#rockbox 2008-03-15

Previous day | Jump to hour: 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 | Next day

Seconds: Show Hide | Joins: Show Hide | View raw
Font: Serif Sans-Serif Monospace | Size: Small Medium Large

Click in the nick column to highlight everything a person has said.
The icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).

#rockbox log for 2008-03-15

00:00:32	amiconn	Viewports are not yet explained there. (linuxstb?)
00:01:27		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:02:33	syn4pse	amiconn: sweet, i would have been digging for a while.
00:10:39		Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:10:56		Join Buschel [0] (n=abc@p54A3F950.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:11:32	Buschel	saratoga: try to add "int_btn \|= btn;" to firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-e200.c right after "btn = BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK;" (additional to patch #8668)
00:11:57	preglow	why is nano ata so slow ://///
00:12:14	preglow	a simple operation like deleting a directory with 13 files takes ages
00:12:36	Buschel	saratoga: this way the scrolldirection of the wheel should also be transmitted to to button_tick() and the gui boost should work
00:17:01	preglow	btw, could someone with an e200 try to reproduce this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8361
00:17:13	preglow	i can't make anything strange happen
00:17:24		Part toffe82
00:18:04		Quit ender` (" People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it is safer to harrass rich women than motorcycle gangs.")
00:21:38		Quit Buschel (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:22:10	*	gevaerts obviously reads the usb audio spec differently than whoever wrote the linux usb audio driver...
00:26:42	preglow	gevaerts: you're working usb audio already? :)
00:27:44	gevaerts	preglow: yes. I'm trying to make a usb audio device that just says it exists, without any controls or audio streaming. According to my reading of the spec that should be possible, but the linux driver disagrees.
00:28:48	gevaerts	If I can't get it to work, I'll be forced to add real functionaliy to it :(
00:30:28		Join voltagex [0] (n=localadm@121-79-23-210-dsl.ispone.net.au)
00:30:45	voltagex	having trouble creating voice files, getting an error from rbutilqt on OSX
00:33:38	satatoga11	Buschel: (for the logs) it compiles and when I go into debug screen it seems to be boosted and then unboosts after a bit but i'm not really too sure if its any different
00:33:44	satatoga11	the sansa's UI wasn't too bad to begin with
00:34:02	satatoga11	due to the small and fast lcd and relatively fast flash memory
00:37:19	satatoga11	Buschel: it does seem to disrupt the back light timer somehow
00:37:40	satatoga11	at least it sits on the menus with it on forever, but will turn off it left in the wps
00:41:14		Join fasmaie [0] (n=yohann@c-98-216-170-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
00:43:14		Quit satatoga11 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
00:43:58		Quit Jon-Kha (Remote closed the connection)
00:52:07	*	gevaerts isn't happy. He can get this to work in windows but not in linux :(
00:52:46	*	preglow wonders how hard it is to make usb midi work
00:52:50	preglow	now that would be cool
00:53:00	domonok1	voltagex: whats the error ?
00:53:41	gevaerts	preglow: It should be possible, but is there a PP device that's actually fast enough to make this useful ?
00:54:52	preglow	gevaerts: sure, ipods would be plenty fast enough. any anyway, doesn't the gigabeat s have the same usb controller? ;)
00:55:30	gevaerts	It probably depends on what you want to do with it
00:55:36	preglow	some kind of synthesis
00:55:42	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:55:55	preglow	an ordinary ipod should be more than enough for polyphonic subtractive synthesis
00:56:57		Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-157-223.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
00:57:16	preglow	a gigabeat s would be powerful enough for very fancy stuff
00:57:16	voltagex	domonok1: fixed, had the wrong path
00:57:32	voltagex	it still dies halfway through with "error encoding"
00:58:07	gevaerts	Actually, I can get it to work in both windows and linux, but not with the same descriptors.
00:58:41	voltagex	preglow: usb wifi + gigabeat = epic win
00:58:57	domonok1	voltagex: you are using sapi as tts ?
00:59:10	voltagex	domonok1: Espeak on OS X
00:59:57	gevaerts	Maybe that's good enough to replace the dummy charging only interface ? linux gives an error in the dmesg output, but most people won't see that, and windows finds a nice "usb audio device". It should still be tried on mac of course.
