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#rockbox log for 2008-03-13

00:00:32DerekReadI have an .fmr file for my region and would like to place it on the wiki. I would also like to contribute to the help. Who do I ask for write permission?
00:00:42Bagderamiconn: cool!
00:01:25amiconnI first thought I made a mistake in the hardware dependent part... turned out that I goofed in the main/remote lcd unification work...
00:01:52amiconnThis resulted in uninitialised foreground+background patterns, i.e. white on white
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00:03:17 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
00:03:39gevaertsDerekRead: you're in the right place. Is DerekRead also your wiki name ?
00:04:35DerekReadYes, same name on the wiki
00:05:06*gevaerts tries adding a wiki user for the first time
00:06:10gevaertsDerekRead: You should have write permission now (unless I did something wrong). Welcome!
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00:17:55DerekReadgevaerts: Thanks. Logged in, uploaded my .fmr file and made some changes to /twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsAmerica. Took a minute to figure out the wiki format, but I think I got it.
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00:25:03saratogathe ServerWiki page says it needs SSH "allowing user 'rbclient' to login using a public key"
00:25:06saratogawhat does this mean?
00:25:12saratoga(specifically a public key)
00:26:05Diggin_onCan anybody here tell me where I can find the experimental rockbox build by Kosh?
00:26:41saratogaDiggin_on: unsupported builds aren't supported here
00:26:56LloreanDiggin_on: This is really a channel for official Rockbox. If it's not in the unsupported builds portion of our forums, we aren't going to know about it.
00:27:13scorche|shand if it is, we arent going to talk about it
00:27:35LloreanWell, we'll point you to it, and say "ask questions there" :-P
00:27:46LloreanWe won't pretend like it doesn't exist or anything. :)
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00:29:38Diggin_onWhat's so bad about this build? I did not know that I should not use it!
00:29:53scorche|shwe never said you shouldnt use it...we just said it sint supported by us
00:30:04scorche|shs/sint/isnt
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00:31:16Diggin_onI do not know what the difference to the official build is! I really love rockbox! It's one of the greatest open source things I've ever seen!
00:31:37saratogathe difference is you can ask about the official build on here and the forums
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00:32:15soapThe logistical nightmare of trying to support Joe Blow's build #4523 is the reason they aren't supported in official channels.
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00:32:32soapWho knows exactly what Joe has done, or how he has done it?
00:32:46*gevaerts hopes Joe knows
00:32:54Diggin_onOK, so I will use the official build! Is it planned to improve the recording sreen?
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00:33:37soapAhh - if the build involves recording I ASSume there is a forum thread on it at the MysticRiver forums.
00:33:41scorche|shi believe a dev is looking at it, yes
00:33:55soap(because I ASSume it is an iRiver build)
00:34:02exohello there everybody.. can anyone tell me if there is a solution to install rockbox on my Tatung Elio Tpj-1022 ? im not sure becouse i found threads saing it isnts possible, but also builds inside the CVS :(
00:34:22scorche|shexo: all the devices rockbox runs on are listed on the front page
00:34:38scorche|shand we havent used CVS for a while now (we use SVN now ;)
00:34:44exooh ok
00:34:53exotoo bad ...there it isnt ....damn player :)
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00:35:25scorche|shfeel free to port it yourself :)
00:36:01exohehe yes i could try... but anyway thank you
00:36:33Diggin_onYes it's an Iriver build! I like this player very much, because it has all the features I searched for when I tried to find my optimal mp3 player!
00:36:51Diggin_onIs the Recording Enhancement Pack a official thing?
00:36:56scorche|shno
00:37:05scorche|shand i dont think anyone has worked on it for a while
00:37:23Diggin_onYes that's right!
00:38:04Diggin_onI used it a few month ago with an old rockbox build and I liked the look of the recording screen.
00:38:14*gevaerts expects that at the current rate, the M3 port will be done by morning
00:38:20amiconnhaha
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00:38:51Diggin_onWhat changes are planned for the recording screen?
00:39:12gevaertsDiggin_on: have a look at the forums. There is a thread about it there.
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00:39:49Diggin_onOK, thanks!
00:40:13Diggin_on@gevaerts: Are you an official rockbox programmer?
00:41:14amiconnBagder: You could add an M3 bootloader to the table, if we can live with one warning for a while...
00:41:20scorche|shDiggin_on: you can identify people who are "official" by looking at their cloak (type /whois name)
00:41:42gevaertsDiggin_on: yes, since about three weeks
00:41:55amiconnThe bootloader does what it should, apart from button detection (ADC is missing, hence no buttonas apart from main & remote Play work, plus main Hold)
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00:43:48Diggin_onIs it planned to support Irivers USB host mode?
00:43:53esotericWispBoo
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00:48:37*gevaerts is now officially going to sleep
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00:49:31esotericWispthe golden quotes section is really funny, even that pic!
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00:52:55esotericWispIts mee!!!
00:53:01esotericWispmy pic
00:53:05esotericWispits cool
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00:56:37Zae87ciA
00:56:50Zae87ciao c' qualcuno di italiano?
00:58:27krazykitZae87: this is an english-speaking support channel
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01:09:47ryrananyone know if gevaerts is aware that usb charging (ipod 5g here) causes the cpu to stay boosted for the duration the cable is plugged in?
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01:18:31ryranwell.. in the unlikely event I'm the first person to notice this and someone comes back and reads it later: with r16647, plugging in my 5g ipod via usb to a car-charger, wall-wart, or pc (holding down menu) during playback or with playback paused or stopped, boosts the cpu. it stays boosted until you unplug the cable.
01:21:25ryranI guess everyone really is asleep...
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01:24:28scorche|shryran: i think this is on purpose to speed up transfers
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01:26:16amiconnscorche: while charging??
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01:26:56ryranscorche|sh: I figured that's WHY the behaviour has been changed, but atm it's a bug−−you don't want the cpu running more when charging than it would be if you were playing music... it's crazy.
01:27:07scorche|shah...as in not with USB connection...gotcha
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01:38:52GrooveStixhello people
01:39:23GrooveStixI was wondering, is there a way to customize what is cataloged in the (music) database ?
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01:40:32GrooveStix(as in, how could I customize Rockbox to scan only the folders that I want to catalog?)
01:41:42midgeyfolders containing a file called database.ignore won't be added to the database
01:42:40GrooveStixoh awesome! so I can edit it in Notepad right?
01:42:51GrooveStixin windows, that is
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01:43:19midgeyso lets say you have a folder called "Misc" on your player
01:43:43midgeycreate a file in "Misc" called database.ignore and it will be ignored
01:43:56midgeyit can be an empty file, a renamed text file, etc
01:43:59GrooveStixOhhh! just en emp...
01:44:14GrooveStixI see, thanks a lot!
