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#rockbox log for 2008-03-19

00:01:18midgeyKlevi: I hacked up the rockboy lcd code a bit to support the 4th gen. I never got it to a stage where I thought it was ready to be committed. I believe it's somewhere on the tracker
00:02:03midgeyah yes, FS #7546
00:03:00midgeyi think i'll spend some time after finals to get it in a committable state and then commit it to svn
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00:03:31Klevimidgey: I could try compileing it myself though?
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00:04:02midgeyKlevi: sure, like i said the patch is on the tracker
00:04:21Klevi*nods* okay. I'll try it.
00:04:45midgeyi'd expect it to still apply cleanly; i don't think there have been any changes to rockboy since i posted the patch
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00:04:58Klevi*nods again*
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00:16:46linuxstb_amiconn: Have you seen the 1g ROM dump?
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00:17:29amiconnThat was quick...
00:17:34*amiconn fetches the dump
00:18:10linuxstb_Seems to be missing the HwVr block that the other images have...
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00:20:36pixelmais someone else able to view the diffs from the svn tables, for me it tries to open the page but after a while stops...
00:21:14bluebrotherpixelma: on the front page? Works for me.
00:21:16amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, and the HwId is ascii
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00:21:56*amiconn wonders how to handle that special rom... :/
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00:22:10pixelmabluebrother: yes, I meant the frontpage (also "last 12 months")
00:22:45*bluebrother discovers a stupid error upon his last commit
00:22:46pixelmaah, works again now, seems like complaining aloud helped...
00:22:55Klevi_busyLol
00:23:07crzyboysterThe picture of the mrobe 100 on the builds pages http://www.rockbox.org/playerpics/mrobe100-small.png looks too 2D... and all the others have a more clip-arty look to them.
00:23:23bluebrotherdoing commits half-asleep isn't a good idea at all ... :(
00:23:52bluebrothercrzyboyster: we don't have a svg (which is the base for the others) for the mrobe yet
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00:24:18scorche|shbluebrother: svgs are the base for the others?
00:24:43scorche|shoh...heh..ignore me
00:24:47pixelmabluebrother: could it be that tex doesn't like "\opt" broken into 2 lines?
00:24:51bluebrotheryes. The svgs from the manual are used to create pdf and png images
00:24:56*scorche|sh was thinking back to when we had actual images
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00:25:26crzyboysterDid someone crop the edges of the mrobe pic?
00:25:39bluebrotherat some point I scaled non-labelled images down for the website
00:25:48scorche|shcrzyboyster: it will be fixed..
00:26:05bluebrotherthe mrobe manual also lacks the button labels. We need an svg ...
00:26:14crzyboysterMy bad...
00:26:19linuxstb_amiconn: There is another way to get the hw revision though...
00:26:23bluebrotherpixelma: it should work as long as the braces are balanced
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00:26:28amiconnlinuxstb: oh?
00:26:45pixelmabluebrother: there must be another reason, trying to find out why the virtual keyboard button table doesn't work in the c200 manual (anymore, I think)
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00:27:15bluebrotherpixelma: in svn?
00:27:22Dindojulamiconn: hi did you found my file?
00:27:36linuxstb_amiconn: The Apple bootloader places a "sysinfo" struct at the end of IRAM. Rockbox should be saving this and restoring it for Rolo to work with the original firmware. I tried some hacks to test it a while ago, and it didn't fix rolo'ing the original firmware, but it did seem to get a little further.
00:27:40Klevi_busypixelma: You mean for typing a file name out type scenario?
00:28:01amiconnDindojul: Yes, looking at it right now...
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00:28:15pixelmabluebrother: yes, you can see it in the online manual (or rather not see the table). I'm quite sure I committed a patch once that enabled it...
00:28:17linuxstb_amiconn: If you have a copy of the ipodlinux SVN, there's some code to process it in tools/ipodloader2/ipodhw.c
00:29:22crzyboysterShouldn't the "M:Robe 100" be called the "m:robe 100" pretty much everywhere on the site? Even Olympus has it in lowercase > http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_product_robe.asp?product=1145
00:29:26amiconnThe question is whether this old ROM fills this struct
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00:33:35crzyboysterWhat does everyone think of the "m:robe:100" change idea?
