| 00:00:49 | gevaerts | Lars_G: The two main ways seem to be "-DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB" in the EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile, or #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB in firmware/export/config-<your-target>.h |
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| 00:01:14 | Lars_G | gevaerts: meh I was doing it autoconf style, thanks a lot. |
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| 00:01:51 | crzyboyster | I was trying to install vmware on my computer by following these directions > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#Quick_start_guide I have downloaded both the installer and the image and am currently extracting it using 7zip. What should I do next? And what does "md5sum: b53ee439589acd7233d2a59752fbe759" mean? The wiki isn't really clear on where to put the image? |
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| 00:02:35 | Lars_G | Hmmmm whose vendor and device IDs are we spoofing for the stack? |
| 00:02:57 | gevaerts | Lars_G: those of the OF for the same device. |
| 00:03:08 | bluebrother | crzyboyster: an md5sum is a cryptographic has. Usually used to verify the integrity of a file |
| 00:03:10 | Lars_G | Ah nice |
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| 00:04:51 | crzyboyster | Should I care about that? And what should I do with this file that's being extracted from the image > rockbox-flat.vmdk ? Should I install vmware first? |
| 00:05:18 | crzyboyster | My bad, should've installed vmware first thing. |
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| 00:05:42 | Bagder | crzyboyster: you can install that now and just make it use that vmdk file |
| 00:06:51 | crzyboyster | Can I change the location of the Rockbox.vmx , rockbox.vmdk , and rockbox-flat.vmdk files? |
| 00:07:00 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:07:59 | crzyboyster | So every time I want to compile somthing, I should launch the rockbox.vmx file? |
| 00:08:22 | Bagder | well, you should launch vmware, yes |
| 00:08:46 | Bagder | or install cygwin, or just go with linux all the way! |
| 00:09:16 | crzyboyster | cygwin doesn't work on my computer for some reason... |
| 00:09:30 | bluebrother | install linux ;-) |
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| 00:10:19 | * | linuxstb 3rds |
| 00:10:32 | crzyboyster | I've never used linux in my life and have no patience to learn how to. And does Ubuntu have a full linux install included? |
| 00:10:56 | * | bluebrother is always annoyed by the requirement to develop on windows at work |
| 00:11:04 | bluebrother | ubuntu _is_ a linux distribution. |
| 00:11:52 | crzyboyster | Is there a way to dual boot Windows XP and Ubuntu? And will this "way" not end up destroying my beloved 6 year old computer? |
| 00:11:52 | Lars_G | Using the new stack!! weee |
| 00:11:58 | bluebrother | you need to bring some patience if you want to program on Rockbox anyway. |
| 00:12:11 | advcomp2019 | crzyboyster, yea there is a way |
| 00:12:17 | bluebrother | crzyboyster: linux is an OS, not a computer-destroying-virus. |
| 00:12:35 | Lars_G | I will try it out strongly with OS X, the OF usb has been failing horribly with OS X |
| 00:12:37 | bluebrother | and I use dual-boot since ... well, at least 10 years or so. |
| 00:13:11 | crzyboyster | I know... and I don't plan on programming on rockbox, just compiling my own build maybe and generating a lang file or two. |
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| 00:15:37 | gevaerts | amiconn: I added disk->usb serial number support by encoding each character in two hex digits. I think I did everything right, but I obviously couldn't test. |
| 00:15:50 | magmaniac | petur: you might already know this, but I found something reassuring in the CF spec: "For CF Storage devices, recovery from sleep mode is accomplished by simply issuing another command to the device. A hardware or software reset is not required." (8.1.2.4 in "ATA Functional Differences") - so skipping the soft reset is okayed by the spec! (then again, the spec is constantly violated...) |
| 00:16:09 | petur | magmaniac: yes I know |
| 00:16:49 | petur | the problem is unifying the code - we can't use an ifdef like for ipodnano |
| 00:17:20 | magmaniac | right, that's why I was thinking about how to tell CF and HD apart |
| 00:17:34 | petur | I thought so ;) |
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| 00:18:11 | magmaniac | but with all these spec violations it is almost impossible |
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| 00:23:51 | Bagder | http://www.itavisen.no/sak/507268/Spill_FLAC_p%C3%A5_iPod/ |
| 00:24:03 | Bagder | strangely short article in Norwegian |
| 00:24:14 | rasher | Ny? |
| 00:24:35 | rasher | Wow, that is short indeed |
| 00:24:35 | Bagder | says "1 february" |
| 00:24:53 | Bagder | and we've got >800 referrers from it this month |
| 00:25:17 | rasher | :) |
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| 00:27:36 | Lars_G | Imagine how many you'd get if it said "2 february" |
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| 00:29:20 | Bagder | we've got >2000 from the wikipedia article as a comparison |
| 00:30:09 | linuxstb | Maybe that's why we've had a lot of questions about the 160GB today... |
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| 00:30:57 | Bagder | ah right, the article mentions the 160GB classic in the picture text |
| 00:31:41 | linuxstb | I've no idea _what_ it's saying though... |
| 00:31:57 | Bagder | "160 GB is more than enough for lossless music" |
| 00:33:19 | linuxstb | If only that was true... |
| 00:33:33 | magmaniac | that's around 500 CDs.. |
| 00:33:54 | Bagder | http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,142300-page,2-c,mp3players/article.html |
| 00:33:59 | Bagder | new pc world article |
| 00:34:51 | linuxstb | "linux-like" appearance? |
| 00:34:55 | Lars_G | magmaniac: in flac? |
| 00:34:57 | hcs | "all iPods", yay |
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| 00:35:26 | Lars_G | hcs: means lots of people comming to inquiry for the touch, the classic and the fatty :( |
| 00:35:34 | hcs | exactly |
| 00:35:45 | magmaniac | Lars_G: yes, roughly |
| 00:35:47 | * | linuxstb stops reading that article at the mention of Furthermore, the Rockbox support forums contain the occasional scary post declaring "Rockbox ruined my iPod!"... |
| 00:36:31 | Lars_G | linuxstb: shouldn't someone ask for the right to reply that fud? |
| 00:36:51 | Lars_G | I'll test writting to the usb stack in a while :D |
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| 00:37:20 | gevaerts | Lars_G: what device are you using ? |
| 00:37:22 | Lars_G | damn. a netsplit |
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| 00:37:39 | Lars_G | gevaerts: e260, non R |
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| 00:39:40 | sander_m | Hello. If my rockboxed ipod is mounted on /media/ipod, where do I put the music so the database works correctly? Can I put it anywhere? Does it have to be in /media/ipod/Music? /media/ipod/iPod_Control/Music? |
| 00:40:32 | Lars_G | sander_m: In short, anywhere will work, but I like to keep it clean |
| 00:40:41 | Lars_G | I use /media/<ipod>/Music for my own |
| 00:40:58 | midgey | gevaerts: svn using fullspeed seems to play nicely with my sansa e200 and mac |
| 00:41:40 | Lars_G | clear stuff a little for me, full speed is 1.1's 12Mb and high speed is 480Mb right? |
| 00:42:05 | sander_m | Thing is, I put a bunch of music under /media/ipod/Music and went to settings>>database and hit "update now". The old music (that I deleted from /media/ipod/iPod_Control/Music) disappeared, but the new songs from /media/ipod/Music wasn't added. |
| 00:42:14 | Lars_G | midgey: I hope that's true, my e260's OF is incredibly fidgety on the mac, it sometimes takes me three reboots to have the mac kernel stop panicing and mount it. |
| 00:42:39 | Lars_G | sander_m: try reiniting the db from scratch, and, did you reboot after the update? |
| 00:42:47 | gevaerts | midgey: so your earlier problems were probably caused by high speed I guess |
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| 00:43:07 | Lars_G | full speed is the default for svn right? |
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| 00:43:22 | midgey | Lars_G: i found that the oldest firmware seems to work the best. other versions refused to mount |
| 00:43:36 | gevaerts | Lars_G: yes. There are still problems with high speed |
| 00:43:43 | sander_m | Lars_G: After installing RockBox or after putting the new music on it? |
| 00:43:45 | midgey | gevaerts: seems likely, although i can't figure out dmesg |
| 00:44:11 | midgey | Lars_G: thats OF version 01.01.11A btw |
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| 00:44:48 | Lars_G | sander_m: after rebuilding or updating the db- |
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| 00:46:02 | sander_m | Lars_G: No. Do I have to do that after updating the DB? |
| 00:46:18 | Lars_G | sander_m: As of last version I've seen. yes |
| 00:46:33 | sander_m | Lars_G: Okay, thanks. |
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| 00:47:24 | gevaerts | midgey: on linux I also get 'uncommon' error messages with high speed, although not while enumerating. I really want to trace what's on the wire, which I can't do until monday, so there probably will be little or no progress on high speed until then. |
| 00:47:37 | sander_m | Lars_G: It works. Thanks! |
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| 00:49:14 | Lars_G | Btw I see there's serial mode and drive mode for the rockbox stack right now. |
| 00:49:37 | Lars_G | Do you think it'd be possible in the future to implement both as a multipoint virtual dev? we could control and load rockbox at the same time! |
| 00:49:41 | Lars_G | :D |
| 00:50:15 | Lars_G | gevaerts: I'm naturally wary of high speeds anyhow, my (via) chipset is horribly unstable for ehci, so much I tend to dissable it by hand |
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| 00:51:21 | gevaerts | They actually can be enabled at the same time right now (uncomment the #define USB_SERIAL in usb_core.h). It currently just echoes back what you send, with case inverted. |
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| 00:52:09 | Lars_G | Very nice |
| 00:52:47 | gevaerts | The first real use of that will probably be to send debug output to the host. |
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| 00:54:01 | Lars_G | Yes it'd be lovely for you guys to integrate that with gdb |
| 00:54:33 | Lars_G | But it opens a host of possibilities. |
| 00:54:42 | Lars_G | In fact I might try my hand at one I just came up with. |
| 00:54:43 | Lars_G | :D |
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| 00:55:01 | gevaerts | Lars_G: I think that gdb over this usb stack is unlikely to work well. |
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| 01:10:45 | Hodapp | I just got a current build according to the instructions on the site for a 3rd-generation iPod, and copied firmware and bootloader... but when I reset, I get the Apple logo and then a black screen with the backlight on. |
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| 01:10:59 | Hodapp | I tried both the automatic install and manual install, with the same results. |
| 01:11:24 | Hodapp | I can still reset back to factory settings, but I'd like to know what is going on here |
| 01:11:35 | Hodapp | do I need to do something different to reset and start up? |
| 01:12:19 | * | linuxstb wonders why the Player has a font_file in the settings struct |
| 01:13:19 | JdGordon | its just lucky? |
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| 01:14:04 | Hodapp | hm. It seems I can even still turn the Hold switch on at bootup and get normal firmware. |
| 01:17:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It's now unlucky again... |
| 01:17:25 | pixelma | Hodapp: I guess you're experiencing a not easy to fix problem on the older Ipods currently (1st to 3rd gen), basically some builds work some won't (freezes or data aborts). Try some of the archived daily builds from the builds page > daily builds > old |
| 01:17:36 | Hodapp | Ok. |
| 01:17:41 | JdGordon | :( |
| 01:18:36 | Hodapp | pixelma: how old do you recommend going? |
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| 01:19:56 | Hodapp | hm. If I can still get to normal firmware with the hold switch - does that mean that the bootloader is fine, but the Rockbox firmware is not? |
| 01:21:01 | pixelma | the date is not so important as the problem is older it's just that you can easily chose a bunch of builds to try. But yesterday there was someone with a 2nd gen Ipod who ran into this problem and said the build from the 17th works (not sure if it's always the same for 2nd and 3rd gen though) |
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| 01:21:38 | pixelma | yes, bootloader should be fine only the build (which you get as zip) is not |
| 01:21:42 | Hodapp | ok |
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| 01:24:13 | Hodapp | build from 2/01 - success |
| 01:25:27 | linuxstb | When CabbieV2 is made the default theme, should Rockbox revert to it when the user selects "rockbox_default", or when the user attempts to load an invalid WPS? |
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| 01:26:12 | DerPapst | morning :-) |
| 01:26:41 | Hodapp | can this work as a disk over Firewire? I'm kinda clueless about stuff like this. I've just noticed that when I plug it in with Firewire, it displays a USB icon and then restarts into Disk Mode |
| 01:27:00 | * | DerPapst wonders... |
| 01:27:14 | DerPapst | is the irc-log2html script in svn? |
| 01:27:22 | DerPapst | i can't find it in www |
| 01:28:07 | Sivart0 | i think you have to recompile rockbox with USE_ROCKBOX_USB defined |
| 01:28:20 | Sivart0 | though i dont know if it would work with firewire =o |
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| 01:28:57 | linuxstb | Hodapp: Yes, the 3rd gen has both firewire and usb - Rockbox reboots into disk mode when it detects either. |
| 01:29:13 | linuxstb | Sivart0: The new Rockbox USB stack is not for the 3rd gen. |
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| 01:29:22 | Hodapp | Oh. So it's my Mac being stupid when it doesn't recognize that a disk is present over firewire? |
| 01:29:30 | * | Hodapp grabs USB cable from random Windows box |
| 01:30:04 | Sivart0 | my bad =S |
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| 01:31:21 | linuxstb | DerPapst: No, I don't think it is. You'll need to ask Zagor if he wants to share it. |
