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| 00:09:50 | linuxstb_ | kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080322#14:07:33 |
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| 00:10:11 | linuxstb_ | If you want to try the path, the latest is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wps_strips_v3.diff |
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| 00:18:19 | kugel | linuxstb_: Subimages? |
| 00:18:49 | kugel | Like icon sets? They consist of 1 bmp, which contains several icons |
| 00:20:13 | linuxstb_ | Yes - just like the icon strips. e.g. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/volume.bmp |
| 00:22:05 | Llorean | linuxstb_: What do you think about, for volume, battery, and things like that, using a method similar to the progress bar where a portion of one image is revealed, rather than using multiple images? |
| 00:22:25 | Llorean | It seems like your method might speed up WPS loading, but not really address the "I have too many images to fit into memory" problem at all. |
| 00:23:49 | linuxstb_ | That sounds like a different problem |
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| 00:28:52 | kugel | linuxstb_: I wonder if your parse_list function would work well with the multifont solution 1 |
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| 00:30:35 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean? It already does. |
| 00:31:02 | djzn | hello... didn't anyone think of a "rockbox" for mp3-capable static DVD-Players? It is surely missed!!! Why only "portable" players??? |
| 00:31:26 | gevaerts | djzn: you're welcome to work on that ;) |
| 00:31:47 | djzn | i mean, is it possible? |
| 00:31:48 | kugel | linuxstb_: if the fonts were defined in the global config |
| 00:32:10 | ryanhamel | i got a solution for hfs+ to fat32 |
| 00:33:25 | djzn | gevaerts: would it be possible? |
| 00:33:33 | ryanhamel | take a ipod to a windows computer, restore it, when it get's to the part where you name it you click cancel or eject it, then set it up in itunes on the mac. It will keep the fat32 partition but you can't update it |
| 00:33:54 | Llorean | djzn: Depends an awful lot on the hardware itself. |
| 00:34:03 | ryanhamel | remember what i said here folks |
| 00:34:10 | krazykit | ryanhamel, yes, that's the easy way to do it. if you're on a mac or in linux, though, it won't work |
| 00:34:39 | gevaerts | djzn: I would expect that most dvd players are not capable of running rockbox, but I don't actually know |
| 00:34:43 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: That's why I asked you which OS you were using... |
| 00:34:54 | ryanhamel | i am on my macbookpro and it works fine with what i told you |
| 00:35:06 | djzn | Llorean: SONY players have a own-designed software to play the MP3/JPEG. ENCORE players for example they have this "generic" software. Would it be harder to break the Sony one? |
| 00:35:16 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: Yes, the wiki page you were pointed to tells you that. |
| 00:35:34 | krazykit | djzn, that's really impossible to say. it just depends on what the software designers did. |
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| 00:35:51 | Llorean | djzn: Really, this is something you'll have to actually investigate, not something anyone here can tell you. |
| 00:35:55 | djzn | krazykit: is it possible to reverse-engineer it? |
| 00:36:17 | krazykit | djzn, like Llorean said, you'd have to investigate it yourself. |
| 00:36:24 | djzn | i know but |
| 00:36:40 | djzn | does rockbox need any "layer" of "mini-OS" to run on the hardware? |
| 00:36:54 | ryanhamel | no, it tells you to name it on the windows computer |
| 00:36:54 | djzn | or in theory could it be applied to any piece of hardware? |
| 00:37:07 | krazykit | djzn, in theory, it could work on any hardware, provided you write the drivers for it. |
| 00:37:24 | gevaerts | djzn: no. It can run on any hardware that has enough RAM and CPU |
| 00:37:44 | djzn | would the most problematic thing the "flash-memory" upgrade feature - something that these corporations keep in secret? |
| 00:38:10 | linuxstb_ | ryanhamel: So you're saying it doesn't work if you name it on the windows computer? |
| 00:38:11 | krazykit | that and undocumented hardware, most likely. |
| 00:38:19 | ryanhamel | right |
| 00:38:27 | gevaerts | djzn: that's one of the problems, but certainly not the only one |
| 00:38:29 | ryanhamel | then it would not sync |