00:33:50*shotofadds thinks getting tick tasks working on the D2 is progress enough for one day and goes to bed...
00:33:52bluebrothercrzyboyster: patience ...
00:34:40crzyboysterAs in what? Wait for people to respond?
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00:35:10amiconnlinuxstb: I think doing the same in rockbox sounds like a good idea
00:35:15bluebrotheryup
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00:37:04bluebrotherbesides, we should unify the usage of names in general. The manual uses Ipod while the front page iPod
00:37:08amiconnlinuxstb: Maybe we should just not touch the last 256 bytes of iram on ipods?
00:37:29bluebrothersimilar for iAudio vs. Iaudio etc.
00:37:51linuxstb_amiconn: That seems sensible (and simpler than copying it somewhere else).
00:37:59*amiconn thinks we should use the manufacturer's spelling
00:38:08amiconnThat is, iPod and iAudio, but Iriver
00:38:25bluebrotherIIRC Iriver was changed to iriver later
00:38:56bluebrotherthere was some discussion about this during the beginnings of the LaTeX manual
00:38:59*linuxstb_ remembers a long debate about Ipod/iPod...
00:39:08pixelmaI'm all for just typing everything with the first character uppercase, just like every name...
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00:39:43*scorche|sh votes for using manufacturer's spelling except in cases like the wiki page names where it is impossible
00:39:49linuxstb_pixelma: I agree - "iPod" is just silly...
00:40:12scorche|shif that is what they call it, then that is what it is...
00:40:15amiconnlinuxstb: Otoh, iram is more valuable than sdram
00:40:56pixelmascorche|sh: and what is with iRiver vs. iriver (I think that was how they changed, I could be wrong but there were changes)
00:41:01*linuxstb_ suggests writing the whole manual in capital letters to avoid this issue
00:41:12Klevi_busyLol
00:41:21scorche|shpixelma: afaik, iriver is now correct
00:41:21bluebrotherlinuxstb_: why not use lower case letters only? ;-)
00:41:39linuxstb_bluebrother: That could work as well ;)
00:42:03bluebrotherfollowing the manufacturers spelling would require us to change our spelling every time the manufacturer chooses to change it.
00:42:12linuxstb_Hence the \dap macro...
00:42:32bluebrotheryep, that makes such things much easier.
00:43:10bluebrotherbut regardless of the way we write it it should be consistent. I.e. the website should follow the same convention as the manual
00:43:22*bluebrother got used to write "Ipod"
00:43:32scorche|shthey dont change *that* often
00:43:54scorche|shsed would be handy as well (depending on what it is run on)
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00:46:34bluebrotheryes ... my major point is that we should be consistent.
00:46:59scorche|shi agree..
00:47:29linuxstb_We _were_ consistent, but it seems the wiki has been gradually changed to become inconsistent...
00:47:42linuxstb_(someone didn't get the memo)
00:48:17*scorche|sh looks around for Marc
00:48:19bluebrotheroh, at least parts of the arguments are at LatexGuidelinesTalk
00:48:23pixelmayes, that's the first discussion I remember (talking to LambdaCalculus here)
00:48:58bluebrotherI don't think the front page followed the conventions we had set up for the manual at all
00:49:14pixelmachanging some Iaudios to iAUDIOS (which IMO even looks ugly... sorry couldn't resist)
00:49:39bluebrotheriAUDIOS?
00:50:01crzyboysterYes, the manufactur's name in this case...
00:50:11pixelmawithout the "s"...
00:50:20bluebrotherurgh.
00:50:31crzyboysterIt's a give and take situation
00:50:42linuxstb_crzyboyster: The issue is that we don't accept that manufacturers can change the rules of English...
00:50:43crzyboysterAnd yes, iAUDIO looks ugly beyond anything
00:50:45scorche|shurgh indeed...but technically, iAUDIO *is* correct
00:51:17pixelmascorche|sh: not if you only use it as name :P
00:51:18bluebrotherscorche|sh: thread hijacking? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15941.msg119559#msg119559
00:51:20crzyboysterWell, they're the manufacturers... if they didn't make the players, we wouldn't have had rockbox on it, would be have?
