffers of data to display as an alternative
20:05:58kkurbjunfor the gigabeat and dm320 at least
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20:06:13kkurbjunthat will keep those reverse calls out
20:06:41markunjhMikeS: I find the headphone debounce delay too long
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20:07:21markundid you have any problems with it before your change?
20:07:45Tarthhello i still cant get rockbox to work on my ipod60gb
20:08:07Tarthi'm running xp pro now
20:08:40Tarthused the auto installer and nothing, the crappod just reboots normal. what did i do wrong?
20:08:53krazykitTarth, have you tried doing a manual installation?
20:09:13Tarthno. will that work? i hate ipods
20:09:31krazykitit should work.
20:09:33Slasheripixelma: ups, you meant that red.. fixing :)
20:10:28Tarthi sure hope this works!
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20:13:20markunTarth: do you think you will hate your ipod less with rockbox on it?
20:13:30Tarthi cant tell you how much i hate apple and their apple software only player.
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20:13:47Tarthyes i will love it.
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20:14:04Tarthdrag and drop, plays vid files without conversion
20:14:24krazykitTarth, have you read the manual? you still need to convert video for rockbox.
20:14:27Tarthi could care less about less battier life,
20:14:31Tarthseveral times
20:15:54Tarthi think this was my trouble before, the bootloader runs under xp only, and the autoinstall does read its not updayed
20:16:27Tarthwonderful, bootupdate is doing its thing
20:17:45Horschtare you using rbutil?
20:18:03Tarthyes i was.
20:18:52Tarthit put all the stuff where it needed. exseped the bootstrap
20:19:05krazykitTarth, the term is the bootloader
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20:19:26Tarthall right bootloader says installed sucsessfully
20:20:08Tarthhalaula
20:20:18Tarthnow to read tinny print
20:20:18Horschtguess it worked...
20:21:10Tarthim so happy
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20:22:51Tarthhow to add my own fonts i wonder
20:23:28Tarthi like lucida console
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20:24:45rasherTarth: with great difficulty (because most fonts today are vector fonts, and Rockbox needs bitmap fonts)
20:25:21rasherTarth: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts
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20:27:36Tarththank you
20:29:07jhMikeSmarkun: it bounces like crazy and plugging makes it go play, plause, play, pause ... as you plug or extract the headphones. perhaps it could be shortened a bit but not too much.
20:29:52kkurbjunjhMikeS: is this on the gigabeat?
20:29:59jhMikeSthough I can't imagine why 1s so long
20:30:05jhMikeSkkurbjun: yes
20:30:32kkurbjunhave you seen the hardware filter you can use on ports?
20:30:39jhMikeSit can be adjusted for any target really
20:31:30kkurbjunthis would be specifically a gigabeat F feature, but the ports have a debouncing filter that is somewhat programmable
20:31:46jhMikeSkkurbjun: didn't notice that but why would that change anything re: the contact frequency?
20:32:13markunjhMikeS: 1s is long because I loose 1 second of my audio book for example. But I guess I could let it rewind 1s after unpause.
20:32:28kkurbjunwell, yeah, actually I might be thinking of an external interupt debouncing feature
20:32:37Tarthargh exploer forze and wont restart. does anyone know of a sortcut to rebooting?
20:32:46markunI never had problems with play, pause, play, etc
20:32:49kkurbjunand youre right it won't change how long it will have to be filtered for
20:32:58kkurbjunso nevemind :P
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20:33:37markunTarth: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC and then kill it and start it again in "run task"?
20:34:15jhMikeSmarkun: when I was checking that out the short rewind worked nicely. the bouncing is much more noticeable with video.
20:34:28Tarthwell thats just it xp wont resarte xp. lol i love fire fox keeps running. brb
20:34:36jhMikeSplug really slowly
20:34:50markunjhMikeS: ah, never tried it with video
20:35:06Tarththe fire demo app wont exit in rockbox
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20:35:25Tarthwhat, sorry select menu did it
20:35:28jhMikeSI guess you'd have to disable the one-shot to see it though
20:35:36Tarthbrb
20:35:53amiconnaustriancoder: There's still some red left...
