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#rockbox log for 2008-03-11

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00:23:49ek0any idea when a new version that supports new ipods 6 gen will be out ? is it being worked on ?
00:26:57markunek0: I don't think anyone is working on it
00:28:13ek0hmmm... you know of any rockbox alternative ? my major concern is being able to use file structure to choose what to play
00:29:08markunI'm pretty sure it doesn't exist
00:29:21ek0darn !
00:29:34markunotherwise people would also be porting rockbox
00:29:35scorche|shif it did exist, we should have some helpful clues =/
00:30:41ek0i am gonna have to go through my mp3's making playlists and fixing id3 tags... the horror
00:32:01scorche|shnext time consider a different device then ;)
00:32:05toffe82markun: how can you write a tool to dump of the bootloader if you have don't really have access to the system ? ?
00:32:53ek0scorche|sh: got anything else that holds 160 gigs :( i hate apple, but what's the feasable alternative :(
00:34:24scorche|shek0: as far as 160 GB, only one current rockbox target can go up that high, however it is likely not what you are looking for
00:34:34scorche|sh(well, one family)
00:34:43ek0archos ?
00:34:51scorche|shyup
00:35:01scorche|shothers have been upgraded to 100
00:35:10ek0too expensive for me, and too big (physically)
00:36:04scorche|shexpensive?
00:36:09scorche|shi doubt that
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00:37:19roolkulow_light: great stuff. looks like you have been busy
00:38:03ek0450 $ is a bit expensive my friend :P
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00:41:42scorche|shek0: the archoses i am talking about are the ones that rockbox supports (not much sense to talk about much else in this channel)
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00:41:53scorche|sh...which are >6 years old
00:42:13ek0ohh okay
00:42:28ek0well thanks anyways, you guys have been helpful
00:42:30ek0toodles
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00:48:37PhillSlasheri: If you read the logs, I am not sure about your comment yesterday regarding alignment in FS #7598. As far as I can see, the only place I really do anything different in terms of allocation (line 302), I use dircache_gen_next, which already forces correct alignment.
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05:26:42RunningUtesDoes anyone know how to enable morse code in the virtual keyboard for sansa e200
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05:36:31blackkRunningUtes: try defining KBD_MORSE_INPUT
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06:06:32blackkRunningUtes: also you need to define ACTION_KBD_MORSE_INPUT and ACTION_KBD_MORSE_SELECT in apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c
06:07:23RunningUtesthanks, I'll read up on that
06:07:44RunningUtesI assume that there is a way to compile in linux
06:08:52blackkRunningUtes: the easiest way to start is to download the VMWare image (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform)
06:10:40RunningUtesthanks for the tip. I put in a request, but thought that I would check out the IRC for info
06:10:45RunningUteshave a nice night
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06:12:32scorche|sh...why would he need to bother with the VMware image in linux?
06:13:13blackktrue
06:13:39blackkany reason morse was not enabled on sansas?
06:15:38JdGordonbecause noone has set up the keys for it
06:16:13blackkok, I'll do it then
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07:01:13blackkok, done, I have the patch to enable morse on e200. is it better to add it as a comment to the future request or as a patch?
07:01:35LloreanPatch
07:01:54LloreanThat way people searching can find it. Then request that the feature request be closed
07:06:24blackkok, done. FS #8719
07:10:08blackkworks quite nicely, easier than scrolling around through the virtual keyboard
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08:20:35amiconnhrrmmm
08:20:55amiconnViewport lists are still broken
08:26:21JdGordonamiconn: my crystal ball is broken... if you find a bloody bug why dont you say what it is instead of just saying its there?!
