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| 00:03:46 | piga | I think my mp3player is not supported |
| 00:03:51 | piga | But I can buy one if needed |
| 00:04:04 | dcbahr | that always hlps |
| 00:04:08 | gevaerts | Which one do you have ? |
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| 00:05:41 | Exclamation | i have a 30g ipod video, i cant get rockbox to go into usb mode |
| 00:06:21 | piga | It is a generic. It is made in my country. |
| 00:06:38 | gevaerts | Exclamation: you are aware that rockbox doesn't yet have a working usb mode itself ? |
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| 00:07:42 | Exclamation | by usb mode i meant so that my computer can mount it |
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| 00:07:56 | piga | How do you test the builds? Is there a simulation platform? |
| 00:08:26 | gevaerts | Exclamation: yes. That's what's usually meant. |
| 00:08:35 | Llorean | Exclamation: Have you tried manually rebooting into the apple firmware? |
| 00:08:53 | Exclamation | Llorean: yes, it works with the apple firmware |
| 00:09:07 | Llorean | piga: What do you mean "test"? There a UI simulator, for testing non-hardware things. |
| 00:09:19 | gevaerts | piga: there are simulators that are mostly used for testing gui work, but hardware-level testing happens on the actual players |
| 00:09:21 | Llorean | Exclamation: Well, since Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode, you're supposed to use the apple software for now. |
| 00:10:30 | Exclamation | It was working yesterday, when i plugged in the cable a usb image showed up on the screen |
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| 00:10:46 | Llorean | Exclamation: Are you using an official buidl? |
| 00:10:48 | Llorean | build |
| 00:10:52 | Exclamation | yes |
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| 00:11:28 | gevaerts | piga: for normal rockbox builds, that's safe (for normal changes...), testing bootloader builds can be risky on some platforms |
| 00:12:02 | Llorean | Exclamation: If you downloaded one of the SVN builds, it should never have connected without automatically rebooting into the Apple Disk Mode. |
| 00:12:47 | gevaerts | Exclamation: hmm. Is it possible for system_reboot() to fail (and therefore return and continue) on ipod ? |
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| 00:13:05 | gevaerts | Exclamation: sorry. That question was meant for general developers, not for you |
| 00:13:47 | gevaerts | Other people: Is it possible for system_reboot() to fail (and therefore return and continue) on ipod ? |
| 00:13:59 | Exclamation | Llorean: i guess it was rebooting into apple disk mode |
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| 00:14:29 | gevaerts | Exclamation: so it showed the USB image and then rebooted ? |
| 00:14:37 | Exclamation | gevaerts: yeah |
| 00:14:46 | gevaerts | OK. That's what it's meant to do currently |
| 00:15:00 | Exclamation | yes, its not doing that now when i plug it in |
| 00:15:26 | Exclamation | it just stays on the menu |
| 00:15:31 | DefineByte | Just wondering, does rbutil try using volume size to guess the mount point? |
| 00:15:36 | Exclamation | and a small icon shows up beside the battery |
| 00:15:49 | gevaerts | Exclamation: Did you upgrade, or is it still the same version ? |
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| 00:16:22 | markun | gevaerts: I just found this http://web.interware.hu/rudas/dbalatoni/S5L840F.pdf |
| 00:16:51 | Exclamation | gevaerts: i did a reinstall, i think its the same version though |
| 00:16:56 | markun | a lot of the addresses are the same as the ones from the S5L8700 and hopefully they function in the same way as well |
| 00:18:20 | gevaerts | Exclamation: what version is it exactly ? You can find that in System->Rockbox Info |
| 00:18:32 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: No, system_reboot (on ipods at least) shouldn't fail |
| 00:19:08 | gevaerts | linuxstb_: thanks. I had ruled out that possibility on other grounds, but it's still good to know |
| 00:19:52 | linuxstb_ | gevaerts: Checking the code, there's a while(1) at the end - so the worst that can happen is that it freezes there |
| 00:20:51 | Exclamation | gevaerts: i just downgraded to r16717M-080319 and its working again. so i must have upgraded when i reinstalled |
