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| 00:03:08 | gevaerts | Soap_: did you find some time to look into these voltage measurements we talked about a few days ago ? |
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| 00:04:16 | Soap_ | I'm out of town - but willing to do it - but will need guidance on where to probe and under what conditions. |
| 00:04:40 | Soap_ | We had only talked about the idea, not the implementation If I Recall Correctly. |
| 00:05:27 | gevaerts | Indeed. I believe you said you were going to see if it was at all possible first |
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| 00:06:20 | gevaerts | Things like being able to run it while being open with the PCB accessible |
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| 00:07:52 | Soap_ | yea - I need to do that - I picked up the Fluke last night. |
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| 00:15:22 | Bagder | and now bedtime! |
| 00:15:44 | gevaerts | Good idea |
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| 00:36:39 | stripwax | anyone (gevaerts?) know what the difference is between an ipod set to "enable disk use" and an ipod not set to "enable disk use" in iTunes, at the USB level? |
| 00:37:58 | petur | [00:16] <−− gevaerts has left this server ("Bagder is right"). |
| 00:38:19 | stripwax | so he has. anyone else happen to know? |
| 00:38:36 | petur | no ipoo here |
| 00:39:39 | stripwax | sorry? |
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| 00:40:21 | petur | can't help you, I'm no ipod user |
| 00:40:43 | linuxstb_ | stripwax; All I know is that there is an "ipodcontrol.exe" service running, which is some way intereferes with the ipod's normal UMS behaviour. (on Windows, presumably something comparable on OS X) |
| 00:40:55 | linuxstb_ | Or maybe ipodservice.exe |
| 00:41:40 | linuxstb_ | So I think it's more a WIndows thing than USB thing. |
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| 00:42:55 | stripwax | linuxstb - oh, ugly. thanks |
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| 00:46:28 | linuxstb_ | stripwax: Any reason you asked? |
| 00:48:50 | stripwax | linuxstb - not really. Was looking at the SoC list, read about the MTP suggestion, and then wondered how itunes prevents the disk showing up if it's using UMS under the hood. |
| 00:50:02 | stripwax | 'not' enabling disk use also seems to remove the need to 'safely remove hardware' from Windows before removal. |
| 00:50:18 | scorche|sh | there are some folk around who know more specifics, i think...there is a person in #gsoc who has been working on itunes compatibility with wine who might know more...not sure |
| 00:51:34 | stripwax | ta |
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| 00:55:09 | linuxstb_ | I very much doubt itunes still thinks a Rockbox'd ipod is an ipod (with our native UMS stack) |
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| 00:59:19 | * | stripwax agrees |
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| 01:08:28 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't understand how "support for syncing with itunes" can be implemented in Rockbox, apart from converting the itunesdb to Rockbox format, which can already be done |
| 01:09:56 | Llorean | Well, handling any steps we'd have to do to convince iTunes we are an iPod, right? |
| 01:10:12 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but then what? |
| 01:10:20 | Llorean | I'd imagine that's it. |
| 01:10:44 | * | stripwax places bets |
| 01:10:48 | Llorean | Sorry, I just wandered into the discussion. |
| 01:10:51 | linuxstb_ | All that means is that itunes continues to update it's own database, obfuscate the filenames, and Rockbox continues to ignore it |
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| 01:11:20 | linuxstb_ | I'm talking about the project idea on the SoC page |
| 01:12:09 | Llorean | Ah yes |
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| 01:12:51 | Llorean | Might want to clarify that we have no interest in natively reading the iTunes database files instead of our own, and that it would really just be a matter of getting iTunes to recognize iPods (or any software USB device) as an iPod. |
| 01:13:34 | linuxstb_ | But is that really a SoC project? |
| 01:13:58 | linuxstb_ | Even if we did want Rockbox to mimic the Apple firmware (which I'm not convinced we do) |
| 01:14:02 | Llorean | I don't think "iTunes support" is by any stretch. |
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| 01:14:50 | Llorean | MTP support seems like it could be an SoC project. |
| 01:15:04 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I agree with that. |
| 01:15:24 | linuxstb_ | So no objection if I remove references to itunes from that proposal? |
| 01:15:31 | Llorean | None at all by me |
| 01:17:41 | linuxstb_ | If I'm reading the history of that page correctly, saratoga added it... |
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| 01:30:01 | saratoga | linuxstb_: I was thinking of convincing itunes that rockbox is an ipod, and then updating the iTunes database where appropriate (play counts, playlists, etc) |
| 01:30:20 | linuxstb_ | How would that updating happen (and when?) |
| 01:30:47 | linuxstb_ | I don't think I would like to see support for the itunesdb in the core Rockbox |
| 01:30:58 | saratoga | presumably we could sync the itunes database on USB insert and disconnect |
| 01:31:17 | saratoga | it should be a fairly quick operation i'd think |
| 01:31:46 | Llorean | So just taking the runtime data and sharing it between the two? |
| 01:32:16 | saratoga | well that and tricking itunes into syncing rockbox in the first place |
| 01:32:34 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:32:38 | saratoga | which presumably would involve some USB trickery, particularly if you wanted it to work with a non-apple player |
| 01:32:39 | linuxstb_ | The user can simply boot into the Apple firmware if he/she wants to sync with itunes though. |
| 01:33:10 | Llorean | linuxstb_: We could add an option in the menus to use emergency disk mode instead of Rockbox USB even. |
| 01:33:46 | saratoga | i'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players |
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| 01:34:29 | saratoga | i don't have any particular interest in itunes per se |
| 01:34:37 | linuxstb_ | I just don't think itunes support can be added in a clean way. The itunesdb is also a moving target - so someone will keep needing to fix it when Apple release new versions of itunes... |
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| 01:34:39 | Llorean | I'd stick with keeping the focus on MTP then. |
| 01:35:05 | Llorean | As far as "iTunes Support" goes, I don't think we really need to do any more than we do now. |
| 01:35:16 | linuxstb_ | We couldn't do any less... ;) |
| 01:35:24 | saratoga | linuxstb_: its a moving target for new ipods, but old ones still work |
| 01:35:41 | saratoga | so theres still support for Ipod 1G databases in there somewhere |
| 01:36:02 | saratoga | which presumably has been static since 2003 when Apple stopped updating the 1G firmware |
| 01:36:23 | linuxstb_ | Yes, there is that - we're now only supporting "obsolete" ipods... |
| 01:37:44 | linuxstb_ | Maybe split the proposal into two distinct projects then - MTP support and "integration with itunes" |
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| 01:38:41 | saratoga | if you want to edit it, feel free |
| 01:38:58 | saratoga | i was mostly just thinking that iTunes support alone probably wasn't enough to warrent a summer's worth of work |
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| 01:40:34 | JdGordon|uni | jhMikeS: whats the mpegplayer problem? |
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| 01:40:56 | linuxstb_ | It's not an mpegplayer problem - it's a general problem with colours in lists in plugins - they don't work... |
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| 01:41:40 | SoapHotel | <saratoga> i'm mostly just thinking about syncing playlists, playcounts, album art, etc with various media players |
| 01:42:12 | SoapHotel | 1 - Isn't iTunes album art embedded? 2 - Aren't iTunes smart playlists scripts which get executed on the iPod? |
| 01:42:23 | linuxstb_ | No and No (IIUC) |
| 01:42:37 | * | JdGordon|uni sees colour in the lists |
| 01:42:50 | linuxstb_ | According to jhMikeS they're not the right colours... |
| 01:42:53 | Llorean | SoapHotel: I think that for #2, they're scripts executed by iTunes when syncing. The "smart" playlist is actually static until next sync, afaik |
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| 01:43:23 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that's my understanding (from what I've read/been told) |
| 01:43:27 | scorche|sh | SoapHotel: for number 1, itunes extracts it out of the tags when syncing iirc |
| 01:44:24 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think there's an album-art database storing uncompressed pre-scaled bitmaps. |
| 01:44:27 | SoapHotel | That's what I get for never using iTunes, but from what people had said (raved) about iTunes you could make a smart playlist "Songs from 1996 I haven't heard in six months" and it would be good forever. Really not all that impressive if it is nothing more than a static playlist which only gets updated on sync. |
| 01:44:56 | SoapHotel | you don't have to tab-complete me as SoapHotel - Soap is fine. |
| 01:44:58 | Llorean | Everything i've heard suggests they're only smart on sync. |
| 01:45:08 | Hodapp | I am too lazy to make playlists. |
| 01:45:13 | Llorean | Which basically puts our database a step ahead of their smart playlists |
| 01:45:26 | scorche|sh | SoapHotel: this is 2 keystrokes... Soap is 4 |
| 01:45:35 | scorche|sh | plus colon |
| 01:45:36 | linuxstb_ | Apart from the lack of UI to create them... |
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| 01:45:45 | Llorean | True |
| 01:45:51 | saratoga | smart playlists work on the PC too though right? |
| 01:45:57 | saratoga | thats probably worth something to a lot of people |
| 01:46:25 | scorche|sh | i have heard smart playlists as an often asked question when introducing itunes power users to rockbox |
| 01:46:30 | linuxstb_ | Yes, lots of things work in itunes, but are only partially (or not at all) supported on the ipod. Crossfade for example. |
| 01:46:36 | scorche|sh | that wouldnt be a bad SoC project... |
| 01:46:53 | stripwax | ogg vorbis, even/ |
| 01:47:01 | Llorean | Improved playlisting and database support might be nice. |
| 01:47:10 | * | scorche|sh nods |
| 01:47:22 | Llorean | For example, being able to define "smart playlists" within tagnavi that are like, "the 100 songs I haven't heard in the longest time". Specific numbers of songs, basically |
| 01:47:34 | Llorean | And, folders and EXTM3U data in .m3u files |
| 01:47:35 | * | linuxstb_ just wants some students who have a clue, and doesn't care what they do |
| 01:47:43 | * | Llorean will settle for that. :) |
| 01:48:00 | Llorean | Well, I do care slightly |
| 01:48:08 | Llorean | I want it to be something we'd actually like to commit when it's done. :) |
| 01:48:12 | scorche|sh | Llorean: want to add that to the wiki then? ;) |
| 01:48:13 | saratoga | about students, are we going to try and advertise any? |
| 01:48:34 | saratoga | i was thinking of posting to some mailing lists and such at universities where i know people |
| 01:48:50 | Llorean | scorche|sh: I'll try to remember to do it when I can put together an actual "project"-scope description of it. |
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| 01:49:13 | scorche|sh | saratoga: well, i am doing it in a non-annoying way in #gsoc when a suitable student asks about projects with certain interests which are applicable |
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| 01:50:35 | linuxstb_ | We should replace the Rockbox splash logo with an SoC advert... |
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| 01:52:02 | scorche|sh | upon announcment of us being accepted, maybe... |
| 01:52:04 | saratoga | linuxstb_: i like that |
| 01:52:09 | * | scorche|sh adds an e |
| 01:54:05 | saratoga | would adding a container interface to rockbox be a good project? |
| 01:54:20 | saratoga | i've been wondering about supporting things like mp3 in MP4 container and MKA |
