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#rockbox log for 2008-03-05

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00:38:32pixelmaroolku: is dual boot already possible on the m:robe100 and if so how do you start into the OF?
00:40:43*amiconn would guess that it is possible, and works the same way as on H10
00:41:33pixelmamaybe, but which button serves as "cancel" or "rewind" button here...
00:41:52roolkupixelma: the bootloader hasn't been touched after the touchpad driver was written, so it needs a little work at least...
00:42:53roolkunot sure it is sensible to use the touchpad - maybe activate with the hold switch?
00:44:14pixelmaso it's not implemented yet?
00:44:51roolkujust checking how easy it is to get it to work, but yes, right now not implemented
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00:46:56pixelmathe Ipods use the hold swith for that bt since I don't have one I can't tell how I'd like it. I'm just gathering info for restructing the installation chapter of the manual
00:47:03pixelmas/bt/but
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00:51:57amiconnThe ipods only have it on hold because button detection in the bootloader isn't reliable
00:53:36amiconnIt's nasty in several ways. First, plugging usb powers up the device even if hold is enabled, causing it to boot into the OF, hence requiring a reset to get back into rockbox
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00:54:21amiconnAnd since hold is also used for clearing settings (later in the rockbox boot sequence), timing is critical
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00:56:16roolkuhm, it doesn't seem to work with the touchpad - presumably because you need to touch it after initialisation and before it is checked which is kind of difficult
00:56:33amiconnOn 1st..3rd Gen and Mini 1st Gen, button detection is reliable so we could use buttons
00:56:48roolkuso I tried the power button which is the only physical button which works somewhat
00:58:37mud-rbanyone on who works with usb? someone might want to look at firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c lines 477-481. i don't know how to fix it, but it's basically doing if(something) do_x(); else do_x(); do_y();
00:58:50roolkuit boots the OF, but I only get a splash: !RETRY TO SYNCHRONIZE - I haven't used the OF, so I have no idea what this is about
00:59:09amiconnThe later ones use the opto controller for the buttons. I'm not sure what the problem is. Could be either that the controller doesn't detect states, but only changes, so a button pressed before init won't be detected, or it has to do with the fact that the bootloader uses a polling driver, because we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader
00:59:58amiconn...and that polling driver being unreliable for some reason
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01:00:21roolkuyes, forgot about that - no interrupts no touchpad.
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01:04:23roolkuokay, I seem to have deleted some relevant files for the OF. It also gives me the message when I rename it back, so not rockbox specific
01:04:29*roolku goes googling
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01:10:57roolkubah, something to do with the songdatabase out of sync, never mind. I think the power button is the best solution: short press to boot rockbox, long press for OF
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01:11:20roolkubah, something to do with the songdatabase out of sync, never mind. I think the power button is the best solution: short press to boot rockbox, long press for OF
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01:11:58roolkupixelma: btw does that mean you are editing the manual?
01:12:50pixelmahaven't started the "real" work, just doing the research and thinking
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01:16:36pixelmabut now, sleep
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02:40:49niikoI'm thinking of updating the rockbox build on my player, does Rockbox Utility take care of everything for me when I go to "Install Rockbox"?
02:41:16niikoSorry, nevermind, just found it in the manual!
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03:11:01terinjokesanyone have suggestions to which quality i should set my OGG encoder to have good sound and a decent file size?
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03:12:38soapthat's really an inquiry best served at hydrogenaudio.org's wiki if you are unable / unfamiliar with ABX tests.
03:13:53terinjokessoap: was that toward me?
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03:14:39soapyes terinjokes it was.
03:15:01terinjokessoap: hrm... is q3 ok?
03:15:40terinjokesfor wikinews we run with q0 (but that's talk only...)
03:17:10soapneeded bitrates to achieve transparency in music is very much a personal issue and (no offense) very much not a Rockbox issue.
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03:20:35terinjokessoap: point taken, but i'm using it on rockbox, and i think you for your help... think q4 will be OK
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04:34:32JdGordonanyone around to test out a patch?
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04:46:15perrikwpJdGordon: What kind of patch?
04:48:05perrikwpJdGordon: I'd be willing to test the patch for you. I have a Gigabeat F and a iPod Mini 1 Gen to test on.
04:49:50JdGordonI'm reworking the way the lists are drawn
04:50:02JdGordonbassically, if it works you shouldnt notice anything different
04:50:09*JdGordon porepares a patch
04:50:14perrikwpo, ok
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04:55:21JdGordonperrikwp: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8457#comment22125
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04:56:09perrikwpok give me a couple of minutes to get it working
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04:57:17JdGordonI'd be more interesting in you tyesting it on the ipod than the gigabeat because i've been testing on a colour target anyway
04:57:57webguest73hi guys i have a question i have been having problem installing rockbox on my ipod. i've never had this problem before and the last time you guys told me to restore my ipod and try again. i restored it and it still doesn't boot into rockbox.
04:58:48perrikwpok
04:59:49webguest73i really dont know what is going on. i used to have rockbox on my ipod the suddenly it just stopped wprking out of nowhere.
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05:00:28webguest73i have been using it for about two years now. i have an ipod video with 30 gigs. 5th generation.
05:00:44webguest73please help. :)
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05:01:34JdGordonyou habnt given us much to work with... whats the actual proble?
05:02:09Beta2Knite all :)
05:03:53niikoI'm confused, does the cpchan custom build support album art?
05:04:14JdGordonit would be pretty suucky if it didnt... seen as the official builds do
05:04:28niikoTHEY DO?!
05:04:41niikoIs this a recent development?
05:04:45webguest73i cant boot into rockbox anymore it stays at the apple logo and i have no problem when intalling it manually with the rockbox utility tool.
05:05:50perrikwpJdGordon: Ok it's loaded
05:06:09JdGordonok, have a play and let me know if anything looks funny
05:07:03perrikwptwo things look funny: 1. scrolling down the item selector goes down only to the second to last item then starts scrolling
05:07:52perrikwp2. same as last when scrolling up,but only goes up to the 3rd from top item and then starts scrolling
05:07:56JdGordonhow far did it used to go?
05:08:05Lloreanniiko: Not that recent, see the MajorChanges wiki page
05:08:43perrikwpif I remember correctly, i think it goes all the way to the last item, but i had better check
05:08:52JdGordonit shouldnt have...
05:09:03JdGordoniirc its always meant to be 2 or 3 off the top/bottom
05:09:08JdGordonthey should eb the same though
05:09:10perrikwpok
05:09:21perrikwplet me check with the current build
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05:12:54perrikwpok, never mind about what I said, its functioning correctly, its just been a while since I have used the ipod
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05:15:09JdGordonno oddness with the colours?
05:16:05perrikwpnot on the ipod mini
05:16:16perrikwphaven't tried the gigabeat yet
05:16:54JdGordongood good...
05:17:11*JdGordon wonders if he can get soap and Llorean to test 8457
05:20:37niikowill the official build of rockbox not accept album art with the filname "folder.bmp"?
05:20:45Horschtcover.bmp
05:20:54niikoalright, thanks
05:21:14Horschthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
05:21:25Horschtfor more information on naming/location
05:22:28soapJdGordon, will do - tomorrow
05:22:41niikoThanks, I was looking at it already but I wasn't clear on whether "cover" was the required name if I wasn't going to go with the other options... basically I was wondering if, failing everything else, it would look for any picture in the direction with the current song
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05:23:14JdGordonsoap: ok, although I'd really like to get it commited soon, tonight even...
05:23:47perrikwpJdGordon: Problem on Gigabeat F
05:24:03perrikwpicons do not line up with items in list
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05:25:27soapJdGordon, it's 11:30pm here - I gotta get to sleep - there is no way I can do it until 18 hours from now :(
05:25:52perrikwpit also shows the scrollbar under the icons
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05:29:09troublehelixhi people =)
05:29:27iambenhello washington!
05:29:32perrikwpbrb
05:29:59troublehelixSorry, reading the guidelines. brb.
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05:32:26scorcheeek....guess i shouldnt do that too often
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05:33:18troublehelixHah. Yea I'm cursed.
05:33:20troublehelixscorche, can I ask you a question over in gsoc?
05:33:20scorchetroublehelix: sure
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05:34:19troublehelixSo yea, if I'd like to help out, which (inexpensive) players should I be looking at that I can test code on?
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05:35:04troublehelixI have an IRiver T30, but I think it's ancient at this point, and I wouldn't mind having new player.
05:36:16scorchetroublehelix: the sansa devices are pretty cheap...you just need to make sure you get a v1
05:37:59JdGordonsoap: :)
05:38:00troublehelixWhat happens after v1?
05:38:18JdGordonperrikwp: arg... are the icons larger than the font?
05:38:27scorchetroublehelix: the v2 devices that sandisk rolled out a few months ago have totally new hardware and a port hasnt been done yet
05:39:47scorchetroublehelix: you will have the best luck on a refurb (buy.com and woot have been selling them cheaply), however v2s could also be one of the bunch too...i think a few around here might have a v1 they will trade for a v2 though so they can work on the port
05:40:23troublehelixscorche: Noted. You know, I actually borrowed a Sansa something-250 from a friend. I wasn't very impressed with the audio quality.
05:40:51troublehelixAny idea what the work for GSOC will focus on, or is that classified info?
05:41:03scorchetroublehelix: yeah...i am not either (one of the reasons i rarely work it into my rotation of devices
05:41:54perrikwpJdGordon: ok I'm back
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05:49:44perrikwpthe scrollbar is behind the icons in that one
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05:50:21perrikwpI hope its an easy fix for you
05:50:29JdGordonhopefully this is reproducable in the sim
05:50:38JdGordonI havnt seen this behaviour before
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05:50:56JdGordonbugger.. sim works fine
05:51:07JdGordonyou gonna be around for a while?
05:51:23perrikwpabout another hour or so
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05:52:16perrikwpweird thing is that it works fine with the ipod
05:52:20JdGordonrighto, ill try finding the bug
05:52:23troublehelixscorche: porting to another platform, porting as an app, or writing / fixing an ARM amulator all sound fun, but to be honest they all sound daunting.