| 00:21:00 | gevaerts | markun: one problem: this one doesn't seem to do USB 2.0. |
| 00:21:12 | markun | gevaerts: not USB no |
| 00:21:55 | markun | so lets hope some other datasheet like the S3C2443X match for that |
| 00:22:31 | gevaerts | Exclamation: Thanks. That means I made a mistake somewhere today. I'll fix it as soon as possible. |
| 00:23:47 | Exclamation | gevaerts: np, thanks for your help. |
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| 00:24:55 | markun | gevaerts: but I guess it's useful for RTC, interrupts, DMA etc |
| 00:25:36 | gevaerts | markun: probably. And I guess if we have to choose between USB and all the rest, the choice is clear |
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| 00:25:47 | markun | :) |
| 00:25:55 | gevaerts | USB of course :) |
| 00:25:59 | markun | we'll figure it all out eventually |
| 00:26:16 | markun | maybe kgb2008 comes up with the datasheet next week ;) |
| 00:26:51 | * | gevaerts grabs his ipod |
| 00:28:30 | * | amiconn mrfs |
| 00:28:48 | amiconn | This spinup at each track change is really annoying |
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| 00:31:14 | Hodapp | I get a bit of that too . . . I just get really annoyed when I have to wait like 20 seconds while it spins the disk up and does whatever it's doing while I try to change tracks. |
| 00:31:40 | dcbahr | ok so it's not just me where it does that with the spinup, it makes fast navigation damned near impossible |
| 00:31:41 | amiconn | That's not what I mean |
| 00:31:49 | gevaerts | markun: did you manage to run code already ? |
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| 00:32:31 | gevaerts | Hodapp, dcbahr : do you have dircache enabled ? |
| 00:32:37 | saratoga | piga: I added the arm emulator idea |
| 00:32:40 | amiconn | Rockbox spins up the disk at track change when playing continuously, even if there are several tracks in buffer |
| 00:32:49 | Hodapp | gevaerts: how does one tell? |
| 00:32:50 | dcbahr | but right now i'm stuck with the spelling of filenames because of some error in the script, even thenough I reinstalled the zip file, I don't get it |
| 00:32:58 | Llorean | amiconn: There have been bugs on that for a little while, I thought it got fixed though. |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | If dircache is enabled, it doesn't do this, but I don't want to enable dircache on 16MB targets |
| 00:34:17 | gevaerts | Hodapp: Settings->General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache |
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| 00:35:27 | Hodapp | ok. I'll make sure that's enabled when I grab my ipod. |
| 00:36:14 | piga | saratoga: Hello, I think I can use ArchC (http://www.archc.org/) to do an arm emulator |
| 00:37:03 | * | gevaerts can now reproduce Exclamation's bug |
| 00:37:30 | saratoga | piga: I've heard of system-c but never used it |
| 00:37:40 | saratoga | i assume it has free compilers and such available? |
| 00:39:24 | piga | saratoga: Yes, the systemc is a C++ library and it is available at (http://www.systemc.com) |
| 00:40:03 | saratoga | ah sounds cool |
| 00:40:14 | markun | gevaerts: didn't code anything yet |
| 00:40:28 | gevaerts | piga: I think you mean http://www.systemc.org/ |
| 00:40:29 | markun | and I don't have access to a computer during the weekend |
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| 00:41:07 | piga | gevaerts: right! |
| 00:41:49 | saratoga | piga: my concern is that they don't claim to have a complete ARM simulator suitable for running an OS |
| 00:41:54 | saratoga | there is one on google |
| 00:42:11 | saratoga | but i'd be hesitant about using something like this that isn't extremely well tested |
| 00:42:32 | piga | saratoga: SystemC no but ArchC yes |
| 00:42:33 | saratoga | trouble shooting the emulator itself would be a nightmare i think, and then you'd have to worry about the rockbox parts |
| 00:43:06 | piga | ArchC has an ARM processor implemented |
| 00:43:40 | piga | and I think I could use it to do an emulator |
| 00:43:52 | piga | That is my idea |
| 00:44:21 | saratoga | piga: its not on their download page (just sparc, ppc, mips. etc) |
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| 00:44:46 | gevaerts | piga: are there ArchC models for coldfire and sh available ? |