01:00
01:00:20	domonok1	voltagex: could you open a bugreport for this on flyspray with as much info as possible, s i dont forget to investigat it :-)
01:00:45	voltagex	domonok1: is it possible to get debug output from rbutilqt?
01:01:34	domonok1	voltagex: only if you build it in debug mode.. the release binarys are without debug functions..
01:01:48	voltagex	ok, I'll see if I can build it
01:02:28		Quit Rob2223 ()
01:02:35		Join youngprogur1 [0] (n=root@cpe-24-198-31-103.buffalo.res.rr.com)
01:03:38		Quit sarixe ("(EE) Failed to load "quit" module")
01:04:13	domonok1	voltagex: and that was while voicefile generation, not talkfiles, correct ?
01:05:12		Quit ompaul (Client Quit)
01:10:14		Quit domonok1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01:10:17		Join gevaerts_ [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-171.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be)
01:11:09		Quit gevaerts (Nick collision from services.)
01:11:13		Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (n=fg@195-144-092-171.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be)
01:12:36		Part youngprogur1
01:22:22	voltagex	domonok1: back, yes whole voice files.
01:22:30	gevaerts	Can I easily get and set volume control data (min, max, resolution, current value) ?
01:24:13		Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.)
01:24:19		Join amiconn [50] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
01:24:36	*	gevaerts feels himself getting pulled ever closer to the playback code.
01:25:28		Quit fasmaie (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
01:25:53		Quit mf0102 ("Verlassend")
01:27:18		Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCE28.dip.t-dialin.net)
01:31:03		Join Tuxguy [0] (n=Tux@cpe-065-184-081-164.ec.res.rr.com)
01:31:14	Tuxguy	can rockbox play mpeg-4 ?
01:32:04	scorche\|sh	where did you see that?
01:32:41	Tuxguy	me?
01:32:49	scorche\|sh	yes..
01:33:18	BigBambi	Tuxguy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
01:33:35		Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-196-61.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net)
01:33:38	voltagex	only the gigabeat would be powerful enough to play mpeg4 right?
01:33:55	scorche\|sh	well, it depends...
01:33:59	Tuxguy	someone in another channel said i could convert avi to mpeg and it would play
01:34:15	scorche\|sh	mpeg != mpeg4
01:34:28	voltagex	Tuxguy: right, you should read the wiki
01:35:05	BigBambi	Tuxguy: mpeg 1 and 2
01:35:22	Tuxguy	oh
01:35:25	Tuxguy	damn :(
01:35:41	BigBambi	why?
01:35:56	scorche\|sh	you would need to reformat the video for the screen size anyway...
01:36:00	Tuxguy	this program only lets me export to mpeg4, divx.. and a few other formats
01:36:02	BigBambi	If you were going to convert to mpeg4, just convert to mpeg1/2 instead...
01:36:10	scorche\|sh	then use a diffferent program...
01:36:14	Tuxguy	it also has an "ipod" setting....wonder if that is mpeg1/2
01:36:16	BigBambi	Tuxguy: You really should read the wiki page I linked
01:36:24	voltagex	no, ipod setting would be mp4
01:36:29	Tuxguy	oh
01:36:30	scorche\|sh	H.264
01:36:33	Tuxguy	im loading it now
01:36:34	Tuxguy	or trying to
01:36:44	Tuxguy	i was going to use ffmpeg but the package for mac is broken
01:36:53	voltagex	Tuxguy: go for
01:36:59	voltagex	Tuxguy: oops, go for mencoder
01:37:08	Tuxguy	i have mencoder
01:37:16	voltagex	Tuxguy: well then, go for it.
01:37:19	BigBambi	Tuxguy: Just read that page, it lists some options etc.
01:41:44	voltagex	is it just me or is the rockbox svn quite slow?
01:41:47	voltagex	the server i mean
01:42:40	BigBambi	seems fine here
01:43:05	BigBambi	Slow how? Compared to what?
01:43:47	voltagex	compared to a normal download
01:43:59		Join jcollie [0] (n=jcollie@dsl-ppp239.isunet.net)
01:44:04	scorche\|sh	do you know how SVN works?
