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#rockbox log for 2008-02-29

00:00:03 Quit ender` (" I don't see what C++ has to do with keeping people from shooting themselves in the foot. C++ will happily load the gun, off")
00:00:15jhMikeSshouldn't it avoid idle notifys too then?
00:00:34inkognito_Ostripwax: don't you support it because you're not aware of the k3-thing or because this is not a rockbox-thing?
00:01:01Lloreaninkognito_O: not a rockbox thing
00:01:37inkognito_Ohum .. okay, thats a pity
00:01:39advcomp2019inkognito_O, i know there might be a few people at #AnythingButiPod that could help
00:02:33inkognito_Oadvcomp2019: thanks for the hint :)
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00:02:54inkognito_Oi wish you a good night!
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00:27:27webguest66hi can you guys help me out. i just copied all the pacman files into the pacman directory i already checked that i had the right files and that they were in the right place but i still can't play pacman. please help. :)
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00:28:49rasherwebguest66: Then they probably weren't the right files, or they weren't in the right place.
00:30:57webguest66but they are i have al of them.
00:31:27LloreanDo the MD5 sums match?
00:31:42webguest66do the what?
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00:32:42LloreanGoogle "MD5" and you should find out more about them. We give the values for the files on the PluginPacbox page
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00:34:48webguest66oh sorry never mind i copied 1 file twice instead of the other. it works now. thank you! :)
00:37:30webguest66do you guys know a link to a site that can teach me how to install rockbox patches?
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00:44:43yzahello :)
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01:24:19LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Still here?
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01:30:40vershow can i connect my ipod to rockbox...or open a .zip file and install it?
01:31:27versanyone?
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01:35:41Hodappwell, asking a channel and leaving one minute later is one way that won't work
01:36:56LambdaCalculus37People have no patience, it seems.
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02:23:43crzyboysterThe archos version of cabbiev2's files could use some renaming. Look at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/cabbiev2/ and none of the archos version's files are named consistently with the rest of the ports' files. Does anybody else really care about this?
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02:34:49crzyboysterSo I guess nobody really cares...
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02:36:14krazykitor maybe waiting 10 minutes on IRC tells you jack squat.
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02:41:57dcbahrhello need tech help with voice file on ipod, apparently it doesn't talk when I have the ipod plugged in to the computer, any ideas on this?
02:44:42dcbahruh, I guess no one is around?
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02:46:17advcomp2019dcbahr, just hold on
02:46:32dcbahrholding
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02:47:23advcomp2019dcbahr, people are here but you might have to wait for someone that knows your question
02:48:46dcbahralright i understand,thank you
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02:50:48mikegerwitzHey - I just registered for the wiki; could I have write access to add info regarding the Sansa e280v2 to DeviceDetection?
02:50:53mikegerwitzUsername MikeGerwitz
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03:31:02LambdaCalculus37I was just called by a friend of mine with a Rockboxed H120, saying that Rockbox doesn't boot fully, and is giving him an "ATA -32 error", although I'm unsure what the error means. Any advice?
03:31:27LambdaCalculus37I'm thinking it has to do with his filesystem or the hard drive.
03:31:56LloreanHD.
03:32:17LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Crap. I was afraid of that. =/
03:32:18LloreanI *think* it may be an issue requiring a touch of soldering, but I'm not really sure
03:32:35LloreanIt's actually a daughterboard thing, iirc. But that might've been -11
03:33:27LambdaCalculus37Llorean: If it *does* require soldering, what would I have to solder/
03:33:29LambdaCalculus37?
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03:34:04LloreanI don't really no, I've never experienced the problem myself. The man to ask would be LinusN when he's around
03:35:01LambdaCalculus37All right, I'll ask him in the morning. He should be around by then.
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03:35:54LambdaCalculus37But I also have to check the file system on my friend's H120, because he was also telling me that the free space/used space measurements are really unusual.
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03:36:25LloreanAccording to Rockbox, or Windows?
03:37:38LambdaCalculus37Llorean: According to Windows, he has (currently) 7.1 GB free. According to Rockbox, he has, and this is verbatim, "10 *!# $ B W { > .."
03:37:46LloreanThat's very strange
03:37:58LambdaCalculus37So I think his file system may be corrupt.
03:38:03LloreanRockbox will often report wrong values, but this is because Windows fails to update the FAT, iirc.
03:38:19LloreanYou can force Rockbox to rescan by pressing "Select" in the space free screen, if memory serves.
03:38:59LambdaCalculus37Yes, that's correct. I asked him to do it, but he says value given doesn't look correct.
03:39:50LambdaCalculus37I'm going to look at it this weekend, so I'll have a better understanding of what it is when I can see it with my own eyes.
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03:47:18LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Thanks for the help. :)
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04:33:09crzyboysterDoes the mrobe 100 have wps capablities yet?
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04:35:59crzyboysterFor reasons uknown to me, the cabbiev2 theme I modded for it won't work on the sim. Although the other wps' do work...
04:38:22crzyboysterIf anyone wants to check it out here it is > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3EVNR6TN
04:38:50crzyboysterThat's all the work I've done so far, although the rockbox logos and volume icons could use some brushing up...
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05:15:18Beta2KAnyone around know much about the Doom plugin?
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05:19:15krazykitBeta2K, just ask your question
05:20:57Beta2KWelp, on my Gigabeat F when I have the screen turned 90deg in Doom it invitably crashes with a error "Undefined instruction at 0237c56c"
05:21:10Beta2KSeems to always be at the same location
05:22:00Beta2KYet when running without turning the screen (not a easy task due to button placement) I was able to play through a level and no crash
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05:46:30heatmanHow do you apply a theme that has been downloaded from the website. Tutorial is not really clear!
05:49:27krazykitwhat tutorial?
05:51:28heatmanwell the manual from the website. theres a bunch o themes available but no info on how ton install them once unzipped onto the ipod itself in my example
05:52:04cool_walking_Well at that point they are installed.
05:52:16krazykitassuming you've done it correctly (unzipped it to the root of your device) you just go to the appropriate settings menu
05:52:46krazykitsettings -> theme settings -> browse themes
05:53:56heatmanaye... it does not appear there!
05:54:38krazykitthen you unzipped it wrong or the wps is packaged incorrectly. did you unzip the WPS the same way you did your rockbox build?
05:55:02heatmanlol how can i unzip wrong when using: unzip Ubuntu.zip!
05:55:53heatmanwhat should be the extention of the file?
05:57:11krazykittry "unzip Ubuntu.zip -d /media/ipod" where /media/ipod is the actual path to your ipod
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06:01:21heatmanlol the file is there rockbox cant id it when in the settings > browse themes
06:01:32heatmanshould it be in a .cfg format?
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06:46:07syn4pseis there a global that tells what resolution the player has, given it has an lcd?
06:47:58syn4psenm... i'll look at some more code..
06:49:23cool_walking_I think so. Look at the plugins and the SOURCES for bitmaps.
06:50:25cool_walking_Ha, LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT..
06:51:05syn4pseholy cow. i'm going to bury myself in #define statements... :/
06:51:52syn4psei managed to squashify my tiles to 7x7. i dont' know if i can get them smaller.... i think figuring out all the different keypads is going to be hard...
06:52:35syn4psei only have one player (ipod).. heheh
06:54:51cool_walking_I saw something about an "action API" (?) that means you just map each button once. I think there was a commit not too long ago porting a couple of plugins to it.
06:55:13syn4psethat would be dandy. unless there's a BUTTON_FOO FAQ
06:56:25syn4psei might be able to use rockblox.c #define lines... i have similar keypresses (up, down, left, right, quit)
06:56:30cool_walking_err, button *macros*, not API.. that's a seperate thing.
06:56:43cool_walking_*action macros
06:57:38syn4psei'm going to try and get into it after the weekend. i have a friend coming into town and i'll be wasted. hopefully not too wasted, but out of coding commission.
06:57:56syn4psehaven't seen him in a few years.
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06:59:56syn4pseso, i get the defines in, scale the map (the rest is easy to scale, coded for that)... what's next? do i do an emulation on each architecture?
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07:00:46syn4psesorry, but i haven't much experience coding for more than one platform. :D
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07:00:56cool_walking_There's a wiki page on this somewhere...
07:01:40cool_walking_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoVerifyPlugins
07:01:58syn4psethank you
07:04:50syn4pseok that's bookmarked...
07:05:14syn4psei appreciate your help. gotta hit the hay.
07:05:21cool_walking_cya
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07:08:01nargsterHello, I was wondering if there's some sort of plugin to randomize/rotate themes within Rockbox? I've been googling and forum hunting, and either my searching is terrible or I can't find any information on it, probably a mixture of both :)
07:08:53scorchenargster: nope
07:09:05nargsterAhh, thanks !
07:09:31nargsterSaved me another few hours of searching before giving up, hehe
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07:59:19MongaMake gigabeat S hax plz.
07:59:44scorcheit is being worked on
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08:00:48Mongawurk faster plz.
08:01:36scorcheu wurk too plz ;)
08:01:44MongaLol I'm joking.
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08:29:08markunMonga: btw, the Gigabeat S is being refered to as "the beast" in here :)
08:29:47MongaLol.
08:29:56MongaIt will be pretty sick when it's done.
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08:35:28GodEatermine's been ill all over the desk in fact
08:36:01MongaLol, bit like my PSP.
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08:39:18CharlieChey guys. how do you get permission to contribute a theme in the wps gallery?
08:40:32GodEateryou ask here
08:40:58CharlieCok. can i get permission?
08:41:13GodEaterwhat's your wiki name ?
08:41:18CharlieCCharlieCatura
08:41:28GodEaterone second
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08:42:10CharlieCcool!
08:42:24CharlieCawesome. thanks a lot!
08:42:39GodEaternp
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09:08:02*petur gets a mail from A-Data and gives up on them
09:08:51LinusNtell me
09:09:23peturI asked why the card refuses the powermanagement setting when it says it supports it. Their answer: RMA number
09:10:48*petur discovered why the cards he tried yesterday didn't work: windows formatted them FAT16 :/
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09:18:45amiconnpetur: Is it <512MB?
