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| 00:09:44 | ali_as | amiconn, just occured to me if you could multiply the number by 10000000000000001b, that ought to work, but I'm nolonger sure my maths is right. |
| 00:10:11 | ali_as | And the required integer is invalid in one instruction anyway. |
| 00:10:30 | amiconn | And it would be much much slower, especially on arm |
| 00:10:52 | ali_as | Oh, it would be agonisingly slow, but it would have solved the problem as stated. |
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| 00:13:53 | ali_as | My high half word would be out by one if the input was negative. |
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| 00:46:15 | Bagder | now at 4 mentors: me, petur, scorche and LinusN |
| 00:47:15 | Bagder | http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_step1.html <= apply here |
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| 00:50:03 | amiconn | Bagder: The build system didn't pick up a commit... |
| 00:53:19 | * | preglow goes looking for a project list |
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| 01:00:34 | * | JdGordon|uni thought he already did the mentor signup |
| 01:01:24 | * | preglow doesn't think he'll mentor this year, thanks to uncertain circumstances this summer |
| 01:05:36 | * | linuxstb sees ffmpeg are setting a high standard with their compulsory qualification tasks - http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Summer_Of_Code_2008 |
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| 01:09:29 | preglow | linuxstb: well, ffmpeg is notorious |
| 01:10:20 | preglow | all ffmpeg code seems to be thrown around for ages before it's commited, really does make our trying to merge wma fixed point stuff back look bleak |
| 01:10:41 | preglow | since it's bloody boring work, and they're extremely hard to please |
| 01:12:16 | JdGordon|uni | anyone still awake enough to comment on 8753? plugging the headphones back in after manully pausing playback shouldnt restart it? |
| 01:12:20 | scorche|sh | holy wow |
| 01:13:29 | preglow | JdGordon|uni: premise sounds good |
| 01:13:33 | preglow | then again, i hate that entire feature |
| 01:13:42 | preglow | well, hate is a strong word... |
| 01:17:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon|uni: I think you could argue for either behaviour... But like preglow, I avoid that feature, so don't care... |
| 01:18:49 | amiconn | grah |
| 01:20:08 | JdGordon|uni | yeah, I dont use the feature either, but the fix shuold be dead simple which is why im looking at it |
| 01:20:34 | amiconn | The build system needs a good kicking |
| 01:20:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon|uni: Maybe people who do use it should comment on the desired behaviour before you "fix" it? |
| 01:21:01 | JdGordon|uni | i was hoping for that with my message before |
| 01:21:54 | scorche|sh | anyone have any ideas on what should be done about qualification for our GSoC projects?...i do like the idea of an entry interview of sorts either here in IRC or on something like skype |
| 01:22:36 | JdGordon|uni | there was a bit of a discussion about that yesterday.. Bagder came up woth some questions for them |
| 01:23:01 | linuxstb | Aren't students encouraged to get to know the project in advance? i.e. if they hang around here for a while, we probably won't need interviews of any kind. |
| 01:23:06 | scorche|sh | sorry...i dont usually read the logs unless i get highlighted or some other such |
| 01:23:26 | JdGordon|uni | as long as they can already code in c and compile the source I think thats enough... |
| 01:23:52 | linuxstb | Plus not planning on a 3 month holiday... |
| 01:23:53 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: they are, but i wouldnt mind a bit more of an official interview or at least introduction/minimal questions about them and their proposed project |
| 01:23:54 | JdGordon|uni | it will really only be a problem when we ned to narrow down the projets we want to the 3 or 4 we might get |
| 01:24:26 | scorche|sh | especially as im sure there will be plenty of folk who wont come in here before they submit their projects |
| 01:24:34 | scorche|sh | although i would like to make that a requirement |