05:52:35JdGordonit looks like something isnt set up corectly on the gigf
05:52:41perrikwpok
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06:02:13JdGordonperrikwp: arg, I have absolutly no idea why thats happening
06:03:33perrikwpso it works on every other target?
06:03:44perrikwpeven the gigabeat f sim
06:04:53JdGordonyep
06:05:19perrikwpthats odd
06:06:31perrikwplet me try compiling a sim, maybe its something wrong with my local svn, even though I patched a newly clean svn
06:13:16perrikwpok, now this really weird, the sim works, but the real target doesn't
06:13:28JdGordonoh goody :p
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06:35:18perrikwpJdGordon: I noticed another problem, I don't if this related to the patch or not, but when I try to disable icons, they don't go away. This happens in both the sime and the target.
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07:12:46JdGordonperrikwp: ah yes, fixing
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07:20:39perrikwpwell, I least one thing can be fixed
07:21:08JdGordonand has been, ill update the patch in a few min
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07:21:25perrikwpwell, I can't test
07:21:48perrikwpnow, have to get to sleep, class in 8 hours
07:22:56perrikwphopefully you will find the other bug and also get that fixed too, good luck!
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08:12:02markunhi SMB-Chmmr
08:12:23SMB-Chmmri just got a quick question: is there such a program that makes playlists for rockbox
08:12:36SMB-Chmmrso u click the file and add it to the playlist
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08:41:23JdGordonwho is the gigabeat F lcd guru?
08:42:29markunwhat do you want to know?
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08:43:16JdGordonwhat could cause http://student.elon.edu/kperri/2.bmp on target..
08:43:30JdGordonsim works fine as does it work on every other target
08:43:52JdGordonthe icons are not aligned to the text row whcih is should be
08:44:19markunI can't think of anything right now
08:44:27linuxstb_JdGordon: Is this with viewports?
08:45:31JdGordonyeah
08:45:33linuxstb_The Gigabeat has an asm-optimised lcd_bitmap_transparent_part() - looks like a bug there...
08:45:48JdGordonI was scared it would be something like that :(
08:46:05JdGordonthere goes my plan of commiting in the next few days
08:46:32amiconnlinuxstb_: Is that one from before viewports?
08:46:49linuxstb_Looks like it simply doesn't take account of viewports...
08:47:07linuxstb_amiconn: Yes
08:49:12*amiconn wonders why the gigabeat has that
08:49:25JdGordonto get an extra 0.01%?
08:49:50amiconnThe gigabeat, of all things, which is overpowered anyway....
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08:50:33amiconnAlos, gcc is quite good at optimising that kind of loops for arm (unlike other architectures)
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08:51:36linuxstb_amiconn: I've always wondered the same, but never got around to benchmarking it to prove we can remove it (or implement it for other targets)
08:51:36JdGordonso, can it be disabled untill fixed?
08:52:26linuxstb_It's trivial to fix, I'm doing it now.
08:52:33JdGordonsweet, thanks
08:53:14JdGordonare there any objections to commiting the list viewport patch without any customizability?
08:53:30*JdGordon fairyl sure there are no bugs left
08:53:49amiconnlinuxstb_: I didn't even know that the gigabeat has that optimisation, until today....
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08:54:36linuxstb_I'm sure we've discussed it before...
08:55:02JdGordonamiconn: any chance youll be able to test 8457 on your player sometime soonish?
08:56:18*JdGordon back in 20
08:58:16LinusNJdGordon: i think removing the customizability was a smart move
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09:12:58JdGordonLinusN: although, its only ifdefed out.. unless I should pull the whole lot?
09:13:07*JdGordon would rather keep the code there
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09:18:28LinusNJdGordon: personally, i would prefer to only commit live code
09:19:10LinusNi kind of like iterative development
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09:40:00linuxstb_I would agree with LinusN - SVN will just get very messy if people commit code which isn't enabled/finished.
09:41:02JdGordon8457 has been updated, with the unused code removed, would really like to commit this...
09:41:58markunLinusN: can you cange a wiki account for me?
09:42:08markunRikaRika to NikitaDev
09:43:23linuxstb_JdGordon: What's the binsize change?
09:43:56JdGordonhavnt checked
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09:46:47JdGordon500 bytes on rec
09:49:11linuxstb_That seems a lot - why is the code so much more complex than currently?
09:50:54JdGordonim hoping some of that is the viewport utility functions which I've added (nb lines and setup defaults)
09:51:42*JdGordon has a gander at the .map
09:51:54pondlifeCould someone who knows document the viewport API on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPorts ?
09:52:27pondlifeNot the innards, just the API
09:52:41linuxstb_pondlife: This page describes (approximately) how they work - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPortsDesign
09:52:50JdGordonviewport.o only comes to 0x8c length
09:53:03JdGordon140 bytes
09:53:04pondlifeYes, but no API.
09:53:08linuxstb_pondlife: But I agree a formal API doc would be useful - I'll try and do it.
09:53:28pondlifeI'd like to see a lot of API documentation... might start on it
09:53:43pondlifeVery simple - one line per routine/property
09:53:56pondlife(or one paragraph, rather)
09:54:48LinusNmarkun: try now
09:55:37markunLinusN: thanks
09:56:12pondlifeLinusN: Are we supposed to have only real names on the wiki?
09:56:16LinusNyes
09:56:20pondlifeI suspect http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CanonInteger isn't one
09:56:33LinusNpondlife: yes, we have hundreds of those
09:57:01LinusNthose are spam attempts
09:57:15pondlifeWhy not remove them?
09:57:21pondlifeBuyCheapAdipexOnline for example
09:57:30pondlifein http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers
09:57:33LinusNbecause i have a life
09:57:37pondlifehehe
09:57:38LinusNbelieve it or not
09:57:47pondlifeI'd do it if I could
09:58:01LinusNi am working on a script that makes this easier
09:58:03pondlifeBut maybe it's pointless
09:58:34JdGordonthe extra drawing logic for the viewport handling is only 200 bytes...
09:58:45*JdGordon not sure where the last 150 is
09:58:55LinusNthe plan is to regularly remove old users that haven't contributed
09:59:09LinusNmy script finds those
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10:00:26LinusNall that is left is the actual removal of the users
10:01:11LinusNbtw, work has begun on a completely new twiki
10:01:38pondlifePlanning to move over only checked content?
10:01:45linuxstb_What do you mean by completely new?
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10:02:54LinusNpondlife: we'll see
10:03:00skbohrai am interested in rockbox for gsoc 2008
10:03:15LinusNlinuxstb_: a new version of twiki, with added features
10:03:24linuxstb_LinusN: But same content?
10:03:34skbohraany body else
10:03:35linuxstb_skbohra: Welcome. Do you have any projects in mind?
10:03:41pondlifeAh, I misunderstood...
10:03:42LinusNlinuxstb_: yes
10:04:26skbohralinuxstb_ : i am totally new to rockbox but i am loving it i am passionate about it
10:04:46linuxstb_skbohra: If you're serious, we would suggest you download the Rockbox source code and start getting involved now. That will give you a big advantage when it comes to assessing applications.
10:05:27skbohraok can u give me the link to source code
10:06:20JdGordonalrighty, unless anyone is actually going to look at the patch today I'm going to commit it.. ok?
10:06:31pondlifeskbohra: Use SVN - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling
10:06:33linuxstb_A tarball is on the same download page as the binaries, or you can get it via SVN - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
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10:08:30linuxstb_JdGordon: Are there any visible changes, or is it all behind-the-scenes?
10:08:54JdGordonunless there are bugs I've missed (i dont tinhk so anymore) users wont see any change
10:09:03JdGordonmaybe a pixel or two off from svn... nothing major
10:09:50linuxstb_Then I say go for it...
10:10:06pondlifeWe can always revert ;)
10:10:11linuxstb_nd hope for nice deltas...
10:10:13pondlife(sorry, bad joke)
10:10:26linuxstb_pondlife: Yes, JdGordon will be sleeping soon...
10:10:40JdGordon:D
10:10:50JdGordonna, its only 8pm here... 4 hours at least to fix bugs
10:11:06markunThere are some skilled people discussing the Meizu M6 port on meizume.com. I which they would post their info on the rockbox forums, but maybe I shouldn't care.
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10:11:17pondlifeJdGordon: So you're not coming over to London on Thursday night? We arm-wrestle for red delta allowances.
10:11:26JdGordonman, i wish i could come
10:12:17pondlifeI kept losing and my punishment seems to be getting auto-dir change to work properly.
10:12:52*linuxstb_ is looking forward to seeing Shotofadd's D2 port
10:13:04*pondlife too
10:13:18JdGordonthats why I want to finish up this viewport patch.... I want to fix up playlist so playback doesnt know when the playlist ends (because it never would) so this auto change nonsense would be removed
10:13:35JdGordon.. i mean, playlist would handle that automagically, playback would be out of the picture
10:13:43pondlifeIndeed.
10:13:56pondlifeI'd still like to know why Lear changed playback.c for a bookmark fix.
10:14:09pondlifeBut I seem to be in a different time zone to him
10:14:19JdGordonbecause playback is the basterd child which seems to get his grubby hands in everything!
10:14:20pondlifeI'm sure it's a weakness in the playback API
10:14:37linuxstb_We have a playback API? ;)
10:14:42pondlifehehe
10:14:43LinusNJdGordon: you want the playlist to regenerate itself when changing directory?
10:15:06*linuxstb_ had better go to work
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10:15:14*markun too
10:15:16JdGordonsort of... I'm thinking a playlist which just keeps adding tracks automatically when a track is requested past the end
10:15:44JdGordonmy problem is dealing with the filename buffer when its near full but the playlist is almost finished
10:15:58pondlifeI'd like playlists to be majorly revised. The connection between STOP and playback clearing is a pain...
10:16:01JdGordonneed to fiddle without stopping playback to move pointers around
10:16:34pondlifeGeneration of a new playlist should occur only when playback is explicitly started - i.e. the browsers should do it.
