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| 00:04:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: I expect I was talking about the ffmpeg Cook decoder - so no license issues... |
| 00:05:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, well then. |
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| 00:10:21 | TheBashar | Llorean: Thanks for pointing me to the check-in yesterday for FS #8455. I've posted my observations there. |
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| 00:17:46 | * | gevaerts is confused |
| 00:18:05 | Beta2K | Is that abnormal? |
| 00:18:31 | * | gevaerts slaps Beta2K |
| 00:19:10 | gevaerts | Why does linux only see my sansa after I have run lsusb ? "I haven't changed anything !" |
| 00:19:57 | Beta2K | Well I'd tell you, but you just smacked me |
| 00:20:35 | * | gevaerts aplogises and gives Beta2K a cookie |
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| 00:25:39 | iok | Could anybody please point me to a (wiki?) page where I can read about the state of the USB stack in Rockbox? |
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| 00:28:04 | gevaerts | iok: there is no wiki page about it, but http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 has some information (look at the last entry). What's not mentionned there (but somewhat implied) is that we have signal quality issues. |
| 00:28:05 | desowin | iok: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8562 and of course svn commits on front page |
| 00:28:08 | Llorean | iok: I don't know if there's anywhere documenting the exact state. |
| 00:28:25 | * | gevaerts documents its state on demand |
| 00:29:52 | gevaerts | iok: short summary : it's not ready yet, but depending on your player, operating system, and PC it may be usable for you |
| 00:29:55 | iok | desowin: yes, I saw the commit comments but it's hard to build the whole picture if you haven't followed the history from the beginning |
| 00:30:45 | iok | gevaerts: what about sansa e200? Would you recomment to still use the OF for music transfer? |
| 00:31:37 | desowin | OF |
| 00:31:57 | Llorean | If we were ready to recommend its use, we'd enable it. |
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| 00:32:53 | iok | Llorean: yes, that's what I also thought. And there is no entry in the 'major changes' list :-) |
| 00:32:54 | gevaerts | iok: the actual usb driver for e200 seems to work fine, but there is a bug in the flash driver that sometimes causes data corruption on write. It seems to happen every few gigabytes when using high speed, and is rarer at full speed. |
| 00:34:09 | gevaerts | iok: that's the main "depends on your player" item. On ipod and H10 it might work slowly or unreliably, but it won't do bad writes; on sansa it sometimes does |
| 00:34:40 | iok | gevaerts: ouch! |
| 00:35:18 | iok | gevaerts: this is the worst thing for a developer: "sometimes", i.e. not surely reproducible, right? |
| 00:36:52 | gevaerts | iok: the main problem on this one as far as I understand it is lack of documentation/understanding of the hardware that drives the sd card. |
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| 00:38:01 | iok | gevaerts: aha... Ok. Good luck and many thanks for your work! |
| 00:38:33 | amiconn | gevaerts: Reportedly the linux usb subsystem can become confused when doing too many "unexpected" things. A reboot should fix that |
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| 00:40:43 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe, but in this specific case it works with a current svn build, but acts strangely with my current changes, so I guess it's my code |
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| 00:43:32 | Davide-NYC | QuestioN: are 64GB Compact Flash cards available anywhere? I can find announcements from late 2006, but no actual product to purchase. |
| 00:44:05 | Llorean | That's more a question for -community |
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| 00:46:39 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: first time I hear of this -community, thansk. |
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| 00:47:48 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Even if you hadn't heard of -community, that has nothing to do with the Rockbox software. |
| 00:48:16 | Davide-NYC | Yes sir. |
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| 00:59:11 | gevaerts | That wasn't it. However, testing with what's in svn shows that it isn't a new problem, so I can ignore it as far as this current work is concerned. |
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| 01:12:30 | pixelma | roolku: the mrobe100 plugins use mostly the Archos bitmaps? |
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| 01:15:06 | A | im having trouble with an ipod mini and rockbox, it seems that the bootloader does not run the firmware correctly and i cannot get on the ipod even on disc mode |
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| 01:16:54 | roolku | pixelma: yes, which is a shame as everything is small |
