#rockbox 2008-03-12

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#rockbox log for 2008-03-12

00:00:48		Quit tanjahreeen ("CGI:IRC")
00:02:01	*	gevaerts would add m:robe 100 to that list, but no-one knows when that will be ready either I guess
00:03:06	pixelma	yeah, just noticed myself that I forgot about that one. I only thought that "portalplayer targets" might be a bit abstract for a newbie...
00:04:57	gevaerts	It might be, yes. And maybe even "portalplayer targets" would be too concrete, since once people figure out the correct enable magic, it should also work on iMX31
00:05:55	pixelma	ah, right
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00:08:58	Kupopop	I took apart my iriver H140 just now and noticed that there are RXD and TXD pads on the main board
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00:09:25	bluebrother	those are an unconnected UART running at 3.3V levels (IIRC)
00:09:33	tanjahreeen	hi sorry i disconnected
00:09:37	bluebrother	there is documentation about this in the wiki somewhere.
00:09:45	Kupopop	okay I'll have a look thanks
00:09:51	tanjahreeen	how do i connect my sansa with rockbox onto the pC?
00:10:08	bluebrother	using a cable ;)
00:10:11	tanjahreeen	i do
00:10:20	tanjahreeen	but my pc does not recognize it
00:10:21	bluebrother	you need to boot into the OF for disk access
00:10:30	tanjahreeen	uhhh
00:10:36	tanjahreeen	i dont know that that is
00:10:38	pixelma	turn it off and then connect
00:10:49	tanjahreeen	ohhh
00:11:11	bluebrother	the FAQ knows this ...
00:11:15	pixelma	or you could boot into the Original Firmware manually...
00:11:39	tanjahreeen	wait
00:11:41	tanjahreeen	actually
00:11:47	tanjahreeen	i turned it off
00:11:56	tanjahreeen	while the cabel was plugged in
00:11:59	pixelma	and sometimes you don't need to turn it off and it just reboots automatically
00:11:59	tanjahreeen	and rockbox booted normally
00:12:08	tanjahreeen	but
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00:12:13	tanjahreeen	it didnt show up
00:12:19	tanjahreeen	on my pc
00:12:23	bluebrother	did it boot into the OF?
00:12:38	tanjahreeen	lol
00:12:38	*	bluebrother considers making the key column in the buttonmap fixed width
00:12:41	tanjahreeen	sorry
00:12:46	bluebrother	rotfl.
00:12:51	tanjahreeen	can you tell me how to boot into the OF?
00:12:54	pixelma	could you please try to put one sentence on one line instead of 4 or 5? Makes it so much easier to read
00:12:59	bluebrother	sorry, was just because.
00:13:08	tanjahreeen	i dont know how to do it
00:13:14	tanjahreeen	and i misunderstood you
00:13:14	bluebrother	tanjahreeen: have you tried the FAQ? Or the manual?
00:13:20	tanjahreeen	uhhh
00:13:21	tanjahreeen	yeah
00:13:23	tanjahreeen	but
00:13:26	tanjahreeen	its kinda confusing
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00:13:32	bluebrother	the manual at least holds how to boot into the OF.
00:13:37	tanjahreeen	kk
00:13:38	tanjahreeen	thanks
00:13:41	tanjahreeen	ill check it out
00:14:39	tanjahreeen	kk
00:14:46	tanjahreeen	i did the original firmware
00:14:52	tanjahreeen	but when i do msc mode
00:14:57	tanjahreeen	nothing happens
00:15:04	pixelma	turn your player off while the cable is not connected and then just connect. In case you have a microSD plugged it can happen that the original firmware starts but doesn't register the USB connection
00:15:37	pixelma	tanjahreeen: and please don't use the enter key so often - there is no need for that...
00:15:45	tanjahreeen	sorry
00:15:51	tanjahreeen	ok
00:16:09	*	bluebrother saw it again ...
00:16:13	tanjahreeen	so i am in the "OF" i plugged my cable in... but nothing happens
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00:16:36	pixelma	do you have a microSD inserted?
00:16:39	tanjahreeen	no
00:17:13	pixelma	so you're saying that you don't get the "connected" screen?
00:17:19	tanjahreeen	no
00:17:29	tanjahreeen	i mean yes that is what im saying
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00:17:46	tanjahreeen	im thinking that my sansa thinks the cable is like a wall charger
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00:18:32	pixelma	could you try to plug it again (leave the Original Firmware running) - maybe even try a different port on your computer?
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00:18:55	tanjahreeen	kk
00:18:56	bluebrother	maybe there's a hub inbetween causing errors?
