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#rockbox log for 2008-03-24

00:00:00*Llorean has already turned down one applicant, arguably.
00:00:08gevaertsaustrian_guest: it seems to work on H320. It jumps about a bit too much to my taste, but with some patience I could probably tune this homebuilt thing of mine
00:00:54gevaertsaustrian_guest: no luck on c250, probably because of the fixed sample rate of 44100 Hz
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00:02:52austrian_guestgood to hear it works on the h320
00:03:30austrian_guestIf i figure out how to alter the recording samplerate, it will probably work on the sansas too
00:05:10*gevaerts would try on gigabeat f, but probably the lack of recording hardware might cause problems
00:05:26linuxstbgevaerts: Probably...
00:05:48gevaertsJust wait for usb host with audio support :)
00:06:47austrian_guestLine in could also work
00:08:45austrian_guestWhat recording samplerate do the sansas support?
00:11:29gevaertsaustrian_guest: the recording preferences on my c200 lets me choose 22050 Hz
00:18:19austrian_guestThanks
00:19:00LloreanCan the Gigabeat F host through the normal USB port, or would a dock adapter be needed?
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00:19:32gevaertsLlorean: it needs the dock
00:19:43austrian_guestgevaerts: Could you please try this on your c200: http://pastebin.com/d2a7fa250
00:19:57austrian_guestit should use the correct buttons and samplerate..
00:20:17Lloreangevaerts: The actual dock, or just an adapter with the right pins on the connector?
00:21:26gevaertsLlorean: I think it needs the dock's power supply for the 5V VBus. If you manage to provide those on an adapter it should work as well. The actual USB data lines are in the dock connector
00:23:02LloreanAh
00:23:13gevaertsaustrian_guest: Undefined instruction at 0006e9b4
00:23:43linuxstbAnyone think bitmap strips in the WPS is a MajorChange?
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00:23:52*gevaerts thinks that plugin writers should really define their instructions properly
00:24:05Lloreanlinuxstb: I think all new "features" are.
00:24:10gevaertslinuxstb: depends. Is wps authoring a major use case ? If so, yes
00:24:12austrian_guestIn what way?
00:24:24*gevaerts should have added a smiley
00:24:36shotofaddslinuxstb: if I were a wps author I'd want to know about that change, but what do i know ;)
00:24:46*linuxstb takes that as a yes, and adds it
00:24:50austrian_guestI'm waaayyy too tired...
00:25:11gevaertsaustrian_guest: there probably is some memory corruption somewhere
00:25:29linuxstbWhen was the M3 added as a supported target?
00:25:39linuxstb(that's missing from MajorChanges)
00:25:50Bagdertoday uh, yday
00:25:56*gevaerts is too tired to do any reasonable debugging, so he won't even try. This jigsaw puzzle however...
00:26:02*Bagder noticed we're passed midnight here
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00:27:26linuxstbBagder: So 23rd March?
00:27:28austrian_guestThere's no memory corruption on my X5. I'm too tired now - good night everyone. Thank you all for helping me!
00:27:33Bagderlinuxstb: yes
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00:40:07pickylinuxstb: ping
00:40:35linuxstbHello
00:41:05pickylinuxstb: is the 'i' parameter optional in the %xdni WPS tag?
00:41:23linuxstbYes.
00:41:33pickylinuxstb: it's not in brackets on the wiki page
00:41:34linuxstbI should put [] around it...
00:41:49linuxstbI'll fix that now.
00:42:14BigBambiBagder: On the current build page, should it not say Gigabeat F/X and not just Gigabeat F? (Like iriver H120/H140 for instance)
00:42:37BigBambilikewise for the manual page
00:42:37Bagderi guess it should...
00:42:52Bagderbut now I'm off to sleep...
00:43:33linuxstbpicky: OK, done. Thanks for pointing it out.
00:45:42pickylinuxstb: ok. I like how it reduced the number of the images needed
00:48:11linuxstbYes, it's a long-overdue feature IMO.
00:48:14pickylinuxstb: another question: what if the image height isn't exactly a multiple of the number of images in the tag?
00:48:56pickyAnd what if the i parameter will shoot over the last strip?
00:50:07linuxstbThat's two questions...
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00:51:26pickyI'll try to deduce the answers from the code. In code veritas! :-)
00:51:48linuxstbThere is currently no check for either. For the first case, the "extra" pixels at the bottom will just be ignored. For the second, I should add a safety check...
00:52:36linuxstbAlthough it's not really dangerous.
00:52:59domonok1linuxstb: a check would be good, or else a wps could possibly crash rockbox, not nice..
00:53:23linuxstbdomonok1: How would it crash? It would just copy some random data to the screen.
00:53:34pickylinuxstb: there are also tabs in wps_parser.c:1385
00:54:02linuxstbpicky: Thanks, I'll fix them.
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00:56:46pickylinuxstb: I also think a check would be better than some random data on the screen. Uncontrolled access, even just reading, is bad imho.
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00:59:22linuxstbpicky: I agree - I'm fixing it now ;)
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01:03:39linuxstbFix committed.