| 00:45:21 | * | gevaerts tries to help here, but won't really be involved in the emulator later on |
| 00:45:55 | gevaerts | piga: I'm asking because those are used by other rockbox targets, so they could be useful as well (but probably not required) |
| 00:46:14 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand how it is possible to emulate something that's not completely known |
| 00:46:33 | piga | saratoga: You are right, it is not on the page. But I worked with archc team and they have an ARM processor |
| 00:46:51 | saratoga | its stable enough to boot linux or something similar? |
| 00:47:08 | linuxstb_ | piga: Do you know which ARM(s) ? |
| 00:47:35 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: My thoughts as well... |
| 00:47:56 | * | gevaerts doesn't want to get into that discussion |
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| 00:48:37 | saratoga3 | linuxstb: i see an arm7tdmi emulator in archc on google that claims to be cycle accurate |
| 00:49:03 | piga | gevaerts: I think they don't have this. But it is not difficult to model a processor |
| 00:49:28 | saratoga3 | if gcc can compile for it, you can emulate it, just you might not get the instruction cycle times accurate |
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| 00:49:50 | saratoga3 | though maybe that wouldn'e be good enough to run an OF |
| 00:50:11 | gevaerts | OF needs lots of peripherals |
| 00:50:14 | linuxstb_ | The ARM core is just a tiny part of it... |
| 00:51:34 | piga | saratoga3: What do you mean by OF? |
| 00:51:56 | gevaerts | piga: original firmware. Whatever is on the player when you buy ir |
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| 00:56:13 | * | gevaerts just read the project info on the SummerOfCode2008 page, and thinks that it would probably useful to have |
| 00:57:22 | saratoga3 | its tempting to do GSOC again |
| 00:57:25 | saratoga3 | last year was a lot of fun |
| 00:58:21 | * | scorche|sh gets his whip out |
| 00:58:25 | scorche|sh | saratoga3: go for it :) |
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| 00:58:57 | saratoga3 | i still haven't worked all the bugs out from last year |
| 00:59:16 | saratoga3 | but its tempting to propose an H.264 decoder + DSP acceleration for the TI targets |
| 00:59:21 | scorche|sh | GSoC projet application: Fix GSoC project from last year |
| 00:59:23 | scorche|sh | ;) |
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| 01:02:18 | piga | I'm studying the project and I had this idea. |
| 01:02:48 | saratoga3 | piga: its an interesting idea |
| 01:03:06 | saratoga3 | how difficult would it be for c programmers to add to things in system c ? |
| 01:03:22 | saratoga3 | this project would need to be somewhat accessible to future hardware hackers |
| 01:04:57 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I had to revert the fix for your charger problem (which I can't reproduce here btw). It caused other problems. I'll think some more about it when I'm more awake |
| 01:05:00 | piga | You don't need to know systemc just ArchC. |
| 01:05:10 | piga | ArchC is an upper layer |
| 01:05:23 | piga | the hierarchy is: |
| 01:05:41 | piga | ArchC translate to systemC |
| 01:05:49 | piga | systemC translate to C++ |
| 01:06:00 | piga | then if you know C++ you know archC |
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| 01:06:53 | piga | only if you pretend to work with time accurate you need to know systemc |
| 01:07:25 | piga | archc provides and easy way to model processor and platforms |
| 01:07:45 | gevaerts | What's the license for systemc ? |
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| 01:10:01 | saratoga | hmm theres a systemc live cd out there |
| 01:10:11 | saratoga | this looks much more interesting then verilog |
| 01:10:56 | * | Nico_P currently studies VHDL |
| 01:11:33 | piga | And it is. Because you can do a behavioral model, co-simulation... |
| 01:11:47 | piga | and RTL model too |
| 01:12:02 | piga | you choose the abstract level that you want |
| 01:12:02 | * | petur thinks Nico_P should apply for a job where he works - currently seeking VHDL people ;) |
| 01:12:16 | Nico_P | petur: I'm still a real noob :) |
| 01:12:36 | piga | VHDL I know |