00:51:31linuxstb_crzyboyster: So?
00:51:33BigBambiAnd?
00:51:52scorche|shbluebrother: eh?
00:51:53bluebrothercrzyboyster: that doesn't require us to follow their stupid name writing "philosophy"
00:52:10crzyboysterIt's their naming choice. (Sorry, wow I started a fire)
00:52:16*linuxstb_ won't mention that the wiki writes LaTeX... ;)
00:52:23bluebrotherscorche|sh: should I consider this hijacking? It has nothing to do with the original thread
00:52:30scorche|shpixelma: eh...they get to pick their own name..if it is their choice then who are we to say they are wrong?
00:52:42*bluebrother points linuxstb_ to \LaTeX{} ;-)
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00:54:11scorche|shbluebrother: as it says in his signature, he is 11...but yes, he could use a scolding and an urging not to ask for "hacks" and to create new threads
00:54:47bluebrotherwell, I could also add to my sig that I'm 11 ... IMO that tells nothing.
00:55:41scorche|shi was just saying that to indicate it was likely non-malicious
00:56:13scorche|shand it is just a kid who needs to be told how things work 'round these parts
00:56:52bluebrotherhasn't he been told this a couple of times already?
00:57:37scorche|shlikely...we may need to be a bit harsher in the future on him if this continues..
00:57:39LloreanI don't think he's been explained the nature of "on-topic" though
00:57:51bluebrotherbut I might be as well be a bit too tired for good judgement here.
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00:58:01LloreanWith younger people, you're probably going to need to cover each new rule violation from scratch.
00:58:22*bluebrother sighs
00:58:49crzyboysterI'm under the age of say, 16... and I guess I do need a few pointers every now and then
00:58:49Klevi_busybrb
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00:58:52LloreanThen again, I'm pretty sure when registering for the Rockbox forums you agree that you're 13+
00:59:14crzyboysterI'm above 13...
00:59:17scorche|shLlorean: that is true
00:59:32LloreanSo he really shouldn't be on our forums
00:59:41bluebrotherwhy the 13+? Is there a special reason for choosing 13?
00:59:46scorche|shUS law
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00:59:56*scorche|sh tries to rmemeber the acronym
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01:00:18bluebrotherwhat does the law tell? You must not use internet forums if less than 13?
01:00:36roolkubluebrother: what do you mean by missing button labels? http://haxx.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-mrobe100/rockbox_interface/images/mrobe100-front.png
01:00:46scorche|shCOPPA
01:00:48scorche|shthats it
01:00:58bluebrothera bit OT: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20080227.jpg ;-)
01:01:08bluebrotherhow good our forums aren't that way
01:01:10*BigBambi goes to google COPPA
01:01:14pixelmascorche|sh: what's wrong in spelling a name just as a usual name, not like the manufacturer tries to. I don't think it's telling them they are wrong, it's just neutral... (not a strong opinion here and not a native speaker)
01:02:08bluebrotherroolku: interesting -- the last time I looked those were missing.
01:02:17bluebrotherseems I overlooked something.
01:02:45Lloreanbluebrother: You can't register for any website if you're below 13 without consent from your parents, which pretty much has to take the form of a written signed letter.
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01:02:53scorche|shpixelma: i just look at it as if our name was RockBoX, i would like that to be respected and called as we intended...on reviews and popular sites, i would attempt to correct spellings to how we named it
01:03:21bluebrotherLlorean: ok, thanks for the info
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01:04:11Lloreanbluebrother: It's a "Child protection" thing. Online predators, etc.
01:05:11scorche|shLlorean: well, we have an excuse for a permanent ban then should we need it..
01:05:34bluebrotherok ... but shouldn't we then address the fact that he claims to be under the required age?
01:05:41bluebrotheri.e. pm him about this?
01:05:49scorche|shtechnically, yes
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01:07:28FebsI suspect that since he no longer has an iPod and now has a Sansa Clip for which no "hacks" are available, he won't be on the forum much more anyway.
01:07:52bluebrotherI'll leave that for our forum admins and go for some sleep now :)
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01:12:08LloreanI'll "notice" it if he continues posting problematically, I suppose.
