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#rockbox log for 2008-03-02

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00:04:37linuxstbLlorean: I expect I was talking about the ffmpeg Cook decoder - so no license issues...
00:05:52Lloreanlinuxstb: Oh, well then.
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00:10:21TheBasharLlorean: Thanks for pointing me to the check-in yesterday for FS #8455. I've posted my observations there.
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00:17:46*gevaerts is confused
00:18:05Beta2KIs that abnormal?
00:18:31*gevaerts slaps Beta2K
00:19:10gevaertsWhy does linux only see my sansa after I have run lsusb ? "I haven't changed anything !"
00:19:57Beta2KWell I'd tell you, but you just smacked me
00:20:35*gevaerts aplogises and gives Beta2K a cookie
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00:25:39iokCould anybody please point me to a (wiki?) page where I can read about the state of the USB stack in Rockbox?
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00:28:04gevaertsiok: there is no wiki page about it, but http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 has some information (look at the last entry). What's not mentionned there (but somewhat implied) is that we have signal quality issues.
00:28:05desowiniok: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 and of course svn commits on front page
00:28:08Lloreaniok: I don't know if there's anywhere documenting the exact state.
00:28:25*gevaerts documents its state on demand
00:29:52gevaertsiok: short summary : it's not ready yet, but depending on your player, operating system, and PC it may be usable for you
00:29:55iokdesowin: yes, I saw the commit comments but it's hard to build the whole picture if you haven't followed the history from the beginning
00:30:45iokgevaerts: what about sansa e200? Would you recomment to still use the OF for music transfer?
00:31:37desowinOF
00:31:57LloreanIf we were ready to recommend its use, we'd enable it.
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00:32:53iokLlorean: yes, that's what I also thought. And there is no entry in the 'major changes' list :-)
00:32:54gevaertsiok: the actual usb driver for e200 seems to work fine, but there is a bug in the flash driver that sometimes causes data corruption on write. It seems to happen every few gigabytes when using high speed, and is rarer at full speed.
00:34:09gevaertsiok: that's the main "depends on your player" item. On ipod and H10 it might work slowly or unreliably, but it won't do bad writes; on sansa it sometimes does
00:34:40iokgevaerts: ouch!
00:35:18iokgevaerts: this is the worst thing for a developer: "sometimes", i.e. not surely reproducible, right?
00:36:52gevaertsiok: the main problem on this one as far as I understand it is lack of documentation/understanding of the hardware that drives the sd card.
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00:38:01iokgevaerts: aha... Ok. Good luck and many thanks for your work!
00:38:33amiconngevaerts: Reportedly the linux usb subsystem can become confused when doing too many "unexpected" things. A reboot should fix that
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00:40:43gevaertsamiconn: maybe, but in this specific case it works with a current svn build, but acts strangely with my current changes, so I guess it's my code
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00:43:32Davide-NYCQuestioN: are 64GB Compact Flash cards available anywhere? I can find announcements from late 2006, but no actual product to purchase.
00:44:05LloreanThat's more a question for -community
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00:46:39Davide-NYCLlorean: first time I hear of this -community, thansk.
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00:47:48LloreanDavide-NYC: Even if you hadn't heard of -community, that has nothing to do with the Rockbox software.
00:48:16Davide-NYCYes sir.
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00:59:11gevaertsThat wasn't it. However, testing with what's in svn shows that it isn't a new problem, so I can ignore it as far as this current work is concerned.
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01:12:30pixelmaroolku: the mrobe100 plugins use mostly the Archos bitmaps?
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01:15:06Aim having trouble with an ipod mini and rockbox, it seems that the bootloader does not run the firmware correctly and i cannot get on the ipod even on disc mode
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01:16:54roolkupixelma: yes, which is a shame as everything is small
01:17:13LloreanA: Disk Mode happens before the Rockbox bootloader code is even run.
01:17:25roolkupixelma: I created bitmaps for sudoku and rockblox though
01:18:19roolku(or tetrox or whatever it is called these days...)
01:18:33pixelmaroolku: yes saw that. The next could probably sokoban as I'm currently working on the c200 adaptation which hasn't happened yet, would only be one more bitmap
01:18:50pixelmadon't say the tet* word... :)
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01:19:23Aits odd, because i have no idea whats going on with my ipod, all it does it keep resetting to the exclamation point with the folder on it
01:21:04desowinI experienced such behaviour when I had ipod mini (I no longer have it), after changing bootloader it went back to normal
01:22:09Adesowin, did you install a cf card or something on it also?
01:22:39roolkupixelma: if you want to create some bitmaps that would be great - I am not the greatest artist and it is even worse in black and white (or black and red actually)
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01:25:10pixelmayes, I'd actually like that challenge... black is usually the foreground colour? Having a look at the sim as we speak :)
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01:26:06roolkupixelma: the sim is misleading, background is black and text is red
01:26:42linuxstbpixelma: BTW, the USB screen image used on the ipod video looks quite small. now that we can actually see it for more than a split second.
01:26:43roolkupixelma: but the backlight is actually lighting up the red - so the display is all black when the backlight is off
01:27:08amiconnSo it's a normally black monochrome lcd?
01:27:34Lloreanlinuxstb: Does it use the same one as the Gigabeat?
01:27:51linuxstbLlorean: All LCDs > 176 pixels wide use the same image
01:28:00roolkuamiconn: yes
01:28:01pixelmaroolku: ah that's what I wondered (remember seeing some pictures) - but you wouldn't care if the graphics are "inverted" as the text is?
01:28:17*amiconn thinks the simulator should be fixed then
01:28:57pixelmaa monochrome display that's unreadable without backlight is a bit of a pity...
01:29:47roolkuamiconn: the configuration currently doesn't support it - the backlight will only change the background, not the foreground as on target
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01:30:26Lloreanlinuxstb: I don't think it looks too small on the gigabeat, but I guess it could certainly be bigger.
01:30:39amiconnI said it should be fixed, not that it would be trivial ;)
01:30:45roolkupixelma: it is just about readable - the forground (red) is silvery with a good light source and suitable angle
01:31:21roolkuamiconn: :) yes, I agree
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01:31:42*amiconn thinks that at the same time, the sim lcd colours should be made consistent with the screenshot function's colouras
01:32:26pixelmalinuxstb: ok, will keep it in mind
01:33:00linuxstbpixelma: Thanks. Obviously not that important, it's just that I used USB on the video for the first time today, and thought it looked odd...
01:34:17*gevaerts implements a complimentary "Refresh Database" screen to be shown for five minutes on USB disconnect
01:35:24pixelmabtw. wanted to ask you something (as you seem to be the only only around currently who knows a bit about Mac and Ipod installation). I'm currently going through the installation instructions in the manual and for the manual bootloader installation on MacOS it is mentioned that you have to "unmount" the Ipod but not eject it - wouldn't someone have to do the same when using rbutil?
01:35:48Proxyim trying to compile rockbox, but i keep getting a xargs zip no such file or directory in cygwin
01:36:31pixelmalinuxstb: in general these kind of info are now a bit hidden and spread across multiple sections and I want to get a picture first and collect all the facts...
01:36:58amiconnroolku: What's the current state of the mrobe100 port? Is it already kinda usable?
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01:37:19roolkuamiconn: yes, it is very usable
01:37:45amiconnDoes the greyscale lib work?
01:37:55roolkuamiconn: touchpad is kinda touchy and takes time to get used to - lowlight thinks he can tweak sensitivity
01:38:22roolkuamiconn: no I was going to ask you if you could give me a hand with that
01:39:05pixelmaroolku: just noticed, you also get the aspect ratio corrected bitmaps for the archos display then (chess as you mention in the forum post might look very weird on the mrobe100 display currently) :)
01:40:05roolkupixelma: it looks squished and very small, but I was very excited to see it work at all :)
01:40:06linuxstbpixelma: ipodpatcher (and I assume rbutil) does the unmounting itself now on Mac OS X - so I'm pretty sure that instruction is now obsolete.
01:40:16amiconnroolku: Shouldn't be difficult at all. Afaik the mrobe100 uses the same pixel packing as archos, and the standard pp lcd1 bridge
01:40:46pixelmalinuxstb: ah, good to know... :)
01:41:31pixelmaI guess sansapatcheris able to do that too?
01:42:00amiconnSo you'll need the standard bunch of arm asm transfer functions, and lcd_grey_phase_blit needs implementation
01:42:10roolkuamiconn: yes, that is what lowlight said, but I haven't really looked into that
01:42:25amiconnYou'll also want lcd_blit because you need it to figure out the internal refresh rate of the lcd
01:42:31linuxstbpixelma: Yes, it looks like it does (checking the source)
01:42:40amiconn(lcd_blit is needed by test_scanrate.rock)
01:42:45pixelmathanks
01:43:07*amiconn could probably write that stuff blindly, but not right now
01:43:53pixelmaroolku: music is playing and plugins are working, time for a manual? (which obviously means some work)
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01:44:36amiconnAfter all this is in place, you'll need to calibrate the gamma curve. I need a plugin for that myself, because some gamma curves are still not adjusted properly (and I also need gamma curve hot-switching for the 1st+2nd Gen)
01:44:38roolkuamiconn: yes, it's bed time here as well - I'll have a look tomorrow
01:46:02roolkupixelma: yes I know, but I have never built the manual, so a bit of a learning curve and I need to get it working on cygwin...
01:47:00roolkuamiconn: will the calibration work with the red backlight? I am curious how well it works
01:47:15amiconnWell, it should
01:47:29pixelmaroolku: you won't have to do it all by yourself, I only meant to ask if you think it's already worth it (sorry for being unclear)
01:47:56roolkuamiconn: the display seems quite slow - for example the ball in brickmania is really hard to see when it is moving
01:48:33amiconnIt will use a comparison of "real" greylevels to rasterized greylevels. You will have to move away far enough to be unable to recognise the raster
01:48:44amiconnSlow display == good for the greylib
01:48:48amiconn(less flicker)
01:48:57pixelmaroolku: and I build the manual on cygwin, too. Works good except I couldn't figure out how to set up tex4ht manually for the html version
01:49:01amiconnSo far, the greylib works best on H1x0
01:49:17roolkupixelma: no, it occured to me as well - it would be useful to get the install instructions written up - maybe even integrated into rbutil - so 'users' could try it and give feedback
01:50:51pixelmaI see what I can do to help (and probably draw an svg...)
01:51:31roolkupixelma: excellent, much appreciated
01:51:39pixelmathe sim background isn't that useful though
01:52:05roolkupixelma: not detailed enough?
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01:53:40roolkuroolku: I would offer to take a picture, but the whole front is clear plastic and acts like a mirror, so it is really difficult to get a good shot
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01:53:55soapneed a polarizing lens.
01:55:31pixelmaroolku: have to see some pictures first to get an idea how it looks like (like is it a bit rounded, stuff like that)
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01:56:12pixelmadon't worry, guess I'll find enough in the internet
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01:56:42roolkuokie
01:57:01*roolku goes to bed now
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01:58:02*gevaerts just waits to see if his commit now builds, and then will go to sleep as well
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02:03:54amiconnhehe
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02:13:46Proxydoes anyone know what the xargs zip no such file or directory error means? i installed all packages from rockbox
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02:30:40Absintheexactly how did the error appear?