00:18:57	tanjahreeen	ill try
00:19:08	tanjahreeen	nope, no hub
00:19:34	tanjahreeen	yay it worked
00:19:42	tanjahreeen	i guess that usb prot stopped working
00:21:40	tanjahreeen	thanks guys
00:25:26	tanjahreeen	and by the way, is there a possibilty that i can keep my menu in english, but if my songs are in chinese, that they are displayed in my song list?
00:26:05	bluebrother	the tracks are listed according to their tags (database) or filenames.
00:26:18	bluebrother	how should we "translate" your tags`
00:26:25	tanjahreeen	not translate
00:26:37	tanjahreeen	like keep them and display them in their original characters
00:26:52	bluebrother	well, name your files / tags accordingly.
00:27:06	bluebrother	or, asking first: have you already tried?
00:27:50	tanjahreeen	the tag is in chinese
00:27:57	tanjahreeen	yes my songs are in chinese
00:28:15	tanjahreeen	but rockbox is not displaying anything in place where chinese is the tag
00:28:25	tanjahreeen	it is just blank
00:28:40	bluebrother	you need to use a font that has these characters. Try unifont
00:28:41		Quit roolku ()
00:28:59	bluebrother	and depending on your tags you might need to select the correct codepage
00:30:04	tanjahreeen	where can i find unifont?
00:30:38	bluebrother	its part of the fonts package
00:31:05	tanjahreeen	ok thanks i selected it, and it works thanks alot!
00:31:18	*	bluebrother sighs
00:31:44	tanjahreeen	1 question though, from now on do i have to select it when i turn it on? or is it default now
00:32:13	bluebrother	http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
00:32:18	tanjahreeen	lol
00:32:18	pixelma	why not try? ;)
00:32:32	*	bluebrother gets really tired by these FAQ questions
00:32:32	tanjahreeen	nevermind i just tried it thanks you guys ill stop bothering you guys now
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00:32:41	tanjahreeen	bye!
00:32:47	*	bluebrother goes building all manuals
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00:32:50	*	gevaerts also has a question...
00:33:07	*	bluebrother hides
00:33:09	pixelma	bluebrother: that's double...
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00:33:37	scorche\|sh	gevaerts: you are supposed to log in as streaveg when you ask questions ;)
00:33:47	bluebrother	LOL
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00:34:16	*	bluebrother awaits question
00:34:36	streaveg	Can any settting be put in a theme .cfg file, or is it limited to theme-related settings ?
00:34:54	bluebrother	streaveg: a cfg can hold as much settings as it wants to
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00:35:07	*	streaveg is making a theme for gevaerts's gigabeat
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00:35:25	bluebrother	but putting non-theme settings in a theme setting might be confusing though ...
00:35:47	scorche\|sh	(if you are going to distribute, that is)
00:36:11	gevaerts	I promise not to distribute a theme that enables dircache :)
00:36:30	bluebrother	scorche\|sh: you might even confuse yourself if you load such a "theme" file a couple of weeks later and wonder why like the volume changed too ;)
00:37:08	bluebrother	but technically are theme files only a convenience thing
00:37:25	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: i would REALLY confuse myself if it did that as i never listen out of the headphone port and only out of the line out ;)
00:37:31	gevaerts	Actually on the sansa c200 screen, it might make sense to include brightness/contrast settings
00:38:04	pixelma	gevaerts: I think it wouldn't - someone else's screen might be different...
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00:38:56	*	bluebrother looks for a slightly breakable space in LaTeX
00:39:22	gevaerts	there is that of course. Especially on sansa, where nobody seems to know what parts are included in what player...
00:39:28	pixelma	gevaerts: or even someone else's eyes or "watching habits", if I think of how different people adjust the colour settings of a TV for example
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00:40:05	*	gevaerts probably wouldn't be a good theme builder
00:40:09	scorche\|sh	and if they happen to listen in their bed at night or in their car in the daytime
00:40:29	pixelma	bluebrother: "slightly breakable space"?
00:40:33	gevaerts	They should use different themes for day and night !
00:40:48	scorche\|sh	gevaerts: actually, i do sometimes... ;)
00:40:50	bluebrother	yeah, something that _could_ get broken but is preferred to get not
00:40:56	pixelma	gevaerts: automatically chosen by daytime?