| 01:31:55 | DerPapst | linuxstb: aha.. thanks for the confirmation :-) |
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| 01:34:42 | midgey | DerPapst: as in the perl code for the irc log reader? |
| 01:37:26 | DerPapst | yes |
| 01:38:11 | midgey | check the bottom of the irc page. reader.txt should be what you want |
| 01:40:15 | DerPapst | uummm... heh. |
| 01:40:33 | DerPapst | seems lke my glases aren't thick enough yet ^^ |
| 01:40:38 | DerPapst | thanks midkay ;-) |
| 01:40:39 | JdGordon | Bagder: have a look for libwiimote (or something like that...) |
| 01:41:28 | Hodapp | linuxstb: Any idea why my Mac isn't recognizing the rockbox'd iPod by Firewire? |
| 01:41:54 | pixelma | DerPapst: check your tab completion while you're at it... :P |
| 01:42:18 | Hodapp | I wouldn't care ordinarily but it's a bit of a pain to have to charge via Firewire and transfer music via USB |
| 01:43:12 | DerPapst | ah well... maybe i should better get some sleep ;-) |
| 01:44:07 | midgey | at least the first few letters were right |
| 01:44:38 | DerPapst | :-P |
| 01:46:31 | pixelma | Hodapp: not sure if it helps (don't have an Ipod) but what happens if you first boot into the original firmware and then connect? |
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| 01:47:21 | Hodapp | same thing |
| 01:47:38 | * | DerPapst thanks midgey and excuses himself by midkay for highlighting :-) |
| 01:48:05 | midkay | np :) |
| 01:48:23 | midgey | happens a fair amount actually |
| 01:48:26 | * | pixelma thinks that "by" was very... german |
| 01:49:37 | linuxstb | Hodapp: Did it work before you installed Rockbox? |
| 01:50:08 | Hodapp | Yeah. |
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| 01:50:21 | DerPapst | pixelma: eh. my grammer is bad.. and i haven't found a nice translation for that ;-) |
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| 01:50:55 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I would say "and apologies to midkay for..." |
| 01:51:05 | linuxstb | I mean "apologises"... |
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| 01:51:29 | * | DerPapst writes that down into his vocabulary book |
| 01:51:37 | DerPapst | thanks :-) |
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| 01:52:14 | Hodapp | at this point it appears to be shunning the iPod |
| 01:52:57 | * | Hodapp ponders... |
| 01:53:06 | * | Hodapp tries other cable |
| 01:53:13 | Sivart0 | macs can be so cruel ='( |
| 01:53:49 | Hodapp | Yeah. I'd ask ##mac but they'd probably say something like "well you should have put Rockbox on there then LAWL" |
| 01:53:59 | Hodapp | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 01:54:25 | Sivart0 | or RTFM <_< |
| 01:54:45 | Hodapp | how's TFM help me? |
| 01:55:05 | Sivart0 | no, i mean that the people in mac would tell you that |
| 01:55:13 | linuxstb | Hodapp: You could try removing the Rockbox bootloader (run ipodpatcher and select uninstall), and see if your Mac changes its mind. |
| 01:55:39 | Hodapp | linuxstb: But doesn't that kinda make it entirely irrelevant that Rockbox is on the iPod in the first place? |
| 01:56:41 | pixelma | linuxstb: don't you also have problems with connecting your Ipod to USB on a Mac sometimes which fixes itself with a reboot </wild guess> |
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| 01:57:28 | Sivart0 | brb, booting into linux >_> |
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| 02:01:54 | linuxstb | pixelma: That was (I think) related to the Rockbox USB detection code breaking the Mac's USB stack sometimes. That detection code isn't used on the 3g. |
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| 02:02:24 | linuxstb | Hodapp: I'm not sure what you mean... |
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| 02:02:48 | Sivart0 | back :D |
| 02:03:04 | Hodapp | linuxstb: if I remove the Rockbox bootloader, how is that different from just resetting the iPod? I can't get into Rockbox without the bootloader, can I? |
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| 02:04:47 | linuxstb | Hodapp: If your ipod still doesn't connect, even with Rockbox removed, then that would seem to suggest Rockbox isn't to blame. Although as pixelma suggested, maybe a reboot of your Mac might be useful, just to reset everything to a known good state. |
| 02:08:38 | * | Hodapp rebooting... |
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| 02:17:10 | Hodapp | behold, a reboot of the Mac fixed it |
| 02:17:42 | Sivart0 | yay! |
| 02:17:46 | pixelma | heh |
| 02:17:53 | Sivart0 | i uninstalled rockbox from my ipod just now >< |
| 02:18:03 | Sivart0 | i gotta stop messing with stuff >_> |
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| 02:20:19 | Hodapp | yay, it works in disk mode too |
| 02:21:12 | Sivart0 | :D |
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| 03:50:44 | crzyboyster | Will vmware work on a computer with 256 mb ram? And what other requirements does it have because my vmware says that there is not enough "physical memory"... |
| 03:51:07 | saratoga | i'd guess it won't work well |
| 03:51:33 | saratoga | might be ok for the command line though |
| 03:53:56 | B--daW | i want shit on my nano 2. |
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| 03:54:22 | B00daW | you guys are all capable of doing that in the next 5 mins, right? |
| 03:54:27 | B00daW | such smart guys. |
| 03:55:00 | crzyboyster | How do I launch the command line version? And mine refuses to launch. It freezes saying the following: "Not enough physical memory is available to power on this virtual machine." |
| 03:56:23 | saratoga | crzyboyster: I'm not sure how the version we distribute works |
| 03:56:34 | saratoga | it may default to using x-win |
| 03:56:41 | saratoga | in which case you will need a fair amount of ram |
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| 03:57:20 | crzyboyster | Who handles the rockbox vmware distribution? |
| 03:57:36 | saratoga | i have no idea |
| 03:57:41 | saratoga | maybe check the wiki and see who edited it |
| 03:59:54 | Hodapp | rockbox....vmware? |
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| 04:03:35 | saratoga | anyone around with a grayscale ipod? |
| 04:03:44 | Hodapp | saratoga: I think so? |
| 04:03:59 | saratoga | could you try a build for me and tell me if the menus look right |
| 04:04:36 | Hodapp | no :\ I had to program it on a Windows box because I couldn't make it work right on OS X and I'm on my Macbook now |
| 04:05:19 | saratoga | i can provide you with a download link |
| 04:05:29 | saratoga | if you tell me what device you're running |
| 04:05:49 | Hodapp | 3rd gen iPod |
| 04:08:05 | saratoga | Hodapp: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
| 04:08:07 | saratoga | however |
| 04:08:15 | saratoga | you must rename your current .rockbox folder |
| 04:08:19 | saratoga | DO NOT COPY OVER IT WITH THIS |
| 04:08:35 | saratoga | just rename it, try this one, and when you're done, you can delete it and rename your original folder back |
| 04:13:24 | saratoga | Hodapp: any results? |
| 04:14:28 | Hodapp | I can't test it right now... read a few lines back |
| 04:15:21 | saratoga | Hodapp: you might have mentioned this before i compiled you the build . . . |
| 04:15:49 | Hodapp | 22:01 < saratoga> could you try a build for me and tell me if the menus look right |
| 04:15:52 | Hodapp | 22:01 < Hodapp> no :\ I had to program it on a Windows box because I couldn't make it work right on OS X and |
| 04:15:55 | Hodapp | I'm on my Macbook now |
| 04:16:17 | saratoga | which is why i offered to compile it for you |
| 04:16:23 | saratoga | so that you could upload it with your macbook |
| 04:17:01 | Hodapp | sorry, what I meant was that I couldn't program from my Macbook |
| 04:17:22 | saratoga | do you mean update rockbox? |
| 04:17:28 | saratoga | if so, why not? |
| 04:17:37 | saratoga | a macbook will work fine |
| 04:17:50 | saratoga | assuming it was made in the last 8 years anyway |
| 04:17:56 | Hodapp | In theory it will work fine. |
| 04:19:00 | Hodapp | but for me it had issues and I couldn't get the access I needed to the iPod in disk mode, and the necessary software could not communicate properly |
| 04:19:31 | Hodapp | and it was looking like I needed to use a Windows box to format it to FAT32 anyway so I figured I may as well update from there as well |
| 04:22:08 | * | Hodapp shrugs |
| 04:22:14 | Hodapp | I have a Linux box at home I can use |
| 04:23:51 | saratoga | so you couldn't even mount your ipod in macos? |
| 04:23:54 | saratoga | how do you add music |
| 04:24:40 | * | Hodapp shrugs. |
| 04:26:00 | Hodapp | I suppose my original issue would pertain more to getting the bootloader on there than to getting firmware on there. |
| 04:26:36 | Hodapp | now, I do know this: I tried the most recent current build and it didn't work; a build from the 1st of the month worked just fine |
| 04:26:57 | Hodapp | is your build based on the most recent? |
| 04:29:11 | saratoga | yes |
| 04:29:14 | saratoga | i'm about to commit it |
| 04:29:24 | saratoga | so it'll be most recent in about an hour |
| 04:29:56 | Hodapp | I have a sneaking sensation that this build won't work if the build preceding it didn't work |
| 04:30:09 | saratoga | are the 3g builds broken lately? |
| 04:30:12 | saratoga | i hadn't heard that |
| 04:30:16 | saratoga | though it wouldn't surpise me |
| 04:32:55 | Hodapp | I just got this iPod like 5 hours ago and tried Rockbox, so I dunno |
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| 04:42:17 | webguest77 | hi i have a question can you guys please give me a link or tell me where i can get the rockbox "spanish" voice file? |
| 04:42:18 | webguest77 | :) |
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| 04:44:45 | webguest77 | please help if you guys know? |
| 04:44:45 | webguest77 | :) |
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| 04:58:47 | saratoga | default theme commited |
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| 05:12:40 | saratoga | hmm it would seem the mrobe 500 exists |
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| 05:46:53 | Vikas | when will be classic supported? |
| 05:47:37 | Vikas | ??? |
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| 06:05:01 | fdtoonsman | hello people! |
| 06:05:45 | fdtoonsman | hello people? |
| 06:06:15 | advcomp2019 | hello fdtoonsman |
| 06:06:21 | fdtoonsman | hey! |
| 06:06:35 | fdtoonsman | I installed rockbox a week ago, and i have a few problems. |
| 06:06:54 | fdtoonsman | can anyone help? |
| 06:07:15 | advcomp2019 | fdtoonsman, we are not into reading minds |
| 06:07:58 | advcomp2019 | plus have you tried the latest build |
| 06:08:05 | fdtoonsman | well, first of all, I need to know if it's possible to play mp4 files like on the regular iPod |
| 06:08:15 | fdtoonsman | and yes, i update my build almost every day |
| 06:09:18 | advcomp2019 | fdtoonsman, no.. you only can play mpeg and mpeg2 videos in rockbox |
| 06:09:50 | fdtoonsman | aw, why not? they should totally make an MP4 player, because that's what the ipod uses, and converting is a hassle! |
| 06:10:12 | fdtoonsman | it totally makes sense... is it being worked on? |
| 06:12:16 | fdtoonsman | also, my converter is being strange. |
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| 07:12:53 | * | flyback ya know if something were to happen to me, i'd have to say one of the best things in my life was discovering irc and making friends with all of you |
| 07:13:23 | ze | geez i hope thats sarcastic or something :p |
| 07:13:55 | flyback | well that was a global for all my channels :P |
| 07:14:03 | ze | still.. heh |
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| 08:22:26 | fyrestorm | is it possible to make rockbox read apev2 tags on SPC files? |
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| 08:32:37 | fyrestorm | plugging in ipod with current build is making my system restart |
| 08:33:31 | amiconn | bah, crappyv2 |
| 08:33:59 | fyrestorm | ive gotten two bsod's by just plugging it in |
| 08:35:21 | Horscht | fyrestorm, boot to the OF first, then plug it in |
| 08:35:23 | fyrestorm | trying yesterday's build |
| 08:35:33 | fyrestorm | k |
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| 08:36:19 | fyrestorm | ok, in OF, plugging it in |
| 08:36:30 | fyrestorm | im still alive. |
| 08:36:57 | fyrestorm | (also, im using ipod vid 5th 30gb) |
| 08:37:07 | fyrestorm | rebooting |
| 08:39:08 | fyrestorm | ok, using yesterday's build. plugging it in |
| 08:39:28 | fyrestorm | still alive :) |
| 08:40:16 | fyrestorm | installing recent build |
| 08:41:02 | fyrestorm | k, restarting it and will plug it in in a second |
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| 08:41:22 | fyrestorm | doing it now |
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| 08:45:23 | amiconn | Bah, now my mini switched to that crappyv2 theme, and there is *no line selector* anymore, so I can't set it back :( |
| 08:46:55 | amiconn | It's a bug in the line selector assignment. |
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| 08:47:12 | fyrestorm | yeah |
| 08:47:14 | fyrestorm | bsod |
| 08:47:22 | amiconn | The theme selection assigns a non-existing line selector type for greyscale targets |
| 08:47:34 | * | amiconn thought saratoga tested this stuff :( |
| 08:48:25 | amiconn | I also wonder why it swoitched to crappyv2 at all, as the commit says it should not change existing settings :( |
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| 08:50:56 | amiconn | And I can't get rid of the backdrop, grrrr!! |
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| 08:57:25 | amiconn | Settings->Clear backdrop, and the backdrop is gone. But at next boot it is back, even though config.cfg doesn't set it??! |
| 08:58:26 | pixelma | I thought it should be set in config.cfg then because it differs from the default... |
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| 09:01:37 | amiconn | Same crap on H10. Rockbox is now unusable for me on colour targets :( |
| 09:02:00 | amiconn | Black text on (nearly) black backdrop |
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| 09:12:00 | pixelma | I just tested in a Video sim where I had set iCatcher before as theme -> it did change to cabbiev2 although it shouldn't because I hadn't used the default. In this case colours changed correctly (line selector and foreground colour) but the font stayed, i.e. it was set to nimbus-19 which iCatcher uses |