| 01:12:41 | saratoga | i couldn't get into vhdl non-c languages just feel so wrong to me |
| 01:12:53 | piga | I did a the Theora Hardware implementation in VHDL |
| 01:13:27 | Nico_P | saratoga: really? try things like functional programming ;) |
| 01:14:25 | Nico_P | piga: did you produce a chip from it? (sorry if this sounds like a silly question, I'm still a bit unfamiliar with all this) |
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| 01:15:45 | piga | Nico_P: Not yet. The problem is that it has a lot of PADs and the it increases and it will be too much expensive |
| 01:15:56 | piga | I validated it on FPGA |
| 01:16:46 | Nico_P | PADs? |
| 01:18:04 | saratoga | the pins on the chip i assume? |
| 01:18:18 | piga | Yes, you are right |
| 01:18:32 | piga | the pins increased the area |
| 01:19:23 | piga | and consequently the price |
| 01:19:44 | saratoga | why so many pins for a video decoder? |
| 01:21:38 | piga | It was not so many. It has about a hundred |
| 01:22:32 | piga | But there was a processor that does some decisions |
| 01:23:14 | piga | The hardware does the iDCT and the last part of algorithm |
| 01:23:26 | piga | The bus is 32 bits |
| 01:23:48 | piga | And I didn't use in/out pins |
| 01:24:15 | piga | That why there is a lot of pins |
| 01:25:12 | piga | But backing to ARM emulator |
| 01:25:48 | piga | Do you think it is feasible? Sure I should learn more about rockbox |
| 01:26:14 | saratoga | piga: if you can boot linux you're a good bit of the way |
| 01:26:34 | saratoga | you'd then have to implement support for whatever hardware is being used by the rockbox drivers |
| 01:26:57 | gevaerts | piga: you could also look into different projects, like a theora plugin for rockbox ;) |
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| 01:27:13 | saratoga | generally this would be a display, buttons, DAC, and IDE interface |
| 01:27:14 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: ehhh...that would be slow i would imagine... |
| 01:27:50 | Nico_P | scorche|sh: the beasts probably have enough power :) |
| 01:28:01 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: probably |
| 01:28:05 | saratoga | once rockbox booted, the next task would be to try and get the OF to boot |
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| 01:28:30 | * | gevaerts basically only knows that theora exists, and works on his laptop |
| 01:29:00 | * | Nico_P doesn't know much more |
| 01:29:15 | Nico_P | I'm curious about dirac |
| 01:29:28 | * | gevaerts thinks he fixed all the bugs he introduced today, so he's probably allowed to go to sleep now |
| 01:29:34 | * | markun about Snow |
| 01:29:56 | saratoga | for rockbox h.264 is probably most interesting because it is an open specification and is natively fixed point |
| 01:30:26 | saratoga | though no doubt it suffers from the usual MPEG specification over design |
| 01:31:50 | * | gevaerts would really like to understand how all these codecs work, but he's forced to work on usb all the time :( |
| 01:32:07 | piga | saratoga: Theora doesn't use float point, neither fixed point it is integer based |
| 01:33:15 | * | scorche|sh signals the guards to poke gevaerts a few more times with the spear |
| 01:33:37 | ryran | poor gevaerts |
| 01:34:35 | piga | I run theora on a LEON (spark like processor) with 50MHz. But real time videos just with low resolutions, lesser than 160x120 |
| 01:35:17 | Nico_P | piga: how does that compare to the ones we have? |
| 01:36:33 | piga | Nico_P: I don't know. But I think and iPOD has a processor more powerful than the LEON |
| 01:37:00 | gevaerts | It's a 80MHz dual-core ARM |
| 01:37:01 | scorche|sh | dual core 80MHz |
| 01:37:02 | Nico_P | iPods are basically the least powerful of our targets |
| 01:37:13 | amiconn | Not true |
| 01:37:22 | scorche|sh | at a resolution of 320x240 |
| 01:37:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: is it for colour ones? |
| 01:37:35 | scorche|sh | Nico_P: i assume you mean SWcodec? |
| 01:37:42 | Nico_P | that too |
| 01:37:47 | amiconn | I mean swcodec, yes, but not colour |
| 01:37:58 | amiconn | The least powerful swcodec target is the iFP7xx |
| 01:38:14 | scorche|sh | i dont think that counts as it isnt on "the list" |
| 01:38:16 | amiconn | 60MHz arm, single core |
| 01:38:17 | Nico_P | ah yes. I had completely forgotten about that one... are there others? |