| 01:24:39 | * | svenVI happens to be interested in a soc project.... though doubts his idea is feasible. |
| 01:24:41 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: Then those are probably the kind of people we don't want... |
| 01:24:52 | linuxstb | svenVI: What's your idea? |
| 01:25:21 | svenVI | I want to hack around with an iPod Classic so that custom firmware can be run on it. |
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| 01:25:43 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: i can accept that some people may have some apprehensions about coming in here, but if we make it a requirement in bold bright letters on the ideas page or some such, they dont really have an excuse to not come in here |
| 01:25:54 | linuxstb | It would be great if google would pay you to crack Apple's encryption... ;) |
| 01:26:07 | scorche|sh | svenVI: unless you already have some success, i wouldnt suggest that as a GSoC project |
| 01:26:14 | svenVI | I was thinking they'd reject it on those grounds. :P |
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| 01:26:41 | scorche|sh | svenVI: reason being would be that it wouldnt be that fair to accept a project that we are not sure can be completed |
| 01:26:48 | linuxstb | Well, the project would just be described as "port to the ipod Classic". |
| 01:26:51 | amiconn | No Swede around to kick the build system, and still no method for committers to kick it remotely :( |
| 01:26:54 | * | amiconn sincerely hopes that he didn't break anything, as he won't be able to fix it during the next ~18 hours |
| 01:27:20 | svenVI | Yeah, I agree, I don't know what sort of work it would entail. I haven't begun researching the hardware differences yet. |
| 01:27:57 | svenVI | (GSoC or not, I was intending on doing that this summer anyways.) |
| 01:28:09 | kkurbjun | scorche, I liked the idea of having an entry test to make sure they can compile the code and present at least a demo plugin to verify they at least have the basic setup that we discussed at the SOC conference. |
| 01:28:14 | JdGordon|uni | amiconn: shouldnt it restart after 20min? |
| 01:28:16 | scorche|sh | honestly, unless you have lots of prior experience and already have at least some minor success, i dont see it being accepted as a GSoC project |
| 01:28:36 | scorche|sh | but dont let that stop you from working on it evne outside of GSoC =P |
| 01:28:53 | scorche|sh | kkurbjun: i did too, but i think that some sort of interview in here would do nicely |
| 01:28:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: Then it should have restarted quite a while ago from my 1st commit (around 45 minutes ago) |
| 01:29:21 | kkurbjun | I think that would be something that would be included with it |
| 01:29:24 | ali_as | svenVI, do you have much/any experience with encryption or protected chipsets? |
| 01:29:44 | svenVI | ali_as: I have none, I was going to start with this project. |
| 01:30:02 | scorche|sh | but definitely...new plugin hello-world-esque that could be done in less than an hour with some wiki searching on how to make a plugin would be fine |
| 01:30:13 | kkurbjun | at my job it's a pretty extensive interview process with 2 technical sections and a basic personality interview - I don't see why we wouldn't want to do something similar |
| 01:30:43 | scorche|sh | i dont see why we cant do a basic interview at the least |
| 01:30:56 | scorche|sh | either way, we should figure this out quickly :) |
| 01:31:11 | scorche|sh | on that note, /me -> home |
| 01:31:38 | ali_as | The iphone is being hacked on a regular basis, I wonder if any of those methods would apply to the ipod classic. |
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| 01:32:53 | Davide-NYC | Scalable Fonts in GSo page? |
| 01:32:58 | preglow | make |
| 01:32:59 | preglow | geh |
| 01:33:13 | linuxstb | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 01:33:19 | preglow | ali_as: more likely they apply to the ipod touch |
| 01:33:26 | Davide-NYC | What do you guys think of scalable fonts as a project? |
| 01:33:44 | * | Davide-NYC ducks behind his desk. |
| 01:33:57 | preglow | linuxstb: will you respond if i do "ls" too? :) |
| 01:34:12 | linuxstb | Sure, but I'm in an empty directory |
| 01:34:17 | preglow | Davide-NYC: would be cool if optimized enough |