| 09:15:37 | pixelma | hmm... and changing back doesn't reset colours. The generated iCatcher.cfg does not contain the "foreground colour", "background colour" lines which I think it did before (maybe this is due to the other related commit of yesterday?) |
| 09:19:23 | pixelma | this is actually good in the menu here because the background isn't cleared either and so I don't end up with light grey on white background which I do in the WPS then though |
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| 09:22:40 | pixelma | I can see "Foreground Color: 000000" and "Background Color: FFFFFF" for iCatcher in WPSLIST btw. so somehow it is skipped now while generating the cfg |
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| 09:46:51 | pixelma | I'd almost vote for a revert until those IMO important bugs are sorted out... (on clolour targets it seems too easy to get a (almost) unreadable colour combination especially since it sets cabbiev2 even if you had set it to something else than the default before, the backdrop issue aso...) |
| 09:48:07 | pixelma | *colour ... |
| 09:49:46 | * | linuxstb thinks we need a "wait 48 hours before committing to give people chance to comment" rule when people post patches saying "is this OK to commit?" |
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| 09:50:21 | pixelma | yeah, it really made me wonder |
| 09:50:38 | linuxstb | I had a lot of comments I was going to make, but didn't have time last night to do it... |
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| 09:54:19 | pixelma | ah, I understand the iCatcher -> cabbiev2 issue better now. It doesn't override the setting of your cfg as I thought first but iCatcher doesn't set a background (the new default will be used) and not the colours anymore (new default) and no icons - only the WPS would have changed |
| 09:54:59 | pixelma | so the menu looked like cabbiev2 with iCatcher font |
| 09:55:23 | amiconn | I think there are now just 2 bugs left. (1) The wps packager somehow leaves out the colours even on colour targets |
| 09:55:47 | amiconn | (2) The settings code doesn't save the setting for "no backdrop" even though this is no longer the default |
| 09:55:57 | amiconn | This is actually a settings code bug |
| 09:56:14 | pixelma | and what about the iconset? |
| 09:56:42 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the other themes include "default iconset" in their cfg now? |
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| 10:00:31 | pixelma | first "bug report" thread about it in the forums... "Help! No Cursor!" on a 4th gen Ipod greyscale... |
| 10:02:19 | linuxstb | Is that the bug amiconn fixed? |
| 10:03:13 | pixelma | yes, I'll answer |
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| 10:08:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you looking at any of those bugs you mentioned? If not, I have a little time now. |
| 10:10:48 | amiconn | I am trying to fix (2) |
| 10:11:25 | amiconn | The settings code is kinda strange - and there already seems to be a hack-around for the iconset |
| 10:11:26 | linuxstb | OK, I'm looking at 1... |
| 10:11:40 | amiconn | (by setting the filename to "-.bmp" instead of empty string) |
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| 10:15:59 | amiconn | Where are those theme .cfg files generated? |
| 10:16:50 | pixelma | linuxstb: about (1) - probably related to saratoga's earlier commit yesterday to wpsbuild.pl http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/wpsbuild.pl?r1=16372&r2=16373? |
| 10:17:22 | pixelma | they are created by wpslist.pl using WPSLIST |
| 10:18:20 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, found, fixed and committed ;) |
| 10:19:22 | pixelma | why is there one thing named "filetylecolor" btw... :) |
| 10:20:01 | linuxstb | That's very odd - a consistent typo... |
| 10:20:45 | amiconn | c&p typo |
| 10:21:42 | linuxstb | What do people think the "default_rockbox" theme .cfg file should do? Seems odd to have one theme called "CabbieV2" which is the real default, and another theme called "rockbox_default" which isn't... |
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| 10:23:14 | chuff | how do i rockbox my ipod shuffle |
| 10:23:32 | linuxstb | chuff: You can't - Rockbox doesn't work on the shuffles. |
| 10:23:59 | linuxstb | The front page of the Rockbox website lists all the supported players. |
| 10:24:02 | chuff | the point of rockbox is so that you don't have to use itunes software... right? |
| 10:24:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does the wpslist code allow to output an empty string for a setting? |
| 10:24:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't know, let me test... |
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| 10:24:44 | amiconn | Right now it e.g. sets an iconset to "-" which translates to /.rockbox/icons/-.bmp |
| 10:25:10 | amiconn | Very odd if someone actually puts a file named "-.bmp" there (that's a valid filename) |
| 10:26:19 | linuxstb | Yes, we should fix that. If I do "iconset:" in WPSLIST, then the wpsbuild script complains when trying to copy that non-existent bmp file... |
| 10:27:16 | * | linuxstb notices a whole load of TABS in wpsbuild.pl |
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| 10:29:03 | amiconn | The settings code does handle filename settings in an odd way |
| 10:29:38 | amiconn | There are 2 possible types, filename settings with prefix and suffix, and such without both (used for recording dir and playlist catalog dir) |
| 10:29:58 | amiconn | The ones with prefix and suffix are decomposed on load, and recomposed on save |
| 10:31:07 | chuff | how do i move songs from computer to ipod? |
| 10:31:19 | chuff | itunes is being very difficult |
| 10:31:50 | linuxstb | chuff: This channel is for discussion of Rockbox, not general ipod discussion. |
| 10:32:04 | * | pixelma looks around whether other themes would need a foreground/background colour definition in WPSLIST now that black on light blue isn't default anymore... |
| 10:33:26 | linuxstb | pixelma: I guess there are a lot of other settings that themes must now include - icons, viewer icons, selector bar, ... |
| 10:34:10 | pixelma | hmm, right |
| 10:35:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: There is a change needed for wpsbuild.pl to accept empty strings - the code is using "if ($iconset)", which should be "if (defined($iconset))" |
| 10:36:12 | linuxstb | Or maybe we should make wpslist output empty strings for all theme setting variables, even if they're not defined in WPSLIST... |
| 10:36:49 | amiconn | Well, not all theme settings are valid on all targets |
| 10:36:57 | amiconn | (like colours on mono targets) |
| 10:38:53 | amiconn | I wonder why saratoga removed colours for greyscale targets, btw |
| 10:39:42 | amiconn | The current UI doesn't allow setting the greylevels, but the low level code is there, and imho we should offer those settings |
| 10:40:42 | amiconn | Even the solid "colour" line selector would be possible on greyscale targets. Gradient obvously won't work with just 2 bits |
| 10:40:44 | pixelma | linuxstb: so... should I wait a bit? It's just that I thought this could be a simple enough thing even I could do to help fixing... |
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| 10:43:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm sure saratoga just followed what was in settings.h - where the colours are protected by HAVE_LCD_COLOR. But I agree it would make sense to offer them. |
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| 10:44:06 | linuxstb | pixelma: I'm not sure... I think we're all (you, amiconn and me) are looking at related things. |
| 10:44:21 | pixelma | the lang files would even contain foreground/background colour on greyscale targets, these are just not there on mono LCDs |
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| 10:47:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: Should I commit a change to wpsbuild.pl to enable empty strings - e.g. "iconset: ", "backdrop: " to be output to the theme .cfg ? |
| 10:47:21 | amiconn | I think so |
| 10:48:03 | amiconn | I'm still not 100% sure about that settings code. What does strncasecmp() return if one of the strings is empty? Just 0? |
| 10:50:09 | linuxstb | I would guess +/-1 - i.e. "" is < "a" |
| 10:52:14 | amiconn | Yeah, looks like it does |
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| 10:56:45 | linuxstb | Seems that wpsbuild.pl doesn't copy the "filetype colours:" file if it's defined (which it currently isn't for any theme) |
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| 11:04:33 | amiconn | Okay, saving empty filename settings works now, and produces what one would expect in config.cfg, e.g. "backdrop:" |
| 11:06:05 | pixelma | the thing is that not all included themes might *need* to set some things like selector type and so on, or should I just assume all do (to have them look like before)? |
| 11:07:41 | pixelma | and for no backdrop it should read "Backdrop: none" in WPSLIST then? |
| 11:07:54 | linuxstb | I thought it should be "Backdrop:" |
| 11:08:13 | linuxstb | (but I could be wrong...) |
| 11:09:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Would a trailing whitespace - i.e. "backdrop: " be OK in a .cfg? |
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| 11:11:04 | amiconn | That's no problem |
| 11:12:18 | amiconn | Even multiple spaces are okay, as the parser skips spaces between : and the value, but only plain (0x20) spaces are allowed |
| 11:13:01 | linuxstb | I think I'll fix wpslist.pl so it doesn't output it though (and so it doesn't need one in WPSLIST)... |
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| 11:22:28 | linuxstb | I've just committed my changes to wpsbuild.pl, and adding empty settings for iCatcher. The other themes still need fixing. |
| 11:26:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: The default viewer iconset must not be empty, otherwise you won't get any viewer icon |
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| 11:27:18 | amiconn | (i.e. viewer icons are always loaded from disk) |
| 11:28:28 | pixelma | linuxstb: ok, something for me then |
| 11:28:29 | amiconn | Except on player - that still needs fixing |
| 11:28:55 | amiconn | (player shows *no* icons for viewer-supported files right now) |
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| 11:31:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: Hmm, it works for me - when I select iCatcher, I get the default icons. |
| 11:31:31 | linuxstb | Ah, viewers... |
| 11:31:56 | amiconn | Check the icons for .jpg, .mpg files etc... |
| 11:32:21 | linuxstb | So what should icatcher set in WPSLIST if it wants the default icons? |
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| 11:34:11 | linuxstb | I'm guessing "/.rockbox/icons/viewers.bmp" ? |
| 11:34:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:34:57 | linuxstb | OK, I'll fix. |
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| 11:37:27 | linuxstb | So I guess I should also revert the change that allows empty values for "viewers iconset" in wpsbuild.pl ? |
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| 11:41:38 | BigBambi | Is the old default still called rockbox_default? If so, how about a rename to something like "Rockbox Classic"? |
| 11:42:26 | devo1324 | hey can i have write permission for the wiki i've been dying to fix some errors |
| 11:42:45 | BigBambi | Wiki name? |
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| 11:43:03 | devo1324 | devongermano |
| 11:43:36 | BigBambi | Just like that? |
| 11:43:42 | BigBambi | Or with capitals? |
| 11:43:55 | devo1324 | let me check |
| 11:44:27 | devo1324 | capitals |
| 11:44:37 | BigBambi | Where? |
| 11:44:40 | devo1324 | for the d and g |
| 11:44:55 | BigBambi | Could you jusdt type your actual username for me please |
| 11:44:56 | pixelma | BigBambi: you could also check the "recent wiki activity" ;) |
| 11:45:17 | BigBambi | pixelma: I know, but I think it important people realise accuracy is important :) |
| 11:45:21 | devo1324 | DevonGermano |
| 11:45:41 | devo1324 | lol |
| 11:45:44 | devo1324 | srry |
| 11:45:48 | BigBambi | devo1324: OK, done. No spamming now! |
| 11:46:15 | devo1324 | thank you1 |
| 11:47:01 | linuxstb | devo1324: What errors have you found? |
| 11:47:30 | pixelma | about the included WPSs... there are some, probably old, ones for the 160x128 greyscale screens. First they are named inconsistently (should be 160x128x2) and second - those could easily have a colour version with the classic colours set. What do people think? |
| 11:49:10 | * | amiconn isn't sure what to do about the viewer icons on the player |
| 11:49:25 | amiconn | The original idea was to add a minimalistic bmp loader |
| 11:50:03 | linuxstb | pixelma: Maybe we should remove some of the older ones... I don't know what others think, but I would like a small (but varied, and not necessarily the same across targets) set of themes in SVN. |
| 11:50:23 | amiconn | But (1) that doesn't allow falling back to hardware characters if an icon isn't displayable, and (2) it's not like we'll see dozens of new file formats supported on player |
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| 11:51:03 | pixelma | linuxstb: I'll leave that for later then |
| 11:51:21 | amiconn | So maybe we should just map bmp index -> built-in icon? |
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| 11:52:26 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, I think the most important thing is to make the bundled themes actually work... |
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| 11:56:12 | pixelma | indeed, I'll copy things from your iCatcher example then and include all settings that might be necessary for a certain theme (e.g. line selector type for greyscale themes to) and with the classic colours where none are set yet - to be on the safe side and to make them look like before |
| 11:56:53 | pixelma | does someone know the hex value of rockbox blue off the top of their head? |
| 11:57:54 | BigBambi | That would be excellent random knowledge :) |
| 11:58:30 | amiconn | LCD_DEFAULT_BG, should be in lcd.h |
| 11:58:48 | crazybus | can you edit the manual without installing tex and subversion and all their deps (I have to use a different computer due to my main one being broken and I can't install on this one) |
| 11:59:14 | BigBambi | crazybus: Yes, but you can't then check it still compiles or check the output |
| 11:59:34 | crazybus | thanks BigBambi |
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| 12:00:15 | crazybus | is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery the main page for themes now that you can't upload to rockbox-themes.org ? |