01:44:17midgeyyou don't create a list of ignored folders in database.ignore
01:44:34GrooveStixright, that's what I thought you were saying
01:44:37GrooveStixat first
01:45:11midgeyyeah, i just wanted to clarify :)
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01:47:05GrooveStixvery nice, I find the database browser much better, but I have many random individual songs that just clutter it... I tend to collect full albums instead of individual songs...
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01:48:36|NSA|i think i killed my sansa. i had a dirctory which couldnt be deleted, so i uninstalled rockbox, but now when i try to start it up, it gets stick in "refeeshing database" in the original firmware. is the player now dead forever or is there a way to fix it?
01:49:05linuxstb__|NSA|: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
01:49:23|NSA|does it matter if its a c2400?
01:49:27|NSA|*240
01:50:52linuxstb__No. The program is called e200tool, but it works on the c200s as well.
01:52:08linuxstb__(although you probably don't even need e200tool..._
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01:53:22GrooveStixoh crap! I was about to ask him something
01:53:24GrooveStix:(
01:55:40GrooveStixanyway, I was trying to ask this at #ubuntu but since nobody replied I'll ask here... Is there a way to submit the hardware configuration of my laptop to somebody that in turn will provide a better driver support for me and other users?
01:56:43GrooveStix(sorry for the offtopicness)
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02:01:27krazykitGrooveStix: this is an on-topic channel, so please take off-topic channel elsewhere, even if they don't reply.
02:03:11GrooveStixalright alright, at least I am not interfering with anyone...
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02:09:14|NSA|i tried that unbrocking thing. it still gets stuck on "refresh databse"
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02:19:52alphanumericis anyone online?
02:20:57advcomp2019alphanumeric, yea, but you can just say what you need
02:20:58scorcheonly 119 of us
02:21:28alphanumericsorry, i just figured it out. it was a database.ignore question.
02:21:54alphanumericI'm relatively new to IRC (I use chatzilla), so I'm not sure what all the icons mean
02:22:40alphanumericif database.ignore is set to a hidden file (on Windows), will rockbox still see it?
02:23:00scorchedepending on your viewmode, yes
02:23:29scorchedatabase.ignore is just for the databse...has not effect on the file browser
02:23:33scorches/not/no
02:24:02alphanumericso if I rebuild, rockbox will look for database.ignore even if it's marked as hidden?
02:25:17|NSA|i managed to unbrock it. but back to what started this. i have a directory that I cannot delete
02:25:51|NSA|*unbrick
02:26:16alphanumericNSA, if you're on windows, do a chkdsk /f on mass storage mode
02:27:08|NSA|whats /f?
02:27:25|NSA|fix?
02:28:04alphanumericyeah, fixes errors. you know how to do a chkdsk?
02:28:44|NSA|yeah
02:28:50|NSA|it fixed the problem. thanks.
02:29:03alphanumericsure, no problem. I've had similar problems before.
02:29:58|NSA|if only i asked here first instead of doing random stuff which caused me to mess up the firmware and bootloader and wasted half an hour fixing that only to come back here, run a 3 minute chkdisk whiuch fixed it
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02:34:17alphanumericdid you try to format it first or something?
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02:44:18|NSA|no
02:44:31|NSA|it says rockbox isnt found
02:44:56|NSA|even though i installed it the same way as last time using the rbquitil
02:46:41|NSA|hmm. an old .rockbox file was interfering
02:47:24|NSA|now to set up all the settings again
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02:57:35Beta2KAnyone want to check out a schematic/board I drew up for the Gigabeat F's serial/JTAG port?
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03:09:38Beta2KAlso, anyone around that can add give my wiki user write access?
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03:19:19Beta2KGood evening toffe82 :)
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03:38:50soapwhat is your Wiki Name?
03:39:37soapJasonStahls I assume?
03:40:59soapI love how the Firefox spellchecker just gives up after JosephBreihan - must be too many "misspelled" words for it to handle.
03:41:14soapBeta2K ^^
03:41:54Beta2KYes it is
03:44:29soapDo you swear on the ghost of Hagbard Celine that you are not a spammer and will only use your wiki powers for good?
03:45:42Beta2KI do
03:45:55soapI added you.
03:46:02Beta2KHehehe
03:46:11Beta2KNo "raise your right hand" ?
03:46:33soapI didn't want to be presumptive and assume you had one.
03:52:35Beta2Khehehe :)
03:54:20Beta2KThanks for the help soap :)
03:54:58kkurbjundoes anyone know of an example of $(or in a a make file or how to properly use it?
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04:31:37Davide-NYCJdGordon: Sorry about the post editing, I was trying to put all of my thoughts in one place.
04:34:37Davide-NYCMaybe I should make a wiki page? Or will that just add to the confusion?
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04:45:50Davide-NYCJdGordon: The thread has been fixed to be much more legible. (I hope)
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05:25:02luchadorany video capability for 80gig ipod vids yet
05:25:13luchadorhavent updated my rockbox in a while
05:27:12scorchehave you checked the MajorChanges wiki page?
05:28:03luchadori just got on irc
05:28:52scorchethen perhaps you should read the guidelines linked in the topic if this is your first time
05:30:11luchadorits not my first time
05:30:13luchadorsorry champ
05:30:29luchadorfigured this was a place where people could openly ask questions to people who might be willing to openly give help
05:31:06scorcheyes...and i gave you the name of a wiki page where you can see all of the "Major Changes" since you last updated...
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05:32:42luchadorwhy cant you just answer a yes or no question broski
05:33:05LloreanBecause we prefer to teach a man to fish.
05:33:46luchadorlmao
05:34:02alienbiker99maybe you should read the rules for this channel
05:34:42luchadorits most likely reasons like this
05:34:46luchadorthat no one knows about rockbox
05:34:56luchadorim not a dumbass
05:35:02luchadorobviously if i wanted to check the wiki i could
05:35:11luchadorbut since i was on freenode i decided to ask a yes or no question to save some time
05:35:12alienbiker99its for reasons like not using abreviations
05:35:20luchadorthinking maybe the people from rockbox would be cool enough
05:35:42luchadornot using abreviations?
05:35:53luchadortheres a page talking about irc abreviations on the site
05:35:55luchadorbtw
05:36:13LloreanWe ask that you use real words where possible, if it represents things you can find in a dictionary
05:36:19LloreanSince they pose problems for translation software.
05:36:43luchadoryou clearly understand me
05:36:48luchadoror you wouldnt be communicating with me
05:37:12scorchelots of people read the logs and use screen readers here...they might not
05:37:21LloreanThe fact that I understand you has nothing to do with the guideline. We ask that you avoid things like "lmao" and "btw" in general.
05:37:46scorchethis channel has guidelines for a reason...if you are not willing to bother to follow them, then why should we answer your questions?
