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#rockbox log for 2008-03-17

00:02:15gevaertsIt seems to work here (actually it gets stuck in a reboot loop because of my patched bootloader that boots rockbox with usb connected as well)
00:03:00gevaertspikhq: can you check if your cable is properly connected, and if usb works properly in the OF ?
00:04:42*gevaerts just got reminded how cabbiev2 looks on sansa c200, and still doesn't like it
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00:05:27pikhqgevaerts: The cable is properly connected; the e200 is sitting here charging as we speak.
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00:05:50pikhqJust a sec while I confirm with the OF.
00:05:56*pixelma thinks it already looks better with nimbus-11 on her c250 (though still wouldn't use it)
00:06:02pikhqYeah; it works in the OF.
00:06:37pikhqAnd *now* my Sansa just locks up when plugged in, instead of rebooting.
00:06:53DefineBytelike a drum?
00:07:06pikhqNo, like a lock.
00:07:56gevaertsThat sounds better ;) It seems to happen on random builds, so you could try an older one (I don't have an e200, so I can't recommend a specific working revision)
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00:09:29pikhqDoes that happen with the USB-enabled builds?
00:10:13gevaertsUSB enabled builds don't reboot, so no. The lock up is a bug somewhere in the sansa reboot code.
00:10:16linuxstbJdGordon|uni: I don't understand how (for example) "wps1", "wps2" etc is easier to understand than just 1, 2, etc though (the user still needs to refer back to the list to see what they mean). I thought your suggestion was going to be to just use the font filenames directly.
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00:20:07jeff2143Is this a common issue, I installed RockBox on my first gen iPod nano, and then it was working fine, I tried to setup the database, it told be to reboot the iPod, I did, and now the iPod won't start.
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00:21:04linuxstbHow did you reboot? A long press on PLAY/PAUSE ?
00:21:14jeff2143Yes.
00:21:20jeff2143And it just said shutting down.
00:21:45linuxstbThen yes, it's quite common. Just hold MENU+SELECT together to reset your ipod. It seems to be a bug in Apple's bootloader (not turning on when it should).
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00:23:38jeff2143Alright, sorry, that should have been obvious, I'll try that.
00:24:05pikhqlinuxstb: Think maybe that should be in the documentation?
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00:24:26jeff2143Thanks, we're all good now.
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00:25:53linuxstbpikhq: I guess it wouldn't hurt - a troubleshooting section in the manual would be nice.
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00:26:05jeff2143Yea, that's what I tried looking for.
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00:53:17Davide-NYCJdGordon: ping
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01:27:43*amiconn found another (non-critical) bug affecting all iaudio bootloaders
01:28:33amiconnIt's possible to boot an iaudio X5 or M5 with the remote Play button even if remote hold is enabled
01:29:12amiconnWith the main power button this isn't possible because Power and Hold are mechanically mutually exclusive on X5/M5
01:29:46amiconnOn M3, both main & remote Play work with the respective (or both) hold switches enabled
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02:17:37jpt9hey.
02:18:11jpt9I'm not trying to be annoying -- I'm just curious -- but are there any efforts to port Rockbox to any currently purchasable (new) MP3 players?
02:18:23*jpt9 has a Sansa e250R and is quite happy with Rockbox on it!
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02:23:03pikhqI believe that there are efforts to port to the e200 v2s. . .
02:24:12jpt9really?
02:24:38soapyes
02:24:41jpt9cool.
02:24:56soapas well as many other current players - including the juicy Cowon D2.
02:25:17scorches/juicy/pricey ;)
02:29:29jpt9rockbox is awesome.
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02:56:43svenVII am interested in working on an iPod Classic port of Rockbox. How often to people come in here making this claim?
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02:57:46LloreanVery rarely.
02:58:31scorchesvenVI: do you know what such a port would require?
02:59:11svenVIHacking the encryption and making sense of undocumented hardware. I know it is not likely to ever happen.
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03:02:47amiconnghahhhrrgg!
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03:03:53*amiconn just noticed that the inerrupt handling during boot on all coldfire targets is very undetermined
03:04:15amiconnIt's pure luck that there were no noticeable problems because of this so far
03:04:40*amiconn needs some sleep now though, and will investigate later
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03:05:44malahal_when I do 'long select' on a directory in 'File Browser', it just plays one file in that directory. How do I play all files in it?
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03:11:11malahal_anyone here?
03:11:39jpt9yes. no guarantee that i'll be particularly useful, as I'm just a user...
03:11:48Lloreanmalahal_: When you do "long select" it should just pop up a menu, not play anything.
03:12:01LloreanWhat player do you have, and which physical button are you referring to as "select"?