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09:20:46petursome might
09:20:55peturmost should be 512MB
09:21:22peturI'll try again this noon - I modified the bootloader to print the interesting values
09:21:47amiconn512MB cards are usually <512MB
09:22:01amiconn(the old decimal vs. binary problem)
09:22:04peturyes, they are 512000000
09:22:37amiconnIirc windows even refuses to format a <512MB partition as fat32
09:22:59amiconnYou could enable fat16 support in rockbox
09:23:09peturindeed, I used gparted (under ubuntu) and it happily formatted one to FAT32 :)
09:23:58amiconnYou would also need a fat16 enabled bootloader then
09:24:31*petur hugs gui tools - no need to read tons of man pages to use cryptic commandline options
09:25:35peturamiconn: I now print [0,82,83] in the bootloader - no need to even install rockbox :)
09:25:39amiconnIn case you're experimenting with very small cards - partitions < 32MB cannot be formatted as fat32
09:25:49*GodEater finds that the latest version of rbutilqt still refuses to work for him
09:26:06peturno use in supporting such small cards - even 512MB is too small
09:26:59amiconnNot for normal operation, but you might want to use them for collecting cf identify info
09:28:27peturamiconn: did you see my table in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide ? already found two cards that identify as 848A
09:29:49linuxstbfat32format.exe might also be helpful - http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
09:30:18GodEaterassuming the cards all use a 512 byte sector size
09:30:24peturwell as I said, gparted did the job fine (nice tool btw)
09:30:49amiconnThe >=32MB limit is due to how the fat standard specifies the detection of fat12 <-> fat16 <-> fat32
09:31:52amiconnfat32 partitions *must* have at least 65525 clusters, and a cluster is at least 1 sector
09:33:28*petur is aware of large parts of the FAT spec ;)
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09:34:45peturhi
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09:46:59Zagoramiconn: that still doesn't mean small partitions cannot be formatted fat32. only that they shouldn't. linux both formats and mounts them fine, which is nice for testing.
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09:58:33JamPSlinux doesn't do a very good job when filling ntfs
09:59:40JamPSstill looks bad after many defrags
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10:11:44markunlooks bad in what way? fragmented?
10:12:22ZagorJamPS: not surprising since ntfs is very hidden black magic. it took many years to even get safe writing.
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10:30:25pondlife(for the logs) Nico_P: You may want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 - as you feared, it's r16425 that broke natural playback
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10:33:07GodEaterhow exactly is it broken ?
10:33:46pondlifeGodEater: Playing an album larger than the buffer gets confused when rebuffering takes place
10:33:54pondlife100% reproducible in the H300 sim
10:34:29pondlifeI'm going to retest with current SVN in case Lear and jhMikeS have fixed it
10:34:52GodEaterI don't think I have any albums that large
10:35:03pondlifeTry a 32MB build?
10:36:13pondlifeI think it's the bit in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16424&r2=16425 at line 1991/2007 that's at fault, but I'm not certain
10:44:41amiconnLinusN: Did you see my question in the logs?
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10:47:15LinusNamiconn: regarding the TEA1211?
10:47:20amiconnyes
10:48:14LinusNi'll see if i find anything next time i look at the rom
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11:03:27Nico_Ppondlife: I'll try iy out
11:03:36Nico_Ps/iy/it
11:03:40pondlifeTry what out?
11:03:54*pondlife checks logs
11:03:55Nico_Pthe playback bug
11:04:06Nico_PI mean I'll try reproducing it
11:04:18pondlifeDid you see my report on FlySpray?
11:04:36Nico_Pon FS #8455 ?
11:04:38pondlifeYes
11:04:45pondlifeIt's definitely r16425
11:05:41pondlifeIn http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=16424&r2=16425, why did you move the /* Update the playlist */ bit inside the auto_dir_skip test?
11:06:05pondlifei.e. if (auto_dir_skip || !automatic_skip) became if (auto_dir_skip)
11:06:17dionoeaLinusN: what's the prefered method to debug the ipod serial driver patch? Using Logf? Or is debug over USB serial usable?
11:06:55pondlifeThat's a bit of code that I still can't get my head round... so any mass of comments in there would be useful!
11:07:05LinusNdionoea: good question, i have so far used special hacks in the debug menu
11:07:35LinusNi have yet to find out how to make transmission work... :-(
11:08:31Nico_Ppondlife: because now in a manual skip, the playlist is updated in audio_skip
11:08:44pondlifeAh, ok
11:08:58pondlifeI still don't see why automatic_skip is needed.
11:09:01dionoeaLinusN: hum ok.
11:09:05pondlifeI mean, conceptually
11:09:23pondlifeA track change is a track change.
11:10:07Nico_Pmanual skips don't have the "transition window" where the codec is one track ahead of the PCM output
11:10:37pondlifeSo, the variable might be better of refactored as "in_transition_window" ?
11:11:01Nico_Pwell there are other differences, but of course it would be nice to be able to get rid of them
11:11:20amiconnLinusN: So atm only receiving works? (still sufficient for a remote afaiu)
11:11:37Nico_Pfor example the playlist index isn't updated at the same time in a manual or an automatic skip
11:11:41LinusNamiconn: correct
11:12:05LinusNamiconn: however, many ipod remotes require tx and rx
11:12:36pondlifeNico_P: All skips consist of two parts; the transition starts, then the WPS changes, no?
11:12:56Nico_Pno. in manual skips the WPS is updated before anything happens
11:13:13Nico_Psee audio_skip
11:13:39Nico_Pthis is the reason for that damn wps_offset
11:13:57pondlifeYes, but that's purely a visual thing
11:14:09Nico_Pwaiting for the track to have effectively changed before updating the WPS would make it very unresponsive
11:14:15JamPSiZagor, yea :/ too bad fat32 doesn't support >2GB files.
11:14:20rasherLinusN: might this be useful for the sansa as well, or is this not PP-related?
11:14:27pondlifeNico_P: Indeed.
11:14:30JamPSiand ext2/3 is not defragmentable in windows
11:14:43LinusNrasher: i don't know if the tx issue is pp related or not
11:14:49Nico_Ppondlife: yeah, wps_offset is mainly visual, but it's the cause of the desync that used to happen
11:14:54pondlifeI just feel that the playback logic shouldn't need to vary.
11:15:20rasherLinusN: I meant the serial driver itself. Is it strictly an Ipod thing, or part of the PP?
11:15:23Nico_PI agree on the concept. it's just that the code is so complex that in practice it has to be different
11:15:30ZagorJamPSi: stop using windows :)
11:15:33LinusNrasher: the serial driver is pp
11:15:44pondlifeI'd hope that could result in simplification ;)
11:16:27Nico_Pyeah, what I'd like to do is take a step backwards and try redesigning the whole thing
11:16:58ZagorJamPSi: on a more serious note, ext2 doesn't normally need defragmentation
11:17:10Nico_P(I said I'd *like* to do it. I didn't make any promises ;) )
11:18:13pondlifehehe
11:18:21pondlifeI'd like to too...
11:18:41pondlife...but chances of a week off dedicated to hacking are slim.
11:18:48Nico_Pindeed
11:19:06crashd__i'm getting rockbox hanging on some mp4/aac files, what's the best way to report the bug?
11:19:17Nico_Pdo you think the bug is serious enough that I should revert r16425 until I fix it?
11:19:38pondlifeNo
11:19:45pondlifeBest to progress
11:19:55LinusNcrashd__: flyspray, and make sure you let the developers have a track to test with
11:20:07crashd__yeah, thought as much, cheers linus
11:20:14pondlifeDo you have any idea why this might happen? I mean, rebuffering shouldn't impact playback...
11:20:42Nico_Pno idea right now. I haven't even see the issue occur.
11:21:01pondlifeOK, well have a go - just play a long-ish album naturally
11:21:07pondlifeDon't skip or even leave the WPS
11:21:13Nico_Poh
11:21:27Nico_Pcan't I skip to reach the end of the buffered part?
11:21:31pondlifeMaybe
11:21:42Nico_Pno wonder I never saw it, I never use my player for very long these days
11:21:42pondlifeI tried that and it didn't reproduce though
11:21:48LinusNhow about lowering the size of the audio buffer?
11:21:55pondlifeGood idea
11:21:57Nico_Pyeah I guess I should try that
11:22:09pondlifeI've only been able to repro it nicely on the sim
11:22:29pondlifeI've not done enough test runs on target
11:22:32Nico_Pwith letting the tracks play without skipping?
11:22:50pondlifeYes
11:22:59Nico_Pok, I'll try with a small audio buffer
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11:23:30pixelmaI found yesterday that it doesn't happen in every folder that is larger than audio buffer (well one album played fine). And it skipped as much tracks ahead in the playlist as the track count in the "view buffering thread" screen told me would be there after rebuffering
11:24:06pixelma^in the three others where it happened on my c200
11:24:17pondlifeThat's what I see on H300 target
11:24:26pondlifeA bit intermittent too
11:24:42pondlifeBut on sim, it's been remarkably consistent
11:24:50pixelmaas many too :)
11:25:16pondlifeMind you, my sim is running over a network and has very slow test_disk results; I suppose that might skew things
11:27:45Nico_PLinusN: how do I change the buffer size?
11:28:48pixelmathese were the same folders I got the "skip 3rd track" problem before but I didn't listen a lot so far and can't tell for sure (and I also don't know if it tells something)
11:30:30pondlifeNico_P: On the sim, it's defined in buffer.c
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11:31:12pondlifeSomewhere there's a #define MEM
11:31:20Nico_PI can't find that one
11:32:17pondlifeChange the unsigned char audiobuffer definition...
11:32:31amiconnpetur: I'm thinking about replacing the microdrive im my Mini with a CF card (16GB or more). No final decision yet
11:32:41peturhehe
11:32:55peturand you were wondering why we were doing it....
11:32:57pondlifeNico_P: In firmware/buffer.c
11:33:27amiconnpetur: I'm still wondering. You're giving up capacity. The mini would have 4x the capacity as it has now
11:34:11amiconnI would also just slap in a microdrive if that would be available in hiogher capacities
11:34:25peturit is not about capacity, it is about future and availability, because the 50pin HDD is hard to find
11:35:05peturand for me, it is shock resistance when recording...
11:36:14Nico_Ppondlife: I was referring to the MEM #define, but I guess I'll just replace it with a value
11:36:34pondlifeI suspect MEM is in an lds somewhere
11:36:42pondlifeBut I just set that to 5MB
11:37:17pondlifeSorry, 4MB
11:40:20LinusNpondlife: try adjusting MEMORYSIZE in the generated makefile
11:41:29pondlifeProblem is, setting MEM to <= 8 might change the behaviour of buffering..
11:41:57LinusNthen don't do that :-)
11:42:35pondlifeI didn't :-)
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11:45:27pondlifeBagder: Could the various SVN tables on the website (last 4 weeks etc.) all have the SVN revision number added? It enables use of CTRL-F to find a revision easily.
11:45:43pondlifeOr is that Zagor's domain?
11:46:24*linuxstb requests that the SVN revision link to (e.g.) http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=16149
11:46:40pondlifeThat would be nice too
11:47:11Zagorpondlife: it's my job, since I modified bagders' script :)
11:47:20Zagorlinuxstb: sure
11:47:21pondlifehehe, that'll teach you
11:47:49pondlifeNico_P: First rebuffering with SVN code and a small buffer - no problem :(
11:47:59pondlifeI'll go back to a full size buffer
11:53:42gevaertslinuxstb: did you manage to test the usb error-rate on your ipods yesterday ?
11:53:56linuxstbgevaerts: No, but I can do that today - I'm "working from home"...