| 01:17:13 | Llorean | A: Disk Mode happens before the Rockbox bootloader code is even run. |
| 01:17:25 | roolku | pixelma: I created bitmaps for sudoku and rockblox though |
| 01:18:19 | roolku | (or tetrox or whatever it is called these days...) |
| 01:18:33 | pixelma | roolku: yes saw that. The next could probably sokoban as I'm currently working on the c200 adaptation which hasn't happened yet, would only be one more bitmap |
| 01:18:50 | pixelma | don't say the tet* word... :) |
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| 01:19:23 | A | its odd, because i have no idea whats going on with my ipod, all it does it keep resetting to the exclamation point with the folder on it |
| 01:21:04 | desowin | I experienced such behaviour when I had ipod mini (I no longer have it), after changing bootloader it went back to normal |
| 01:22:09 | A | desowin, did you install a cf card or something on it also? |
| 01:22:39 | roolku | pixelma: if you want to create some bitmaps that would be great - I am not the greatest artist and it is even worse in black and white (or black and red actually) |
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| 01:25:10 | pixelma | yes, I'd actually like that challenge... black is usually the foreground colour? Having a look at the sim as we speak :) |
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| 01:26:06 | roolku | pixelma: the sim is misleading, background is black and text is red |
| 01:26:42 | linuxstb | pixelma: BTW, the USB screen image used on the ipod video looks quite small. now that we can actually see it for more than a split second. |
| 01:26:43 | roolku | pixelma: but the backlight is actually lighting up the red - so the display is all black when the backlight is off |
| 01:27:08 | amiconn | So it's a normally black monochrome lcd? |
| 01:27:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does it use the same one as the Gigabeat? |
| 01:27:51 | linuxstb | Llorean: All LCDs > 176 pixels wide use the same image |
| 01:28:00 | roolku | amiconn: yes |
| 01:28:01 | pixelma | roolku: ah that's what I wondered (remember seeing some pictures) - but you wouldn't care if the graphics are "inverted" as the text is? |
| 01:28:17 | * | amiconn thinks the simulator should be fixed then |
| 01:28:57 | pixelma | a monochrome display that's unreadable without backlight is a bit of a pity... |
| 01:29:47 | roolku | amiconn: the configuration currently doesn't support it - the backlight will only change the background, not the foreground as on target |
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| 01:30:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't think it looks too small on the gigabeat, but I guess it could certainly be bigger. |
| 01:30:39 | amiconn | I said it should be fixed, not that it would be trivial ;) |
| 01:30:45 | roolku | pixelma: it is just about readable - the forground (red) is silvery with a good light source and suitable angle |
| 01:31:21 | roolku | amiconn: :) yes, I agree |
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| 01:31:42 | * | amiconn thinks that at the same time, the sim lcd colours should be made consistent with the screenshot function's colouras |
| 01:32:26 | pixelma | linuxstb: ok, will keep it in mind |
| 01:33:00 | linuxstb | pixelma: Thanks. Obviously not that important, it's just that I used USB on the video for the first time today, and thought it looked odd... |
| 01:34:17 | * | gevaerts implements a complimentary "Refresh Database" screen to be shown for five minutes on USB disconnect |
| 01:35:24 | pixelma | btw. wanted to ask you something (as you seem to be the only only around currently who knows a bit about Mac and Ipod installation). I'm currently going through the installation instructions in the manual and for the manual bootloader installation on MacOS it is mentioned that you have to "unmount" the Ipod but not eject it - wouldn't someone have to do the same when using rbutil? |
| 01:35:48 | Proxy | im trying to compile rockbox, but i keep getting a xargs zip no such file or directory in cygwin |
| 01:36:31 | pixelma | linuxstb: in general these kind of info are now a bit hidden and spread across multiple sections and I want to get a picture first and collect all the facts... |
| 01:36:58 | amiconn | roolku: What's the current state of the mrobe100 port? Is it already kinda usable? |
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| 01:37:19 | roolku | amiconn: yes, it is very usable |
| 01:37:45 | amiconn | Does the greyscale lib work? |
| 01:37:55 | roolku | amiconn: touchpad is kinda touchy and takes time to get used to - lowlight thinks he can tweak sensitivity |
| 01:38:22 | roolku | amiconn: no I was going to ask you if you could give me a hand with that |
| 01:39:05 | pixelma | roolku: just noticed, you also get the aspect ratio corrected bitmaps for the archos display then (chess as you mention in the forum post might look very weird on the mrobe100 display currently) :) |
| 01:40:05 | roolku | pixelma: it looks squished and very small, but I was very excited to see it work at all :) |