| 01:34:21 | preglow | rm -rf / |
| 01:34:24 | preglow | :-) |
| 01:34:42 | krazykit | sorry, you're not root ;) |
| 01:34:43 | Davide-NYC | maybe it should be added to the GSoC wiki page? (I'm certainly not going to do it) |
| 01:35:07 | preglow | i don't really think we need it, though |
| 01:35:14 | preglow | i doubt any other mp3 players use scalable fonts |
| 01:35:48 | linuxstb | Maybe an SoC qualification code could be to submit a patch that optimises something - either for binsize or speed. |
| 01:36:16 | preglow | do we really need qualification tasks? |
| 01:36:17 | ali_as | That might be hard to judge. |
| 01:36:26 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, that could be a hard requirement for someone completely unfamiliar with the project |
| 01:36:55 | kkurbjun | preglow, the idea was just to make sure that they have at least a basic setup before we accept them, I think markuns student ran into that problem |
| 01:37:33 | preglow | if you can't get a basic setup in one day, you're either incompetent or not trying |
| 01:37:36 | preglow | i don't see it as a problem |
| 01:37:37 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Not really - it just shows they understand C, and Rockbox coding requires someone who understands those concepts. |
| 01:37:52 | linuxstb | (coding with limited resources) |
| 01:38:01 | * | amiconn thinks that at least some possible optimisations are easier to find for an "outsider" |
| 01:38:43 | kkurbjun | preglow, some students are simply going through the list of projects and applying to multiple ones, it would at least weed out people who are serious enought to setup a basic environment |
| 01:38:52 | ali_as | If you shave one cycle by implimenting a C function in assembler, have you really succeeded in optimising it though. |
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| 01:39:24 | preglow | kkurbjun: true enough |
| 01:39:50 | preglow | but really, i think qualification tasks should be specific, "optimize something" doesn't cut it |
| 01:40:02 | kkurbjun | linuxstb: I think it would defiantly be worthwhile if we have enough applicants |
| 01:40:15 | kkurbjun | enough to make the requirements more difficult that is |
| 01:40:42 | kkurbjun | we could even do something like take file x.c and optimize function y in a way that you see fit |
| 01:40:43 | linuxstb | preglow: My idea was just trying to find something one-step above "compile rockbox" |
| 01:40:56 | amiconn | ali_as: Beating gcc isn't hard, and often delivers significant performance gains, way more than just a few cycles |
| 01:40:59 | kkurbjun | and then evaluate their method |
| 01:41:13 | preglow | if you can't beat gcc on our targets, you'are also incompetent :) |
| 01:41:58 | linuxstb | I wasn't thinking of asm optimisation though - just finding code which could be more efficient (in C) |
| 01:42:09 | amiconn | That seems to be the case for all our target architectures in varying degree. Gcc might be harder to beat when it comes to x86 - but I have no experience with that |
| 01:42:13 | ali_as | amiconn, that wasn't my point. x10 speed increase over gcc is often possible, my point was that 'optimise' is rather a subjective goal. |
| 01:43:05 | kkurbjun | when can students start applying to projects? |
| 01:43:10 | ali_as | If the point is to make a modification that doesn't crash the system, and compile, then it is satisfactory. |
| 01:43:15 | ali_as | 24th. |
| 01:43:20 | kkurbjun | and when do interviews/acceptances take place? |
| 01:43:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, C code can often also be optimised (although often not as much, because gcc already tries to optimise a bit) |
| 01:44:19 | Davide-NYC | FWIW, I can compile RockBox and even modify the code *somewhat* and I am a moron. Vet these people. |
| 01:44:30 | ali_as | Algorithmic optimisation should always be the first step anyway. |
| 01:44:43 | * | amiconn 's first contributions to rockbox were in fact ASM optimisations |
| 01:45:20 | ali_as | That does not surprise me from your mov/orr solution :) |
| 01:45:41 | amiconn | Optimisations of what already was assemblerised, that is. And I learned SH ASM while doing it |