| 00:38:49 | djzn | we've got thousands of DVD-Players around and no one ever thought of breaking one? |
| 00:39:28 | ryanhamel | when the computer is done restoring the apple os (not naming it or anything else) |
| 00:39:46 | ryanhamel | plug it in to a mac itunes then name it, and then it will sync |
| 00:40:47 | gevaerts | djzn: rockbox is mostly interested in portable players. And as I said before, I doubt if the average dvd player has a cpu and RAM that can handle rockbox |
| 00:40:53 | codesquid | djzn, I guess most of the people capable to actually code software for DVD-Players don't really use them ;) |
| 00:41:44 | djzn | geaverts: ok, how much RAM and CPU should be enough to rockbox and how much of it you guess DVD-Players come with? |
| 00:42:01 | kugel | djzn: I recently came to the same idea, rockbox on my DVB-T receiver :) |
| 00:42:21 | Llorean | djzn: Seriously, why all the requests for guesses, they do you absolutely no good. |
| 00:42:53 | djzn | Llorean: I think the developers are under-estimating the use of the static DVD-Player... in some places they are the only thing that plays something |
| 00:43:12 | JdGordon | how many dvd players allow ou to upgrade their firmware? |
| 00:43:19 | Llorean | djzn: That doesn't answer my question in any way, form, or shape. |
| 00:43:25 | Horscht | I seriously know only a small ammount of people that still use a stand alone DVD player |
| 00:43:26 | kugel | my dvb-t receiver does :) |
| 00:43:44 | Horscht | most people either have an xbox with XBMC on it, or a media center PC |
| 00:43:44 | djzn | JdGordon: I know a lot of them... Philips, Sony, Samsung all have firmware upgrades |
| 00:43:55 | gevaerts | djzn: there are even more cassette players, but that doesn't mean it is possible to run rockbox on them |
| 00:44:07 | codesquid | I can't think of anything a PC cannot do far better than a DVD Player |
| 00:44:30 | djzn | we don't want to live in front a PC all the time, do we? |
| 00:44:32 | Llorean | codesquid: "Do the same job, cheaply" |
| 00:44:35 | gevaerts | codesquid: being cheap ? |
| 00:44:38 | Horscht | plus, media centers can now look awesome |
| 00:44:40 | Llorean | djzn: PCs can be hooked up to a TV. |
| 00:44:40 | * | JdGordon would love to wathc codesquid type an essay on his dvd player! |
| 00:44:54 | JdGordon | doh! |
| 00:44:56 | * | amiconn doesn't agree with Horscht, but that's OT... |
| 00:44:56 | * | JdGordon misread |
| 00:45:22 | Horscht | isn't like 99% of all this OT, anyway? |
| 00:45:23 | codesquid | "having 1 pc" vs. "having 1 pc and a dvd player", what's cheaper? ;) |
| 00:45:34 | Llorean | djzn: As it stands though, Rockbox was designed as a replacement firmware for MP3 players. The people who work on it right now were attracted to it specifically because of what it is. If you want to port it to DVD players, that's fine, but odds are good you're going to need to do an awful lot of work. |
| 00:45:50 | kugel | codesquid: Not all people are willing to buy a pc just to watch dvds |
| 00:46:06 | codesquid | kugel, how to get rockbox on those dvd players without a pc? |
| 00:46:07 | djzn | you could be really big, you know |
| 00:46:27 | Horscht | friends, codesquid |
| 00:46:33 | kugel | codesquid: there are many ways |
| 00:46:37 | Horscht | friends with PCs |
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| 00:47:32 | codesquid | hmm dunno if that would be a successful model to spread dvd player firmware |
| 00:48:09 | Horscht | it's not a model to spread it, it's a model to get it on your player |
| 00:48:15 | kugel | codesquid: The main thing is, that a DVD player is small, much smaller than a common PC (and thus fits better in a living room). You don't need to wait mintues to boot it up, you don't need to mess with malware. There are many more reasons for a DVD player |
| 00:48:49 | Llorean | kugel: PCs can be designed as small as most DVD players, and with hibernation can boot up as fast as many do. |
| 00:48:50 | kugel | but that's really OT now! My conclusion is that it's certainly possible to run rockbox, and that it would be cool, but it should not be the object for rockbox to run on those stuff |
| 00:48:55 | codesquid | no doubt that having a free open source dvd player firmware would be useful, I'm however concerned about the "need" to have it |
| 00:49:06 | Horscht | but then again, people that buy a DVD player, buy it to... huh?.... play DVDs |
| 00:49:09 | codesquid | kugel, I have a Mac Mini, quite small and very silent |