05:38:43luchadorits a yes or no question scorche
05:38:45luchadori come in here and ask it
05:38:52luchadorand you give me a ridiculous answer
05:38:56luchadoris all im going at
05:38:59Lloreanluchador: This channel is primarily for technical discussion and real support infos. We ask that people follow the guidelines and not fill up the logs with requests for things in the manual, because otherwise the logs would be significantly less readable.
05:39:09luchadorif it was something complicated i could understand you telling me to go read up
05:39:20LloreanIf everyone asked every yes/no question they had about Rockbox, this room would be a lot noisier and simultaneously a lot less useful
05:39:22scorchehow is telling you a place where you can find all the major updates "rediculous"?
05:39:50luchador"ridiculous"
05:39:56luchadorwell
05:40:02luchadoryou could answer yes.. or no
05:40:07luchadorinstead of leading onto this convo correct?
05:40:18luchadorin order to keep minimal log length right llorean?
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05:40:35Lloreanluchador: How do we know you won't just do it again in the future.
05:40:46Lloreantelling you the rules will be enforced keeps it from happening again, most times.
05:40:54luchadorso if i answer another yes or no question in four months
05:40:56luchadorits a problem?
05:41:03luchadorever heard of something called ubuntu?
05:41:03scorchethen in order to keep minimal log length, are you willing to abide by the channel guidelines or not?
05:41:06LloreanThen again, most people have the common courtesy to say "Oh, I didn't read the rules and realize they were enforced. Sorry for being ignorant and violating them. I won't do so in the future."
05:41:14luchadordo you think they got popular by being female dogs to anyone who asks a simple question
05:41:33Lloreanluchador: Will you follow the rules: Yes/No?
05:41:43luchadorYes I will follow the rules
05:41:55luchadorI don't see why you all are being so immature about this all though
05:41:58luchadorit was a simple question
05:42:07LloreanAnd we gave you a simple answer, to which you gave complaint.
05:42:07luchadoryou could have simply stated the answer with a statement about the rules
05:42:10luchadorasking me to obey them for the future
05:42:11scorcheand i answered it with a place where you can find out more
05:42:15Beta2KIt's not immaturity
05:42:44luchadorwhy not say "no, this project has gone no where in the past year. but for your future information luchador please obey the rules etc etc"
05:42:47Beta2KThink of this, if you got asked simple yes/no questions day in and day out knowing it was involation of the channel rules, don't you think you'd get tired of it? :)
05:42:59luchadori wouldnt get tired of it
05:43:07luchadorbecause in the end i know it helps a free project spread
05:43:21luchadorbut i guess i could be like you guys and chase away everyone
05:43:31luchadorso practically no one knows about the project that they spend their lives on
05:43:39LloreanMost people actually respond "I didn't know it was so well documented, thanks" rather than getting pissy.
05:44:06luchadorWell he didn't link me
05:44:09luchadorhe simply got mad
05:44:17luchadorLlorean: you dont understand what im saying here
05:44:26Lloreanluchador: I saw what he said, I don't see it as mad.
05:44:26luchadorthe fact is you people are not very social
05:44:32LloreanHe asked if you'd checked the MajorChanges wiki page.
05:44:34scorchei didnt get mad...i asked if you had seen the relevant wiki page
05:44:36luchadori didnt say it was mad
05:44:46LloreanYou said he got mad.
05:44:49alienbiker99is it that hard to look it up in the wiki? it would have taken a minute
05:44:50luchadori typed it.
05:44:53LloreanFine
05:44:56LloreanYou typed he got mad.
05:44:56luchadornot really
05:45:00luchadorif i was already on freenode
05:45:05luchadorwhats the big deal with asking a question
05:45:13scorchethere isnt
05:45:17luchadorperhaps you all should get some better social skills
05:45:21luchadorthen why not answer it scorche
05:45:21LloreanBut the big deal is that you didn't accept the answer you were given.
05:45:26scorchethe issue comes when you make no effort yourself to see about finding the answer
05:45:31luchadorbecause he didnt give me an answer
05:45:35luchadorhe could have told me yes, or no
05:45:36LloreanHe told you exactly where it was.
05:45:42luchadorno he didnt
05:45:44scorchei told you *exactly* where to find that and more
05:45:46LloreanYes, he did.
05:45:53luchadorNo, he didn't
05:45:54Lloreanluchador: He said the MajorChanges wiki page.
05:46:03LloreanThat is *exactly* where it is.
05:46:07luchadorOkay
05:46:10luchadormake me load up firefox
05:46:10LloreanIf you go to the Wiki, and type in that page name, you'll find the info.
05:46:17luchadorgoto the unorganized webpage
05:46:18luchadorand look it up
05:46:29LloreanYes.
05:46:36luchadorwhen you could just be social
05:46:41luchadorand give me the answer
05:46:42LloreanThis isn't a social channel.
05:46:58luchadorLlorean: let me ask you something
05:47:00luchadorwhat is rockbox
05:47:11alienbiker99thats on the wiki too =)
05:47:21luchadorits an open source project correct?
05:47:24scorcheand on the front page ;)
05:47:30luchadorhow do open source projects spread?
05:47:35luchadorbasically by word of mouth
05:47:44luchadorif people act like bundles of sticks
05:47:47alienbiker99via spy sattelies
05:47:47luchadorthen project doesnt spread
05:48:27luchadoryou guys dont really get it
05:48:38luchadorlook at a well known open source project
05:48:43luchadori used ubuntu as an example earlier
05:48:49scorchei do all the time
05:48:52Lloreanluchador: Please, take this to the social channel if you're going to get preachy
05:48:57LloreanSince it's not really relevant to this channel.
05:49:00luchadorwhat might that channel be?
05:49:05LloreanLook at the channel topic
05:49:06LloreanAgain
05:49:06luchadoror shall i go look it up on the wiki
05:49:14scorcheluchador: many bigger open source channels are much stricter than we are...
05:49:23luchadornot at all scorch
05:49:26luchador#ubuntu please
05:49:35scorcheok...so you give me one example
05:49:45luchadorwant to watch me ask a question in there?
05:49:51luchadorthink theyre going to make me go look at a wiki
05:49:53LloreanPlease, stopl.
05:50:02LloreanThis doesn't belong in this channel any more
05:50:02luchadorhey btw lets look at how many people are in there scorche
05:50:09LloreanYou said you'd abide by the rules, so live up to your words.
05:50:13luchadorOh wow, 1183.
05:50:21luchadorBecause they are willing to help people
05:50:24scorcheluchador: if you want to talk more about this, come into the social channel
05:50:25luchadorregardless of the question
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06:39:40luchadoranyways, thanks for not answering a yes or no question because youre simply upset over the fact that you cant get something to work on an ipod video
06:39:45luchadorget some real developers on this project
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06:40:10Beta2KGet us the cip docs and we'll make it work
06:40:15Beta2Kchip
06:40:57Beta2Kactually I tried to con the local distributor out of the docs...