| 01:40:06 | linuxstb | pixelma: ipodpatcher (and I assume rbutil) does the unmounting itself now on Mac OS X - so I'm pretty sure that instruction is now obsolete. |
| 01:40:16 | amiconn | roolku: Shouldn't be difficult at all. Afaik the mrobe100 uses the same pixel packing as archos, and the standard pp lcd1 bridge |
| 01:40:46 | pixelma | linuxstb: ah, good to know... :) |
| 01:41:31 | pixelma | I guess sansapatcheris able to do that too? |
| 01:42:00 | amiconn | So you'll need the standard bunch of arm asm transfer functions, and lcd_grey_phase_blit needs implementation |
| 01:42:10 | roolku | amiconn: yes, that is what lowlight said, but I haven't really looked into that |
| 01:42:25 | amiconn | You'll also want lcd_blit because you need it to figure out the internal refresh rate of the lcd |
| 01:42:31 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes, it looks like it does (checking the source) |
| 01:42:40 | amiconn | (lcd_blit is needed by test_scanrate.rock) |
| 01:42:45 | pixelma | thanks |
| 01:43:07 | * | amiconn could probably write that stuff blindly, but not right now |
| 01:43:53 | pixelma | roolku: music is playing and plugins are working, time for a manual? (which obviously means some work) |
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| 01:44:36 | amiconn | After all this is in place, you'll need to calibrate the gamma curve. I need a plugin for that myself, because some gamma curves are still not adjusted properly (and I also need gamma curve hot-switching for the 1st+2nd Gen) |
| 01:44:38 | roolku | amiconn: yes, it's bed time here as well - I'll have a look tomorrow |
| 01:46:02 | roolku | pixelma: yes I know, but I have never built the manual, so a bit of a learning curve and I need to get it working on cygwin... |
| 01:47:00 | roolku | amiconn: will the calibration work with the red backlight? I am curious how well it works |
| 01:47:15 | amiconn | Well, it should |
| 01:47:29 | pixelma | roolku: you won't have to do it all by yourself, I only meant to ask if you think it's already worth it (sorry for being unclear) |
| 01:47:56 | roolku | amiconn: the display seems quite slow - for example the ball in brickmania is really hard to see when it is moving |
| 01:48:33 | amiconn | It will use a comparison of "real" greylevels to rasterized greylevels. You will have to move away far enough to be unable to recognise the raster |
| 01:48:44 | amiconn | Slow display == good for the greylib |
| 01:48:48 | amiconn | (less flicker) |
| 01:48:57 | pixelma | roolku: and I build the manual on cygwin, too. Works good except I couldn't figure out how to set up tex4ht manually for the html version |
| 01:49:01 | amiconn | So far, the greylib works best on H1x0 |
| 01:49:17 | roolku | pixelma: no, it occured to me as well - it would be useful to get the install instructions written up - maybe even integrated into rbutil - so 'users' could try it and give feedback |
| 01:50:51 | pixelma | I see what I can do to help (and probably draw an svg...) |
| 01:51:31 | roolku | pixelma: excellent, much appreciated |
| 01:51:39 | pixelma | the sim background isn't that useful though |
| 01:52:05 | roolku | pixelma: not detailed enough? |
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| 01:53:40 | roolku | roolku: I would offer to take a picture, but the whole front is clear plastic and acts like a mirror, so it is really difficult to get a good shot |
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| 01:53:55 | soap | need a polarizing lens. |
| 01:55:31 | pixelma | roolku: have to see some pictures first to get an idea how it looks like (like is it a bit rounded, stuff like that) |
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| 01:56:12 | pixelma | don't worry, guess I'll find enough in the internet |
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| 01:56:42 | roolku | okie |
| 01:57:01 | * | roolku goes to bed now |
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| 01:58:02 | * | gevaerts just waits to see if his commit now builds, and then will go to sleep as well |
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| 02:03:54 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 02:13:46 | Proxy | does anyone know what the xargs zip no such file or directory error means? i installed all packages from rockbox |
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| 02:30:40 | Absinthe | exactly how did the error appear? |
| 02:31:10 | Strife89 | Brief question about albumart. |
| 02:31:43 | Strife89 | What is the mazimum size displayed in the Cabbie theme on the c200? |
| 02:32:20 | Llorean | It should say in the .wps file |
| 02:32:31 | quaal | http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2118/contextualmuchloljw9.jpg |
| 02:32:47 | Strife89 | Gotcha, I'll double-check. |
| 02:32:51 | Llorean | quaal: That has nothing at all to do with Rockbox. |
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| 02:33:40 | quaal | is there some kind of crazy only rockbox talk law in place here |