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20:38:53rasherTarth: We have a lovely manual which documents that (and a lot of other stuff)
20:39:35jhMikeSmarkun: another way to see the bouncing is to set the timeout really short and also use the rewind feature and watch it rewind by several settings intervals on a single unplug or plug
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20:42:11Tarth_how do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected?
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20:43:08Tarthhow do i fix...rockbox ipod60gb form freezing my com when usb connected?
20:43:29bluebrotherTarth: there is no need of repeating yourself.
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20:43:46bluebrothercan you elaborate "freezing" a bit further? Rockbox doesn't have a usb mode (yet)
20:44:50jhMikeScurrent SVN tries inits threads from within the tick ISR so freezing is to be expected at this time
20:45:06Tarthwell i put the ipod on the usb corb, and no programs, explorer, task bar. will respond, but however the numlock will respond. the processor seems to be not to bussy
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20:45:40Tarthare there speacial driver for rock box?
20:45:40bluebrotherjhMikeS: freezing of the host PC?
20:45:45*bluebrother is puzzled
20:45:46Tarthyes
20:46:12bluebrotherno, once the usb driver is working it will be a UMS device. No driver required
20:46:45Tarthwell that worked before.
20:46:54rasherTarth: Where did you download Rockbox from?
20:47:24Tarthrockbox.org
20:47:28rasherOr did you install using the Rockbox utility?
20:47:35Tarthbothy
20:47:50rasherThen that's not the problem at least
20:48:12Tarthwell ok. whats my particualr xps problem you think then?
20:48:35rasherI quite frankly have no idea
20:48:46kkurbjunamiconn, what do you think of this as a solution? :http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2
20:49:01rasherTarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in?
20:49:05Tarththere it does it again
20:49:08kkurbjunit's a bit messy right now because of the diff
20:49:19Tarthall microsft thing die
20:49:43Tarthin running chatzilla off oof firefox
20:49:52JdGordonSlasheri: did your commit actualy fix the problem? in my tests it didnt?
20:50:18Tarthunplug it and now everthings dandy
20:50:21rasherTarth: What happens on the ipod when you plug it in?
20:50:33Tarthi swear i will burn this thing
20:50:41rasherErr. Didn't mean to do that, but you didn't answer my question in fact
20:51:29jhMikeSbluebrother: well, I doubt that
20:52:15BuscheljHMikeS: as you are the expert -> what does "spinlock" exactly do? i am asking because it's used for encapsulating the frequency scaling.
20:52:36Tarthgoes from theme usb splash to check mark do not disconnect screen
20:53:38bluebrotherthe "do not disconnect" screen is apple's usb mode.
20:54:10rasherThat indicates a problem with Windows that is not Rockbox related
20:54:23jhMikeSBuschel: mutual exclusion between processor cores
20:54:24rasherOr a problem with the Apple firmware I suppose
20:54:54Tarthi thought rockbox replaces apple firmware.?
20:54:59BuscheljhMikeS: somethin like a cross-core mutex?
20:55:32bluebrotherit does. But apples bootloader and emergency usb mode is still present.
20:55:40jhMikeSBuschel: right. no on-core task swiches happen
20:55:48Rob222241@Rockbox Devs: I like the KeyTone option, bus is there a chance to get a third option for it? Yes/No/All_but_Volume ?
20:55:50bluebrotherand as Rockbox doesn't have a complete usb driver (yet) it uses emergency disc mode
20:55:55rasherTarth: It doesn't, it lives alongside it. And currently Rockbox reboots into Apple's Disk mode for USB functionality when USB is plugged in
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20:57:54jhMikeSBuschel: It's just the corelock wrapped to allow reentrancy by the core that holds the lock (which makes things easier to deal with).
