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#rockbox log for 2008-03-05

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00:38:32pixelmaroolku: is dual boot already possible on the m:robe100 and if so how do you start into the OF?
00:40:43*amiconn would guess that it is possible, and works the same way as on H10
00:41:33pixelmamaybe, but which button serves as "cancel" or "rewind" button here...
00:41:52roolkupixelma: the bootloader hasn't been touched after the touchpad driver was written, so it needs a little work at least...
00:42:53roolkunot sure it is sensible to use the touchpad - maybe activate with the hold switch?
00:44:14pixelmaso it's not implemented yet?
00:44:51roolkujust checking how easy it is to get it to work, but yes, right now not implemented
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00:46:56pixelmathe Ipods use the hold swith for that bt since I don't have one I can't tell how I'd like it. I'm just gathering info for restructing the installation chapter of the manual
00:47:03pixelmas/bt/but
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00:51:57amiconnThe ipods only have it on hold because button detection in the bootloader isn't reliable
00:53:36amiconnIt's nasty in several ways. First, plugging usb powers up the device even if hold is enabled, causing it to boot into the OF, hence requiring a reset to get back into rockbox
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00:54:21amiconnAnd since hold is also used for clearing settings (later in the rockbox boot sequence), timing is critical
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00:56:16roolkuhm, it doesn't seem to work with the touchpad - presumably because you need to touch it after initialisation and before it is checked which is kind of difficult
00:56:33amiconnOn 1st..3rd Gen and Mini 1st Gen, button detection is reliable so we could use buttons
00:56:48roolkuso I tried the power button which is the only physical button which works somewhat
00:58:37mud-rbanyone on who works with usb? someone might want to look at firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c lines 477-481. i don't know how to fix it, but it's basically doing if(something) do_x(); else do_x(); do_y();
00:58:50roolkuit boots the OF, but I only get a splash: !RETRY TO SYNCHRONIZE - I haven't used the OF, so I have no idea what this is about
00:59:09amiconnThe later ones use the opto controller for the buttons. I'm not sure what the problem is. Could be either that the controller doesn't detect states, but only changes, so a button pressed before init won't be detected, or it has to do with the fact that the bootloader uses a polling driver, because we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader
00:59:58amiconn...and that polling driver being unreliable for some reason
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01:00:21roolkuyes, forgot about that - no interrupts no touchpad.
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01:04:23roolkuokay, I seem to have deleted some relevant files for the OF. It also gives me the message when I rename it back, so not rockbox specific
01:04:29*roolku goes googling
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01:10:57roolkubah, something to do with the songdatabase out of sync, never mind. I think the power button is the best solution: short press to boot rockbox, long press for OF
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01:11:20roolkubah, something to do with the songdatabase out of sync, never mind. I think the power button is the best solution: short press to boot rockbox, long press for OF
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01:11:58roolkupixelma: btw does that mean you are editing the manual?
01:12:50pixelmahaven't started the "real" work, just doing the research and thinking
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01:16:36pixelmabut now, sleep
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02:40:49niikoI'm thinking of updating the rockbox build on my player, does Rockbox Utility take care of everything for me when I go to "Install Rockbox"?
02:41:16niikoSorry, nevermind, just found it in the manual!
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03:11:01terinjokesanyone have suggestions to which quality i should set my OGG encoder to have good sound and a decent file size?
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03:12:38soapthat's really an inquiry best served at hydrogenaudio.org's wiki if you are unable / unfamiliar with ABX tests.
03:13:53terinjokessoap: was that toward me?
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03:14:39soapyes terinjokes it was.
03:15:01terinjokessoap: hrm... is q3 ok?
03:15:40terinjokesfor wikinews we run with q0 (but that's talk only...)
03:17:10soapneeded bitrates to achieve transparency in music is very much a personal issue and (no offense) very much not a Rockbox issue.
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03:20:35terinjokessoap: point taken, but i'm using it on rockbox, and i think you for your help... think q4 will be OK
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04:34:32JdGordonanyone around to test out a patch?
