#rockbox 2008-03-03

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#rockbox log for 2008-03-03

00:00:13	amiconn	The chip pin spacing is the same size on all relevant ipods (as its the same chips which we're interested in), but I expect the chips to be more closely packed on 5th Gen
00:02:04	Soap_	when I get home I'll look at board scans and try to figure out where said chips are, and how plausable it is to run the device while in an open state.
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00:05:33	amiconn	0.5mm pin spacing...
00:05:46	Soap_	nasty
00:07:06	gevaerts	Shorting these might void your warranty I guess
00:08:33	Soap_	but this needs to be done, doesn't it.
00:10:56	gevaerts	It would provide useful information anyay
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00:12:31	gevaerts	I added a wiki page with the current USB stack status (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/save/Main/PortalPlayerUsb). Any suggestions on where to add links to it ?
00:13:09	*	gevaerts means http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb of course
00:13:42	Llorean	gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers ?
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00:16:33	barrywardell	gevaerts: I don't get windows (in a vm on osx) showing my H10 as a drive any more. I can't tell if it's because I removed the stalls - when I add them back in os x locks up again :(
00:16:57	gevaerts	Llorean: I added it there to the Projects & Discussions section
00:17:16	gevaerts	barrywardell: I'll test tomorrow.
00:17:31	barrywardell	gevaerts: thanks
00:18:16	cg	gevaerts: another theory. if for some reason buffer_length got negative value, for example due to line 131 having wrong length, the if() on line 135 would still be true. maybe if(buffer_length>0) would be safer?
00:18:54	cg	but enough theories, time to sleep
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00:19:29	gevaerts	cg: if that happens, status shouldn't be 0 (unless there is a serious hardware bug...)
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00:19:51	ffm_	Do developers need iPod classic/2gennano firmware dumps? I'd be happy to provide them.
00:20:18	ffm_	there are two partitions on the ipod (as shown http://pastebin.ca/925363 ), and the first looks like a firmware one.
00:22:12	*	gevaerts is off to write a mail to the dev mailing list to tell everyone that logf-over-usb seems usable
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00:23:45	Beta2K	ffm_, they were just saying they'd like some voltage readings :)
00:23:59	scorche	Beta2K: wrong device
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00:24:16	Beta2K	Oh crud
00:24:22	Beta2K	Wow I can't read today...
00:24:32	Beta2K	I read "ipod 2nd gen"
00:24:54	ffm	Beta2K: second genration in the nano line.
00:24:56	*	Beta2K thinks he needs sleep
00:26:09	stripwax	ffm - unencrypted?
00:26:38	ffm	stripwax: idk.
00:26:52	ffm	stripwax: iirc, the 2nd nano is encrypted.
00:27:00	scorche	it should be
00:28:02	ffm	scorche: en, or un?
00:28:10	scorche	en
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00:29:03	ffm	will a "cat /dev/sdg1 > foobar.raw" work, or do I _have_ to use dd?
00:29:24	gevaerts	ffm: cat should work
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00:31:30	cg	gevaerts: well, theoretically length could get negative value if passed to usb_serial_send(). then usb_serial_transfer_complete() would not need status 0, but buffer_length would stay negative and continue calling sendout()
00:31:59	cg	gevaerts: this would probably require some sort of programming error somewhere else...
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00:34:39	gevaerts	cg: I added some checks now
00:35:16	ffm	scorche: am I missing somethign, or is my magical first six sectors empty? fdisk reports them as such.
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00:37:15	ffm	is it illegal for me to upload a dump of my firmware?
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00:37:35	ffm	I don't want to violate the DMCA/get sued by apple.
00:38:38	Beta2K	Honestly? Probably.
00:39:38	Beta2K	I know there have been gentle requests made by M$ in regards to people having flash dumps from Xbox's
00:40:03	Beta2K	Tho no one that I know of has been sued/charged
00:40:06	ffm	Beta2K: what's the chance of me personaly being sued?
00:40:10	Beta2K	Only asked ot pleaseremove it
00:40:21	ffm	Beta2K: and will rockbox remove it when asked, and if they do , will they tell me?
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00:40:55	Beta2K	That, I have no idea about :)
00:41:04	ffm	Beta2K: and if they remove it, can I still be sued?
00:41:10	ffm	s/i/
00:41:21	ffm	s/i/"I and or they"/
00:41:25	rasher	ffm: Unless I'm missing something, it is definitely illegal. "Rockbox" will probably remove it even if not asked.
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00:41:41	scorche	ffm: where were you planning on uploading it?