01:44:11	scorche\|sh	it is far from a downloader
01:44:18	voltagex	yes
01:44:27	voltagex	but I should be able to get 20-40k/s from it
01:44:41	BigBambi	I get at least that
01:44:50	BigBambi	(I think :)
01:44:50		Join Mitch_ [0] (n=chatzill@99.194.60.215)
01:44:53	voltagex	getting 1-6k/s
01:44:57	voltagex	according to the modem
01:44:58	Mitch_	Guys, I have a question.
01:45:04	scorche\|sh	ouch...i get more than that easily
01:45:08	Mitch_	Rockbox does not work with iPod Nano's 2nd and 3rd, correct?
01:45:09	BigBambi	voltagex: Much faster than that here
01:45:15	BigBambi	Mitch_: correct
01:45:18	Mitch_	Mmk.
01:45:19	scorche\|sh	Mitch_: just as it says on the front page ;)
01:45:21	Mitch_	xD
01:45:24	Mitch_	Oh.
01:45:25	voltagex	BigBambi: feel like bzipping it up and sending it to me? :P
01:45:26	Mitch_	xD
01:45:34	BigBambi	voltagex: Ha :)
01:45:43	scorche\|sh	voltagex: the source is available form downloads in a tarball
01:45:57	scorche\|sh	s/form/from
01:45:58		Quit Mitch_ (Client Quit)
01:45:58	voltagex	scorche\|sh: rbutil as well?
01:46:06	voltagex	its rbutil I'm interested in
01:47:01	Tuxguy	damn, i dont understand the options i need to supply to mencoder
01:47:02	Tuxguy	:(
01:47:30	voltagex	Tuxguy: read the manpage?
01:49:08	voltagex	vcodec=mpeg2video
01:49:24	voltagex	acodec can be left out, as it defaults to mp2
01:53:18	Tuxguy	i did mencoder vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale:176:128
01:53:39	Tuxguy	Option vf: -scale:176:132 doesn't exist.
01:55:28	voltagex	wtf
01:55:36		Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com)
01:55:50	*	BigBambi points at the wiki page he linked
01:55:52	BigBambi	-vf scale=<width>:<height>
01:56:05	voltagex	aha
01:56:12	BigBambi	spot the difference
01:56:48	voltagex	it seems we should just rtfm then
01:57:13	BigBambi	Or the wiki page I keep referring to, which is there for a reason
01:57:19	Tuxguy	i did
01:57:31	BigBambi	Not well enough it seems!
01:57:54	Tuxguy	thats where i got the commands from
01:58:04	BigBambi	Tuxguy: Yet you got them wrong
01:58:22	BigBambi	The wiki page clearly has -vf scale=<width>:<height> whereas you typed -vf scale:<width>:<height>
01:58:38	Tuxguy	./mencoder /Users/ibook/Documents/Azureus\ Downloads/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG.avi -ovc lavc -lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale=176:132 supderbad.avi
01:58:38	Tuxguy	./mencoder /Users/ibook/Documents/Azureus\ Downloads/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG/Superbad\[2007\]\[Unrated\ Editon\]DvDrip\[Eng\]-FXG.avi -ovc lavc -lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video -vf scale=176:132 supderbad.avi
01:58:47	Tuxguy	whoops, only meant to do that 1x
01:58:50	BigBambi	Tuxguy: Please use something like pastebin
01:59:52	BigBambi	Tuxguy: Right, so you have -lavcoptc and I see -lavcopts on the wiki page for example
02:00
02:00:38	BigBambi	Actually, I see both on the wiki page :)
02:00:43	Tuxguy	i saw both
02:00:46	Tuxguy	-lavcoptc is not an MEncoder option
02:00:55	BigBambi	So is -lavcopts?
02:01:18	Tuxguy	lavcopts is for audio
02:01:20	Tuxguy	isnt it?
02:01:25	Tuxguy	and lavcoptc for video
02:01:31	BigBambi	I don't know, can you not check?
02:01:45	Tuxguy	-lavcoptc vcodec=mpeg2video [output video codec]
02:01:50	Tuxguy	according to your wiki
02:02:10	BigBambi	The wiki also says -lavcopts so it is clearly wrong on one of them
02:02:25	BigBambi	Tuxguy: Why can't you do mencoder --help and see which is correct?