06:41:11Beta2KThey haven't called me back yet...
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07:16:51scorchemapiasal: you might want to have a look at the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
07:17:16scorchepatches must be compiled in
07:17:34mapiasalah ok thanks
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09:17:01Casainhocan anyone please explain to me how can I code and have my code online, on the SNV of RB?
09:17:15CasainhoI am new to this tecnologies
09:18:46*amiconn just got an idea how it might be possible to significantly reduce, if not remove, the remote lcd ticking on the irivers without throttling the transfers a lot (which is what the current reduction method uses)
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09:20:00amiconnThe transfers would be a bit slower than right now, about 33%
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09:26:20linuxstb_Casainho: You write code, create patches, put them on the patch tracker, and if they are OK, then developers with SVN access will commit them. After a while you may be invited to get SVN access yourself so you can commit changes directly.
09:27:12linuxstb_amiconn: Does your viewport fix in the 2bit-vi driver fix the colour issue you reported in lists on the X5 remote?
09:28:30amiconnyes
09:29:04Casainholinuxstb_: okok, thanks. I just have one question about - I will be working on a port that just me and other developer have the hardware, none of us have SVN access, so, how will someone with SVN access test the code?
09:30:02linuxstb_Casainho: They can't. But they can read the code, and make sure it complies with the coding guidelines, and that it looks OK.
09:30:43Casainholinuxstb_: okok, seems ok to me :-) :-) - thank you :-)
09:30:53linuxstb_But people working on new ports are normally given SVN access quite quickly, once they show their code is OK.
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09:38:24linuxstb_Bagder: Could you move this file to the download server? barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg">http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg -> http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/
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09:54:32linuxstb_amiconn: How big is your ipod 1st gen disk? Someone in the forum is looking for a "4.5ish GB" MBR to convert a HFS ipod.
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10:48:13amiconnlinuxstb: 10GB, taken from my extra 2nd Gen. The original 5GB disk was broken.
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10:51:07linuxstbamiconn: OK, thanks anyway.
10:53:13*gevaerts just installed rockbox on his new h320
10:54:05markungevaerts: are you buying all supported rockbox targets?
10:54:39gevaertsI'm going to slow down now ;)
10:54:51markunwhich do you have now?
10:55:23gevaertssansa c250, ipod 5G 30GB, gigabeat f20 and h320
10:55:57markunand soon a Meizu M6 to help with the port? ;)
10:56:25Bagderranyone seen if the sansa fuze is another ams ?
10:58:15*amiconn would be more interested in the Sansa express
10:58:38Bagderris that even around still?
10:58:43gevaertsmarkun: is that this one : http://www.mp3shop.be/product/32594/dane-elec-meizu-miniplayer-4-gb-black.html ?
10:59:08markungevaerts: yes
10:59:51*gevaerts is tempted
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11:00:17markunThe firmware supports many codecs and is MCS, so the need for rockbox is actually not so big
11:00:41markungevaerts: the M6SP is a bit different inside and would also be nice to support
11:00:57markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port
11:01:04markuneh. SL
11:01:10markunthe one you linked to is the SP
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11:03:18markungevaerts: I don't have my Meizu yet, but I feer the UDA1380 will be as noisy as the one in my iriver h120
11:05:03BagderrJdGordon: not right now, no...
11:05:16JdGordonok
11:05:48gevaertsmarkun: Which one will you get ? Is it easy to get a SL (and how do you see the difference) ? It probably makes some sense to buy different ones to be able to do the port to both.
11:06:21markunmine is the SP, which is 10mm thick. The SL only 7.
11:06:36markunI think that's the most obvious physical difference
11:07:13*gevaerts guesses there will be differences in weight and battery life.
11:07:15markunbut I don't think that Dane-Elec sells the SL version here.
11:14:30*Bagderr might get involved in a work project based on an at91sam9 mcu
11:14:43Bagderrquite similar to the "rockbox player" one
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11:21:58linuxstbBagderr: When you have a moment, could you move this file to the download server? barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg">http://download.barrywardell.net/rockbox/e200rpatcher.dmg -> http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/
11:22:30Bagderrright, I'll get it done in a few hours
11:24:12linuxstbThanks
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11:35:19BagderrJdGordon: yes please do!
11:35:28JdGordonrighto
11:57:29*JdGordon wonders if anyone would mind me breaking the silence with some dev talk :p
11:57:32JdGordonlinuxstb: you round?
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13:22:27scev0laHello everybody!
13:23:15scev0lacan someone tell me, what's current progress on decrypting E10 firmware?
13:24:03Bagderthere's no "current" there I think
13:24:38scev0lai've read this^
13:24:40scev0la−− OlleBergkvist - 11 May 2007: I have tried the ifp_decode program, and it seems to success on my E10 firmware ver 1.04. I have a lot of promising text strings in the decrypted file.
13:25:09Bagder11 May 2007 is hardly current
13:25:29scev0labut it seems to me that ifp and e10 firmwares are _very_ different in structure
13:26:09scev0laexactly! that's why I'm asking..
13:26:54Bagderand I answered
13:27:47scev0latoo bad
13:27:53Bagderthere just doesn't seem to be anyone interested in working on the e10
13:28:16scev0lawell I am :)
13:28:38markunscev0la: we're working on a port for the Meizu M6 which has the same CPU has the E10
13:28:54Bagderscev0la: then get into it, and invite e10 friends to help out
13:28:56markunI'll take a look to see if the firmwares are similar as well
13:29:07Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info
13:29:47scev0laBagder: been there already
13:30:37markunscev0la: the strings are very similar to the Meizu firmware, which is based on the demo firmware by Samsung which uses uCos/II
13:31:17markunscev0la: do you know if there is an option to enter DFU firmware recovery mode in the E10?
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13:32:13scev0la<markun> : no.. just wanted to ask, is there any other way to upload any ARM code into E10
13:32:50markunwell, there is for the Meizu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuM6Port#Recovery_mode
13:34:27markunI think it's part of the Samsung demo firmware, so it could be available in the E10 as well
13:34:33markunjust need to find the right key combo :)
13:35:56scev0laI'll try some fancy combos right now
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13:42:13markunscev0la: one of the strings from the E10 firmware: "Emergency USB" :)
13:42:55scev0la<markun> : yeah, I know, I've seen screenshots somewhere on the net
13:43:34markunseems to happen after a bad firmware update..