00:42:11	scorche	i think some have already had a look at it, but i am not sure...
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00:47:43	scorche	ffm: you might be better off bringing this up a few hours ago (in terms of timing)...many contributors are european, especially the ones who have had a look into this
00:49:25	ffm	scorche: I was going to attach it to a forum posting.
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00:49:47	scorche	ffm: ah...you wouldnt be able to do that anyway due to limits we impose on forums attachments
00:50:10	ffm	scorche: kk. I'll put it on filebin.ca
00:51:20	ffm	scorche: darn, I'm over their 50 mb limit.
00:51:23	ffm	limmit.
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00:53:54	krazykit	ffm, you had the word right the first time ;)
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01:16:43	soap	Is it over 50MB even when in a .zip?
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01:25:45	ffm	soap: lets seee..
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01:26:28	ffm	soap: .zip? I'm insulted. All the cool kids use gzip, or even better, bzip2
01:27:10	Beta2K	Is the firmware already compressed?
01:27:19	ffm	in any case, 19.5mb (bzip2) and 20mb (zip)
01:27:26	Beta2K	As in on the disk, being that's it's encrypted.
01:27:26	ffm	Beta2K: it would appear not.
01:27:39	ffm	Beta2K: uploading...
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01:29:25	Beta2K	Apparently, what's the original file size?
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01:30:45	linuxstb_	I don't know about the other newer ipods, but at least for the 2nd Gen Nano, the contents of the firmware partition is just what Apple make available for download - see http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
01:30:59	linuxstb_	So dumps aren't needed - Apple make them available...
01:31:09	Negi[Jew]	oh word
01:31:35	Negi[Jew]	are there any breakthroughs in the 2g nano hacking or whatever
01:32:07	ffm	Beta2K: 95 mb.
01:32:29	linuxstb_	Negi[Jew]: Not that we've heard about.
01:33:03	Beta2K	Ouch
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01:38:07	ffm	so http://filebin.ca/ffovfe/2gen_nano_2gb.raw.tar.bz2 isn't useful?
01:40:59	Beta2K	There's got to be more to it...
01:41:18	Beta2K	Did you look at the dump you made?
01:46:22	Hodapp	wtf are you guys talking about?
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01:47:01	Beta2K	Long story? :)
01:47:05	krazykit	Hodapp, logs are available if you want to catch up...
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01:51:12	Beta2K	LOL, the first few lines of the firmware is a ASCII "Stop" sign :)
01:51:31	Hodapp	haha'
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01:56:55	Beta2K	So ffm
01:57:09	Beta2K	Are you going to be mad at me if I say they look the same so far?
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02:00:07	linuxstb	Beta2K: What look the same?
02:00:45	Beta2K	the dump vs the downloaded file from the site you quoted
02:02:18	Beta2K	the dump has a bunch of 0's padding the end (about 70 meg worth)
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02:22:15	Beta2K	Nope, byte-by-byte diff from 0x0 to 0x170b7ff found no differences form the dump to the apple supplied file
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02:43:03	Eightdollapimp	ne one alive?
02:43:24	advcomp2019	Eightdollapimp, yea but just say it
02:43:47	Eightdollapimp	just curious if there is a build for gen 2 nano...or will the gen 1 build work?
02:44:22	Eightdollapimp	cuz im using the utility installer and its not recognizing the ipod nano gen 2
02:44:30	Eightdollapimp	makes the folder but doesnt install it
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02:45:20	Febs	Rockbox does not support the second generation Nano.
02:45:39	Eightdollapimp	ight thank you
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03:35:10	soap	why do we tell users who are having trouble getting into disk mode (with a working iPod bootloader) to keep trying the Select + Play button combo.
03:35:15	soap	oops - ?
03:36:20	Llorean	Because half the time I forget to tell them to turn on hold instead.
03:36:22	soap	Is there a reason we don't simply say "If you are able to reboot flick the hold switch to the on (red) position and let the Apple original firmware take over"?
03:36:30	Davide-NYC	I'm getting an "Error 2" in make under Cygwin even after "make clean" and reconfigure.
03:36:34	soap	Just curious if my brain was misfiring.
03:37:10	Llorean	Nah
03:37:15	Llorean	But Disk Mode is "guaranteed" to work.
03:37:26	Davide-NYC	"make[1]: * [rocks] Error 2" and "make: * [build] Error 2"
03:37:31	Llorean	Apple OS isn't, if they've done something horrible (unlikely though)
03:38:02	scorche	Davide-NYC: the important part is before that
03:38:09	soap	you stole my post you big meanie!