03:12:23malahal_Llorean, yes, it does. It shows up 'playlist, etc...'
03:12:31malahal_Llorean, sansa e250R
03:13:22LloreanSo why not explain what all you're doing? How'm I supposed to know what you're doing if you give me wrong information, I'll think you're talking about some other bug (it'd be a very significant bug if long select was playing files)
03:13:32malahal_Llorean, I can view that 'show/view playlist' shows all songs from that directory, but it doesn't go and plat the next file from the directory..
03:14:08LloreanWhat "repeat" mode is set?
03:14:24malahal_Llorean, good question. Let me check.
03:15:04malahal_Llorean, how do I check that?
03:15:54LloreanIt's in the quick screen, as well as the playback settings menu, iirc.
03:15:58malahal_got it, the mode is A-B
03:16:19malahal_shall i set it to 'OFF'
03:16:38LloreanSure
03:17:12malahal_great, it works!
03:17:43malahal_Is there a way I can stop playing the 'playlist' after some time, let us say 30 minutes?
03:18:04LloreanThe sleep timer will shut off your player after a certain period of time
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03:28:16malahal_Llorean, Thank you very much. That is all I need now!
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03:51:17Davide-NYCJdGordon|uni: I wanted to confirm that you got what I was saying about the Recorder's WRS not having enough space to accomodate three lines above the peakmeters
03:53:21JdGordon|unias long as it has at least one line under the PM then there is enough room...
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03:55:16Davide-NYCThere would be two when the trigger is active and three when the trigger is inactive. So, a one line scolling list is OK?
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04:01:41JdGordon|uniDavide-NYC: sure, its a list so pressing up/down would change the item being displayed
04:03:20Davide-NYCWe need at least two items to be displayed below the PM because both L and R gains can be selected at once (currently)
04:03:41Davide-NYCotherwise we'll need another line item for L+R Gains
04:03:58Davide-NYC(lowering or raising both gains at once)
04:05:01Davide-NYCBut even on the Recorder's screen I thing two lines will fit.
04:06:57Davide-NYCs/thing/think
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04:38:57JdGordon|uniDavide-NYC: the reworked screen will not be exactly the same as the current one... you wont be able to select more than 1 line at a time
04:39:04JdGordon|unithe gain will be in 3 seperate lines
04:39:08JdGordon|uniL, R, L+R
04:39:52Davide-NYCmaybe L+R and balance? (one less line and same effect)
04:41:04Davide-NYCAnd the trigger will always be visible at the bottom. Correct?
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04:41:32Newusercan someone help me out here?
04:41:47Newuserhello?
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04:42:10Newusercan someone help me with RB here?
04:42:20JdGordon|uninot if you dont ask a quesiton
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04:42:33JdGordon|uniDavide-NYC: well the items need to be worked out still
04:42:48Davide-NYCI'm very excited. Thanks for doing this.
04:43:09JdGordon|unidont get too excited... i have a tendancy of losing interest in things like this :p
04:43:22Davide-NYC:-0
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05:12:18secleinteerhi, i just installed rockbox to an ipod photo using the automated installer on linux, and i'm getting an error saying that rockbox.ipod can't be found
05:12:20secleinteerany dieas?
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05:14:34scorcheusing rbutil?
05:16:01secleinteerscorche: yes
05:19:09secleinteeri'm trying the manual installation
05:19:23secleinteershouldn't have bothered with the automated one
05:19:26secleinteerjust can't trust a gui ;)
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05:23:34secleinteerwow, rockbox looks really different from more than a year ago when i first tried it
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05:38:47secleinteerwhen i try to play an mp3 file in the default installation, it's just sitting there at 0:00 and not outputting any audio
05:38:51secleinteeranyone know what's going on?
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05:52:51cool_walking_secleinteer: I have that occasionally, but a reboot fixes it.
05:54:02LloreanIs there a bug report filed on this problem?
05:54:56cool_walking_I haven't looked.
05:55:51LloreanWell, generally speaking, it's a good idea to look if you're experiencing a regular problem. The devs won't no about it if nobody reports it, so it's not gonna get fixed.
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06:02:16cool_walking_It didn't happen much. I can't really remember, but I think it happened under some certain circumstances. I occasionally accidentally started recording, and I think it might have happened then. I don't actually have a working Rockbox target now though.
06:03:21LloreanSo, you don't "have" that occasionally
06:03:23scorcheget ready for a bunch of sansa pre-buy questions again for today... http://www.woot.com/
06:03:56LloreanYou had that, in the past... and have no idea if it exists in recent builds. As well, if you had a portalplayer target, it's well known that music didn't work after recording.
06:05:06cool_walking_Yes it was an iPod 5G
06:05:27cool_walking_I guess since I'm buying another one, I kept it in the "have" tense.