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| 00:49:29 | kugel | codesquid: and you paid more than 50 bucks, didn't you? |
| 00:49:31 | Llorean | Horscht: Many modern DVD players also support CDs, MP3-audio on CDs, and other tihngs. |
| 00:49:41 | Llorean | kugel, codesquid: Enough of this. |
| 00:49:51 | Horscht | well, my very old one does, as well. |
| 00:49:59 | Horscht | But the argument was a different |
| 00:50:06 | djzn | the point is... most DVD's are MP3 & JPEG capable with directory listing... obviously there's a software that does it.... |
| 00:50:26 | Llorean | djzn: The point is, you'll need to do a LOT of work to get it done. |
| 00:50:31 | Horscht | yes, there is. So why would anyone need Rockbox on it? |
| 00:50:45 | Llorean | Horscht: For media formats not supported, obviously. |
| 00:50:46 | * | JdGordon reminds everyone this is a on topic channel and the track is somewhere over ==================>>> there |
| 00:50:53 | djzn | Horscht: for MPC, FLAC, etc |
| 00:51:21 | * | kugel points to #rockbox-community |
| 00:51:34 | * | JdGordon punches kugel |
| 00:51:37 | JdGordon | dont send them there |
| 00:51:38 | kugel | :) |
| 00:51:41 | Horscht | ok... you see, I am not following exactly. Don't you think that people using FLAC etc. would use a PC/Media Center instead? |
| 00:51:58 | djzn | Horscht: Expensive & unpratical |
| 00:52:31 | djzn | focus on portables only is *very much* stupid and dumb |
| 00:52:37 | Llorean | Horscht: People using FLAC already may have it on their potable player, and a media center, but may have a few cheaper DVD players scattered about. |
| 00:52:39 | djzn | and narrow minded |
| 00:52:47 | Llorean | djzn: Do not go there. |
| 00:52:53 | Horscht | ouch |
| 00:52:54 | Llorean | It's rather silly to ask for help, and call a project dumb, in the same sentence. |
| 00:53:13 | Horscht | you see, it's like me complaining that my MP3 player doesn't play videos |
| 00:53:29 | codesquid | please, the rockbox developers are doing a great job |
| 00:53:34 | Llorean | djzn: Rockbox was designed by people scratching an itch. It was not designed "to help out the world". This is YOUR itch, and until you find other itchy people (which we obviously are not) YOU'RE the one doing the scratching. |
| 00:53:45 | linuxstb_ | djzn: No-one is telling you not do go and do it - just that it's not the focus of the people interested in this project. |
| 00:54:02 | Horscht | because it's an MP3 player, I bought it to play music. Rockbox frees my MP3 Player to play other AUDIO formats as well |
| 00:54:13 | djzn | i bet if someone gets rockbox on a dvd, even the website would fail to spread it... |
| 00:54:19 | djzn | because of the narrow-minded people |
| 00:54:21 | Llorean | Horscht: Look, stop, okay. It really is a suitable target for *someone* to work on. |
| 00:54:38 | Horscht | okay |
| 00:54:41 | Llorean | djzn: Look, now you're just trolling. Trust me, stop it before you say something too stupid. |
| 00:54:50 | Horscht | but only because it's your birthday |
| 00:55:08 | djzn | you know, i COULD call you narrow-minded... you try to cut the conversation in many ways... |
| 00:55:31 | Llorean | djzn: And i could call you narrow-minded for being too daft to realize that you can't make people work for you by calling them names. |
| 00:55:33 | JdGordon | and we COULD kick you for being off topic and annoying |
| 00:55:47 | Llorean | djzn: I've told you already: This is something people actually interested in it would have to work on. |
| 00:55:55 | Llorean | If you did a sound port, it'd probably get accepted. |
| 00:56:04 | djzn | all i am suggesting is someone to look on how to port to DVD's and your answers are always "never, forget it, too difficult, no focus.." |
| 00:56:19 | Llorean | But you're too indignant and whiny to be interested in something you actually have to work on, and seem to think the world should do what you ask because *you* want it so much. |
| 00:56:35 | djzn | no, this is your pickness... |
| 00:56:37 | Llorean | djzn: That's the thing, you're suggesting someone ELSE do it. Rather than saying "I'm interested in doing it, how do I start." |
| 00:56:38 | gevaerts | djzn: suggesting that "someone" does something is one of the things you shouldn't do in an open source project |
| 00:56:59 | djzn | you never said "you want the help to start"? |
| 00:57:02 | Llorean | djzn: Nobody said it was too difficult. We said it IS difficult, and it's something WE are not interested in. |