03:38:19	soap	;)
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03:38:36	Davide-NYC	Long list of *.o files the last of which was disktidy.
03:38:50	Davide-NYC	you want the whole list?
03:38:56	Llorean	soap: I can't imagine he's doing it right though, if he's failing now. My best guess is he's still holding Select+Play too late.
03:39:02	scorche	Davide-NYC: pastebin the whole thing
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03:39:50	soap	unless he coincidentally has a broken Play button. Very odd coincidence if so.
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03:40:07	Davide-NYC	http://pastebin.com/d1551d38f
03:40:14	soap	and kill my recent bump if it is over the line.
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03:44:31	Llorean	soap: Actually, it's not at all. In fact, I was about to ask you if you think it would be going to far to write in the rules that Developers, Moderators, and Experts are explicitly allowed to, at their discretion choose to ignore any of the posted guidelines, so long as they feel it's necessary for blah blah better functioning etc.
03:45:02	Llorean	Davide-NYC: That doesn't look like the whole log
03:46:34	Davide-NYC	Llorean: where do I find the log?
03:47:00	Davide-NYC	or do I have to run make again and redirect the output?
03:47:03	Llorean	There's no explicit log file.
03:47:06	Davide-NYC	k
03:47:08	Llorean	You'll have to redirect all the output.
03:47:16	Llorean	Because the errors are further up than what you're showing, it looks like.
03:47:34	Davide-NYC	am doing
03:48:05	corfy	My name is Jason Corfman. I'd like to request permission to edit the wiki so I can add a FM preset file I made for Indiana.
03:48:28	Davide-NYC	urghh, must make clean
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03:52:01	Beta2K	Anyone know what file I'd find kernel_entry() in ?
03:52:02	plb	any ideas how long before iaudio d2 is supported? -)
03:53:12	Davide-NYC	OK: here it is... http://pastebin.com/d22e488e3
03:53:27	Llorean	plb: There's no way to predict.
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03:54:13	plb	yeah figured that...pity I just got a d2 and have been watching rockbox videos on youtube and now I want rockbox on this thing heh
03:54:28	cm0	Ok, i'm new to this.. I see the plugin docs, but where do you actually download them??
03:54:44	Llorean	corfy: Done
03:54:52	corfy	Llorean, thanks
03:54:55	Llorean	cm0: They're included, as per the manual
03:55:22	cm0	oh snap, all of 'em? thanks
03:55:43	Llorean	Davide-NYC: I don't see a mention of an error at all in that paste.
03:55:56	Llorean	Davide-NYC: Did you redirect all output? &> ?
03:56:24	Davide-NYC	No, I didn't. The last two lines are the same as posted earlier though.
03:56:41	Davide-NYC	"make[1]: * [rocks] Error 2" and "make: * [build] Error 2"
03:57:05	Llorean	But we need stderr, which I think wouldn't be redirected...
03:57:21	Llorean	I can't really tell you what's wrong without the lines that actually contain the error messages. ;)
03:57:43	Llorean	And I'm pretty sure they don't show up on stdout.
03:57:45	Davide-NYC	I presume stderr is what comes up at the console even after a simple > redirect and that is what I just posted.
03:57:49	Davide-NYC	Ah
03:57:56	Davide-NYC	OK I'll run it again.
03:58:01	Llorean	Try it with &>
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03:58:18	*	Llorean hopes he got that right.
03:59:20	cm0	what's the list of supported video playback formats for an e200? Not seeing them on the file formats table in the manual
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04:00:07	Febs	MPEG-2
04:00:34	cm0	had a feeling that was it, thanks
04:00:38	jhMikeS	mpeg-1 as well
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04:08:21	Davide-NYC	Llorean: bad news, &> changes nothing except for adding the two lines I specified earlier to the end of the file.
04:08:38	Davide-NYC	Something's up with Cygwin maybe?
04:08:49	Davide-NYC	maybe I should DL fresh everything?
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06:49:24	CAIN	hello all
06:49:42	CAIN	can anyone help with a sandisk c240?
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06:50:39	Llorean	CAIN: What's your question?
06:53:28	CAIN	I have Vista and trying to get the updater to reconize the program. I was having exception processing messages, so i changed the drives. That seemed to stop it. I talked to Sandisk and they say that it is a problem with the device and want me to return it. This is my 3rd one once I return it so I am wondering of anyone knows how to get the firmware updater to work properly, since I can see it in my task manager?
06:55:41	Llorean	That doesn't sound anything at all like a Rockbox issue
06:56:16	CAIN	I know that I heard there is a way to download firmware directly to mp3 players
06:56:48	Llorean	We really can't provide support or help with other peoples' programs.