11:54:29*linuxstb svn updates and compiles
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12:15:40*GodEater notes we have our first support request from a Motorola ROKR E2 user
12:17:02rasherFancy. Hard to support when we know that it's heavily patched
12:17:11GodEaterindeed
12:17:22GodEaterand we've not heard much from blackhawk in months
12:18:51pondlifeDoesn't the plain SVN sim work on any SDL target now? The threading was sorted - what else needed patching? Keymap?
12:24:33*GodEater notes there is apparently a port of SDL to Symbian S60
12:27:34Bagderthe svn pages are now all using the same svnlog script
12:28:02pondlifeNico_P: Current SVN just failed, so the problem is still there
12:28:13pondlifeBagder: Thanks
12:29:00Nico_PBagder: nice!
12:29:29Nico_PBagder: would it be possible to detect rev numbers in commit messages, like for FS tasks?
12:29:58Bagdersure...
12:32:34ZagorNico_P: done
12:34:08pondlifeBagder: One more minor suggestion - could the "since Aug 2006" page be changed to "last 12 months" ?
12:34:29pixelmaZagor: how do I use that (syntax)?
12:34:31Nico_PZagor: when will it take effect in the "last 4 weeks" page?
12:34:41pondlifeSeems entirely arbitrary at the moment. but I use it more than the others.
12:34:45ZagorNico_P: as soon as the cronjobs update that page
12:34:55Nico_Phow often is that?
12:34:58pondlifeNico_P: It's working for me
12:35:09Zagorpixelma: simply mention r123293 in the message and it will be linked
12:35:31pondlifeAh, you mean the rXXXX
12:35:35Nico_Pyes
12:35:41*pondlife is slow
12:35:48pixelmaok, thanks
12:36:10pondlifeNico_P: Any luck in reproducing yet?
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12:36:33Nico_Ppondlife: I've been busy with something else
12:36:41pondlifeNo worries
12:37:19ZagorNico_P: peeking into bagder's crontab they're not built very often. but if we ask nicely maybe he'll run it manually.
12:37:29Bagderjust did
12:37:33Zagorah
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12:37:47Nico_Pindeed :)
12:37:53BagderI'll change the "since aug 1st 2006" to "last 12 months" too
12:39:01BagderZagor: do you change the name of the link on the front page?
12:39:16Bagderhm, the actual url should probably change too :-)
12:39:58Zagorsince-12months.html ?
12:40:05Bagdersounds fine, yes
12:40:13Zagorupdated
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12:41:55devurandomYay, I've got an iBrick, it seems. :)
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12:43:36devurandomAfter the battery has emptied, it doesn't boot anymore. Doesn't even start the loading screen...
12:43:44devurandoms/loading/recharging/
12:43:53linuxstbTried resetting it? (MENU+SELECT)
12:44:04devurandomWow... My saviour. :)
12:44:16devurandomCool, thanks.
12:45:34devurandomWhat could cause this? It didn't boot on pressing menu, nor did it react on plugging into a PC or the socket (wall-).
12:46:05devurandomHow do you call electrical sockets in the wall in english?
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12:46:44GodEater"electrical sockets" ? :)
12:46:53devurandomOk. :)
12:51:44devurandomDid anyone try compiling RockBox with a GCC 4.2.3 (or even a 4.3.0_pre)?
12:52:25devurandomAnd is there interest to fix any GCC warnings?
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12:55:02pondlifeBagder: I'm not quite sure that "Commits since 12 months back" is good English... might just be me though.
12:55:19pondlife"4 weeks back" too, of course
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12:55:31GodEater"Commits from the last 12 months"
12:55:42pondlife"Commits in the past 12 months"
12:55:47GodEateror that
12:55:47pondlifetoo slow
12:56:01*devurandom votes for the last...
12:56:46devurandomWould "from" be correct? My feeling says no, but then I am not native anyway...
12:57:07*GodEater is a native english speaker and thinks it's fine
12:57:11GodEaterbut pondlife's is fine too
12:57:39devurandomGood. Something more I can add to my this-is-good feeling.
12:57:47codesquid"commits during the past 12 months"
12:58:25desowincan't it say 'last year' instead of '12 months'?
12:58:44ze'from' and 'during' both sound somehow sloppier to me
12:59:11GodEater"Commits made during the past 12 months" :D
12:59:25desowin"commits since last year"?
12:59:28zei may be more inclined to 'within'
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13:00:03GodEatersince would normally be used with a specific date
13:00:39GodEaterand "last year" implies the atomic year (i.e. 2007 if you're in 2008), rather than a period of one year (i.e. the previous 12 months)
13:00:55GodEaterat least to me
13:00:59zeyeah
13:01:06GodEaterother native speakers may disagree
13:02:07pixelmaI agree as non-native speaker :)
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13:02:35GodEaterhehe
13:06:31linuxstbI disagree... "last year" can mean lots of things (last 12 months, last calendar year, last financial or academic year etc) depending on context. In our context, I would take it to mean last 12 months.
13:07:15*linuxstb re-reads and changes his mind - "since last year" is wrong, "during last year" is right...
13:07:32GodEater"during the last year" would be better still
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13:55:37amiconnpetur: Could you check the hdd type of your H10 pure? My guess is that it's a ST650211FX
13:56:10petursure, but I don't have my H10 with me here...
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14:25:39BHXI have an 80GB iPod and I'm having some trouble with it, can anyone help?
14:25:54dionoeacan you describe the trouble you're having?
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14:27:36LambdaCalculus37LinusN: Ping!
14:27:51BHXsure, when i try and update the database it manages to get a certain point (usually around 1500 files) and then stops. There is still disk activity but nothing happens. I've tried leaving it for ages but it's still frozen. Also, I can see the mp3s in the File viewer but when I try to play them from there, it'll say that there is no file in the WPS.
14:38:19LinusNLambdaCalculus37: pong
14:39:40LambdaCalculus37LinusN: Question for you: a buddy of mine has Rockbox running on his iriver H120. He called me last night saying that he's getting an "ATA -32 error" now, and Rockbox won't boot. Any advice?
14:39:54LambdaCalculus37LinusN: Llorean had told me earlier you were the man to ask about this.
14:40:09LinusNdid he by any chance use it in a damp environment?
14:40:57LambdaCalculus37LinusN: It was raining this week in New York, so that may be a possibility. But he keeps his iriver in a leather keep case at all times.
14:41:28LambdaCalculus37Actually, he does take it in with him to the gym all the time.
14:41:51LinusNanyway, he might be able to run the original firmware
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14:42:29LinusNrockbox has a very rigid test that exercises the ATA registers, and the -32 means that the register test fails
14:42:51LinusNit turns out that the ata often works just fine even when that test fails
14:42:57BHXdionoea?
14:43:12LinusNso he might be able to flash a new bootloader without the register test
14:44:24LambdaCalculus37LinusN: I was thinking of flashing Bootloader v7-pre4 to his iriver so that he can have Rockbox running permanently in flash.
14:44:32dionoeaBHX: i don't know anything about the database but other people here might. Sorry.
14:44:46LinusNLambdaCalculus37: i believe that also has the register test
14:45:08BHXdionoea: Thanks anyway :)
14:45:52bluebrotherBHX: maybe a file has a broken tag and crashed the database.
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14:46:31bluebrotheryou could check the database screen in the debug menu and check if it's stopping at the same file all the time. If yes, try to remove that file temporarily and check if it helps
14:46:38LambdaCalculus37LinusN: One other thing that I had mentioned to Llorean (and you can see this in the logs) is that he was complaining that his filesystem was not measuring his free disk space properly; under Windows it shows 7.1GB free, but under Rockbox, it shows a jumble of random characters.
14:46:52BHXbluebrother: I'll try that now, thanks
14:47:04LinusNLambdaCalculus37: that's interesting
14:47:08LambdaCalculus37I thought at first that his hard drive may have been failing.
14:47:15bluebrotherbut I'm not really familiar with the database, so I can't tell you more
14:47:27JamPSiany news on usb support on portalplayer?
14:47:44LambdaCalculus37JamPSi: gevaerts is the man to ask about progress.
14:47:57LinusNLambdaCalculus37: that may be because there is garbage in the fsinfo structure
14:48:17LambdaCalculus37So I'll have to perform a filesystem check.
14:48:33BHXbluebrother: i take it's in Debug\View Database info?
14:48:58LambdaCalculus37He's had that H120 since May of last year, but he doesn't own a PC of his own at all, so he takes it around to other people's PCs to get CDs ripped and into it.
14:49:24LambdaCalculus37I've been about the only one helping him keep it up to date and working right.
14:49:27bluebrotherBHX: yes.
14:49:56BHXbluebrother: and what am I looking for
14:50:06BHXbluebrother: I really appreciate the help
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14:54:05JamPSiLambdaCalculus37, he's always busy or something :P
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14:54:36pixelmaLinusN, LambdaCalculus37: didn't TiMiD[FD] say he gets a ATA error -32 too with his H100 and has a special build running to circumvent this (but no other problems). I think he's mentioned it not too long ago here...
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14:55:31LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Not sure.
14:56:00gevaertsJamPSi: current status is that it works well on some players, less so on others.
14:57:57BHXbluebrother: just restarted my iPod, check some other songs... mp3s seem to work now, m4a's and FLACs don't
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14:59:31gevaertsJamPSi: It looks like PP5020 works well, PP5022 has signal quality issues (we think, another possibility is that it's not CPU related but something else). That means it might work well on some USB ports but not on others. This seems to be more of a problem at high-speed.
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15:00:50gevaertsJamPSi: another problem is that there seems to be a bug in the flash driver on sansa that only shows when using USB (especially at high speed). This causes occasional data corruption on write.
15:02:43gevaertsJamPSi: third issue is vista and mac osx support. It might work, or it might not, and if it doesn't the problems might be caused by the signal quality issues I mentionned. I didn't get reports on this since my latest SCSI fixes from last night
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15:02:54bluebrotherBHX: you could try if the files work from the file browser.
15:03:01pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: starting here http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20070712#08:25:29
15:03:04bluebrotherbut I got to leave now ... good luck
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15:03:41*gevaerts hopes that this summary is complete
15:06:22LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Looks like I've got to roll up my sleeves and do the same for my friend. :)
15:06:51pixelmadoesn't sound like "the right" solution though
15:09:09BHXso if i delete the file that's causing my database to crash, then re-initialize it, it should work?
15:09:22LambdaCalculus37My other option was to flash bootloader V7-Pre4 to his H120 and flash Rockbox to it for good.
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15:15:01BHXthanks all for the help :) think it's almost fixed
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15:36:47barrywardellgevaerts: I just tried USB on H10 since your SCSI commit. On my mac, I still don't get the drive appering. Even worse, now when I unplug my H10, I get the mac equivalent of the BSOD
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15:38:36*GodEater loves the fact that these OS vendors clearly never tested their products with faulty USB devices
15:38:37barrywardellgevaerts: it also no longer works on linux
15:39:15GodEaterdoesn't cause a kernel panic though I hope
15:40:41gevaertsbarrywardell: that's interesting. can you enable logf for usb_storage.c and get the output for both macosx and linux ?