| 00:57:11 | Horscht | you never said "I want to port" |
| 00:57:18 | Llorean | djzn: You never asked for help. I answered your questions on the topic though |
| 00:57:34 | Llorean | djzn: You asked for a lot of pointless guesswork, and i told you "no, you need to investigate" |
| 00:57:39 | Llorean | I consider that help, since it's a factual statement. |
| 00:57:41 | djzn | ah ah ah... i bet that what hinders you is this "on topic" - "off topic" thing..... |
| 00:58:06 | djzn | you pay more attention on being "on-topic"/"off-topic" than actually thinking about the DVD-Player idea |
| 00:58:14 | benjamin | anyone known wether porting busybox, etc... is possible |
| 00:58:14 | djzn | that could help the world |
| 00:58:23 | Horscht | I think what hinders the current coders, is that they are not interested in a port |
| 00:58:25 | Llorean | djzn: Again, you're trolling. |
| 00:58:30 | kugel | djzn: Do it yourself, and let people alone that are not interested in it please |
| 00:58:38 | Llorean | djzn: Do YOU want to work on it, or are you only here to call us names for not doing your bidding? |
| 00:58:41 | Horscht | people that are interested are welcome to port it |
| 00:58:47 | djzn | if you are not interested... close the IRC... close the site... |
| 00:59:03 | kugel | You should rather open your mind |
| 00:59:04 | djzn | don't make this damn thing public... do not spread it, do not do it |
| 00:59:16 | Horscht | your logic deceives me |
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| 00:59:34 | JdGordon | djzn: rockbox is also not about limitiing the origional target... _if_ rockbox was ported to a dvd player there would be no way to watch dvds on it so would be pointless anyway |
| 00:59:47 | Llorean | djzn: So what you're saying is "Despite many thousands of free hours working on something that helps tens of thousands of people, because it didn't do something only peripherally related, you should quit." |
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| 01:00:08 | Llorean | djzn: As we've ALL said, you're welcome to work on it. |
| 01:00:17 | codesquid | djzn, do you have any idea how difficult it is to start a new port? I have been following the development for a few months now and from what I can see it's extremely complicated. |
| 01:00:44 | djzn | ok, you see... the original firmware of an iPod... that WAS complicated... |
| 01:00:56 | Llorean | djzn: And if you don't stop trolling, I'm sure you'll be removed soon. If you want to do the work, fine. If you want to look for interest, fine. If you want to insult people for not being interested, that is unacceptable. |
| 01:00:58 | djzn | but a DVD-Player? that only display folders and files and play it???? |
| 01:01:14 | Llorean | djzn: And you've just made it absolutely clear you have no idea what sort of work goes into this. |
| 01:01:23 | djzn | De-Lorean |
| 01:01:40 | djzn | rockbox is TINY, and will stay TINY... until you open your mind... oK? |
| 01:01:40 | codesquid | djzn, "but an iPod? That only displays a list of files and play it????" |
| 01:01:50 | Horscht | what does the current firmware tell you about the feasibility of a port? |
| 01:02:09 | djzn | how easy is to crack a dvd-player |
| 01:02:15 | Llorean | djzn: Then DO it. |
| 01:02:15 | djzn | and no one ever THOUGHT of that... ah.. |
| 01:02:22 | Llorean | If it's so easy, bring us back a port. |
| 01:02:53 | djzn | i am sure that if you really knew the code of an iPod... you would KNOW that a DVD is easier |
| 01:03:03 | JdGordon | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:03:11 | * | codesquid giggles |
| 01:03:15 | djzn | but that's what I'm saying.. LACK of focus.... focusing only on miserable mp3 players |
| 01:03:20 | * | Horscht is shocked |
| 01:04:07 | djzn | how about putting a site "rockbox-dvd.org" - all are welcomed to start this new project |
| 01:04:11 | ali_as | If the focus is tighter than you want, that isn't lack of focus. |
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| 01:04:51 | Llorean | djzn: That domain's probably not registered. Go for it. But now you're asking other people to spend money and time on your idea. |
| 01:04:56 | ali_as | Kiss make some dvd players that play media. |
| 01:04:59 | djzn | "we want volunteers to help to break DVD firmwares for them to play MKV, AVI, AAC, FLAC, MPC" |
| 01:05:12 | ali_as | Over a network connection or off an internal hard disk. |