| 01:55:30 | linuxstb_ | Is that actually useful? I can see that it's nice in theory, but is it worth the complication? (and does anyone actually do that kind of thing?) |
| 01:55:59 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't want to end up with ffmpeg... |
| 01:56:15 | saratoga | eventually we might want that for mpegplayer |
| 01:57:22 | Llorean | There's a couple ideas for SoC |
| 01:57:29 | Llorean | Expanding jpegviewer into "imageviewer" |
| 01:57:39 | Llorean | And expanding mpegplayer to supporting one, or more, added codecs. |
| 01:57:56 | linuxstb_ | Not really - mpegplayer need the audio/video codecs optimised together (sharing IRAM for example), I can't see how you can split them and use arbitrary combinations of codecs. |
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| 01:59:22 | saratoga | I think in the long term iram sharing isn't going to matter too much since either we'll have so much we don't care (AMS chips) or fast enough caching we don't need it |
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| 02:02:56 | linuxstb_ | Maybe, but we haven't reached that stage yet - the vast majority of current targets are still very limited. |
| 02:03:58 | saratoga | true but the vast majority of targets are always going to be MPEG2 only |
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| 02:04:26 | saratoga | H.264 is probably always going to be reserved for the Gigabeats and DSP chips on the Zen or whatever |
| 02:04:38 | saratoga | assuming we get it implemented at all |
| 02:05:00 | saratoga | that reminds me, does the Zen or D2 use IRAM? |
| 02:05:06 | Llorean | There's still MPEG-4 |
| 02:05:16 | Llorean | Or rather ASP |
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| 03:35:29 | TomA | I want to know how I can post another good encoding program for the mpegplayer plugin, it is SuperC. It can encode into and from many different formats with an easy to use interface. |
| 03:36:44 | countrymonkey | Get wiki access. If you got some, you should be able to just add to the wiki. |
| 03:36:56 | TomA | How do I do that? |
| 03:37:55 | countrymonkey | There is a link somewhere called "register yourself". Look around; it has been a while since I did it. I think it is on the main wiki page. Click that link, follow the directions, and report back here; I can give you write permission. |
| 03:38:06 | TomA | ok |
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| 03:39:08 | linuxstb | TomA: Isn't that just another front-end to ffmpeg? |
| 03:39:09 | Llorean | TomA: Are you referring to SUPER? |
| 03:39:33 | Llorean | SUPER isn't a front end. It's a hackish program put together containing bits of ffmpeg, DLLs from other programs, and basically a whole mess of copyright infringing, from what I've read. |
| 03:40:37 | Llorean | Or rather, isn't "just" a front end. |
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| 03:41:21 | * | linuxstb was struggling to find out some details on the Super (C) website... |
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| 04:08:38 | TomA | I registered can someone authorize me or whatever to post wikis |
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| 04:20:23 | linuxstb | TomA: IMO, that site is such a nightmare that I wouldn't want to advertise it and make people jump through their hoops... I can't even seem to download it (with firefox) |
| 04:25:21 | TomA | sorry if you posted a while back I was looking around the site |
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| 04:28:47 | TomA | It took some time for me to find the link to the download but here is the best way I can give directions, |
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| 04:29:40 | TomA | first go to the top of the page move over freeware/superc/then click download |
| 04:30:29 | TomA | On the page that comes up scroll all the way to the bottom and click "start downloading superc" |
| 04:31:00 | linuxstb | Exactly... Why do they need to do that? |
| 04:31:10 | TomA | on the next page right near the top in blue is download an use click that |
| 04:31:18 | TomA | don't ask me |
| 04:31:55 | TomA | then at the bottom of the next page is the link to download the superc setup file |
| 04:33:30 | TomA | anyway thats what I use, it can use directshow so i've used it with divx files and had exelent results |
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| 04:34:14 | john_ | hey all |
| 04:34:20 | TomA | wuzup |
| 04:34:55 | TomA | can you authorize me, so I can post? |
| 04:35:07 | john_ | problems....i had a macpod and formated it with gparted fat32, now the rockbox utility say's no ipod found |
| 04:35:09 | Llorean | TomA: Is there a list of the licenses for the various codecs somewhere on the site? |
| 04:35:10 | john_ | any idea? |
| 04:35:24 | Llorean | john_: You should follow the manual conversion page, it's not as simple as *just* reformatting. |
| 04:35:32 | TomA | never looked don't know |
| 04:35:33 | john_ | i did do that |
| 04:35:56 | john_ | it doesn't say how to format it to fat32 under linux |
| 04:36:03 | Llorean | john_: Does it boot the Apple OS? |
| 04:36:17 | john_ | yes |
| 04:36:24 | Llorean | TomA: Well, it's rather important. We shouldn't put links to things with questionable license adherence on the wiki |
| 04:36:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: It seems that they are complying with the law - I managed to download it, and the installation program says that the included binaries (ffmpeg etc) are unmodified and released under the GPL. The ffmpeg devs seem to be happy with that. |
| 04:36:31 | Llorean | john_: Have you tried the manual installation instructions? |
| 04:36:40 | linuxstb | TomA: Is "A" your full surname? |
| 04:36:41 | john_ | yes, i put the partition table on |
| 04:37:02 | john_ | newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdiskNs2 |
| 04:37:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was more concerned about the inclusion of some of the DLLs. I'd read that they're taken from things like WMP. But I'm not really certain. |
| 04:37:16 | john_ | that command is not for linux so the only way i know how to format is through gparted |
| 04:37:32 | Llorean | john_: I didn't ask if you put the partition table on. I asked if you'd tried the manual rockbox install. |
| 04:37:35 | TomA | no, Arnold, I just put A for short, and check their webpage under company/legal notices |
| 04:37:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, I've no idea about that... |
| 04:37:45 | john_ | yes |
| 04:37:56 | Llorean | john_: So what does iPodPatcher say? |
| 04:38:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: *shrugs* Dunno. if it seems okay, I guess go with it. |
| 04:38:10 | john_ | llorean : whenever i run ./ipodpatcher is says cannot find ipod |
| 04:38:35 | Llorean | john_: Can you paste the partition table to a pastebin somewhere? |
| 04:39:32 | john_ | to a pastebin? |
| 04:39:50 | linuxstb | john_: Have you seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 04:40:09 | TomA | The source code hasn't been modified it says it is all legal under the GNU liscense for free software |
| 04:40:45 | linuxstb | TomA: I'm happy with that, but the rules for the wiki (on the registration page you just visited) say your wiki name MUST BE your full first name and surname. |
| 04:40:47 | john_ | no i have not tried that way yet... |
| 04:40:50 | john_ | let me give that a try thanks |
| 04:41:02 | TomA | My B how do I fix that |
| 04:41:15 | linuxstb | john_: Before you do that, does your ipod boot normally into the Apple firmware? |
| 04:41:49 | john_ | yes |
| 04:41:53 | john_ | it does |
| 04:43:04 | linuxstb | And you're running ipodpatcher as root? |
| 04:43:22 | john_ | yes |
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| 04:44:57 | linuxstb | OK, then follow Llorean's advice and show us what your partition table looks like... |
| 04:45:04 | TomA | GottoGo |
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| 04:45:33 | john_ | john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sdd3 |
| 04:45:33 | john_ | 1+0 records in |
| 04:45:33 | john_ | 1+0 records out |
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| 04:45:33 | john_ | 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 3.9757e-05 seconds, 12.9 MB/s |
| 04:45:44 | john_ | i just wrote the table to my ipod |
| 04:45:46 | linuxstb | That's your mistake - it should be /dev/sdd |
| 04:46:01 | john_ | john@john-desktop:~$ |
| 04:46:01 | linuxstb | Then unplug your ipod, and reattach it. |
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| 04:46:29 | john_ | but when i do >df it shows up as /dev/sdd3 |
| 04:46:38 | john_ | dev/sdd3 |
| 04:47:01 | john_ | got it sdd is the harddrive |
| 04:47:05 | john_ | sdd3 is the 3rd partition |
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| 04:47:16 | linuxstb | Indeed. |
| 04:48:33 | john_ | now i did this |
| 04:48:35 | john_ | john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ dd if=Firmware-10.3.1.1 of=/dev/sdd1 |
| 04:48:35 | john_ | maddler: writing to `/dev/sdd1': No space left on device |
| 04:48:35 | john_ | 63+0 records in |
| 04:48:35 | john_ | 62+0 records out |
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| 04:48:35 | john_ | 31744 bytes (32 kB) copied, 0.396261 seconds, 80.1 kB/s |
| 04:48:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 04:48:36 | john_ | john@john-desktop:~/Desktop$ |
| 04:49:00 | john_ | should there be 3 partitions on my ipod |
| 04:49:21 | linuxstb | Did you unplug and reattach your ipod? |
| 04:49:37 | john_ | i just did |
| 04:49:48 | linuxstb | Now you should see 2 partitions. |
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| 04:50:19 | john_ | alright |
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| 04:57:35 | john__ | ok |
| 04:57:44 | john__ | now that i have updated everything to i disconnect it |
| 04:57:45 | john__ | ? |
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| 04:59:08 | linuxstb | You've dd'ed the firmware and formatted the second partition as FAT32? |
| 04:59:35 | john__ | yes, |
| 04:59:52 | john__ | mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sde2 |
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| 05:00:10 | john__ | that is the command i did and it paused for a minute and then when to a prompt |
| 05:00:11 | linuxstb | Then yes, you can disconnect. Your ipod will then update it's firmware in flash, and you'll need to connect it to a charger whilst it does that. |
| 05:00:18 | john__ | ok |
| 05:00:25 | john__ | do i need to unmount the volume? |
| 05:00:44 | linuxstb | Yes, if it's mounted. |
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| 05:00:56 | john__ | it doesn't show up on my desktop |
| 05:01:31 | linuxstb | If you just type "mount" by itself at the command-line it will tell you if it's mounted. |
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| 05:02:31 | john__ | ok it flashed and now its at the menu |
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| 05:03:46 | john__ | that worked, rockbox is installing now |
| 05:03:50 | john__ | thank you very much! |
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| 06:32:20 | AegisDrgn | Is there anyway I can transfer the equalizer and gain settings, well basically, all the sound settings from my Sansa E280 running Rockbox to my computer? Music on the Rockbox sounds so much better than the same songs being piped out to the same headphones and equalizer settings that I tried to set as close to the ones in the Rockbox. |
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| 06:33:24 | cool_walking_ | Probably not what you're after, but you can actually use Rockbox on your computer. |
| 06:34:06 | cool_walking_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 06:35:13 | AegisDrgn | Hmmm, I did consider that, but haven't tried it yet because I would like to stick with my current music player on my computer (Winamp) |
| 06:35:55 | JdGordon | no, you can copy the equaliser settings fairly easily, but you cant somehow magically make your computer use the rockbox EQ in some other app |
| 06:37:14 | AegisDrgn | Do you have some tips on how I can copy those EQ settings? I know it shows up as numerical values in Rockbox, but Winamp and itunes just uses a bar =/ |