02:31:10Strife89Brief question about albumart.
02:31:43Strife89What is the mazimum size displayed in the Cabbie theme on the c200?
02:32:20LloreanIt should say in the .wps file
02:32:31quaalhttp://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2118/contextualmuchloljw9.jpg
02:32:47Strife89Gotcha, I'll double-check.
02:32:51Lloreanquaal: That has nothing at all to do with Rockbox.
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02:33:40quaalis there some kind of crazy only rockbox talk law in place here
02:33:51LloreanThere are channel guidelines, yes.
02:34:05LloreanThat's that link in the topic that says "Please read before speaking"
02:34:22AntistheneRTFM, in other words =]
02:34:43Absinthei saw that pic on digg today
02:34:52Proxyit appears when i try to make zip
02:34:55Antisthenertfm?
02:35:01LloreanAbsinthe: Again, please take off-topic chat elsewhere.
02:35:06Absinthesorry
02:35:15Absinthewhat OS?
02:35:19LloreanProxy: Do you have "Zip" installed? Try just typing "zip" without the quotes in the cygwin window and see what it says
02:36:03Proxythats odd its not installed
02:36:53Strife89What denotes the albumart view? (i.e., what's the syntax?)
02:37:24LloreanStrife89: All WPS tags are documented on the CustomWPS wiki page
02:39:49Strife89Then it's 40x40.
02:39:52Strife89l|3|14|c40|c40|
02:39:57quaalk
02:39:58Strife89Thanks.
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02:41:29Proxythanks Llorean
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02:46:50KlownerI just acquired a Sansa e270 and it appears to be a v1 so rockbox should work, but I noticed under the Rockbox Status section on the wiki that "USB Handler" has a notice next to it, does that mean the only way to get media onto the device is through the MicroSD expansion? Or am I interpreting that incorrectly
02:48:29pixelmait means that currently your only able to put music on it by using the original firmware (Rockbox is able to dual boot and should even reboot automatically into OF on USB plug)
02:48:39pixelmaor other media
02:50:09Klowneroh, well that's not so bad
02:50:34Klownerrebooting my little sansa in exchange for being able to play mpegs seems like a fair trade
02:52:04TheBasharCan anyone recommend the best way to remove duplicates from the database? Is deleting the .tcds the best way to reset?
02:53:25LloreanTheBashar: That or simply choosing to initialize it again
02:56:17Absinthehiw long does it take to update the database? Sometimes I update the database on my sansa, turn it off immediately after, and it works fine.
02:56:28TheBasharLlorean: Thanks. The "Initialize now" option didn't work when I had the same problem a couple days ago. But I tried it again at your suggestion and it worked. What a difference a couple days (build) makes.
02:57:01AbsintheSo it only takes a few seconds? I guess 2 gigabytes doesnt take that long.
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02:57:26LloreanTheBashar: It's possible that a few days ago some of the duplicated were still on your player (in the recycle bin perhaps). This has been known to happen
02:57:48TheBasharAbsinthe: it only took about 10 seconds for my 2G.
02:57:57LloreanAbsinthe: A lot of factors determine how long the refresh takes.
02:58:08TheBasharLlorean: Or maybe running out of free space?
02:58:16AbsintheSuch as?
03:00
03:05:31LloreanAbsinthe: Processor speed of the device, how many songs you have, how many tags each of those songs has, etc.
03:05:43LloreanTheBashar: I don't understand the question.
03:05:48Absintheok. thanks
03:06:03Proxyi dont think you would run out of space
03:06:13Proxyhes talking about the database size
03:07:57TheBasharLlorean: I know I ran disktidy when I had the problem last time so I don't think it was the trash. But something (that I don't understand) happened and the 1-2MBs of free space disappeared and I had no free space. I wonder if that's why it couldn't "reinit" the database.
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03:13:27LloreanIt's possible it didn't have enough room for the temporary files
03:13:46Proxywhat does the bootloader build do vs the normal?
03:14:49LloreanWhat do you mean by "the normal"?
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03:17:53Proxyas in when you go to ../tools/configure (choose model you're building for) and then it asks you for normal manual simulator or bootloader
03:18:39LloreanThe bootloader is a separate, very minimal part of the Rockbox code. It's main duty is to load Rockbox or the OF upon booting the device.
03:18:52LloreanYou remember from when you installed, there were two steps, the Rockbox install, and the bootloader install?
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04:19:55Davide-NYCamiconn: is there anything I need to do specifically to test whether the CF cards I have fail on power management or fail on soft reset? Or is this all determined in the identify.bin file?
04:22:18Klowneraah this is so cool
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04:53:44webguest41Hi all it's webguest25 from like a week ago if it means anything. anyway, I remember someone saying how there battery life was terrible when using rockbox on I think an IPod. possibly the option to use a .voice file was on and rockbox was trying to access it?
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05:03:59webguest41hello?
05:04:53webguest41:'(
05:05:52LloreanPlease don't do that.
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05:11:50webguest41yeh. has the former webguest40 come back? think I may have figured out why he/she was getting bad battery life
05:13:38webguest41what up?
05:14:15LloreanThis isn't a conversation channel. And I have no idea if that person came back.
05:15:51webguest41I know. well if he/she does tell said user to make sure the voice options are disabled if they don't use them, rb was probbly checking for the .voice file whenever the "focus" changed
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06:22:52outsider1102anyone: hello, i just got word that the lastest version of rockbox is out, i have an 80gb iPod 5.5G, the problem is that my firmware is version 1.2.3, will this latest version of Rockbox be compatible??
06:23:50JdGordonyes
06:24:08outsider1102JdGordon: thanks thats all i needed to know...
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07:55:47outsider1102anyone: hello again, i just installed rockbox on my ipod (5.5G 80gb FW 1.2.3) and bout an hour into using rockbox, the sound on my ipod is coming out distorted, could this be a problem in the software, should i do a restore??
07:59:04LloreanDistorted how?
07:59:31outsider1102Liorean: theres is no bass, and there seems to be an overload of treble...
07:59:55outsider1102when i raise my volume up to 100% its sounds like its at 50%
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08:00:41LloreanHave you tried resetting the settings?
08:00:59outsider1102i also rebooted to the regular Apple Firmware and the same results are showing, no bass, treble overload and low volume
08:01:18outsider1102settings in the rockbox Firmware??
08:01:49LloreanYes
08:01:55LloreanWait, same problem in the Apple firmware?
08:02:06LloreanRockbox won't affect how it sounds in the Apple firmware, so it sounds like a hardware problem.
08:02:11outsider1102Liorean: yes
08:02:26LloreanHave you tried it with other headphones, and are you sure the headphone port is undamaged?
08:02:40outsider1102let me check...
08:03:03outsider1102actually i have an Apple remote that connects to the dock connector and the same results are showing
08:03:45LloreanWith different headphones?
08:04:08outsider1102no, i'm trying that now...
08:05:13outsider1102heh, what do you know...
08:05:23outsider1102it works with the standard apple headphones...
08:06:09outsider1102i'm am noe trying the sound on the regular Apple FW
08:08:03outsider1102Llorean: the problem seems to be solved, both firmwares now work fine, it must be the cord extension im using with the other headphones
08:10:11ZacamMy Sony MDR-700's developed a crack in the sheilding used under the audio jack cover. I discovered it when I attempted to remove said sheilding to replace the jack as I had thought it to be a tip connection problem. Amazing what happens to hardware.
08:11:21outsider1102Zacam: i tested my headphones on both my Sony PSP and Apple iPod, its seems to be a 2.5 mm jack cord extension that im using that is the problem
08:11:49outsider1102but, when i use the remote cord for both my PSP and iPod the sound is back to normal
08:12:18outsider1102so its this cord extension that im using, that in itself is another problem i need to find out
08:13:46outsider1102Llorean: thanks for the help, its neither my software or the ipod that is flawed it is a cord that im using
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11:31:25roolkuoops
11:32:02peturnice score
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11:35:12peturroolku: missing #endif
11:36:02amiconnThe next #if should rather be an #elif iiuc
11:36:08roolku#if #elif
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11:38:52Bagder_11256 is good!
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11:45:01roolkuand with as little effort as a missing "el" :)
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11:46:40Bagderroolku: how's the install procedure on the mrobe100 ? just like the other mi4 targets, like h10?
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11:47:54roolkuBagder: yes, rename OF, copy bootloader to where OF used to be (system directory), extract rockbox.zip
11:48:50Bagderbtw, we already have mrobe100 zip files on the download mirrors ;-)
11:48:59Bagderjust not advertised anywhere
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11:49:15roolkunice
11:49:16BagderI mean, in case you want to offer some testers something
11:50:24roolkuI suppose I could offer it in the forum thread, but I need to point to some written install instructions
11:50:55Bagderyes
11:51:12Bagderbut can't you mostly copy from the h10 wiki page or similar?
11:51:46roolkuit just points to the h10 manual :)
11:51:59Bagderoh, hehe
11:52:39n1scopy an old revision?
11:52:42roolkuthe manual is rather longwinded, dealing with MTP mode, stuff that is not applicable (as far as I know)
11:53:04roolkun1s: I suppose I could try that
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11:56:52markunBagder: can you confirm something for me?
11:57:01BagderI can try!
11:57:19markunI think someone just put wrong info on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port
11:58:25markunit now states that there is a FM chip called Philips TP65452 which I think is in fact the UDA1380 audio chip (which has TPG5452 on it)
11:58:27rasherAlso, a link to disassembled arm code on rapidshare
11:58:32markunhttp://www.soomal.com/xdoc/miniplayer/18a.jpg
11:58:41rasherThats not nice
11:59:19markunrasher: I disassembled that code and told this guy not to post a link because it's copyrighted material...
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11:59:33rasherBrilliant
11:59:36Bagdermarkun: so perhaps exactly that should be noted there about the TPG5452
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12:00:27Bagderits almost impossible to find the actual file in all the ads
12:00:46markunThere is no TP65452 by philips, is there?
12:01:02markunand the 6 is clearly a G in the image
12:02:14Bagderthe only TP65452 google finds is that chip, but it is a G not a 6
12:02:42Bagder(google finds discussion about it on a Russian forum)
12:02:52roolkuBagder: I am trying to find the bootloader for the M:Robe - shouldn't it be under http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ ?
12:03:09Bagderroolku: hm, only if you give me one to put there! ;-)
12:03:21roolkuBagder: or is this for precompiled only
12:03:29Bagderthat's precompiled versions, yes
12:03:33roolkuah, I see , I thought the svn one goes there
12:03:44Bagderno, we don't provide svn built bootloaders
12:04:09roolkuI will compile a fresh one for you
12:05:36markunshall I remove the rapidshare link?
12:05:43Bagderyes, I think so
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12:08:44Bagdera separate page would be good I think
12:08:54Bagderit could mention what targets that have it and more
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12:10:26roolkuBagder: I am trying to dcc send the bootloader
12:10:40Bagdersee PM ;)
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12:13:17Bagderroolku: it is now in bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/
12:13:33Bagderit'll take up to 60 minutes for all mirrors to have it
12:13:53roolkugreat
12:14:57Bagderso once we have a manual build for it we can put it among the other zip downloads
12:15:15Bagderroolku: very nice work!