13:44:00markunnot sure if that's DFU mode though
13:44:04scev0laor some kind of internal error
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14:24:50BuschelGPO's can be switched on like this: GPOC1 = 0x07 (GPO0 = on) or GPOC1 = 0x70 (GPO1 = on). If set to "on" both GPO's output the voltage IOVDD which is set via IOREGC (by default configured to 3.3V)
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14:44:26gevaertsBuschel: those don't seem to make a difference. I also tried setting D1REGC1 and D3REGC1 to their default values ()
14:45:09gevaerts(I think the EDM leaves those at default, from my measurements), but no difference there either
14:46:44Buschelall 4 ones do not make any difference? disappointing :/
14:48:26gevaertsI haven't tried them all at the same time yet. I did D1REGC1+D3REGC1 at lunchtime, and GPOC1=0x77+LPREGC1 now. I'll try combining everything tonight
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14:52:53BuschelI am starting to think that it may not be solved through PCF-configuration...
14:54:08gevaertsYes. It looks like someone with fluent arm-reading skills will have to go through the/an OF
14:55:54*gevaerts hoped to avoid that. Those people are aleady overloaded
14:56:27*amiconn already digged in the diskmode code, and found nothing obvious
14:57:38Buschelno changes in the PP's GPIO/GPO32?
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15:00:52gevaertss/clocked/clocked in the OF/
15:02:38Buschelgevearts: a few days ago you've asked for the 60MHz configuration. could you test it?
15:08:34gevaertsBuschel: I did try to test it, and it didn't work, but maybe I did something wrong
15:09:46Buschelgevaerts: the target didn't start at all, or the USB didn't work with it?
15:10:02gevaertsUSB didn't work properly
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15:47:01LambdaCalculus37markun: Haven't heard anything of it being encrypted.
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15:50:05LambdaCalculus37markun: According to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonD2Info#Firmware_Upgrade, the Telchips firmware is in a standard Telechips "Dual-CRC" format.
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15:50:17LambdaCalculus37More here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TelechipsInfo
15:50:40markunLambdaCalculus37: I was hoping the clix2 firmware was encrypted the same way
15:50:48markunso it isn't
15:57:21LambdaCalculus37markun: shotofadds just confirmed on the CowonD2Info page that the firmware files are unencrypted.
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16:00:27markunLambdaCalculus37: ok, too bad then
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16:07:28markunLambdaCalculus37: the clix2 has a nice amoled screen
16:09:04LambdaCalculus37Oooh... nice! :)
16:10:24*LambdaCalculus37 sees that the Clix2 wiki page is very bare
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16:44:41*gevaerts notes that lwn talked a bit about rockbox yesterday. Subscriber only for now, it should be generally avaliable in a week or so
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16:53:32gevaerts"Your editor, meanwhile, still lugs around his ancient iRiver H340. People look at it strangely, as if they expect there to be a hatch on the back so that the user can occasionally add another shovel full of coal. But it works beautifully with Rockbox"
16:53:56Nico_Pgevaerts: what article is that in?
16:54:03Nico_Pthe weekly edition?
16:54:51gevaertsYes. In the "Front" section. The bit about MP3 players
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18:58:23linuxstb_amiconn: Do you have any ideas about the problems this person is having with his 1st gen ipod? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15929.0 (scroll down to his later comments)
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19:18:19disorganizerhi, i ve got a problem with the latest rev of rockbox: when running the sim (sansae200) and then select a mp3 file, i get a segfault. gdb says: cannot find user-level thread for LWP 27457: noLWP to satisfy query. before that it says "open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/database_idx.tcd'
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19:20:36disorganizeroh, and it doesnt matter which file it tires to open. it also happens when the last file opened is a mp3
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19:37:32amiconnlinuxstb: I can't tell much without having access to such a unit
19:38:07amiconnHowever, there are several hardware revisions of the 1st Gen, maybe that one needs a different default contrast, and/or different voltage calibration
19:38:58amiconnIt probably makes sense to disable low-bat shutdown for 1st/2nd Gen until we have proper suspend. An endless reboot cycle does certainly no good when the battery is low...
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19:40:12amiconnMy 1st Gen is a 0x00010001
19:42:27ryrangevaerts still here?
19:43:00bblackdisorganizer: compiling right now to check
19:44:24gevaertsryran: yes. (And yes, I now about the boosting...)
19:44:44ryranah wow.
19:44:46ryrannice. ;)
19:46:19gevaertsIt currently seems to be needed to make high speed work. I'll do some experiments tonight to see if it's needed for full speed (which is all we need for charging), and if not, disable it for that case.
19:46:44gevaertss/now/know/ two lines up...
19:47:00bblackdisorganizer: it works fine here; maybe you can tell us more so we can reproduce it
19:47:59ryranhehe. no spell nazis here. I figured you were aware .. I just wanted to make sure since I hadn't seen any mention of it anywhere yet. good to know.
19:48:13disorganizer@ bblack : working with the vmware dev-image .
19:48:25amiconngevaerts: Is it possible for an usb connection to switch between highspeed and fullspeed on the fly?
19:48:32disorganizer@ bblack: i try downloading a fresh copy now to ensure my svn isnt corrupted. stay tuned
19:50:12gevaertsamiconn: not while staying connected. You'd have to disconnect and re-enumerate. Is it the boosting you're worried about ?
19:50:38amiconnI'm not worried about it, but it seems like a waste if we're just charging
19:52:57amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, I have a theory about the PP5002 crashes when going to sleep at xxxxxx0
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19:53:59quaalwhere is this update now option for the database
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19:54:04quaalmanual just says to do it but doesnt say where
19:54:30amiconnIt's in 2 places. The more convenient one is the database's context menu
19:54:59gevaertsI agree. If I remember correctly (it's a few weeks ago) without boosting short usb packets do actually work, but full 512-byte packets don't. If this is true (and reliable) we only would need boosting during actual usb-storage activity (i.e. once you "eject" the drive we can unboost). Testing this _might_ give some clues about the other problem as well (i.e. do we need boosting for both directions?)
19:55:01quaali guess that isnt in "database" from the main menu
19:55:43linuxstb_quaal: What device are you running Rockbox on?
19:55:54quaallinuxstb, ipood video
19:56:05amiconngevaerts: Actually, the other problem might be what makes highspeed not work when not boosted
19:56:34amiconnlinuxstb: I just disabled low-bat shutdown for 1st/2nd Gen
19:56:37linuxstb_quaal: Then press and hold the select (centre) button on the Database option in the main menu.
19:56:49quaaloh.
19:56:52quaalthanks
19:57:02linuxstb_amiconn: Sounds sensible. So you think (know?) that the different 1g ipods have different hw revision numbers?
19:57:13gevaertsamiconn: Indeed. That's why I asked earlier if someone knows at what CPU speed the OF runs wile connected
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19:59:46amiconnlinuxstb: Yes. The ROM code sometimes checks for the various hardware revisions explicitly. Iirc, there are at least 0x00010001, 0x00010002 and 0x00010003
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20:00:07linuxstb_Does the diag mode show that?