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| 06:45:04 | Llorean | AegisDrgn: Really, you should be asking Winamp people. Something like "I now the Q, gain, and frequency, but your equalizer doesn't allow me to set specific values. Help." |
| 06:45:39 | AegisDrgn | Ah, my bad. |
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| 06:46:59 | AegisDrgn | Alrighty, thanks for the help and keep up the good work! |
| 06:47:06 | AegisDrgn | Good luck the Google's Summer of Coding! |
| 06:47:10 | AegisDrgn | with* |
| 06:47:11 | AegisDrgn | lol |
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| 06:57:55 | JdGordon | ah, its the ram stuff |
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| 08:05:42 | Llorean | Only 49000 revisions to go. :-P |
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| 08:50:53 | JdGordon | hehe |
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| 08:51:19 | JdGordon | that bloody hell was to the error, not the letting me know :p |
| 08:52:18 | * | scorche looks up who committed the red to the tree |
| 08:52:22 | scorche | ...both times ;) |
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| 08:53:49 | JdGordon | both times? |
| 08:54:30 | scorche | both times. |
| 08:54:51 | JdGordon | the whole 2 times since r1? |
| 08:55:08 | scorche | as far as the tree shows |
| 08:55:14 | JdGordon | its a table |
| 08:55:58 | * | scorche moved this pointless jabbing to -community |
| 08:56:02 | scorche | moves.. |
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| 08:58:04 | JdGordon | [18:57:56] <scorche> and if so, populate the tree a bit more with red and yellow to make it more autumny |
| 08:58:13 | JdGordon | ok /me commits a known red compile :D |
| 08:58:22 | * | scorche sighs |
| 08:58:34 | * | JdGordon cackles hysterically |
| 08:59:22 | * | GodEater thinks JdGordon has been over doing it, and clearly needs a lie down. |
| 08:59:32 | GodEater | perhaps a cup of tea |
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| 09:15:16 | pondlife | GodEater: Good idea.... |
| 09:15:19 | * | pondlife sips tea |
| 09:15:32 | GodEater | stripwax is coming along tonight btw |
| 09:15:40 | GodEater | he replied to my facebook message |
| 09:15:49 | pondlife | Wow, might be 5 of us, right? |
| 09:15:56 | GodEater | that could be a record :D |
| 09:15:56 | scorche | face....book.... |
| 09:15:59 | pondlife | That's almost a quorum |
| 09:16:11 | pondlife | We can start to make dictatorial decisions. |
| 09:16:18 | GodEater | erm |
| 09:16:29 | GodEater | surely if there's a group of us, it's not dictatorial by definition ? |
| 09:16:41 | scorche | oligarch |
| 09:16:55 | pondlife | Sorry, you are correct. |
| 09:17:02 | scorche | seriously though...a couple more and it could be a true devcon |
| 09:17:12 | pondlife | More tea required... |
| 09:17:30 | * | GodEater has had a caffeine free week so far |
| 09:17:35 | pondlife | Ouch |
| 09:17:36 | GodEater | the first few days weren't pleasant |
| 09:17:42 | GodEater | I'm getting the hang of it now though |
| 09:17:49 | pondlife | unpleasant and OT... |
| 09:18:08 | GodEater | topic police |
| 09:18:47 | pondlife | Just be grateful I'm not a forum mod |
| 09:19:27 | petur | is anybody with an ipod nano interested in testing 8644 for me? |
| 09:19:32 | GodEater | you are... |
| 09:19:47 | pondlife | Shh, I don't use those powers |
| 09:19:56 | pondlife | Not enough hours in the day |
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| 09:39:32 | * | JdGordon definatly feels a pub devcon would be the best type there is |
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| 09:45:09 | skbohra | hi everyone |
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| 09:47:14 | pondlife | JdGordon: It is |
| 09:47:27 | pondlife | (Well, not that I've attended a non-pub one.) |
| 09:48:01 | SMB-Chmmr | hi all |
| 09:49:54 | SMB-Chmmr | just got a quick quesiton, when you open a playlist you've made (in rockbox) in notepad, it has a character that comes up as a box at the end of each file location, can anyone tell me what that character is? |
| 09:50:59 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: which program are you opening it with? |
| 09:51:05 | SMB-Chmmr | notepad |
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| 09:52:35 | scorche | windows uses a different new line control characters than rockbox (and*nix) does |
| 09:54:14 | SMB-Chmmr | ok, thanks |
| 09:54:15 | scorche | notepad inst too smart in this regard |
| 09:54:17 | * | petur thinks we should be compatible |
| 09:54:24 | GodEater | with what ? |
| 09:54:33 | petur | nevermind me |
| 09:54:39 | pondlife | SMB-Chmmr: Wordpad might work, or even better get Notepad++ |
| 09:54:49 | SMB-Chmmr | will have a look, thanks |
| 09:54:58 | GodEater | Wordpad does work |
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| 09:55:35 | * | pondlife discovers that Windows XP has finally dropped edlin |
| 09:55:57 | pixelma | hmm.. I'm not sure it is only line-endings. If I remember correctly notepad just ignores lf and would write everything on one "line" |
| 09:55:57 | SMB-Chmmr | is there any playlist creators? |
| 09:56:16 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: there are *tons* of m3u creating programs out there |
| 09:56:39 | SMB-Chmmr | oh so if i created them in winamp they would work in rockbox with a little editing? |
| 09:56:48 | pixelma | but I don't have a better idea currently |
| 09:56:53 | GodEater | they shouldn't need editing at all |
| 09:57:02 | scorche | pixelma: well, there is a way to test.. |
| 09:57:16 | * | pixelma goes testing |
| 09:57:19 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: assuming you save it as m3u and not pls |
| 09:57:38 | SMB-Chmmr | GodEater: winamp will have it having a drive letter "C:/My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3", i wouldn't have to take the C: out? |
| 09:58:21 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: rockbox will strip the drive letter anyway...so assuming you stil have /My Music/Rock/Blah.mp3 , it will work fine |
| 09:58:35 | SMB-Chmmr | oh beautiful, that frees up what i had planned for tomorrow :) |
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| 10:01:54 | pixelma | result: line-endings are lf (as notepad++ tells me) and plain notepad writes everything on one line for me... |
| 10:02:56 | SMB-Chmmr | i'm going to try a winamp playlist, and see how it goes :) |
| 10:03:05 | petur | pondlife: edlin was already gone in w2k... |
| 10:03:17 | * | petur thinks |
| 10:03:27 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: happen to see what number that char is? |
| 10:03:27 | pondlife | Hmm, I thought I had it until recently |
| 10:03:44 | * | petur should check before stating :/ |
| 10:03:48 | pondlife | We still have debug though, the ultimate editor (for small files) |
| 10:04:02 | SMB-Chmmr | scorche: what do u mean sorry? |
| 10:04:45 | SMB-Chmmr | well the winamp playlist worked beautifully thanks heaps guys :) |
| 10:05:31 | scorche | hrm...i just made a playlist in rockbox and it is all on one line as it should be, i suppose |
| 10:05:37 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: what operating system? |
| 10:06:16 | pixelma | scorche: I already said that ;) |
| 10:06:17 | SMB-Chmmr | XP |
| 10:07:11 | scorche | pixelma: ah...by your words, i assumed you meant that you created a file with just LF in notepad++ and then opened it in notepad |
| 10:07:31 | scorche | sorry |
| 10:07:57 | pixelma | I meant a Rockbox created playlist, sorry I didn't mention it |
| 10:09:25 | scorche | well, it is bedtime for me a couple of hours ago, so... |
| 10:09:32 | SMB-Chmmr | night scorche |
| 10:10:06 | scorche | SMB-Chmmr: i dont respond to CTCPs ;) |
| 10:10:13 | SMB-Chmmr | ahh :P |
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| 10:25:51 | pixelma | gevaerts: is the screendump feature in Rockbox safe to use on a c200 safe to use now (build is not USB enabled)? |
| 10:26:49 | pixelma | without the second "safe to use"... |
| 10:26:55 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes. It's safe with or without USB build |
| 10:27:28 | pixelma | nice, thanks. |
| 10:29:22 | amiconn | Rockbox should probably create .m3u files with crlf. It does support both line ending formats for reading, |
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| 10:45:03 | petur | amiconn: do you have an ipod nano? I'm doing battery bencmarks on H10 and if those turn out ok and ipod nano works ok the CF mode patch could be committed |
| 10:45:10 | petur | +h |
| 10:46:32 | pixelma | I only know of preglow, and some of the Americans having a Nano |
| 10:47:19 | pixelma | (didn't want to ping everyone...) |
| 10:47:24 | petur | ah ok |
| 10:48:26 | CaptainSquid | what is cf mode? |
| 10:48:44 | petur | did H10 battery performance get better lately or did the guy who posted his benchmark have a bad battery. I got a little over 7 hours... |
| 10:48:58 | gevaerts | How uptodate is the RockboxTesting usually ? |
| 10:49:12 | * | gevaerts inserts a "page" there |
| 10:49:24 | petur | CaptainSquid: make Rockbox love CF cards (used when replacing hdd's wih them) |
| 10:51:21 | SMB-Chmmr | bye all, thanks for your help |
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| 10:52:05 | CaptainSquid | and why is an nano affected then? i mean, how (and why) would you replace nanos flash with a cf card? |
| 10:53:31 | petur | for the nano, the ata_soft_reset() was removed because it didn't work, and when testing CF's I saw the same. Now it is fixed, it must be tested on the nano to see if it works there too |
| 10:53:58 | petur | seems the nano flash behaves like a CF card |
| 10:54:07 | CaptainSquid | ah, ok |
| 10:54:22 | petur | they probably just merged the internals of a CF card on the pcb |
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| 10:57:07 | gevaerts | That was probably the easiest way to get ata everywhere |
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| 11:08:12 | amiconn | petur: I'd like to see the power management problem solved without hackish cf detection |
| 11:08:58 | petur | amiconn: me too, but so far I haven't found anything... got any idea's left? |
| 11:10:16 | amiconn | What's the problem with setting that feature, even if it returns an error? |
| 11:11:02 | petur | so you consider ignoring the error better than not setting it? |
| 11:11:33 | petur | the error when setting it is all theat goes wrong |
| 11:11:47 | petur | the card gives an immediate ABRT |
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| 11:12:37 | amiconn | I think it could work that we try setting the feature, and if the device returns an error, modify identify_info so that we don't try again |
| 11:13:24 | petur | hmmm and that is less hackish? :p |
| 11:13:41 | amiconn | Well, it doesn't rely on unrelated information |
| 11:14:22 | amiconn | But I'm still not convinced that we're doing everything correct. If the card states that it supports advanced power management yet it errors when we try to enable it, there must be something we've overlooked.... |
| 11:17:49 | petur | I already spent more hours than I wanted looking at it :/ |
| 11:18:16 | gevaerts | petur: want to try usb ;) ? |
| 11:18:53 | * | petur wasted enough time on that too |
| 11:21:02 | gevaerts | There's still plenty of time wasting to share |
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| 11:38:36 | markun | a friend just tells me there is a 3 page article in linux journal about rockbox on the ipod |
| 11:38:56 | mrkiko | How much victim had rockbox? How much player have you broken while develping playing with dangerous things such as usb & power management^ |
| 11:39:01 | mrkiko | * ?? ** |
| 11:40:05 | gevaerts | USB isn't dangerous. |
| 11:40:50 | markun | slasheri bricked his player while trying to flash his firmware, but linusn later fixed it for him |
| 11:42:01 | mrkiko | hufff.. iRivers are bad from this point of view, I know... |
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| 11:44:30 | markun | according to the article we claim that the ipod's music quality is better with rockbox compared to apple's OS... |
| 11:44:58 | skbohra | hi everyone |
| 11:45:15 | markun | hi skbohra |
| 11:45:54 | skbohra | i m new to rockbox |