15:40:42barrywardellgevaerts: here's my dmesg http://pastebin.com/m2614fdcb
15:40:49barrywardellGodEater: nope, thankfully
15:42:19barrywardellgevaerts: OK, enabling logf now. I'll have results in a minute
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15:44:46LambdaCalculus37GodEater: I performed the disk speed test and USB performance tests on my iPod video last night.
15:44:58LambdaCalculus37I didn't get a chance to perform the write test on it yet, though.
15:46:33gevaertsbarrywardell: the dmesg seems to point to general large-packet issues. Is your tree up to date? I would expect this kind of problem between r16448 and r16451
15:47:14GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: did you get negative numbers in the disk speed test like I did ?
15:47:49LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Nope. Here's my results: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed
15:48:05barrywardellgevaerts: no, I just did an svn up and linux is working again now
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15:49:08LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Paging Mr. pondlife...
15:49:15gevaertsbarrywardell: the issue seems to be that the controller doesn't do high speed properly if the CPU is not boosted. I moved the boosting from usb_storage to the driver, and forgot to commit the driver changes in r16448 so it wasn't boosted any more.
15:49:24barrywardellgevaerts: my mac still crashes on disconnect though
15:49:44pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Mr. pondlife at the red phone
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15:50:45barrywardellgevaerts: here's the logfdump with my mac http://pastebin.com/m5555a0a3
15:50:46gevaertsbarrywardell: can you send logf and dmesg output for that (or is it crashed too hard for that ?)
15:51:37barrywardellI get the "hold power button to shut down" screen on my mac so too far gone for dmesg
15:51:39LambdaCalculus37pondlife: r16452 is still misbehaving with playing albums.
15:51:50pondlifeIndeed it is
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15:52:01pondlifeDid you see my FlySpray update?
15:52:18LambdaCalculus37Currently, I'm listening to one album, only to have it jump five tracks ahead after Track 5 was over.
15:52:26LambdaCalculus37pondlife: No, not yet.
15:52:42pondlifeI'm certain it's r16425 that broke it
15:52:51pondlifeI'm far from certain why!
15:52:54barrywardellgevaerts: I can get a crash report when I start up again though
15:53:05LambdaCalculus37pondlife: What was the FS# again?
15:53:21LambdaCalculus37I forgot to set it to notify me of changes. :)
15:53:34*gevaerts looks stuff up in the SCSI specs
15:53:41pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455
15:53:50barrywardellgevaerts: http://pastebin.com/m5a577cd6
15:54:13barrywardellgevaerts: the problem definitely started with r16448
15:54:21*barrywardell has got to go now
15:55:23gevaertsbarrywardell: if you have some time, try removing the usb_drv_stall() on line 571 in usb_storage.c
15:55:45barrywardelldon't have time now, but I will do when i get a chance
15:55:59gevaertsok
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15:57:12LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Okay, now I'll get any future notifications with FS #8455.
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16:06:44BigBambiLlorean: I didn't know the forum software had a (dubious) sense of humour :)
16:06:57BigBambiCheck out my current post count: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1525
16:07:08*BigBambi considers retiring
16:07:27LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: d00Dz, U r 2 l337! :P
16:08:00BigBambiI don't want to make any more posts now
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16:19:49pixelmaBigBambi: leet! :)
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16:28:29low_lightgevaerts: since you like trying risky things on you c240, perhaps you want to experiment with using the dma engine for sd read/writes?
16:28:47low_lightI have the disassembly
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16:33:46gevaertslow_light: "like" might not be the right word, but I'm confident that I can restore it. I'm not good (read: bad) at reading assembly though.
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16:42:15gevaertsIs there a way to force a struct to be packed, two-byte aligned (so the shorts inside work properly) without having sizeof() round up ?
16:44:45Nico_Pother than with the packed attribute?
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16:45:31gevaertsThey now have __attribute__ ((packed,aligned(2)));, and this makes sizeof() return 10 for what is actually a 9-byte struct
16:46:05Domonokyif you force a struct to be xxx-aligned, the size of it will go up, because there are empty spaces in the struct.. so not much you can do... (only reordering the struct can help)
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16:46:39amiconnThe struct is packed internally. It's just padded at the end
16:46:55amiconnAnd gcc spmetimes *is* nasty
16:47:21gevaertsDomonoky: the USB structs (where I have the problem) are aligned properly ( I guess the spec writers thought of this issue), but if I don't ask gcc tho align them it places them (sometimes) at odd addresses.
16:48:25amiconnWell, you could use the 'unaligned' attribute instead of aligning them, but that increases code size and decreases performance
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16:48:35*gevaerts could add a "fake" char end_of_struct to them and use offsetof(), but that's as nasty as what gcc does
16:49:21amiconnNote that I didn't try 'unaligned' so far. Maybe another gcc bug will pop up...
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16:49:40amiconn(wouldn't surprise me)
16:50:06gevaertsamiconn: so do I just put __attribute__ ((packed,unaligned)) there ?
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16:52:50amiconnhmm, it's not in the docs
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16:53:38gevaertsThat gives warning: ‘unaligned’ attribute directive ignored
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16:56:10pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Could you try a playback patch?
16:56:21pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: http://www.pastebin.ca/923453
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16:58:44LambdaCalculus37pondlife: I'll set my laptop up at my lunchtime and try it out. That'll be around 12:30 PM GMT -5.
16:59:06pondlifeOK, whenever
16:59:16pondlifeI'll check the logs
16:59:29LambdaCalculus37My SVN table is at r16452. Will the patch still apply?
16:59:49pondlifeNot sure, it's against 16454
16:59:59amiconngevaerts: Iiuc, doing what you want is possible, but somewhat complicated
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17:01:04gevaertsamiconn: maybe I can put the __attribute__(aligned(2)) in the variable declaration and use sizeof(struct whatever)
17:01:13LambdaCalculus37pondlife: I'll try it. If not, I'll check out r16454 from the trunk and try it tonight. The diff is for /apps/plugins/SOURCES, correct?
17:01:31pondlifeJust /apps
17:01:43pondlifeOops
17:01:47amiconnWhat you need to do (as I understand it): * remove the aligned(2) from those structs. * Wherever a 'short' or 'int' element of these structs is accessed via a pointer, that pointer has to be declared with the __packed modifier (not attribute)
17:01:50pondlifeI accidentally enabled test_disk !
17:02:07amiconngevaerts: That should work too...
17:02:12LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Don't worry about it. :)
17:02:31LambdaCalculus37I've already used test_disk to get some disk speed measurements for GodEater and barrywardell.
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17:02:48pondlifeWell, the patch might not apply then...!
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17:03:29amiconngevaerts: E.g. if "usb_string_iSerial" is unaligned, you would need to declare "p" within "set_serial_descriptor()" as:
17:03:33low_lightgevaerts: I added a comment to FS #8663 with my dma read/write disassembly (no guarantee that it's correct)
17:03:34LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Want to fix it quickly?
17:03:46amiconn__packed short* p = ...
17:04:00pondlifeJust chop the first bit off when you paste...
17:04:18pondlifeIt's the /apps/playback.c bit you want
17:04:49LambdaCalculus37Start from line 11 then, am I correct?
17:04:55*amiconn has most test_* plugins enabled in all his builds
17:05:07pondlifeLambdaCalculus37: Unlucky line 13
17:05:38pondlifehttp://www.pastebin.ca/923462
17:05:52*pondlife forgot you could edit inside pastebin
17:07:12gevaertsamiconn: I guess both ways are equaly error-prone (i.e. it's equally easy to forget one variable somewhere). I'll try my idea first.
17:07:17LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Got it. Let me go fetch a copy of Notepad2.
17:07:28*LambdaCalculus37 is NOT using Notepad to copy/paste the patch
17:07:33pondlifeWordpad?
17:07:45pondlifeThat will do the line-endings correctly, I believe
17:07:58amiconnNo it won't
17:08:07pondlifeAh, no.. just adding them
17:08:12LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Already tried Wordpad. Doesn't work.
17:08:18amiconnIt can read lf-only, but will convert to crlf when saving
17:08:21pondlifedos2unix -U
17:08:42LambdaCalculus37pondlife: This is a work PC, so my options are pretty limited.
17:08:45*amiconn recommends ConTEXT or Notepad++
17:09:05GodEaterDomonoky: around ?
17:09:29LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I was thinking of Notepad2 because it's easy to conceal from the "idiots" here at my job.
17:09:32*Domonoky blinks... :-)
17:09:36pondlifeWordpad has "Text Document" and "Text Document - MS-DOS Format" as save options. Wonder what the difference is
17:09:49GodEaterDomonoky: did you see I was having problems with rbutil this morning ?
17:09:59scorche|shLambdaCalculus37: notepad2 is nice and very lightweight :)
17:10:00pondlifeNotepad++ is best though, IMHO
17:10:07Domonokynope... *goes to the logs*...
17:10:09amiconnCodepage, most probably
17:10:13GodEaterDomonoky: don't bother
17:10:15*gevaerts doesn't want anything that isn't vi-based
17:10:16GodEaterI didn't go into detail
17:10:27GodEateris the idea that you ALWAYS run rbutil as root ?
17:10:41GodEater(or Administrator if in Windows)
17:10:41scorche|shnotepad++ is a bit better for more complex processes, but if you want a simple notepad without much fluff, go with notepad2 :)
17:11:08DomonokyGodEater: thats not really the idea, but might be required for ipod/sansapatcher..
17:11:26GodEaterDomonoky: then I'm stumped
17:11:39GodEatereverytime I run rbutil up, it says "Invalid configuration"
17:11:44GodEaterand launches the config window
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17:11:56GodEaterwhich I then alter to meet my system's parameters
17:11:59GodEaterclick ok
17:12:12GodEaterand the "Invalid configuration" box just pops straight back up again
17:12:24Domonokyit seams it cant create the user settings.. :-/
17:12:34GodEaterI don't understand why
17:13:15Domonokyi already heard others report this, but i dont know why this should fail..
17:13:35GodEaterannoyingly of course - I've just run it now, and it came up fine
17:13:38GodEatergrrrr
17:13:42LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Got the code. To verify, this is patching the SOURCES file, right?
17:13:49pondlifeNo
17:13:53pondlifeplayback.c
17:15:20*LambdaCalculus37 makes the patch playback.diff
17:15:51LambdaCalculus37pondlife: If the patch works, want me to post it to the tracker?
17:16:04pondlifeNo
17:16:12pondlifeIf it works I'll probably just commit it
17:16:29LambdaCalculus37Okay.
17:16:32pondlifeThe chance is that it won't make any difference ;)
17:17:56DomonokyGodEater: i just found a way to repoduze the problem... *goes investigating*
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17:18:06GodEatergood luck
17:18:41pixelmapondlife: want me to test too?