02:05:48		Quit Davide-NYC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02:05:53	BigBambi	I have now fixed the wiki
02:05:58	Tuxguy	i barely can read english
02:06:00	Tuxguy	:(
02:07:20	BigBambi	Well this is getting pretty off topic now (this isn't a mencoder support channel), but you want -lavcopts
02:07:51	Tuxguy	bleh, i will just install ffmpeg from ports, it seems more easy
02:09:36	Llorean	I find ffmpeg a bit simpler, but it's a little more likely to run into media (or more specifically, containers I think) it can't handle, as well as not being able to really do anything with subtitles.
02:10:09	*	gevaerts is going to sleep.
02:10:32		Quit gevaerts ("back tomorrow")
02:17:07		Quit Rob2222 ()
02:17:40		Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-0cev9vm.cable.mindspring.com)
02:18:24		Part toffe82
02:18:46		Quit waldo ("Konversation terminated!")
02:19:08		Join b__ [0] (n=b@dsl-129-230.aei.ca)
02:20:44	Davide-NYC	jhMikeS: ping
02:22:26		Join youngproguru [0] (n=root@38.sub-75-222-232.myvzw.com)
02:31:41		Join fenugrec [0] (n=ABC@206.167.203.215)
02:33:40		Part fenugrec ("Leaving")
02:34:27		Join toffe82 [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-137-196-61.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net)
02:37:36		Quit rocko (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
02:47:45		Quit bblack (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
02:49:01		Quit youngproguru (Connection timed out)
02:51:26		Join youngproguru [0] (n=root@62.sub-75-195-82.myvzw.com)
02:51:49		Quit youngproguru (Remote closed the connection)
02:55:44	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:56:57		Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection)
02:58:01		Quit Davide-NYC ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]")
03:00
03:06:53		Quit Tuxguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
03:29:53		Join Neskaya [0] (i=featherd@wiktionary/neskaya)
03:30:18		Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b556f6a5e12882ad)
03:30:29		Join perrikp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0e27246bce4d68a)
03:31:21		Quit perrikwp (Client Quit)
03:31:54		Nick perrikp is now known as perrikwp (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0e27246bce4d68a)
03:37:09		Join webguest62 [0] (n=3bad031a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-9e2438f5de9e636d)
03:40:30		Quit webguest62 (Client Quit)
04:00
04:00:03		Join [blue] [0] (n=a0i@su60.eastnet.gatech.edu)
04:04:22		Join wisp_sh [0] (n=wisp@node-29-1.adsl.tula.net)
04:05:22		Join tessarakt2 [0] (n=jens@e180067063.adsl.alicedsl.de)
04:06:54		Quit tessarakt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:16:54		Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCE28.dip.t-dialin.net)
04:18:17		Quit xa0ce (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:26:13		Join piga [0] (n=leonardo@189.5.228.43)
04:30:20		Quit piga ("Leaving")
04:36:00		Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@c-71-192-73-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
04:36:01		Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04:36:05		Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@c-71-192-73-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
04:39:09		Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:54:14		Quit [blue] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:55:49	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04:57:28		Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
05:00
05:02:44		Quit Zarggg ()
05:05:34		Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@ip68-229-87-41.ri.ri.cox.net)
05:05:39		Quit XavierGr ()
05:12:34		Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
05:12:52		Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=el_miep@p54BF7B69.dip.t-dialin.net)
05:16:20		Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst)
05:17:08		Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCCE28.dip.t-dialin.net)
05:24:36	syn4pse	is an infrequent core dump in the simulator anything to worry about when testing a plugin? on diff platforms? but hard to reproduce?
05:35:38		Quit rocko (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
05:35:45		Join rocko [0] (n=rocko@ip68-229-87-41.ri.ri.cox.net)
05:36:12		Join pushpop [0] (n=mp2281@pool-71-190-167-134.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
05:36:33		Part pushpop
05:41:26		Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com)
05:45:46		Quit Thundercloud (Remote closed the connection)
05:46:15		Join xa0ce [0] (n=a0i@lawn-128-61-117-50.lawn.gatech.edu)
05:48:33		Quit tessarakt2 ("Client exiting")
05:49:19	syn4pse	+bye
05:49:33		Quit perrikwp ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
05:49:47		Join perrikwp [0] (i=4aa794a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5837e7af6ba10188)
05:49:47		Quit syn4pse ("Time wasted on IRC: 10 hours 58 minutes 33 seconds")
06:00
06:00:32		Quit framo ("moo")
06:02:39		Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
06:08:26		Join DrDnar [0] (n=DrDnar@cmu-24-35-93-16.mivlmd.cablespeed.com)
06:19:39		Part toffe82
06:27:19		Join mchua [0] (n=mchua@conference/pycon/x-e72f73e6f5248abb)
06:34:32		Join Jon-Kha [0] (n=jon-kha@80-248-247-190.cust.suomicom.fi)
06:44:10		Quit Nevtus (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
06:55:53	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
07:00
07:24:53		Quit mchua ("Holy shiny distraction, Batman!")