| 11:46:08 | markun | from the article: "What's cooler than a box of rocks? Well, a lot, but not much is cooler than Rockbox on your iPod!" :) |
| 11:46:44 | markun | skbohra: well, welcome |
| 11:46:53 | markun | do you like it so far? |
| 11:47:19 | skbohra | i will apply for rockbox in gsoc |
| 11:47:52 | markun | do you know which area of rockbox you would like to work on? |
| 11:48:17 | skbohra | may be its user interface, but not sure |
| 11:48:56 | markun | do you have a rockbox capable player? |
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| 11:50:16 | skbohra | no but some one suggested me gigabit f40 yesterday |
| 11:50:52 | markun | it's a pretty good player for it's price |
| 11:51:08 | markun | mostly 2nd hand players on ebay |
| 11:51:19 | skbohra | but its difficult to get one here in india |
| 11:51:47 | markun | skbohra: will this help? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 11:52:22 | markun | of course you can go for the ultimate GSoC project and start porting rockbox to a new player ;) |
| 11:53:12 | skbohra | its really a challenging task for an individual |
| 11:54:46 | skbohra | but my ultimate goal will be this! |
| 11:55:31 | markun | there are so many unpredictable factors in doing a new port that I really don't know if it's something to do over the summer. |
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| 11:55:47 | markun | but maybe if you have the right skills and a lot of time to work on it.. |
| 11:56:43 | skbohra | ya looked at its wiki |
| 11:58:51 | skbohra | my passion is growing towards it |
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| 11:59:30 | skbohra | is there any indian rockbox contributor i can get help from |
| 11:59:54 | skbohra | if any body can tell me |
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| 12:02:08 | markun | non of the most active members is from india |
| 12:02:23 | skbohra | :( |
| 12:02:46 | markun | maybe you can find someone here: rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/people/gmap.php |
| 12:04:26 | petur | wow... mceulenaere is from Belgium? |
| 12:05:19 | petur | not very far from my home to be exact |
| 12:05:47 | markun | petur: you couldn't guess from the name? |
| 12:06:49 | petur | :) but lots of people with dutch sounding names actually live in the US |
| 12:07:20 | markun | skbohra: there is a committer called "Hardeep Sidhu", I guess it's an indian name, right? |
| 12:07:31 | gevaerts | petur: time to move the rockbox center of gravity from Sweden to Belgium ? |
| 12:07:36 | skbohra | ya its indian name |
| 12:07:42 | pixelma | markun: I believe he is from the US though |
| 12:09:09 | linuxstb | And I can't remember the last time he was around... |
| 12:09:43 | markun | skbohra: rockbox development is in english anyway, so maybe a good opportunity to practice :) |
| 12:10:33 | markun | linuxstb: probably years ago |
| 12:10:34 | skbohra | i have problem with english, i believe |
| 12:11:01 | linuxstb | So do lots of native English speakers |
| 12:11:27 | markun | skbohra: many of us don't speak perfect english (like me for example) |
| 12:11:46 | skbohra | i forgot to put a "no" near problem |
| 12:11:52 | markun | but I couldn't convince the rest to use esperanto... |
| 12:11:53 | pixelma | I think "crzyboyster" in the forums is from India but he only contributed some "ports" of the cabbiev2 theme so far. His real name is Apoorva Mahajan IIRC |
| 12:12:11 | markun | skbohra: ah ;) |
| 12:12:35 | markun | skbohra: were you going to ask him for help buying a player? |
| 12:12:58 | skbohra | :) |
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| 12:16:12 | skbohra | i m getting good help here as well |
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| 12:25:51 | skbohra | there is no player which is in production supports rockbox! |
| 12:27:18 | petur | product lifetime of mp3 players seems to be around 1 year... |
| 12:27:36 | mrkiko | peter: wow... I'm very very far ... |
| 12:29:27 | skbohra | so i think more developers are needed to make things happen quickly |
| 12:30:07 | markun | aren't the sansa's in production? |
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| 12:30:26 | petur | v2 now I suppose |
| 12:30:35 | markun | skbohra: do you know a player that is in production (besides ipods) rockbox could be ported to? |
| 12:31:52 | skbohra | "creative" zen |
| 12:32:42 | markun | there's http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreativeZVMPort |
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| 12:32:51 | linuxstb | The Cowon D2 seems a promising new port - and still available... |
| 12:32:59 | markun | true |
| 12:33:09 | linuxstb | But quite expensive... |
| 12:33:36 | markun | is the m:robe 500 out of production? |
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| 12:36:43 | markun | linuxstb: what do you think about a realaudio gsoc proposal? |
| 12:38:11 | markun | the first stage would be to add support for the container and make it play ac3 based realaudio files, then try to port the cook codec. |
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| 12:40:22 | linuxstb | Yes, seems a feasible project. There's also an ATRAC decoder in ffmpeg, and that's used in high bitrate RA files. |
| 12:41:07 | markun | can you think of other codecs we would like to have? |
| 12:42:38 | gevaerts | Do we have .au ? |
| 12:42:47 | markun | :) |
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| 12:45:27 | * | gevaerts was at least quarter-serious |
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| 12:50:05 | gevaerts | A bit more seriously, gsm doesn't seem to be supported, but I don't think many people are complaining about that |
| 12:52:50 | linuxstb | markun: For me, realaudio (cook) is the only one I would use if it exists. I guess there are lots of game/tracker/etc formats we don't support, but I know nothing about those. |
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| 13:14:05 | pondlife | DOH! I just had normal playback repeat a track on rebuffering. |
| 13:14:26 | pondlife | i.e. it played track 7 again, claiming it was track 8. |
| 13:14:49 | pondlife | Seems that silly race condition remains on the device, but not seen on the sim. |
| 13:14:49 | pixelma | and the next track (that was supposed to play) was skipped? |
| 13:14:55 | pondlife | No |
| 13:15:17 | pondlife | But it claimed to be at 8 of 9 in the playlist, so probably won't play the last track |
| 13:15:23 | pondlife | We'll see... |
| 13:16:16 | pondlife | Looks like the fix I did in r16459 was just making a bad condition much less likely, but not fixing the underlying problem. |
| 13:16:29 | pondlife | Maybe I'll revert it locally and poke further. |
| 13:16:34 | pondlife | Not today though |
| 13:16:52 | pixelma | just asked because I experienced this somewhen in January twice but couldn't find a way to reproduce though |
| 13:17:14 | pondlife | The same symptoms as I was getting on sim before (reproducibly) |
| 13:17:37 | pondlife | Yes. It was one out and stopped playback |
| 13:18:09 | pondlife | i.e. playing (and displaying ID3 for) track 7, claiming it as 8 of 9, then playing 8 as 9 of 9, then stopping |
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| 14:17:59 | niskel | I let my iPod run completely out of batteries by accident using Rockbox. Now when I plug the iPod into the computer, it does nothing. I can't seem to get it to charge. |
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| 14:21:11 | gevaerts | niskel: I believe you have to do some kind of hard reset, but as I don't have an ipod myself, I can't give you more details |
| 14:21:52 | skbohra | why don't you just charge it without pc i m sure it will work |
| 14:22:10 | niskel | skbohra: I have nothing to charge it with other than the USB cable |
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| 14:23:27 | preglow | niskel: just keep it inserted |
| 14:23:36 | preglow | it does charge |
| 14:23:53 | skbohra | i'm afraid u need one as you have ran out of power completely so now the pc may not detect it |
| 14:24:14 | preglow | from time to time you can try to hard reset by pressing "select" and "menu" and keeping them pressed for five secs |
| 14:24:20 | preglow | eventually it will start again, but might take some time |
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| 14:24:52 | niskel | skbohra, preglow, gevaerts: doing a hard reset with select and menu got it back up. Thanks! |
| 14:25:03 | preglow | well, then there are no worries anyway :) |
| 14:25:17 | preglow | but you should avoid charging it all the way out |
| 14:25:23 | skbohra | :) |
| 14:25:51 | niskel | preglow: I /thought/ I turned it off... until I tried to have some tunes for the walk home from work yesterday :/ |
| 14:25:52 | niskel | lol |
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| 14:35:18 | * | Nico_P is almost ready to commit the improved cabbie v2 for the gigabeat |
| 14:35:34 | Nico_P | after finally getting photoshop to work with wine |
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| 14:39:36 | fcnguy | what to do when people get jealous of you when you try to exercise and try to stop you in step of the way( bully you)? they basically want me to have a painful heart attack and die. i already have high cholesterol at age 21 and probably had since 18 or 19...? what to do? |
| 14:41:27 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Can you correct the "kB/s" in the bitrate display in the gigabeat version of cabbiev2? Maybe kbit/s ? |
| 14:41:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: sure |
| 14:42:12 | linuxstb | And reduce the size of those silly icons down the bottom... ;) |
| 14:42:49 | Nico_P | that I can't do :) |
| 14:42:54 | linuxstb | Ah, go on... |
| 14:49:35 | Nico_P | hmm the SVN version has a mix of CR/LF and LF line terminators... nice :/ |
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| 14:55:56 | Nico_P | done ! :) |
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| 14:58:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Morning, everyone! |
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| 15:52:47 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Re: your last commit, why reduce the size of the font even more? |
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| 15:58:18 | gevaerts | It seems that several plugins use some kind of malloc(), and they all have their own implementation. Would it be useful to unify those, or a "general" malloc implementation encourage its use too much ? |
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| 16:07:05 | linuxstb | My feeling is that latter, but others have expressed a desire for some kind of malloc implementation in the plugin library. |
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| 16:14:33 | gevaerts | Currently there seem to be 8 of them (chessbox, dict, midi, mpegplayer, rockboy, searchengine and zxbox). I guess most of those really need it. The problem as I see it with every plugin having its own malloc is that it probably increases the risk of bugs. |
| 16:15:54 | pondlife | Nico_P: I also would "vote" for a larger font... |
| 16:16:29 | pondlife | I use Nimbus-14 with Cabbiev2. |
| 16:17:29 | saratoga | Nico_P: mind if I add your changes to settings_list.c ? |
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| 16:20:48 | pondlife | Wow, Nimbus-14 is actually smaller than helvR12 |
| 16:20:59 | pondlife | Vertically at least |
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| 16:22:38 | pixelma | the helvR fonts are misnamed (in Rockbox terms), helvR12 is 14 pixels tall, nimbus-14 btw. is only nimbus-12 with 2 lines more spacing |
| 16:22:54 | pixelma | (so 14 pixels tall at least) |
| 16:23:22 | pondlife | Maybe we should rename them? |
| 16:23:34 | linuxstb | pondlife: Just to break all the themes? ;) |
| 16:23:40 | pondlife | Absolutely :) |
| 16:23:43 | linuxstb | But yes, why not ;) |
| 16:24:12 | pixelma | there's also helvR10 which should then be helvR12 then ;) |
| 16:24:18 | pondlife | Affected included themes would, of course, be updated. |
| 16:24:24 | pixelma | s/then// |
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| 16:25:18 | pondlife | Alternatively, perhaps we could have a better font browser, allowing selection of a font family, then the sizes within. Somehow, without relying on filenames. |