20:00:19amiconnumm, lemme check
20:02:49quaaluhh
20:02:51quaalrockbox just froze
20:03:03quaalgod damn
20:03:17quaalthis is alot of bullshit just to have a device that acts like a removable drive
20:03:25quaali hate apple
20:03:48amiconnBah, jdgordon.info seems to be broken
20:04:20amiconnlinuxstb: I can't find the HW revision in diag
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20:04:33amiconnRockbox shows it though, under "View HW Info"
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20:10:01amiconnlinuxstb: Umm, make those revisions 0x00010000, 0x00010001 and 0x00010002
20:10:25amiconn(i.e. the c in 'iirc' didn't apply)
20:10:32quaalis there no easy way to just play a directory
20:10:41quaalit keeps taking me to the current playlist
20:10:44quaalinstead of just playing it
20:10:46quaalwhen i press play
20:11:18Domonokyquaal: long press on the directory, to get the contex menu.. the choose insert..
20:11:30disorganizer@ bblack : i downloaded a fresh copy and its there again.
20:11:51Domonokyor enter the dir, and play the first track (which will make a playlist out of all tracks in the dir)
20:12:02disorganizer@ bblack : what i did was: downloaded fresh copy on the vmware dev-system, then /tools/configure 50 s, then make, make install
20:12:29bblackdisorganizer: then??
20:12:35linuxstb_quaal: If you just press select on any file in a directory, Rockbox will create a playlist containing all tracks in that directory and start playing it. The "play" button is "resume playback"...
20:12:36disorganizer@ bblack : then i copied a mp3 dir to the archos directory, then started rockboxui, then selected a file from the mp3-dir, then segfault
20:12:58quaallinuxstb, in the files menu?
20:13:15quaali put some audiobooks in the "audiobooks" directory i created
20:13:21quaalapparently the database didnt find them
20:13:22linuxstb_quaal: Yes.
20:13:43disorganizeryes, files, IPK/Time to ignite/Itchy Poopzkid - Time to ignite.mp3 :-)
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20:13:55quaallinuxstb, if i press select on the directory it goes into the directory
20:14:12linuxstb_quaal: Re-read my message...
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20:14:43bblackdisorganizer: works here, maybe it's something with that specific mp3
20:15:05disorganizeri also tried to delete the aa, so it really seems to be the mp3. checking now
20:16:13quaallinuxstb, ok thanks
20:16:46disorganizer@ bblack : tried another mp3, same
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20:17:23disorganizer@ bblack : and all the mp3's i tried now are working on older copies of rb (and were used for testing for the last weeks without problems).
20:17:35disorganizercould it be that my dev-system is somehow corrupted
20:17:39disorganizer?
20:18:19Domonokydisorganizer: i would suspect that it crashes everytime you play anything, ie its your soundsystem in the vmware install .. :-)
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20:19:00disorganizer@ Domonoky : good point. checking
20:19:05quaalalso is there any way to make it so that i dont have to hold down the play button for 10 seconds
20:19:08quaalto turn the ipood off
20:19:19quaal2 or 3 seconds is sufficient
20:19:46Domonokyquaal: normal long play is stop on ipods i think...
20:20:03linuxstb_It should only be 2 or 3 seconds... You can let go as soon as you see the "shutting down" message.
20:20:26quaalyea, it takes like 8+ seconds
20:23:12disorganizer@ bblack , @ Domonoky : guess what it was
20:24:23*disorganizer accidentially deleted the virtual soundcard in the vm
20:24:58disorganizerpropably someone should add a check in rockboxui and just give an error or just shut up if no soundcard exists :-)
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20:54:57disorganizernite@all, and tnx @ bblack and Domonoky for the hints and help
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20:59:51gevaertsIt seems that jdgordon's mac is now the fastest build server. Zero seconds per build ! (a pity that they fail though)
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21:00:13scorche|sheh...its a mac mini...what do you expect? :P
21:02:03*gevaerts can't find a good answer to that
21:02:38Horschti expect _DS.STORE Files
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21:08:13gevaertsIt seems that boosting is needed for USB to work in both directions.
21:08:54*gevaerts hopes that the gigabeat S people will find out how to enable USB soon. That would provide lots of useful data
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21:16:16GnelikSansa e250,yesterdays build, mp3, 180-260bps
21:16:25Gnelikwhen changing track
21:16:37Gnelikseveral times
21:16:48Gnelikname in wps changes
21:16:55*bluebrother knows now when, but what?
21:17:24Gnelikbut it continue to play previous track
21:17:39Gnelikpause - resume helps
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21:18:04Gnelik?
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21:18:14Beta2KFlySpray it?
21:18:51Gnelikgood one
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21:19:53krazykitGnelik: try the current build and see if the issue persists.
21:20:18Gneliki have this isue for 2 or 3 month
21:20:34Gnelikdont think that something changed
21:20:38Gnelikyesterday
21:22:59krazykitif you're going to file a bug report, the rules state you need to test the absolute latest build.
21:25:22bluebrotheralso, you should check if there already is a task open about this.
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21:28:39toffe82Beta2K: I had a quic look at the schematic, looks nice
21:30:44toffe82Can I suggest to things : include a print odf a connector identical to the one of the gigabeat so if we found the connector we can use a flat cable to connect the two, you can include also a complete jtag, it is just a buffer and some resistor
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21:34:02rockomy ipod doesn't turn on anymore :(
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21:34:37rockowait.. now it says it's charging..
21:34:59bluebrotherreset it.
21:35:15bluebrotherand / or give it a large charge. Preferrably using a wall charger.
21:36:02Beta2Ktoffe82, Ok, it currently is pinned the same as the Gigabeat connector
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21:36:14Beta2KTho different pitch
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21:37:03Beta2KDo you have a site that details what to include for JTAG buffering?
21:38:38rockooh no :(
21:38:42Beta2K?
21:38:47rockowhen it turns on now, it's an ipod with x's for eyes
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21:41:23bluebrotherrocko: reset it.
21:41:37low_lightgevaerts: looking through the c200 disassembly, here's an interesting init sequence involving registers 0x70000028 and 0x70000060: http://rafb.net/p/sRn5GD20.html
21:41:45bluebrotherand charge it for quite a while. Ipod batteries can discharge quite a bit
21:41:52low_lightof course, I don't know what they are for ;)
21:43:46gevaertslow_light: magic of course ;)
21:45:00amiconnlow_light: I know this sequence from the mini's diskmode
21:45:09amiconnIt didn't help in my experiment
21:46:24amiconnmagic values aren#t uncommon when dealing with portalplayer
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21:48:37amiconnThere's e.g. one to unlock clock frequencies >66MHz on PP5002 and PP5020: Write 0xd19b to a certain register (different register between PP5002 and PP5020, but same value). This was removed in PP5022 and higher
21:49:16rockoit's the same thing bluebrother :(
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21:51:32*amiconn tried his idea to further reduce remote LCD ticking on H1x0
21:51:42amiconnIt actually did the opposite...