| 12:00:33 | BigBambi | crazybus: That always has been the main rockbox page |
| 12:00:49 | BigBambi | rockbox-themes.org has in the past been entirely unofficial |
| 12:01:00 | BigBambi | When it relaunches it will be official |
| 12:01:48 | linuxstb | pixelma: icatcher also needs a default selector... |
| 12:02:44 | pixelma | probably "bar (inverse)" it is then |
| 12:03:43 | crazybus | does anyone know if there will ever be a option in the spectrum emulator to have letterbox bars or rotate the screen 90 degrees. The current scaling method words hard to read on a sansae200 screen |
| 12:04:02 | BigBambi | If someone does it... |
| 12:04:04 | linuxstb | crazybus: No-one has touched the spectrum emulator for months... |
| 12:06:03 | crazybus | thanks again everyone. Another question. Can you change what order items are on the main menu without recompiling. I would like to put resume playback at the top so I resume something without looking at the screen |
| 12:06:08 | linuxstb | Is there a wiki page that describes how to package a theme zip? |
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| 12:06:51 | BigBambi | crazybus: no |
| 12:06:58 | * | linuxstb finds ThemeGuidelines |
| 12:07:38 | crazybus | speaking of the wiki. I have an account. What do I do to activate it to edit |
| 12:07:59 | linuxstb | You ask in here for it to be activated... |
| 12:08:03 | BigBambi | Tell me your wiki name |
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| 12:10:07 | BigBambi | crazy_bus: OK, done |
| 12:10:13 | crazy_bus | thanks BigBambi |
| 12:11:28 | pixelma | the old rockbox_default that's also listed in WPSLIST also needs these settings right? |
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| 12:13:59 | crazy_bus | it says that rockbox has replaygain. But I can't seem to find the option for it in the manual or sound settings. Does it exist? |
| 12:15:33 | crazy_bus | or is it just enabled by default |
| 12:16:04 | BigBambi | yes, it exists |
| 12:16:14 | BigBambi | I think the option is in playback or some such |
| 12:18:00 | crazy_bus | thanks. I see it now |
| 12:18:46 | pixelma | linuxstb: do you think the <rwps>s also need the things set? Currently there is no way to use e.g. a different font there but they already define one ("just in case"?) |
| 12:18:53 | linuxstb | pixelma: That's what I'm not sure about - CabbieV2 is now the default... |
| 12:20:01 | pixelma | I'd think the classic, text based on should be included but maybe as BigBambi suggested it could be renamed |
| 12:20:31 | pixelma | s/on/one |
| 12:20:48 | linuxstb | I can't see a reason to include it, apart from as a hard-coded default when all else fails. |
| 12:20:50 | BigBambi | I think it should stay, but being called rockbox_default now is hella confusing |
| 12:21:15 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Well, some people like it... |
| 12:21:25 | BigBambi | I wouldn't care personally if it were taken out and shot |
| 12:21:40 | linuxstb | BigBambi: Then we should ship it as a real wps, rather than as a virtual file which selects the hard-coded default. |
| 12:21:46 | BigBambi | aye |
| 12:22:11 | pixelma | it's really not that bad on my c200 for example... |
| 12:22:35 | pixelma | though I admit that I use my own :) |
| 12:22:36 | linuxstb | I agree, it's fine on small LCDs |
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| 12:24:30 | pixelma | btw. wasn't there an unanswered question earlier about which WPS the parser should fall back now if there are syntax errors? Actually I don't like that fallback in general |
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| 12:39:58 | stripwax | So I thought I'd try enabling USE_ROCKBOX_USB on my 5g build. Windows detected the USB Mass Storage device when I connect it (great), but then seems to have hung trying to assign a drive letter. Is that expected right now? |
| 12:40:20 | amiconn | no |
| 12:40:29 | stripwax | Ah, windows just came back to life - but still no drive letter :| |
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| 12:41:23 | amiconn | Did you enable highspeed as well? Because, that doesn't work and causes the symptoms you just described |
| 12:41:44 | amiconn | (explorer appearing to hang for several minutes, non-working access) |
| 12:42:04 | stripwax | amiconn - not intentionally - do I need to set something to DISable highspeed? |
| 12:42:13 | amiconn | no |
| 12:42:55 | Lear | I briefly tried highspeed on an e200 yesterday. Connect and read worked fine. Didn't dare trying anything more... |
| 12:43:04 | amiconn | Just make sure have have latest svn, especially not r16366 or r16367 |
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| 12:43:25 | stripwax | Hm, I disconnected and after rockbox did the Scanning Disk, I got Data Abort at 000089A4 .. |
| 12:43:50 | stripwax | yep, latest svn. or, at least, let me check that I don't have some crazy patch in my build anywhere. |
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| 12:47:33 | crazy_bus | I remember there was a alarm patch in custom builds that was dropped because a alarm had being added to offical builds. Was I mistaken as I can't seem to find that functionality anywhere in a default build |
| 12:47:34 | stripwax | will try a clean rebuild - the only patches I have are the pacbox on cop and 5g 60gb battery calibration |
| 12:48:18 | stripwax | speaking of which - does anyone want to commit the pacbox on cop patch or should I do some more work there before it's committable? |
| 12:49:24 | pixelma | crazy_bus: whether there is an alarm setting or not is also dependent on your player's capabilities |
| 12:52:32 | stripwax | (like emulating pacman audio, say) |
| 12:53:34 | crazy_bus | thanks pixelma. |
| 12:54:22 | crazy_bus | stripwax: not that I can commit it but what is packbox on cop, is cop short for some type of music player? |
| 12:55:06 | pixelma | what player do you have? And do you remember the flyspray entry you are talking about (maybe search for closed tasks as well)? |
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| 12:56:08 | crazy_bus | pixelma: me? I found the patch but it seems it went out of sinc. And the other alarm patch was only for players with a wakeup feature. Which I don't have; sansa e200 |
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| 13:01:22 | Lear | Hm, made a logf build, but while there is a logf entry in the debug menu, it doesn't show anything. Nor is there any output on the remote... |
| 13:01:26 | Lear | A known problem, perhaps? |
| 13:02:31 | amiconn | It's desired behaviour for quite a while |
| 13:02:55 | amiconn | You need to enable logf output in the source file(s) you want to debug |
| 13:03:39 | amiconn | This was introduced to avoid unrelated clutter in logf output |
| 13:04:35 | Lear | Ah. |
| 13:07:47 | Lear | Typical that the problem I'd like to look at doesn't seem to appear on my target with an LCD remote... |
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| 13:19:00 | stripwax | crazy_bus - that patch puts the pacman emulation engine onto the cop (coprocessor cpu) if available, which frees main cpu for codec processing so you can still listeb |
| 13:19:13 | stripwax | listen, to music, while playing hte game |
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| 13:21:49 | amiconn | ehh.... |
| 13:22:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: It seems that the viewer icons default is hardcoded, but then I wonder why it doesn't seem to work... |
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| 13:25:11 | pixelma | hmm... another thing. Some themes don't have an rwps and if you chose one of those now it'll use the cabbiev2.rwps which can look odd if you're using a different font (especially on the Iaudios where cabbiev2 uses a backdrop in the WPS)... |
| 13:25:41 | pixelma | s/WPS/RWPS |
| 13:26:23 | amiconn | This gui code is a maze :\ |
| 13:28:23 | pixelma | should I just set the rwps of all others to the old default, might be the better option? |
| 13:28:57 | Bagder | pixelma: sounds like a decent thing to do |
| 13:30:55 | pixelma | ok, all others is only "Rockboxed" here... :D |
| 13:31:02 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 13:34:47 | pixelma | which actually might work together with the cabbiev2.rwps except on the H300 |
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| 13:38:35 | amiconn | The 'Open with...' submenu doesn't scroll its items... |
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| 13:45:24 | crazy_bus | is it just my player (sansa e200) or does the gameboy and spectrum plugins both play sounds with lots of crackling added in |
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| 14:07:09 | * | amiconn summons JdGordon |
| 14:10:08 | * | gevaerts thinks that the main problem with cabbiev2 on c200 is that the LCD is not good enough |
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| 14:13:34 | pixelma | my main grep with it is the font (especially on the c200) on others as well |
| 14:14:58 | gevaerts | Most letters are OK, but M and w are |
| 14:15:01 | gevaerts | ugly |
| 14:16:11 | gevaerts | The LCD problem I see is that for most of the brightness and contrast range the backlight shines through the black background |
| 14:16:20 | pixelma | I don't like that the font is so lightweight, it is one point taller that the one I use (nimbus-10) and it's less readable |
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| 14:17:05 | amiconn | gevaerts: What do you expect from a CSTN panel? |
| 14:17:28 | pixelma | s/that/than |
| 14:17:43 | amiconn | Besides, one thing I don't like with cabbiev2 is that it's bright text on black (negative display) |
| 14:19:23 | gevaerts | amiconn: not much. I know I got the cheapest player available. It just shows that a dark background doesn't work well on all players |
| 14:19:45 | rasher | Are there any good, less skinny fonts at the same height? |
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| 14:20:23 | * | gevaerts just switched back to rockbox_default |
| 14:21:04 | pixelma | rasher: yes, nimbus-11 ;) |
| 14:21:17 | rasher | That settles that, then |
| 14:21:23 | rasher | Nimbus is lovely |
| 14:22:37 | * | gevaerts notices that rasher doesn't use a cron job to update his ircstats page |
| 14:23:41 | pixelma | rasher: the original creator and the most lively participant(s) from the forums said "nimbus is not an option" though I can't remember them giving a reason |
| 14:24:36 | rasher | Does the current font have better glyph coverage than nimbus? |
| 14:27:43 | rasher | I suppose I should be able to answer that |
| 14:28:57 | pixelma | not sure, nimbus is already quite ok (having greek, cyrillic and hebrew support), that I think the sazanami-mincho one they chose for the c200 is slightly better there |
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| 14:46:39 | rasher | Sazanami-mincho includes a bunch of CJK |
| 14:47:22 | rasher | As well as katakana and hiragana |
| 14:47:49 | rasher | No hebrew though |
| 14:47:59 | rasher | Which nimbus on the other hand has |
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| 15:00:44 | rasher | Something good will come from cabbiev2 as default: theme authors will now be forced to think about setting background colors/backdrops |
| 15:06:13 | gevaerts | It seems that my high speed reliability warning might be premature : I just checked the md5sums using the OF, and they fail as well, so the files on my sd card got corrupted (probably during some experiment). |
| 15:07:01 | gevaerts | Conclusion: I don't know yet if high-speed corrupts data |
| 15:07:35 | Lear | gevaerts: I read some 600 MB in high speed, and that seemed fine at least. |
| 15:08:58 | gevaerts | Lear: that's good to know. I still get ehci errors in my dmesg output, so I won't enable it by default yet, but I still prefer instability to data corruption |
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| 15:10:09 | Lear | That was on Windows XP, btw. And I only checked by playing some Oggs (and related album art files). |
| 15:10:23 | DerPapst | it is disabled currently in svn? |
| 15:10:51 | n1s | yep |
| 15:11:17 | gevaerts | DerPapst: high speed is doubly disabled. You need USE_ROCKBOX_USB for full speed, and (additionally) USE_HIGH_SPEED for high speed |
| 15:12:07 | rvvs89 | USB has strange naming conventions |
| 15:12:18 | rvvs89 | If you can call them conventions |
| 15:13:06 | gevaerts | rvvs89: Doesn't the succession of low speed, full speed, high speed and super speed look well thought out and logical to you ? |
| 15:13:47 | * | gevaerts hopes not |
| 15:13:47 | amiconn | Imho they are quite logical given how usb evolved |
| 15:14:17 | gevaerts | Yes. You have to take historical context into account here |
| 15:14:33 | BigBambi | Dear me, someone isn't happy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15596.0 |
| 15:14:46 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether it was just a coincidence (because what stripwax reported earlier sounded like the same effect but with fullspeed), but windows doesn't seem to like rockbox highspeed mode |
| 15:15:20 | amiconn | It slows down to a crawl (even lower than lowspeed), and sometimes accesses even seem to time out, causing windows to complain that xyz could not be written |
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| 15:15:45 | rvvs89 | gevaerts: Heh, I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, so I said nothing |
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| 15:16:58 | gevaerts | amiconn: linux isn't entirely happy about it either (I get ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: dev 4 ep1in scatterlist error -104/-121 and lots of resets in the output), but it seems to recover faster (fast enough that the overall speed doesn't seem to suffer). I am now testing if the data survives |
| 15:17:30 | rasher | amiconn: Still, it's amazing that they never thought while developing usb 1.0 that they might come out with something faster at some point so using "full speed" was perhaps not the best idea |
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| 15:17:49 | amiconn | Well, linux caches lots of data at the filesystem level. Try mounting with the sync option to make it act more like windows... |
| 15:18:26 | gevaerts | Anyway, I guess that 'FAT: Filesystem panic' answers my reliability question quite well |
| 15:18:28 | dionoea | Still no rockbox people at FOSDEM? |
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| 15:18:47 | * | amiconn doesn't like this "all or nothing" approach for caching filesystems in linux |