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12:16:37roolkulowlight did the bulk, I am just helping. :)
12:16:57roolkuI'll get the install instructions on the wiki and then look at the manual
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12:18:39*Domonoky is eager to see the install instructions, so i can add m:robe100 support to rbutil :-)
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12:50:58roolkuDomonoky: I have put them on the wiki http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR100Port#Installation_Instructions_Quick
12:51:56roolkuDomonoky: should be almost identical to the H10 (minus any mtp stuff)
12:52:15roolkuDomonoky: if you want me to test something let me know
12:52:15Domonokysounds easy to add to rbutil...
12:53:30Domonokycan you give us the USB vid and pid of a m:robe100 ? (for autodetection)
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12:56:27roolkuDomonoky: hm, how do I find out (under windows?)
12:56:46rasherroolku: run this: christi/misc/usbids.exe">http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/usbids.exe
12:57:02Domonokythere is a tool for this at the bottom of this site: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection
12:57:17rasherWhich would be the one I pointed him at
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12:57:58Domonoky:-)
12:57:59nicolasmathiasBonjour, hello ;o)
12:58:22Domonokythe display size of m:robe100 is 128x160x2 ?
12:58:35roolkuDomonoky: VID:07B4 PID: 0280
12:58:38gevaertsroolku: once you have them, can you also put them in config-mrobe100.h ? (USB_VENDOR_ID and USB_PRODUCT_ID)
12:59:17roolkuDomonoky: width is 160 and monochrome, so 160x128x1
12:59:34rasherA new combination
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13:00:15roolkurasher: similar to h120, just black and white
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13:00:41mikeageHas anyone noticed very slow performance / unresponsiveness from svn.rockbox.org
13:00:42mikeage?
13:00:49rasherroolku: Yeah, but the combination of monochrome and 160x128 is new
13:01:29amiconnroolku: Btw, do you know the lcd controller type in the mrobe100?
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13:01:45roolkurasher: yes, most of the graphics need to be adapted :(
13:01:56nicolasmathiasI'm a happy rockbox user from paris, france, i'm using the record possibilities offered by rockbox with my ihp120 for years, recording stuff for the french public radio where i am a soound engineer. I'm trying the cf mod and i 'd like to contribute to the twiki with theresults of my experiment with differents cf brands... I registered to do so, but it seems I need some autorisation to add my news... can y
13:02:12amiconnIts command set seem similar, but not identical, to the SSD1815 (and it can't be SSD1815 because that one supports only 132x64x1)
13:02:40Domonokynicolasmathias: tell us your wikiname, and promise not to spam :-)
13:02:46gevaertsnicolasmathias: you got cut of at "my news... can y" due to irc line length limits
13:03:41nicolasmathiasmy wikiname is nicolasmathias
13:04:02nicolasmathiasand i will never spam !
13:04:05rashernicolasmathias: Done
13:04:16nicolasmathiasmerci ;o)
13:04:16roolkuamiconn: I don't (and not on the wiki) - maybe lowlight has an idea
13:04:48amiconnThe mrobe100 lcd driver needs some cleanup and optimisation work
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13:11:17gevaertsroolku: by the way, has the usb stack been tested on mrobe100 yet ?
13:11:24roolkugevaerts: it should be possible to enable the rockbox USB stack for m:robe 100?
13:11:59roolkugevaerts: I was just about to ask that. :) are there instractions what needs to be done to enable it?
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13:13:42gevaertsroolku: it's PP5020, so it should work. Define USE_ROCKBOX_USB USE_HIGH_SPEED somewhere to enable it.
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13:24:09pixelmaBigBambi: around?
13:24:16BigBambiyo
13:24:42Domonokyrbutil in SVN can now install rockbox + bootloader on m:robe100 :-)
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13:30:30roolkuDomonoky: nice. Could you send me binary to test?
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13:31:13roolkuDomonoky: or put it on the wiki so others can benfit as well
13:31:50Domonoky:-) i only have debug builds of rbutil at moment, i need to rebuild my Qt install for a static build..
13:32:51roolkuDomonoky: okay
13:35:07rasherI just discovered an SD card that my sansa won't read. Who would I want to talk to about that?
13:36:41Horschtcard manufacturer :p
13:36:49rasherThe card works.
13:37:46MassaHi everybody!
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13:38:16MassaAnybody here who builds rockbox with cygwin?
13:38:44Buschelyes, but long ago i set it up
13:39:11pixelmayes, me :)
13:39:32Buschelso, pixelma is the one to ask :)
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13:40:03MassaIt did work here for years - but now I have some really strange problems!
13:40:52pixelmaalready suggested something in the dev mailing list
13:41:44Massapixelma: So you're Marianne :-)
13:41:45rasherHrm, seems card->initialized is -219, now to figure out what that means
13:42:30MassaI already read the old IRC thread and also tried something in that direction which lead to even more strange behaviour!
13:42:47pixelmado you use TortoiseSVN?
13:43:47MassaActually not, but to be really sure, I tried to do a fresh checkout with the commandline SVN which fails!
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13:44:43MassaHere's the error: "svn: Can't move 'trunk/tools/ucl/.svn/tmp/entries' to 'trunk/tools/ucl/.svn/entries': Permission denied"
13:45:08*gevaerts will soon have a Gigabeat F and therefore has to read the USB chapters of the S3C2440A datasheet
13:45:25MassaWhen I remove the complete directory structure and reenter the svn checkout command, the error is still there - but on a different location ???
13:48:18rasherOh dear.. sd_init_device is quite a maze with a billion different possible places the error could come from
13:48:42pixelmaMassa: I remember having weird "permission denied" errors with a certain cygwin install. I believe it was amiconn who told me that the cygwin project fixed some bugs related to it recently (not a 100% sure though)
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13:49:15gevaertsrasher: while you're in there, can you fix the write corruption bug ;-)
13:50:18amiconnMassa: That's most often a virus scanner problem
13:50:28Massapixelma: I updated cygwin yesterday evening (the compile errors where there before)
13:51:03mikeagespeaking of cygwin, has anyone had trouble connecting to SVN via cygwin and a proxy?
13:51:13Massapixelma: I try to switch of my Avira Antivir Guard and checkout again...
13:51:35Massamikeage: not tried - no proxy necessary here...
13:51:59rashergevaerts: not a chance. And it seems whoever wrote it didn't bother setting ret to something unique depending on where the error occured
13:52:20mikeagefrom home I have a _very_ slow connection (direct); I'm at work now, and need to use a proxy (a cable machine on comcast), and svn.rockbox.org is timing out
13:53:08amiconnMassa: It can happen even if the virus scanner is disabled. Its kernel driver will still be active (because windows can't unload certain drivers at runtime)
13:53:32amiconnI am experiencing that effect myself from time to time (Kaspersky antivirus here)
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13:56:01Massamikeage: not sure about cygwin, but usually you set "http-proxy-host, http-proxy-port" in "~/.subversion/servers" if you need...
13:56:16mikeagedid that... i can get to other svn servers just fine
13:56:41mikeagebut rockbox is unavailable... tried my US proxy, as well as several proxies from my company
13:56:41LearMassa: I see errors like that sometimes. I just re-run the command again (checkout, update...).
13:57:18mikeageall work just fine to retreive from sourceforge, none work for rockbox.org. OTOH, I just tried telnetting to a different machine and SVNing from there, and it worked just fine
13:57:55Massaamiconn: At least I had luck now - a complete svn checkout without errors happens to me - now I'll try the make again :-)
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13:58:27*amiconn always disables the virus scanner during compilation, because that gives a *huge* speedup here
13:59:12*gevaerts promises not to make the build process download a virus
13:59:42Massaamiconn: pixelma: may the compiling probs have something to do with the "ccache"?
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14:00:17*amiconn wouldn't use ccache on cygwin, because it *slows down* things there
14:00:27amiconnBut otherwise there should be no problems
14:00:29MassaLear: doing a checkout again is not so easy because svn always complains about needing a "svn cleanup" and after that it does............ nothing :-(
14:02:14Massadid I already say that I would still prefer using CVS instead of SVN? I never had such strange problems with CVS (I know it has other pitfalls...)
14:02:34mikeageMassa... it could be worse. Ever try ClearCase? ;)
14:04:04Massamikeage: yes, I had to in a project - it's usage depends on how good the administrator set up the stuff! Was not so bad here...
14:05:06mikeagei use it at work... when everything works, it's not too bad.. . but the fact that it requires a full time admin really says it all...
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14:06:15mikeageactually, for our application (codebase of about 45 components with about 15 parallel releases), it's pretty efficient... it handles large scale projects well, but I still do my personal development at work with a local SVN server
14:06:34*Domonoky also uses ClearCase at works... i dont really like it, but i woudnt know if SVN or like scales as good as clearcase..
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14:07:47Massamikeage: maybe I still don't understand the whole concepts behind svn - but in my oppinion there are really strange ones, which I don't understand.
14:08:22roolkugevaerts: USB stack works (after fixing the detection) - anything in particular you want me to test?
14:08:29Massathe concept of have client side (!) properties instead of server side ones is one of those which I don't understand!
14:08:42Massas/have/having/g
14:08:44rasherMassa: you'd love git. I can tell.
14:09:04rasherThis is all offtopic though.
14:09:14Massarasher: don't know - never tried
14:09:43MassaNo my build is over - and I also did a "make zip" - all worked without problems!
14:09:53Massas/^No/Now/g
14:10:21MassaSo it seems, I also did a TortoiseSVN update at some point in time :-(
14:11:52MassaThanks to everybody for their help - although I still not understand, why the "svn checkout" failed...
14:12:34pixelmamaybe it didn't have to do with Tortoise after all (IIRC przemhb's problem wasn't solved and his case might also have been a virus scan problem?)
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14:13:12Massaamiconn: I'll deinstall the ccache for cygwin - I even don't know when it has been installed ;-)
14:14:24Massapixelma: I don't think so - the "svn checkout" may be a virus scanner problem, but not the "bdf" and not the "cp" problems - these come IMHO because of different line endings...
14:15:34amiconnUsing tortoisesvn in conjunction with cygwin is calling for problems...
14:15:41pixelmaI believe petur uses TortoiseSVN in combination with cygwin (or used to), he had to set cygwin to use crlf too (there must be a wiki page about it)
14:16:16Massahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN
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14:16:55*Domonoky has usesd tortouseSVN with cygwin in the past without problems.. (maybe mixing tortousesvn and cygwins svn is bad ? )
14:16:55MassaBut I don't like using an Unix environment with DOS lineendings. - don't know what other problems this'll cause...
14:17:23MassaDormonoky: what line endings to you use?
14:17:33Massas/to/do/g
14:18:12pixelmaDomonoky: IIRC TortoiseCVS could be set to lr but TortoiseSVN doesn't have that option or something like that
14:18:16DomonokyUnix lineendings, and tortousesvn automagically use the correct ones..
14:19:01*pixelma should read more thoroughly
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14:19:23MassaDormonoky: how should it know that this'll be a directory which you use inisde cygwin?
14:19:28Domonokyat least, i didnt configure tortousesvn, it just worked..
14:20:20ipod6Hi, does anyone know where I can download games for the ipod classic? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
14:20:29MassaDormonoky: I just did a test a few minutes ago and did a fresh checkout with TortoiseSVN - and it had the problems when calling "make zip"!