08:27:49amiconn(1) List colours are broken on X5 remote. Strangely enough, it seems to behave different between target and sim, so I'm not sure why this happens
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08:28:43amiconnOn my X5, the lists are black-on-black now (I have the main lcd set to the good old rockbox standard colours, with an orange solid-colour selector bar and black text)
08:28:58amiconnI mean the lists *on the remote* are black on black
08:31:13amiconn(2) The button bar problem on recorder is also still there
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08:34:55XavierGrBagder, Zagor: The favicon on the main page of Rockbox.org is somehow broken. It works on some pages though
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09:11:46amiconnJdGordon: Problem (3) Statusbar redraw interval seems to be too long if no button is pressed. Just boot rockbox on a target with virtual disk LED (dircache disabled) and watch the icon, touching no button
09:13:21*petur reads some great news, google will be accepting more projects for GSoC this year...
09:14:25GodEaterhas our application been sent off yet ?
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09:15:10peturI think so, yes
09:16:54peturZagor: the change links in the build table no longer work
09:17:15peturexample: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20080310T213921Z.html
09:18:55Zagorodd, that is Bagder's baby and should not have been affected by my move.
09:33:23SSnakegood morning
09:34:01SSnakeyesterday night i wasn't able to make the menu stuff work...
09:34:21SSnakeso there's some problem with my code indeed
09:37:33SSnakeexactly in the moment i call rb->do_menu(...) all audio stops and playlist becomes empty
09:37:49SSnakeanyone ever had this kind of "problem"
09:37:50SSnake?
09:38:27pondlifeSSnake: Would that require the audio buffer for some reason?
09:39:02pondlifePerhaps you could try it on the simulator and step through the code in gdb
09:39:04SSnakeall the plugin calls only plugbuf
09:40:40SSnake....never used gdb....does it take long to learn?
09:40:47pondlifeNo
09:40:48stripwaxnah
09:41:54SSnakeis there some wiki to start on? or i have to search on google for gnu gdb?
09:44:19SSnakeah i was forgetting to ask...i didn't know if sound works under sim...so i tried playing back an mp3: it crashed. So sim sound it's not supported?
09:44:40stripwaxsim sound works fine for me
09:44:57stripwaxon cygwin/xp
09:45:27SSnakeDOH!
09:46:03JdGordon1) no idea, cant see anything wrong there, and if its different from the sim I cant do much about debugging it.. 2) still trying to think of a better solution to what I've got, 3) that depends on the screen and isnt really a big deal
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09:56:49ZagorBagderr: do you know why the diffs on build/dev.cgi no longer work? did I break that?
09:57:08Bagderryes, the svn log script doesn't find the .pm file
09:57:18Zagorwhich pm file?
09:57:21Bagderrnicedate
09:57:25Zagoraha
09:57:27Zagorfixing
09:57:43Bagderrimho, we should move that to the same dir or let the script set the search path before the require
09:58:09BagderrI use that script from multiple places
09:59:02Zagorhmm, why doesn't it find the pm? it hasn't moved
09:59:21Bagderrit never found it nicely anyway
09:59:31BagderrI just did weird hacks in my side to make it work before
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10:00:46Zagorpush @INC, "/path/to/pm";
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10:05:29SSnake...trying to install all the cygwin toolchain...crossing my fingers in the hope it was my debian distro fault...
10:06:00BagderrSSnake: debian works perfectly for rockbox development
10:06:16*mrkiko confirms
10:06:25SSnakei know...the vmware image also is debian
10:06:48SSnakei tried installing vmware player etc and it seg faulted when i loaded an mp3
10:06:59mrkikowow
10:07:01SSnakeeven inside vmware image
10:07:23mrkikoI can't even get the sim to play an mp3 file
10:07:36mrkiko(it simply don't support audio on my system even if there are no sdl - compilation problem)
10:07:54mrkikoAnd since the emu is a graphic-mode app, I stopped trying to get it work. I have no possibilities ...
10:09:02SSnakenice to hear i'm not the only one in this situation :P
10:09:32*pondlife uses the sim as his media player.
10:09:39pondlifeSo I can test while at work...