10:16:55JdGordonof course, all this is only for when non stop playback is on...
10:17:24JdGordonisnt that how it happens now?
10:17:29pondlifeJdGordon: It would be nice if this could allow next track info to work across directories too
10:17:32pondlifeNot quite
10:17:37pondlifeIt's a bit murky
10:18:06pondlifeProbably just the UI, but I don't think I can stop playback then edit the current playlist
10:18:54pondlifeInsert starts playback for example
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10:19:00JdGordonit would fix next track info across directories
10:19:24*JdGordon not convinced insert shouldnt start playback
10:19:34JdGordonbut yeah, I think thats more a UI thing
10:19:40pondlifeAnd it clears the playlist too
10:20:25pondlifeThe "dynamic playlist" warning is inconsisent, so that doesn't help totally
10:20:54JdGordonthe whole playback UI needs reworking as well..
10:21:19JdGordonmaybe all that is needed is an option "start playback on insert" and a "clear playlist" option?
10:22:00pondlifeMaybe, but I'd like to think it's possible without an option.
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10:22:17pondlifeThat usabillity study idea for GSoC perhaps?
10:23:42JdGordona usability study from GSoC would be an amazing project
10:24:00JdGordonalthough, the result may not be very fun to fix up :p
10:24:13pondlifeHopefully it would result in simplification...
10:24:40*petur feels usability studies always end up being very much influenced by personal taste
10:24:49LinusNpetur: amen
10:25:22LinusNin exactly the same way that some people deem some features "useless"
10:25:23peturcould be a topic for devcon though ;)
10:27:32JdGordonchanging topics slightly... cabbiev2 should be renamed in the zip... probably to rockbox_defauit and the current rockbox_default should be rockbox_simple or something
10:37:04*JdGordon surprised to see cabbie doesnt enable the icons in the cfg
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10:40:06linuxstbJdGordon: Don't forget FILES when you commit ;)
10:40:25JdGordonthanks for the reminder
10:40:38*JdGordon was being a good boy and fixing 80 car width
10:41:39JdGordonwhats the command to fix the svn keywords?
10:41:44linuxstbCheck UsingSVN
10:43:27JdGordongrrr.... but at least I now know where to find that damn command
10:55:19markunalways good to hear things like: "Well that makes sense, but I removed Gigabeat Room and went to Rockbox. It was easy to install, and the new found freedom and flexibility makes the Gigabeat a fantastic player."
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11:00:14*amiconn would expect a binsize decrease from using viewports in almost all places... :/
11:01:05*JdGordon wonders why
11:01:15JdGordonvp adds a layer to the drawing...
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11:04:59amiconnvp should help to weed the conditionals that are scattered all over the gui drawing code now (like "if (statusbar_is_enabled) add_this_offset" "if (icons_enabled) add_that_offset" etc)
11:05:11amiconnweed out even
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11:05:45markunis the build time estimation bad or does it just take very long this time?
11:06:23JdGordonthe previous commits hadnt been "big"
11:06:31skbohrashould i need an ipod to test rockbox
11:06:40JdGordonamiconn: yeah. but that still happens and there is more struct assignemtns now
11:06:50pondlifeskbohra: No, you can use any target, or the simulator
11:07:17skbohraok
11:07:30pondlifeJdGordon: Red...
11:07:48pondlifeAlthough, just a bit
11:08:01JdGordonarg, lame
11:08:12JdGordonand im not freeking colourblind, nor am i running off...
11:08:24pondlifehehe
11:08:29JdGordonand its _my_ target anyway so no big deal
11:08:45*JdGordon will get to that shortly
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11:11:03JdGordonhehe the colour targets copped a beating!
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11:11:58pondlifeMaybe you can make that smaller??
11:12:08pondlife:)
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11:19:04amiconnJdGordon: No increase for the Player is interesting...
11:19:14*JdGordon smiles at the sudden realisation that the touchpad code got simple :)
11:19:24JdGordonamiconn: viewports are totally ignored for charcell
11:19:32amiconnOh, why??
11:19:50amiconnViewports are also about code unification, imo....
11:20:10JdGordon1) I dont have a player and cant be bothered trying to debug it in the sim, 2) I felt it was a massive waste with the 2 lines
11:20:24JdGordonif you want to merge it back in with te bitmap code then go for it
11:21:10JdGordonvp is about code unification, but the amount of #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP in the drawing funcitons would have been rediculously annoying
11:21:20amiconnhuh?
11:22:23amiconnIdeally there would be no such ifdef in the gui functions, except some very special places like the actual icon drawing
11:22:58JdGordonwell, yes it could have, but that would waste heaps of bin
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11:23:45JdGordonall the title drawing code, colouring, line counting.. and then when bitmap gets customizing... not fun
11:25:30amiconnColouring needs to be optional anyway
11:28:43*amiconn doesn't like this "lets make a special case" way of getting back with less thinking
11:29:03amiconnIt makes things less flexible and *will* hit us later
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11:35:41linuxstbJdGordon: Did you test changing the UI colours?
11:35:44linuxstb(in the settings)
11:36:31JdGordonno, I purposly left that for a seperate commit
11:39:01JdGordonthose settings are not the rgb hex value are they? they are just 0-128 (or whatever?)
11:39:19*amiconn thinks apps/gui/ should have no "bitmap" and "charcell" subfolders. That needs to be fixed - the sooner, the better
11:40:01linuxstbJdGordon: That was my way of reporting a bug - if you change the colour settings, they are not reflected in the UI (apart from the status bar) until the next reboot.
11:40:17*JdGordon put them there purposly to replace apps/recorder and apps/player
11:40:50JdGordonoh, your takling colour targets?
11:41:08linuxstbOf course, why else would i mention the word "colour" ?
11:41:59JdGordonI thought you were taling about greyscale for some reason :p
11:44:29JdGordonfixed
11:45:10*JdGordon makes a not to fix settings_apply() tomorow to allow partial apply
11:45:48amiconnJdGordon: Those should be renamed, and some stuff moved out of them
11:46:10JdGordonthey should be moved into gui
11:46:17JdGordonwhich is where all actual gui code should be...
11:46:52amiconnIn fact, the only things which should remain there is bitmap loading, the target specific part of icon handling, and *maybe* the vkeyboard
11:47:17amiconnBut the vkeyboard being different is mostly because of screensize, not a bitmap vs. charcell issue
11:47:50amiconnRadio and recording should be moved out there
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11:48:12*JdGordon agrees
11:48:41JdGordonthe apps/ folder needs to be discussed at devcon i rekon
11:48:46JdGordonthe thing is a mess
11:52:32LinusNhow can we handle charcell in a generic way in for example list.c?
11:53:45LinusNafaiu, list.c uses 3 viewports, of which 2 are to be ignored on the charcell targets
11:53:46JdGordonhow its done now.. list.c is split into drawing and movement/logic, which is the way I tihnk all screens should be coded
11:54:31LinusNan mvc approach?
11:55:24JdGordon*quick check on wikipedia*... yeah
11:56:39LinusN:-)
11:58:03amiconnWhich 2 viewports need to be ignored?
11:58:13amiconnI can only think of one - the scrollbar
11:58:13LinusNthe scrollbar and the status bar
11:58:24LinusNeh, the title
11:58:37amiconnAh, yes, the title
11:58:59amiconnBut since the title is optional on bitmap as well, there shouldn't be a big difference
11:59:08LinusNand aren't the icons separate too?
11:59:18amiconnCharcell has list icons
11:59:52amiconnJust that the code that optionally inserts title can be ifdefed out on charcell, but not because it's charcell, rather because it's just 2-line
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12:00:42LinusNso it's still ok to have charcell #ifdef's in the list code?
12:01:08LinusNor do you think it all should be handled at the viewport level?
12:01:53amiconnIdeally there should be no literal #ifdef charcell in the list code, but rather just a few that can be used to disable optional features (like the list title)
12:02:04LinusNin fact, i do think charcell is a special case nowadays
12:02:31amiconnI can imagine that the mrobe remote will have list titles permanently disabled too
12:02:41amiconnThat's bitmap - but only 79x16 pixels
12:03:06JdGordonyes, but thats the 2nd display so the code will need to be thee anyway
12:03:53amiconnYes, but then that even means some extra code (main lcd supports optional title, remote lcd will have it always disabled)
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12:05:01JdGordon? no extra code... the code to decide weather to display the title is used on all screens now
12:05:29amiconnok
12:06:33amiconnI don't understand what would be fundamentally different in list drawing between charcell and bitmap that warrants 2 separate implementation
12:06:57amiconnThere's just a couple of (small) options that charcell doesn't have
12:07:02*JdGordon was trying to keep it simple
12:07:18amiconnEverything else should be identical
12:07:27*amiconn is also trying to keep things simple
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12:08:46*gevaerts points out that an object-oriented language would sove this, then runs and hides
12:09:21peturnot everything of OO is bad, you know
12:09:22JdGordonwe should use python!
12:09:40*petur hits JdGordon with a beer bottle
12:09:46JdGordon:)
12:09:53*gevaerts assumes that this was an empty bootle
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12:09:56peturthought you were a snake
12:10:08peturgevaerts: of course
12:12:18sconehey guys i was hopeing you could help me with this problem, yesterday i installed rockbox on my 5.5g 80gb ipod and all was fine, and i could switch between ipod firmware and rockbox by using the hold button/reset method. after that i installed a theme using ipodwizard, and now i can't boot back into rockbox even when ive reset the ipod. The rockbox files are still on the ipod in the .rockbox folder
12:13:31sconeand by theme i mean a theme on the ipod firmware, not a rockbox theme.
12:13:46linuxstbYou'll need to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader - ipodwizard probably overwrote it.
12:15:08sconeWill that overwrite what i've done with ipodwizard? Im not sure how this works, does rockbox actually modify the ipod firmware or does it create its own with minimal change to the ipod fw?
12:15:45linuxstbThe Rockbox bootloader is appended to the end of the ipod firmware, and the ipod told to run that first, instead of the ipod firmware.