20:58:05*gevaerts has now improved the usb storage code so much that it doesn't work any more
20:58:35Tarthso what if i put the ipod in disk mode manually frist. what is it play select?
20:59:21rasherTarth: Yeah, try that and see if your computer still freezes when connecting. That should rule out the last remote chance that what you're seeing is Rockbox related
20:59:28preglowpoor build table
20:59:44bluebrothergevaerts: nice ;-)
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21:00:09rasherpreglow: Oh my, colourful
21:00:33Tarthi can ust atl tab but mycomputer wont open up to look at the new drive
21:01:06Tarthhell i can even open mydocuments on the desktop
21:01:18rasherTarth: Right, then it is not a Rockbox problem, and as such off topic for this channel
21:01:24Tarthbut it wont let me go up levels
21:01:30Tarthok ok
21:01:39bluebrotherkill explorer.exe using the task manager and restart it manually. Or reboot.
21:01:59Tarthone last quetion, rock box will work in win98?
21:02:14bluebrotherRockbox runs on your player, not on the PC.
21:02:23BuscheljhMikeS: hmm, can a spinlock/-unlock sequence be interrupted by interrupt or any task switching at all?
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21:02:47rasherTarth: If you have iTunes installed, try getting rid of that (either completely or temporarily by killing all itunes related processes)
21:02:52bluebrotherand apples disc mode is simply UMS. You just need a UMS USB driver (on w98, later versions of windows already have such a driver)
21:02:52SlasheriJdGordon: what problem? i didn't notice any
21:02:52Tarthgoodbye thank you
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21:05:41jhMikeSBuschel: if there's no yield obviously no task switch will happen but right now it's not safe to yield inside it but my kernel cleanup makes it possible. an interrupt can happen if interrupts aren't disabled.
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21:09:44jhMikeSreally, I wouldn't recommend allowing a switch when holding it. it's meant for code that shouldn't switch on core but to serialize thing between cores unlike a mutex with handles any thread from any core.
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21:10:37BuscheljhMikeS: of course. I am asking because i was wondering, if changing the clock could be interrupted by other tasks
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21:11:01Buschelwhich would be kind of suicide
21:13:35jhMikeSThat's why the disable and slight delays which are to keep the other core unclocked while the clock changing core sets the registers.
21:13:38JdGordonSlasheri: the extra spinning up
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21:14:35SlasheriJdGordon: well, i didn't notice that
21:14:41Slasheriat least the queuing seems to work well now
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21:16:56BuscheljhMikeS: there is a flyspray entry which describes issues with cross-fading between different codecs. the user sais this issue comes up more often since my power patch, but they were there before. my only idea is the frequency scaling...
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21:20:13jhMikeSI'm not sure why it should be an issue unless the new code make frequency switching take much longer than before for some weird reason
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21:47:26saratogai'm having trouble figuring out how to select the progress bar style
21:47:38saratogais there an option for that somewhere?
21:47:43saratogaright now i just get a blank line
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21:52:12robin0800on the current build page some models have different build numbers to others why?
21:52:52Bagderbecause of austriancoder ;-)
21:53:04Bagderthey don't build atm
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21:55:17saratogais there someone I could ask about the progress bar in WPS files?
21:55:24saratogai have everything else working for Cabbie
21:55:43saratogabut the progress bar doesn't appear unless i load the theme from inside rockbox, and i can't figure out why
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22:08:29Bagdernice creative progress
22:09:31petur?
22:09:40Bagderhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0
22:09:50Bagdercreative zen version:m
22:09:54Bagdervision:m even
22:10:14Bagderrunning custom code
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22:13:03peturwow...
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22:17:53saratogais the vision M the furthest along TI target?
22:18:00Nico_Pawesome!
22:18:18saratogai may have to get one in order to play with that cool new DSP compiler TI released
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22:18:54Bagderthe mrobe500 already did sound
22:22:37JdGordon... just waiting for eigima to commit it
22:23:45rasherHurray, another language brougt up to date
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22:25:12rasherBagder: What do you think of FS #8578?