01:04:28linuxstbpicky: Anything else? ;)
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01:08:35pickylinuxstb: not now. Relax ;-)
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01:30:38pickylinuxstb: still here?
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01:31:22pickylinuxstb: could you put everything you put to the wiki page to the manual as well?
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01:41:51JdGordon|zzzamiconn: RED!
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01:45:25amiconnfxd
01:46:04*linuxstb is impressed JdGordon|zzz can spot red in his sleep
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01:49:29JdGordonmultifont patch peope are getting on my nerves again :p
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01:51:46JdGordonlinuxstb: (I hadnt seen your patch before commiting), isnt there a nicer way to use strip bmps so you could just do something like %?pv<%xdM> and it would automaticlaly display the correct part (assuming the image was setup for strips correctly?)
01:52:10JdGordon.. that line in the commit messgae looks horrible...
01:52:34amiconngrmbl
01:55:07*jhMikeS wonders about naming consistency when "grey_..._gray_bitmap..." is used ;)
01:55:53*amiconn wonders why he wrote || when he meant &&
01:56:09*gevaerts wonders about why grey and gray are both valid and correct words
01:56:32linuxstbJdGordon: That was my original idea, but a) I didn't know how to do it (but see my discussions about it with Nico_P in the logs); and b) Specifying sub-images individually is useful when you want to use the same strip in more than one conditional. So I think both methods would be nice.
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01:58:02JdGordonok
01:58:30JdGordonanyway, nice work.. should make wps' slightly easier to manage
01:58:32JdGordonfile wise
01:59:15amiconnjhMikeS: I didn't touch those in this commit. It's historical, as the graphics api description specifies *_gray_bitmap* for functions dealing with such bitmaps, and the library prefix for the greyscale lib is grey_
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02:10:38aliaskI've got an mp3 that consistently plays the first ~0.1s then skips (and often confuses the playback engine). What sort of things should I be doing to help debug?
02:12:49jhMikeSconfuses?
02:13:54aliaskI end up getting the wrong information on the WPS, and on occasion I think i've had it skip into the middle of another song.
02:14:10linuxstbIs your filesystem OK?
02:14:53aliaskfsck seems to have no problems with it.
02:15:07jhMikeSsounds like the playback engine doesn't enforce file boundaries or something
02:15:26aliaskThough this is a iPod 4G grey with a mini hard drive in it
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02:23:58aliaskHrm, actually a surface scan is actually brining up some bad clusters. I'll get them fixed and see if that resolves the issue
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02:54:03saratoga11111FS #8686 has a lot of TI specific code that should probably go into SVN
02:54:26saratoga11111in particular, some of the patches there do things like fill in blank function stubs
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02:55:19saratoga11111since the Creative ZVM port is well along, these should probably be looked at by someone with SVN access
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09:53:04amiconnlinuxstb: ping
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10:05:33linuxstbamiconn: Good morning
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10:09:41amiconnlinuxstb: Morning. I compared the cabbie v2 (old) and cabbiev2 (new) loading times on my H340 with the plain wps
10:10:21amiconnWith the new version I can't measure a difference in boot time to the plain wps. Old cabbiev2 was ~1.5 sec slower
10:10:58Mouser_XNice.
10:11:22amiconnI also got the "frozen gui when resuming on startup" effect several times during my tests
10:11:34amiconnHappened more often with the old version than the new one
10:12:07amiconnIt almost seems like the buffering code "forgets" to yield completely under certain conditions
10:13:14*amiconn still won't use cabbiev2 because of readability
10:13:42*Mouser_X uses Pixel, a Gigabeat WPS.
10:13:44amiconnIf there were a nice theme with clean icons and dark-text-on-white, I would probably use it...
10:14:08*amiconn can't stand bright text on black
10:14:10linuxstbThat's good news. I guess I can close the "wps tar file" task now then.
10:14:22amiconnYes I think so
10:14:44Mouser_XPixel needs fixing to be used on current builds though. Broken WPS tags or something.
10:14:57Mouser_X(I've fixed it for my use.)
10:17:02*amiconn uses one of 3 text-only wps'es (but with peakmeters), default colours except a solid rockbox-orange selector bar (on colour targets). Fonts vary with target, either rockfont-8 (archos), or a nimbus variant
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10:31:08Casainhohello Rockbox people :-9
10:33:54CasainhoI have some questions: If I have a system with an ARM, the SDRAM is directed accessed? It starts from 0x00000000 until end?
10:34:58JdGordonyes and depends where its mapped to
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10:35:42linuxstb__Casainho: Normally something else (ROM, NOR Flash) is mapped to 0x0 on boot.
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10:37:25Casainhoso, how rockbox knows what memories are mapped, it's start and end?
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10:38:52Casainhomy system will have SDRAM 64MB and 512 MB NAND FLASH
10:39:01linuxstb_That's hard-coded, depending on the hardware configuration.
10:39:49Casainhohmmm... - since I know, the bootloader will mapped it, I already have an example of bootloader to use
10:39:54linuxstb_Does your CPU have any SRAM (fast internal memory)?