06:06:11LloreanGenerally, it's not good to reinforce that a problem is "just part of Rockbox" if you can't verify it yourself. It's possible that he's experiencing something different (we don't know what player he has, nor if he's gone into recording, and it could easily be something like bad metadata or similar)
06:07:34cool_walking_I didn't mean to do that, I was just trying to fix it for him, since rebooting always fixed it for me.
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06:08:43cool_walking_But in the future I will try to diagnose first, then solve.
06:10:19JdGordonSlasheri: you around?
06:15:40secleinteercool_walking_: ok, i'll try that
06:16:01secleinteeri think i did start recording on accident
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06:23:08toffe82definitive price of the connector here :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SpareParts
06:27:06toffe82for the gigabeat :)
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06:28:33*Hodapp ponders hax0ring his iPod for a bigger|quieter drive
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06:33:54Keypad2Hey guys
06:34:04Keypad2I was thinking about buying a Ipod mini
06:34:09Keypad2for my flac collection
06:34:22Keypad2Does any one know if flac works perfect on a ipod mini ?
06:37:03LloreanIt should be fine
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06:38:40secleinteerLlorean: the new ipod's don't work with rockbox, right?
06:38:47Lloreanright
06:38:56secleinteerso how can he use the ipod mini with flac?
06:39:14Keypad2Because rockbox runs on it ?
06:39:22LloreanThe iPod Mini is an old iPod
06:39:37Keypad2and they have figured out how to compile and code and execute it ?
06:39:37LloreanThe new iPods are the Generation 3 Nano, the Generation 2 Shuffle, the "iPod Classic", and the iPod Touch
06:39:59Keypad2Hopefully the mini is fine :P
06:40:32Keypad2I dont think the ipod mini v2 works well tho
06:40:47LloreanBoth models of the Mini work fine.
06:40:49secleinteeroh, damn
06:40:50secleinteerlol
06:41:01secleinteerfor a sec i thought there was a way to run rockbox on a new ipod
06:41:09Keypad2Oh crap.....
06:41:09Keypad2 Mini 1st Gen. DONE Rockbox works with audio playback, but some more optimization is still needed.
06:41:10Keypad2Mini 2nd Gen. DONE Port is being actively optimized - Rockbox works quite nicely and plays audio.
06:41:31Keypad2When it plays audio does that mean it plays all audio formats fine ?
06:41:35LloreanPlease don't paste multiple lines into the channel
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06:42:01Keypad2Sorry mate.
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06:42:06LloreanWhen it plays audio, that just means it plays audio. Whether a format works well depends on optimizations, but FLAC is usually one of the fastest (and thus, requiring the least optimizations) format.
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06:42:34KeypadI thought that since it was compressed and rather large it was hard to read.
06:42:55LloreanKeypad: nearly all audio formats are compressed...
06:43:41secleinteerLlorean: so is there no chance of getting rockbox on the new ipods?
06:44:45Lloreansecleinteer: It's awful hard to prove that something's impossible. But nobody's working on it, so it's not gonna happen until some owners of the players step forward and start more seriously investigating and working.
06:46:52secleinteerah
06:46:57secleinteerso no one really cares right now?
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06:48:13LloreanPorts usually happen when someone who owns the player, or is already interested in it, works on it.
06:48:35LloreanAnd there's nothing about the new iPods that has really inspired anyone, it seems.
06:50:32secleinteerlol
06:50:47secleinteerLlorean: well i'm looking for a new large hdd player that's rockbox supported
06:50:51secleinteerand these ipods seem ok
06:51:27secleinteeri'd like to be able to rsync my music directory to the pmp, which i could do with rockbox
06:51:44secleinteerbut the directory is rather large, so i'd need the 160 gb ipod
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07:02:40CaptainKewlHi. Built a mikmod plugin, with large chunks borrowed from that dumb plugin on flyspray. Works on my G5 ipod, slowly, probably for much the same reason as dumb does (calculations, mallocs) though not as bad.
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07:17:43gibbon_secleinteer: i ndon't think the 160GB iPods sold currently are supported
07:18:19secleinteergibbon_: yeah, i know, that's what i was asking Llorean about
07:19:06gibbon_ok
07:19:37gibbon_its very sad that todays hardwaremanufacturers keep us from being able to use the hardware we purchase for the things WE want
07:19:50gibbon_but thats off topic development and does not belong here
07:29:26KeypadYeah its sad
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07:35:27secleinteergibbon_: well that's why i'm looking for something else if possible
07:35:37secleinteerbut i've been waiting for the iaudio x7 for almost a year now
07:35:44secleinteerno such luck there though
07:36:07gibbon_and you really need ALL your music with you?