12:16:14linuxstbSo in effect Rockbox will replace the existing firmware with a combination of that firmware and the bootloader.
12:16:58sconeOkay cool so it shouldn't affect my theme. If your wondering why i care about the ipod theme, it's because i really just want to use Rockboy, and not the media features. thanks for your help.
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12:28:08linuxstbJdGordon: I'm trying to understand how your implementation is working... Is the list_draw() function called every time the user moves in the list?
12:28:09*petur votes to remove rockboy :)
12:28:41JdGordonyes
12:29:03linuxstbSo why is the viewport initialisation in there?
12:29:36JdGordonisnt it in list_init?
12:32:28linuxstbI'm talking about all the code in list_draw that sets up the various viewports - I thought it would just draw into pre-arranged viewports
12:32:49linuxstbSimilarly, the title shouldn't need redrawing every time the user moves in the list.
12:37:20JdGordonhmm.. /me sleepy
12:37:29JdGordonbut yeah, that could be fixed up
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13:14:47Bagder"The Olympus m:robe 100 finds new life with Rockbox"
13:14:51Bagderhttp://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.4241.5
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13:19:32linuxstbBagder: The port started "years back" ?
13:19:46Bagderhaha, yeah so they claim...
13:21:03linuxstbWe don't offer builds yet though?
13:21:27Bagdernot officially no, but they are on the download server
13:22:01BagderI think we just wait for a manual build
13:22:27linuxstbNice to see that blank square filled in on the current build download table...
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13:22:41Bagderindeed!
13:23:25linuxstbWhat do you think about moving the source download to the top-left? I think people may miss it at the end.
13:23:56Bagdersounds like a good idea
13:25:11amiconnWe don't recommend using tarballs anyway, do we?
13:25:12Bagderreload and have a look
13:25:38Bagderno we don't but some people can't reach svn from where they are
13:25:43linuxstbHmm, it splits the Archos targets though...
13:25:54Bagderand the irivers...
13:26:12linuxstbMaybe revert...
13:26:24Bagderyeah
13:26:59Bagderlet's add two new targets as then it'll go more to the left in the next row! ;-)
13:28:42linuxstbJdGordon|zzz: (for the logs, unless you're reading in your sleep) - now you've added settings_apply() to the colour setting functions, you don't need to explicitly set the colour in those functions - it's done inside settings_apply() (so you can reclaim a little green...)
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13:31:15skbohraany body tell where could i find source code for rockbox
13:31:52linuxstbskbohra: That's a Google summer-of-code qualification task....
13:31:57linuxstb;)
13:32:03Bagderhahaha
13:32:04gevaertsamiconn: i've been looking at the sg_modes errors. I can't reproduce them with sg_modes -e /dev/sdc, but I can with sg_modes -e −−hex /dev/sdc. Thing is, I get exactly the same on the OF and a random flash drive here. The traces also look similar on all of them.
13:32:05*Zagor faints
13:32:28skbohrai got it :)
13:32:41skbohranow i m qualified i guess
13:32:57linuxstbOh no, there are many more tasks we can invent...
13:33:16gevaertsNext one would be compiling
13:33:33skbohrayes exaclty
13:33:57skbohrai got a .rockbox folder
13:34:22skbohrawith so many folders in it
13:34:30Bagderlike "compile the test_fps plugin, run it and post the results on the rockbox-dev list" ...
13:35:45Bagder"Top Tips March 2008"
13:35:50Bagder=> http://www.custompc.co.uk/howtos/walkthru/601926/top-tips-march-2008/page1.html
13:36:09skbohrais it for me
13:36:13Bagderno
13:36:16Bagderfor everyone!
13:36:24skbohraok
13:36:48skbohrai will be applying for rockbox !
13:36:51skbohrafor sure
13:36:52*gevaerts already tried this "rockbox" thing
13:37:24gevaertsAnd I'm still thinking about investing in new players !
13:37:47Bagdera fair amount of Rockbox targets is healthy!
13:38:04*linuxstb isn't sure Mrs linuxstb agrees with that
13:38:15skbohrai m trying it with simulator
13:38:29*gevaerts doesn't have that problem ;)
13:38:40linuxstbskbohra: Do you have any devices Rockbox runs on?
13:38:42BagderI don't ask mrs Linuxstb either!
13:38:49Bagder:-P
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13:40:07skbohrai have a mp3 player
13:40:41skbohrabut i have not tried on it
13:40:51linuxstbWhat mp3 player is it?
13:41:12skbohraits a creative mp3 player
13:41:56*gevaerts thinks of another SoC test : describing which exact player you have
13:42:21skbohra"Creative" is a brand
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13:42:51linuxstbskbohra: Exactly...
13:43:01gevaertsExactly. That doesn't tell much about rockbox compatibility
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13:44:12skbohralemme me check ..
13:48:29skbohracreative fx 120, its not worth talking i know
13:49:34skbohrawill it work on it
13:50:07Bagdernot unless you work on making it happen
13:51:03skbohraok
13:52:51skbohrawhere should i start from
13:53:21Bagderrockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
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13:54:26skbohraok
13:59:31skbohrait looks like very challenging task
13:59:41LinusNit is
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14:02:13Bagdervery very
14:02:32skbohrai should start from some easier task
14:02:35skbohralike?
14:03:54skbohra:)
14:04:48linuxstbRockbox is about 6 years old - all the easy tasks have been taken...
14:05:11pondlif1What, like getting SWCODEC playback to be reliable?
14:06:38linuxstbskbohra: Seriously, you should probably try and buy a player Rockbox runs on, start using it, find things you want to change, and change them...
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14:07:38skbohrai will do that
14:08:31skbohrasuggest me one in my budget $75
14:08:56linuxstbPossibly a Gigabeat F from ebay
14:09:09skbohraok i will see
14:09:23gevaertsskbohra: One warning : once you start fixing something, you'll find other things that need fixing, which will lead to other things, so you can't actually ever use that player to listen to anything, since you're always testing
14:09:34*gevaerts knows that from experience
14:09:46skbohrashould i use simulator for develpoing purpose
14:09:55*linuxstb finds Rockbox does everything he wants, and has done for years
14:11:07gevaertsskbohra: that very much depends on what you are working on. If it's user interface or general playback related, you can use the simulator, but hardware-stuff (like USB work) requires hardware
14:11:33pondlif1Hmm, should we allow a D2 into a Tower yet...?
14:11:51skbohrais it for me?
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14:12:02linuxstbpondlif1: Of course... I'll be bringing my "targets" as well.
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14:12:34*linuxstb could probably build his own Tower-of-not-Rockbox :(
14:12:34pondlif1Maybe we need to do 2 Towers.. one current and one for the future
14:12:46gevaertsskbohra: if you ever meet other rockbox developers in person, yes. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TowerOfRockbox
14:13:34*gevaerts looks forward to that. Building towers is fun
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14:17:57skbohraits a great tradition
14:18:55skbohrarock box tower
14:19:48skbohramay be i'll be making mine one day
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14:20:22*gevaerts thinks that using a dock to stabilize the players is cheating
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14:21:52amiconnThat reminds me... the christmas Tower of Rockbox there is still only 93% rockbox
14:23:24linuxstbskbohra: This seems a good price for a Gigabeat F40 - http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Gigabeat-F40-40GB-Mobile-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ320224581672QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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14:23:55linuxstb(assuming you're in the US, Canada or UK...)
14:24:06skbohrabut i m from india
14:25:19skbohrastill i m checking it
14:26:38*linuxstb is almost tempted at that price
14:27:39skbohrai think i will get one from local shop
14:28:13gevaertsI haven't build a tower of rockbox yet, but I can stack things : gevaerts/bottles.jpg">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/bottles.jpg
14:28:15linuxstbNone of the players Rockbox works on are manufactured any more, so they're not easy to find in shops.
14:28:45skbohra!
14:28:52peturgevaerts: milk bottles???
14:29:03*linuxstb wonders if petur is triggered by "bottle"
14:29:10gevaertspetur: that was what the bet was about
14:29:53skbohrasome of us must be working on newer products
14:30:16linuxstbYes, but a new port takes a long time - so by the time Rockbox is working, the player isn't available any more.
14:30:25linuxstb(in general...)
14:30:53skbohrai think we need more contributors to solve this problem
14:31:18skbohrai myself come to know about rockbox only through gsoc
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14:32:19skbohrai m getting excited about working on this project
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14:38:48*linuxstb reads the "broken D2 thread" and would like to answer, but not sure where in the forums that thread belongs (but feels it does belong somewhere, as tcctool is a Rockbox tool...)
14:39:24skbohra_skbohra is now skbohra_
14:39:42skbohra_:)
14:40:54skbohra_there is some problem here with connection!
14:42:10skbohra_i will apply as a student in gsoc 2008
14:42:21peturskbohra: time to register your nick and learn a bit about irc
14:42:40skbohra_i guess i will be
14:43:25skbohra_:)
14:44:40skbohra_i m starting play with source code soon
14:46:21skbohra_rockbox for every player
14:48:44skbohra_what is needed to be selected in gsoc as a student application,
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14:49:50skbohra_response?
14:49:57linuxstb1) Patience...
14:50:26skbohra_ok i m waiting
14:50:50skbohra_2) passion !
14:51:54linuxstbWell, the people that were chosen last year all came up with good, useful project ideas, and showed an understanding of the issues involved in implementing them.
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14:54:44skbohra_i have just started looking at the project
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14:58:27skbohra_i am also having ideas i hate itunes
14:58:33*petur thinks that when we get selected for GSoC, students should prove to be able to compile rockbox and create simple modifications before getting accepted.
14:58:57peturmust draft some rules...
14:59:37skbohra_i will be doing that in time
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15:00:04peturskbohra_: nothing personal, I was just talking in general
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15:00:37skbohra_:)
15:00:50skbohra_it applies to me as well i know
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15:02:04skbohra_i would love hack into source code as soon as possible
15:02:15linuxstbThen start now...
15:02:29GodEaterno time like the present
15:02:39skbohra_just downloading the source code..