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01:30:52KleviI have a heads up to those that itd concern about Mpeg player, Winff's download for version .291 has been moved.
01:31:07Kleviits no longer found on biggmatt.com
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01:32:33pixelmachanging things in one tree and compiling in the other won't show me if they have an effect... too tired, one can tell... night
01:32:50KleviNight pixelma
01:33:08linuxstb_pixelma: You're not the first to do that...
01:33:08KleviWinffs download page is here: http://www.winff.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=60
01:33:54pixelmalinuxstb: thanks :)
01:34:23Klevi.. Runtime errors.. fun
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01:37:50amiconngrah
01:38:22amiconnSame thing as yesterday - build system doesn't pick up a commit :(
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01:49:54Klevihm
01:50:28KleviDoes anyone know what a proper sample rate would be for Audio Conversion to MPEG2 (Winff)
01:51:53linuxstb_What device are you running Rockbox on?
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01:52:22amiconnmepgplayer resamples, so any rate should work
01:52:35KleviIpod 4th gen grayscale
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01:53:41KleviWinff says, this --> http://www.pastebin.ca/948305
01:54:26KleviI tried leaveing it blank, as well. said that value was also invalid for Mpeg 2
01:55:16cool_walking_I just use 44100
01:55:25linuxstb_Rockbox will resample it to 44100, so you may as well use that...
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01:57:22Klevithere we go, converting.
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02:40:31JdGordonanyone got a good name (thats not playlist) for .m3u files?
02:40:52JdGordonor a better name than playlist for the "current playlist"?
02:41:38Klevihm
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02:41:49cool_walking_Current queued tracks?
02:41:51Klevitry Songs I like.m3u
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02:42:00cool_walking_I don'
02:42:06cool_walking_t thing that's what he's asking...
02:42:08KleviSongs i listen to with half an ear.m3u <- Lol
02:42:36KleviOh
02:42:43JdGordonyeah, im talking about what the file is.. not what to name it
02:42:48KleviSorry
02:42:49Klevi^^
02:42:57JdGordonplaylists is nice and generic, but we need a way to tell which we are tlaking about
02:44:50cool_walking_maybe qualify "playlist" with something... "m3u playlist" vs "(I can't think of another word than) current playlist"
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02:45:43JdGordonits too long though
02:46:00JdGordonneed this in the code... having more than 1 name is irritating
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02:50:41cool_walking_schedule, programme, sequence, etc. all sound terrible..
02:51:22cool_walking_Can you coin a word? :)
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03:12:19webguest88Hi all....a stupid question for a gigabeat owner out there.....does the F40 remote work in an F20?????
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03:42:38webguest20hi guys....just wondering if someone has tried to use the gigabeat F40 remote with the F20?????
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03:43:29krazykitwebguest20, i believe it should work fine.
03:44:27webguest20sweet......Im gonna go find out how much they are......thanks......questions been on my mind for quite a while now......
03:53:31Beta2KThere's no internal differences between the F gigabeats
03:53:37Beta2K(within reason)
03:54:19Beta2KSo a accessory for a F series Gigabeat should work with all of them
03:55:17Beta2KWith the exception of someone building something that can only fit a F10/20 as they are not as thick as the F40/60 due to only having one platter in the HD vs 2 in the F40/60
03:55:45hd2
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03:58:20Davide-NYCHey yo, congrats on the m:robe 100 port!
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04:11:46swimmerhi all
04:12:14swimmerall in a sudden rockbox stops to start if I try to switch on my iriver H340 ...
04:12:38swimmerI have to plug in the AC-adapter and press the start button to get the IRiver booted at all
04:12:52swimmerbut it boots the iriver software :-/
04:13:26swimmerto get the rockbox bootloader I have to plug in the USB-cable and then switch on the player ...
04:13:34swimmerstrange
04:13:34swimmer?!?!
04:14:30Beta2KCan you cold-boot the iRiver?
04:14:48Beta2K(I don't have one, I know I need to coldboot my Gigabeat if I muck with the bootloader)
04:15:05swimmerwhat do you mean with cold-boot?