14:21:05MassaThen I did the same with a fresh checkout made with the cygwin command line svn - which doesn't had that problem
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14:22:03Domonokyi dont know whats worng for ypur install, but it just works for me :-)
14:22:28pixelmaipod6: Rockbox doesn't run on the classic, so games for it must be from a different project. Why do you expect us to know more?
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14:28:09pixelmaroolku: the mrobe100's front looks like one piece (screen and touchpad is "hidden" behind)?
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14:29:22ipod6Thanks, pixelma, I'm a new owner of the ipod and just looking for games to play. The games that I have found on bittorrent are for the older generation ipods, unfortunately. So, I thought I might try here for help.
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14:29:53roolkupixelma: yes the whole front is one piece of clear black plastic - with all lights off it is shiny black with the "m:robe" writing in the centre
14:30:49pixelmahow do you tell where the touchpad "ends"?
14:30:50roolkupixelma: button symbols and screen only show when lit (or you squint and look from the right angle)
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14:31:34roolkupixelma: you can't. Only the individual symbols can be seen
14:32:04pixelmaah hmm... must be weird to operate
14:33:16Massaamicon: I deinstalled the ccache from my cygwin installation - but it still tries to use it
14:33:24roolkupixelma: yes it is :)
14:34:22MassaI removed the "~/.ccache" directory including contents and I also did a new configure - wait: I found the problem
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14:35:00Massashame on /me - I still used "configure −−ccache"
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14:38:32pixelmaroolku: and do I see correctly that it has the volume socket (with remote) and a hold switch on the left side, at the bottom you can plug a charger (maybe USB) and is there something else?
14:39:19pixelmas/volume/headphone
14:40:02gevaertsroolku: If you're using linux, I'm very interested in whether you get many "usb device resets" in your dmesg output while reading from the device, and if changing USB ports on your pc makes a difference there. If you happen to have another PP502x based device, doing the same test on that one would be useful as a comparison.
14:40:05roolkupixelma: yes, audio out (with optional remote connector) on left (top) and hold switch below
14:40:42gevaertsroolku: something similar should be doable on windows. I think you have to look for "error 51" in the event log then (but amiconn can probably help more there)
14:40:49roolkupixelma: it has a power switch on the top side (close to the right)
14:41:40pixelmaah, seen something on a picture but couldn't decide what that should be
14:41:44roolkupixelma: proprietary USB connector at the bottom
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14:42:54roolkupixelma: connector in the center (about 1/3 of the width)
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14:43:25roolkugevaerts: no linux at home - will try to remember taking it to work with me
14:44:09Buschelgevaerts: USE_HIGH_SPEED still doesn't work under windows for me (ipod 5.5G). any ideas?
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14:44:38Acornhmm, is it useful to report things that make rockbox crash?
14:44:46roolkugevaerts: I am getting a few read errors - but that may well be my disk, I had problems with the OF as well
14:45:30gevaertsBuschel: I still blame signal quality, so the only thing I can suggest is trying different ports or a hub.
14:46:15Buschelgevaerts: a pitty... i would love to use it :/
14:46:23Acornwhenever I try and load in rockpaint my player just stops responding :(
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14:46:43pixelmaroolku: ok, thanks. I can imagine it better now, makes it easier to draw the svg
14:47:48gevaertsBuschel: you could try finding the cause of course. Unfortunately we have no real idea of where to look
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14:49:16pixelmaAcorn: what files do you try to load in rockpaint and on what player? I'm guessing an e200 and bmps you loadded with the original firmware's application...
14:49:19roolkupixelma: if you look straight from the front, you don't see any of the things - the silver band that holds the front to the case is slighly (1mm) raised
14:49:27markungevaerts: are you planning to add USB host support eventually? (for the Gigabeat F for example)
14:49:33*amiconn now tends to think that it is some voltage setting
14:50:06amiconnUnfortunately, experimenting with voltages is potentially dangerous
14:50:09Buschelamiconn: you have an ipod for testing? i just got an idea
14:50:16Acornpixelma: h300 .bmp
14:50:30Acornand yes, i just upgraded the firmware, so the format has changed?
14:50:33gevaertsmarkun: I should have a Gigabeat F soon, so if I'm bored I might have a look at it. I already downloaded the needed datasheets and specs ;)
14:50:47amiconnBuschel: Not here; at home...
14:51:26pixelmaAcorn: are those bmps larger than your screen's resolution perhaps (220x176 on the H300)?
14:51:41Buschelamiconn: on my local version the "dock connector pin17" voltage is disabled...
14:52:07Acornwell, it was something i had drawn and saved using rockpaint
14:52:29markungevaerts: we're lucky to have the user manual of the s3c2440 because it was removed from the samsung website only days after I first downloaded it
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14:52:57pixelmaroolku: yes, understood from the pictures but I also used to show a little bit of them still so they can be seen and labelled (to avoid having to draw side views :) )
14:53:39roolkupixelma: fair enough :)
14:54:12gevaertsmarkun: I especially like the USB host description in there : "It's OHCI, here are the register addresses"
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14:54:27amiconnThe PP502x supports USB host as well iiuc (although it might be that there is no hardware present to provide Vbus, making it unusable)
14:54:44pixelmaAcorn: ok, then I'm out of ideas and never really used rockpoint. If you can describe a way to reproduce it's probably better to file a bug report
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14:56:06*pixelma seems to have problems spelling "rockpaint" - once it is rockpoint, before it was "rockpint" (but noticed before hitting enter)...
14:57:21Acornok, just opened rockpaint, drew some lines, saved it as TEST.bmp, then quitted, started up rockpaint, loaded the image, freeze :(
14:58:07gevaertsPP502x host is EHCI based. That's pretty similar to OHCI (iirc, it's 7 or 8 years ago that I really studied those specs). Both are similar in basic concept to how PP device-side works (just a bit more complex of course, host has to do more). s3c2440 device side seems more involved (looks like it does much less in hardware)
14:58:51*amiconn doesn't really understand why there are 2 standards for fullspeed hosts
14:58:55*gevaerts wants use his c250 as a card reader for his gigabeat
14:59:33Acornshould I file a bug report just like that? or first see if someone else can reproduce the problem?
14:59:51gevaertsamiconn: you mean UHCI/OHCI ? I guess mostly politics. EHCI was done to support 2.0 of course
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15:00:03amiconnYes I mean OHCI/UHCI
15:01:20gevaertsWhat's especially interesting is that everyone seems to agree that OHCI is the better spec, yet UHCI is still used in new chips
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15:08:18Acornis the flyspray a separate login from everything else?
15:08:48FebsAcorn: yes.
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15:15:30Acornbug posted to flyspray :)
15:15:40Acorndoes it look ok?
15:23:51Acornis it possible to edit a task you have created? if so, where is the edit button? :(
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15:31:05pixelmaDomonoky: since rbutil can be used to uninstall - does it also "clean" the .rockbox folder or is that something the user would have to do self (just want to know, I'd prefer the latter anyway)
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15:39:42rasherpixelma: I'd expect uninstall to not leave traces behind
15:40:43amiconnI'd say it depends. A user might want to keep individual settings
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15:42:13rasheramiconn: Then he shouldn't use an automated uninstall procedure imho
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15:43:08pixelmarasher: well, ok I don't have a strong opinion on that. The reason I'm asking is that I just want to know what it's doing (trying to find a new structure for the installation instructions as some general things are now buried in the "manual bootloader installation" instructions (like one needs to insert the charger to start the upgrading process on the Iaudios etc.)
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15:45:38pixelmathat's a good point about the automated uninstall, I think
15:46:16rasherIsn't there an "uninstall bootloader" button as well?
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15:48:55pixelmaI think so, was just wondering about what happens to the rest of the build because there is a note about it
15:49:11amiconnLinux package managers (e.q. synaptic) distinguish between uninstalling and purging packages
15:49:26pixelmacurrently I'm more in collecting all the info...
15:50:28rasheramiconn: rbutil is not a linux package manager though
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15:57:00Buschelamiconn: I've just played around with power mangement regarding the USB-sutff. re-enabling dock17 does not make it, also enlarging the voltage of the step-up converter doesn't make it (rockbox does not start then). undoing my changes to the PP-initialization doesn't help either... maybe some register-bit that is not enabled by default does it (GPIO32 or DEV_EN/INIT)?
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16:07:14gevaertsBuschel: I found that high speed doesn't work with the cpu at 30 MHZ, but works (with the noted problems) at 80MHz. The iMX31 spec mentions that the USB device controller communicates with the transceiver at either 30MHz or 60MHz (depending on 8/16 bit width between them). I'm not sure where it gets this clock, but maybe playing with clocks helps ?
16:08:07gevaertsI hope to find out tomorrow what exactly is wrong with the signalling on c250. Hopefully that will provide some hints
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16:09:54Buschelgevaerts: hmm, i'll give this a try. my ipod is configured to run @ 24MHz (unboosted) and 90MHz (boosted)
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16:10:41Buschelgevaerts: during USB-transmission the CPU is boosted, correct?
16:10:58gevaertsBuschel: it should be.
16:12:47gevaertsBuschel: it currently starts boosting in usb_drv_init() and stops in usb_drv_exit() in usb-drv-pp502x.c, so it's boosted for the entire duration of the connection (which is probably wrong for charging-only connections)
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16:42:45Domonokyabout the uninstalling of rockbox in rbutil: it can uninstall the bootloader (where possible), and unistalls rockbox either completly (just deleting the dir) or you select what to uninstall ..
16:43:18Domonokythen it only removes files installed by rbutil, so user settings are kept...
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16:44:28kushal_12_27_200Sometimes, I get "Bad track" message on my Sandisk Sansa c250. What causes a track to be a bad track? I am running the original firmware. Thanks, Kushal
16:45:01rasherkushal_12_27_200: we don't provide support for the official firmware
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16:47:08kushal_12_27_200Thanks, rasher.
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17:11:50pixelmaDomonoky: thanks for the answer, another question: I saw that one has to rename the h10's bootloader file when s/he has a so-called "pure" model - how does rbutil deal with that?
17:14:03Domonokythere is some special handling if the of filename is H10EMP.mi4, but i dont know if it really works..
17:14:30pixelmaok
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17:58:47gevaertsThis "no malloc" thing really makes it necessary to think about design sometimes
17:59:35Domonokywhich is good :-)
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18:00:40pixelmaDomonoky: sorry for all the questions but could you explain briefly how h100/h300 firmware patching works with rbutil?
18:01:39Domonokyfor the h100/h300 bootloader install, it asks the user for a original firmware file, this is then patched and placed on the device.
18:01:56Domonokythen the user has to use the original firmware to "upgrade" the bootloader..
18:03:06pixelmaah ok, so it does the patching and copying the new firmware file at once
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18:04:50Domonoky they are two steps, but it leaves the original file intact, and deletes any temporary file..
18:08:13pixelmanow I'm confused... from the rbutil user point of view, does s/he only have to chose the orginal firmware file and everything else will be done automatically or first chose that, then patching, then copying?
18:09:25Domonokythe user only sees one step... :-)
18:10:10Domonokyjust start bootloader install, select the of file, wait for bootloader install finsihed, and the upgrade with the OF..
18:11:33pixelmaalright, thanks :)
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18:14:19amiconnrasher: Your build server does strange things :(
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18:18:12rasheramiconn: oh, what now?