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| 01:05:28 | ali_as | That has some problems. |
| 01:05:33 | Horscht | no, it's not *US* that want it, it's *YOU* |
| 01:05:38 | ali_as | Hardware limitations. |
| 01:05:45 | Llorean | djzn: One last time. Stop the ranting. This project is your idea, that means you'll need to do the work. |
| 01:06:01 | djzn | Oh might powerful... you got the power now... Oh poor me... |
| 01:06:11 | djzn | how big you are... I am THREATENED |
| 01:06:19 | djzn | another IRC GOD |
| 01:06:22 | djzn | oh my... |
| 01:07:04 | djzn | let's have some sex with my wife.. and forget about this rockshit thing |
| 01:07:35 | ali_as | Remember to fill her up with air first. |
| 01:07:40 | djzn | miserable mp3 players... |
| 01:07:44 | djzn | who have them? |
| 01:07:49 | djzn | no one |
| 01:07:53 | ali_as | DVD is dead anyway. |
| 01:07:56 | * | gromit` laughs |
| 01:08:00 | ali_as | HDTV is the new wave. |
| 01:08:08 | djzn | you realize your licking steve job's balls |
| 01:08:15 | djzn | focusing on ipods |
| 01:08:16 | * | Horscht just can't be bothered anymore |
| 01:08:26 | ali_as | Don't have an ipod. |
| 01:08:44 | ali_as | Don't think most people here do either. |
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| 01:08:55 | ali_as | I think you have misunderstood the point. |
| 01:09:13 | kugel | Wow, this guy was... |
| 01:09:32 | Horscht | ...weird |
| 01:09:40 | CaptainKewl | a troll? :P |
| 01:10:41 | * | gevaerts comes out from under the table... Why is it so quiet here ? |
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| 01:14:40 | CaptainKewl | I made a mikmod plugin which runs on my 5g ipod, but it hangs each time get_more is called. Doesn't do this on the simulator. Am I right in guessing that this is due to processing and not because I'm doing the buffering wrong? And if so, does this mean that a realtime playback just isn't going to happen? |
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| 01:17:07 | benjamin | is porting a simple scripting language viable for rockbox? |
| 01:17:31 | JdGordon | depends which and what you want to do with it |
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| 01:18:25 | benjamin | graphics API, music player API, it's a hassle to recompile everytime for a new app |
| 01:18:54 | JdGordon | remember these arnt very powerful cpus... |
| 01:20:12 | benjamin | nothing like perl, but something like lisp, i believe some have larger than a 100mhz arm's |
| 01:20:58 | Llorean | One does. |
| 01:21:22 | benjamin | gigabeat? |
| 01:21:37 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:21:58 | Llorean | You are aware that you can just compile the plugins when you recompile, right? |
| 01:22:23 | Llorean | Porting a scripting language is just going to be a way to come up with an even more restricted environment within the already rather restricted one. :-P |
| 01:23:34 | benjamin | how? i think it would be much more open for developers, to create simple apps. |
| 01:24:10 | Llorean | So, less available RAM, and a reduction of the already slow processing speed doesn't sound like "more restricted" to you? |
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| 01:24:50 | JdGordon | the only scripting lang i;d like to see is TI-BASIC |
| 01:25:01 | JdGordon | that would be cool :D |
| 01:25:11 | Llorean | Heh |
| 01:25:17 | benjamin | simple assembler type stuff, set var = val, call_function arg, it would be easy to parse |
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| 01:25:38 | gevaerts | Actually, doesn't zxbox contain a scripting language ? |
| 01:26:15 | Llorean | benjamin: Well knock yourself out. You can do it, I just don't think it'll be as popular as you think. |
| 01:26:57 | gevaerts | benjamin: if you do it, reuse an existing scripting language. Some of them are easy to embed |
| 01:27:03 | postaldude | Could someone help me recovering my iPod? A friend tryed to install rockbox on it and right now when I boot it is says "Use iTunes to restore" |
| 01:27:32 | postaldude | I tryed to restore it from iTunes but after restoring it it reboots and I get the same message |
| 01:27:50 | soap | that is a coincidental sign of a failing hard drive I think. |
| 01:27:53 | postaldude | I also tryed to manually restore it with this doc: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore#How_to_restore_an_ipod |
| 01:28:05 | benjamin | thanks for the suggestions, i might create something like TCL |
| 01:28:07 | soap | sounds like you went down the right path. |