| 01:39:15 | amiconn | Other than that, it's hard to tell which targets are more or less powerful. It depends a lot on what the code does |
| 01:39:33 | Nico_P | true. hence my use of "basically" |
| 01:39:40 | piga | amiconn: I agree |
| 01:39:53 | amiconn | The PP targets have dual arm, which are slow at multiplying but have good caches and fast ram access |
| 01:40:24 | amiconn | Otoh, the coldfire targets have the fast emac unit, but no data cache and a slow ram interface |
| 01:40:35 | saratoga | that slow multiplier is maddening |
| 01:40:43 | saratoga | such a stupid design choice for an mp3 player |
| 01:41:03 | amiconn | The most obvious effect: Coldfire decodes mp3 with no boosting, but has a hard time with mpeg video |
| 01:41:25 | amiconn | The pp targets run mpeg video like a charm, but still struggle somewhat with mp3 |
| 01:41:39 | piga | amiconn: Theora requires many multiplications |
| 01:42:01 | saratoga | piga: should be similar to mpeg though |
| 01:42:06 | saratoga | they're both doing the same transform |
| 01:42:16 | piga | yes |
| 01:42:34 | saratoga | mp3 is nice mostly because you do a whole lot of multiplies on a smaller amount of data (which can be in internal RAM) |
| 01:42:35 | piga | But do you think is a good idea to try port theora to rockbox? |
| 01:42:40 | saratoga | though ARM has trouble |
| 01:42:45 | ItalianPianist | interesting... amiconn how much cpu power in percentage do you think 100 multiplications/second will drain in coldfire targets? |
| 01:42:56 | saratoga | amazingly little |
| 01:43:18 | saratoga | you've got 124 million clocks a second when boosted |
| 01:43:43 | ItalianPianist | ... how much clocks/sec spent for a mul? |
| 01:43:53 | amiconn | Depends |
| 01:44:08 | saratoga | emac is pipelined right? |
| 01:44:08 | amiconn | The EMAC unit has single-cycle throughput, but not single-cycle latency |
| 01:44:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:44:41 | amiconn | So as long as you're mac'ing, it's fast. Independent multiplications are significantly slower |
| 01:45:08 | amiconn | The bad thing is that gcc doesn't support the emac, so all emac code has to be written in asm |
| 01:45:09 | ItalianPianist | basically my idea is to furtherly optimize resizing algo by precalculating all pixels steps in table |
| 01:45:24 | saratoga | for mpeg? |
| 01:45:59 | amiconn | (but since gcc isn't very good at optimising in general, that's probably not a big loss) |
| 01:46:15 | ItalianPianist | no it's for a game... i've managed to remove every mul apart from 1 in my algo...so the coldfire makes 1x 176 lines mul/frame |
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| 01:47:09 | ItalianPianist | i'd like to know how much cpu power is spent in muls ... maybe the optimisation would be not so useful |
| 01:48:51 | saratoga | with straight gcc code, both arm and coldfire can probably sustain several tens of millions of multiplies a second |
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| 01:49:16 | saratoga | well not arm |
| 01:49:26 | saratoga | thats probably closer to 15 million or so |
| 01:49:46 | saratoga | but i can't remember off hand what the throughput is |
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| 01:50:22 | amiconn | arm multiplys have varying cycle count afaik (if early termination is implemented) |
| 01:52:25 | piga | saratoga: I will study the archC ARM implementation and the rockbox. Next week I'll give you some feedback. Could be? |
| 01:52:32 | ItalianPianist | mmm too interesting... maybe i can save some cpu power to be able to do good sound mixing... mmmm tomorrow i'll try... |
| 01:56:00 | amiconn | grrrmbl :\ |
| 01:56:55 | amiconn | It looks like we need to convert the plugins to use the action api (not the pluginlib actions) |
| 01:57:51 | amiconn | The button #defines are starting to become kinda messy if we want to properly support main & remote buttons (a necessity on the M3) |
| 01:58:24 | * | amiconn will do a quick hack first to get the plugins to compile |
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| 03:16:07 | UNHchabo | hey guys, just starting using Rockbox about a day ago |
| 03:16:31 | UNHchabo | curious about one thing: |