22:25:19ally_oxxxooohey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine?
22:26:03Bagderrasher: sounds good to me!
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22:26:36ally_oxxxoooany ideas?
22:27:18Horschthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
22:27:33Horschti gave you that wiki page a few hours ago, already
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22:28:02IRCMonkeyhow hard is it to port an app to rockbox?
22:28:33Bagderit depends
22:28:42rasherBagder: The thing for the Player is rather obvious, but what about not shipping outdated languages?
22:29:37IRCMonkeyok something writen in visual basic 6 in windows
22:29:41rasherMy personal preference is that I'd rather use an English interface than a 25% Danish and 75% English interface
22:29:41Bagderrasher: well, it doesn't make a lot of sense to ship them, but then they don't hurt much and a crappy translation file might serve as a motivation for people to work on it more than a missing file
22:29:49Casainhohello :-) - is there any page on TWiki that talks about RB bootloader?
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22:30:17ally_oxxxooohey guys, i have a question. My ipod nano is not formated with FAT32 because i have a Mac. Can i still formate it from a linux machine?
22:30:23HorschtWTF
22:30:27Horschthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
22:30:27rasherBagder: Indeed. I guess I can add it as disabled and and then it can be disabled at release time (...)
22:30:37Bagdertrue
22:30:59rasherBut excluding literally useless languages for the Player is a no-brainer
22:31:15BagderCasainho: there really isn't that much to say in generic terms about it. but there are a few target-specific pages about the boot, like IaudioBoot
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22:32:15CasainhoBagder: okok, I will read that IaudioBoot - I was expecting a general page to link to them :-)
22:32:36BagderCasainho: the bootloader isn't a lot to document
22:32:36peturargh
22:32:56rasherDoes anyone object to switching the seek buttons on Sansa to use the ones that appear to be left and right when the player is flipped?
22:33:00Bagderother than internal functionality of course, and we bascially never document that
22:33:26ally_oxxxooohow do i unmount my ipod?
22:33:33Bagderrasher: are you talking mpegplayer then?
22:33:46rasherBagder: Ah yes, rather important detail
22:34:09rasherIt doesn't make much sense imho to use the actual left/right buttons, even though they have seek symbols printed on them
22:34:14Horschton linux, it's usualy "umount /dev/sdX"
22:34:14CasainhoBagder: eheh - but for new people like me, I think is importante... well, If have time, I will write a basic page bout it :-)
22:34:17*Bagder never watches video on his sansa...
22:34:21Horschtally_oxxxooo
22:34:32BagderCasainho: indeed, go ahead!
22:34:34rasherBagder: Then imagine having to use up/down to seek in the wps.. it feels really strange
22:35:28Bagdersounds like a valid point
22:36:42rasherI think the Gigabeat is flipped, but then that doesn't have seek symbols printed on it afaik
22:36:55ally_oxxxoooyes horscht?
22:37:08ally_oxxxooocan i do "http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32" from my linux computer?
22:37:15ally_oxxxoooor do i need access to a mac?
22:38:02Horschtboth would probably work
22:39:44Horschtthe wiki is focused on mac, but all the terminal commands should work on Linux as well. a few have to be modified (linux usualy uses /dev/sdX instead of /dev/diskN iirc
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22:40:17ally_oxxxoooyeah horscht i just unmounted my ipod nano from my Mac
22:40:28***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:40:39ally_oxxxooonow im taking it to my linux pc and trying to download the partition and terminal commands
22:40:42ally_oxxxooohope this works!
22:40:48Horschtno, this wont work
22:41:36Horschtor maybe it will, but most linux distros will mount Universal mass storage devices
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22:41:52Horschtso you'll have to unmount it in linux again
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22:43:18ally_oxxxooohorscht im not sure what "DiskN" is, can you explain?
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22:43:42jac0bit is a known bug with the lists using viewports patch to have the icons not aligned with the text?
22:44:22ally_oxxxooodarn Horscht, I was able to unmount my ipod on my Mac but i can't figure out how on linux, any ideas?