15:03:02gevaertsunless you're at work :(
15:03:15peturamen
15:03:16*GodEater looks round and realises he is at work too
15:04:29skbohra_internet speed here sucks!
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15:07:19linuxstbpetur: Rules are good... Not just for the initial selection, but how we plan to assess students and the criteria for success/failure.
15:07:33LambdaCalculus37Morning, all!
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15:41:04markunmorning LambdaCalculus37!
15:42:08LambdaCalculus37morning, markun!
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16:01:06Nico_Pyeah they aren't very good
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16:03:30gevaertsNico_P: Since you were asking, depending on postal services, I should soon have a Gigabeat F, which might/should support USB host. I'm going to try to do something with that.
16:03:46Nico_Pgevaerts: nice :)
16:04:36gevaertsFor now I have got as far as downloading the specs, so don't expect it next week...
16:07:03LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Good luck with your work. :)
16:09:06*gevaerts hopes not to get stuck on too many issues that require reading disassembled OF code
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16:11:58*gevaerts knows. It would be nice to get that fixed first
16:13:42gevaertsAnd after Benjamin_L's problems yesterday, I'm not convinced any more that it's only high-speed...
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16:17:55LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: What do you think it can be, then?
16:21:12gevaertsI think the possible causes are still the same, it's just that I thought that full speed wasn't affected
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16:23:13*LinusN fits an MK1011GAH (100GB, ZIF) in his H140
16:23:24gevaertsThe possible causes as far as I see them are : (a) wrong voltage on some regulator output, (b) some missing initialisation magic, or (c) (wild guess, because it doesn't work unboosted) some unexplained clock influence
16:23:53*gevaerts wonders what LinusN will call this new model. H200 ?
16:24:01peturwhoa \o/
16:24:03XavierGrLinusN: :O Does it work?
16:24:25LinusNthe USB connection works
16:25:04LinusNi am formatting it now
16:25:15*LambdaCalculus37 waits to hear good news
16:25:31amiconnLinusN: Does the MK1011 have those nasty largesectors?
16:25:33peturLinusN: but will it fit in the case?
16:25:34*XavierGr holds his breath and hopes that LinusN is doing a quick format :P
16:25:45LinusNamiconn: i don't know :-)
16:25:51LinusNpetur: yes
16:26:09pondlifeLinusN: Good news, might the same work for H340?
16:26:18LinusNpondlife: not sure
16:26:39XavierGrif it works for H100 I can't guess why it shouldn't for H300
16:26:43pondlifeI'm not familiar with the H140's innards
16:26:44LinusNthe h300 has less space for the hard drive, afaik
16:27:16XavierGrhmm if you remove the padding H300 has more space than H100
16:27:37LinusNXavierGr: it's not the height, it's the length
16:27:59LambdaCalculus37LinusN: Doesn't the adapter add extra length to the overall hard drive?
16:28:08LinusNLambdaCalculus37: it does
16:28:12XavierGrLinusN: you got the adaptor from the diuscussion in the ml?
16:28:19LinusNXavierGr: yes
16:29:02*LambdaCalculus37 will need backplates from H340s and the shell of an H140 before he can try any of this out
16:30:05XavierGrLambdaCalculus37: that's why I could never stand the idea of buying an Hx20 instead of an Hx40
16:30:44peturXavierGr: you can always to the CF mod, then you even have plenty of space left over
16:30:45XavierGrmy H115 is really limited with the smaller case
16:30:57peturs/to/do
16:31:09XavierGrpetur: I am thinking to do that with my H115, though it is somewhat expensive
16:31:43peturprices will drop
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16:36:43XavierGrhope so... a 32GB CF card is prohibitevely expensive, atm it is better to find a single platter disk
16:38:49amiconn~140 EUR...
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16:43:07LambdaCalculus37XavierGr: When my friend bought the H120 on eBay, that's all they had at the time that he could afford.
16:43:17LambdaCalculus37H140s tends to be overly expensive on eBay.
16:43:18peturthe big disadvantage is that the OF doesn't like the CF, so you need a HDD if you ever want to flash a new bootloader (unless the h1x0 flashtool also works for h3x0)
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16:46:27amiconnIt probably doesn't work as-is, e.g. because the flash size is different
16:48:27amiconnSo it needs some work, which should probably be done with having access to a bdm
16:49:19petur:)
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16:50:28LinusNhehe, rockbox works as-is on it, the sectors are 512 bytes
16:51:00LinusNFree: 93.1 GB :-D
16:51:15linuxstbIs 100GB the largest ZIF drive easily available or are there larger?
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16:53:08markunLinusN: wow, no space problems with the ZIF convertor?
16:53:16amiconnLinusN: Congrats to your H1100, H200 or however it should be called ;)
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16:53:33*linuxstb is awaiting a large drive (and a working port) for the gigabeast
16:53:52LinusNmarkun: not really, i removed the rubber thingy though
16:55:22linuxstbH1A0?
16:55:43XavierGrLinusN: Congrats, where did you get your HD and for how much? Also now that you confirmed that the adapter works maybe it is time to contact the guy from the ml and order a bunch of them?
16:55:43*linuxstb got that slightly wrong...
16:55:46LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: That works. :)
16:56:17linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Not really, 100 is 0x64...
16:56:30n1sso h164? :D
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16:56:41n1sor rather h0z164
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16:57:05LinusNXavierGr: i got it from a swedish web shop, http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010126416
16:58:53scorche|shin case people who are looking to be mentors havent seen it yet... http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors
16:58:54XavierGrseems cheap considering the prices of 1.8 drives these days
16:59:31LinusNXavierGr: that's excluding VAT
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17:00:27LinusNscorche: put that link in the wiki, if it isn't there yet
17:04:43LinusNheh, it fits with the rubber protection too
17:05:11*LinusN is happy
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17:06:27XavierGrLinusN: ah the dreaded VAT! How much is it there? 19%
17:06:32LinusN25
17:07:31XavierGr:O And I thought that in Greece it was among the higher!
17:07:49LinusNnever underestimate the swedes :-)
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17:09:16desowinvat is *only* 22% in Poland, so Greece definately isn't the best in that
17:09:44desowinbut that's rather #rockbox-community thing ;)
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17:22:03amiconnmarkun: Just in case you didn't see it yet: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/05/meizu-cebit-booth-shut-down-by-german-authorities/
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17:24:47GodEateroh dear...
17:24:53LinusNso now it's time to get hold of a MK8009GAH and see how that works (1024 byte sectors)
17:25:33LambdaCalculus37Looks like there'll be no Meizu M8s under the Xmas tree this year... =/
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17:29:22markunamiconn: I didn't see it, but I'm not surprised either
17:29:51markunI thought they had enough confidence to design their own players after the M6.. :(
17:30:56LambdaCalculus37markun: And the sad part is that the M6 is a fine little player in its own right, and I thought that they'd continue in that direction.
17:31:05toffe82is there any photos of the hd adapter used by LinusN
17:31:42markuntoffe82: you want to put a 80GB hdd in your X30? :) (or which X do you have?)
17:31:58markunah wait, no adapter needed for that one
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17:36:03markunamiconn: btw, I begin to think that there are no chips on the back of the PCB, it's just a very compact design.
17:36:54markunthe only thing I don't understand is why thy added the UDA1380 when a lot of sources claim that the SA58700 includes a wolfson core
17:37:10markunmaybe it's optional
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17:37:31markunI've also seen it with SDRAM included, but the M6 has a separate 16MB SDRAM chip.
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17:47:10linuxstbmarkun: What makes you think the M6 is their design? ;)
17:48:25markunlinuxstb: because it's not a direct ipod clone :)
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18:34:44markundoes mcuelenaere have commit rights?
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18:35:34n1sdon't think so, what's his real name?
18:35:48gevaertsmarkun: he doesn't seem to be in docs/COMMITTERS
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18:36:03markunhis ZEN patch is getting bigger and bigger
18:39:08LambdaCalculus37markun: IIRC his full name is Maurus Cuelenaere.
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18:43:41markunLambdaCalculus37: thanks
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18:47:39*markun can't wait to start hacking on the meizu :)
18:48:58linuxstbmarkun: What CPU (arm arch and speed) is it?
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18:50:26amiconnA boringly fast one
18:50:59amiconnAbout the only interesting detail is that it seems to be big endian, so some arm asm might need rework
18:51:07gevaertsjhMikeS: I've been looking at ata-c200_e200.c, and svn annotate tells me you might know about it. It seems that it decides (in the event loop) if a card is present by trying to mount it. This is problematic for usb, since (a) it shouln't be mounted at that time, and (b) usb makes it possible to format the card, so it doesn't have to be formatted at insertion. Can't this be handled the same way as in ata_mmc.c ?
18:53:12gevaertsjhMikeS: if it wasn't clear, the problems occur if the user swaps cards while connected.
18:53:38*gevaerts hopes that jhMikeS reads the logs...
18:54:13*amiconn thinks that should be possible, and not even very difficult
18:55:05amiconnI have no sansa myself though. Perhaps I can have a look at the weekend
18:55:57linuxstbShouldn't it be possible for us to use it in little-endian mode though? Unless of course there's a good reason it's running in big-endian mode...
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18:56:00*amiconn should probably try to concentrate on *one* problem at a time
18:56:08gevaertsI can do the changes, but I can't test on e200, and maybe there's a reason for the difference.
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18:57:29amiconnI don't think there is an important difference. Just the actual port pin is different (A7 instead of L3), and the polarity is inverted
18:59:14gevaertsI actually meant the difference between ata_mmc and ata-c200_e200. It's true that e200 and c200 don't really behave differently there, but maybe there are differences in bouncyness
18:59:33*gevaerts should learn to be more clear
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19:00:16LearHm, my e200 didn't reboot properly when I inserted the USB cable (with Rockbox running)...
19:00:28amiconnOf course the sansa should continue using the gpio interrupt. On SH1 we have to poll (within the tick task)
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19:01:08amiconnPolling would work too, of course, but using the interrupt is better
19:01:15gevaertsLear: in what way ?