07:26:13		Quit midgey ()
07:26:35		Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl)
08:00
08:07:40		Quit DrDnar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08:08:25		Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCEA0A.dip.t-dialin.net)
08:14:30		Quit xa0ce (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08:26:09		Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
08:37:35		Quit jhulst ("Konversation terminated!")
08:40:51		Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@70-56-92-50.tukw.qwest.net)
08:55:57	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
09:00
09:10:13		Join moos [0] (i=moos@m170.net81-66-158.noos.fr)
09:28:06		Quit axionix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
09:30:18		Join DerDome [0] (n=DerDome@dslb-082-083-217-242.pools.arcor-ip.net)
09:35:39		Join CyBergRind\|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130)
09:39:57		Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul)
09:52:36		Quit [CBR]Unspoken\|w (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
09:53:05		Join axionix [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com)
10:00
10:01:44		Join pixelma [50] (i=pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma)
10:02:14		Join markun_ [50] (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun)
10:02:29	gibbon_	hiho
10:02:51	gibbon_	and good morning to everybody around the CET-timezone ;)
10:03:16		Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
10:04:33	gibbon_	can anyone tell which FM Radio chip is included with the c250 sansa player?
10:11:10	gibbon_	i figured lv24020lp from the includes... but i am not that certain about it
10:12:08		Join webguest04 [0] (n=5056fd60@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-df23b60392201e31)
10:12:30		Quit webguest04 (Client Quit)
10:14:59	pixelma	I think it's the same as in the e200s and wiki says that it's a SanyoLV24000 supposedly (even has an own wiki page...)
10:16:06	J-23	I have executed "rm -rf /*" :/
10:24:50	gibbon_	it compiled the lv drivers after a clean look...
10:25:03	gibbon_	pixelma: i couldn't find the own wiki page... silly but true
10:25:11	gibbon_	J-23: tats not that funny, though
10:27:14	pixelma	gibbon_: just copy the wiki word (how I spelled the tuner), paste it into the "go" box on a Rockbox wiki page of your choice and press enter... ;) (it's not a long page though)
10:27:50	gibbon_	i asked because i wanted to add a new region setting that modifies the frequency range and tuning width for basic amateur radio listening
10:28:03		Join axionix_ [0] (n=axion@cpe-74-70-239-192.nycap.res.rr.com)
10:28:19	gibbon_	pixelma: ah! i thought a special wiki page vor the sansa c250 where the tuner is referenced.. didn't look for the tuner in the wikis
10:28:50	gibbon_	finer tuning steps and an advanced frequency range...
10:29:07	pixelma	maybe you can't find out more by reading the code, don't know
10:29:16	pixelma	s/can't/can
10:29:37	*	gibbon_ nods... but i am not quite understanding the translation settings
10:30:29	gibbon_	i found out how to add an item to the structure...
10:30:52		Join merbzt [0] (n=benlar@dns.basset.se)
10:31:55	gibbon_	i'm probablyy better off by modifiing an old item for now
10:32:04	gibbon_	s/old/existing/
10:41:12		Join SliMM [0] (n=stefan@89.137.226.12)
10:42:11	SliMM	hello
10:42:59	SliMM	is there a way to easyly get all the packages needed for compiling rockbox (in ubuntu)
10:43:04	SliMM	easily*
10:44:18		Quit axionix (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
10:44:42		Quit merbz1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
10:45:50	gibbon_	SliMM: you basically need a c compiler and build the cross toolchain with that
10:46:06	SliMM	gibbon_: sorry?