| 02:33:51 | Llorean | There are channel guidelines, yes. |
| 02:34:05 | Llorean | That's that link in the topic that says "Please read before speaking" |
| 02:34:22 | Antisthene | RTFM, in other words =] |
| 02:34:43 | Absinthe | i saw that pic on digg today |
| 02:34:52 | Proxy | it appears when i try to make zip |
| 02:34:55 | Antisthene | rtfm? |
| 02:35:01 | Llorean | Absinthe: Again, please take off-topic chat elsewhere. |
| 02:35:06 | Absinthe | sorry |
| 02:35:15 | Absinthe | what OS? |
| 02:35:19 | Llorean | Proxy: Do you have "Zip" installed? Try just typing "zip" without the quotes in the cygwin window and see what it says |
| 02:36:03 | Proxy | thats odd its not installed |
| 02:36:53 | Strife89 | What denotes the albumart view? (i.e., what's the syntax?) |
| 02:37:24 | Llorean | Strife89: All WPS tags are documented on the CustomWPS wiki page |
| 02:39:49 | Strife89 | Then it's 40x40. |
| 02:39:52 | Strife89 | l|3|14|c40|c40| |
| 02:39:57 | quaal | k |
| 02:39:58 | Strife89 | Thanks. |
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| 02:41:29 | Proxy | thanks Llorean |
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| 02:46:50 | Klowner | I just acquired a Sansa e270 and it appears to be a v1 so rockbox should work, but I noticed under the Rockbox Status section on the wiki that "USB Handler" has a notice next to it, does that mean the only way to get media onto the device is through the MicroSD expansion? Or am I interpreting that incorrectly |
| 02:48:29 | pixelma | it means that currently your only able to put music on it by using the original firmware (Rockbox is able to dual boot and should even reboot automatically into OF on USB plug) |
| 02:48:39 | pixelma | or other media |
| 02:50:09 | Klowner | oh, well that's not so bad |
| 02:50:34 | Klowner | rebooting my little sansa in exchange for being able to play mpegs seems like a fair trade |
| 02:52:04 | TheBashar | Can anyone recommend the best way to remove duplicates from the database? Is deleting the .tcds the best way to reset? |
| 02:53:25 | Llorean | TheBashar: That or simply choosing to initialize it again |
| 02:56:17 | Absinthe | hiw long does it take to update the database? Sometimes I update the database on my sansa, turn it off immediately after, and it works fine. |
| 02:56:28 | TheBashar | Llorean: Thanks. The "Initialize now" option didn't work when I had the same problem a couple days ago. But I tried it again at your suggestion and it worked. What a difference a couple days (build) makes. |
| 02:57:01 | Absinthe | So it only takes a few seconds? I guess 2 gigabytes doesnt take that long. |
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| 02:57:26 | Llorean | TheBashar: It's possible that a few days ago some of the duplicated were still on your player (in the recycle bin perhaps). This has been known to happen |
| 02:57:48 | TheBashar | Absinthe: it only took about 10 seconds for my 2G. |
| 02:57:57 | Llorean | Absinthe: A lot of factors determine how long the refresh takes. |
| 02:58:08 | TheBashar | Llorean: Or maybe running out of free space? |
| 02:58:16 | Absinthe | Such as? |
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| 03:05:31 | Llorean | Absinthe: Processor speed of the device, how many songs you have, how many tags each of those songs has, etc. |
| 03:05:43 | Llorean | TheBashar: I don't understand the question. |
| 03:05:48 | Absinthe | ok. thanks |
| 03:06:03 | Proxy | i dont think you would run out of space |
| 03:06:13 | Proxy | hes talking about the database size |
| 03:07:57 | TheBashar | Llorean: I know I ran disktidy when I had the problem last time so I don't think it was the trash. But something (that I don't understand) happened and the 1-2MBs of free space disappeared and I had no free space. I wonder if that's why it couldn't "reinit" the database. |
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| 03:13:27 | Llorean | It's possible it didn't have enough room for the temporary files |
| 03:13:46 | Proxy | what does the bootloader build do vs the normal? |
| 03:14:49 | Llorean | What do you mean by "the normal"? |
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| 03:17:53 | Proxy | as in when you go to ../tools/configure (choose model you're building for) and then it asks you for normal manual simulator or bootloader |
| 03:18:39 | Llorean | The bootloader is a separate, very minimal part of the Rockbox code. It's main duty is to load Rockbox or the OF upon booting the device. |
| 03:18:52 | Llorean | You remember from when you installed, there were two steps, the Rockbox install, and the bootloader install? |
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| 04:22:18 | Klowner | aah this is so cool |
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| 04:53:44 | webguest41 | Hi all it's webguest25 from like a week ago if it means anything. anyway, I remember someone saying how there battery life was terrible when using rockbox on I think an IPod. possibly the option to use a .voice file was on and rockbox was trying to access it? |