18:18:33amiconnCheck the build table
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18:18:59rasherJeez
18:19:08rasherI wonder if this is caused by dash
18:19:17rasherOr rather, caused by crappy shell scripts
18:20:17rasherNope, all my fault
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18:21:28rasherShould be fixed now.
18:21:32sidHow do I upgrade?
18:22:00sidI have r14998, for my 30G iPod video, I want to upgrade to the latest, what do I need to do?
18:22:27Domonokysid: just unpack the newest build zip for your player on your device..
18:22:45faemiror use rbutil
18:22:57Domonoky(or if you use rbutil, just use the "install rockbox" button again)
18:24:52*ender` yawns
18:25:17*gevaerts hopes ender` is not writing critical code
18:25:33sidroot@cookooland:/media/IPOD/.rockbox# md5sum rockbox.ipod
18:25:33sid0bd41569ec7c891a01a4b40a1ff95b8d rockbox.ipod
18:25:33sidroot@cookooland:/media/IPOD/.rockbox# md5sum ../rockbox.ipod
18:25:33DBUGEnqueued KICK sid
18:25:33sid89b7fd48bee4de2493d20c9916c225dc ../rockbox.ipod
18:25:40ender`always :)
18:26:09sidAre these files supposed to be the same? the zip didn't overwrite /media/IPOD/rockbox.ipod, do I even need this file can I delete it?
18:26:25krazykitthere shouldn't be a rockbox.ipod outside of the .rockbox directory.
18:26:32Domonokysid: the .ipod file in the root is old..
18:26:54Domonokyyou can delete it, and maybe update the bootloader also, (it could be oo old)
18:27:35sidDomonoky: How do I update the boot loader?
18:27:46Domonokyuse ipodpatcher or rbutil :-)
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18:31:41sidwhat syntax/command do I use with ipodpatcher?
18:32:00Domonokysid: take a look at the manual
18:32:16sidI'm looking at it here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher
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18:33:19sid./ipodpatcher −−add-bootloader rockbox.ipod ? is that right?
18:33:54Domonokythe manual says the right command, i wont read it for you, take look yourself.. :-)
18:34:44sidSo the command I put in here isn't right? the −−add-bootloader?
18:37:00amiconnDomonoky: Does rbutil run on Win9x?
18:37:14CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:37:14*amiconn suspects it won't, without recompilation that is
18:37:19Domonokyi am not sure.. i think nobody tried it..
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18:38:21gevaertsI need to lock a datastructure against concurrent access. Is corelock from thread.h what I'm looking for ?
18:38:25Domonokyfor rbutil itself there shouldnt be many problems on win9x, but maybe the patchers wont work.. (direkt diskacess maybe different)
18:39:37amiconnIt's rather that win9x doesn't support the unicode api
18:39:49amiconn(which qt might even require)
18:40:10Domonokyperhaps it has to be recompiled with a win9x Qt.. ?
18:40:15amiconnThat's why there are 2 fwpatchers (for manual iriver installation)
18:42:35DomonokyTrolltech says normal Qt works on Win98/Me.. so unicode shouldnt really be the problem..
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18:43:13h3av3nhello everyone
18:43:50amiconnOkay, but win9x might still need a separate build
18:44:06h3av3ni have this question: what improvements does rockbox bring?
18:44:17Domonokyjup, when someone should try it, and report the problems..
18:44:26Domonokys/when/then
18:45:43Domonokyh3av3n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
18:46:03h3av3nthanx :)
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18:48:38h3av3nsounds so great ! what were the chances for rockbox to work on an Ipod nano rockchip clone?
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18:49:04Domonokyh3av3n: without much work 0%
18:49:41h3av3ndamn... <scratches head>
18:50:01h3av3nI've found a lot of firmwares for this one but I'm not so sure of how much i can trust those
18:50:15BigBambiWell, that is off-topic here I'm afraid
18:50:31h3av3nyup... sorry for that...
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18:57:35gevaertsThere seem to be two sets of usb_serial.* files in the tree, one (older) for ISP1582, and one using the new PP502x stack. This gives all sorts of fun. What's the best way to resolve this ?
18:58:28markungevaerts: can't you combine them?
18:58:38markunor is that too much work?
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19:01:35markunit's used for the ifp port to do some testing, but I don't think anyone has worked on that port in a while
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19:09:51gevaertsmarkun: it seems to be used from gdb/arm-stub.c, and nowhere else. Any objections to me renaming these to ifp_usb_serial ?
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19:48:24RobbyHi, I'm looking for someone who can add me to the RockBox TWiki writing group. Username is RobertWagner.
19:48:38petursure, just a sec
19:49:42peturRobby: done
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19:50:22RobbyOK Thanks a lot!
19:51:18RobbyI will be back in some minutes to upload some information about a SigmaTel based TrekStor.
19:51:31pixelmapetur: you have an H10 "pure", right?
19:51:40peturyes
19:52:12pixelmahave you ever tried a bootloader installation with rbutil?
19:52:20peturno
19:53:21pixelmahmm, ok. Just wanted to know if it works correctly as it needs an extra step of renaming the file
19:53:50peturI did a manual install
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19:54:17peturalso had the problem that the OF was MTP, not UMS
19:55:18pixelmadid the UMS trick not work?
19:55:39peturit did, but I wanted full UMS ;)
19:56:07pixelma:)
19:56:14peturwhen it's in a silicon skin removing the battery is not that much fun
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20:00:15pixelmabut getting a "pure" to full UMS is probably not important for the initial install and might become obsolete with Rockbox's own USB stack
20:00:32peturyes
20:03:32*gevaerts now enables logf in usb storage to see how it behaves with usb logf
20:08:07gevaertsMy serial logf stops after a while, and I somehow doubt if adding logf() statements in there is a good idea
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20:11:18gevaertsIs corelock in thread.h the right way to go if I need a mutex ?
20:11:49*gevaerts now finds mutex in kernel.h and wonders if that's better
20:12:14peturata.c uses mutex_init and mutex_lock (fwiw)
20:13:29moosgevaerts: jhMikeS is your man
20:14:07gevaertsA bit more reading of the header files suggests that corelock might be an optional feature, needed to implement mutexes on some architectures. I'll try mutex next
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20:16:51thecreatorheeelo.
20:16:53*gevaerts wants to use logf to find this bug but can't because the bug is in the logf code path...
20:17:25thecreatorI've got a quick question. I heard iriver supports rockbox. is there a way to get one pre-installed?
20:17:46*petur is in a similar situation: adding logging removes the issue :/
20:18:20gevaertsIn my case it wouldn't remove the issue. It would either dealock or overflow the stack
20:20:16krazykitthecreator, not really, but it's pretty easy to install.
20:21:02thecreatorso I can buy the iriver, then get it installed? I think there are manuals...?
20:21:19krazykitthecreator, check the front page for the supported players and a link to the manual
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20:21:35thecreatorthanks. will do. I still need to buy it. I was just trying to see if I could be lazy. ;)
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20:22:04gevaertsthecreator: sometimes you can find one on ebay that already has rockbox on it.
20:23:10*thecreator nods.
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20:28:00BigBambithecreator: iriver does not support Rockbox, Rockbox supports some iriver models, so unless it is second hand and the previous owner has already installed rockbox, you will not find it 'pre-installed'
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20:29:06thecreatorthanks. I'll give em a call. their website looks way unaccessible
20:29:28desowinyou're talking about iriver store?
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20:30:10thecreatorI googled iriver and found iriver intertainment.
20:30:15thecreatorthat's the site I went to
20:30:21thecreatorit's all graphics. and.. ug
20:31:02BigBambiIriver the company is pretty anti-rockbox. They say on their website for instance that rockbox voids the warranty
20:31:12thecreatorwtf!
20:31:55BigBambiWell it is possible to permanently brick the H100 and H300 with rockbox
20:32:04thecreatoris there a better moddel to go with? I'd like something around 20 or so gb.
20:32:12BigBambiPersonally I find it understandable
20:32:21BigBambiBetter model than what?
20:32:34LloreanIt pretty much depends on the features you want.
20:32:55*thecreator just wants music. :) I'm not particularly picky
20:33:12LloreanThe Gigabeats and iPods both have somewhat newer players that run Rockbox, and are generally much simpler to install on.
20:33:16BigBambithecreator: Look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
20:33:18LloreanNot that the iRiver installation is difficult.
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20:33:39LloreanBut iPods don't really provide good tactile feedback for blind users. And Gigabeats are only slightly better (if that).
20:34:02thecreatorwill do. thanks. I'm not to worried about installation. I'm sure I can get through it. just trying to find the best moddel.
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20:34:34BigBambiWell, that still depends on what you want
20:35:04BigBambiThe wiki page I linked has main features of each model (hardware wiase) - Rockbox is the same on all models as far as hardware allows
20:35:14thecreatorwhat do you mean what I want? and thanks. I'll check it out
20:35:40BigBambiWhat features yo want
20:35:49BigBambiI know what I want, I don't know what you want
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20:36:42iambenwhat do i do if my sansa e280 won't turn on, even when connected via usb?
20:36:58iambeni hooked it to my PC and it started up, i went to get some food and came back and it was off
20:37:02iambenand now i cant get it to turn back on
20:37:24thecreatorcheck the battery?
20:37:24*thecreator is getting down with "Nickelback - Leader of Men (Acoustic)" (8)
20:37:40thecreatoranyway. thanks for the help. I'll check that wiki
20:37:43*thecreator waves
20:37:43Lloreaniamben: Try holding down the power button for 25 seconds a couple times, maybe it's frozen somewhere black
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20:37:55gevaertsiamben: it might be on, but frozen with backlight off. Try holding the power button for at least 15 seconds, then it should be really off
20:38:10BigBambi1:0 Llorean!
20:38:37iambeni move the scroll wheel and it doesnt light up, i think that means its off
20:38:39*Llorean usually recommends holding the power button for a good deal longer than 15 just in case they count faster than I do.
20:38:45Lloreaniamben: Unless it's frozen...
20:38:54LloreanThe scrollwheel light is still software controlled.
20:39:00iambenoh right =)
20:39:35*gevaerts said "seconds", not "count to 15", but maybe Llorean has a point
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20:41:15Lloreangevaerts: I said seconds too. But many people measure seconds by "how long I think a second is" so I like to be safe. :)
20:41:53LloreanThere've already been a few "I got an illegal instruction at SOMEHEX and I can't turn my device off, I tried holding for 15 seconds" that I've just responded to with "hold it longer" :)
20:43:26*gevaerts admits that he sometimes doesn't hold it long enough himself
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20:46:10iambenyeah it was just locked up, thanks guys
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20:48:06BigBambigevaerts: Good point about the wiki search box, I oftden got that wrong
20:48:31LloreanI'd have to agree, that's a problem.
20:48:39LloreanI got it wrong when I first came here, a *lot*
20:48:48LloreanEven when I knew, I'd forget and try to use it.
20:48:48BigBambiyep
20:49:00BigBambiI still do occasionally
20:49:14gevaertsIt caught me a few times as well. And if you're new, it's easy to assume that the search doesn't work
20:50:02*gevaerts also wonders if the "10000 posts" thread will reach 10000 posts
20:50:20BigBambihah
20:51:14LloreanOur post with the most replies in the whole forum only has 888
20:51:30BigBambiREP?