| 01:28:22 | gevaerts | benjamin: other candidates might be lua or python |
| 01:29:30 | benjamin | python, right! pymite(python bytecode interpreter) has been created for the 8-bit atmel avr cpu platform would be easy to embed. thx |
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| 01:29:58 | postaldude | When I go in diagnostic mode and run the disk test (its Flash, its a Nano) it says that everything is fine |
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| 01:30:22 | postaldude | Any suggestion? |
| 01:30:28 | soap | That is odd, postaldude. |
| 01:30:36 | soap | Nano 1st gen? |
| 01:30:39 | postaldude | yes |
| 01:30:57 | soap | Just to be sure - not to be a dick - stainless steel back and plastic face? |
| 01:31:07 | postaldude | yes |
| 01:31:36 | soap | what operating system are you using, and what ones do you have available? |
| 01:31:43 | benjamin | any preference for a interpreted language? python, basic, tcl, assembly stuff, jscript |
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| 01:32:14 | soap | LOLCODE, benjamin, LOLCODE |
| 01:32:15 | postaldude | Well, I tryed to restore it with iTune from Vista and for the manual restore I used a Linux box |
| 01:32:47 | soap | Dang, postaldude, from what you have said you have been a good boy and put forth a good effort. |
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| 01:33:14 | postaldude | Yeah, but I am kind of clueless right now |
| 01:33:22 | gevaerts | benjamin: take one that makes it easy to bind to C functions, so you can e.g. wrap the plugin api. Lua claims to do that, python too. Maybe tl as well, I don't know |
| 01:33:26 | gevaerts | s/tl/tcl/ |
| 01:33:33 | soap | (Grasping at straws now) - I would try iTunes from a non-Vista OS. I have gotta believe iTunes restore /should/ work from Vista - but that is an unknown for me. |
| 01:33:50 | postaldude | I also tryed from my XP laptop |
| 01:34:05 | benjamin | haha, HAI CAN HAS STDIO? VISIBLE "YEAH RIGHT!" KTHXBYTE |
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| 01:37:12 | soap | postaldude, Assuming you had an unfettered admin account on XP I am nearing the end of my usefulness. |
| 01:37:21 | benjamin | how would i go about storing variable values, struct's? |
| 01:37:28 | soap | 1 - What does iTunes say during and after the restore attempt? |
| 01:37:40 | soap | 2 - try a new cable? |
| 01:38:23 | soap | 3 - A rockbox install shouldn't have lead to this situation, I go back to my original theory on coincidence - only evidence against that theory is the iPod diagnostic mode (but I don't know how good that is). |
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| 01:39:32 | gevaerts | benjamin: personally I would really go for an already existing library-able language implementation, and port that to rockbox. If you want to do that part yourself as well, I'm afraid you're on a long road, and there are probably better places to help you with that |
| 01:39:53 | benjamin | thx |
| 01:40:26 | gevaerts | benjamin: have a look at heep://www.lua.org/ That one is designed especially to be used in this sort of way |
| 01:40:55 | amiconn_ | gevaerts: Inventing protocols? ;) |
| 01:41:04 | benjamin | i did. |
| 01:41:12 | gevaerts | amiconn_: of course ;) |
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| 01:43:06 | * | gevaerts wonders if amiconn is really human. Only a robot can spot _all_ inaccurate statements ;) |
| 01:45:36 | postaldude | When I start the restore process I see a progress bar and when it reach 100% it says that its gonna reboot the iPod |
| 01:45:54 | soap | What are you, postaldude, a test? |
| 01:45:58 | postaldude | And then I get a pop up that says that iTunes detected an iPod in recovery mode |
| 01:46:05 | soap | You appear to be doing everthing right. |
| 01:46:17 | soap | can you manually boot it into disk mode? |
| 01:46:20 | postaldude | a test? |
| 01:46:25 | ze | gevaerts: a robot can't spot a thing, only its software can |
| 01:46:46 | ze | gevaerts: furthermore, no software is anywhere close to capable of spotting inaccurate statements thoroughly or reliably |
| 01:46:50 | soap | A test - "Soap spot the minuscule flaw in postaldude's procedure" kind of test. |
| 01:47:00 | postaldude | I am here because I tryed everything that I could find on the web and I tough that maybe someone here could help me |
| 01:47:30 | postaldude | and your help is appreciated |
| 01:47:50 | gevaerts | ze: Are you sure ? In the movies they seem to be able to do that sort of thing ! |