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00:41:16	Nico_P	DAPs need light sensors! :)
00:41:17	bluebrother	I'm fiddling with the button tables -- the long alternate lists require some change here
00:41:29	scorche\|sh	maybe that could be a use for the ambient light sensor on PrototypeB!...measure the light and adjust your theme accordingly
00:41:36	scorche\|sh	Nico_P: hah
00:41:38	bluebrother	pixelma: automatically chosen by users mood ;-)
00:41:57	gevaerts	... which can be determined from what's playing
00:42:17	bluebrother	pixelma: check the button table for the virtual keyboard in the e200 manual :/
00:42:17	scorche\|sh	perhaps we could have a device that goes on one's arm and changes their theme by their pulse
00:42:40	*	scorche\|sh waits for AAP support to come in so such a device can be possible ;)
00:42:41	bluebrother	(i.e. the output)
00:42:44	Nico_P	or a a camera and facial expression recognition
00:42:58	bluebrother	the MR500 has a camera already ...
00:43:19	Nico_P	yeah we just need to code the facial expression recognition... piece of cake!
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00:43:45	scorche\|sh	and here is the man to do it!
00:43:55	Nico_P	after that we can turn it into an accelerometer
00:43:58	pixelma	bluebrother: do you mean the wide first colums, especially for "scroll back/ scroll forward" or the length of the table?
00:44:12	bluebrother	yes.
00:44:18	gevaerts	Actually, since some players have i2c on their dock connector, this ambient light sensor might be doable
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00:44:31	bluebrother	it makes the description somewhat unreadable
00:44:44	pixelma	bluebrother: yes, would be nice if thw width could be limited somehow
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00:44:58	bluebrother	but I think I have an acceptable solution now
00:45:16	pixelma	s/thw/the
00:45:35	bluebrother	hmm, I need to admit that I kinda like having a splash screen in rbutil
00:46:01	bluebrother	but no more on this as of today. Got work to do in a bunch of hours, should really go for sleep now.
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00:46:41	pixelma	same here, night
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02:34:01	Zieen_	Hi. I'm having some problems with rockbox utility identifying my player. Anyone around?
02:39:06	Zieen_	Hmm I suppose I'll just ask my question and hope someone pops in.
02:39:39	Zieen_	I have a Sansa e280 v1 (I assumed it's version 1, because I can put it into recovery mode). Rockbox won't autodetect it. Do I have to be in recovery mode to install rockbox?
02:40:47	advcomp2019	Zieen_, you have the sansa in msc or mtp mode or is it a e200r?
02:40:51	Zieen_	And can I dual boot with the automatic install
02:41:06	Zieen_	it's an e100 and its in recovery mode atm
02:41:28	Zieen_	I just put it into recovery. Didn't want to try and install right now because i wasn't sure if it was safe
02:41:49	Zieen_	restarting it now
02:41:51	advcomp2019	is it a e100 or e200?
02:41:56	Zieen_	e200
02:42:06	Zieen_	it's in mtp
02:42:15	Zieen_	do i want msc to install rockbox?
02:42:18	advcomp2019	use msc mode
02:42:22	Zieen_	ok thanks
02:42:30	Zieen_	and i can get dual boot through automatic installation, correct?
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02:43:24	advcomp2019	you will need to use dual boot till the usb support for the pp based players is out
02:43:45	Zieen_	ok. windows is demanding I restart. Thanks for the help
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02:58:54	Zieen_	Hi. I'm back with more problems
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03:00:05	Zieen_	Configuration autodetects my e200, but I have to specify the mount point manually. No problem. However, when I try to install the bootloader it says No Sansas found.
03:00:17	Zieen_	I'm in MSC mode currently. Do I have to be in recovery to install the bootloader?
03:00:26	advcomp2019	no
03:00:49	advcomp2019	what sansa firmware do you have on the sansa right now
03:01:02	Zieen_	nvm
03:01:06	Zieen_	I had to restart the rockbox utility lol
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03:26:00	Zieen_	How do you enable dual boot?
03:27:38	krazykit	the manual covers that.
03:27:40	advcomp2019	have you read the manual
03:27:42	Zieen_	hmm
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03:27:54	Zieen_	oh not the rockbox utility manual the normal one
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05:19:17	Davide-NYC	JdGordon: ping
05:19:24	JdGordon	pong
05:19:27	JdGordon	replying to the thread
05:19:34	Davide-NYC	recording screen has me salivating
05:19:36	JdGordon	and runnning out in a min
05:19:37	Davide-NYC	:-)
05:20:09	Davide-NYC	I'm going to go to Guitar Center (massive retailer) and check out the high end recording devices tomorrow (time permitting)
05:20:29	Davide-NYC	see if there is anything we're missing. I doubt it though.