20:51:35gevaertsThis Go+textbox is also just right of the Search link, which might also confuse matters
20:51:41LloreanI think the Sansa one used to be longer before it was removed, though. It certainly had the most views
20:51:43LloreanBigBambi: Yes.
20:51:53LloreanREP has the most posts, ZVM has the most views
20:51:59LloreanAt 98,265
20:52:05BigBambiblimey
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20:53:57LloreanWe seem to average about 85,000 page views a month total for the forums, it seems.
20:55:30LloreanAnd I'll be the first to admit (or rather, I would be the first to admit, but I think other people have admitted it) that ki's probably right that we need to think of new ways to address some of the problems we have.
20:55:40LloreanThe problem is, I have no new ideas, and the people who say that don't actually suggest anything. =/
20:56:44BigBambiI agree that sometimes it doesn't come across well
20:57:03BigBambiBut the problem is how to police softly, and not have people just take advantage
20:57:58BigBambiOr people cry favouritism (mentioning no names...)
20:58:18LloreanThat's my problem. I see people take advantage all the time, and in the end I find myself having to come down harder on them, because they think they're not doing anything wrong by the time I say something, and they're more resistant to a request to change behaviour.
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21:00:01LloreanIf you don't actually enforce the rules, but say "Hey, we've got these wonderful rules over here, but yeah, you do what you're doing and I'll keep spoon feeding you", the rules don't really matter. =/
21:00:07BigBambiPerhaps a large part is just we can be a bit short when enforcing rules. I know it is hard when it is all the time, but we (read I) could be a little more verbose when enforcing.
21:00:30BigBambiAnd none of us are outright rude, but we can tread the line...
21:00:38LloreanI know I've been rude a few times.
21:00:51LloreanBut, I think, as a percentage of my posts, it's about average for anyone on the forums. :-P
21:00:54BigBambiBut not on first offence I don't think
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21:01:12LloreanOh, never on a first offence unless I'm ill or having a really bad day and don't manage to stop myself.
21:01:14BigBambiOnly if someone is blatantly disregarding, arguing, etc.
21:01:37LloreanOne problem is that quite often public people don't see first offenses anyway.
21:01:47LloreanAnd I have a bad habit of using the actual "delete" button. =/
21:01:49BigBambitrue
21:01:58BigBambiLlorean: boo! :)
21:02:30BigBambiI think it is good not having one of those
21:02:40BigBambi(personally)
21:02:48LloreanWe didn't have a "trash" forum when I started. I'm working on breaking the habit though.
21:02:53BigBambi:)
21:03:05LloreanWell, some threads can be deleted outright. Real spam, for example.
21:03:15BigBambiOh, certainly
21:03:17LloreanI need to go in and clean up the "Spam" forum soon.
21:03:40LloreanAnd posts where the OP requests that their thread be removed are often save for permanent deletion
21:03:45LloreanEr safe
21:04:16LloreanBut I kept the "delete" button out of the hands of as many people as possible for the very reasons I shouldn't use it, it's nice to have a papertrail and reference for each other.
21:04:19BigBambiYes, the majority can, it is just nice to have a sort of recycle bin for a week or two in case of mistakes etc.
21:04:56BigBambiI know I have 'deleted' something by mistake then reinstated it
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21:05:09LloreanLike in the 10,000 posts thread recently, when everyone thought he was upset about the question of what donation gets you. The actual thread shows no anger, and I'm quite certain he was upset about its removal more than expectations regarding donations.
21:05:26BigBambiyep
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21:08:33iambenive been out of the loop for a few months, whats the status on usb connectivity?
21:09:04gevaertsiamben: in progress, but not ready yet
21:10:04Lloreangevaerts: I remember seeing you mention at some point needing a comparison between an iPod and a non-iPod. I have an iPod Nano, Sansa c200, Sansa e200, Gigabeat S (no Rockbox on it yet). As well, I can get access to an iPod 5G if necessary.
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21:10:31LloreanUnfortunately right now, I'm on a windows box that I can't compile on, as both of my linux computers are suffering various hardware failures. =/
21:11:22faemirLlorean: high five for hardware failures. My third harddrive in 3 months just failed.
21:11:46gevaertsiamben: there are a few problems left : (1) signal quality, (2) a bug in the sansa flash driver that only seems to show up when using USB that causes data corruption, and (3) mac osx 10.5 doesn't like it (it crashes)
21:12:06Lloreanfaemir: One's the power socket on a laptop, which is under warranty so I don't have to do any exploring. The other is unknown at the moment. After the move, the computer made a grinding noise, shuddered, and died. Sounded more like a fan than anything though, so I'm hoping it's that, and a motherboard safety.
21:12:30faemirI hate hardware failure D=
21:14:44gevaertsLlorean: we're still looking for the cause of this signal quality issue, and collecting data from different PP502x players might help, especially if they are tested on the same USB port (which basically means by the same person), since different USB ports seem to have very different tolerance to the issues.
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21:16:31jhMikeSgevaerts: corelock (pure spinlock)/struct spinlock (non-yielding reenterable lock)...bad names :p...are multiprocessor only items for processor core-wise synchronization
21:16:34Lloreangevaerts: Do we take data with the player, or from a PC side application?
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21:18:11gevaertsLlorean: what I do is read a known amount of data (say, 100 MB using dd) and see how often I get USB device resets in the dmesg output. I believe you can get comparable data from counting "error 51" in the windows event log, but I'm not sure.
21:19:06faemirhow hard is it to modify the new default rockbox theme to make the icons along the bottom smaller?
21:19:14gevaertsLlorean: a certain way to see if you have signal quality problems is to compare PC fromt USB ports and back USB ports. If back ports consistently work better, your player has bad signals (and your PC has bad front ports, but that's another issue)
21:19:21BigBambifaemir: Not too bad :)
21:19:49BigBambifaemir: The icons are just bmp files, so you can change them to whatever you want
21:19:57faemirBigBambi: I mean, what would I have to do? I've never themed or anything before. I like the theme enough to use it, except the icons are waaaaaaay too big.
21:20:01faemiroh ok
21:20:07faemirIs that all I have to do?
21:20:15BigBambiYep
21:20:17faemirwoot
21:20:19faemir:D
21:20:40BigBambiHave a look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
21:20:43faemirBigBambi: do you update rockbox daily?
21:20:52faemirI am about to now.
21:21:00gevaertsjhMikeS: I was thinking someting similar from reading the header files. I just need to modify some data that might be accessed by different threads safely. Does struct mutex work for that ?
21:21:01BigBambifaemir: That depends on which target and what is going on
21:21:16faemirBigBambi: that page doesn't exist D=
21:21:16BigBambiSometimes multiple times per day, sometimes not for a while
21:21:25Lloreangevaerts: Well, I just have a laptop to test with. Well, and a PS3.
21:21:27BigBambiSorry,www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS
21:22:02faemirI'm so gonna make my own theme >=)
21:22:05BigBambiCool
21:22:06gevaertsLlorean: actually, I'm interested in what happens with the PS3
21:23:16Lloreangevaerts: Well, I won't be able to do tests with a PS3 for a day or two, probably. It's still packed somewhere, but as long as it's not suffering hardware failure, remind me and I'll do it. :)
21:23:38gevaertsOK. I'll try to remember
21:23:42LloreanMe too.
21:23:45LloreanWhy's the PS3 interesting?
21:24:11GodEaterit has shit power supply to it's usb ports in my experience
21:24:21faemirBigBambi: isn't it a bit silly to download the manual to ipod in rbutil when it can only do pdf or html in a zip? =/
21:24:31gevaertsBecause no one has tested the stack with it yet
21:24:33soapFor a forum cleanup it would be interesting to have a "moderation by consensus" function. Move all posts of questionable value to one area where they get "voted" on (based on perceived merit) by the staff. Ubermods could exercise veto powers.
21:24:56GodEatergevaerts: I can test that right now if you want
21:25:07BigBambifaemir: Well that way you carry it with you so you can look at it on any PC even without net connection
21:25:08gevaertsGo ahead I'd say
21:25:12GodEaterI assume you want both native "PS3 OS" and running linux ?
21:25:34gevaertsThat's probably best. Running linux gives some sort of baseline
21:25:47faemirBigBambi: what about say reading it on your ipod? XD
21:26:03jhMikeSgevearts: that's what it's for and for thread context only
21:26:23GodEatergevaerts: I've not updated by build since Friday - should I update ?
21:26:27GodEaters/by/my
21:26:36*gevaerts checks the svn log
21:27:09GodEaterLlorean: I thought you said your PS3 was packed away ?
21:27:38Lloreansoap: So a "To be voted on" forum and an "Old, gone" forum, both hidden from public view?
21:28:10gevaertsGodEater: depends on when friday. r16457 is the last change that might influence behaviour I think.
21:28:21GodEaterI'll update to be safe then
21:28:30LloreanGodEater: "Packed away" meaning "Hooked up and folding, but at a location I'm not" technically. I'm picking it up in a day or two.
21:28:44BigBambiBy the time it has been voted on won't it be a bit late? To the poster it looks deleted anyway
21:28:47GodEaterLlorean: I did wonder how it could be logged in from inside a box ;)
21:28:54Llorean:)
21:29:14LloreanSorry, everything I don't have access to right now is, in my mind, "Packed away".
21:29:53GodEaterI was about to break some bad news
21:29:59GodEater"Llorean, your PS3 has been stolen"
21:30:03LloreanHahaha.
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21:30:21scorchesoap: forum cleanups usually tend to end up half done due to the sheer number of posts that have to be dealt with
21:30:32*GodEater wonders if there any other fellow rockboxers with PS3s he could add as friends
21:30:35Lloreanscorche: I was suggesting a rolling cleanup.
21:30:56scorchein what sort of way?
21:31:06LloreanBasically, make these new forums available, and any time someone is bored, they can move a few old or "repeat" posts there.
21:31:36LloreanBasically, anything over 2 weeks old is fair game, and any posts that don't add anything (all content is in the manual, or all questions are answered in the manual) can be moved to a hidden, unsearchable archive.
21:31:47LloreanThe goal being to make search results more relevant, over time.
21:32:20BigBambiLlorean: Are the really old archived pre new-layout forums still required? I'm willing to bet some people search wihout excluding them
21:33:14scorcheheh...that would be the half done section
21:33:17LloreanBigBambi: Not any more, I think.
21:33:22LloreanI was planning on hiding that first.
21:33:47BigBambiI think they can be hidden from general view quite happily
21:35:52LloreanOriginally I kept them around to ease the transition, but now I'm quite sure if I hide them, I'll just get PMed with "Why was this thread I'd bookmarked removed" if someone cares.
21:36:21BigBambiIf they are looking at info from back then I think they are in trouble
21:36:27GodEaterLlorean: the answer to which is "because you didn't move it into the wiki in time" :)
21:36:27BigBambilooking/in need of
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21:39:13LloreanGodEater: Hahaha, very possibly. :)
21:39:56GodEaterwell we've always said it's not the place for static information
21:40:07GodEaterpeople should really come to expect stuff to start disppearing
21:40:13GodEaterotherwise it looks like we're lying :D
21:40:34*gevaerts doesn't see what's wrong in this usb-logf code. Maybe just commit it and wait until someone needs it badly enough to fix it
21:40:38LloreanYeah, there are a few info-posts I don't think I got around to getting back to and removing.