10:46:30	gibbon_	its all well documented in the wiki, but a good start (and hell its the most easy cros toolchain to build ive ever seen) are the scripts in the tools directory
10:46:47	gibbon_	SliMM: i think ubuntu calls these packages "build-essential"
10:46:59	gibbon_	it depends on nearly everything you may need
10:47:02	gibbon_	worked for me
10:47:35	SliMM	gibbon_: sorry, but i am new to ubuntu and linux in general, and i don't know what exactly i shold do
10:47:44	SliMM	should*
10:47:49	gibbon_	ok... then i'll start a bit lower :)
10:47:53	gibbon_	not a problem at all
10:48:33	gibbon_	you know how to install packages in ubuntu?
10:50:00	gibbon_	(and further more the skills of starting shell scripts, using a keyboard for terminal software and basic knowlege about the three steps to build software from source may be useful but are available to be deployed on you ;))
10:51:46	SliMM	gibbon_: yes, i do know all these basic things :-)
10:52:01	gibbon_	well fine
10:52:32	gibbon_	then open a terminal and from there install build-essential and subversion (the latter one only if you have not checked out the current sourcecode yet)
10:55:20	SliMM	build-essential is the name of the package?
10:55:36		Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky)
10:55:37	gibbon_	yes
10:55:41	gibbon_	subversion as well
10:55:53	gibbon_	i am not aware of other packages you might need...
10:55:59	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
10:56:10	gibbon_	bison might be needed... i am not sure... but we will figure out
10:56:21	SliMM	ok
10:56:22	SliMM	:-)
10:56:30	SliMM	good, done
10:57:04	gibbon_	ok... do you already have obtained the source code base?
10:57:39	SliMM	well, no
10:58:06	gibbon_	ok... then get the subversion package as well as needed
10:58:24	gibbon_	then go to the directory where you want the rockbox source directory to be placed
10:58:32	SliMM	done
10:59:03	gibbon_	ok
10:59:43	gibbon_	"svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" is the command you want to type now
11:00
11:00:42	SliMM	downloading
11:02:14	SliMM	done
11:03:11	gibbon_	go to rockbox/tools now
11:04:18	SliMM	damn, i already had a rockbox folder
11:04:34	SliMM	how do i move rockbox up one folder?
11:05:31	gibbon_	and it didn't warn?
11:05:35	gibbon_	it should hace
11:05:37	gibbon_	have
11:05:49	SliMM	no, no
11:05:56	gibbon_	the subversion command created a directory named rockbox
11:05:58	SliMM	i was in ~/Sources/Rockbox
11:06:05	gibbon_	ah
11:06:11	SliMM	and svn created that folder
11:06:17	SliMM	i moved it up in nautilus
11:06:23	gibbon_	ok
11:06:25	SliMM	(i love case sensitivity
11:06:34	SliMM	i am in tools now
11:07:18		Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@d54C597B6.access.telenet.be)
11:08:03	gibbon_	do a "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh"
11:08:18	gibbon_	this will - as root - build the toolchain
11:08:39	gibbon_	choose the architecture of your player there
11:09:04	SliMM	i'll just choose arm for now
11:09:24	gibbon_	you can build all if unsure ;)
11:09:29	gibbon_	this will take a while
11:09:59	SliMM	for let's say a coldfire target simulator, do i need the coldfire toolchain?
11:10:01	gibbon_	you will need to customize your environment after that for the rockbox build system to find the toolchain that is now built
11:10:12	gibbon_	i am not sure about that
11:10:19	gibbon_	i suppose not... but unsure
11:10:49	gibbon_	i do not have the sh toolchain, so i'll try to make an archos simulator build to test that
11:11:14	domonoky	Slimm: for the simulators you dont need the crosscompilers..
11:11:27	SliMM	ok, thanks
11:11:33	gibbon_	ok :) thanks domonoky
11:13:05	gibbon_	i found it to be amazing how easy cross compilation is with tockbox
11:13:09	gibbon_	rockbox...
11:14:10	gibbon_	i was into ipaq linux (familiar) development once... it was ... grml. but i think thats because rockbox doesn't make use of that whole bunch of external libraries of the glibc, right?