| 03:17:08 | UNHchabo | is there a way i can play all albums sequentially in track order? so far the only way I've found to play all songs is to play them alphabetically by track title |
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| 03:23:58 | Davide-NYC | Hello all. I just picked up a refurbished Sansa C140 for cheap. Is this thing based on the same chip as the Sansa Express? |
| 03:24:39 | Davide-NYC | Also, will anyone care if I rip it apart and post high-res scans of the PCB? |
| 03:24:55 | linuxstb_ | Davide-NYC: I don't think so - the C140 is TeleChips (TCC770) |
| 03:25:04 | Davide-NYC | Man this thing is all cheap and plasticy. Yuck. |
| 03:25:15 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb: and the express is what? |
| 03:25:24 | linuxstb_ | No idea, but something else I think |
| 03:25:29 | Davide-NYC | hmm |
| 03:25:42 | Davide-NYC | because I really like the "all in one" aspect of the express. |
| 03:26:01 | Davide-NYC | this C140 thing is pretty nasty. |
| 03:27:27 | linuxstb_ | Looking at a Sansa Express firmware, it has the STMP string in, so I guess it's some kind of Sigmatel chip |
| 03:27:49 | Davide-NYC | hrmm. I thought I was being all helpful. :-/ |
| 03:28:20 | UNHchabo | so anyone know about my question above? |
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| 03:29:44 | linuxstb_ | UNHchabo: If someone can answer, I'm sure they will... Although I don't think many people here use the database features. |
| 03:29:58 | linuxstb_ | (and it's a quiet time of day - Europe is sleeping) |
| 03:30:15 | UNHchabo | ok |
| 03:30:17 | * | linuxstb_ goes to do just that |
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| 03:30:23 | UNHchabo | so then i should just make custom playlists? ;) |
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| 04:09:12 | corevette | what does everyone use for photo hosting? |
| 04:09:30 | scorche | what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 04:13:28 | corevette | scorche: it was just a question... |
| 04:13:45 | scorche | a question that happened to be off-topic and against the guidelines... |
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| 04:45:32 | crzyboyster | And is there a way to do the same test in recovery mode and if so, will the output be different from regular mode when player was plugged in from actual firmware? |
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| 08:09:39 | Bagder | 10 mentors signed up |
| 08:12:08 | Mouser_X | How many signed up last year? |
| 08:12:12 | Mouser_X | (I don't know.) |
| 08:13:27 | Bagder | I can't remember exactly but it was 10-12 something |
| 08:13:39 | Bagder | and we got 20 student applications |
| 08:13:49 | Mouser_X | So 10 isn't too bad then. 20 last year, or this year? |
| 08:14:06 | Bagder | 20 last year, this year's application period hasn't started yet |
| 08:14:36 | Mouser_X | Ah. Again, I didn't know. I like the GSoC thing. It gets some pretty nifty stuff going for Rockbox. |
| 08:14:47 | Mouser_X | (When done right.) |
| 08:14:52 | Bagder | indeed |
| 08:15:56 | Mouser_X | It'd be nice to see playback.c fixed. For GSoC, I'm somewhat doubtful that will happen. It sounds like it's a pretty big project to do that one (though, one that would be really nice). |
| 08:16:27 | Mouser_X | Next to that I'd like to see the ScummVM port (or whatever it is. Lots of stuff to do with that..) |
| 08:22:14 | Bagder | and now breakfast (national holiday here) |
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| 08:37:49 | Llorean | Mouser_X: That's one of the most unlikely ones, I think. |
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| 08:39:03 | JdGordon | I would guess the most likely time swcodec will get major fixes is the devcons |
| 08:39:37 | Llorean | Did anyone else get the GSOC email from Nirav Shah, or was it a single target email? |
| 08:39:50 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, Nico_P is often working on it too. |
| 08:40:01 | JdGordon | not I |
| 08:40:39 | JdGordon | well yeah, but whats needed is a full ledged group effort to fix/rebuild it |
| 08:40:56 | Llorean | I'm not sure if he just picked me randomly from the list of people willing to mentor on the SoC 2008 page, or what. |
| 08:41:32 | JdGordon | what was the email about? |
| 08:41:40 | Llorean | A SoC project proposal. |
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