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21:44:28Cheekyfellahello
21:44:46Cheekyfellais there anyone here you can help me - i've got a small problem
21:45:09krazykitonly if you say what it is
21:46:02Cheekyfellaok i'm pretty new at rockbox - just installed it on my ipod video and much prefer it - however, when i view a jpeg i can't seem to get out of it
21:46:14Cheekyfellaevery button i press either zooms in or out
21:46:35krazykitthey keymap for that should be in the manual; i'm not familiar with the ipod, really
21:47:29Cheekyfellahmm been looking through the manual and can't find anything on viewing jpegs
21:49:48gevaertsCheekyfella: I think it's somewhere in the Plugins chapter
21:50:34BigBambiCheekyfella: I see it: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1820009.3.2
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21:53:24Cheekyfellasplendid it would have taken me an age to find that! It works! Thank you!
21:53:51GodEatergevaerts: http://pastebin.com/med96083
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21:54:11scorcheCheekyfella: the manual can be searched as well...a search for "jpeg" would have found it quite easily
21:54:16Cheekyfellajust want to say that rockbox does smack and thank you to all the developers out there that make it work - i hate itunes and hate the way it creates its on folders and stuff and therefore screwing up my very organised folder system
21:54:18GodEatergevaerts: that's without even trying to mount it
21:54:29soapscorche, that is why a "vote off the island" approach would help.
21:54:32Cheekyfellarockbox smacks it
21:54:36Cheekyfellathanks!
21:54:48BigBambiDoes smack?
21:54:51*BigBambi is confused
21:54:54Cheekyfelladoes smack it
21:54:59BigBambiIs that good or bad?
21:54:59GodEaterI think that means it's good
21:55:03Cheekyfellasorry typing too fast
21:55:03Cheekyfellavery good
21:55:07BigBambiOh, good
21:55:13soapvoting allows you to passively remove posts w/o discussion and without one sourpuss removing valid posts.
21:55:17Cheekyfellalondon slang sorry
21:55:20soapmaking cleanup easy.
21:55:32*BigBambi has never heard it
21:55:41Cheekyfellawhere are you from?
21:55:41BigBambiAnyway, off topic
21:55:47BigBambiNear london
21:55:48Cheekyfellayes sorry
21:55:51Cheekyfellaoh right
21:56:03BigBambiAnyway, glad you like it
21:56:18Cheekyfellai do thanks
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21:56:45*GodEater thinks the log supports his "sucky power to usb ports on ps3" theory
21:56:53gevaertsGodEater: looks like horrible signal quality to me. Let's try again when that is solved
21:57:00*gevaerts agrees
21:57:17GodEaterdon't get it with the OF
21:57:25GodEaterI assume you knew that though ;)
21:57:29LloreanGodEater: I have a USB powered HD running off a PS3 USB port without problems, I watch movies off it.
21:57:32gevaertsI assumed that, yes
21:57:43GodEaterLlorean: must just be mine then
21:57:46*Llorean wonders if it's a difference between the good US PS3s, and the crappy euro PS3s.
21:57:47Cheekyfellacan i just ask another quick question i downloaded and installed this theme on my ipod - DGT1.4 and it doesn't seem to be working
21:57:55Cheekyfellait is an ipod theme or not?
21:57:56GodEaterI can only run usb powered things if I plug them in in the right order
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21:58:06BigBambiCheekyfella: Where is it from?
21:58:18Cheekyfellahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#DGT1_4
21:58:28GodEaterLlorean: for instance, I have to have the keyboard on the right most port, then the ipod, and then the mouse
21:58:31BigBambiWhich iPod do you have?
21:58:34LloreanGodEater: Well, I only have one plugged in. I'll have to remember to test a USB build once I get it back in my possession.
21:58:36GodEaterotherwise not all the devices get power
21:58:41Cheekyfellaipod video 80 gig
21:58:47BigBambiThen no
21:58:48LloreanOh, I've never had problem with keyboard/mouse at all.
21:58:59Cheekyfellagrr looked like a good theme
21:59:01BigBambiThat is for the iRiver H300 (and others with the same size screen)
21:59:01GodEaterI don't get it if the ipod isn't plugged in
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21:59:10Cheekyfellaoh well thanks anyway
21:59:10LloreanAnyway, not really relevant here, I suppose
21:59:16GodEaterprobably not
21:59:18BigBambiCheekyfella: The name of the page was a clue :)
21:59:33Cheekyfellayeah only realised that when i copied and pasted it
21:59:36Cheekyfelladoh
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22:00:04BigBambiCheck rockbox-themes.cleansoap.org and www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsGallery
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22:00:42BigBambiBut many may not work - they will either require patches or are out of date
22:01:11GodEatermight prove relevant eventually Llorean - as it's clearly the worst USB host we've found so far in terms of signal
22:01:22GodEaterwell - worst that doesn't completely hose the host OS anyway
22:01:54LloreanHehehe
22:02:03LloreanThat's true, your PS3 might be an ideal testing platform.
22:02:06Cheekyfella@bigbambi in that link you just gave me what should i then goto? as ipod vedio 80 gig isn't an option
22:02:17BigBambiJust ipod video
22:02:21Cheekyfellajust ipod video - 5g
22:02:24BigBambiyep
22:02:32BigBambiThey have the same screen size
22:02:37GodEaterLlorean: we should get linuxstb to test on his too
22:02:40GodEaterhe has the same model as me
22:02:49LloreanGood idea.
22:02:49Cheekyfellaoh right cool
22:03:04Cheekyfellathank you! right i'm off thanks for all your help!
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22:07:05linuxstbGodEater: I've just connected my ipod to my PS3 - works fine...
22:07:16GodEatershow off
22:07:18GodEater:)
22:07:24GodEaterI must have a crappy PS3
22:07:32*linuxstb shrugs
22:07:49linuxstbAt least, it read the partition table without any resets - I'm just going to do a read test now
22:09:30gevaertsrasher's build server scores again
22:10:12linuxstbIt seems to be better than my PC - it read a 300MB directory without any resets at all...
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22:12:54gevaertsAnd your PC is already better than average...
22:13:16linuxstbI know :)
22:13:39gevaertsWhich makes you useless for testing ;-)
22:13:45linuxstbStill going - 4th copy of the same directory, and still no resets.
22:13:50Davide-NYCjhMikeS: ping (hardware repair question)
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22:18:11LearjhMikeS: Backlight response is kind of sluggish nowdays, possibly after r16444. Any idea on something simple I could try?
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22:25:03webguest36hi i'm trying to install rockbox on my ipod but when it reboots it doesn't start rockbox it just stays in the apple logo. i tried to install it again because the last time i turned it on it didn't start. i was working perfectly before.
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22:31:54linuxstbwebguest36: What did you do to try and install it again? It sounds like your bootloader installation is now broken.
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22:34:18roolkuwell, that would have been too easy...
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22:34:29gevaertscould someone review firmware/usbstack/usb_serial.c ? It stops sending data after a while, and I can't seem to figure out why.
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22:36:05barrywardellgevaerts: sorry I had to disappear in a hurry on Friday - had no internet access all weekend.
22:36:50gevaertsbarrywardell: no problem. I just have to remember what was going on then...
22:36:59barrywardellgevaerts: I've tested latest svn and it still kills my mac (as you can tell by the amount of times I've had to reboot and reconnect to irc in the past few minutes)
22:37:21bertrikgevaerts: what OS are you testing usb serial on? usbserial.sys has some issues with packets that are exactly the size of an usb packet
22:37:51gevaertsbarrywardell: Are you using high speed ? maybe try full speed
22:37:52barrywardellI tried removing that usb_drv_stall line you suggested and still no luck. any suggestions?
22:38:25barrywardellyeah, high speed. I also no longer get a disk even detected. It detected but failed to mount before
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22:38:31barrywardellI'll try full speed now
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22:39:11barrywardellit was commit 16448 that caused the problem btw.
22:39:14gevaertsbertrik: I'm on linux, but packet size shouldn't be an issue here. It also fails after a while when the sent packets are limited to 128 bytes (on high speed)
22:40:30gevaertsbarrywardell: did you try later revisions as well ?
22:40:55barrywardellgevaerts: yes, I've been trying latest svn just now with the same result
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22:42:20amiconnHmm. That solution for the m:robe100 colours still needs some work
22:42:34jhMikeSDavide-NYC: what sort of?
22:43:16jhMikeSLear: I know. The backlight thread priority is too low for things as they are atm.
22:43:25Davide-NYCHi, I have a headphone jack issue on an iAudio X5. Not sure if this is right place to talk about it though.
22:43:43jhMikeSPM?
22:43:58cggevaerts: probably not related, but i cant understand the logic on line 85-86 (the MIN() usage)
22:44:22gevaertsbarrywardell: we'll see what full speed gives
22:44:58amiconnIt's an incomplete hack (I am thinking about moving the colours into the target config files, making them consistent between screenshot & sim)
22:45:07cgcould not the MIN(length,available_space) on line 86 be replaced with just length there?
22:45:26Lloreanamiconn: Sounds like a good idea
22:45:28amiconnAlso, the current solution will cause the greyscale lib display to be negative on mr100
22:45:41amiconnIn the sim, that is
22:46:13gevaertscg: good spot. The second MIN() is indeed redundant
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22:46:33*amiconn has another idea how that could be handled, which would at the same time add simulation of lcd_invert
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22:49:18gevaertsFurther testing does show that it might be host-side or bus reset related. I'll look further in that direction
22:49:27pixelmarasher's server makes the build table look... interesting... :)
22:49:39rasherWhat, still?
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22:50:18*amiconn wonders what the heck rasher is doing with (or to?) his server
22:50:41rasherI switched rbclient's shell to dash, but apparently failed to make PATH be set properly
22:51:22amiconnWhy not just stick to the quasi-standard, bash?
22:51:47*gevaerts is now testing on full speed
22:52:42rasheramiconn: To expose errors.
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22:53:02rasherThese are not the errors I had in mind though..
22:53:04gevaertsrasher: that seems to work ;)
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22:54:10roolkumake[1]: arm-elf-gcc: Command not found ?? not my fault (i hope)
22:54:16gevaertsbarrywardell: Does this disconnect mean it's still not working ?
22:54:25barrywardellyep :(
22:54:36rasherroolku: my server's a bit broken
22:54:36barrywardellthat was at full speed
22:55:01barrywardellgevaerts: the problem only happens as I disconnect my H10. as long as I leave it connected, I'm fine
22:55:35gevaertsbarrywardell: fine as in "it doesn't crash" or fine as in "it sees the device" ?
22:55:48barrywardellfine as in it doesn't crash
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22:57:17pikhqI seem to have come across a bit of a bug on my Sansa e200. . .
22:57:39pikhqI just installed the latest Rockbox build, and now, whenever I plug my Sansa in, the screen shuts off.
22:58:31gevaertsbarrywardell: and this started on 16448 ? Did it see the device before that, or did it just not crash ?
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22:59:51barrywardellyes. it saw the device and didn't crash before r16448. it also seemed to manage to read the partition table, but didn't get as far as being able to mount the device
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23:00:12gevaertspikhq: there seems to be an issue on sansa that makes some builds fail on reboot, and others not. As far as I understand, it's not clear why. The best thing you can do is just try another revision.