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19:02:07LearFroze, with the wheel light on and dark-blue LCD (and no visible text).
19:03:13LearTried again, and now it worked.
19:03:25gevaertsOK, that's probably not my fault then. This seems to happen occasionally. You might see something on the screen if you put a strong light on it at the correct angle
19:03:42markunlinuxstb: 200MHz ARM940T + 120MHz Calmrisc16 + DSP
19:04:45pondlifeLear: Do you think it's possible that the bookmark fix could be done external to playback.c?
19:04:49*Lear wonders why one would want to mix CPUs like that.
19:05:05*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that's an unusual combination
19:05:05gevaertsamiconn: the debounce logic in ata_mmc does depend on using the tick task. I'm not sure how easy it is to do this reliably from the interrupt
19:05:14Learpondlife: Which one do you mean? The one where resume didn't work?
19:05:23pondlifeYes. Not that I've got much against it, but in theory there's no reason for playback to need fixing for a use case like this.
19:05:57pondlifeOr does it fix a more general problem?
19:06:12markunLear: apperently the Calmrisc is intended for audio decoding
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19:06:49pondlifeI'm struggling to get auto dir change fixed, and might need to mod the playback API a bit. Or at least understand what it's meant to do!
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19:07:56linuxstbmarkun: So you're going to make it interesting and ignore the ARM? ;)
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19:08:20markunno way :)
19:08:28markunI will try to make it as boring as possible
19:09:01markunmaybe even switch to little-endian in crt0.S ? :)
19:09:10*gevaerts finds more code that he probably wrote while being asleep
19:09:36linuxstbmarkun: Any idea if the calmrisc is big-endian?
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19:10:06markunno idea yet
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19:10:18markunI only disassembled the ARM part
19:10:30markunthere is a lot of data of which some might be calmrisc, I didn't check
19:10:34linuxstbSeems it's big-endian according to Bagder - the first google hit for "calmrisc16+endian" ;)
19:10:48markunthere are many many firmware files, non of which is encrypted
19:10:49linuxstbAh now, it's from amiconn...
19:11:31linuxstbs/now/no/ - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050427.txt - 00.29.26
19:11:53linuxstbBack when calmrisc16 was a Rockbox target.
19:11:54markunpreglow suggested we could do just the fft's and mdct's in calmrisc for example
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19:12:21markunthe meizu also plays back monkey audio
19:12:33markunI can do some tests to see how much the DSP helps
19:12:53linuxstbI would be curious to know if it can handle "insane"
19:13:03Learpondlife: But this really looked like a playback problem (not entirely sure why only this triggered it). What happened was that the thread told the codec to stop. Codec returned and the codec thread sent a stop message to the audio thread, then started playing the new track. The audio thread then processed the stop message...
19:13:17pondlifeAh, ok
19:13:38markunit looks like the Meizu has a bootloader in a 50KB ROM which can use the DFU USB protocol to flash the 1MB flash, so the firmware update should be pretty safe
19:14:14pondlifeI suppose we can't do a normal resume during playback....
19:14:16linuxstbNice. Is there some kind of usb-boot mode as well?
19:14:26Lear(The first "thread" should be the "audio thread".)
19:14:31markunlinuxstb: what do you mean?
19:14:34pondlifeYep, gotcha
19:14:37pondlifeThanks
19:14:59markunto load code directly into SDRAM?
19:15:09linuxstbmarkun: I mean can the 50KB bootloader be used to load data into RAM and run it?
19:15:10linuxstbyes
19:15:24markunno, I don't think so
19:15:46markunin DFU mode only 1 device showed up, which I guess is the 1MB flash
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19:16:50markunit could be SDRAM from which the flashing is done, but my first guess was that it was flash. We'll have to see.
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19:17:23markunto bad the dump function of DFU-Util doesn't work, or else we could see it by looking at the file size.
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19:18:56LambdaCalculus37ComposerDude: Hi there!
19:19:07linuxstbIs USB-DFU some kind of standard protocol?
19:19:24ComposerDudeHello LambdaCalculus37
19:19:37markunlinuxstb: yes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU
19:19:43markunhttp://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/DFU_1.1.pdf
19:20:04LambdaCalculus37markun: You were faster than me. :)
19:20:11markun:)
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19:22:07ComposerDudeI went searching for rb's svn checkout, and I can't find it.
19:22:31LambdaCalculus37ComposerDude: Hang on, I'll get you the link.
19:22:37LambdaCalculus37Did you already install Subversion?
19:22:46ComposerDudeI use tortoise svn.
19:23:00ComposerDudeLess to think about.
19:23:13DomonokyComposerDude: take a look at the wiki "UsingSVN" i think
19:23:21LambdaCalculus37ComposerDude: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
19:23:22ComposerDudeThanks Domonoky
19:23:30linuxstbAnd be careful about line-endings in your files...
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19:24:29amiconngevaerts: The debouncing would use the single-shot delays it is using now, operating it like a "retriggerable monoflop"
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19:25:22linuxstbmarkun: OK, so it seems different to what I was expecting... I hope the flash can take a lot of flashing...
19:25:51linuxstbmarkun: Is there any encryption or similar hurdles to overcome?
19:26:13markunno encryption. Maybe a checksum somewhere.
19:26:29markunthe biggest problem is that we don't have a datasheet of the SoC
19:26:33linuxstbDo you actually have the player yet?
19:26:47toffe82markun what Soc ?
19:26:54gevaertsamiconn: that would work
19:26:55markunno, it will be ordered this friday
19:26:59*linuxstb reads "Movie playback: AVI format" on the Meizu website...
19:27:15markuntoffe82: SA58700 / S5L8700
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19:27:34markuntoffe82: are you going to check your russian datasheet sources? :)
19:27:36scorche|shlinuxstb: how helpful...
19:27:58markunMeizu ships their player with virtual dub
19:28:32markunsome people were talking about rockbox as if it was a step back to play mpeg2
19:28:42markunmaybe it is, but just a small one I think
19:29:02toffe82yes, but how I can find something if smasung syas : The data sheet of this product is either in preparation or is not effective yet.
19:29:28linuxstbmarkun: I would like to see someone implement mpeg4 playback of some kind - just out of curiousity...
19:29:29markuntoffe82: here's some info: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/audio_decoder_chip_datasheet_051103.pdf
19:30:13markunlinuxstb: and let's put our mpeg videos in an AVI container so people stop complaining about the lack of AVI support :)
19:30:50linuxstb;)
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19:33:22LambdaCalculus37Everyone complains about lack of AVI support as though AVI were a video codec itself.
19:33:32LambdaCalculus37Doesn't anyone know that AVI is merely a container?
19:33:52ComposerDudeApparently they're too wise to use Wikipedia
19:34:42LambdaCalculus37Apparently so, ComposerDude.
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19:38:01linuxstbstripwax: Are you coming for b**r tomorrow? (avoiding triggering everyone...)
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19:39:25Horschtyay, b**r
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19:41:04jhMikeSgevaerts: a failed mounting shouldn't hurt it since it may be reset and attempted again
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19:47:46jhMikeSgevaerts: a card is only actually initialized on first use anyway but mounting is the first use fwiw
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19:54:51ComposerDudeOut of curiosity, is linux the only possible build environment for rb?
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19:55:06linuxstbmarkun: Are there any Creative ZEN Vision:M patches on flyspray?
19:55:22LambdaCalculus37ComposerDude: No, you can build using Cygwin in Windows, or on OS X as well.
19:55:23markunlinuxstb: I think he just posts them in the forum
19:55:24BigBambiComposerDude: OSX is fine, and you can use cygwin or a linux VM in windows
19:55:30linuxstbmarkun: Hmm...
19:55:35markunhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.msg117949#msg117949
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19:56:45markunme too
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20:08:58gevaertsjhMikeS: but if mounting fails, it won't broadcast SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED, so the usb storage driver can't use that to let the host know about it.
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20:11:28jhMikeSgevaerts: so you're saying that it would be better to have SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED no matter what and SYS_FS_CHANGED only if mounted? Makes sense.
20:12:39gevaertsjhMikeS: I think so, yes.
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20:14:48jhMikeSthen effectively "queue_broadcast((ev.data) ? SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED : SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED, 0);" instead of the "if (action & ...)" would do the trick I think
20:15:35gevaertsThat should work I guess
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20:36:56amiconnlinuxstb: Wouldn't that be b33r? ;)
20:38:26amiconnjhMikeS: The way hotswap is intended to work is that the card driver always sends SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED / SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED on insertion / extraction, debounced, but independent of any mount / unmount action
20:39:22amiconnMounting / umounting both need to send SYS_FS_CHANGED (that's the notification for the file browser)
20:39:27jhMikeSamiconn: the change I suggested would have it be consistent with that, correct?
20:40:37amiconnIf the card is under usb thread control (be it hardware bridge or software stack), SYS_FS_CHANGED won't be sent, but the insertion / extraction events still must be sent
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20:42:43jhMikeSso it needs one more check for being under usb control and SYS_FS_CHANGED broadcast skipped? I'm guessing SYS_FS_CHANGED should be sent on disconnect in that case.
20:43:27amiconnIt should not even try to mount when under usb control
20:43:56amiconnAlso, the SYS_HOTSWAP_* events should be sent before mounting
20:45:34amiconnSince the thread receives the SYS_USB_* event, it shouldn't be difficult to keep track of that
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20:47:22amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, the hotswap detection seems a bit strange to me. Iiuc it does the debouncing on the queue, so that there is a race condition
20:48:17amiconnAh, no, I misread
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20:50:17amiconnI'm not sure why this queue_remove_from_head() in the callback is necessary though?
20:51:09amiconnDoesn't timeout_register() re-register without firing if it's called before the timeout times out?
20:52:12jhMikeSit does
20:52:34amiconnok
20:53:48amiconnWouldn't it be easier to make the timeout callback directly broadcast SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED or SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED, and then just react to those 2 events in the loop?