11:17:51	SliMM	gibbon_: well, it certenly (how should i spell that?) takes a while, i'll be away for 15 minutes or so
11:18:00	gibbon_	ok
11:18:03	*	gibbon_ too
11:18:14	gibbon_	the basic steps if it all succeeds i will write down for you here
11:18:28	SliMM	thanks
11:18:52	SliMM	ah, certainly
11:19:41	gibbon_	as root, edit "/etc/environment" to add the line PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin"
11:20:04	gibbon_	do this for every toolchain you build, replace arm with the appropriate arch
11:20:59	gibbon_	in the rockbox directory now create a directory for your build... lets call it "player_build"
11:21:36	gibbon_	go into that directory and call "../tools/configure", follow the instructions and you should then have a ready to use Makefile in that directory
11:22:22	gibbon_	saying "make" on the commandline will hopefully then build the firmware, followed by a "make fullzip" to create a full zip archive to extract to the player or hand to friends ;)
11:22:55		Join ch4os_ [0] (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673)
11:23:00	gibbon_	it it complains about not finding the compiler, say "export PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" on the commandline
11:23:07	gibbon_	that should be it...
11:23:12	gibbon_	afk
11:26:45		Part SliMM
11:35:22		Join tanasinn [0] (n=yellow13@pool-72-83-108-236.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
11:36:05	tanasinn	Hurr
11:36:42	tanasinn	Who's familiar with the Sansa C200?
11:37:14	tanasinn	I doubt all 199 of you are idle
11:37:27	markun_	I'm idle
11:37:46	tanasinn	Oh hush :<
11:37:48	domonoky	tanasinn: just ask your question, if somebody knows it, they will answer..
11:38:17	tanasinn	Well I've got everything installed, but I can't figure out how to put the music on it
11:38:30	tanasinn	Do I put it in the root folder or .rockbox :?
11:38:53	domonoky	tanasinn: put it where you like it, better not into the .rockbox folder..
11:39:05	tanasinn	Ok so the root folder it is
11:39:17	domonoky	for example make a musik dir, and put your musik into it..
11:39:31	tanasinn	Alright
11:39:54		Part J-23
11:39:59		Nick markun_ is now known as markun (n=markun@rockbox/developer/markun)
11:40:32	pixelma	be aware that the "MUSIC" directory the sansa original firmware creates will also be marked hidden by the OF
11:43:58		Join nplus [0] (n=nplus@141.25.globcom.net)
11:45:19		Join J-23 [0] (n=aldwulf@a105.net128.okay.pl)
11:52:47		Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A4EB4.dip.t-dialin.net)
11:53:59		Join gevaerts [0] (n=fg@195-144-092-171.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be)
11:55:09	gevaerts	good morning
11:56:39	markun	morning gevaerts
11:56:51		Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p54964E2A.dip.t-dialin.net)
12:00
12:01:19	*	gevaerts starts to understand usb audio a bit better. It helps to read more of the spec
12:01:30		Join Lear [0] (i=chatzill@rockbox/developer/lear)
12:04:42	tanasinn	Hahah oh wow
12:05:06	tanasinn	So I think that the Sansa firmware was messed up
12:05:13	tanasinn	The channels would get all messed up
12:05:20	tanasinn	But with rockbox it works fine
12:05:22	tanasinn	:?
12:08:32	tanasinn	Oh well, thanks for the help domonoky and pixelma
12:08:37		Quit tanasinn ("fox 2")
12:11:21	markun	gevaerts: so, will it be easy to implement?
12:11:23		Join Nevtus [0] (n=Nevtus@unaffiliated/nevtus)
12:13:15	linuxstb	Anyone know if any PP devices have a built-in mic?
12:14:10	gevaerts	markun: yes and no. A "minimal" usb audio driver that basically does nothing but make the OS happy is nearly done. This makes windows tell users it found a "usb audio device" in charging-only mode, which should be less confusing than an "unknown device, please find some drivers". An actually usable driver is more work, since it need isochronous support from the usb controller driver, which isn't there yet.
12:14:33	linuxstb	Have you given up on using the removable bit for charging-only?
12:14:41	gevaerts	linuxstb: the sansas have a microphone
12:14:49	pixelma	linuxstb: yes the sansas ...
12:14:53	*	pixelma too slow
12:15:14	linuxstb	So I guess usb audio is useful there - if you need a mic for your computer...
12:15:17	pixelma	maybe the h10s as well
12:15:46	linuxstb	Basically everything apart from the ipods then ;) (unsurprisingly...)
12:16:05	gevaerts