21:52:04gevaertsSo try the opposite ;)
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21:54:03toffe82Beta2K: here the jtag dongle : http://www.aesop-embedded.org/download.html
21:54:38gevaertslow_light: I'll try this sequence again just to be sure. I also have to try my C translation of the c200 sd dma code you put on FS... Not tonight though, I have to go in a few minutes
21:55:12bluebrotherrocko: charge it. I saw various "contact apple" screens on my mini, and in all cases it was possible recovering by a long charge and a reset sequence.
21:56:05xa0ceIs there anyone here working on the rockbox for gigabeat t-series? I noticed there pics of the hardware up for it
21:56:15bluebrotherand long charge means really long. At least overnight.
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21:57:55BagderJdGordon|zzz: your mac server doesn't seem to like to build sims...
21:58:16*Bagder disables that
21:58:55toffe82xa0ce: I take the picture
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22:00:28markuntoffe82: can you find out if the same trick to get code running on the Gigabeat S also works on the T?
22:00:35markunthe hardware is very similar, right?
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22:00:42toffe82xa0ce: there is no firmware available, I saw on the japanese site that they update by return to factory (for the t401)
22:02:26toffe82markun: it is the same hardware except for the usb
22:02:50linuxstb_markun: I read your comments about the Clix2 earlier - I would expect it to be hackable, even without cracking the OF encryption, _if_ there is an easy way to enter USB boot mode.
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22:03:22markunlinuxstb_: some feature of the telechips?
22:03:55xa0cetoffe82: what do you mean the update by return to the factory? if we return our t400 they will give us t401?!
22:04:54linuxstb_Yes, the telechips can either boot via USB (a recovery mode, but also very useful for development), or it boots by reading the firmware from NAND or NOR flash. This is a feature of a 4KB boot ROM in the telechips, so I doubt iriver have changed it - i.e. the firmware will be unencrypted in the NAND flash so it can be booted.
22:05:44linuxstb_linuxstb_: As it has the same CPU as the D2, once the flash driver and USB is working, we could upload code that read the firmware from flash and transferred it via USB (and vice-versa).
22:06:15*linuxstb_ wonders why he said that to himself...
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22:06:37toffe82xa0ce: no it is only for an update of the t401
22:07:38xa0cetoffe82: oh, ok. well, what is next for getting rockbox onto t400?
22:08:20toffe82find the firmware or a way to dump it
22:08:50xa0cethe current firmware?
22:08:54xa0cethat is already on it?
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22:09:33*shotofadds thinks about giving up on the D2 internal flash entirely and booting off the SD card :/
22:09:57toffe82xa0ce: yes
22:10:11toffe82or if you find it somewhere else :)
22:10:44xa0ceok I will look around for it... maybe we will get lucky and find it soon...
22:11:09linuxstb_shotofadds: How about trying to get USB working - so you can transfer an image of the flash to your PC?
22:11:15Beta2Ktoffe82, so you want the breakout to be the JTAG interface as well, not just bring the pins out for a seperate JTAG dongle?
22:11:53toffe82you can let the connector also so if somebody as a faster jtag interface he can use it
22:12:17Beta2KHum, guess I could do that
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22:12:45shotofaddslinuxstb: I don't know how much that will help. My problem is understanding why the OF sometimes decides to make the Logical->Physical translation table point to junk :(
22:12:55toffe82it is just if somebody want it, there is already everything to use it , if not you have to buy a jtag cable
22:13:26shotofaddsI'm getting reasonably good results by scanning the banks on startup and building a translation table myself - but not 100%
22:14:14Beta2KWelp I'll toss that together then :)
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22:15:52shotofaddseg. the bootloader can boot a rockbox.iaudio image from flash (and display the main menu now...) but sometimes it'll give a Bad Checksum error unless you boot the OF first to sort things out..
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22:16:48toffe82Beta2K: when I load the file it say it is missing the max-8.lib
22:18:23toffe82I have a standard install of kicad, no special library installed
22:19:02toffe82Beta2K: do you plan to build it yourself or find some company to make the circuit ?
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22:25:20sokitIs there any work been done towards hardware compatibility with iPod Nano 2nd and 3rd gen?
22:26:38Bagdersokit: nope
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22:26:51jac0bif anyone can help me out I am trying to mod my gigabeat from a 40GB thick drive to a thin 30GB but I have run into some trouble
22:27:12sokitAny reason or just lack of devs with hardware? I was under the impression there is some crypto preventing 3rd party firmware on the 2nd gen.
22:27:53jac0bdoes anyone if at bootup the gigabeat check the drive size to be correct?
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22:29:31sokitthanks anyway.. night.
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22:29:50linuxstb_jac0b: Nothing (either running our own code, or disassembling the Apple firmware to work out how the undocumented hardware works) can be done until the crypto is cracked.
22:29:59linuxstb_Argh, that was for the person who just left...
22:30:21linuxstb_jac0b: What do you mean by "the gigabeat" and "correct" ?
22:32:48jac0bgigabeat f series
22:34:00Beta2Ktoffe82, yes it should complain. Did the component show up anyways? It should have been contained in the .cache file
22:34:21toffe82hold on
22:34:59jac0bwhat I did was find a 30gb that is compatible with the gigabeat connections wise but when I connect it I get the "system error 00000020" error
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22:35:33linuxstb_jac0b: How did you prepare the disk? Did you partition it (creating a single partition), format it as FAT32, then copy a GBSYSTEM folder to it?
22:35:48toffe82Beta2K: yes it shows up , it is the max 233 ? or there is anothe one ?
22:35:57Beta2Kthe MAX233
22:36:24jac0bI even used the gigabeat format tool
22:36:25jac0bno luck
22:36:33jac0bthat is why I came in here to see if anyone had any insight on this
22:37:12toffe82jac0b: what is the problem exactly, it doens't boot , there is something on the screen ?
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22:38:20jac0bit gets about a quater of the way on the boot process then gives me the error "system error 00000020"
22:38:23jac0bbut if I do the gigabeat surgery I can access the drive fine
22:39:24toffe82you boot with the original firmware ?
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22:46:56jac0bhow do I create a fat32 partition in ubuntu
22:48:49jac0bnm I will do it on windows
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22:54:26toffe82the gbsystem you install is the same version as the one of the old drive ?
22:54:59toffe82try here : http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=60C59AFD-3048-2906-EA564236B271D94E
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22:59:08kkurbjunBeta2K: what schematics are you working on?
22:59:29markunjac0b: or try the dummy gbsystem
22:59:30Beta2KA breakout for the Gigabeat debug connector
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22:59:57kkurbjunhow do you mean by a breakout? Like a level translator?