23:00:28gevaertsbarrywardell: I'm re-reading the diff
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23:00:51pixelmapikhq: or just connect the player to USB from an off state
23:01:31barrywardellgevaerts: now it detects the composite (but not mass storage) device
23:02:31gevaertscomposite ? Unless you have serial enabled on the latest revisions, it should only see mass storage...
23:02:59*pikhq wonders how the work on USB is going. . .
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23:05:42roolkuamiconn: moving the colours to the config files might be an idea, it is bit of a mess with the byte order (the bmp structure needs them inverted)
23:05:50gevaertsbarrywardell: could you try just removing all usb_drv_stall() calls from usb_storage.c ? Those are optional according to my reading of the spec. The other changes should all be correct...
23:06:27barrywardellgevaerts: OK, I'll try that now
23:07:01amiconnroolku: The R, G and B values need to be handled separately (I am thinking about putting them into a string, separated by commas, in order to avoid having 6 #defines
23:07:03gevaertspikhq: we're currently stuck on three issues : (1) bad signal quality, (2) a bug in the sansa flash driver that only seems to show up when using USB that causes data corruption, and (3) mac osx 10.5 doesn't like it (the mac crashes when unplugging)
23:07:22amiconnThen that string can be used as an argument to various other macros
23:07:25pikhqGalois: Quite a few frankly bizarre issues. ;)
23:08:12*gevaerts assumes pikhq uses tab-completion
23:08:21*pikhq does
23:08:24pikhqAnd it shows. XD\
23:08:27stripwaxgevaerts - any idea about the occasional data abort I saw before?
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23:09:32gevaertsstripwax: I haven't seen it here, but there have been some alignment-related fixes over time
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23:11:25gevaertspikhq: once (1) and (3) are fixed, we can probably enable it on non-sansa.
23:11:33roolkuamiconn: a hex string like "ff00ff"? could mean some complex macros, but feasable I suppose...why a string, wouldn be a 6 digit hex number be easier? mask the bytes out with shifts and ands?
23:12:21pikhqToo bad I'm on Sansa, then.
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23:12:43pikhqAh well; guess I'm not in too much of a position to complain.
23:12:53TheBasharCan anyone point me to where I can find info on the buffer debug screen. Google isn't finding it for me. I'm trying to find a way to reliably reproduce fs#8455.
23:12:53amiconnNo, I just mean the equivalent of what uisdl.h currently uses
23:13:02gevaertspikhq: I'm on sansa as well...
23:13:07pikhqMaybe if I bother setting up a cross-compiler and start fiddling around, though. . .
23:13:16amiconn#define LCD_FGCOLOR 0, 0, 0
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23:13:51amiconnIt's fairly simple to extract the individual colour members from that
23:14:23amiconnA hex value would work equally well, by shifting & masking
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23:16:05amiconnI also think that the "natural" display inversion should be a definable flag, not determined by defining a foreground and background colour
23:16:44*gevaerts now compiled with -DLOGF_ENABLE for ultimate usb-serial stresstesting
23:16:57amiconnSo the config-*.h files would be extended by 2 new values at maximum, a backlight colour (for non-colour LCDs), and a flag, e.g. LCD_NEGATIVE
23:16:59roolkuamiconn: it is not quite an inversion - the black background turns reddish and the silver forground turns bright red
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23:17:57roolkuamiconn: I tried you suggestion first, but thought the current way would be more flexible
23:18:06amiconnIt's an inversion in the sense that the set pixels are brighter than the background pixels, i.e. the opposite of the normal non-colour targets
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23:18:23amiconnThe fact that the black pixels are not completely black is a non-ideal contrast, as known for LCDs
23:19:34amiconnIt might be slightly more flexible in the sense that we can also simulate the non-ideal behaviour of the display. I don't think this is a good idea
23:19:39roolkuI suppose it is a question how realistic a look we want
23:19:50amiconnBut the disadvantage is that it inverts *everything*, i.e. also the greylib
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23:20:15amiconnAnd you certainly don't want to view your photos as photographic negatives...
23:20:22*Bagder spots "the most recent build took 3mins 59secs" ...
23:20:49*gevaerts is proud to have triggered that build
23:20:55amiconnA separate inversion flag would avoid that
23:20:58Bagderwell triggered!
23:21:52roolkuamiconn: but this is a feature of the display as well, isn't it? the fact that forground is brighter than background?
23:22:17amiconnYes, so the greyscale lib has to adjust for it. Easy on target, but needs extra hint for the sim
23:22:22roolkuamiconn: so the lib would deal with that already
23:22:42amiconnThe lib will not handle it itself
23:23:02amiconnThe handling would happen in lcd_grey_phase_blit() - dead trivial, but target only
23:23:47amiconnAnd even if the lib would handle it internally, it would still need a hint. Imho it makes sense to have this info in the platform config file then
23:23:58roolkuand I take it the screen dump works on the unprocessed argument..I see
23:24:00rasherBagder: seems things are faster without my buildserver. Might as well disable it entirely then
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23:24:18Bagderhehe
23:24:34Bagderwell, it varies over time and it's not easy to tell exactly why
23:25:10gevaertsAs long as those servers are not dedicated, there's bound to be some variation in system load
23:25:22Bagderindeed
23:25:49roolkuamiconn: I had a look at the blit function, but without controller docs it seems quite tricky to do - the update function is a nested loop, so using these commands is probably too slow?
23:26:04amiconn?
23:26:45roolkulet me look the names up...
23:28:09*rasher further breaks things
23:28:24rasherAt least it's not building now, so the table will be unharmed
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23:30:28gevaertsbarrywardell: no success ?
23:30:32barrywardellgevaerts: removing the stalls makes my mac no longer lock up on disconnect :)
23:31:12roolkuamiconn: if I understand correctly the lcd_blit and lcd_grey_phase_blit transfer a memory copy of the frambuffer to the controller without breaking it into individual pixels
23:31:24gevaertsThat's good news. Now I just have to test if Windows still connects properly then. I'll do that tomorrow
23:31:37amiconnno
23:32:01amiconnlcd_blit works just like lcd_update, but from a caller provided buffer instead of the standard framebuffer
23:32:53amiconnlcd_grey_phase_blit is a little more complex: it reads from the greybuffers (phases and values), and calculates the next pixel value (ste or unset) using a bresenham-like algorithm
23:33:23barrywardellgevaerts: I you need me to, I can see if it's necessary to remove them all. It would require a lot of reboots and would be very time consuming though so I won't do it unless you think it's necessary
23:33:24amiconnIt then packs those pixels and writes them to the lcd controller, without intermediate storage
23:33:35roolkuah, okay
23:33:43barrywardellgevaerts: I can test with windows in a vm on my mac now...
23:34:07amiconnThe structure off all these 3 (lcd_update_rect(), lcd_blit() and lcd_grey_phase_blit()) is very similar
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23:34:51amiconnBut the driver could need a bit of optimisation anyway, and it should be possible to figure out the controller type
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23:35:12amiconnThe command set is very similar to the SSD1815
23:35:51GrooveStixhey folks, I got a question :)
23:36:07gevaertsbarrywardell: I would like to keep the stall() on line 769 (the last one), and those on lines 306 and 307 (in case WAITING_FOR_COMMAND). If I'm not forgetting anything all others are optional in the spec.
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23:36:12GrooveStixI got a Gigabeat F10, and my HDD died, so I wanted to replace it... I was looking at the MK2004GAL ones(20 gigs), but is it possible to get one with even bigger capacity ? what can I use with my f10 ?
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23:37:02roolkulowlight aparently emailed the manufacturer of the display and they claimed it was a proprietary controller
23:37:20gevaertsbarrywardell: if that windows test succeeds (with the 3 stalls I mentionned put back), feel free to commit that
23:37:43barrywardellgevaerts: ok, I'll do some testing now and report back
23:38:16scorcheGrooveStix: well, you can get larger, but without the bigger backplate, you will only be able to fit single platter drives in
23:38:53GrooveStixscorche: as in the same size as the last one, right?
23:38:58*amiconn would probably try to find a MK4007GAL
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23:39:44amiconnThese are not easy to find though
23:40:07GrooveStixyea, nothing on eBay
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23:41:13GrooveStixplus the MK4007GAL goes for over $150 which is a lot
23:45:00amiconnYou can use all the drives with 50-Pin interface and single platter (5mm height), see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#1_8_Drive_Comparison
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23:45:54TheBasharCan anyone briefly explain the meaning of any of the following buffer debug screen items: pcm (fraction), alloc (frac), usefl (frac), data_rem, pcmbufdesc?
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23:47:07LloreanTheBashar: They really aren't useful information unless you know the code they relate to. Briefly, they provide information about how the buffer is being used by the playback code.
23:47:30cggevaerts: just a theory, not sure if something like this could really happen... if sendout() is called from usb_serial_control_request and usb_drv_send_nonblocking() immediately results in usb_serial_transfer_complete() busy_sending might be left true
23:47:40GrooveStixamiconn: you're God! thanks!
23:47:48TheBasharLlorean: I'm trying to reproduce buffering bug fs#8455 and I thought understanding some of those might help.
23:48:36barrywardellgevaerts: leaving those 3 stalls in doesn't appear to cause any problems on my mac
23:49:12cggevaerts: because usb_serial_control does not use the mutex and sendout() sets busy_sending true only after call tousb_drv_send_nonblocking()
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23:50:33bobbie>< I need help with the rockbox
23:50:35gevaertscg: usb_serial_control_request and usb_serial_transfer_complete can't be called at the same time (they are in the same thread). The mutex should probably be there though. Anyway, I think it's the linux usbserial driver reacting badly to the bad signal quality. It seems to work fine at full speed
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23:51:37pixelmayeah...
23:51:43cggevaerts: ok
23:52:49gevaertsbarrywardell: That was mostly expected, since the only happen on real errors (i.e. the host does something wrong, as opposed to the host does something we can't deal with right now as in the other cases)
23:53:00gevaertsbarrywardell: good to see it confirmed though
23:53:14GrooveStixamiconn: maybe that page you gave me, should go onto http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort under some sort of "if your HDD is faulty" or "if you want to upgrade your HDD"
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23:53:37*amiconn wonders whether one of the bigger ipods (PP502x) can be run while being open, so that it would be possible to measure voltages at the output pins of the various voltage regulators
23:53:45amiconn(PCF50605, TEA1211)
23:54:00GrooveStixor simply under " Hardware Information" ?
23:55:14*gevaerts waits for a big-ipod owner to volunteer
23:55:45amiconnThen this would need to be done with the OF in usb mode, and rockbox afterwards
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23:57:15Soap_volunteer what gevaerts?
23:57:27Soap_and is a 60GB 5th gen a "big-ipod"?
23:57:29amiconnI would guess that the best candidates would be a G4 greyscale or colour
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23:58:12scorcheis it still desired to *possibly* move the forums to another host?
23:58:23amiconnThe later ones are miniatuurized further, and the Minis can't be operated while being open (touchwheel must be disconnected while disassembling)
23:58:28Soap_and are you refering to running open to monitor voltages?
23:58:42amiconnyes
23:58:54amiconnI have an open 1st Gen, but that's useless wrt the usb problems

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