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| 16:26:01 | linuxstb | Fixing the filenames would seem easier... |
| 16:26:30 | pixelma | pondlife: I couldn't even imagine how that would work from your description |
| 16:26:35 | pondlife | Me neiither! |
| 16:26:49 | pondlife | It was just a (bad) idea |
| 16:27:11 | linuxstb | pondlife: More importantly, what time do you think you'll arrive tonight? |
| 16:27:42 | pondlife | Aiming for 7pm |
| 16:27:46 | pondlife | But probably 7:30 |
| 16:28:00 | pondlife | Depends on the train to Paddington mainly |
| 16:28:20 | pondlife | Last time I missed bus, then train. And tube was uber-sloe. |
| 16:28:23 | pondlife | slow, even |
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| 16:30:37 | pondlife | hehe: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15345;sa=showPosts |
| 16:31:02 | pixelma | Zagor: I figured out that I was looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main (without the trailing slash) and not http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome to see the old menu (and the old recent activity dates)... |
| 16:31:54 | Zagor | aha |
| 16:32:14 | pixelma | probably opened from an old bookmark or so. But I wonder why the other exists |
| 16:32:15 | Zagor | wow, that is old... |
| 16:32:22 | pondlife | Pre-upgrade? |
| 16:32:23 | roolku | pixelma: do you think crzyboyster's mrobe 100 version of cabbie is good enough and if you think it is okay would you mind committing it (even as a starting point) - I am not sure how the build system works these days |
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| 16:34:18 | pixelma | roolku: I'll have a look and could commit (and maybe even tweak the graphics a bit before) |
| 16:34:26 | Zagor | pixelma: because the twiki cache creates it when you access it, but the "refresh cache" link refreshes the WebHome cache |
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| 16:35:04 | Zagor | the twiki cache is far from perfect |
| 16:35:05 | roolku | pixelma: that would be great. :) Thanks |
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| 16:35:53 | roolku | pixelma: I am working slowly through the manual - pretty tedious. Makes me appreciate all the work that has gone into it. |
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| 16:41:04 | pixelma | roolku: it often looks like a simple change, then you find out that if you edit a thing in one place it needs editing in another place and see a few errors on the way, etc... :) |
| 16:42:23 | Horscht | people should be prohibited to make mistakes! |
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| 16:47:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: That's human nature, though. You learn from your mistakes as well. |
| 16:48:18 | Horscht | punny little humans |
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| 16:48:33 | Horscht | ;) |
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| 16:49:58 | pixelma | petur: the last person logged in might not be far from you too ;) |
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| 16:51:34 | petur | pixelma: indeed, ugent is about 5 kilometers from here, but it looks like vpn is used... |
| 16:51:49 | petur | (ugent = university of gent) |
| 16:52:24 | pixelma | yes, found it which is why I "asked" |
| 16:52:46 | * | petur has serious doubts about the real name entered by Mathiasdm - it's a brand of cookies :) |
| 16:53:04 | Mathiasdm | yes, and really good ones :D |
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| 16:53:09 | petur | indeed |
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| 16:54:57 | Mathiasdm | hmm |
| 16:55:03 | Mathiasdm | would it be cannibalism if I ate cookies? |
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| 16:56:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mathiasdm: That's like eating your kitten. |
| 16:57:08 | Mathiasdm | oh my :o |
| 16:57:12 | * | Mathiasdm faces a dilemma |
| 16:58:34 | pondlife | Nico_P: Any hard drive yet? |
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| 17:00:57 | * | Mathiasdm looks at attractive cookie |
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| 17:01:24 | scorche|sh | Zagor was wise to leave before it got ugly... |
| 17:04:22 | * | Mathiasdm **CENSURED** |
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| 17:05:09 | Mathiasdm | and now: back to work :-) |
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| 17:13:22 | roolku | bagder: looks like the download mirrors don't pick up the new m:robe 100 bootloader - maybe a permission problem on http://haxx.rockbox.org/bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/pp5020.mi4 ? |
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| 17:22:56 | john_ | hey all |
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| 17:23:40 | john_ | anyone around? |
| 17:24:37 | advcomp2019 | john_, yea but you can say your issue |
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| 17:31:23 | john_ | sorry.....i loaded a bunch of music onto my ipod and now it's not reading it in the database |
| 17:31:41 | john_ | it says building database.....0 found |
| 17:31:56 | john_ | but whenever i load it up in banshee it says i have 1300+ songs there |
| 17:32:42 | Nico_P | pondlife: going to the post office now |
| 17:34:30 | john_ | any idea why it is doing this? |
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| 17:36:07 | john_ | is anyone even around? |
| 17:36:28 | krazykit | please have patience; IRC doesn't stand for instant reply chat |
| 17:37:20 | krazykit | john_, have you tried deleting the database files (*.tcd in your .rockbox directory) and manually initializing the database? are you using the latest build? |
| 17:37:54 | john_ | how do you manually initialize the database and yes I am using the curent build |
| 17:38:24 | john_ | thanks for your reply |
| 17:38:37 | krazykit | you hold select on the database and choose Initialize Now |
| 17:39:39 | john_ | alright i just deleted the tcd file |
| 17:40:02 | john_ | now i will try the initialize now |
| 17:40:41 | john_ | alrigth it is building the database but it did do this before |
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| 17:42:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | john_: We're rebuilding your database. |
| 17:42:47 | john_ | now whenever i click on database it says ... database not ready initiaze now |
| 17:42:59 | john_ | i hit select and it says building database...0 found |
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| 17:43:59 | john_ | so now there is nothing on there |
| 17:44:03 | john_ | any idea what is going on? |
| 17:45:42 | krazykit | i'm not really familiar with the database, as i've never used it ;) |
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| 17:47:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | john_: Are all of your tracks properly tagged? |
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| 17:48:13 | Crash91 | How do i assist someone who has asked a question on the mailing list? |
| 17:48:34 | Crash91 | as in: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2008-03/0046.shtml |
| 17:49:01 | Crash91 | this problem happened to me and i think i may know the solution |
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| 17:49:56 | john_ | Lamb : all my tracks show up on the apple firmware but once i replaced it with rockbox, nothing shows up |
| 17:50:24 | john_ | any idea? |
| 17:50:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | What codec? MP3? Vorbis? AAC? |
| 17:51:02 | john_ | mp3 |
| 17:51:27 | john_ | all my stuff is mp3 |
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| 17:52:41 | Crash91 | john_: do not show up as in file view? have you tried initializing the database |
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| 17:53:20 | john_ | Crash91 : i click onthe database and it says 0 found....i deleted the tcd file and reinitialized it but still nothing |
| 17:53:27 | krazykit | Crash91, you email the list replying to that header. not sure how you do it if you're not subscribed to the list. |
| 17:54:34 | Crash91 | krazykit: erm, well it would probably be eaiser for someone who can reply to reply for me? |
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| 17:58:08 | Crash91 | can anyone reply for me please? |
| 17:59:40 | petur | you cannot mail on the list unless you're subscribed |
| 17:59:46 | petur | it will just bounce |
| 17:59:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Crash91: Better go subscribe to the list. |
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| 18:00:08 | Crash91 | -.- no time! |
| 18:00:43 | krazykit | in the time you last asked and waited til saying that, you could've subscribed. |
| 18:01:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's 5 minutes to go sign up on the list? A blip on the time stream, that is! |
| 18:01:05 | Crash91 | the problem is most probably because the user recently copied a large file (usuallly one file, +500MB), if you delete it, you should be able to use the OF |
| 18:01:27 | Crash91 | LambdaCalculus37: but i must go NOW! :) |
| 18:01:37 | Crash91 | bye bye! |
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| 18:01:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | .... |
| 18:02:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | He could subscribe when he has free time, or doesn't he know that? |
| 18:04:28 | john_ | lamb : any idea what the hell is going on? |
| 18:04:40 | john_ | it reads my database and then i reboot and it says 0? |
| 18:05:25 | linuxstb | How are you rebooting? |
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| 18:07:46 | john_ | holding in the play button and it says shutting down |
| 18:08:17 | linuxstb | OK. I was just checking you weren't resetting (holding MENU+SELECT together) |
| 18:08:25 | john_ | nope, |
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| 18:09:30 | * | linuxstb doesn't use the database and has no idea how to debug problems... |
| 18:09:42 | john_ | alright thanks |
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| 18:10:03 | * | gevaerts now has rockbox on his gigabeat F |
| 18:10:57 | toffe82 | gevaerts: are you going to work on the usb ont he F |
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| 18:11:04 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Welcome to the 300MHz club ;) |
| 18:11:48 | gevaerts | It's slightly bigger than my c250 |
| 18:12:13 | gevaerts | toffe82: probably, but not immediately. The PP usb support comes first |
| 18:12:26 | linuxstb | Am I right in thinking that usb host requires the cradle? |
| 18:13:00 | gevaerts | No idea. Some of the information I saw seems to suggest that, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:13:54 | toffe82 | the big usb connector on the cradle is direct to the cpu, the small one go through a hub |
| 18:14:38 | gevaerts | It came with some music still on it. I got rid of that, but the OF database is still there. Can I safely remove those files as well ? (assuming I don't touch fwimg) |
| 18:15:17 | linuxstb | There's a minimal gbsystem directory on the wiki somewhere, which removes all traces of the original firmware. |
| 18:15:30 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't dual-boot on the gigabeat anyway... |
| 18:15:53 | toffe82 | not the cpuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins#Dock_connector |
| 18:16:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Here's what linuxstb was talking about: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip |
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| 18:16:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Those are dummy files which remove all traces of the OF. |
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| 18:18:16 | scorche|sh | ugh..."Because of this limitation I began researching what it would take to modify or enhance the Linux environment on the Gigabeat. This research led me to Rockbox. Rockbox is a Linux based firmware for various MP3 players." |
| 18:19:02 | linuxstb | Obviously a great researcher... |
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| 18:20:50 | scorche|sh | apparently that person writes for Tux magazine (it was from his blog) |