| 01:48:10 | ze | gevaerts: in the movies they can suck millions of joules of energy from a AA :p |
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| 01:52:30 | postaldude | Does anyone have a dd dump of a 2gb Nano 1st gen that I could use to try to restore my Nano? |
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| 01:55:26 | gevaerts | postaldude: if you don't find one, first a dd from /dev/zero, followed by the MBR from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, then the firmware step from IpodManualRestore and finally mkfs.fat -F 32 _should_ be equivalent |
| 01:55:45 | gevaerts | postaldude: unplug and replug after the MBR step |
| 01:56:55 | postaldude | thanks, I will try right now |
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| 02:00:46 | gevaerts | postaldude: don't forget to unzip the .ipsw file. I did that once, and - surprise! - it didn't work |
| 02:01:40 | postaldude | AH! |
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| 02:02:40 | postaldude | I did not know that I had to unzip it :) |
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| 02:03:40 | gevaerts | postaldude: the IpodManualRestore says that, but since it's not called <whatever>.zip, it's easy to overlook if you unerstand what the steps actually mean |
| 02:04:08 | postaldude | yeah |
| 02:04:16 | gevaerts | postaldude: maybe try first without the dd if=/dev/zero. That takes ages |
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| 02:10:03 | gevaerts | The forums seem to be down |
| 02:10:11 | postaldude | I get the same error, here is what I did: |
| 02:10:20 | postaldude | dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sdc |
| 02:10:25 | postaldude | then unplug and replug |
| 02:10:38 | postaldude | then dd if=Firmware-14.5.3.1 of=/dev/sdc1 |
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| 02:10:51 | postaldude | and finally mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdc2 |
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| 02:12:16 | gevaerts | That looks correct to me. |
| 02:13:31 | postaldude | There is something weird |
| 02:13:41 | postaldude | I dumped sdc1 |
| 02:14:02 | postaldude | to a file and I opened it with an hex editor and then comapred it to the firmware that I downloaded |
| 02:14:27 | postaldude | the 2 are different |
| 02:15:28 | * | gevaerts looks around for people who know more about ipods |
| 02:16:02 | postaldude | Example: |
| 02:16:16 | postaldude | From the firmware that I downloaded: Copyright(C) 2001 Apple Computer |
| 02:16:33 | postaldude | From the dump: Copiright(C) "0 1 A`ple Com`udeb |
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| 02:18:14 | gevaerts | That looks like 1 bit wrong every 2 bytes |
| 02:18:24 | postaldude | yes |
| 02:18:42 | postaldude | orig: 7B7B7E7E20202F2D2D2D2D2D5C2020207B7B7E7E202F2020 |
| 02:18:55 | postaldude | dump: 7B6B7E6E20202F2D2D2D2D2D5C2020207B6B7E6E202F2020 |
| 02:19:10 | postaldude | thats really odd |
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| 02:20:01 | gevaerts | Or at least: 1 bit forced-0 every two bytes. I think the nano uses ata natively, which has a 16-bit data path. Maybe a loose connection somewhere ? |
| 02:20:30 | kpb | I don't mean to interrupt. I am looking to find the source code for ipodpatcher. |
| 02:20:39 | kpb | anyone know where I can find it? |
| 02:20:49 | krazykit | kpb, in svn |
| 02:21:06 | kpb | OK, I checked out the source |
| 02:21:07 | krazykit | or from the source tarball |
| 02:21:21 | kpb | under firmware?? or bootloaders |
| 02:21:23 | postaldude | is there some kind of checksum checking when data is transferred? |
| 02:21:47 | gevaerts | postaldude: usb uses crc checksums. |
| 02:22:36 | postaldude | Dont you think that it would rules out loose connection? |
| 02:22:43 | krazykit | kpb, honestly, not sure where from there. maybe grep for it? |
| 02:22:49 | gevaerts | I meant a loose connection inside the ipod |
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| 02:22:54 | postaldude | oh ok |
| 02:23:06 | kpb | OK thanks. I will poke around. |
| 02:23:39 | gevaerts | I don't know anything about the nano internals, so I don't know how plausible this is. With a disk-based player I would bet on it |
| 02:24:52 | postaldude | Then I guess that I am out of luck |
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| 02:25:09 | postaldude | Thanks a lot for your help gevaerts< |
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