22:44:44Horschtsame command, different device probably
22:44:55ally_oxxxooooh never mind i found it
22:44:57Horschtumount /dev/<devicehere>
22:45:06ally_oxxxoooi just right-click the icon and there is "unmount"
22:45:18ally_oxxxooohorscht: im not too good with linux commands hehe, still learning though
22:45:31ally_oxxxooocan you explain what "diskN" is?
22:45:38pixelmasaratoga: I don't understand your problem have with the progress bar in the wps. In cabbiev2 it is simply a bmp (which should be in the cabbiev2 folder as other bitmaps used by the WPS) and is referenced from the .wps file
22:45:39Horschti think that will actually eject the device, not only unmount it
22:45:47Horschtally_oxxxooo, it's a variable
22:46:00ally_oxxxooobut how do i find out which diskN i use for my ipod
22:46:11Horschtit's the "name" of the device
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22:46:11ally_oxxxoooi mean, to find out what "diskN" is assigned to my ipod
22:46:21ally_oxxxooooh mine is "ally's ipod"
22:46:25Horschtno
22:46:51ally_oxxxoooNOTE you must replace "diskN" with the correct name of the disk device assigned to your iPod - disk1, disk2 etc. Using an incorrect device name in this command may result in the partition table for another hard disk in your system being changed. Which is very bad news.
22:47:12Horschton *nix systems, every hardware has an entry in /dev/
22:47:20ally_oxxxoooright
22:47:52ally_oxxxooo is it "/media/Ally's Ipod" ?
22:47:53Horschton linux, your ipod could be sdb, but I can't tell you for sure
22:48:05Horschtno, that's teh mountpoint
22:48:13ally_oxxxoooah
22:48:22Horschtthis is where /dev/<device> is mounted too
22:48:22ally_oxxxooowhat command can i type to find out what diskN?
22:48:38Horschtthat, I don't know
22:48:48ally_oxxxooo:(
22:49:17ally_oxxxooodoes anyone know what diskN is assigned to an ipod?
22:49:53Horschtit's different on every system, ally_oxxxooo
22:50:11ally_oxxxoooi know, but im saying... how do i know which diskN to use?
22:50:12ally_oxxxooosigh*
22:50:20*ally_oxxxooo confused now
22:50:46ally_oxxxoooi use Ubuntu horscht
22:50:47pixelmarasher: do I see correctly that you excluded bulgarian for the player? AFAIK bulgarian uses mostly cyrillic like characters and those should work there. Just asking...
22:51:12Horschtally_oxxxooo, type "nano /etc/mtab"
22:51:36ally_oxxxooook
22:51:52ally_oxxxooosda3?
22:51:57Horschtand look for a line that looks like /dev/XXXXX /media/Ally's Ipod
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22:52:23ally_oxxxoooyes its /dev/sda3 /media/Ally's Ipod
22:52:28ally_oxxxooogreat work Horscht :)
22:52:41Horscht/dev/sda is your ipod then
22:52:57Horschtso, type "sudo umount /dev/sda3"
22:53:02ally_oxxxooook
22:53:12Horschtwait, exit nano first
22:53:21ally_oxxxoooi did
22:53:24Horschtby pressing CTRL + C
22:53:28Horschtah, ok
22:53:42ally_oxxxooothat is weird
22:53:48ally_oxxxoooit says command not found
22:54:07*petur is thoroughly puzzled... removing the SLEEP ata command (which never fails) solves the freezing. PIO modes and ata timings have some influence but don't prevent freezing... :(
22:54:10Horschtsudo umount
22:54:28Horschtnote that on linux, capitalization is important
22:54:34ally_oxxxooosame thing when i type "sudo unmount" command not found
22:54:47ally_oxxxoooohh
22:54:56ally_oxxxoooi spelled it wrong
22:54:56ally_oxxxooosorry
22:55:04ally_oxxxooookay
22:55:07Horschtumount, not unmount
22:55:13ally_oxxxoooi umount it just now
22:55:18Horschtok, before proceding further
22:55:20rasherpixelma: right, I'm confused. Cyrillic works on Player. See I knew that, because I didn't exclude Russian, and yet... I'll fix.