| 18:20:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, so great that a comatose sea slug has more sense than he does. |
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| 18:21:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: Link? |
| 18:21:13 | linuxstb | http://www.linuxphile.org/node/43 |
| 18:21:14 | scorche|sh | linuxphile.org |
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| 18:21:33 | Horscht | some people always assume opensource == linux based |
| 18:22:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | This guy is rife with Golden Quotes. |
| 18:22:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Like this one: Browsing the Rockbox site, I discovered Rockbox was available for every generation of the Ipod. |
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| 18:22:53 | scorche|sh | well, at the time it was written, it could have been |
| 18:23:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | *ahem* Except that there's no version for the nano 2G or 3G, or Classic, or Touch, OR Shuffle. |
| 18:23:07 | linuxstb | Excluding shuffles... |
| 18:23:07 | * | scorche|sh sees no dates |
| 18:23:15 | gevaerts | Well, Both linux and rockbox are GPLv2 strict, so they must be the same |
| 18:23:18 | scorche|sh | ah...those itty bitty ones :) |
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| 18:24:29 | Horscht | plus, both end in x, gevaerts |
| 18:24:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees a 2005 copyright date on the bottom, but that can't be it |
| 18:24:39 | linuxstb | But didn't the 1st/2nd gen support come after the 2nd Gen Nano was released? |
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| 18:24:59 | Horscht | yeah, 1st 2nd gen was septemeber 2007 iirc |
| 18:25:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: No, back in July 2007. |
| 18:25:20 | Horscht | "2007-09-191st and 2nd gen iPods are supported" |
| 18:25:34 | linuxstb | And the second gen Nano was September 2006 IIRC |
| 18:25:50 | scorche|sh | so either way, he is wrong... |
| 18:25:51 | Horscht | yeah, escond gen nano is way older than july or september |
| 18:26:01 | linuxstb | So no, even ignoring the shuffles we've never supported all ipod generations |
| 18:26:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: Major Changes states "2007-07-27: Sound on iPod 2nd Gen! (That's classic iPod, not nano!)" |
| 18:26:41 | scorche|sh | eek...we might want to change that now with the "classic" |
| 18:26:48 | Horscht | LambdaCalculus37, rockbox.org states the above :p |
| 18:27:15 | linuxstb | Apple stole the idea from us! |
| 18:27:16 | Horscht | "old bulky one" instead of classic? |
| 18:27:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: I'm on it. |
| 18:28:15 | * | gevaerts wants an iPhone shuffle |
| 18:28:22 | * | scorche|sh considers sending this giuy an email to correct him.. |
| 18:28:38 | * | LambdaCalculus37 changed "classic" to "FireWire" |
| 18:28:41 | gevaerts | Also ask him where he found that info |
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| 18:29:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Maybe from his bum! :) |
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| 18:31:34 | gevaerts | Is the battery charge info on gigabeat reliable ? |
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| 19:02:19 | * | Nico_P 's F40 is alive again thanks to pondlife! :D |
| 19:03:15 | saratoga | Nico_P: your change to cabbie didn't change the default font |
| 19:03:22 | saratoga | do you want me to change that to R12 as well? |
| 19:03:32 | Nico_P | saratoga: you need to reload the theme |
| 19:03:51 | Nico_P | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/wps/WPSLIST?r1=16536;r2=16537 |
| 19:04:03 | * | gevaerts now has to agree that cabbiev2 looks bad on sansa c200 compared to other players |
| 19:04:06 | pixelma | the default... |
| 19:04:11 | Nico_P | ah crap |
| 19:04:13 | saratoga | Nico_P: that only applies to someone loading cabbie |
| 19:04:29 | Nico_P | saratoga: I wouldn't mind you correcting it for me then |
| 19:04:34 | saratoga | sure |
| 19:04:39 | Nico_P | I'm not sure what needs doing |
| 19:05:38 | saratoga | i have the patch ready, just going to compile it first |
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| 19:07:55 | saratoga | ok commited |
| 19:08:26 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 19:11:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why do we suddenly have multiple wiki pages just to show high-res scans of a TrekStor Beat? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TrekStorIBeatOrganixFMimg002HR |
| 19:12:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:13:01 | * | scorche|sh cringes at the page name |
| 19:13:10 | scorche|sh | have to get a swede to delete... |
| 19:14:02 | * | amiconn wonders why the TrashWeb doesn't work anymoe |
| 19:14:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | And move the scans to the main page of the DAP. |
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| 19:15:16 | amiconn | Some Twiki update broke quite a number of useful functions (which weren't dangerous afaiu) |
| 19:15:24 | gevaerts | Did anyone already have a look at my usb cleanup patch in FS #8562 ? |
| 19:15:50 | Horscht | which of the rockboxable devices are HD based, and offer devices with sizes 60GB and up? |
| 19:16:11 | Horscht | appart from the ipod video |
| 19:16:27 | amiconn | Out of the box, or including upgradeable devices? |
| 19:16:29 | scorche|sh | Horscht: stock as in without a larger replacement hard drive? |
| 19:16:34 | scorche|sh | bah |
| 19:16:35 | Horscht | yes |
| 19:16:35 | pixelma | some IaudioX5s and Gigabeats, I believe |
| 19:17:02 | pixelma | which have 60GB models available |
| 19:17:09 | scorche|sh | what she said then |
| 19:17:31 | amiconn | Yes, iAudio X5 60GB, Gigabeat F60 and X60 |
| 19:17:39 | Horscht | ah, thank you. |
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| 19:18:12 | amiconn | The Gigabeat S also has a 60GB model, but support is still in the works |
| 19:19:23 | Horscht | so... I am checking amazon for gigabeat, and they show me a sansa |
| 19:19:56 | Horscht | looks like the gigabeat never was available here in germany :D |
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| 19:20:48 | d3m0n | does anyone know if its possible to change themes in the 5.5g ipod classic? |
| 19:21:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | d3m0n: Yes. |
| 19:21:08 | scorche|sh | rockbox doesnt support the classic...and the classic is the 6th gen..not 5.5 |
| 19:21:11 | BigBambi | d3m0n: Clasic is 6th gen, and doesnt run Rockbox |
| 19:21:20 | BigBambi | I always lose :( |
| 19:21:21 | d3m0n | oh what a bummer |
| 19:21:50 | d3m0n | cant do nothin with it? |
| 19:21:55 | scorche|sh | nope |
| 19:22:06 | d3m0n | no good well thank you much :) |
| 19:22:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hates it when people confuse the iPod video with the iPod Classic |
| 19:22:58 | d3m0n | is there a way to tell between the 2? |
| 19:23:02 | amiconn | Well, the classic plays video, so it must be an ipod video, right? ;) |
| 19:23:02 | * | n1s loves the "nano video" model :D |
| 19:23:02 | Horscht | yes |
| 19:23:10 | Horscht | classic has metal casing |
| 19:23:17 | Horscht | i.e. brushed metal |
| 19:23:21 | amiconn | Same logic as why some people call the 3rd gen nano a "nano video" |
| 19:23:34 | * | gevaerts likes his sansa c200 video |
| 19:23:38 | d3m0n | mines metal in back and black in front |
| 19:23:48 | scorche|sh | oh...then it isnt a classic |
| 19:23:48 | d3m0n | shiney chrome |
| 19:24:02 | scorche|sh | what size? |
| 19:24:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | d3m0n: Plastic black or aluminum black? |
| 19:24:06 | d3m0n | 80 gb |
| 19:24:14 | scorche|sh | then you do have a 5.5 gen :) |
| 19:24:17 | d3m0n | feels like plastic |
| 19:24:20 | Horscht | shiny black, or brushed metal? |
| 19:24:31 | d3m0n | no its a dull black |
| 19:24:33 | scorche|sh | well, if it is 2 different colors, then it is a video |
| 19:24:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Dull black is a Classic. |
| 19:24:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | You're out of luck. |
| 19:24:49 | Horscht | yeah, scorche|sh |
| 19:24:56 | Horscht | classics are also chrome on the back |
| 19:25:05 | scorche|sh | eh?....since when? |
| 19:25:09 | * | scorche|sh googles |
| 19:25:10 | Horscht | since... always |
| 19:25:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: My brother and sister each have Classics. |
| 19:25:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | They're chrome on the back. |
| 19:25:31 | * | scorche|sh walks away in shame |
| 19:25:37 | Horscht | nah, it's okay |
| 19:25:53 | d3m0n | so i have the evil classic huh |
| 19:26:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | And that means no Rockbox for you. Sorry. |
| 19:26:07 | Horscht | 80Gb, shiney chrome back can be either classic or video. |
| 19:26:12 | d3m0n | :( |
| 19:26:18 | Horscht | since he said dull black, it's brushed metal, making it a classic |
| 19:26:20 | d3m0n | that sucks lol |
| 19:26:45 | amiconn | All fullsize ipods <= 5.5th Gen have a chrome back, and the Nano 1st Gen too |
| 19:26:47 | * | pixelma is reminded of the comparison picture that was on wikipedia for a while (and wanted to put that into the Rockbox wiki) |
| 19:27:24 | pixelma | still have it here but it was taken down and I'm not sure about the license now |
| 19:27:33 | scorche|sh | d3m0n: sorry for the confusion |
| 19:27:40 | d3m0n | not a problem |
| 19:27:46 | d3m0n | this is why i come to u peoples :) |
| 19:27:53 | Horscht | http://ketsugi.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/side-by-side-comparison.jpg |
| 19:28:10 | Horscht | left is classic, right is video |
| 19:28:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | d3m0n: Left or right? Which looks the most like yours? |
| 19:28:44 | d3m0n | do the last digits of serial help? |
| 19:28:59 | pixelma | Horscht: that's even a different one... |
| 19:29:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | d3m0n: Well, which OF looks like yours? |
| 19:29:17 | Horscht | huh? no. it's a white video vs a sliver classic, pikhq_ |
| 19:29:21 | Horscht | pixelma even |
| 19:29:24 | d3m0n | left looks mroe like it |
| 19:29:40 | pixelma | Horscht: I meant the picture ;) |
| 19:30:09 | Horscht | sorry, what? |
| 19:30:17 | d3m0n | mine has the split screen |
| 19:30:22 | Horscht | classic |
| 19:30:28 | d3m0n | the left one |
| 19:30:55 | * | amiconn kicks the build system |
| 19:31:04 | gevaerts | Apple says a classic will have a serial number ending in Y5N, YMU, YMV, or YMX |
| 19:31:15 | pixelma | Horscht: you found a different comparison picture than the one I wanted to put into the wiki (see a few lines up) :) |
| 19:31:30 | d3m0n | yeah its a classic |
| 19:31:30 | Horscht | ah! |
| 19:31:36 | Horscht | now i understand |
| 19:31:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Which models do you need comparisons of? |
| 19:31:59 | d3m0n | well thanks everyone for the help :) |
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| 19:32:49 | Horscht | I wonder why everyone loves the classic/touch cover flow so much |
| 19:32:58 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: the ones we are talking about right now... wanted to put that on the IdentifyPlayer to make it easier for people to find out... |
| 19:33:02 | Horscht | it looks nice, but it's a pain to find stuff you want |
| 19:33:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I can snap a picture of my video and a Classic side-by-side later on tonight, if your want.. |
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| 19:33:59 | Horscht | i do realy like the vortex game that comes on the classic/nano 3rdgen |
| 19:34:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | */s/your/you |
| 19:34:23 | Horscht | would probably help for the wiki |
| 19:34:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: Everyone likes it because it's "pretty". |
| 19:35:13 | gevaerts | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 has some useful info |
| 19:35:17 | Horscht | I hope your classic and video have the same color, LambdaCalculus37, else people will think white=classic black=video or something |