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09:13:46	webguest95	Hi
09:13:53	webguest95	Hi
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09:14:29	webguest95	I have a problem with installation of bootloader :S
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09:14:48	markun	webguest95: which player and what kind of problem?
09:15:04	webguest95	I have a Ipod Nano Silver and when i try to install it say No IPod Found
09:15:26	scorche	silver?...that would be a 2nd gen nano...
09:15:50	webguest95	damn
09:16:11	webguest95	I try to install before linux but I got same error
09:16:45	krazykit	if it's a 2nd gen nano, rockbox does not support this device.
09:17:02	scorche	(and neither will ipodlinux, of course...)
09:17:47	webguest95	I know that but do you have solution for me I only want to install some free game on my crap Ipod ...?
09:18:52	scorche	your only solution is going to be to toss that ipod and get something else that rockbox will run on (unless you happen to be quite good at defeating encryption, reverse engineering, and programming ;)
09:19:55	webguest95	It's only because I have now a Zune and my ipod sleep in a corner :p ... On Zune we dont have game or anymore application so it's boring :S
09:20:21	GodEater	buy a gameboy ?
09:20:22	markun	doesn't apple make games for ipods?
09:20:50	webguest95	...yeah but I dont have money for that XD
09:20:50	markun	webguest95: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/microsoft-confirms-zune-will-play-games-by-july-2008/
09:20:59	webguest95	I know thank
09:21:11	markun	but you do have money for 2 MP3 players? :)
09:22:47	webguest95	haha ... My Ipod doest work correctly :)
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09:24:05	webguest95	My battery decharge within one hour and it remains loaded with some time if I restore my ipod
09:25:44	scorche	being that it is not a device that rockbox runs on, it is a bit offtopic for this channel...
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09:27:07	markun	webguest95: there is a port to the Gigabeat S in the works which is very similar to the Zune. Unfortunately the Zune has better security which prevents us from exploiting it the same way.
09:28:58	markun	and I'm planning to do some porting work to the Meizu M6 which is supposedly similar to the ipod nano, but also here the ipod's security will probably prevent us to port to it.
09:29:56	linuxstb	markun: Similar to which Nano?
09:30:42	markun	2nd gen
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09:30:49	markun	at least the SoC
09:30:51	polaroid	hey
09:30:55	markun	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58
09:30:59	markun	polaroid: hi
09:31:53	polaroid	my ipod was working fine with rockbox for around a week, and then out of nowhere, it became completely unresponsive. the screen does not turn on, it does not respond to pluging it in or anything. its pretty much bricked
09:32:04	polaroid	plugging*
09:32:08	linuxstb	Have you tried resetting it (hold MENU+SELECT) ?
09:32:19	polaroid	yeah
09:32:27	polaroid	nothing responds
09:33:03	linuxstb	Just charge it and keep trying MENU+SELECT (you may need to keep it pressed for up to 30 seconds).
09:33:23	polaroid	okay
09:33:27	polaroid	it should be charged
09:33:46	LinusN	polaroid: i had a similar "accident" with my ipod video the other day, and i solved it by pulling the battery
09:33:56	polaroid	that got it
09:34:03	polaroid	thanks :D
09:34:41	polaroid	thank you
09:34:53	polaroid	had to have it plugged in while resetting
09:35:53	polaroid	and does rockbox bypass the 4kb text file limit?
09:36:26	GodEater	what 4kb text file limit ? :D
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09:37:31	polaroid	on the ipod, if you have a text file bigger than 4kb's or a certain amount of words it just shows a certain amount of words
09:37:35	polaroid	does rockbox show the whole thing
09:38:46	markun	yes, our textviewer doesn't have such a limit (and why would it)
09:38:59	amiconn	The only limit for the rockbox text viewer is the file size limit on fat32 (2GB)
09:39:05	polaroid	nice
09:39:08	polaroid	thanks :D
09:39:15	polaroid	whoever has text files that big...
09:39:16	markun	amiconn: completely forgot about that limit ;)
09:40:26	*	linuxstb finds it hard to imagine how long a 2GB text file would take to read...
09:40:55	*	GodEater doesn't even try to imagine
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09:41:30	*	krazykit once had a 4gb text file :(
09:41:44	polaroid	what was it?
09:41:44	markun	krazykit: how far did you get?
09:42:19	krazykit	for whatever reason, i had several things logging in debug mode to /var/logs/messages :\. i deleted the file.
09:42:34	polaroid	i can imagine anyone would
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