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22:56:18pixelma:)
22:56:35Horschtally_oxxxooo, whenever http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 talks about diskN, that's "sda"
22:56:36saratogapixelma: the progress bar doesn't update
22:56:46ally_oxxxooosda or sda3?
22:56:51HorschtdiskNs2 is sda3
22:56:51saratogait just draws the backdrop and the text, but doesn't actually scroll
22:56:58rasherpixelma: I may have missed something else - if you find languages that won't work on the Player, feel free to fix
22:57:00saratogaobviously i'm not setting something, but i have no idea what
22:57:20HorschtI'll go to bed now
22:57:20ally_oxxxoooso you want me to put diskNs2 ?
22:57:30Horschtno, you follow the wiki link
22:57:40ally_oxxxoooim on the wiki link now
22:57:43pixelmasaratoga: I can't imagine what it is because the progress bar is a wps thing only
22:57:44Horschtand everytime it talks about disN, you use sda instead
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22:57:53Horschtand whenever it uses diskNs2, you use sda3
22:58:01ally_oxxxoooyeah horscht i thougth that was right :)
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22:59:20Horschthmmm... from my knowledge, it should be sda2 instead of sda3, though
22:59:47HorschtI am going to bed now, though
22:59:47Horschtnn
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23:00:08ally_oxxxooodd: opening `mbr-nano2gb.bin': No such file or directory
23:00:14ally_oxxxooothe file is on my desktop..
23:00:21ally_oxxxooowhy does it give me an error?
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23:00:42Horschtbecause you're in your home directory
23:00:46Horschtnot your desktop
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23:00:51Horschtcd Desktop
23:00:56ally_oxxxoooim on ally@ally-desktop
23:01:23Horschtally-desktop is your computers name
23:01:30ally_oxxxoooah sorry
23:02:04Casainhoanyone can tell me how many MB RB bootloader typically use? 1MB? 4 MB?
23:02:08rasherBagder: What was the problem with your patch on FS #8482? It seems to work for me
23:02:11ally_oxxxooookay so i think its working now Horscht: 1+0 records in
23:02:11ally_oxxxooo1+0 records out
23:02:11ally_oxxxooo512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0595284 seconds, 8.6 kB/s
23:02:14pixelmasaratoga: what target are you testing with? Not that I have an idea if it changes something but who knows...
23:02:25saratogapixelma: just the gigabeat sim
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23:02:47Bagderrasher: I don't remember right now but I had some problems. Do you build with make -j ?
23:02:49saratogai get no progress bar until I load the actual theme file, though everything else in cabbie works fine with my latest patch
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23:03:18rasherBagder: Ah, no I don't
23:03:53saratoga"statusbar: on" refers to the bar at the bottom with the icons right? or is that the progress bar
23:03:54gevaertsCasainho: you mean on flash ? My sansa c200's bootloader.bin is 55004 bytes
23:04:19pixelmasaratoga: no that refers to the statusbar in the menus and browser
23:04:21Horschtbtw, ally_oxxxooo. I think you'll have to replace diskN2 with sda2 instead of sda3. I assume Mac Ipods have a different partition setup, winpods only have 2 partitions
23:04:23rasherBagder: Still seems to work fine with -j 3 (although my cpu doens't like it)
23:04:34*Bagder silently mentions that he advocates u-boot for Casainho
23:04:35Horschtnow, final nn
23:04:45Casainhogevaerts: yes, I was talking on flash... - so at least 100kB should be ok :-)
23:04:54rasherI'll upload a modified patch against current svn in a moment
23:04:57ally_oxxxooooh
23:05:01ally_oxxxooothat sucks! :(
23:05:08Bagderrasher: ok, I'll try that when you've done it
23:05:40CasainhoBagder: eheh :-) - thank you for remember :-) - well, can you estimate a size for the u-boot? do you think that u-boot makes sense in a comercial player?