20:54:30amiconnThis way the private event could be removed, and you don't need to check ev.data to decide whether to mount or unmount
20:54:53jhMikeSit's meant to avoid pointless broadcasting
20:55:03amiconnWhy pointless?
20:55:19amiconnThose events should be broadcast anyway
20:57:33Nico_Plinuxstb, markun: I suggested opening an FS task to mcuelenaere
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21:00:42amiconnAnd this way the sd thread could even block during usb without negative side effects
21:00:46linuxstbNico_P: When?
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21:01:02Nico_Plinuxstb: just before I said it here... on the ZVM port thread
21:01:04amiconnThe usb thread would still received the insetrion/extraction events
21:01:13amiconns/received/receive/
21:01:30amiconn*insertion even, grmbl
21:01:55linuxstbNico_P: OK, thanks.
21:01:57jhMikeSamiconn: I think it could be changed that way safely but the queue_remove_from head prevents insert (register), remove (regsiter), insert (register) from generating two "insert" events.
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21:02:45amiconnUnder what conditions would that happen?
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21:03:36jhMikeSremoval events could also flood the queue
21:03:53amiconnIf I understood what you said, reregistering before the timeout wouldn't make it fire, so debouncing should continue to work like it does now
21:04:26gevaertsThat could happen when the thread was blocked on usb. I think if blocking until disconnect comes back, all insertion/extraction events have to be broadcast (since the user can swap several times)
21:04:29Nico_Plinuxstb: FS #8686 :)
21:04:36saratogaI think we should put a note about GSOC on the front page so that potiential students know about it and see the wiki page
21:04:42amiconngevaerts: No it could not
21:04:44jhMikeSbut removal is taken to be detect more quickly whereas insert is given time to settle
21:05:14amiconnusb_wait_for_disconnect() waits for the disconnect event only, and eats all other events which may queue up before that
21:06:30*gevaerts shuts up an goes back to his work to separata usb_core and the class drivers
21:06:54amiconnWell, I've never seen duplicated insertion or extraction events on Ondio, and hotswap is handled like I described there, the only difference being that debouncing is done in a tick task (no gpio interrupts which could be used)
21:07:22amiconnAlthough, there's another difference: debounce timeout is symmetric in the MMC driver (300 msec)
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21:08:08jhMikeSas long as it correctly handles violent bouncing of the card in and out of the slot by the user (such as not pushing it to the click point and the card pops out again) I'm happy
21:09:50amiconnI don't think that delaying the unmount a fraction of a second is problematic. The files aren't accessible anyway, the forced "unmount" is rather just a cleanup (closing open file handles to aviod confusion when a different card is inserted
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21:12:07jhMikeSobviously not much can be done if the user really wants the card removed and something is being written, but that's just asking for trouble.
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21:13:07LearNico_P: Tried to trigger that buffering bug (missing last 15-30 seconds of a track) today, but failed... Either it is gone (I used a slightly newer build when testing) or difficult to trigger.
21:13:20Nico_PI guess the latter
21:13:36saratogaah there ZVM patch is now on the tracker
21:14:23jhMikeSMe continually has triggered weirdness like unboosting the CPU in the middle of buffering (which seems to happen between tracks)
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21:18:26jhMikeSLoading SPC can causes continous disk activity even when buffering has completed. Now, I don't know for sure if this priority inheritance work is responsible because unlocking a mutex with that can cause a task switch (if the new owner is higher priority and that isn't explicitely disabled) and maybe it gets confused if that happens.
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21:27:59amiconnjhMikeS: Sounds weird.
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21:34:58gevaertsAny objections to make a struct usb_class_driver containing pointers to functions in usb_storage.c and/or usb_serial.c (or others,...), in order to make usb_core fully (or nearly) class-driver agnostic ? This would make adding more drivers later easier, and get rid of most #ifdefs in usb_core.c
21:41:27jhMikeSafter having a quick look in there, that idea makes sense
21:43:53gevaertsI'll go ahead then
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21:44:44stripwaxGodEater/linuxstb - sounds good
21:44:46stripwax:)
21:48:06LambdaCalculus37Ahh, someone gives praise on the m:robe 100 port: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5147.msg117989;topicseen#msg117989
21:50:08linuxstbstripwax: You can make it?
21:50:15stripwaxYep
21:50:23linuxstbAn hour late as usual?
21:50:25linuxstb;)
21:50:28stripwaxYep :)
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21:55:49*linuxstb reads about the braille keyboard/display idea on rockbox-dev and thinks that would be a nice project for SoC
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21:57:16LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Brilliant idea, I say.
21:58:43LambdaCalculus37Good night, everyone!
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22:16:46bluebrotherdoes the recorder have some sort of software hold switch?
22:17:20JdGordonyes
22:18:26bluebrotherwell, then FS #1055 is already implemented. Or did I understand the request wrongly?
22:19:04Bagderiirc, the hold on recorder is only in the wps
22:19:42bluebrotherok, so the task is still valid.
22:19:56*n1s is sensing some FS cleanup
22:20:05*bluebrother too and likes it
22:20:12linuxstbI was about to say the same - a one-man tracker cleanup week
22:20:39JdGordonBagder: (i know im bugging you :p ) both my boxes are going 24/7 again. jdgordon.info:9822 and 9922 (9822 is the quad) if you wanna add hthem again
22:21:17BagderI never removed the one I added
22:21:48JdGordonstill pointing to lost.lostlogicx.com is it?
22:22:14Bagderah yes
22:22:20*JdGordon not there anymore :p
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22:24:44Bagdercan you make up a cname or something for the second host?
22:24:59Bagderit makes it a bit confusing if we use the same host name for multiple build servers
22:25:06Bagderas the logs don't show port numbers
22:26:15gevaertsIf you use ssh everywhere, you could use Host/Hostname settings and "pretend" they have different names
22:26:37*gevaerts doesn't know how the build servers are actually handled
22:26:45Bagderit does ssh and scp
22:28:01JdGordonok, just use 9922 then
22:28:06JdGordonsorry, 9822
22:28:54BagderI can in fact edit /etc/hosts on the build master and make up a name
22:29:02Bagderbut it feels a bit too hacky
22:29:07gevaertsThen something like http://pastebin.ca/929560 in your .ssh/config should work
22:29:19Davide-NYCI've been trying to point out required clean up of the tracker's recording section but I always find that for some reason the request *could* be valid.
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22:30:19*Davide-NYC Finds bugs reports from 2003 is particularly annoying. But what can you do?
22:30:26gevaertsThe Host bit also gets used as the key for the known_hosts file, so you won't get conflicts there either
22:30:41linuxstbDavide-NYC: See if you can recreate them, and if not, close it.
22:31:42*linuxstb wonders what Davide-NYC was talking about...
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22:32:30Davide-NYCThere's always some "far off in a corner" reason that I should not ask for them to be closed. Exaple: 1055
22:33:22linuxstbThat's a feature request, not a bug...
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22:34:45amiconnWe do have soft hold on archos nowadays. The recording screen doesn't use it though.
22:34:46Bagdernowadays there's very little point
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22:37:18peturnow that I think of it, is there any reason we don't use hold on h300 to prevent usb connect (for charging only)? The REC button is not nice at all (as it also triggers the recording screen - another unfortunate thing)
22:37:19amiconnwee \o/
22:37:42peturwii?
22:37:55linuxstbpetur: Why only the h300?
22:38:01*amiconn just sped up greyscale updates on archos by ~55%
22:38:19amiconn38fps for fullscreen now
22:38:21peturlinuxstb: good question, others too I'd say
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22:38:57*bluebrother wants a Wii :)
22:38:57amiconn(on recorder; Ondio is ~20% faster in the greyscale lib)
22:39:10Davide-NYCpetur: that is a great idea (hold+usb=charging only) This could also work for H1x0
22:39:27BigBambiH1x0 doesn't have USB charging
22:39:46linuxstbWhat happened to the idea of a prompt?
22:39:48amiconnIt would in fact for all targets with USB power and a hold switch
22:39:57amiconnA prompt would be nasty
22:40:07*linuxstb recalls a discussion about a prompt but forgets the conclusion...
22:40:17*BigBambi hopes it was no :)
22:40:35*bluebrother would prefer the hold switch
22:40:56*amiconn could probably live with it
22:41:01BigBambiHold would be good
22:41:09amiconnOf course there are targets where we have to use a button
22:41:28petursure
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22:41:33linuxstbWhich targets have usb-charge but no hold switch?
22:41:43amiconnRecorder FM/v2 and the Ondios
22:41:59amiconnAnd I am deliberately talking about usb power, not usb charging
22:42:33amiconnThe Ondios have no charging at all, as they are designed to run from non-rechargeable batteries, but they can still use usb power
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22:44:26*linuxstb finds the previous discussion - 12.22.23 on 14 Aug 2007
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22:45:06drkgeekHey, I just compiled the latest build last night, I installed it (for the divice disable update) and nothing but music plays. (like no picture) says incompatible version. Whats up with that?
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22:45:17pixelmalinuxstb: you know you can actually link the time? :)
22:45:40linuxstbpixelma: Yes, but I don't use the perl reader...
22:45:51jhMikeSmpegplayer is totally messed up now (menu's don't even draw the right color) :\
22:45:57Davide-NYCPlease correct me if I am wrong: On an H1x0 target, if this idea were implemented, one could solder the charger jack pins to USB +5v and ground and dispense with a charger or a custom cable. Correct?
22:46:22pixelmalinuxstb: I also only use it in case I want to use the links...
22:46:37linuxstbIn fact, the conversation started at 12.03, and my argument against the hold button was that it would confuse users who wonder why their computer doesn't detect their device.
22:47:14jhMikeSand it's freezing up when backing out of a submenu
22:47:18amiconnjhMikeS: So much for JdGordon's definition of bug free... :\
22:47:32jhMikeS:P
22:47:58drkgeekWhat does it mean when everything but music returns an (incompatible version) error?
22:48:06linuxstbDidn't he just say "no known bugs" ? ...
22:48:24BigBambiDavide-NYC: There was a discussion on this on the forums way back in the day, and there was the recommendation of some sort of capacitor (my memory is failing) inbetween
22:48:29linuxstbBut yes, I forgot to test the plugins today when I tried out the patch...