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05:21:55	Davide-NYC	OMG it's very late. Good night. I'll respond to the thread tomorrow as promised.
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05:27:19	WeaponX	hiya
05:27:50	WeaponX	quick question, when updating to a newer version of rockbox, is there a way i can update without loosing my settings and stuff like game highscores?
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05:28:48	scorche	how are you currently updating?
05:29:09	WeaponX	well i was going to replace the .rockbox folder with a new one
05:29:10	WeaponX	XD
05:30:41	scorche	just extract over the folder as the manual says
05:31:07	WeaponX	but wont that delete all my previous settings, files, etc?
05:32:06	scorche	no
05:32:30	WeaponX	alrighty thanx
05:32:34	scorche	it will replace the same files that are in the zip
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06:03:53	echelon_	and in debugging, it said there was no fm radio hw found
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06:09:36	echelon_	but it's working now though
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08:12:54	amiconn	jhMikeS: Hmm, why is this explicit locking necessary?
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08:13:36	amiconn	disk_mount() accesses the card in the regular way
08:14:08	amiconn	And the unmount case doesn't touch the card at all...
08:21:50	jhMikeS	actually I need to step up and lock fat before that. I can also combine the two cases.
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08:22:56	jhMikeS	you also don't want the .initialized and .retry to be touched during access
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08:24:34	amiconn	What else would touch them?
08:25:10	amiconn	Also, what could cause SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED without an intermediate SYS_HOTSWAP_EXTRACTED?
08:26:29	jhMikeS	insert card, pull card, reinsert, within timeout duration...which I could make it do and lose the ability to mount the card permanently
08:27:44	amiconn	I'm asking because the Ondio handles hotswap exactly this way without any extra locking, and I've never seen any problems resulting from that
08:30:00	amiconn	Actually, it does one extra thing in the hotswap monitoring tick - it resets the 'initialized' flag on extract
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08:30:58	amiconn	That's an oversight from my side - the equvalent place would be the 'else' case in sd1_oneshot_callback()
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08:33:05	jhMikeS	my testing is rather abusive and proper unmount and sync ensure it always releases files mounts properly no matter what sequence happens
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08:43:24	*	amiconn also tried quite hard to make it fails, but didn't manage to do so even without those extra measures...
08:46:40	*	jhMikeS managed to kill it in about 30 seconds by deliberately producing certain sequences
08:47:30	LinusN	i assume that the race is about a thread using the disk while it is pulled, right?
08:48:27	amiconn	Hmm, weird
08:50:26	jhMikeS	LinusN: pulled or inserted
08:50:45	LinusN	how can the disk be used when it is inserted?
08:51:32	jhMikeS	do a resume on a file that resides on the SD card while having the insert timeout pending
08:52:28	jhMikeS	so, insert, resume, pull, insert
08:56:30	*	LinusN spots a coding guidelines violation: tCardInfo
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08:57:50	jhMikeS	hasn't that been there for ages?
08:58:26	Bagder	it sounds like a name used in a data sheet or similar
08:59:06	Bagder	(that sometimes makes rules violations more sensible)
08:59:38	LinusN	committed 8 months ago by a dude called jethead71 :-)
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09:00:05	Bagder	LinusN: did you send out the hit team yet?
09:00:12	jhMikeS	LinusN: Indeed. I just left it as is.
09:00:26	*	jhMikeS didn't name it
09:00:44	LinusN	Bagder: i told them to wait outside for my signal
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09:01:32	amiconn	Ahem, /me named it, back in 2004
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09:02:06	LinusN	it's good that it is prefixed by a "t", how else would i know that it is a type? :-P
09:04:54	amiconn	Dates back to the first working Ondio MMC driver...
09:05:29	jhMikeS	CamelCase is a capital crime ;)
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09:10:07	LinusN	amiconn: and you managed to escape the hitmen for al these years - impressive :-)
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09:17:23	amiconn	Shall I remove it?
09:18:09	LinusN	not that it'
09:18:12	amiconn	I think even the typedef ins't necessary, as that type is neither used in very many places, nor is it a function type
09:18:29	LinusN	s high prio, but it would be good if it was cleaned
09:18:50	amiconn	(with functions, not using a typedef can be a pita)
09:19:26	amiconn	I think just 'struct card_info' will do here
09:19:36	LinusN	sounds much nicer
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09:34:53	*	jhMikeS hates circular init depedencies (a card insert at the wrong time can make disk_mount be called before fat_init is called)
09:41:04	amiconn	You mean at boot?
09:41:27	jhMikeS	yes
09:41:40	jhMikeS	unlikely but p