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| 15:20:22 | gevaerts | rasher: I think they got some inspiration from radio, with VHF, UHF,... |
| 15:21:22 | rvvs89 | However, radio never called anything "full frequency" |
| 15:22:07 | * | rvvs89 will stop being off topic |
| 15:22:15 | DerPapst | heh |
| 15:24:08 | * | gevaerts has noticed that there's nothing like some slight off-topicness to see who's online and actually reading the conversation |
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| 15:28:23 | rasher | amiconn: I'm sure that there are kernel parameters to tune the caching strategy |
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| 15:34:25 | asdrubal | rbutil isn't detecting my C200 |
| 15:34:29 | asdrubal | I got the 2.4 version |
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| 15:37:14 | stripwax | amiconn - right, I'm not using high speed |
| 15:37:44 | * | gevaerts just shut down his laptop by accident _yet again_ |
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| 15:43:39 | gevaerts | high-speed reading seems to be fine. The 750 MB I read are correct |
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| 15:45:38 | stripwax | Hm. Maybe I am using High Speed? Windows XP tells me "This device can perform faster if connected to a Hi-Speed USB 2.0 port" |
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| 15:46:24 | gevaerts | stripwax: That means you're using full speed. Windows checks the device descriptor USB version info, and if it sees 2.0 and a full speed connection it gives that warning |
| 15:46:33 | stripwax | ah, ok |
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| 15:47:16 | * | gevaerts has to go for a few hours, but will be back later |
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| 15:47:42 | stripwax | So I am using full speed, and Windows XP doesn't like it.. |
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| 15:50:02 | stripwax | Rockbox is happily showing me the USB screen, but again I don't have a drive letter in Windows, and the new hardware detection is hanging again |
| 15:50:13 | JamPSi | ;> |
| 15:50:28 | crzyboyster | Can someone add the new cabbiev2 theme as default theme major change at > http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 15:50:49 | stripwax | (which means I don't even have an option to 'safely remove' it) |
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| 15:51:10 | JamPSi | stripwax, it's buggy ok. you have to shutdown the player and then plug in the cable... |
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| 15:52:48 | stripwax | JamPSi - not entirely sure what you are suggesting - that USB mode hangs if the cable is inserted while rockbox was already running? I merely booted with the cable plugged in |
| 15:53:28 | stripwax | amiconn - is that consistent with what you were seeing? Do I really need to switch off the player and then insert the cable for it to work? |
| 15:53:45 | JamPSi | I dunno. I have to do it with my sansa now. |
| 15:54:01 | JamPSi | It freezes if rockbox is running. Have to reset. |
| 15:54:39 | stripwax | JamPSi - no, I am testing the rockbox USB stack with USE_ROCKBOX_USB enabled. So I need to have rockbox running :-) |
| 15:56:59 | stripwax | ok, windows is back, safely disconnect, remove cable -> data abort at 03f048f4 .. |
| 15:58:39 | stripwax | have to head off for today, happy to try suggestions & will check logs tomorrow when i'm back |
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| 16:17:39 | * | Hodapp examines increasingly shorter list of "Why default iPod firmware is good" |
| 16:19:04 | Hodapp | well, it appears in the absence of any other reason to want to use Rockbox, I'll use it because I'm too lazy to write a script to convert all my Vorbis files to some other format |
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| 16:52:49 | Lear | Nico_P: Around? |
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| 17:08:53 | Nico_P | Lear: yes |
| 17:10:15 | Lear | Trying to debug some of the buffering issues, like showing playlist index 2 when playing track 1, and I've found one strange thing. |
| 17:11:24 | Lear | audio_fill_file_buffer buffers one track, then gets a next track request from the codec, as if it failed to decode the first one. This triggers a full rebuffer... |
| 17:11:57 | Nico_P | that's strange indeed |
| 17:12:31 | Lear | Could be that album art delays the initial availability of file data, causing the codec to fail. I'm looking into what happens in the codec right now... |
| 17:12:47 | Nico_P | thanks for looking |
| 17:13:05 | Nico_P | I've had little time on my hands lately, but I should have more soon |
| 17:14:26 | Lear | A simple fix could be to set taginfo_ready to true once some file data is available (or whatever is needed to make the codec properly wait for data). |
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| 17:15:35 | Nico_P | some time ago jhMikeS and I discussed the possibility of making the codecs use messages |
| 17:17:43 | Nico_P | Lear: have you enabled logf output? and what are you working on (sim or target)? |
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| 17:19:03 | Lear | Working on target, as I only see it there. I have some logf yes, but with some extra output... (No queue messages though.) |
| 17:19:37 | Lear | Yep, codec fails to open the file. |
| 17:23:32 | Lear | Or rather, initial read fails (returns zero), I think. |
| 17:23:55 | Nico_P | I think I saw a similar issue on the sim once. I was seeing Q_AUDIO_FLUSH messages appear twice |
| 17:25:27 | Lear | Btw, possible bug: bufread can return < 0 on error, but codec_filebuf_callback doesn't check for that. |
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| 17:34:02 | Hodapp | Anyone have a measure of normal battery life on a 3G iPod? I'm trying to figure out if this battery needs replacing or not... it was acting up a bit in the normal firmware, if I recall |
| 17:34:23 | Hodapp | info says battery: 82%, 3h 30m |
| 17:34:51 | Llorean | If you've never replaced it, it needs replacing. |
| 17:34:59 | Hodapp | heh, that's what I figured |
| 17:35:13 | Llorean | Lithium batteries don't age well, and 3Gs are quite old. |
| 17:35:16 | Hodapp | Yes. |
| 17:35:54 | Hodapp | also, can I charge it while in Rockbox (with e.g. my AC adapter with a Firewire port) or do I need to go into Disk Mode or normal firmware for that? |
| 17:37:00 | Hodapp | I couldn't tell if it was charging or not when I tried |
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| 17:39:36 | Llorean | Right now it'll probably charge better in the Apple modes. |
| 17:40:08 | Hodapp | better? |
| 17:40:13 | Llorean | Faster. |
| 17:40:17 | Hodapp | Hm. |
| 17:41:04 | gevaerts | I don't know about the ipods, but on my sansa charging seems to stop too soon in rockbox |
| 17:41:13 | Hodapp | I suppose it will matter more when I have a battery that actually can charge properly. |
| 17:41:46 | Hodapp | and even then it barely matters because it's just a matter of taking 10 seconds to reboot into a different mode |
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| 17:43:03 | gevaerts | desowin: I am seeing the "shifted by two bytes" problem now on high speed, so I suspect it is real after all. Still no clue on where it comes from unfortunately |
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| 17:44:14 | gevaerts | desowin: by real I mean a problem in the usb stack, and not some random bit-flip on our PC. |
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| 17:45:20 | desowin | on bit-flip on your pc too ;) but yes, I understood what you meant |
| 17:46:14 | gevaerts | "Once is coincidence, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action.", so let's wait until someone else sees it and then retaliate |
| 17:46:37 | Hodapp | Stale quotes suck. |
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| 17:49:27 | gevaerts | desowin: by the way, what tools did you use to find the difference ? |
| 17:50:15 | desowin | downloaded shareware of hex workshop pro, I wished I found opensource tool for that... |
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| 17:55:06 | * | desowin is not keen on hacking khexedit |
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| 17:55:35 | * | gevaerts is now trying combinations of od and wdiff |
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| 17:58:54 | webguest37 | hello!i am porting rockbox to meizu m6/\.i need to to decrypt the original firmware (the code is in a rar archive which is in the firmware file after the first 8KB) here is how it should be done http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port in M6.EBN chapter.but i dont understand how to do it.any ideas? |
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| 18:02:47 | Lear | Nico_P: I'm not sure in detail what happens yet, but while bufopen is executing, the codec gets a chance to run, so the audio_hid is probably not ready by the time the codec tries to read data. |
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| 18:05:13 | Lear | Nico_P: Hm, should be safe to move the setting of taginfo_ready to after the audio_hid is set. Perhaps not the "right" fix, but should be good enough, I think. |
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| 18:06:53 | gevaerts | Does the SD card driver/spec work with 512-byte blocks internally, or can it do byte-addressing ? |
| 18:07:29 | * | gevaerts is trying to isolate this 2-byte data shifting bug somehow |
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| 18:11:34 | webguest24 | any ideas? |
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| 18:13:18 | gevaerts | webguest24: from what I read there you need to remove the first 8 kB of the file, and the rest should then be a rar file. Any binary/hex editor should be able to do that |
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| 18:13:55 | fyrestorm | some of the newer builds of rockbox are causing my x64 vista to BSOD |
| 18:14:08 | petur | yay! |
| 18:15:02 | fyrestorm | using rev 20080222 still works though |
| 18:15:02 | fyrestorm | happens when i plug it in |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | tried this on my other system, running vista 32 |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | didnt happen |
| 18:16:11 | * | gevaerts congratulates petur on his success, and now is curious what it was |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | wait |
| 18:16:11 | DBUG | Sent KICK fyrestorm to server |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | yes it did |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | just tried it again |
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| 18:16:11 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*n=fyre@*.nyc.res.rr.com |
| 18:16:11 | fyrestorm | system is frozen |
| 18:16:11 | * | petur was just responding to yet another proof of 'vista sucks' - no local success here :/ |
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| 18:17:51 | webguest13 | thanks i will try it |
| 18:18:04 | * | petur has a chat with logbot |
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| 18:21:11 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox -b *!*n=fyre@*.nyc.res.rr.com |
| 18:21:16 | webguest13 | oh i quited irc.could you please repeat your message? |
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| 18:22:31 | gevaerts | webguest13: the channel logs are available at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
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| 18:25:47 | webguest13 | <gevaerts>i think that couldnt help me.you see i am from russia so i cant view logs for my time and date |
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| 18:26:41 | krazykit | no, but surely you can figure out what time it is in UTC. |
| 18:26:53 | gevaerts | webguest13: why not ? just look at today's log and look near the bottom |
| 18:29:02 | Lear | Nico_P: I think that did it. I'll commit the small change soon. |
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| 18:29:02 | webguest13 | and what date do you have there?we have 21 of february |
| 18:29:02 | Nico_P | Lear: great :) |
| 18:30:09 | gevaerts | webguest13: There is a link marked "Today's log". That's the one you need |
| 18:30:49 | Nico_P | gevaerts: have you tried cmp? |
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| 18:31:30 | webguest13 | thanks |
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| 18:32:05 | gevaerts | Nico_P: cmp is not really useful to spot patterns. I'm now playing with od, wdiff, grep and others. |
| 18:32:24 | * | petur fails to find a logbot command to make it offer apologies to fyrestorm |
| 18:32:32 | fyrestorm | haha |
| 18:32:58 | fyrestorm | can anyone else confirm what i said though? |
| 18:33:21 | petur | just don't write too many short lines in a short interval |
| 18:33:21 | * | alienbiker99 wishes he could get the gigabeat s bootloader installed |
| 18:33:57 | fyrestorm | i replicate the problem on two different machines on vista. one 64bit, the other 32. has been happening with builds after 20080222 |
| 18:34:33 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: what OS are you on? |
| 18:34:33 | alienbiker99 | windows |
| 18:34:33 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: here? |
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| 18:34:34 | alienbiker99 | and i have cygwin and vmware |
| 18:34:59 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: oh. sorry I'm afraid I can't help you then. I don't think sendfirm works in cygwin. it might be worth trying in vmware though |
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| 18:37:07 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: are you using official builds or your own builds ? Do you have the svn revision numbers ? I'm trying to correlate what you report with recent usb changes. |
| 18:37:31 | fyrestorm | official builds. |
| 18:37:56 | alienbiker99 | ah ok. thanks though Nico_P |
| 18:38:29 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: what have you been trying? the hacked V updater? |
| 18:38:29 | webguest13 | <gevaerts>and then what shall i do with that .bin file from archive? |
| 18:38:40 | alienbiker99 | no, ive been trying to get the sendfirm to work. i use my gigabeat s everyday so i dont want to flash it and have the hd wiped |
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| 18:39:19 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: here here and there (checking in periodically) |
| 18:39:21 | gevaerts | webguest13: I can only read what that wiki page says. I'm not working on it myself. |