23:06:06Bagderu-boot is used in hundreds of commercial devices already
23:06:11Bagderso I don't see why not
23:06:26Bagderand it's size can easily be below 100K, depending on what features you enable
23:06:34amiconnmrf
23:06:45rasherBagder: Done
23:07:43CasainhoBagder: ah, okok, I am writing on TWiki about space for RB bootloader, so in this case can be the u-boot, with about 100kB :-) - thank you.
23:08:15Bagderwell, it would be fairly easy to check the size
23:08:23Bagderu-boot is already there for the at91sam9 target
23:08:31rasherBagder: you might want to add some magic in the apps/lang/Makefile to re-implement what I just committed to buildzip.pl
23:09:19Bagderdid you miss a svn add perhaps?
23:09:40Bagderfor the apps/lang/Makefile
23:09:42rasherAh..
23:10:11BagderI do have the previous one still present though
23:11:04Bagdergah, and then I pick a target that is red atm... :-)
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23:11:39*amiconn is about to correct austriancoder's mess
23:11:46Bagderthanks!
23:12:37rasherAh, there comes the sysfont.h error for me.
23:12:57rasherWhich is rather obvious, since I'd been building for Player previously..
23:13:31*petur will then bother amiconn with his CF mess
23:13:40amiconnmeh
23:14:40petursorry for bothering ;)
23:15:05rasherBagder: I suppose apps/lang/Makefile should use makesrc.inc and the SOURCES should be split by BITMAP/non-bitmap
23:15:35kkurbjunamiconn, did you see the pastbin code I sent
23:15:50amiconnBagder: Does the build system perhaps need a bit of poking?
23:15:53kkurbjunas an alternative solution to keep app calls out of firmware
23:18:00Bagderamiconn: it does seem to have halted, but I don't see why...
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23:18:08pixelmarasher: btw. the two strings on your "deutsch.lang problems" page that are marked "unnecessary" are like intended. This is because "disk" is translated differently - one more like "hard disk" and the other for flash targets; for me this works as expected with deutsch.lang and a german voice file even though english.lang doesn't make this distinction
23:18:26*petur hands Bagder his big boots
23:18:46*gevaerts wonders if RoLo not making rockbox save it's settings like on shutdown can be considered a bug
23:19:33amiconnkkurbjun: That would avoid UI interaction in the target specific code, but it would not avoid debug code scattering
23:19:45*amiconn wonders what Bagder thinks about this issue
23:19:55rasherpixelma: Yeah - it's just a guideline anyway. I'm just hilighting potential problems. A human needs to check what to do (in this case, nothing)
23:22:17BagderI've not seen this particular pastebin, but I do agree with amiconn about debug screen being apps code so moving it to firmware/target isn't the nicest
23:22:30ally_oxxxooohey guys, my ipod is not getting detected, any ideas why?
23:22:49ally_oxxxoooim using rbuild utility but its not detecting my ipod and the install fails
23:23:41pixelmarasher: yes, understood. It's just that the explanation below this headline sounded harsher than the others :)
23:24:00rasherpixelma: True, but there's also a much higher probability that it's an error
23:24:12amiconnBagder: Today's log starting 18:40, and kkurbjuns suggestion http://pastebin.com/m456bcec2
23:24:19rasherpixelma: So that's a feature, not a bug
23:24:41pixelmaboth true :)
23:24:59amiconnIt's rather the opposite of that - the lack of AI in the script ;)
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23:26:07peturamiconn: did you seem my puzzledness at 22:54?
23:26:33*rasher notes that FS #8482 will free 11779 bytes on the Player
23:26:53rasherIf only it didn't break every bitmap build..
23:28:32pixelmaand the Player doesn't even have a bin size problem
23:28:48Bagderheheh
23:29:15rasherWell it should also save a good deal for the rest of the targets! Right now, several hundred kilobytes!