| 19:36:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: My iPod video is black, and the Classics are both silver. |
| 19:36:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | But a snapshot of the OF will be enough to show people the differences. |
| 19:36:38 | Horscht | both? damn, you're rich, aren't you? |
| 19:36:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: The Classics aren't mine. |
| 19:37:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | They belong to my brother and sister. |
| 19:37:31 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: would be good if we could just point people to a wiki page... |
| 19:37:36 | Horscht | ah, i see. would they miss them? :p |
| 19:38:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Horscht: We're all under the same roof. |
| 19:38:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I digress. |
| 19:38:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Let me look at Wikipedia. |
| 19:38:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Found this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG/250px-20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG |
| 19:39:08 | gevaerts | Which is the pause key on gigabeat ? |
| 19:39:26 | Horscht | tiny picture is tiny |
| 19:39:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | The author of the image says "I release this photo for all fair uses." |
| 19:39:33 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: lowest side button is play/pause, but the manual cna tell you that ;) |
| 19:39:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG/800px-20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_artist_view_side-by-side.JPG |
| 19:40:01 | Horscht | but a good picture. lighting is good |
| 19:40:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oh wait, same pic. :P |
| 19:40:38 | Horscht | yeah, but its bigger now (you magically increased the size!) |
| 19:41:15 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: are you sure ? I didn't find it (the manual seems very incomplete) |
| 19:41:30 | * | scorche|sh checks |
| 19:41:45 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37, Horscht: yeah, that's the one I knew of, but I had it bookmarked and it must have been not available for a while and so I thought it was taken down for copyright reasons |
| 19:42:21 | * | gevaerts considers getting another forum account to ask newbie questions |
| 19:42:45 | pixelma | the gigabeat manual seems broken currently |
| 19:42:58 | pixelma | others too |
| 19:43:11 | roolku | oops. I hope it wasn't me |
| 19:43:28 | pixelma | I'll have a look |
| 19:43:47 | gevaerts | That would explain it... |
| 19:43:55 | pixelma | gevaerts: maybe try an older manual from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 19:44:20 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: 4.3.1 |
| 19:44:24 | gevaerts | I'm building it here now to see what's wrong |
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| 19:44:43 | scorche|sh | pixelma: must just be the server you got...i got it fine |
| 19:44:59 | pixelma | ah no, wrong link |
| 19:45:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nope, the Gigabeat manual is broken here. |
| 19:45:05 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: the html one on the site stops at 4.1.3 |
| 19:45:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | All of the Archos players, too. |
| 19:45:32 | pixelma | scorche|sh: the manuals don't seem complete |
| 19:46:05 | amiconn | Bagder: ping |
| 19:46:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: The Archos ones are all broken. |
| 19:46:26 | pixelma | I'll have a look |
| 19:46:36 | gevaerts | And it doesn't seem to build here. I think I built the c200 manual a few weeks ago, so my system should have all needed tools |
| 19:46:51 | scorche|sh | i see the html one does look broken, however the pdf version i just got sure looks complete to me |
| 19:47:37 | pixelma | that would be a weird thing |
| 19:48:36 | gevaerts | Maybe the pdf one just doesn't get written at all if it fails, so the old one stays ? |
| 19:49:15 | pixelma | likely |
| 19:50:13 | pixelma | yeah, the pdf states that it is the manual of March 5th |
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| 19:51:41 | n1s | I think I found it |
| 19:51:54 | roolku | I think I broke it, but not sure what the fix is |
| 19:52:00 | amiconn | The extra comma? |
| 19:52:51 | n1s | the section describing the hold switch etc in the description of the mrobe isn't properly opted |
| 19:53:34 | amiconn | There's also a trailing comma in line 193 here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/browsing_and_playing.tex?r1=16532;r2=16533 |
| 19:53:53 | amiconn | Not sure whether tex is that picky... |
| 19:54:03 | n1s | Ok I have a fix |
| 19:54:14 | gevaerts | That comma seems to solve it here |
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| 19:55:44 | roolku | there is an MROBE100_PAD missing after the , |
| 19:55:57 | n1s | Ok, I'll add it |
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| 19:57:29 | n1s | fix committed |
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| 20:00:04 | * | gevaerts now rushes to the forum, registers a new account, and asks the same question there, swearing he has read the manual... |
| 20:00:24 | n1s | :P |
| 20:00:26 | gevaerts | Maybe ask it in the wrong section as well ? |
| 20:01:06 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: which question is that? |
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| 20:01:22 | * | amiconn thinks there should be some interface to trigger a manual build, at least if the regular manual builds failed for some reason |
| 20:01:44 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: the one about play/pause ;) |
| 20:01:56 | pixelma | would be nice (broken manuals already happened a few times) |
| 20:02:14 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: well, it is in the older pdf manual ;) |
| 20:02:35 | * | gevaerts thinks the manual should be built automatically and show up on dev.cgi, just like the rest |
| 20:02:36 | scorche|sh | oh...and make sure to say "hai u guyz" |
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| 20:03:31 | pixelma | maybe an own build table for the manuals and a new build only triggered on commits to the manual section? |
| 20:03:55 | amiconn | gevaerts: The manual builds aren't distributed |
| 20:03:57 | pixelma | just brainstorming here |
| 20:04:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche|sh: How about also adding "i haz mp3 plyrz"? :P |
| 20:04:22 | n1s | maybe a bit overkill but at least something that tells us it's broken would be nice |
| 20:04:29 | * | gevaerts goes to have dinner now. Will do the forum post after that ;) |
| 20:04:43 | amiconn | Also, building the manual requires a lot of stuff not needed for normal builds, and that stuff can be quite tricky to set up |
| 20:05:01 | * | amiconn never managed to build the html manual |
| 20:05:07 | * | n1s still cant build html so agrees with amiconn fully :D |
| 20:05:09 | amiconn | pdf sort-of works |
| 20:05:23 | n1s | sort-of? |
| 20:06:01 | pixelma | probably amiconn's first suggestion still would be the best solution |
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| 20:07:38 | amiconn | n1s: Sort-of as in that the pdf is created in the manual/ subfolder, but not moved up one level as it seems to be intended, and also 'make' returns with an error |
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| 20:08:31 | n1s | amiconn: that it is not moved to the correct location is a symptom of a build error I get that behaviour on errors too |
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| 20:08:44 | n1s | I presume you have an up to date makefile? |
| 20:08:45 | pixelma | I _occasionally_ have this one level up problem but sometimes it works as intended |
| 20:09:02 | pixelma | without other build errors |
| 20:09:26 | n1s | it always works here unless I have errors |
| 20:09:32 | pixelma | amiconn: "make manual" is mandatory now |
| 20:09:40 | amiconn | I know |
| 20:10:05 | amiconn | And my manual makefiles are always up to date because I don't keep manual build folders |
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| 20:11:05 | n1s | so what is the error you get? |
| 20:14:35 | amiconn | Strange... now it works |
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| 20:16:55 | amiconn | Hmm, html works too (on linux) |
| 20:17:38 | * | amiconn wonders whether it would be possible to make the manual build log understandable |
| 20:18:37 | * | amiconn tries cygwin |
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| 20:19:48 | n1s | ! |
| 20:19:59 | n1s | html works here too now |
| 20:21:16 | amiconn | Cygwin doesn't work at all now |
| 20:21:29 | amiconn | It wants the file "utf8x.def" |
| 20:22:10 | pixelma | that has to do with the unicode support |
| 20:23:07 | pixelma | I have no problems building on cygwin (except the html manual because I could never figure out how to manually set up the tex4ht packege :\ ) |
| 20:23:19 | pixelma | *package |
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| 20:37:28 | roolku | bagder: I think there is a permission problem on http://haxx.rockbox.org/bootloader/olympus/mrobe100/pp5020.mi4 |
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| 20:39:55 | * | gevaerts uses too long variable names. They clash with the 80-column requirement |
| 20:41:00 | gevaerts | Where should I split a line like 'static struct usb_string_descriptor __attribute__((aligned(2))) usb_string_charging_only =' |
| 20:41:02 | gevaerts | ? |
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| 20:48:36 | amiconn | Make shorter variable names.... |
| 20:48:48 | * | markun has a headache from looking at disassembled firmwares |
| 20:49:09 | amiconn | You could also invent a macro for __attribute__((aligned(2))) as that's needed quite often |
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| 20:50:24 | gevaerts | I could also make it non-static ;) |
| 20:51:43 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives markun an aspirin |
| 20:52:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Been looking at the Meizu firmware? :) |
| 20:53:49 | pixelma | someone with a c200 currently around who would like to test sokoban? Just want to make sure it's not too hard on the eyes as the graphics are ...tiny. I think on my display it looks quite ok now |
| 20:54:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Will update and test now. |
| 20:55:00 | pixelma | it's not committed yet... |
| 20:55:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | :P |
| 20:55:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll test it when it's committed, then. |
| 20:55:32 | * | gevaerts volunteers as well |
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| 20:56:19 | pixelma | easiest and quickest would be if I could send someone the sokoban.rock I compiled for me, I guess |
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| 20:58:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Want to email it to me and gevaerts? |
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| 21:01:18 | * | gevaerts is playing sokoban now |
| 21:02:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: How does it look on the c200? |
| 21:02:26 | gevaerts | Tiny, but I think it's playable |
| 21:02:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 waits for the email from pixelma |
| 21:03:04 | pixelma | it has a different colour scheme than the other colour versions because that was unusable... |
| 21:03:22 | gevaerts | Maybe the yellow "target squares" should contrast a bit more with the background |
| 21:03:54 | pixelma | that's actually rockbox orange but looks more yellow here too |
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| 21:05:41 | pixelma | played quite a bit with colours and contrast, I think the display makes it harder to get something usable at that size |
| 21:07:25 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: thanks, and yes |
| 21:07:46 | markun | well, more at a demo firmware from Samsung |
| 21:09:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: How's that going so far? |
| 21:09:39 | markun | at the moment I'm trying to find all the register addresses |