| 18:40:04 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: rev 16365 is the last one that worked without a problem |
| 18:40:04 | BigBambi | alienbiker99: masochist |
| 18:40:09 | Lear | Nico_P: As a nice side effect, effective buffering time is now noticeably shorter, as stuff isn't rebuffered. :) |
| 18:40:10 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: was wondering whether you had gotten sendfirm to work on windows (or with a VM). also thinking about your comment about the concurrency problems in the playback code |
| 18:40:15 | Nico_P | nice |
| 18:40:29 | alienbiker99 | i just cant get the libmtp to pick up the s in windows. i make the drivers and install it but it doesnt work |
| 18:40:29 | jhMikeS | yes, I have a sendfirm that works in XP |
| 18:40:41 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: good news? why no commit? |
| 18:40:50 | BigBambi | alienbiker99: I mean using the gigabeast OF everyday :) |
| 18:40:52 | Nico_P | err replace the first '?' by a '!' |
| 18:41:03 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It's messy to build and use |
| 18:41:06 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:41:34 | alienbiker99 | BigBambi hahah yeah it sucks, but i have to. my h300 battery is dead =\ |
| 18:41:57 | BigBambi | bad luck |
| 18:42:12 | jhMikeS | It needs alot of mods to libmtp though I could supply it compiled. It also needs driver installation to use it and then removal to access the MTP via explorer. |
| 18:43:18 | alienbiker99 | i downloaded sendfirm from you via a link in the logs. after i install the drivers, how do i remove MTP access? |
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| 18:43:57 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: a compiled version would be fine I guess. win users don't like to compile much ;) |
| 18:44:13 | jhMikeS | alienbiker99: just remove the libusb device in the device manager while the S is plugged and it will redetect as MTP |
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| 18:45:32 | alienbiker99 | but thats after i install the bootloader correct? |
| 18:45:45 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 18:45:55 | alienbiker99 | i cant get sendfirm to recognize the S |
| 18:48:12 | jhMikeS | you did the device install with install-filter.exe? |
| 18:48:31 | Lear | OK, committed. Time for dinner! :) |
| 18:48:46 | alienbiker99 | hm no, i didnt |
| 18:49:07 | jhMikeS | it's in the .gz file in /bin |
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| 18:51:06 | gevaerts | Can anyone think of a mechanism that inserts (not replaces) two bytes on random addresses ending in 0x220, copying them from 32 bytes back ? |
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| 18:52:46 | alienbiker99 | jhMikeS how do i use install-filter, through cmd? |
| 18:53:04 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: btw, I've never had any extensive look at threading in playback since mob but I haven't notices is what prevents a handle from being moved or discarded while something still needs it |
| 18:53:46 | * | flyback is really getting fed up with firefox in general |
| 18:56:02 | gevaerts | fyrestorm: I can't really see any changes after r16365 that could cause that, but I can't test on vista here. That's ipod 5g, right ? |
| 18:56:43 | jhMikeS | alienbiker99: shi+...I'm trying to remember. there were some simple instructions in there iirc. |
| 18:56:58 | jhMikeS | oh wait...it's inf-wizard |
| 18:57:01 | fyrestorm | gevaerts: correct |
| 18:58:27 | jhMikeS | alientbiker99: just run that with the S plugged and select it then it creates some driver .inf files. you use that to do a manual driver update on the MTP device from the device manager. |
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| 19:00:16 | alienbiker99 | ok ill try taht |
| 19:00:55 | alienbiker99 | it still comes up as gigabeat S |
| 19:01:02 | jhMikeS | where? |
| 19:01:24 | * | flyback building a canucking jtag today )(*!*(!)(*#*(*)#@*(&*(&@##$(*) |
| 19:01:36 | alienbiker99 | in device manager |
| 19:02:11 | jhMikeS | You did Update Driver...? |
| 19:03:06 | alienbiker99 | yes im trying it again |
| 19:03:35 | alienbiker99 | samething. it still is being recognized as gigabeat s |
| 19:03:40 | jhMikeS | make sure to install from a specific location and selecte the .inf inf-wizard created |
| 19:04:31 | alienbiker99 | ok im gonna start over, unzip sendfirm and try again |
| 19:05:19 | jhMikeS | When I'm done I see LibUSB-Win32Devices/gigabeat S |
| 19:05:35 | jhMikeS | then sendfirm will work |
| 19:05:43 | alienbiker99 | and you see that in device manager? |
| 19:05:47 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 19:06:26 | alienbiker99 | when im making the inf in inf-wizard. should it come up as MTP Device or gigabeat S? |
| 19:06:43 | jhMikeS | Gigabeat S in the wizard |
| 19:07:03 | jhMikeS | make sure the dll's are extracted too |
| 19:07:25 | * | flyback wonders if it's possible to port a mini os to the baseband processor on a server board |
| 19:07:53 | alienbiker99 | the libusb0 dlls ? |
| 19:08:06 | flyback | you know what might be a fun rockbox port |
| 19:08:20 | flyback | only thing is you need a raw source of nand for firmware |
| 19:08:21 | jhMikeS | yeah, it needs those. I'd just extract the whole /bin directory and run inf-wizard from there |
| 19:08:24 | flyback | juicebox port |
| 19:08:41 | alienbiker99 | ok thats what im doing |
| 19:08:45 | jhMikeS | save the inf the same one |
| 19:09:07 | alienbiker99 | man its only coming up as MTP but with the same vendor id |
| 19:09:09 | flyback | http://elinux.org/JuiceBox |
| 19:09:10 | flyback | :P |
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| 19:11:04 | alienbiker99 | jhMikeS do you have an updated sendfirm. maybe its my computer because it keeps recognizing it as a portable device |
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| 19:16:30 | jhMikeS | sendfirm doesn't sound like the issue |
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| 19:19:35 | jhMikeS | I think I see what's going wrong though |
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| 19:20:35 | jhMikeS | make sure to choose "Don't Search. I will choose the driver to install." and the click the "Have Disk..." button |
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| 19:32:20 | dcbahr | hi looking for tech help before purchasing an ipod |
| 19:32:59 | rocko | umm.. I got a question, my ipod (ipod color) and I were out all day yesterday (20 degrees) |
| 19:33:10 | rocko | and for whatever reason, all my fonts and whathaveyou disappeared |
| 19:33:29 | krazykit | rocko, that doesn't really sound related. |
| 19:33:29 | rocko | and it reverted back to the regular small text rockbox |
| 19:33:41 | rocko | that was the only thing I could think of |
| 19:33:50 | krazykit | dcbahr, the full list of supported devices is on the front page |
| 19:34:09 | krazykit | rocko, well, have you reloaded the WPS and font package, just to make sure everything's there? |
| 19:34:24 | dcbahr | I understand, but Ipurchased a 5th gen ipod vid last may and installed rockbox on it, but could barely get the thing to speak, I am tally blind so speech is essential, |
| 19:34:24 | rocko | wps? |
| 19:34:39 | krazykit | rocko, your "theme" |
| 19:34:44 | dcbahr | I am now looking at a 4th gen ipod photo but don't want to run in to the same issue |
| 19:34:48 | rocko | ohh |
| 19:34:54 | rocko | I don't know man |
| 19:36:01 | krazykit | dcbahr, every player has the same method for installing speech support. |
| 19:36:03 | alienbiker99 | thats what i was doing wrong, thanks jhMikeS |
| 19:37:16 | dcbahr | ok, perhaps I didn't install the speech support properly? this was several months back so I couldn't tell you exactly what I did, but I remember installing and uninstalling the firmware several times and just barely getting to to anounce a playlist, I never got any music out of the thing at all and returned the player |
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| 19:38:10 | krazykit | dcbahr, as i recall, it's as simple as downloading a file, renaming it, putting it into the proper directory and enabling an option |
| 19:39:14 | dcbahr | which iswhat I did and still got nothing, I really would like an ipod as mp3 cds take up space and this person has a good deal on one, could you possibly point me to the page for installing speech? so that when I get the player I can do it and try? |
| 19:39:44 | jhMikeS | a more minimal zip: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/sendfirm-win.zip |
| 19:40:17 | dcbahr | this was the latest and greatest ipod that I had purchased the last time, and I am thinking that the build had some bugs in it, so I'm wondering if an older model might solve the problem, not to mention it's cheaper |
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| 19:40:54 | alienbiker99 | jhMikeS i should be able to get into the default rockbox menu with the latest build right? |
| 19:41:54 | jhMikeS | It should. Be sure to remove the libusb device from the device manager and do 'make tar' and copy that over using Explorer |
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| 19:42:21 | alienbiker99 | so the .rockbox folder will be in a .tar? |
| 19:42:49 | jhMikeS | yes, and the bootloader will extract it. |
| 19:43:00 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: iirc that is working now? |
| 19:43:09 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 19:44:09 | krazykit | dcbahr, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto , though i believe you rename the file to "english.voice" for an english voice. |
| 19:44:22 | * | jhMikeS hasn't tried the tar thing himself yet |
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| 19:44:51 | dcbahr | thanks |
| 19:45:08 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yes the tar thing works |
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| 19:46:08 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: just send rockbox.tar over to the device (via MTP) and the rockbox BL will untar it |
| 19:46:56 | dcbahr | strange, I rememberdoing this last year, the renaming and the langs directory, but still got no response, I did not have any sighted assistance though so it was all guessing |
| 19:47:17 | alienbiker99 | ok thanks guys |
| 19:47:23 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Sorry, I appear to have deleted something you werre replying to |
| 19:47:28 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: is it working? |
| 19:47:48 | alienbiker99 | im building now, then making it a tar |
| 19:47:51 | BigBambi | But I have tried to contain it all here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15602.0 |
| 19:48:23 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: The tar thing works excelently |
| 19:48:29 | * | BigBambi can't spell :( |
| 19:51:46 | bluebrother | BigBambi: no biggie, I wasn't sure if I should submit that response anyway. |
| 19:51:53 | alienbiker99 | i put the tar in root right? |
| 19:52:18 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I still don't know what he is on about |
| 19:52:19 | jhMikeS | just dump it in "Storage" |
| 19:52:20 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: yes |
| 19:52:23 | Nico_P | ah |
| 19:52:33 | BigBambi | Can you put the tar anywhere else? |
| 19:52:41 | * | gevaerts is finding some more patterns |
| 19:52:48 | bluebrother | I'd say he's trying to sell something he has absolutely no clue about. And wants us to fix that. |
| 19:52:55 | BigBambi | gevaerts: You taken up knitting? |
| 19:52:55 | jhMikeS | It only looks in the storage root |
| 19:53:23 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Yes, it appears that way. I just want some details! |
| 19:53:25 | gevaerts | BigBambi: no, trying to find the cause of some data corruption |
| 19:53:28 | Nico_P | AFAIK the MTP DB puts all the files in the same dir anyway |
| 19:53:48 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Good work :) |
| 19:54:16 | gevaerts | BigBambi: it's what makes high-speed unusable right now, but desowin has also seen it once with full speed |
| 19:54:21 | * | jhMikeS wonders what all the silly file munging accomplishes |
| 19:54:50 | desowin | so we have 3rd peron now! |
| 19:55:02 | desowin | s/peron/person/ |
| 19:55:26 | BigBambi | gevaerts: So I was lucky that high-speeed workjed for me when I tested it? :) |
| 19:55:52 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: is the data corrupted before or after sending to ATA? |
| 19:56:12 | gevaerts | BigBambi: did you read or write ? It goes wrong on write |
| 19:56:32 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I don't know yet. |
| 19:56:50 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Both |
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| 19:57:20 | BigBambi | But I admit I didn't MD5, I just listened so there may be something wrong I didn't notice |
| 19:57:54 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: Sure there's no race condition with the interrupt? If anything must be atomic with it use set_irq_level. I'm guessing it may be more critical at high speed. |
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| 19:59:21 | gevaerts | What happens is that "something" inserts two bytes at an offset of 0x220 into a page. The bytes are copied from 32 bytes earlier. Note that they are _inserted_, not overwritten. After this, the data is shifted by two bytes for a length of 16k-0x220 bytes. |
| 19:59:24 | Nico_P | "[18:53] <jhMikeS> Nico_P: btw, I've never had any extensive look at threading in playback since mob but I haven't notices is what prevents a handle from being moved or discarded while something still needs it" => handles are opened or closed only by the playback thread ATM, so there is no risk. There is nothing to prevent unwanted closing though. about moving, nothing prevents it either. the idea is that users should know the data can move and |
| 19:59:24 | Nico_P | therefor not rely on a pointer |
| 19:59:34 | rasher | Which WPS-related changes (that would make a wps stop working) have there been since november? Trying to fix a wps (BigAqua for e200) for my father |
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| 20:00:11 | Nico_P | rasher: maybe parameter syntax. run it through checkwps |
| 20:00:31 | rasher | Nico_P: Dang - I don |
| 20:00:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: of course I welcome any improvement suggestions |
| 20:01:02 | rasher | Nico_P: Don't have access to a linux machine here, and my own sims don't work nice with checkwps :-/ |