17:19:08pondlifePlease, if you could. It's slow work the way I'm testing.
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17:19:43pondlifeCheck that manual skipping during buffering doesn't get confused
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17:25:03LambdaCalculus37pondlife: Yes, sir! :)
17:25:07DomonokyGodEater: did you really set the configuration correctly before ? for example if you only select a device and forget the mountpoint, it will not be happy with your config..
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17:26:46GodEaterDomonoky: I both set the device, the mountpoint, checked no proxy was set...
17:26:55GodEaterI went through ALL the config tabs to make sure they were right.
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17:27:48pondlifeLambdaCalculus37, pixelma: Don't worry.. the patch makes no difference!
17:27:49Domonokyhm.. then i cant really reproduce it.. :-/
17:29:13GodEaterDomonoky: if I come up with a recipe for it, I'll let you know
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17:49:47pixelmapondlife: confirmed :\
17:50:35pondlifeIt was slightly neater code...
17:51:08pondlifeI'm trying something else now, but won't waste your time until I've done a play through
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17:57:10gevaertslow_light: looks like nice weekend project. I fear that my assembly knowledge is still too low to really have a good chance at success though, so I won't mind if someone else gets to it first (I can still do tests in that case of course)
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17:58:30DA-LaptopHello... the dock that came with the gigabeatf, is it usable for anything when running rockbox?
17:58:38DA-LaptopOr if not, is there any work being done to make it usable?
17:59:58Beta2KIn what respect?
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18:00:24Beta2KIt charges mine :)
18:00:42Beta2KThe line-out works
18:01:05Beta2KSome mods and you can get digital output from it
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18:01:54DA-LaptopI normally just use USB for charging
18:01:55Beta2KYou could mod it to support USB2
18:02:03DA-LaptopSince I don't have the charger
18:02:11DA-Laptopthe guy I bought it from on ebay didn't send a charger
18:02:37Beta2KSo you don't have the power supply for the dock?
18:02:52DA-Laptopnope.
18:03:05DA-LaptopI thought maybe it could run on USB power.
18:03:11Beta2KThen you can't use the dock
18:03:18DA-Laptopmkay.
18:03:23DA-LaptopThen I'll throw it away.
18:03:23Beta2KUnfortunately no... :(
18:03:43Beta2KYou can get another power supply for it
18:03:45DA-LaptopIt's not like it's very important for me... USB does the trick, generally speaking.
18:03:51gevaertsDA-Laptop: Can't it use some generic power brick ?
18:03:58Beta2KBut it needs the PS to run
18:04:00DA-Laptopgevaerts: No idea
18:04:09DA-LaptopIt doesn't say voltage on it
18:04:24Beta2Kone sec I'll tell you...
18:04:54DA-LaptopMeh... I don't actually need another wall wart... I just thought it'd be nice if there was something special I could use it for, cleaning out old crap y'see, and came across it.
18:05:33DA-LaptopIf any of you want it, I can send it to ya.. just pay the shipping. :P
18:06:51gevaertsDA-Laptop: I wouldn't throw it away if I were you. From what I've heard, some devices don't charge properly over USB if the battery is really flat or something like that. I don't know if the gigabeat will have that kind of problem, but...
18:07:23Beta2K5v regulated supply
18:07:37Beta2K3amp (seems overkill)
18:07:45Beta2Kcenter pin posative
18:07:47DA-Laptopgevaerts: fine, I'll keep it, but I don't see any need for it
18:08:46Beta2KThe other use for the dock is if you have any files you put on the gigabeat with the OF you need to dock to get them bacl
18:08:48Beta2Kback
18:09:57DA-LaptopOF?
18:10:06Beta2Koriginal firmware
18:10:15*gevaerts is a packrat when it comes to this kind of thing
18:10:29DA-Laptopgevaerts:
18:10:30DA-LaptopSame here
18:10:36DA-LaptopBut I finally got around to cleaning out old shite
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18:10:48Beta2Khehehe
18:10:50DA-LaptopDumped tonnes of old shite
18:11:06Beta2KI still have C64's, TRS80'
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18:11:20DA-Laptophehe
18:11:26Beta2Ks, CoCo's, 8088, 286, 386 stuff
18:11:38Beta2KMonitors to go with them
18:11:48Beta2KKeyboards, multi-function cards
18:11:54Beta2KAll kinds of RAM
18:12:07Beta2K360k 5.25" disk drives
18:12:08Domonokythis old hardware is nice, but please stay on topic..
18:12:22*gevaerts doesn't use the spectrum emulator in rockbox because he has a real one
18:12:31LambdaCalculus37Beta2K: Unless you're porting Rockbox to them, stay on topic.
18:12:39Beta2KSorry
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18:13:45LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Still here?
18:14:20pixelmayes
18:14:52LambdaCalculus37Did pondlife's patch work?
18:15:00pondlifeNo
18:15:14pondlifeI've got a new one that looks better though
18:15:22pixelmait didn't (also in the logs ;) )
18:15:22pondlifeNeeds more testing yet here...
18:16:00LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Sorry, our network borked on us, and CGI:IRC doesn't even kindly inform me of a disconnection. ;)
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18:18:40Buschelamiconn: you've searched for me (yesterday)?
18:20:38amiconnI wanted to tell you that setting DCDC2 in pcf50605.c doesn't have any effect
18:21:08amiconnThere is only one DC-DC converter that is configured using DCDC1..DCDC4
18:21:12Buscheli know. just kept it for documentation.
18:21:31amiconnDCDC1 and DCDC2 just hold 2 different configurations for it
18:21:44amiconnWhich one is actually used is determined by a bit in DCDC4
18:21:46Buschelyes, you can configure the pcf to switch between both voltages
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18:22:28amiconnSo line 133 should be removed, as it does effectively nothing
18:24:03pondlifeLambdaCalculus37, pixelma: http://www.pastebin.ca/923552 fixes my problem on natural playback, but probably breaks manual skipping (and auto-dir change) badly....
18:24:12pondlifeI've got to go now, will look more later
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18:25:18Buschelamiconn: then you could also remove 128, 132 and 136. these configure the registers to the default −− unchanged voltages. at least for my 5.5G
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18:26:30amiconnI think those should stay. Setting defaults will become useful for true cold booting (if we ever manage to do that on PP)
18:27:15LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I'm going to try the new patch shortly. It might break playlists for me, since I have playlists that select from multiple albums.
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18:36:45Beta2KThinking of boot up, does anyone know why dual-boot on the Gigabeat doesn't work?
18:37:29Beta2KIs it a hardware limitation, or simply not codded yet, or broken at some point?
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18:41:43amiconnHmm, the TEA1211 cannot be connected to the pp i2c bus in the ipods
18:42:12amiconnIt has the same i2c address as the pcf50605
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18:46:44kkurbjunBeta2K: can you create a bug report for doom in the tracker
18:47:02kkurbjunare you using the official build, or something else?
18:47:04Beta2KI added to an existing one
18:47:26Beta2KIt seems to be a issue with all hardware
18:48:12kkurbjunwhat build are you using?
18:48:20kkurbjunand are there any patches?
18:48:32kkurbjunalso, what version of doom are you running?
18:49:00BigBambiBeta2K: Dual boot on gigabeat is pointless
18:49:14kkurbjuni.e shareware, doom1, doom2, freedoom...
18:49:28BigBambiSeeing as the OF can't use music transfered without Gigabeat room, and rockbox can't use music transferred via gigabeat room
18:49:40*BigBambi just realised he is forgetting USB OTG
18:49:46Beta2KB#8641 is the tracker #
18:49:58Beta2KI'm back in the OF right now to grab my music from it
18:50:07BigBambiSo not *quite* pointless
18:50:25kkurbjunBeta2K: I saw that, but I want to know your particular use case
18:50:30Beta2KI had just downloaded RB last night and Doom is Doom II
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18:50:40kkurbjunok, great
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18:51:02kkurbjunand you downloaded it from the main build area, or an unofficial build from teh forums?
18:51:27kkurbjunbtw, dual boot is just not coded yet, it's not a hardware limitation
18:51:52kkurbjunthat may come in the future once flash booting is complete for the gigabeat
18:52:03Beta2KI downloaded it via the auto-installer
18:52:29kkurbjunok, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
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18:53:22Beta2KFlash booting as in removing the linux loader all together?
18:53:23kkurbjunBeta2K, I just tried it on my gigabeat, no crash..
18:53:33Beta2KDid you try it in 90deg rotation?
18:53:37kkurbjunyep
18:53:46kkurbjunis this in the menu that you get the crash?
18:53:52Beta2KSometimes
18:53:57Beta2KAltho it takes longer at the menu
18:54:04Beta2KCrashes easier in teh game
18:54:45Beta2KAre you setting 90deg rotation in Doom or via the RB patch?
18:55:52kkurbjun90 rotation in doom
18:55:55kkurbjunnot the patch
18:55:55Beta2KOk
18:55:57Beta2KWeird
18:56:22Beta2KOnce I get my music back off mine I'll re-load RB and play with it some more
18:56:47kkurbjunyeah, if you can get an exact account of all settings that could be helpful in reproducing the problem
18:57:09kkurbjunalso the default.dfg file
18:57:47kkurbjunsettings in doom that is
18:57:57Beta2KOk
18:57:59kkurbjunI'm not too concerned about the other settings in rockbox
18:58:30kkurbjunthe flash booting would completely replace the linux loader
18:58:33kkurbjuninitially
18:59:05Beta2Kcool
18:59:05kkurbjunbut it can also make it easier to use the existing linux loader
18:59:21kkurbjunI should say it does currently replace the linux loader completely now
18:59:26kkurbjunrather than will
18:59:39Beta2KStill in testing I assume?
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19:00:42kkurbjunyes, right now it's using quite a bit of power when the gigabeat is shutdown, so some of the hardware is still not being setup right - some special hardware is needed in case there are problems since a bad flash will brick the gigabeat without it
19:01:24Beta2KWill any JTAG interface work, or does the Gigabeat require something special?
19:01:45kkurbjunany JTAG interface
19:01:52kkurbjunI used a Xilinx Parallel III
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19:02:14kkurbjunthere are some better ones that support some of the extrra control signals on the ARM procesors
19:02:27kkurbjunbut you can get by fine with a basic cable
19:03:01Beta2KHum
19:03:21Beta2KI only came across RB last night but it's peaked my interest
19:03:30pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: for me the patch also fixes usual playback but a manual track skip results in skipping 2 songs if it has to rebuffer...
19:03:50Beta2KGetting the functionality out of my gigabeat that I've always wanted it rather attractive
19:04:18Beta2Kis
19:04:24kkurbjunBeta2k there is a document on it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFJTAG
19:04:36kkurbjunif you are interested in it I would be glad to help
19:04:54kkurbjunit would be nice to have someone else that can to some real hardware debugging
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19:05:34Beta2KCool :)
19:06:14Beta2KMy first step right now is getting Apache updated on my machine so I can get SVN built and installed so I can download the tree and build a cross-compiler... :)
19:06:14kkurbjunI have the .gdbinit setup for it too which I haven't put in there yet if you decide to give it a shot
19:06:22LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Which platform did you try it on?