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| 21:10:06 | markun | there are some debug prints in the firmware which help with that |
| 21:10:21 | markun | things like "PLL setup" etc |
| 21:10:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 loves when companies forget to remove all of the debug output from their firmware :) |
| 21:11:11 | markun | and when they don't encrypt their firmwares |
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| 21:11:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Quite tiny... reminds me of a colorized version of the JBR sokoban. |
| 21:11:47 | gevaerts | This c200 LCD needs different brighness/contrast settings for different usages. Increasing the brighness setting a bit and lowering the contrast setting a bit makes sokoban look a lot better (at the expense of my nice rockbox_default theme) |
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| 21:13:12 | gevaerts | It seems that sokoban needs about the same LCD settings as cabbiev2 to look good, so I think it's fine |
| 21:13:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Me too. |
| 21:13:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | The colors work well against the dark background of cabbiev2. |
| 21:14:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I say the graphics work well with the default theme. |
| 21:14:28 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: c200 can use 5x5 tiles, the Archos only uses 4x4... but yes, I was looking at my Ondio for inspiration... |
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| 21:15:03 | pixelma | thanks for testing :) |
| 21:15:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | You're welcome. :) |
| 21:16:53 | pixelma | not sure when I'll commit yet because I want to make some more graphics too (better sized ones for the Nano and Mini which unnecessarily uses the Archos "graphics" currently for example) |
| 21:18:25 | pixelma | would be good if I could do that all at once but maybe could be done one by one... |
| 21:19:45 | gevaerts | Actually on c200 it looks less tiny than on gigabeat. They are about the same absolute size on screen, but since the gigabeat screen is much bigger (mostly higher) it seems different |
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| 21:21:30 | pixelma | yes, the gigabeat uses 9x9 tiles now and *could* use 12x12 ones and I want to prepare that as well. Also the c200 forced me to a new colour scheme, maybe the other ones should use it too? |
| 21:21:32 | * | gevaerts goes back to making his code look tiny |
| 21:22:35 | gevaerts | Maybe. They probably need to be side by side to be sure |
| 21:23:49 | pixelma | will probably still look different even if I use the same palette |
| 21:24:03 | gevaerts | That can't be helped I guess |
| 21:25:39 | pixelma | indeed, just thinking that a redish thing on green background is always a bit hard to read/see (like in the current versions) |
| 21:27:27 | gevaerts | Yes. The main problem on the gigabeat is that the crate-pusher is hard to see. The crates and target-squares are fine |
| 21:29:17 | * | gevaerts wants to finish a HID driver for the c200 and USB host on the gigabeat, so he can use the c200's keypad as a remote for the gigabeat |
| 21:30:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: You're crazy. :D |
| 21:30:21 | gevaerts | Why ? Other players have remotes... |
| 21:30:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was just kidding. :) |
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| 21:30:52 | amiconn | Make the c200 host too... |
| 21:30:53 | pixelma | the gigabeat has a (non-LCD) remote as well |
| 21:31:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, using the c200 as a Gigabeat remote would be really cool looking. |
| 21:31:49 | Beta2K | Make doom easier to play |
| 21:32:01 | gevaerts | It would require some custom cabling since the USB host pins are only available on the dock connector |
| 21:32:42 | Beta2K | toffe82 found the connectors |
| 21:34:04 | * | gevaerts gets to work. The sooner this PP USB is finished, the sooner Gigabeat host can get started |
| 21:35:23 | * | amiconn is going to bisect the 1st/2nd Gen binary |
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| 21:50:31 | Lear | Gah, data abort when trying to seek in a file (causing a rebuffer)... |
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| 22:03:14 | Stripwax_ | GodEater - where are you?? DevConPub is underway.. |
| 22:04:14 | gevaerts | Stripwax_: built any towers yet ? |
| 22:04:19 | * | bluebrother wonders if there will be "live" images ... |
| 22:04:31 | Stripwax_ | Yes but no camera! |
| 22:05:29 | bluebrother | too bad. So we won't see the tower at all? |
| 22:05:41 | BigBambi | Do a drawing :) |
| 22:05:47 | * | gevaerts runs to the station with his camera. London is only maybe 6 hours away by train... |
| 22:07:20 | pixelma | ask some bystanding tourists (convince them it's a new sight) ;) |
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| 22:07:58 | gevaerts | There must be someone with a camera phone nearby |
| 22:09:30 | pixelma | the "Leaning Tower of Rockbox" |
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| 22:21:49 | Lear | There are ways to stream live via a mobile phone with a camera... |
| 22:21:51 | amiconn | I thought the problem would be data alignment, but it rather seems to be code alignment... |
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| 22:26:49 | Stripwax_ | Www.beermex.com/rockhenge.jpg |
| 22:27:07 | BigBambi | Stripwax_: Persmission issues |
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| 22:27:18 | BigBambi | *permission |
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| 22:28:21 | saratoga | has anyone else noticed that it takes quite a while for the Sansa backlight to come on when you push a button? |
| 22:29:30 | gevaerts | saratoga: not on my c250 |
| 22:30:50 | * | Stripwax_ sighs |
| 22:31:34 | saratoga | on the e200 its quite noticable |
| 22:31:41 | saratoga | about 1-2 seconds |
| 22:31:55 | amiconn | It seems to depend on certain settings, not on target |
| 22:32:42 | amiconn | It's been reported for all sorts of targets, but I don't see it on any of my targets |
| 22:34:02 | saratoga | i presumed it was because we power off the entire LCD on the sansa |
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| 22:34:20 | * | gevaerts forgot to disable USB_SERIAL in his last commit... |
| 22:35:10 | Lear | saratoga: I see it too. Apparently a threading/priority issue, according to jhMikeS (IIRC). |
| 22:35:47 | Stripwax_ | Try now. It looks like turd, mind. I blame tmobile |
| 22:36:30 | BigBambi | Stripwax_: A fine tower :) |
| 22:36:51 | Horscht | spiderTower |
| 22:38:13 | gevaerts | How many players are in there ? |
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| 22:39:09 | bluebrother | stripwax: nice tower. Too bad the image isn't better |
| 22:39:40 | * | gevaerts wonders why the aspect ratio seems off |
| 22:40:56 | saratoga | hmm my file brower isn't working |
| 22:41:00 | saratoga | but database works fine |
| 22:41:05 | saratoga | anyone noticed this before |
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| 22:52:54 | pixelma | saratoga: maybe you managed to change your file view to playlists or so? But I don't know exactly what you mean by "my file browser isn't working"... |
| 22:53:17 | amiconn | Okay, the PP5002 crash problem is definitely located in thread.c |
| 22:53:52 | amiconn | Now one can see there is a reason why I always complain about the complexity in the scheduler :\ |
| 22:54:15 | gevaerts | Complexity _anywhere_ is suspicious |
| 22:54:30 | petur | amen |
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| 23:00:10 | saratoga | pixelma: thanks |
| 23:00:38 | saratoga | Lear: pausing music seems to eliminate the long pause for back light on my sansa, while playing high bitrate mp3s can make it last as long as 4 seconds |
| 23:00:45 | saratoga | so it would seem to be a scheduling issue |
| 23:00:54 | saratoga | perhaps the backlight thread needs a higher priority |
| 23:01:49 | n1s | It seems to me that since the prio scheduler was introduced we have slowly been bumping the priority for more and more threads... |
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| 23:11:24 | amiconn | Problem further tracked down: it's within switch_thread() |
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| 23:11:43 | * | petur gets reminded of a young rookie at work introducing different priorities in a project to solve issues that turned out to have completely diifferent causes, and using priorities brought loads of extra troubles.... |
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| 23:15:11 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:15:19 | Bagder | I've been through that exact experience |
| 23:15:37 | Bagder | "what if we put the jobs in different queues based on prio"... |
| 23:16:26 | gevaerts | Once people ask "what does priority mean ?", they starts to understand |
| 23:17:08 | amiconn | Bagder: I pinged you earlier... do you have an idea why the build system sometimes doesn't pick up commits? |
| 23:17:16 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:17:21 | Bagder | but I've seen it happen |
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| 23:17:48 | amiconn | r16539 wasn't picked up... |
| 23:18:09 | amiconn | Does it perhaps check file types? |
| 23:18:18 | amiconn | That commit only included .S files |
| 23:19:15 | Bagder | no, it just does "svn up | ./tools/svnupcheck.pl" |
| 23:19:35 | Bagder | and if that is non-empty, it is taken as a commit worthy of a rebuild |
| 23:20:43 | amiconn | odd... |
| 23:21:03 | Bagder | yeah, and annoying too... |
| 23:25:36 | amiconn | Are there some logs? |
| 23:28:26 | amiconn | Bagder: Also, what do you think about some interface to manually kick manual builds? (see log 20:01) |
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| 23:30:03 | Bagder | shouldn't be very hard to setup |
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| 23:40:42 | petur | amiconn: I tested setting powermanagement right after reset as first command - same error. Now I'm wondering if I should issue something before setting powermanagement. Would have been nice if word 85 was filled in, but it is 0 :/ |
| 23:41:14 | amiconn | What card is that? |
| 23:41:37 | petur | adata 8gb x266 |
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| 23:47:27 | amiconn | Do you know which of your cards fail on setting apm? |
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| 23:49:31 | petur | I think they all do... was one of the very first things I tried |
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| 23:49:54 | petur | the strange thing is there have been reports of adata cards working fine |
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| 23:51:00 | petur | I think I'll borrow some cards from work for the weekend |
| 23:51:11 | amiconn | What irritates me is that word 85 is all-zero, although the (non-advanced) power management features should be enabled since it's mandatory... |
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| 23:53:08 | amiconn | And word 82 bit 3 indicates that power management is supported |
| 23:53:15 | petur | yes, but 0 is allowed if not supported. I hate the fact that they are allowed to just not fill in certain values |
| 23:54:02 | amiconn | The card indicates that it conforms to ata-4 ... |
| 23:54:19 | * | amiconn only has ata-5, 6 and 7 standards as pdf |
| 23:54:34 | petur | some bits *must* be set in 85, so they are violating the spec :/ |
| 23:55:03 | amiconn | Well, unless ata-4 allows to leave them out... |
| 23:55:03 | * | petur still uses CF 4.1 as spec |
| 23:55:25 | petur | it says 'prior to ata-4' |
| 23:56:11 | petur | and 'Bit 14 of word 87 shall be set to one' |
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| 23:58:00 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:58:09 | petur | ah, my sandisk 1gb complies to that |
| 23:58:42 | amiconn | But also: "The value 0000h or FFFFh was placed in each of these words by CompactFlash Storage Cards prior to ATA-4 and shall be interpreted by the host as meaning that features/command sets enabled are not indicated." |
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