22:48:30jhMikeS"so unless any bugs show up users should not notice any difference. "
22:48:42stripwaxdrkgeek - sounds like you copied only the rockbox.model but not the plugings
22:48:45stripwaxplugins
22:48:53scorche|shdrkgeek: it means that you need to extract the whole folder (as you only...what he said :)
22:49:08drkgeekI compiled it myself last night.
22:49:10stripwaxdrkgeek - or you copied the rockbox firmware to the wrong location
22:49:24stripwaxbut the plugins to the right location ;)
22:49:34scorche|shdrkgeek: with patches?
22:49:34drkgeekdoesnt it overwright?
22:49:36linuxstbjhMikeS: Is there anything special about mpegplayer's menus? Do other plugins with menus work?
22:49:42drkgeekno it was default svn
22:49:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: only the sys event handling but this shouldn't involve that
22:50:02stripwaxdrkgeek - if by "it" you mean "your computer" then that's something we can't answer for you..
22:50:34stripwax(regarding overwriting - yes, you need to tell your computer to overwrite)
22:50:52drkgeekI left some things on mysansa when I installed the new svn.
22:50:53stripwaxdrkgeek - you did a "make zip","unzip", right?
22:51:00drkgeekyea I made zip
22:51:27linuxstbdrkgeek: I normally use the command-line unzip program - "unzip rockbox.zip -d /path/to/player/"
22:51:32stripwaxand you unzipped it, and told it to overwrite everything?
22:51:34bluebrotherlinuxstb: we could show a splash when charging-only mode is activaged
22:51:36*jhMikeS needs another plugin that uses submenus and returns to the parent menuy
22:51:38drkgeekYes
22:51:46linuxstbbluebrother: I have a feeling of deja-vu...
22:52:13drkgeekI got alot of errors during the compile/make zip
22:52:16stripwaxjhMikeS - anything with audio menu? e.g. minesweeper/solitaire?
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22:52:31jhMikeSthe menus are the wrong color in pictureflow but no lockup
22:52:56stripwaxdrkgeek - um, well that's the problem then. if it failed to compile, then who knows what versions of everything you ended up copying over (or not copying over)..
22:52:57drkgeekI'm using that command console for windows, cygin?
22:53:01jhMikeSand others
22:53:11stripwaxtry and "make" and fix the compilation errors first
22:53:14linuxstbbluebrother: But yes, I think a splash would be useful - maybe something like "HOLD detected - charging only"
22:53:32stripwax"make clean", "make" if necessary
22:53:39stripwaxyes, cygwin is what I use also
22:53:42drkgeekI know very little outside what the tutorials tell me
22:53:58Davide-NYCBigBambi: thanks, how do I search for that discussion? I'm using google (site specific) but I can't find it.
22:53:59stripwaxany error in compilation means it didn't work. "make zip" after that point is futile
22:54:06amiconnlinuxstb: The statusbar shows the usb charging icon...
22:54:07linuxstbdrkgeek: Assuming the unzip program is installed, and your device is E:\, you can type "unzip rockbox.zip -d /cygdrive/e/"
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22:54:17stripwax^ not if 'make' failed, right?
22:54:25linuxstbamiconn: My point is that a use may not know _why_ the player didn't connect
22:54:30linuxstbs/use/user/
22:54:31BigBambiDavide-NYC: I think it was back before the forums changed format, try searching just the archives in the forum search
22:54:33drkgeekit didnt fail, it made it and claimed it was good
22:54:51roolkubagder: could I send you a new m:robe 100 bootloader with dual-boot enabled for the download server?
22:54:53stripwaxyou just said you got a lot of errors during compilation/make zio
22:54:55stripwaxzip
22:54:57stripwaxwhich is it to be
22:55:08Bagderroolku: sure
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22:55:12amiconnA splash would be problematic (unless the gui does it in reaction to an event)
22:55:21drkgeekIt listed errors, but it said, "zip completed" or whatever
22:55:29drkgeeknothing about failed
22:55:35stripwaxok, so the errors mean it didn't work. errors = failure
22:55:37bluebrotherlinuxstb: did I propose that back that discussion too? ;-)
22:55:39drkgeekahh
22:55:46linuxstbbluebrother: Yes ;)
22:55:50stripwaxif "make" fails, don't "make zip", there's no point doing that.
22:55:54*bluebrother is currently doing too many things at once :o
22:56:06bluebrotherhehe, seems I still like my idea
22:56:07jhMikeSlinuxstb: mpegplayer does use the callback mechanism so it's probably something there
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22:56:14drkgeekso, how do i Purge the svn to be perfect again?
22:56:36stripwaxif you have a clean svn, you don't need to purge the source, just "make clean", "make" as I suggested should do the trick
22:56:40Davide-NYCamiconn: the even in question, could that be USB 5V detect with the hold switch enabled?
22:56:41linuxstbjhMikeS: So there are probably two issues - colours not being set properly in plugin menus, and the crash in mpegplayer?
22:57:00jhMikeSlinuxstb: that's what I see right now
22:57:06stripwaxdrkgeek - any information you can provide as to what the actual errors actually were will, of course, help us answer your questions better .. ;)
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22:57:51drkgeekI'm at school at the moment, but thank you for your help. goodbye! =)
22:57:56stripwaxt'ra
22:57:57linuxstbjhMikeS: Does mpegplayer use a lot of stack (in the thread displaying the menus)?
22:58:00drkgeekI'll try make clean
22:58:16Bagderroolku: uploaded and replaced the old one
22:58:27drkgeekif that doesnt help I'll go tutorail hunting
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22:58:45jhMikeSlinuxstb: no more than anything else should. in fact the most stack-hungry screen (Set Start Time) works fine
22:59:00Lukstrscorche|sh: ping
22:59:08*scorche|sh waves
22:59:29Lukstrwhat sort of no-ipod-required projects are there
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22:59:54*jhMikeS will double-check with a clean build to check if it's his idiocy
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23:00:53*amiconn made a slight mistake, speedup is "only" 50%, not 55%
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23:02:04scorche|shLukstr: there really is quite a bit that one could do without a device...you might be better off asking "could i do ______?"...then again, i could see someone purchasing a cheap refurb sansa for $45 from the first $500 payment
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23:03:06Davide-NYCBigBambi: I found the H1x0 USB charging Mod thread. It turns out that anything other than a wire may be superfluous. Good news! (maybe)
23:03:24Lukstrscorche|sh: hm I don't have much desire for an mp3 player personally though, my little-itty-bitty 128mb one works fine
23:04:01*amiconn wonders how a real shaded cube in cube.rock would look
23:04:22amiconnNow that the greylib offers that many shades, this would be possible on all bitmap targets
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23:05:47linuxstbOnly a cube? I'm sure you can manage more than 6 sides... ;)
23:05:49scorche|shLukstr: if you want to go by our idea list, i could see someone doing build overhaul, most of the "plugins" section, the infrastructure section, and can think of many other possible projects that could be done without a device
23:06:16Lukstrwill check it out
23:06:21amiconnlinuxstb: Of course, although the current code requires the shape to be strictly convex
23:07:21amiconnIt could e.g. cycle through the 5 platonic solids (in fact one of my old ideas)
23:08:01n1smake a soft GL implementation!
23:08:16n1sinsert open where appropriate
23:10:13n1sno but seriously the cube gets old quite fast ;D
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23:12:03jhMikeSlinuxstb: ok, the lockup doesn't happen with SVN but the color stuff still does. next I'll check to make sure to have a full update with my changed stuff.
23:12:04stripwaxamiconn - hm, 'strictly convex' faces only, no?
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23:12:25stripwaxcycling through the ships from Elite (in a creative-commons kinda way) would be neat
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23:19:02linuxstbBTW, I used cabbiev2 on the gigabeat for the first time today, and notice it shows "kB/s" after the bitrate....
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23:20:10linuxstbgrepping the other .wps files in SVN, it seems that Kbps is most common, but also kbps, or k or K...
23:20:11jhMikeSlinuxstb: It looks like my mpegplayer was just out of sync with things and no lockup now
23:20:19*Bagder enjoys seeing the creative patches showing up in fs
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23:21:44linuxstbjhMikeS: OK, so that leaves JdGordon with the colour bugs?
23:21:53jhMikeSyep
23:22:15Davide-NYCCouldn't http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6990 be modded really simply to allow for the hold switch USB charging mod? If so what changes need to be made so that the HOLD switch engages USB chrging instead of the (current) REC botton?
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23:31:09Davide-NYCDisregard previous idea. These are (slightly) different ideas. My memory is terrible.
23:33:11*linuxstb reads the google SoC timeline and didn't realise everything was happening so quickly - http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline
23:35:46saratogalinuxstb: our application is mostly ready to go, so it could probably be submitted today or tomorrow
23:36:00linuxstbsaratoga: Yes, I know.
23:36:16saratogathough i'd like to begin advertising on the front page before then so that people interesting in volenteering see the wiki page
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23:37:33ComposerDudeIt's good to see rb participating in SoC!:)
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23:38:07scorche|shComposerDude: we did last year too ;)
23:38:49ComposerDudeI'm having trouble with including m68k-elf-gcc in my environment... (rev: SoC... again!)
23:39:43ComposerDudeHowToCompile in the wiki doesn't explain setting up the linux environment.
23:39:59scorche|shComposerDude: have you had a look at simply running rockboxdev.sh? ;)
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23:40:37ComposerDudeNo, sir.
23:41:07linuxstbComposerDude: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler#Step_2a_Automatic_build
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23:42:58ComposerDudeThanks, linuxstb :)
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23:57:18gevaertsOK. I (mostly) finished my reorganisation of USB code. I still have to fix some coding style issues (mainly long lines), but anyone who likes to review code can have a go at the latest patch in FS #8562 (usb_cleanup.diff)
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23:58:41gevaertsI prefered putting it on FS first since I'd like to get some review first, before I commit something that lots of people disagree with.

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