04:15:15Beta2KTurn the batery off
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04:15:24Beta2KOr remove it
04:15:37Beta2Kand put it back/turn it on again
04:15:52swimmerhmpf - I have to open it then again :-/
04:16:11scorcheBeta2K: they have a reset button
04:16:19Beta2KOooh, nifty :)
04:16:24swimmernot tonight then - I'm very tired and a bit drunk ... so I'll better do that tomorrow ;-)
04:16:34swimmerbut It used to wrok guys
04:16:39Beta2KPush the reset button then :)
04:16:40swimmerit stopped all in a sudden
04:17:12Beta2KIf it's being put to sleep tho rather then turned off it could be waking in a weird state
04:18:28swimmerpushed the reset button (while switched on in iriver sw) to no avail
04:18:46swimmerit's switched off now and I can't switch it on ...
04:19:32*Beta2K heads off to the Rockbox iRiver manual
04:20:14swimmerI tried to reinstall the while package (bootloader + rockbox) with rbutil but it asks me for some firmware ...
04:20:28swimmernot sure what I should provide though :-/
04:22:43Beta2KYour record button isn't stuck is it?
04:23:39Beta2KThat's what it sounds like from the boot sequence...
04:24:33Beta2KIf you boot with a USB cable connected it becomes a USB mass storage device, if Rec is held it boots the iRiver firmware, otherwise it boots into Rockbox
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04:26:05swimmerhmm - didn't check that
04:26:17swimmerbut at least I got rbutil doing it's job now
04:26:57swimmerI downloaded the latest firmware (H300-1.29-KR.hex) and provided that to the updater and it worked
04:27:05swimmernow I have to reboot I guess ...
04:27:44swimmerstill nothing :-/
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04:29:54Beta2KBut it boots to the bootloader USB mode?
04:30:58swimmerwithout AC-adapter no
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04:31:47swimmerif I plug in USB without AC-adapter I see very shortly the white (rockbox) display and then nothing
04:33:09Beta2KBut with the AC adaptor it goes to the USB mode or into Rockbox?
04:34:25swimmerif I plug in USB with AC-adapter it goes into the USB mode of the iriver software
04:35:01Beta2KWeird
04:35:06swimmeryep
04:35:17swimmerit's very weird since it used to work ...
04:35:19Beta2KAfter you loaded the firmware the last time did you hit reset?
04:36:01swimmerI loaded the firmware last time when I first installed rockbox (2 years ago)
04:36:08swimmerdidn't touch it since then
04:36:20swimmeruntil now (while talking to you) ...
04:36:40swimmerfirmware == H300.hex ?
04:36:51Beta2KBootloader actually :)
04:38:19swimmerthe bootloader sits in $IRIVER/.rockbox/build correct?
04:38:27Beta2Knope
04:38:30swimmerand the firmware is H300.hex?
04:38:40Beta2KThe bootloader is flashed into the players memory
04:39:38Beta2Kthe firmware is the .rockbox folder
04:40:13swimmerah ok
04:40:19swimmerso what is H300.hex?
04:40:38Beta2KI'm not sure
04:41:01Beta2Kbootloader-H300.bin is the RB patched bootloader
04:41:11Beta2Kfrom http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/
04:41:35swimmerso I should use this one ?
04:41:57Beta2KHow about you go through the install instructions from
04:41:59Beta2Khttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
04:42:13Beta2KJust to make sure the bootloader is installed correctly
04:42:34Beta2KI've got to get myself to sleep, my son will be up any time now
04:43:17Beta2KSorry I can't help much more
04:43:29swimmeryou helped already
04:43:33swimmermany thanks for that!
04:45:19Beta2KNP
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04:58:57Davide-NYCWhere can I find a good picture of the insides of a sansa c200?
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05:01:49swimmerno way to get it working now :-/
05:02:05swimmerI better go to sleep and try it again tomorrow ...
05:04:01LloreanDavide-NYC: If we have any of them, they should be linked from the c200 port's wiki page
05:04:32Davide-NYCnothing there :(
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07:39:12amiconnMorning LinusN
07:39:19LinusNmorning
07:39:26amiconnGot my message? Same problem as yesterday... :(
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