19:06:36pixelmamy c250
19:07:22LambdaCalculus37I tried it on my iPod video. Album playback works, as long as I don't try to skip tracks. If I do, it'll start jumping further than it should.
19:08:00LambdaCalculus37Gotta do something. Be back soon.
19:08:41kkurbjunbeta2k, if you have questions my email is in the wiki, or you can pm me on the forums
19:08:45kkurbjunI have to go
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19:50:45LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Ping!
19:51:13*LambdaCalculus37 noticed that plugging his iPod video into its wall charger made it think it was actually plugged into a PC
19:52:00*gevaerts wouldn't see the differende either
19:53:16gevaertsI'll think about how to solve this. Maybe get out of usb mode if no actual connection is made in a certain time ?
19:53:37gevaertsIn the meantime, holding "POWER_BUTTON" (whatever that is on ipod) should help
19:53:40amiconnHaha: LDR R7, =0x1337BEEF
19:53:42LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: That would work.
19:54:13*amiconn is disassembling diskmode a bit more
19:54:18LambdaCalculus37MENU+SELECT is power-on on the iPods, so holding MENU alone would work.
19:54:23gevaertsamiconn: so this one isn't dead I guess
19:54:39desowinheh, I've only saw 0xDEADBEEF so far, not of the 1337 one ;)
19:54:50*LambdaCalculus37 would like a little 0x1337BEEF, medium rare, please. :P
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19:55:56amiconnThere are other nice constants in there, e.g. 0xFACE0000
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19:57:24LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Is this from iPod Diskmode?
19:57:32amiconnyes
19:57:54LambdaCalculus37Someone at Apple was having fun, weren't they? :)
19:58:56gevaertsSo what do you pick if you need a magic number ? I would go for an easy to remember one any time
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20:00:06pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: orders for 1337BEEF go to BigBambi ;) (though not so 1337 anymore)
20:00:21BigBambiSadly I am no longer 1337
20:00:36BigBambiAlthough if it helps I can go and delete one of my posts :)
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20:21:56gevaertsThe changelog pages linked to from http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi seem to be empty for today's commits
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20:34:42gevaertsCan Vista and Mac OSX people test current svn (r16457) USB mass storage support ? If it seems slow, if possible try again on a different USB port or behind a hub (to avoid the known signal quality issues). Main goal is to test if the SCSI changes improve things
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20:35:58DrKralleHey here Rocks :) www.libertyradio.de Libertymusik from Germany :-)
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20:42:48amiconnpfft
20:43:31codesquidgevaerts, I can try it on OS X in a while
20:45:32gevaertscodesquid: What version of OSX ? And did you already try earlier ? (just collecting data...)
20:46:10codesquid10.5.2, not tried on OS X before. I only compile and test my programs on it, I don't actually like using OS X much ;)
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20:47:52gevaertsOK. I think barrywardell uses 10.5 as well, and the previous versions didn't work for him (they crashed the mac). I hope it's fixed with this one
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20:48:24codesquidthen OS X is broken if it crashes
20:48:48*gevaerts is proud to have crashed both osx and vista remotely without even running code on them
20:48:56codesquidhaha
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20:52:45fyrestormgevaerts: willing to try
20:53:03fyrestormjust tell me what i need to edit and i will compile myself
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20:54:47gevaertsfyrestorm: If you have an svn checkout ready, just update, edit the Makefile to change the EXTRA_DEFINES line to "export EXTRA_DEFINES=-DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED" and compile (run make clean first, these makefile changes aren't picked up automatically)
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20:57:04codesquidgevaerts, small bug. If I turn on my sansa by plugging in the cable, it boots and displays the USB screen. But it doesn't load the background.
20:58:36gevaertscodesquid: that actually happens before the filesystem is mounted. Also you might notice that the sd card doesn't seem to work yet then (it works if you plug in after booting)
20:59:01codesquidok
20:59:12Beta2KI have 10.4 and 10.3 boxes available if you wish anything tested on them
20:59:28fyrestormgevaerts
20:59:30fyrestormerr
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20:59:34fyrestormwill do that in a minute
20:59:39fyrestormthats what i wanted to say :D
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20:59:57gevaertsBeta2K: what player do you have ?
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21:00:03Beta2KGigabeat F
21:00:18Beta2KI supose you're testing with iPods? :)
21:01:18codesquidgevaerts, pluggin in the cable on OS X triggered the USB screen on my sansa, but OS X did not show any volumes
21:01:22gevaertsiPods, sansas and iriver H10. Gigabeat F does USB differently (don't ask me exactly how), so it's not affected by this
21:01:36codesquiddmesg had some error messages:
21:01:41Beta2KGigabeat has a ARM CPU, the others have PP CPU's
21:02:07codesquid"The IOUSBFamily is having trouble enumerating a USB device that has been pluggin in. It will keep retrying ..."
21:02:28codesquidand then several "Found a transation past the completion deadline on bus 0x3d, timing out!"
21:02:34gevaertscodesquid: That could be a signal quality issue. Hard to be sure
21:02:38codesquidafter pulling the cable OS X prompted me to reboot
21:03:16gevaertscodesquid: ok, so it's still not fixed. This was with r16457 ?
21:03:27codesquidyes
21:03:59gevaertsCan you try doing a logf build and enabling logf for usb_storage.c ?
21:05:01gevaertscodesquid: also, do you have a USB hub available ? It might change the behaviour
21:05:06codesquidsure, if you explain me how to do that
21:05:11codesquidsorry, don't have an USB hub
21:06:42gevaertscodesquid: when running tools/configure, choose (A)dvanced, then (L)ogf (press enter twice there), and then edit firmware/usbstack/usb_storage.c to remove the comment markers before #define LOGF_ENABLE (so the define is used)
21:07:06gevaertscodesquid: You'll need to run make clean I guess
21:07:22fyrestormcompiling
21:07:29fyrestormfor ipod vid :D
21:08:03codesquidgevaerts, it's compiling
21:08:13gevaertsAfter that, you'll get two extra items in the debug menu, logf and logf_dump. Choose logf_dump after trying the connection. This will dump the output to .rockbox/logf.txt
21:08:36fyrestormgevaerts: when this is done compiling what exactly am i testing
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21:09:33fyrestormnevermind
21:09:38fyrestormi scrolled up
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21:10:12BigBambiBeta2K: The portalplayer ships contain a dual-arm core...
21:10:17BigBambis/ships/chips
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21:10:51*gevaerts assumes portalplayer ships contain a huge amount of arm cores, nicely stacked
21:10:57BigBambihehe
21:12:54faemirAnyone know when jpeg and or png suppor for album art will occur?
21:12:58faemirsupport *
21:13:02BigBambiwhen someone writes it
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21:13:57faemirBigBambi: well that's the obvious answer, but can you elaborate? Or is that all that can be said...
21:14:02BigBambiNo
21:14:13BigBambiIf some (that could be you) writes it, then it will be done
21:14:34BigBambiPeople are volunteers who work on what they want in their spare time
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21:15:20peturamiconn: my H10 5GB reports the disk indeed as ST650211FX - want me to open it to check the connector?
21:15:50amiconnFX == F-FLEX
21:15:55faemirBigBambi: anything else obvious you want to state?
21:16:01amiconnNo need to open it
21:16:14peturok
21:16:20BigBambifaemir: You asked the question, I answered it. If it were that obvious an answer, why ask?
21:16:42amiconnMy guess is then that the H10 5GB (non-pure) contains the same disk
21:16:59faemirBigBambi: because it may not have had that answer. It may have been 'Yeh, x is currently working on it but it's not quite there yet' or something else.
21:17:14*amiconn edits wiki
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21:17:20BigBambiSure, but the answer is, no-one is, and if someone does it will be done
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21:17:54peturamiconn: the H10 5GB pure was already in the wiki...
21:17:55*BigBambi thinks when someone does heavily implies no-one is, but sorry if it wasn't clear
21:18:37amiconnpetur: Yes, but it just stated "Hitachi Microdrive" instead of the exact type
21:18:50amiconns/Hitachi/Seagate/
21:19:06peturnot on the copy I'm watching
21:19:23faemirBigBambi: well saying that instead would of been just as good as your answer, and less arrogant sounding. But thankyou anyway.
21:19:25petur H10 pure 5GB Seagate Flex Connector 45-way 5mm ST650211FX
21:19:43BigBambifaemir: It was not my intention to sound arrogant, but take it as you will
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21:20:29faemirBigBambi: I don't suppose that you know whether there has been battery improvements to ipods recently? My 30gb video seems to be getting longer, though it may be my imagination.
21:20:49BigBambifaemir: How recently? There certainly have been improvements
21:20:55*BigBambi goes to double check when
21:21:03faemirBigBambi: I dunno, say since november?
21:21:05amiconnpetur: Where is that?
21:21:14BigBambifaemir: Yes, there have been since then :)
21:21:27faemirOh and whoever thought of the gui installer thing is a frickin genius.
21:21:33peturthe drive is mentioned twice, once in the middle of the page, once at the end
21:21:49BigBambiI haven't used rbutil myself, but think it is a very welcome addition
21:21:58peturaha, the middle section is 1.8" drives
21:22:02krazykitfaemir, well, rbutil has been around for awhile, but the newer (qt) version has really improved of late.
21:22:45peturamiconn: 1.8" drives -> iriver
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21:22:59peturis wrong....
21:23:18amiconnYes, very
21:23:24faemirkrazykit: cool, it was just really really nice to just click a single button to install the bootloader and stuff this time, not that I'm a stranger to terminal, but I'm just lazy. And it's nice for those who are not wanting to do complex stuff.
21:23:38BigBambiyep, tis good alright
21:23:45fyrestormdamn it takes me 20 minutes to compile with cygwin
21:24:07faemirNow all I need to know is why one of my albums plays fine on my pc but on my ipod it skips.
21:24:20BigBambicodec/bitrate/etc?
21:24:23faemirI mean it'll get like 2 minutes into the song then go to the next
21:24:26fyrestormfaemir: codec
21:24:41faemirit's an ogg, can't remember bitrate
21:24:58BigBambiplayer?
21:25:08faemirDoes rockbox mind very very long id3 info?
21:25:10faemirplayer?
21:25:16BigBambiWhat target?