23:29:18Bagderbuild table back in green shade with yellow stripe
23:30:01peturwhat a mess
23:30:52rasherBagder: Weird, when I build I get a "create sysfont.h" line, and then later on it errors out with No rule to make target `sysfont.h'?
23:31:09Bagderkind of ironic that there were more points awarded for the bad reversion than for the original commit ;-)
23:31:57Bagderrasher: I think the latter is because the deps file hasn't got the correct path to the file
23:32:14rasherAha
23:32:30Bagderwhich typically happens when the file doesn't exist when the dep file is created
23:33:04Bagderthere's a hack in there for the lang.h exactly for that reason
23:33:27Bagderin tools/make.inc
23:34:00Bagderwould be interesting to try the same for sysfont to see if that fixes it
23:34:13rasherCrikey
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23:34:34rasherI think that's over my head
23:34:51Bagderthat's really an effect of our automatic dependency-generation and a slight lack of options for gcc for that purpose
23:37:16rasherI won't even pretend to understand what make.inc is doing
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23:39:04Bagderhm, yes it does seem to fix the problem...
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23:39:20rasherCommit!
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23:39:27BagderI'll just test some more first
23:39:35rasherYeah - did you get the latest version?
23:39:40Bagderv5, yes
23:39:46rasherGreat
23:40:23Bagderlots of warnings on the languages....
23:40:44rasherYeah, most of those are just genlang being silly (no quotes around none)
23:40:45Bagdershould we make sure they cause yellows?
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23:41:19rasherI think so
23:41:28Bagderah but then genlang should be poked to not whine on silly things
23:41:33rasherIndeed
23:41:37rasherI'll have a look
23:41:38Bagderand the warnings should be changed to look like other warnings better
23:41:48peturamiconn: gtg, the last state is that it seems related to the reset, ie not setting the sleeping flag also solves the freezing
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23:48:07rasherBagder: Changed in which way? I've added a check to the if statement before the "no quotes around voice" line to check if the voice is "none", but I'm not sure that's the appropriate place
23:49:05amiconnrasher: Btw, while the now included languages should all work on the player in general, it might be that a very few characters are missing.
23:49:45amiconnIn particular, I know of 2 such characters for czech. Probably something to check and add...
23:50:00rasherHow about Polish?
23:50:11amiconnThat should be okay
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23:50:32Bagderrasher: I think that's a fine place to do the change
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23:51:07rasherOkay. How should the errors look, then?
23:51:11amiconnIt's not that we'd need to exclude a language just because of a single character. Rather the font (built in in case of player) should be fixed or adjusted
23:51:51amiconnThe "no such char" symbol will show up in a few places
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23:53:18Bagderrasher: so my v6 is now uploaded for test
23:53:22rasher:wq
23:53:25rasherRight.
23:53:41*amiconn compiles a fresh build
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23:55:43saratogahow do I combine several #defines into a string using the preprocessor?
23:55:52amiconn##
23:56:12saratogawon't that just combine the define names and not their values?
23:56:23rasherBagder: I get a cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory before the genlang lines
23:56:32saratogaI tried LCD_WIDTH##x##LCD_HEIGHT
23:56:34dionoea#a makes a string out of the contents of a
23:56:50Bagderrasher: oh right, now I see I get those too...
23:56:59amiconnhttp://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Stringification.html#Stringification or http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.3/cpp/Concatenation.html#Concatenation
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23:57:16saratogaso I want #LCD_WIDTHxLCD_HEIGHT?
23:58:02dionoeawell that wouldn't work. #define foo(a) #a \n foo(LCD_WIDTH) "x" foo(LCD_HEIGHT) might work
23:58:13dionoeaand even that's not sure
23:58:26BagderI think it's a vague area in ansi
23:58:26saratogai just want to make a string that has the LCD's width and height
23:58:28*amiconn wonders what saratoga wants to do
23:58:34Bagderthe ordering of the cpp operations

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