10:09:58SSnakeabout my playbak-control.h "findings" do i have to query LinusN?
10:10:56JdGordonwhats your findings?
10:11:44SSnakeplayback-control.h
10:12:12SSnakethe playback_control_menu variable is not a pointer to that structure
10:12:24SSnakeit is the structure
10:13:37JdGordongrr.. an extra * got in there?
10:13:41SSnakeexactly
10:15:11mrkikoOh... this may cause crashes some times
10:15:12SSnakei discovered while trying to use it...the compiler warned about a different type conflict..
10:15:40SSnakebut i think actually no plugins uses that variable
10:15:53JdGordonyeah, nothing uses it... why are you trying to though?
10:16:45JdGordonfixef
10:16:46SSnakebecause there was something in my plugin that didn't worked so i started checking all files used, including playback-.control.h/c
10:17:05SSnakebut unfortunately nothing worked
10:17:30stripwaxa bug in your plugin?
10:17:54SSnakeyes it seems so....but i can't understand why
10:18:00stripwaxdid gdb help?
10:18:22SSnakenever used..i should start learning that
10:21:08Bagderrpointers suck? ;-)
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10:23:40JdGordons/pointers/me :p
10:24:33SSnakeah ah... JdGordon you should also fix the dict.c buffer handling error
10:24:45SSnakeof course not made by you :P
10:25:18SSnakeit's also on flyspray but didn't see anyone fixing it
10:26:20stripwaxIs it expected that profiling doesn't work for a thread on the cop on pp targets?
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10:35:52amiconnstripwax: I would expect that, yes. Profiling was developed on coldfire, i.e. single core
10:36:36amiconnAnd iirc the profiling result processing script doesn't work for arm either
10:39:05stripwaxamiconn - yeah, pretty sure the result parsing won't work, but for cpu profile I get some kind of output, and for cop profile I get a profile.out full of zeros
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10:39:40stripwaxwas trying to profile pacbox when I noticed that. I was using my pacbox-on-cop patch ;-) will try profiling without that patch
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10:44:38DerPapsthi all
10:45:01peturmorning
10:45:19DerPapst:)+
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10:46:49DerPapsti was wondering, now, that the lists are using viewports is it possible that i can place the list on some "random" position on the screen in a plugin? (e.g. 20px from the top and 10px from the left)
10:55:09BagderrZagor: I think it is worth adding the www in svn on the front page news, so that committers start realizing what it means... :-)
10:56:23peturoh, we can modify the www? :)
10:56:53amiconnBagder: That's the good old www/ path in svn now?
10:56:59Bagderryes
10:57:10amiconnpetur: That was already possible long long ago, in cvs times...
10:57:20Bagderrit only took a few years...
10:57:33peturhmmm before my time then...
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11:00:00Bagderryoungster!
11:00:11*petur bows
11:02:45*petur managed to get svn bootloader reliable on his h380 by adding several printf in the ata init code :( must figure out which one is critical. Bootloader usb mode likes to hang too :(
11:04:11amiconnDid you try making the sleep() after ata powerup a bit longer?
11:06:02peturfirst thing I tried... nothing
11:06:34peturand while testing I got loads if illegal instructions and stuff...
11:07:16pondlifeNice
11:07:18peturalso, replacing printf with sleep didn't quite do the trick, which puzzles me
11:07:35pondlifeHow about a simple (long) for loop?
11:07:49peturbut it seems to be really specific to my h380 :/
11:08:06pondlifeI should try the latest SVN bootloader.
11:08:25pondlifeCurrently running r14938M
11:08:36pondlifeBut I can't recall what the M was :/
11:08:46peturand no more time for it until next week (got a short ski-trip coming up)
11:09:54pondlifeZagor: Would you consider putting the wiki-style side menu on the other pages (i.e. one without breaks, that looks better in IE7)?