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| 01:45:56 | amiconn | ali_as: Back then we had no ARM targets, only SH1 |
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| 01:46:09 | ali_as | SH, is that a hitachi chip? |
| 01:46:14 | SSnake | yes |
| 01:46:14 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:46:44 | SSnake | and it should be called assembly, but nobody cares these days |
| 01:46:51 | SSnake | :P |
| 01:47:29 | ali_as | Not met an SH chip yet. |
| 01:47:34 | kkurbjun | ffmpeg's qualification tasks are pretty extensive: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Summer_Of_Code_2008 |
| 01:47:42 | preglow | make |
| 01:47:45 | preglow | arhg!! |
| 01:47:53 | preglow | i hate windows :/ |
| 01:47:53 | linuxstb | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 01:48:48 | kkurbjun | I like this one: take an existing patch and make it suitable for inclusion in SVN |
| 01:48:56 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I was just about to suggest that... |
| 01:49:01 | kkurbjun | they picked a specific patch that was nearly ready to be included |
| 01:49:05 | ali_as | amiconn, were you an acorn nut btw? |
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| 01:49:28 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: But it would need us to go through and select patches that were (in theory) suitable for inclusion, and comment on them. |
| 01:49:38 | amiconn | ali_as: hmm? |
| 01:49:45 | kkurbjun | yep, how close are some? |
| 01:49:53 | kkurbjun | I don't keep up on the tracker |
| 01:49:56 | ali_as | Owner of an archimedes for example. |
| 01:50:00 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Nor do I... |
| 01:50:05 | kkurbjun | there's that NES plugin, has anyone looked at that |
| 01:50:16 | linuxstb | Did that actually make it as far as a patch? |
| 01:50:25 | kkurbjun | I think so.. |
| 01:50:37 | linuxstb | There are probably plugins that still need adapting to some newer targets... |
| 01:51:13 | amiconn | ali_as: Ah, that's what you mean. Nope, never even saw one |
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| 01:51:19 | kkurbjun | yep, it's in here :http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2911?histring=NES |
| 01:51:48 | kkurbjun | it died in october though so it may be a way off from even compiling |
| 01:52:02 | * | amiconn started with a ZX Spectrum, later had an Amiga |
| 01:52:25 | ali_as | The Amiga was always the arch rival to the Archimedes. |
| 01:52:27 | amiconn | I did code some Z80 asm on the Spectrum, but didn't code much at all on the Amiga |
| 01:52:40 | kkurbjun | the doom scrollwheel patch could be one actually |
| 01:52:51 | kkurbjun | that should be pretty trivial |
| 01:52:59 | kkurbjun | and I would be happy to answer questions |
| 01:53:10 | ali_as | I dabbled with the 6502 on the BBC B, but that was a horrible thing to program in assembler. |
| 01:53:35 | ali_as | ARM was the first assembler I learned properly, really friendly. |
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| 01:53:50 | preglow | bedtime |
| 01:53:50 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: I quite like that idea - and it serves a useful purpose as well.. |
| 01:54:28 | ali_as | You could also mix assembler and BASIC, which is genius. |
| 01:54:56 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, it could also be interesting to see if a potential student is willig to contact us to ask for feedback |
| 01:55:07 | kkurbjun | it would be nice to have someone who is open to communicate |
| 01:55:42 | SSnake | you make me remember endless nights lost peeking and poking hex values without an assembler on my C64... ARGHH |
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| 01:56:47 | ali_as | Outch. |
| 01:56:57 | * | amiconn ->sleep |
| 01:57:06 | ali_as | Gnite amiconn. |
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| 02:09:45 | ashes | do any of you have a lot of expirence encoding video for iriver h300's? |
| 02:10:00 | ashes | i'm doing fairly well with trial and error |
| 02:10:45 | ashes | but there are some glitches... sometimes the video freezes for a couple seconds, or it goes haywire for a bit |
| 02:10:53 | ashes | the audio never skips and is very good |
| 02:11:07 | ashes | i'm using mpeg1 and mp2/192k |