| 20:01:24 | jhMikeS | but if anything switches contexts in between for whatever reason the data consumer may have an invalid pointer |
| 20:01:32 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: that's a possibility. I haven't done much more than finding patterns yet. This data is written to RAM by the usb controller, which fires an interrupt on completion, after which the software writes it to flash. |
| 20:03:48 | * | gevaerts doesn't like this kind of bug |
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| 20:07:22 | bluebrother | Nico_P: btw, I had the impression that playback became buggier in the last month. Had a hang after skipping albums recently |
| 20:07:36 | bluebrother | (but I need to admit that I haven't investigated any further) |
| 20:14:19 | rasher | If anyone's interested in my WPS woes, the offender was not ending %xl commands with a | |
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| 20:16:06 | Nico_P | rasher: that's what I thought |
| 20:16:35 | rasher | Luckily the checkwps tool helped me |
| 20:16:43 | Nico_P | bluebrother: there were lots of new bug reports lately. Lear committed a change that might improve things |
| 20:16:59 | rasher | I need to investigate what's up with my sims and debugwps sometime |
| 20:17:11 | Nico_P | what's happenning? |
| 20:17:19 | rasher | Nothing at all |
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| 20:18:02 | rasher | The command just executes and returns to the prompt. I think it's something to do with being able to write to stdout - the regular sim build also forks and returns to the command-prompt immediately when run |
| 20:18:09 | rasher | This is the crosscompiled windows-sim |
| 20:18:24 | rasher | Doesn't happen if you build in cygwin I think |
| 20:19:18 | bluebrother | playback stopped, but wps showed playing icon (i.e. no audio output, time display stalling at 0:00, statusbar icon "play") |
| 20:19:43 | bluebrother | pausing and unpausing got me back into the game. |
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| 20:29:41 | * | Nico_P takes off |
| 20:29:55 | BigBambi | wow |
| 20:30:32 | BigBambi | Il est un avion! |
| 20:32:48 | bluebrother | BigBambi: you're really making it easy for that guy ;-) |
| 20:34:02 | BigBambi | bluebrother: I don't know what else to say |
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| 20:34:40 | kiddo | would you go somewhere where you fought with people would you talk to people who you fought with earlier? and you went out of site or made him/her out of sight? |
| 20:36:24 | BigBambi | kiddo: If you would care to a) put that in English and b) make it relevant to Rockbox we would appreciate it. If not, go away |
| 20:36:25 | krazykit | kiddo, please read the channel guidelines. this is an on-topic channel, so please take non-rockbox chatter elsewhere |
| 20:36:53 | kiddo | wtf ios rockbox |
| 20:36:58 | kiddo | is it same as beat box? |
| 20:37:16 | BigBambi | kiddo: Read www.rockbox.org |
| 20:37:36 | kiddo | is it for linux or freebsd or mac or windows? |
| 20:37:53 | BigBambi | yes |
| 20:37:57 | BigBambi | all of the above |
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| 20:38:12 | BigBambi | It is for many portable audio players |
| 20:38:20 | BigBambi | and your OS is unimportant |
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| 20:40:36 | kiddo | fucking sucks |
| 20:40:40 | kiddo | probably for women |
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| 20:42:12 | * | BigBambi wishes he had logbot poking powers |
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| 20:45:02 | kiddo | i have huge nose or nose that sticks out really down so what? do i look like a rat or scary? like a jew? also i am Bengali origin and brown/dirty looking |
| 20:45:15 | bluebrother | hmm, how can someone get those powers? Is there any documentation for it? |
| 20:45:48 | krazykit | i should think you just have to bother whoever runs it enough ;) |
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| 20:46:31 | kiddo | i have huge nose or nose that sticks out really down so what? do i look like a rat or scary? like a jew? also i am Bengali origin and brown/dirty looking |
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| 20:47:25 | * | jhMikeS blesses kiddo and sells some rope too |
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| 20:50:26 | dave_ | I don't know if anyone else has had trouble with this (couldn't find a bug report), but I'm having trouble with resuming playback after shutting down my Gigabeat F40 |
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| 20:51:57 | bluebrother | BigBambi: seems our guy is loosing his nerves. |
| 20:52:01 | dave_ | when I resume playback, it will first play a snippet of a previous song in the playlist, then either play the song I stopped at a position further along than it was, or play another song further down in the playlist |
| 20:53:58 | * | bluebrother wonders why this guy is that upset |
| 20:55:50 | bluebrother | dave_: does that happen on resume-on-startup or when resuming manually? |
| 20:56:13 | dave_ | resuming manually |
| 20:57:15 | dave_ | there's been all kinds of playback issues recently |
| 20:57:17 | bluebrother | hmm, I haven't experienced this. But I also don't own a Gigabeat. |
| 20:57:40 | bluebrother | yep, I notices some playback issues too. Just not this one. |
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| 20:58:03 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if there already is a tracker entry for that. Quite possible. |
| 20:58:28 | dave_ | I looked for about 5 minutes in the recent entries, but couldn't find one |
| 20:59:42 | bluebrother | Nico_P might be aware of it but I think he just left a while ago. |
| 20:59:53 | dave_ | that's fine |
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| 21:00:08 | dave_ | I think I talked to him a little while ago about another playback issue I was having |
| 21:00:23 | dave_ | maybe a week or so |
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| 21:05:19 | dave_ | a ha! |
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| 21:05:26 | dave_ | I think I found what I was looking for |
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| 21:05:47 | dave_ | well, for one of the issues, at least |
| 21:05:55 | bluebrother | nice :) |
| 21:07:47 | jhMikeS | hmmm...codec_track_changed called from FIQ/DMA interrupt context is unsafe |
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| 21:17:49 | gevaerts | Is memcmp supposed to work on rockbox ? |
| 21:18:36 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:19:04 | gevaerts | Then I'm doing something stupid somewhere. |
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| 21:19:14 | Bagder | lots of code uses it already at least |
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| 21:20:05 | * | gevaerts found the stupidity, and tries again |
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| 21:22:50 | * | gevaerts feels slightly relieved. The bug is not in the usb driver, but seems to be in the sd card driver |
| 21:23:02 | gevaerts | So it's not entirely my fault at least. |
| 21:23:58 | gevaerts | Is ata_write_sectors() supposed to be interrupt safe ? |
| 21:24:04 | jhMikeS | no |
| 21:25:16 | gevaerts | How high do I need to set_irq_level() ? Disable ? |
| 21:25:47 | jhMikeS | you can't call that function from an interrupt handler at all |
| 21:26:04 | jhMikeS | set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) disables everything but audio interrupts |
| 21:26:24 | jhMikeS | it returns the old level which can be restored by calling the same |
| 21:27:44 | gevaerts | I'm not in an interrupt handler. I get usb data, tell the controller to expect more, and call ata_write_sectors(). (probably) during the ata_write_sectors() call an USB interrupt comes in which seems to disturb the write to flash. reading back immediately afterwards shows the two-byte shift |
| 21:28:30 | Febs | dave_: I just came across this thread in the forum that seems similar to what you described earlier: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15160 |
| 21:28:43 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: is complete install considered to be fixed? |
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| 21:33:41 | dave_ | thanks Febs |
| 21:34:25 | dave_ | looks like Marcus committed something today as an attempt to fix some of the playback problems |
| 21:34:26 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: the interrupt during a disk write shouldn't disturb anything. you're setting it up to receive another block into a different buffer while writing the last one received? |
| 21:35:12 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: yes. |
| 21:35:17 | dave_ | I'm in the process of updating my build to check it out |
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| 21:36:50 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: for testing purposes I'm reading back immediatelly what was just written, and it (sometimes) doesn't match, in exactly the right way (i.e. a two-byte shift) |
| 21:36:58 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: i consider it fixed, until i hear otherwise.. :-) |
| 21:37:01 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I can't see a problem unless the interrupt could occur during setting up the next buffer by being setup to fire too early or some such. |
| 21:38:22 | bluebrother | seems like some guy has problems using it on h10: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15602 |
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| 21:42:39 | jhMikeS | where is usb_drv_recv implemented? (can't seem to find it) |
| 21:42:42 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: this guy seams to have problems doing anything.. |
| 21:42:49 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 21:43:01 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: in firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-pp502x.c |
| 21:43:40 | * | gevaerts still has his money on the sd card driver doing the wrong thing for some reason |
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| 21:46:47 | jhMikeS | so no interrupt can fire until REG_ENDPTPRIME |= mask ? |
| 21:47:40 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I put a patch for my extra checking code at http://pastebin.ca/915485, so you can see how I check for the bug |
| 21:48:33 | linuxstb | ali_as: I've just added your Samsung YP-K3 line to tcctool in SVN.,, |
| 21:49:14 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: not for this transfer at least. There could be other transfers pending at the same time if e.g. serial is active. |
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| 21:49:34 | ali_as | Thanks. |
| 21:51:17 | linuxstb | Bagder: Are you around for a few minutes? I'm creating a new win32 binary for tcctool for the download server. |
| 21:51:25 | Bagder | I am |
| 21:53:12 | * | jhMikeS still is unfamiliar with how everything is getting signalled here |
| 21:53:21 | linuxstb | Bagder: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/tcctool-win32.zip |
| 21:54:04 | bluebrother | Bagder: btw, have you gotten around moving the updated linux binary of rbutil to the download server? My first binary had libusb dynamically linked. |
| 21:54:29 | Bagder | linuxstb: should they perhaps get a version number? |
| 21:54:45 | Bagder | bluebrother: no, I haven't seen any updated ones. URL? |
| 21:54:52 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: could you also update the windows binary again ? (there was a bugfix for the sapi_voice.vbs script.. ) |
| 21:54:55 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 21:55:29 | linuxstb | Bagder: Hmm. I'm not sure it's worth it - the only thing that changes is that more supported devices are added, and the user can see that list by running tcctool without any options. |
| 21:55:32 | bluebrother | Bagder: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.4.tar.bz2 |
| 21:55:53 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: the too-small-voicefiles issue? |
| 21:56:06 | Bagder | linuxstb: ok, it's been updated now |
| 21:56:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: OK, thanks. |
| 21:56:34 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: yes, it was non-working voice selection.. |
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| 21:57:14 | Bagder | bluebrother: done! |
| 21:57:20 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what do you mean a two-byte shift? |
| 21:57:20 | bluebrother | Bagder: thanks :) |
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| 21:59:16 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: ah, you're referring to r16359? |
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| 22:00:16 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: i think you can just rebuild the m1.0.4 branch, because i only branched the rbutil dir, and the script is in the tools dir :-) |
| 22:00:54 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: at a certain point two bytes are written that shouldn't be there (they seem to be copied from 32 bytes earlier), and then the needed bytes are written, without any missing, so they are all in the wrong position. |
| 22:01:03 | bluebrother | well, we haven't had any changes to rbutil after the last release so it won't make any difference ... |
| 22:01:07 | * | gevaerts doesn't really know how to say this clearly |
| 22:01:11 | barrywardell_ | bluebrother, Domonoky_: speaking of rbutil. I tried to build it on my Mac today. I got it to build, but it segfaults when going into the config screen. Any ideas why? |
| 22:01:22 | bluebrother | except for the net traffic (which currently still _is_ an issue for me) |
| 22:02:06 | barrywardell_ | here are the details of the crash in case it helps: http://pastebin.com/m8f6a530 |
| 22:02:10 | Domonoky_ | and yes its rev16259.. |
| 22:02:22 | Domonoky_ | s/2/3 :-) |
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| 22:03:50 | bluebrother | barrywardell_: do you have an old configuration file around? |
| 22:04:14 | barrywardell_ | I did, but I deleted that and still get the same problem. |
| 22:04:48 | bluebrother | hmm. Seems it has problems with setting the proxy values. |
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| 22:05:18 | barrywardell_ | I deleted the config file in ~/.config/rockbox.org/... |
| 22:05:23 | * | Domonoky_ sees the problem.. |
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| 22:05:38 | Domonoky_ | function systemProxy in utils.cpp |