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04:46:15perrikwpJdGordon: What kind of patch?
04:48:05perrikwpJdGordon: I'd be willing to test the patch for you. I have a Gigabeat F and a iPod Mini 1 Gen to test on.
04:49:50JdGordonI'm reworking the way the lists are drawn
04:50:02JdGordonbassically, if it works you shouldnt notice anything different
04:50:09*JdGordon porepares a patch
04:50:14perrikwpo, ok
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04:55:21JdGordonperrikwp: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8457#comment22125
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04:56:09perrikwpok give me a couple of minutes to get it working
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04:57:17JdGordonI'd be more interesting in you tyesting it on the ipod than the gigabeat because i've been testing on a colour target anyway
04:57:57webguest73hi guys i have a question i have been having problem installing rockbox on my ipod. i've never had this problem before and the last time you guys told me to restore my ipod and try again. i restored it and it still doesn't boot into rockbox.
04:58:48perrikwpok
04:59:49webguest73i really dont know what is going on. i used to have rockbox on my ipod the suddenly it just stopped wprking out of nowhere.
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05:00:28webguest73i have been using it for about two years now. i have an ipod video with 30 gigs. 5th generation.
05:00:44webguest73please help. :)
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05:01:34JdGordonyou habnt given us much to work with... whats the actual proble?
05:02:09Beta2Knite all :)
05:03:53niikoI'm confused, does the cpchan custom build support album art?
05:04:14JdGordonit would be pretty suucky if it didnt... seen as the official builds do
05:04:28niikoTHEY DO?!
05:04:41niikoIs this a recent development?
05:04:45webguest73i cant boot into rockbox anymore it stays at the apple logo and i have no problem when intalling it manually with the rockbox utility tool.
05:05:50perrikwpJdGordon: Ok it's loaded
05:06:09JdGordonok, have a play and let me know if anything looks funny
05:07:03perrikwptwo things look funny: 1. scrolling down the item selector goes down only to the second to last item then starts scrolling
05:07:52perrikwp2. same as last when scrolling up,but only goes up to the 3rd from top item and then starts scrolling
05:07:56JdGordonhow far did it used to go?
05:08:05Lloreanniiko: Not that recent, see the MajorChanges wiki page
05:08:43perrikwpif I remember correctly, i think it goes all the way to the last item, but i had better check
05:08:52JdGordonit shouldnt have...
05:09:03JdGordoniirc its always meant to be 2 or 3 off the top/bottom
05:09:08JdGordonthey should eb the same though
05:09:10perrikwpok
05:09:21perrikwplet me check with the current build
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05:12:54perrikwpok, never mind about what I said, its functioning correctly, its just been a while since I have used the ipod
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05:15:09JdGordonno oddness with the colours?
05:16:05perrikwpnot on the ipod mini
05:16:16perrikwphaven't tried the gigabeat yet
05:16:54JdGordongood good...
05:17:11*JdGordon wonders if he can get soap and Llorean to test 8457
05:20:37niikowill the official build of rockbox not accept album art with the filname "folder.bmp"?
05:20:45Horschtcover.bmp
05:20:54niikoalright, thanks
05:21:14Horschthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
05:21:25Horschtfor more information on naming/location
05:22:28soapJdGordon, will do - tomorrow
05:22:41niikoThanks, I was looking at it already but I wasn't clear on whether "cover" was the required name if I wasn't going to go with the other options... basically I was wondering if, failing everything else, it would look for any picture in the direction with the current song
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05:23:14JdGordonsoap: ok, although I'd really like to get it commited soon, tonight even...
05:23:47perrikwpJdGordon: Problem on Gigabeat F
05:24:03perrikwpicons do not line up with items in list
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05:25:27soapJdGordon, it's 11:30pm here - I gotta get to sleep - there is no way I can do it until 18 hours from now :(
05:25:52perrikwpit also shows the scrollbar under the icons
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