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07:37:02secleinteergibbon_: it would be much easier to rsync my music directory than bother transferring it manually
07:37:34gibbon_rsync does not work THAT well on Fat32
07:38:05gibbon_i don't know why but some information is not preserved what makes it a bit hard to use it the way its ment to be used
07:38:07secleinteergibbon_: hmm, there's no other filesystem supported by rockbox?
07:38:14gibbon_but thats not rockbox fault
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07:38:33secleinteerwouldn't it be better for rockbox to use ext3 or something?
07:38:34gibbon_secleinteer: nope... and according to the tracker its not planned
07:38:43secleinteerso that the id3 database could easily update
07:39:16gibbon_secleinteer: the drawback would be a totally new filesystem driver... a lot of work... a LOT of work.. ask hans reiser :P
07:39:39gibbon_i am off for work now...
07:39:40secleinteergibbon_: i can't, i don't have access to US jails ;)
07:39:42secleinteerkk
07:39:43secleinteercya
07:40:02gibbon_i am back in some minutes though... umts
07:41:11scorchesecleinteer: FAT32 has the most support cross platform than any other, really
07:42:29SlasheriJdGordon: hi
07:42:29secleinteerscorche: yeah, but it'd nice to have another option
07:42:49JdGordonSlasheri: hey, hope you dont mind the commit i did... you wernt around :p
07:42:52scorchewhy?
07:42:59SlasheriJdGordon: checking that
07:43:09JdGordonnice work on the event stuff :) i've been meaning to do that for ages but was always too lazy :p
07:43:10secleinteerscorche: so i can rsync my music directory
07:43:22secleinteernot like there's a rockbox supported pmp with enough space for that lol
07:43:22scorchesure there are benefits to other filesystems, but it would be a huge bloat for the core
07:43:34scorcheyou cant rsync with FAT32?
07:43:36secleinteercan't you make it modular?
07:43:49SlasheriJdGordon: that makes sense
07:43:52secleinteerscorche: well gibbon_ said it's not too effective
07:43:53Slasheri:)
07:43:58secleinteerfat32 with rsync, that is
07:43:59scorchetry it and find out...
07:44:20secleinteeri might lol
07:44:43secleinteerbut i'd need something with a bigger hdd
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08:05:35gibbon_the problem i had with rsync is that it tries to touch every single file again when sresyncing
08:05:41gibbon_-s
08:06:09gibbon_its not that its not working :P it just doesn't work like i know from other filesystems that are more attribute-aware
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08:18:44KeypadI cant wait to get my ipod mini :P
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08:20:59gibbon_Keypad: which generation?
08:22:15KeypadI think its first gen
08:22:37Keypadgibbon_: how come ?
08:23:10gibbon_i had one till it blew up some weeks ago. nevermind ;)
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08:24:02Keypad:(
08:24:03gibbon_the battery had some urge to get into my face. that was all
08:24:17KeypadI just bought a ipod for 55 bucks
08:24:18gibbon_but it was ok for years, so yours will be, too i guess
08:24:28Keypadwith a broken battery
08:24:50gibbon_i never herad really bad stories about the mini1st before...
08:25:14gibbon_don't worry... mine still runs but i need to get a new battery and some huge CF
08:25:32KeypadCF's only go to 16 GB :P
08:25:55gibbon_well microdrives as they are in the mini are limited to 6 iirc
08:26:10gibbon_and no, they go to 32GB now :)
08:26:28KeypadTrue ?!
08:26:31KeypadIpod nano ftw.
08:26:56KeypadIf I can get the ipod for like 80 bucks in totel
08:27:00Keypadincluding battery
08:27:02gibbon_ah, the nano is completely different from the mini
08:27:05Keypadit will be worth it
08:27:10Keypadsince they go for like 120 bucks
08:27:12Keypadsecond hand
08:27:19Keypadand I can upgrade it need be.
08:27:20gibbon_so forget what i said
08:27:40Keypad32 GB sounds sexy, :P
08:28:15gibbon_i don't know if they still use CFs in the nano..... they did use microdrives in the minis which are much similar to a CF
08:30:32gibbon_iirc they did yuse on board flash for the nano
08:35:24scorche|shtopbloke: /w 2
08:35:28scorche|sherrr.
08:36:56Keypadyeah
08:37:00Keypadthey use flash :P
08:37:11KeypadI got a nano the other day
08:37:16KeypadThey suck so bad
08:37:25KeypadDoesnt even power on
08:37:39Keypadnothings user replaceable.
08:38:03*scorche takes away the soapbox from under Keypad's feet
08:41:02markunKeypad: we're porting rockbox to the Meizu M6 and M3. The M3 is about the sa