| 22:06:05 | Domonoky_ | it only has an implementation for linux and windows, no return value for mac .. :-/ |
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| 22:06:32 | barrywardell_ | ah, makes sense |
| 22:06:43 | webguest12 | hello!i am porting rockbox to meizu m6.i need to decrypt the original frimware.i have a code in a .rar archive which contains .bin file.how should i do it? |
| 22:06:48 | * | bluebrother just found that too |
| 22:06:57 | * | bluebrother blames Domonoky_ :P |
| 22:07:11 | * | Domonoky_ hides.. |
| 22:07:30 | jhMikeS | gevearts: so it's particular bytes from the last 32-byte block or just random leaking of two bytes into the start of the current block? |
| 22:08:05 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: any idea how to get the systemproxy on mac ? |
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| 22:08:41 | * | jhMikeS thinks he saw this stuff when attempting to speed up the writing in general |
| 22:08:51 | bluebrother | no. |
| 22:09:17 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: in the cases I checked, the two "extra" bytes are always inserted just before a new 32-byte block, and are the same as the first two bytes in the preceding 32-byte block |
| 22:10:01 | bluebrother | system proxy selection is disabled on mac anyway (until now) |
| 22:10:26 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: is there any point in trying without boosting ? |
| 22:10:27 | Domonoky_ | so a quickfix would be to return an empty url ? |
| 22:10:54 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I think that should be tested to see if it goes away |
| 22:11:33 | bluebrother | yep, just return QUrl(""); |
| 22:11:48 | bluebrother | but I'm wondering why this function is called at all |
| 22:11:48 | * | barrywardell_ is testing that now |
| 22:12:27 | barrywardell_ | it fixes the crash anyway |
| 22:12:52 | * | bluebrother found another bug |
| 22:13:00 | barrywardell_ | in the config dialog, "Use system values" is greyed out, but selected |
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| 22:13:54 | webguest12 | or when i deleted first 8 kb from the frimware using hex editor and had a .bin file, i did decryption? |
| 22:14:27 | bluebrother | system proxy is broken in rbutilqt.cpp |
| 22:14:48 | Bagder | webguest12: I think that's what is meant yes, as I believe there is no encryption involved |
| 22:16:48 | Domonoky_ | also its the wrong default, if it isnt aviable on mac... should set the default to "none" |
| 22:17:40 | webguest12 | and what is encryption and how will i know if it is involved or if it isnt? |
| 22:18:55 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: if I turn off boosting, it seems high speed doesn't work any more |
| 22:18:56 | Bagder | webguest12: if you can extract the file(s) in the rar file and disassemble the arm code, there is no encryption |
| 22:19:05 | bluebrother | I'm quite sure the default was none on mac. |
| 22:19:26 | bluebrother | Seems we overlooked some small regressions during code refactoring :/ |
| 22:19:28 | * | Domonoky_ is sorry for breaking bluebrothers proxy code... but i had to rework the settings... :-) |
| 22:20:39 | barrywardell_ | I just deleted my config file and checked again. "Use system values" is selected and greyed out by default on mac |
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| 22:21:37 | webguest12 | so if i can extract this file and i can open it with hex editor than there is no encryption? |
| 22:22:14 | Domonoky_ | yes, again a little mistake of me, while i reworked the settings code (defaults are now in rbsettings) .. * me goes hiding* ... |
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| 22:22:53 | Bagder | webguest12: if you can extract it, and read sensible data from the files, then yes |
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| 22:23:15 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: should i start fixing, or are you already orking on fixing my mess ? :-) |
| 22:23:15 | replix | where to get the firmware-roms for the sansa e200 models? |
| 22:23:36 | webguest12 | so then what arw the second steps in porting? |
| 22:24:02 | linuxstb | webguest12: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 22:24:13 | * | barrywardell_ can build a rbutil binary once the fixes are committed to svn |
| 22:25:24 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: well, I already committed a fix. But not for barrywardell_'s issue |
| 22:27:11 | bluebrother | oh, something completely different: can someone explain me the syntax in apps/player/icons.c:42 (the ... part)? Is that an extension? |
| 22:27:25 | * | Domonoky_ commited the fix for barrys issue now.. |
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| 22:30:00 | webguest12 | so now i need just to try if the player works with that .bin file.if it is so then how to upgrade my player with this binary?(usually i just push to files m6.ebn and resource.bin in root |
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| 22:31:37 | Bagder | webguest12: you need to tell us, it's you who owns this player not us |
| 22:31:52 | * | amiconn is now really pissed by rockbox' current resume behaviour on swcodec |
| 22:32:39 | amiconn | Resuming into the last track of an album practically never works, even if track would still have minutes to go |
| 22:33:34 | webguest12 | but the second step is to check if the player works with that .bin file, right? |
| 22:33:50 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: not sure if it's if any use but a queue can be read by an interrupt handler and replies received to waiting threads as long as queue_wait_w_tmo is used in the handler and it's dedicated to thead to interrupt messaging |
| 22:34:13 | jhMikeS | of course the timeout should be zero to avoid blocking |
| 22:34:54 | * | bluebrother committed a fix for Domonoky_'s fix :P |
| 22:35:18 | amiconn | Domonoky_: Did you check whether my sapi5 list fix helps? |
| 22:36:53 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I think I understand what you're saying, but I don't really see a need for it within the usb code. |
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| 22:42:28 | bluebrother | hmm, does w2k don't ship with sapi tts? |
| 22:42:54 | amiconn | Iirc it ships with a *broken* sapi4 installation |
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| 22:43:39 | bluebrother | urgh. Ok, then I won't try building voices on that box. |
| 22:43:46 | amiconn | (I've read that somewhere - I don't have much experience with w2k myself) |
| 22:44:03 | amiconn | Just install sapi4 and sapi5. Then it should work |
| 22:44:30 | bluebrother | where can I grab those? /me has no idea about this stuff |
| 22:44:35 | amiconn | Remember to register the sapi4 DLLs manually - the standalone sapi4 installer forgets that too |
| 22:44:40 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: Just a thought I had. Anyway, I did get that stuff before from the ATA and never found a logical reason for the stale halfword and nothing seemed to fix it but keeping writing slow. |
| 22:45:06 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: any way of slowing it down more ? |
| 22:45:30 | jhMikeS | longer udelay in ata_write_sectors perhaps |
| 22:46:15 | * | barrywardell_ has a the osx version of rbutil m1.0.4 ready for the download server |
| 22:46:24 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do I remember correctly that the sansa OF writes the last 16 bytes (or so) of each sector without using dma?= |
| 22:46:31 | jhMikeS | it's almost like FIFO_EMPTY isn't telling the truth |
| 22:46:52 | amiconn | Maybe that's some kind of workaround for (yet another) PP hardware bug.... |
| 22:46:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there is that but I don't recall how much it writes |
| 22:47:14 | jhMikeS | we aren't using any DMA at all anyway |
| 22:47:40 | amiconn | oh? |
| 22:47:46 | amiconn | Maybe that's the problem... |
| 22:48:27 | amiconn | I remember a problem on Ondio, which had a different effect but also had to do with write latency |
| 22:48:41 | jhMikeS | I think that may be related to cache lines |
| 22:49:03 | amiconn | The Ondio MMC driver *does* use DMA, transferring to/from SPI |
| 22:49:53 | amiconn | There are 4 DMA channels in the SH1, with different priority. We used DMA1 for MAS audio DMA, and DMA2 for MMC DMA (lower priority than DMA1) |
| 22:50:19 | amiconn | Sometimes, the MMC driver just locked up. Happened only on write, never on read |
| 22:50:23 | jhMikeS | the doc I have just says "a small part of transfers using PIO" |
| 22:50:25 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I now have udelay(5) instead of udelay(2), and it still goes wrong |
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| 22:51:12 | amiconn | It also happened more often when playing music, and became very apparent with the WAV plugin (with of course puts more strain on both DMAs) |
| 22:51:29 | jhMikeS | more accurately: "...a small part of every write using PIO" |
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| 22:52:24 | barrywardell_ | Bagder: if you're around, can you please put this in the rbutil/macosx/ dir on the download server: barrywardell.net/rockbox/rbutilqt-m1.0.4.dmg">http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/rbutilqt-m1.0.4.dmg |
| 22:52:45 | amiconn | So I guessed that the MMC DMA might get starved sometimes. I changed it to using DMA0 (higher priority), and the problem went away... |
| 22:52:54 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:53:05 | Bagder | done! |
| 22:53:25 | barrywardell_ | thanks! |
| 22:53:48 | bluebrother | gtg now. bye. |
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| 22:54:34 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I guess it's starvation and not cache related because gevaerts reported that the following data is shifted |
| 22:54:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: but what we have here is 2 bytes duplicated from the start of a previous FIFO fill as the start of the next. iow a slot never seem to get updated. |
| 22:55:01 | amiconn | yep |
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| 22:56:05 | amiconn | I guess this is because the controller continued writing although the fifo was already empty. The 32 bytes would then be the fifo length |
| 22:56:15 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: the IMX.31 SDHC controller is similar (though not identical) to the PP one so perhaps check that out |
| 22:57:03 | jhMikeS | the card could be in the wrong state |
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| 22:59:07 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: now that you mention it, the svn usb code still has ata_enable(false) somewhere in its path. I'll see removing that changes anything |
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| 23:00:53 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: no change |
| 23:01:08 | jhMikeS | or just disable the function body in ata-c200_e200.c :) |
| 23:01:16 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 23:02:03 | gevaerts | I don't think I have mentionned this before, but it seems to happen about once every 1.5 MB |
| 23:02:59 | jhMikeS | I don't think you did. When I tried optimizing the write code it happened rather immediately. I wonder if recording would also show this problem. |
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| 23:05:36 | barrywardell_ | wouldn't test_disk reveal if there was a problem like that? |
| 23:07:19 | gevaerts | I'll try |
| 23:07:53 | jhMikeS | copy a huge file on target and compare it? |
| 23:09:06 | gevaerts | I'll start with the test_disk write and verify test, boosted and unboosted |
| 23:10:30 | * | gevaerts thinks people left some bugs around to trick unsuspecting contributors into improving parts of the code they weren't originally interested in |
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| 23:12:42 | * | jhMikeS has a similar sense at cynicism at times :p |
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| 23:16:46 | krazykit | gevaerts, you've uncovered the conspiracy plot :o |
| 23:17:15 | * | gevaerts hides before the Swedes discover this |
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| 23:20:03 | gevaerts | It's lucky I just read http://valhenson.livejournal.com/9540.html a few days ago |
| 23:20:58 | gevaerts | Write&verify at 30 MHz passed, now running at 80 MHz |
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| 23:24:29 | gevaerts | 80 MHz passed as well. |
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| 23:34:38 | gevaerts | I copied a 25MB file from internal flash to SD card, once at 30 MHz and once at 80 MHz. The md5sums match. |
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| 23:47:37 | barrywardell_ | gevaerts: does the problem only happen with sd based devices? |
| 23:48:20 | * | amiconn now found the real cause of the failing default viewer iconset on greyscale targets |
| 23:49:07 | gevaerts | barrywardell_: no idea. I only have a c250, and although desowin saw it once on full speed, it seems to happen nearly only on high speed connections, and that's not very widely tested yet |
| 23:50:17 | gevaerts | barrywardell_: but I strongly suspect it happens if the sd driver is interrupted at a bad moment during writing. |
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| 23:52:18 | barrywardell_ | I can test on my H10 |
| 23:52:47 | * | barrywardell_ has found that he can use rockbox usb mode on his mac by running windows through parallels desktop :) |
| 23:53:59 | gevaerts | I just changed the udelay(2) in ata-c200_e200.c to udelay(1), and that seems to solve the issue (or at least make it rare enough that I didn't see it in my 100MB test-copy) |
| 23:54:13 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what would interrupt it? |
| 23:54:26 | midkay | Bagder: still around? |
| 23:54:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:55:03 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the usb transfer completion interrupt for the next chunk of incoming data |
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| 23:55:50 | * | gevaerts goes to do some maths to verify his claim |
| 23:56:05 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: it gets interrupted by the tick too 100 times/second |
| 23:56:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: you have a point there |
| 23:58:04 | jhMikeS | it gets interrupted during playback 3675 times/second to fill audio fifos too :) |
| 23:58:04 | barrywardell_ | what's the best way to test it on my H10? |
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