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23:00:18Beta2KCurrently it has a max233 for level shift and brings the JTAG to a standard 20pin connector
23:00:26jac0bmarkun: whats the dummy gbsystem
23:00:37Beta2Ktoffe82 has sujested including a simple parallel JTAG interface as well
23:00:46kkurbjunoh, gotcha
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23:01:00Beta2Kthat's what I'm adding now
23:01:08markunjac0b: this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatFXPort/GBSYSTEM.zip
23:01:18markunyou also need http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/FWIMG01.DAT
23:01:19Beta2KYou can find the current one @ http://cerberus.drazof.com/~beta/RS232.zip
23:01:23markunit only works with rockbox
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23:01:45kkurbjunwhen you say a standard 20 pin connector, are you talking about the typical connector on arm debugging interfaces?
23:02:07Beta2KYesum
23:02:40kkurbjuncool, have you hooked your gigabeat up to jtag as well then?
23:02:48Beta2KNot yet
23:03:11Beta2KWas going to design this and either photo-etch it or protoboard it
23:03:34Beta2KStill trying to decide how to get a connector in there :)
23:03:51kkurbjun:), a floppy ribbon cable works pretty well
23:03:55Beta2KI've got some 2mm pitch stuff I think might fit
23:03:58kkurbjunbut you don't get a conenctor
23:04:15kkurbjunI just solder some solid strands to the end of it and used flying leads
23:04:51Beta2KThat's my normal course as well :)
23:05:09Beta2KThough I'd better do it "right"
23:05:16kkurbjunit works well, but you can't use the gigabeat very well as a portable player
23:05:19kkurbjun:)
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23:06:00Beta2KI like the portable bit
23:06:24kkurbjunyeah, I can understand that - I am just using a gigabeat that was /broken/
23:06:29kkurbjunfrom ebay
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23:06:46kkurbjunwhere are you going to add the connector?
23:07:01kkurbjunI mean, on the side of the player, on the top?
23:07:11Beta2KI think inside under the LCD
23:07:22toffe82if someone find a zif connector low profile to fit in, after you don't have any problem
23:07:25Beta2KI think the connector I have (female side) will be small enough
23:07:33toffe82I tried but didn't find it yet
23:07:47kkurbjunoh, so you will have to open the player everytime you want to connect to it?
23:07:56Beta2KJust put a small bit of flat wire from teh board to the connector and bury it under the LCD
23:07:57Beta2KYeah
23:08:01Beta2KThat's my plan so far
23:08:03toffe82yes
23:08:08kkurbjungotcha
23:08:19kkurbjunyou can get a flat cable out to the side pretty cleanly
23:08:19Beta2KThat or find 10 unused pins on the dock connector...
23:08:33toffe82no way
23:09:26Beta2KPesimist :)
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23:09:30kkurbjunthe one I have is sealed, but there is a ribbon cable hanging out the side of it, so you /could/ use it protably, but you would have to wrap the ends of the ribbon cable
23:09:37toffe82look the pinout ;)
23:10:00kkurbjunor you could not wrap them and risk shorting it out :P
23:10:35jac0bmarkun: YOU ARE THE FU*KIN MAN
23:10:45jac0bthat worked
23:11:18jac0bmarkun: i bow at your feet sir
23:11:23jac0b:)
23:12:13Beta2KI just did :)
23:12:29Beta2KGuess I could do some non-standard surgury, but neah.
23:12:32markunjac0b: thanks :)
23:13:18toffe82I was thinking of a flat cable and zif connector like the hard drive so you take it off as you want
23:14:21toffe82or adding a connector on the case but it is difficult to find a 10 pin miniature connector
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23:15:27bluebrotherhmm, what do people think about FS #8504? IMO this would be some kind of customizable main menu and should thus get closed
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23:17:24Beta2Ktoffe82, I have 10-pin 2mm SIP connectors from Digikey
23:17:33DefineByteWell, it doesn't really change stuff that's already there. Just adds things
23:17:35toffe82link ?
23:17:36DefineBytedunno
23:17:43Beta2KOne sec...
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23:18:46Lloreanlinuxstb: The forum allows .bin attachments. *please* don't encourage people to rename files to get past the attachment restrictions. If there's one that's needed and not supported, it can always be added.
23:18:56DefineBytedoes patch fs#8715 look alright or is it a bit too monolithic? :)
23:19:32DefineByteor just plain bad. x)
23:19:35Beta2KCrap I'm not sure toffe82, I left the bag at work
23:19:41toffe82:)
23:19:46toffe82tomorrow
23:22:29DefineByteCan you look at fs#8715 bluebrother (if you haven't already and you have the time)?
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23:37:01Beta2Ktoffe82 / kkurbjun, is nRESET TRST?
23:37:11Beta2Kor is nRESET a CPU reset?
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23:38:01bluebrotherBeta2K: though I don't know the Gigabeat I'd say it's cpu reset
23:38:16Beta2KMy assumption as well
23:40:56kkurbjunnReset is a cpu reset alone
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23:41:13kkurbjunI think the sRST is a jtag chain and cpu reset
23:41:22kkurbjunI might have it backwards though
23:41:30kkurbjunyou don't need the pins to do debug work
23:43:03toffe82Beta2K: I sent you my work on the tracing of the gigabeat so you have more information
23:43:54kkurbjunoh, you were asking if it's the pin
23:44:07kkurbjun:-D
23:44:30kkurbjunthere's some logic attached to those pins
23:45:11kkurbjunI've played around with it on hardware and one works as a reset that I can stay conencted to OpenOCD
23:45:19kkurbjunthe other one disconnects it from openocd
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23:47:20TuxguyCan someone tell me the size ratio for converting avi to mpeg for ipod nano ?
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23:47:24kkurbjunpin 5 on the connector should be NRESET
23:47:33kkurbjunand I think pin 2 is SRST
23:47:38toffe82Beta2K: did you recieve my mail ?
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23:48:09bluebrotherTuxguy: check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
23:48:29toffe82kkurbjun: did I sent you the file with the wiring ?
23:48:56Tuxguybluebrother, i cant, im in console only mode :(
23:49:19bluebrotherTuxguy: how about using links / lynx? ;-)
23:49:29DefineByteis it possible to be notified when a particular file is modified on svn?
23:49:46kkurbjuntoffe82, I have that openoffice spreadsheet
23:49:53kkurbjunit's been extremely helpfull
23:49:54toffe82ok
23:50:09toffe82one day Iwill have the scematics :)
23:51:06bluebrotherTuxguy: Nano is 176x132 screen resolution
23:51:33bluebrotherthus use 176x128 or 176x96
23:51:44Tuxguyty
23:51:45bluebrotherdepending if you want 4:3 16:9
23:51:50bluebrother*or
23:52:11Beta2KYes I did toffe82, thanks :)
23:52:25Beta2Kbbl
23:53:06toffe82I hope you will understand, it is sometimes a little confusing ;)
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