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| 05:03:59 | webguest41 | hello? |
| 05:04:53 | webguest41 | :'( |
| 05:05:52 | Llorean | Please don't do that. |
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| 05:11:50 | webguest41 | yeh. has the former webguest40 come back? think I may have figured out why he/she was getting bad battery life |
| 05:13:38 | webguest41 | what up? |
| 05:14:15 | Llorean | This isn't a conversation channel. And I have no idea if that person came back. |
| 05:15:51 | webguest41 | I know. well if he/she does tell said user to make sure the voice options are disabled if they don't use them, rb was probbly checking for the .voice file whenever the "focus" changed |
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| 06:22:52 | outsider1102 | anyone: hello, i just got word that the lastest version of rockbox is out, i have an 80gb iPod 5.5G, the problem is that my firmware is version 1.2.3, will this latest version of Rockbox be compatible?? |
| 06:23:50 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:24:08 | outsider1102 | JdGordon: thanks thats all i needed to know... |
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| 07:55:47 | outsider1102 | anyone: hello again, i just installed rockbox on my ipod (5.5G 80gb FW 1.2.3) and bout an hour into using rockbox, the sound on my ipod is coming out distorted, could this be a problem in the software, should i do a restore?? |
| 07:59:04 | Llorean | Distorted how? |
| 07:59:31 | outsider1102 | Liorean: theres is no bass, and there seems to be an overload of treble... |
| 07:59:55 | outsider1102 | when i raise my volume up to 100% its sounds like its at 50% |
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| 08:00:41 | Llorean | Have you tried resetting the settings? |
| 08:00:59 | outsider1102 | i also rebooted to the regular Apple Firmware and the same results are showing, no bass, treble overload and low volume |
| 08:01:18 | outsider1102 | settings in the rockbox Firmware?? |
| 08:01:49 | Llorean | Yes |
| 08:01:55 | Llorean | Wait, same problem in the Apple firmware? |
| 08:02:06 | Llorean | Rockbox won't affect how it sounds in the Apple firmware, so it sounds like a hardware problem. |
| 08:02:11 | outsider1102 | Liorean: yes |
| 08:02:26 | Llorean | Have you tried it with other headphones, and are you sure the headphone port is undamaged? |
| 08:02:40 | outsider1102 | let me check... |
| 08:03:03 | outsider1102 | actually i have an Apple remote that connects to the dock connector and the same results are showing |
| 08:03:45 | Llorean | With different headphones? |
| 08:04:08 | outsider1102 | no, i'm trying that now... |
| 08:05:13 | outsider1102 | heh, what do you know... |
| 08:05:23 | outsider1102 | it works with the standard apple headphones... |
| 08:06:09 | outsider1102 | i'm am noe trying the sound on the regular Apple FW |
| 08:08:03 | outsider1102 | Llorean: the problem seems to be solved, both firmwares now work fine, it must be the cord extension im using with the other headphones |
| 08:10:11 | Zacam | My Sony MDR-700's developed a crack in the sheilding used under the audio jack cover. I discovered it when I attempted to remove said sheilding to replace the jack as I had thought it to be a tip connection problem. Amazing what happens to hardware. |
| 08:11:21 | outsider1102 | Zacam: i tested my headphones on both my Sony PSP and Apple iPod, its seems to be a 2.5 mm jack cord extension that im using that is the problem |
| 08:11:49 | outsider1102 | but, when i use the remote cord for both my PSP and iPod the sound is back to normal |
| 08:12:18 | outsider1102 | so its this cord extension that im using, that in itself is another problem i need to find out |
| 08:13:46 | outsider1102 | Llorean: thanks for the help, its neither my software or the ipod that is flawed it is a cord that im using |
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| 11:31:25 | roolku | oops |
| 11:32:02 | petur | nice score |
| 11:32:38 | * | petur hads roolku 11250 points - pick anything from the third row |
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| 11:35:12 | petur | roolku: missing #endif |
| 11:36:02 | amiconn | The next #if should rather be an #elif iiuc |
| 11:36:08 | roolku | #if #elif |
| 11:36:13 | roolku | yes |
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| 11:38:52 | Bagder_ | 11256 is good! |
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| 11:45:01 | roolku | and with as little effort as a missing "el" :) |
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| 11:46:40 | Bagder | roolku: how's the install procedure on the mrobe100 ? just like the other mi4 targets, like h10? |
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| 11:47:54 | roolku | Bagder: yes, rename OF, copy bootloader to where OF used to be (system directory), extract rockbox.zip |
| 11:48:50 | Bagder | btw, we already have mrobe100 zip files on the download mirrors ;-) |
| 11:48:59 | Bagder | just not advertised anywhere |
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