| 02:11:30 | ashes | even if i tone down the video bitrate to 150, there are still glitches |
| 02:12:05 | ashes | i have a lot of video i want to encode, and i want to perfect it before i encode everything i have |
| 02:12:31 | ashes | i'm encoding from authentic/original dvd source |
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| 02:13:14 | Llorean | ashes: Have you tried simply using the ffmpeg parameters from the WinFF presets on the wiki? |
| 02:13:42 | ashes | ive been using mplayer, with help from the wiki |
| 02:13:51 | ashes | mencoder |
| 02:14:45 | ashes | the wiki example for mencoder works well, but not perfectly |
| 02:15:36 | Llorean | What framerate are you encoding at? |
| 02:15:50 | scorche|sh | i was thinking of something a good bit simpler for the qualification task...just mainly set up a compiling environment, make a very simple (hello world-esque) plugin and compile...involves a few things and we can probably judge a good bit of how capable they are beyond that from an interview |
| 02:15:59 | ashes | fps? |
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| 02:17:30 | ashes | fps is set to 25, but its actually getting between 9 and 12 fps duing encoding |
| 02:17:39 | JdGordon|uni | Llorean: do you use the headphone pause feature? |
| 02:19:34 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: Nope |
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| 02:19:52 | Llorean | ashes: That's the encode speed, completely unrelated to the playback speed. Try setting to 20 fps. |
| 02:26:18 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: IMO, if you don't want it to unpause on insert, stop it instead. :-P |
| 02:27:00 | * | JdGordon|uni just wants to decide how to close the patch... its a simple fix if it is indeed worth fixing |
| 02:27:59 | Llorean | In all seriousness, I see how it could go either way. This is one case, I wouldn't mind a forum poll (or ML poll) just to see what the users want. |
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| 02:42:40 | JdGordon|uni | ive put it on the dev ml, i guess the forums would be good also |
| 02:42:42 | * | JdGordon|uni stas away from the user ml :p |
| 02:42:57 | Llorean | Probably the wisest plan. |
| 02:43:00 | Llorean | They're very touchy there |
| 02:43:16 | Llorean | Even when I try to be very polite, *and* answer the question, if I even hint that their might be guidelines they chew me out. |
| 02:44:10 | JdGordon|uni | UI or general? |
| 02:46:12 | Llorean | Let's go General |
| 02:46:29 | Llorean | I'd almost even classify it Playback, but General is probably better for getting attention on this one |
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| 03:38:13 | zwj | could i port rockbox as an Application to the OpenMoko platform |
| 03:38:48 | krazykit | zwj, certainly you could. the simulator uses SDL, which OpenMoko presumably has |
| 03:40:26 | zwj | make rockbox can run in the sdl is ok? |
| 03:41:10 | scorche | the sim already uses SDL...you just need to adapt it to OpenMoko |
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| 05:33:25 | lymeca | What video formats can Rockbox play on 5th gen iPods? |
| 05:33:44 | cool_walking_ | MPEG1/2 |
| 05:35:17 | cool_walking_ | See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
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| 06:44:50 | pikhq | Congrats on getting Google SoC slots. |
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| 07:30:40 | amiconn | LinusN: The build system didn't pick up 2 commits at least, and they also don't appear on the frontpage... |
| 07:30:55 | LinusN | oh, badness |
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| 07:40:49 | LinusN | for some reason, the svn update was stuck since yesterday... |
| 07:41:06 | amiconn | That already happened several times iirc |
| 07:41:23 | * | amiconn is kinda annoyed by those repeated build system failures |
| 07:41:30 | LinusN | me too |
| 07:43:02 | amiconn | You never know whether the next commit works, and if none of you 3 is around, it may be that the committer doesn't have time to fix eventual problems when the build system is working again |
| 07:43:26 | LinusN | exactly |