11:10:13peturI wonder why LinusN prevented booting Rockbox when the charger is inserted. It stays in the bootloader now, so car mode is not possible. IMHO, it should just boot and charge there
11:10:29DerPapstpondlife: M == Modified
11:10:31Zagorpondlife: I've added it to some pages but not all due to the mess the homepage was in before. i'll do it everywhere now.
11:10:44pondlifeI assume that you don't want to spin up the HD if battery is flat.
11:10:52LinusNpetur: because there were occasions where the battery was so low that it couldn't boot
11:10:52pondlifeDerPapst: I know, but I don't recall what I modified
11:10:57peturDerPapst: I'm sure he knows what M means, just not what he modified
11:10:59DerPapstah ok ;-)
11:11:07*petur slow
11:11:07pondlifeWith a bootloader that might be quite important :)
11:11:07*DerPapst hides
11:11:19Zagorpondlife: I assume for example http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml looks ok for you?
11:11:35peturLinusN: so boot if battery > safety_voltage ?
11:11:36pondlifeNo, that's squished
11:11:43Zagor!
11:11:50LinusNpetur: something like that
11:11:51pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome looks good
11:12:11peturLinusN: looks like something to do next week :)
11:12:31Zagorpondlife: then my hypothesis about whitespace was wrong. it's something else.
11:12:41pondlifeI wonder what..
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11:15:06pondlifecharset being specified?
11:15:52Zagorthey use different dtd's. twiki is xhtml 1.0 while the homepage is html4
11:16:34*petur doesn't care, IE7 sucks anyway
11:18:57XavierGrZagor did you see my comment about the broken favicon on the main page?
11:19:02pondlifeTrue, but what chance of a fix and I'm stuck with it at work
11:19:10ZagorXavierGr: no
11:19:32XavierGrZagor: it seems that it works on certain pages but not on the main one and some others
11:20:09pondlifeXavierGr: Does it work only on wiki-based pages? i.e. extras is ok, but releases is not
11:20:25ZagorXavierGr: fixed
11:21:13XavierGrZagor: thanks
11:22:15DerPapstdoesn't the new IE7 have a better render engine (even better then ff2)?
11:22:38Bagderr"better" surely depends on who you ask
11:23:07DerPapstwell it passes the acid2 test wich ff2's doesn't.
11:23:23Zagorto be fair, many browsers do weird things in transitional mode. I
11:23:30Zagor'm switching to 4.01 strict
11:23:46DerPapstheh
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11:25:18Bagderreverything will be good in html5
11:25:22*Bagderr ducks and runs
11:26:00*gevaerts recommends to put the entire website in one big hyperlinked pdf
11:26:07DerPapsthahaha
11:27:10ZagorDerPapst: actually ie7 doesn't pass acid2
11:27:25pondlifeIt certainly doesn't here!
11:27:36DerPapstZagor: the updated version of IE7 claims to pass ot.
11:27:46DerPapst*it
11:27:53pondlifeI get http://www.notmart.org/images/2_ie7-acid2.jpg
11:27:56DerPapstbut whatever :-)
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11:28:21DerPapsthehe.. the bloddy smiely
11:28:49pondlifeIt bled to death, and an OT death at that...
11:29:05DerPapst*bloody even
11:30:14pondlifeZagor: The menu's good now. But no favicon on the home page still
11:30:56Zagorwell the file is there and the html refers to it. there's not much more I can do.
11:31:17*gevaerts thinks we should have an acid2-based theme
11:31:21pondlifeNo biggie, just thought you'd like to know
11:31:23pondlifehehe
11:31:25Zagorgevaerts: hehe
11:31:32pondlifeZagor: Thanks
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11:37:06pondlifeNow just need the icon menus on the forum
11:37:40Bagderrwe need to generate a template on the site for others to use easily
11:37:55Bagderrlike the forums
11:38:30LloreanYes, please.
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11:38:48Lloreanusually I just view source on the main page, and copy and paste the menu table when things change.