21:25:23scorche|shfyrestorm: cygwin is slooow
21:25:26BigBambiiPod, iriver, sansa, which model etc
21:25:27fyrestormyeah scorche
21:25:33fyrestormreal slow
21:25:34faemiroh right >_<
21:25:38faemiripod 30gb video
21:25:41fyrestormbut i learned how to do patches and everything
21:25:44BigBambiogg should be fine then
21:25:50fyrestormfrom the wiki page about it
21:26:01fyrestormso i guess the same applies to the vmware package
21:26:12BigBambifaemir: Was the id3 question separate? As ogg should have vorbis comments
21:26:21faemirit's seperate
21:26:38BigBambiYes, I think there is a limit on length of tag
21:26:51faemirWell it fits in the tag on my pc
21:27:02BigBambiBut I can't remember what it is off the top of my head - try searching the forum, it has come up there
21:27:07faemirSure
21:27:14faemirI might just shorten the album name :P
21:27:32BigBambiIt is for certain codec(s) only, and due to the why rockbox parses the tag
21:27:41BigBambis/why/way
21:27:55faemirThe tag for album is: Good Apollo I'm Burning Star IV, Vol.1: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness
21:28:03faemirThat too long you think? XD
21:28:11BigBambiIt is the overall length I think that metters
21:28:15BigBambidamn it
21:28:18BigBambi*matters
21:28:26faemirOh alright.
21:28:39BigBambiBut I'm not 100%
21:28:45BigBambijust nearly :)
21:29:12faemirAlso, I'm currently reusing my ipod database [ :( ] but rockbox has picked up multiple tracks on lots of the albums while the official firmware hasn't - what's up wit that?
21:29:35BigBambiYou aren't reusing your ipod database
21:29:45faemirWell, you know what I mean.
21:29:51BigBambiThe rockbox database scans your entire disk for music files
21:29:59faemirYeh, I meant that it's not drag and drop
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21:30:08BigBambifaemir: It is fairly important to be accurate when discussing technical matters :)
21:30:09faemirIt's the evil scrambled up ipod way >_>
21:30:15BigBambiindeed :)
21:30:52faemirI had some problems with rockbox crashing before so I returned to normal ipod, but gave it another chance yesterday, and no crashes, so I'm going to put it back on to drag and drop :)
21:31:00codesquidgevaerts, this time OS X didn't crash
21:31:02faemirnormal ipod firmware *
21:31:10codesquidgevaerts, http://rafb.net/p/IL39ZC92.html first attempt
21:31:16BigBambifaemir: You may have multiple copies there in a recycle bin for instance - easiest way to check is to put two into a playlist, then view the playlist to see if it is the same filename
21:31:26BigBambiIf that is it, run the disk tidy plugin
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21:31:29major_worksgevaerts: Is the last version of FS #8562 (integration_3.diff) usable, or have recent commits rendered it too squirrely for non-coders to patch?
21:31:37faemirI never got how to use playlist feature :(
21:31:46codesquidgevaerts, http://rafb.net/p/nkoMdY19.html several more attempts. No crash but no volumes either.
21:31:53BigBambiIf not, then you can try rebuilding the database. To make sure you really start from scratch, delete *.tcd for the .rockbox folder
21:32:00BigBambifaemir: That is what the manual is for
21:32:03faemirBigBambi: also, when did the thing come in where you hold menu and it comes up with options for shuffle repeat etc?
21:32:11BigBambiAlways been there
21:32:15faemirO_O
21:32:18BigBambiThat is the quick menu
21:32:22faemirWell I found it yesterday and it's awesome.
21:32:26*BigBambi points at the manual again
21:32:26faemirCan you customise it?
21:32:36BigBambiCheck out the context menu too
21:32:40faemirYeh I looked at the manual before, and didn't notice it =/
21:32:44gevaertsmajor_works: that one is entirely commited to svn, so you don't need a patch to get the latest work currently
21:32:45BigBambifaemir: Not without editing the code
21:32:53faemirBigBambi: aww :(
21:33:05faemirIt would be nice to put coverflow as a shortcut instead of the fileview mode
21:33:07BigBambifaemir: Power savings were 10/02/2008 - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=16259
21:33:20BigBambifaemir: The code is available....
21:33:21major_worksgevaerts: Ah, that explains it. Shouldn't it be closed, then? But thanks for the good word.
21:33:54faemirBigBambi: but I can't code :P
21:34:01faemirOF = original factory?
21:34:08BigBambioriginal firmware
21:34:14BigBambisimilar :)
21:34:15faemirAh.
21:34:33gevaertsmajor_works: not sure. It's still not active by default, and I might do more patches (although it's unlikely, I expect the changes from now on will be small enough to go directly to svn)
21:34:35faemirI don't suppose you know whether the estimated battery time left is any more accurate than before?
21:34:44BigBambiprobably not :)
21:34:50faemirHaha ok.
21:35:03major_worksOK... no problem. Thanks again.
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21:35:17faemiroh great, time to right a script to resize all my images to 100 x 100 :(
21:35:25BigBambithere is one on the wiki
21:35:32faemiroh good.
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21:36:04faemirBigBambi: is it for linux?
21:36:07BigBambifaemir: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt#Format_Conversion
21:36:10BigBambifaemir: yep
21:36:19faemirah, I just got it :P
21:36:21gevaertsmajor_works: major_works: I'm adding a note to the tracker right now to make this clear
21:36:26BigBambijust replace the needed bits
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21:37:13fyrestormgevaerts: is there any way i can test read/write speeds that get logged
21:37:22major_worksgevaerts: Good deal. No biggie... I know how to use -R these days. :-)
21:37:24fyrestormto give you more accurate results?
21:37:47faemirBigBambi: what are the chances of rbutil using qt 4.4 any time soon?
21:38:06BigBambifaemir: Don't know. Domonoky_ and bluebrother are the mail rbutil bods
21:38:15BigBambis/mail/main
21:38:16faemirOk thanks.
21:38:25scorche|shfaemir: what are your main reasons for wanting the switch?
21:38:41major_worksgevaerts: Do we still need to use -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB and -DUSE_HIGH_SPEED in the Makefile?
21:38:51faemirscorche|sh: well I don't have any 'reasons' as such, just curious if it will be upgraded.
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21:39:25faemirI mean it has to have some advantages right? :P
21:39:34BigBambiheh
21:39:49*scorche|sh shrugs at faemir ...if there arent any real reasons to (i wouldnt know...i dont deal with QT) there isnt much point in moving from something that already works just fine
21:40:02faemirscorche|sh: tell that the the kde crowd ;)
21:40:14gevaertsmajor_works: yes. Be aware that on sansa e200, there is a (rare) write bug in the flash driver that shows up when using USB.
21:41:06gevaertsfyrestorm: I'm not really sure how to test speeds on windows. Maybe just use large enough files so "manual" timing works ?
21:41:10major_worksOK. I'll make sure my lawyers don't know. ;-)
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21:41:24faemirscorche|sh: what player have you got rockbox on?
21:41:29faemirwhoops, wrong person
21:41:36faemirBigBambi: see above.
21:41:40desowinhmm, on sansa e200 rockbox could disable audio output when there's no song playing, that seems to save from ugly hisses/voices while browsing menus. and it's the way OF does it, when there's no song playing they disable the audiohw so there's no hiss.
21:41:47fyrestormk will try
21:41:52Kal_TorakAny ETA on 2nd/3rd gen Nano support? I haven't been able to find anything on the website
21:41:58fyrestormreading at 3.79mb a second
21:42:00scorche|shKal_Torak: there is no ETA
21:42:17Beta2KIt'll be a pain Kal
21:42:19Kal_TorakI shoulda said, is there going to be any support at all
21:42:20BigBambifaemir: iriver H140, gigabeat F60, sansa E260 and soon (hopefully, the port is progressing) gigabeat S60
21:42:25fyrestormmoving a music folder to my desktop
21:42:29Kal_TorakI've got a 3rd Gen video nano
21:42:29gevaertsfyrestorm: do you have front and back USB ports on your PC ? If so, can you try which work best ?
21:42:30faemirEnough players? :P
21:42:34fyrestormyeah
21:42:40BigBambiYou can never have enough!
21:42:41scorche|shKal_Torak: that is impossible to say...no one is working on it
21:42:41fyrestormim using the front right now
21:42:48Kal_Torakah
21:42:48Kal_Torakok
21:42:54scorche|shfaemir: that is actually quite tame compared to a lot of us here =P
21:43:04faemirBigBambi: I would pay lots of money for that gigabeat f60.
21:43:07Beta2KThe problem is Kal there's no data on the CPU it uses
21:43:12faemirWant to get rid of this ipod XD
21:43:15Kal_TorakAh
21:43:18BigBambiscorche|sh: Oi, I was feeling important for a minute then!
21:43:22Beta2KIt's apple branded
21:43:27scorche|shBeta2K: that is only one of the many problems
21:43:31BigBambifaemir: They periodically go for next to nothing on ebay
21:43:32Beta2KSame with the audio codec
21:43:35faemirOh and kudos to whoever made the new theme included in rockbox.
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21:43:47faemirBigBambi: yeh, I keep forgetting to check :(
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21:43:49Beta2KYes the these is very nice
21:43:50fyrestormwrite speed: 5.77-6.61 MB/sec
21:44:00Beta2Ktheme
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21:44:17faemirBeta2K: though imo the icons at the bottom are too big.
21:44:26scorche|shBeta2K: we know what chips they are...doesnt mean we know how they work, but hardware support isnt even the first brick wall
21:44:40fyrestormtrying back port now.
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21:44:53BigBambiNo way to run custom code is a bit of a hitch
21:45:09gevaertsfyrestorm: that looks good. How quickly did it show up in explorer ?
21:45:16fyrestormawhile
21:45:25fyrestormjust plugged it in the back
21:45:31faemirIs it true that sansa gave some of their players to get rockbox running on them?
21:45:47BigBambifaemir: Sort of
21:45:47fyrestormstill waiting..
21:45:55scorche|shyes...they sent us some hardware...but that was all they did
21:46:11BigBambifaemir: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
21:46:19fyrestormgevaerts: i dont think the driver is loading
21:46:27fyrestormyeah its taking way too long
21:46:31fyrestormdisconnecting
21:47:05gevaertsfyrestorm: you have a weird PC ;-) Usually it works better on the back ports
21:47:16fyrestormi made it myself ;p
21:47:26fyrestormasus a8n-sli
21:47:32fyrestorm939 socket
21:47:39Beta2Kscorche|sh, other the the hardware (and I assume people) whats the other brick wall?
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21:47:48BigBambiBigBambi> No way to run custom code is a bit of a hitch
21:47:53fyrestormlemme try rebooting rockbox
21:48:04scorche|shBeta2K: the firmware is encrypted
21:48:06fyrestormi do hear the device found sound
21:48:13gevaertsfyrestorm: often the front ports (even on big brand PCs) are wired with really bad cabling
21:48:18fyrestormbut no drive shows up in explorer
21:48:20Beta2KOye, that's a nasty wall :(
21:48:26fyrestormyeah
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21:48:38fyrestormim using a stacker 810 case
21:48:42scorche|shBeta2K: hardware drivers are a bit useless if we cant run code ;)
21:48:42fyrestormhuuuge
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21:49:03Beta2Khehehe, just a little
21:49:18fyrestormrebooting my ipod and then gonna plug it in using back ports
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21:50:24fyrestormyeah its not showing up
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21:50:43faemirBigBambi: the reason for no new ipod development is firmware encryption isn't it?