| 07:44:18 | amiconn | And you also don't see what delta your commit caused if several commits queued up meanwhile |
| 07:44:36 | LinusN | that too |
| 07:46:24 | amiconn | Will you kick off a build? |
| 07:46:33 | LinusN | working on it |
| 07:48:12 | LinusN | building... |
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| 07:54:12 | LinusN | amiconn: booooh! red! :-) |
| 07:55:00 | amiconn | Yeah, forgot to commit one file, it seems... |
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| 09:03:22 | GodEater | has anyone come up with a plan for things a potential gsoc student must be able to do to be accepted yet ? |
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| 09:11:04 | Llorean | Maybe we should just ask for a resume, or whatever you Euro folks call such a thing. :-P |
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| 09:11:16 | Llorean | I mean, their qualifications will somewhat depend on what task they undertake |
| 09:11:39 | Llorean | New port requires somewhat different skills than Rockbox as an app which is somewhat different from usability study and redesign |
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| 09:15:03 | GodEater | Llorean: I was just looking at the ideas pages for a few of the other accepted organisations |
| 09:15:15 | GodEater | and the xmbc one includes a list of things you should be able to do |
| 09:15:15 | Llorean | Yeah? |
| 09:15:26 | GodEater | and mostly, apart from their language of choice being C++ |
| 09:15:29 | GodEater | it looks a good fit |
| 09:15:50 | Llorean | I'm clearly tired, because when I first read that sentence, I thought you were saying they were all things *I* should be able to do. :-P |
| 09:15:54 | GodEater | http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Google_Summer_of_Code_2008 |
| 09:15:58 | Llorean | A basic list would be good, though, yes. |
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| 09:16:13 | GodEater | haha - yes, not your personally |
| 09:16:19 | GodEater | s/your/you |
| 09:16:39 | Llorean | Yeah, that looks like a very good list. |
| 09:16:55 | Llorean | I'm not sure I agree with that last one. |
| 09:17:28 | GodEater | not entirely no |
| 09:17:41 | GodEater | if you can have one which still gives a good level of commitment it wouldn't bother me so much |
| 09:17:57 | Llorean | Rent still needs to be paid, etc, etc. And as long as they'll have the 35 hours / week, I don't mind if they're spending another 20 or more delivering pizzas, filing papers, or whatever other job they have as a student. |
| 09:18:12 | Llorean | The key is "have X hours a week" and "be able to do the work" |
| 09:18:12 | GodEater | yeah, no issues with that here either |
| 09:19:28 | LinusN | still, it doesn't hurt if the applicant really want the feature to be implemented properly, rather than just complete the project |
| 09:19:45 | LinusN | if you see the difference |
| 09:20:03 | Llorean | One possibility is that we could just, rather than requiring "a patch", require that applicants include with their application their own proof of qualification relating to Rockbox, and let them decide the specifics (with suggestions such as "patch" or "documentation showing what you've researched already into this project, showing you're aware of the tasks and difficulty" or whatnot) |
| 09:20:17 | GodEater | you mean write good quality code, rather than "aim to finish inside the deadline" ? |
| 09:20:20 | Llorean | LinusN: I agree, the applicant should be invested in the project. |
| 09:20:31 | LinusN | GodEater: something like that |
| 09:21:19 | Llorean | I especially like the "Project Tasks and Deliverables: Break your project into tasks or pieces. Describe in detail what you plan to accomplish and what the results will be." part of their application |
| 09:21:48 | GodEater | this quick check on their page also revealed that XBMC now works on linux too - which is interesting in itself :D |
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| 10:04:36 | Llorean | Bagder: Could we get a "These builds are generated from actively developed source, and at times may be buggy or unusable. We appreciate your feedback on any issues you may encounter." to the current build page? (Or something similar) |
| 10:05:24 |
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