11:39:03pondlifeIs there anywhere else? rockbox-themes needs a different menu...
11:39:19BagderrI guess build.rockbox.org could use it too
11:39:33Bagderrsvn.rockbox.org ?
11:39:49pondlifeIt appears to be ok on build.rockbox.org anyway
11:40:08Bagderryeah, it sucks it directly from the site's directory
11:40:17Bagderrsince they're on the same machine right now
11:40:40pondlifeI assume build and svn have both got access to the source now :)
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12:01:08JdGordonDerPapst: that will be possible, but its not yet
12:01:17JdGordonyou could do it easily with a custom build now though
12:02:15*JdGordon shows up late.... whats this talk about us being able to kill the www with a bad commit?
12:05:38*petur thinks JdGordon should not be allowed near the WWW. He's start putting iframes everywhere :p
12:05:55petur*he'd
12:06:01JdGordonhaha
12:06:08JdGordonna, I hate web development
12:06:13BagderrJdGordon: well, you can fix the www with a good commit...
12:06:45JdGordonhas anything happened with trying to get forums onto your server?
12:07:01Bagderrno, we're not trying to do that
12:07:18peturI thought we didn't what that bandwidth....
12:07:30aliaskZagor: It seems that on the daily.shtml the revision number isn't being set, so the revision number in "latest (r1234)" doesn't get shown
12:10:38JdGordonanyone mind if I put rec/radio screen rewrites on as gSoC?
12:10:40DerPapstJdGordon: thanks...
12:10:48JdGordonas a GSoC project even
12:11:49DerPapstnow i have to figure out how to. Does FS #8457 do something similar already?
12:12:08peturJdGordon: good idea
12:12:20JdGordonvery simple... either change the defaults in viewport.c or in gui/list.c
12:12:44*petur has a strong opinion on the rec screen however...
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12:12:48DerPapstbut that changes all list...
12:15:08JdGordonyes
12:15:34JdGordonpetur: rec screen is definatly one we will have trouble making everyone happy with
12:16:01DerPapstbummer... i only want to change the position of one single list.
12:16:15JdGordonbut... isnt there an idea floating around to have a scrollable list or something on half the screen and something else on the other half?
12:17:06peturJdGordon: yes, that is my idea ;)
12:17:32peturtop of screen has status data and peakmeters, bottom part a scrollable list with some settings
12:17:43JdGordonnot inline settings?
12:18:48peturno normal settings, as I want to be able to set L+G gain together but also individually tweak L and R
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12:23:03linuxstbWon't that upset people? (making them harder to access)
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12:23:26peturwhy?
12:23:52peturdid you see how recording screen gain changes work now?
12:24:36linuxstbYes. IIUC, you're suggesting they become standard list settings?
12:25:20peturno, I wanted to say that the rec screen settings should not become a plain normal settings list like we have now for other stuff
12:25:36peturie rec screen settings = special list
12:26:14JdGordonamiconn: polease have a look at FS #8721.. its BB in viewports.. but I've hit a wall and need input...
12:26:31*petur executes function lunch(deadbeef);
12:26:39JdGordon:D
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12:27:19*JdGordon was gonna say before petur ran off that he is happy to get the screen working in 2 spots if someone else does the work of populating the list...
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12:28:49*petur eats it too
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12:30:24Zagoraliask: yes I saw that. looking into it.
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13:02:59gevaertsAre there ipod 5G mainboard pictures on the wiki somewhere ? I'm thinking of opening mine tonight to see if I can get some voltage measurements, but I'd like to know what I'm looking for first
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13:04:13DerPapstifixit.com has some instuctions how to open the 5G
13:04:24DerPapstbut not high res
13:05:24DerPapstthere are 2 more links of PCBs http://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fifth_Generation_.285G.29_.2F_Fifth_Generation_Enhanced_.285.5G.29
13:07:58gevaertsThanks. Now I just need to find where I need to measure.
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