21:50:58BigBambifaemir: That and new undocumented hardware
21:51:03fyrestormfaemir: id also assume new hardware
21:51:22fyrestormok, since back port isnt loading the driver at all
21:51:23amiconngevaerts: The usb hardware enable/disable routines in apple diskmode do some fiddling with 0x70000028. I wonder whether this is important; there seems to be some kind of reset
21:51:28Domonoky_faemir: rbutil uses the newest released Qt, 4.4 isnt released..
21:51:40fyrestormwait
21:51:42fyrestormthere we go
21:51:43fyrestormfinally
21:51:49fyrestormit finally showed up
21:51:58gevaertsamiconn: only one way to find out I guess ?
21:52:14fyrestorm03:48-03:51
21:52:25scorche|shfaemir: well, i would say that the reason is because no one is working on it...if someone were to, they might not have progress, but at least someone is poking around and gathering information and such
21:52:45fyrestormok so now that the backport works, im gonna do a read/write test
21:53:01faemirIt's just I would love to be able to have it on the new ones, since as they have far superior battery life and stuff :(
21:53:15scorche|shfaemir: then start having at it! ;)
21:53:17amiconnOtoh, I could not find any references to what we call DEV_USB0
21:53:19gevaertsfyrestorm: I'm going to assume it's a signal quality problem. It happens on some models and not on others, possibly related to PP version. Anyway, USB is checksummed so your data should be fine
21:53:22fyrestormread: 3.58
21:53:31faemirscorche|sh: well when I have lots of money I'll donate one ;)
21:53:41amiconnJust DEV_USB1 and INIT_USB
21:53:51fyrestormwrite: 5.81-6.79
21:53:52faemirThough I think I would rather get it working on the new cowon model when it comes out ;)
21:54:04fyrestormbut it does take forever to show up
21:54:28gevaertsamiconn: I'll try a build here without DEV_USB0. Maybe it's a 'introduce bad signals' bit.
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21:54:43amiconnI doubt that
21:55:10amiconnThe reset thing looks kinda interesting though. Maybe I should try it
21:56:38gevaertsI guess so. It's the only way to find out for sure.
21:57:36gevaertsI think I also managed to get USB test mode working, so I should be able to get a real signal test done early next week.
21:59:12fyrestormwhy such the long load time
21:59:14fyrestormin explorer
21:59:27fyrestormwhen i first tried your build it was damn quick
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22:00:12fyrestormalso my battery is getting weak so that may also be a factor
22:00:12major_works_gevaerts: FYI... a make for Sansa e200 failed in usb.c. I used clean SVN. Cygwin stuff here: http://pastebin.com/d4fa9b125
22:00:31fyrestormill have a brand new 1200mAh ipod battery for my 4th gen
22:02:03gevaertsfyrestorm: hmm. Could you try the 4th gen as well ? If our PP version theory is correct, that one should work better
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22:03:10gevaertsmajor_works_: I'll try to reproduce it here
22:03:39major_works_gevaerts: Me too. It'll take me a lot longer than you, though.
22:05:09gevaertsmajor_works_: it builds fine here (e200, both with and without USE_ROCKBOX_USB). It looks like firmware/export/usb.h is out of date
22:05:26fyrestormgevaerts: cant on the current battery i have
22:05:49fyrestormi need to replace it, voltage is way too low
22:05:58fyrestormand dies out pretty much instantly.
22:06:24gevaertsfyrestorm: ok
22:06:52major_works_gevaerts: I'll try again. If the problem repeats, I'll let you know.
22:06:52fyrestormbut once i get it, i will do as you please
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22:07:19gevaertsmajor_works_: If it still fails, can you check what "firmware/export/usb.h" reports as Last Changed Rev ? It should be 16435
22:07:36major_works_OK.
22:07:47major_works_It'll be a while.
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22:08:04gevaertsamiconn: DEV_USB0 is definitely needed on my c200. It doesn't actually finish booting without it
22:08:23amiconn?
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22:16:42gevaertsamiconn: there's one while() loop in usb_init_device(), waiting for something to change in 0x70000028. Maybe that doesn't happen without DEV_USB0 ?
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22:20:03gevaertsWhy does the mini 2nd gen have such a large delta over the last two revisions ?
22:23:51amiconnThe 2K aligned struct is obviously still there
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22:24:53gevaertsSo that one probably moves a bit. It can't go unfortunately. the hardware wants it that way
22:24:55amiconnA small size change of what's before that in RAM can make that struct jump up/down in 2K steps, depending on how it is located
22:25:43amiconnWe can put that struct at the end of maim RAM via the linker script. Then it will always be aligned and won't jump around
22:25:52amiconns/maim/main/
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22:26:48gevaertsIf the only thing it buys us is a bit less clutter on the delta page, I don't think it's worth it
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22:28:28amiconnIt would also avoid wasting an average 1K RAM. Actual waste varies with build (0...(2K-1) bytes)
22:30:12gevaertsCan't the linker optimize that kind of thing ?
22:30:47*gevaerts goes to solve the bin-packing problem in O(n)
22:32:08amiconnIt obviously can't
22:33:55preglowi say we should stay out of linker scripts if we can
22:34:01preglowkiss, remember
22:34:19*gevaerts agrees
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22:34:46amiconnWell, pinning that one buffer to a fixed address isn't overly complex, imho
22:35:10amiconnBut that can wait until the usb stack is stable
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22:35:59pondlifepixelma: Don't suppose you tested my latter patch? FYI, I've put it on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8455 now (in two halves).
22:36:20amiconnhmmm
22:36:45amiconnEither it's just a coincidence, or I actually made those darn reset happen less often
22:36:56low_lightgevaerts: here's the init & reset sequence from c200 bootloader: http://rafb.net/p/rrnLgY35.html http://rafb.net/p/dIePpt61.html
22:37:17pixelmapondlife: I did - see logs at 19:03
22:37:55desowinis it possible to enable/disable audiohw without hearing beep in headphones?
22:37:57pondlifeAha, I feared as much
22:38:22faemirIs the rbutil install themes option broken for everyone or just me?
22:38:31pondlifeStill, it means I know what's wrong - just need to find the correct logic
22:38:59amiconnOne single 'event 51' in the windows system log instead of a dozen (connected to hub), and *no* reset in linux dmesg so far (front port)
22:39:56desowinI tried to implement my idea of disabling/enabling audiohw when playing or not and it turned out in one really ugly beep on disable/enable of hw
22:39:59Domonoky_faemir: what doesnt work ?
22:40:00gevaertsamiconn: can you compare to what low_light just pasted ?
22:40:39*gevaerts hopes that it will be the same, so we won't have to #ifdef-ify that as well
22:40:40pondlife(for the logs) Nico_P: The problem seems to be caused by last_peek_offset being updated too early on natural track changes.
22:41:09faemirDomonoky_: it says it can't find any themes
22:41:22Domonoky_faemir: which device ?
22:41:30faemiripod video 30gb
22:41:33*gevaerts has to go for some hours now. I'll be back later
22:41:36amiconnLooks similar, but not identical
22:41:43pixelmaDomonoky_, faemir: I think it's the Ipod Video's downloads where taken down from the download server due too bandwidth problems
22:41:44amiconnApple diskmode even does a bit more
22:41:56amiconnIt does not touch 0x70000028 bit 1 though
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22:42:10faemirpixelma: ah :( Can you remind me of the place to get themes for rockbox then? >_<
22:42:35scorche|shfaemir: either fo to the WpsGallery int he wiki, or go to rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org for now
22:42:38gevaertsAnyway I'll test this later.
22:42:40amiconnAh, now I see why I didn't get a reset: no high speed! :\
22:42:43Domonoky_pixelma: that explains the error message of rbutil :-)
22:42:46faemirscorche|sh: thanks
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22:43:11*amiconn wonders why there is no high speed when he didn't touch that bit in the sources
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22:52:07ryranhey guys. any of the devs following Gevaerts usb work know if he's aware that some time in the last few days non-computer usb power has been broken a bit? plugging my 5g ipod into a car or wall charger with the latest build (r16458) causes RB to reboot into emergency disk mode. holding down Menu prevents that; however then playback is _stopped_ (but can be restarted).
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22:55:59ryranahhh. okay. reading the log from today I see he knows.
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23:06:14amiconnHmm. If we don't set 0x70000028 bit 1, the chip operates at fullspeed only
23:07:27amiconnAnd the mysterious bitt toggle sequence I found yesterday is also part of diskmode...
23:08:35*petur discovers that current svn bootloader no longer boots on his h380 - svn bootloader at the time of devcon07 booted 50% of the time
23:12:34pondlifepetur: I was planning on updating my H380's bootloader...
23:12:58pondlifeI'm currently on r14938
23:13:08peturI'm trying to find out what goes wrong
23:13:27pondlifeI've not seen any 50% problem though...
23:13:35peturit fails inside ata_init()
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23:27:45*petur hates it when adding debug info changes the behaviour :/
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23:29:37lImbusgood evening
23:30:24lImbuscould somebody drop me the acbuild.pl and rsa-key ?
23:30:39lImbusmy server is already on the list, but I lost those files on a hdd-crash
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23:32:55BagderlImbus: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/acbuild.txt
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23:33:06Bagderand http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rbclient-authorized_keys2
23:33:14lImbusaaha
23:33:18lImbusthat is new:)
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23:33:28lImbusunwanted that it's not listed in the wiki ?
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23:33:47Bagderi just haven't gotten around to that
23:33:54lImbusokay, I'll do
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23:39:37lImbusow, cool. rockbox has coats now here
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23:40:38peturfrrr I have two identify dumps of my mk8007gah, and one of them says multiword dma mode2 is active... just can't be true... wonder what is going on
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23:50:49pondlifeDarn, missed petur.
23:51:27pondlife(more stuff for the logs) petur: If you want me to do any other tests, I also have a mk8007gah.
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23:55:56snowweehi
23:56:01snowweeevery body here?
23:56:11snowweei very nned help
23:56:20krazykitjust ask
23:56:57snowweecan i install rocktox to ipod nano 3G 4gb?
23:57:14Domonoky_no
23:57:28snowweeyou sure?
23:57:39snowweehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=NDvxLJZEpPA
23:57:44snowweewhat OS in this
23:57:44snowweeipod/
23:57:47Domonoky_sure, take a look at the website
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23:58:13snowweewhat OS better than MAC i can install on my ipod?
23:58:19krazykitnothing
23:58:32snowweelinux no?
23:58:35krazykitno
23:58:42snowweeonly mac?
23:58:56krazykitthe ONLY firmware that works on the nano 2g/3g is the apple firmware

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