10:40:06Casainhoyes, 4KB of SRAM
10:40:38linuxstb_Then that needs to be mapped somewhere as well.
10:41:45CasainhoI assume the the bootloader will do that, in this case, It will be the u-boot. But, how rockbox code will know here starts and ends externl SRAM?
10:42:13linuxstb_pixelma: Good morning. How is your cabbiev2 work going? I'm slowly converting them to bitmap strips, but don't want to change anything you're working on...
10:43:07pixelmaput new greyscale versions in the tracker yesterday evening (decided I'm done for myself but would like some comments)
10:43:17pixelmamorning too, btw. :)
10:45:22linuxstb_pixelma: OK, so I'll leave those two WPSs for now.
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10:48:03pixelmalinuxstb: also, I like the addressing each part of the bitmap strip on its own. E.g. in the Archos cabbiev2 I put two images into the "background" to reduce the number of images to load (that is the empty battery and the play icon), IIUC they could be left out in the bitmap strip too, right?
10:49:26pixelmawill convert the two greyscale WPSs then
10:51:18linuxstb_Yes, I think they probably could. Although maybe it's nicer to include all the icons in the strip - so they are all together.
10:52:20pixelmayes, it's also not so important anymore, now that it is only one bitmap now anyways...
10:53:31linuxstb_This is hard work though - I didn't realise we now have 10 different LCDs...
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10:55:04amiconnSomehow cabbiev2 doesn't look right at all on M3..
10:56:14amiconnThere's no backdrop, wps layout is broken, and wps has no icons
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10:56:57pixelmathe Iaudio remote WPS (which is used) of cabbiev2 has no icons but should have a backdrop
10:57:12amiconnWhy doesn't it have icons?
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10:58:04pickylinuxstb: ping
10:58:10pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS#128_x_96_2_bit_greyscale_iAudio space problem, I'd say
10:58:51pixelma(and no one did small enough greyscale icons)
10:59:38pixelmamaybe we could drop the "now playing bar" in favour of the "status bar" there, it became more important now
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11:00:15amiconnWell, for a remote on a target with a main lcd it might be okay. But no icons on a target with just one display is no good, imo
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11:00:38amiconnIn fact the layout seems to be ok, but the theme doesn't load the correct font
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11:01:00amiconn(had nimbus-12 here which is far more readable than this skinny one anyway)
11:01:05*pixelma should check whether this one empty line on the screenshot could be used
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11:02:39pixelmaand I even think that the other greyscale icons could be used (there is enough space in the status bar of the Mini version I did yesterday)
11:04:53pickylinuxstb: (for the log) One more idea about more checks in the wps: if num_subimages was specified in %X, check that an index was specified in all %d that refer to that image.
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11:11:10linuxstbpicky: I don't think that's needed - if you don't specify a subimage to display, Rockbox will default to displaying the first image. Similarly, if you don't specify a number of subimages with %xl, it defaults to 1 subimage
11:18:14pickylinuxstb: yes, I also thought that. But on the other hand, this would ensure more consice usage of num_images and make an accidental slip through more unlikely
11:20:05bertrikWhen I submit a patch/bug to the tracker I can select the type of player, but when searching in bugs I cannot. Am I overlooking something?
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12:03:59bertrikI noticed that quite a lot of bugs show some info like "data abort at x" or "undefined instruction at x". Can't we find out more about this using x?
12:04:35bertrikI played around a bit with arm-elf-addr2line and I can get the function name, but not the file name and line number.
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12:06:43bertrikit always shows libgcc2.c:0 for the file name and line number
12:07:07pixelmayou can find out more with the help of the .map files that are in your build dir (if you compiled yourself) - but I now nothing about the "howto"
12:07:22pixelmas/now/know
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12:09:24bertrikyes I know about the map file, it doesn't give much more information than addr2line
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12:25:12mooslinuxstb: congrates for your WPS works, and for your new device ;)
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12:32:14tywickraGuys .. any updates on iPod Classic ? any good news coming our way ?
12:32:28markunnope
12:32:36tywickra:(
12:32:56Horschtis anyone actualy working on it? I doubt that
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12:33:05tywickraoh i see
12:33:32tywickrabut how about the battery consumption on 5th gen iPods?
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12:33:44tywickrahow many hours approximately ?
12:33:51Horschthas gotten better, I once reached 17h
12:34:07Horschtaverage would be 15 - 16 hours, I assume
12:34:11tywickraHorscht, wow .. awesome !!
12:34:21Horscht(5.5G 80GB
12:34:36markuntywickra: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
12:34:47tywickranow i feel like going backwards.. finding a 5th gen 80 gig
12:35:40Mouser_XOr you could get a Gigabeat.
12:36:10tywickraMouser_X, can you get me a link if you don't mind ?
12:36:13Mouser_XThe Gigabeat F can be a reasonable price if you look around for it.
12:36:34Mouser_XI *do* mind. Mostly because I shouldn't be here anyway... I'm writing an essay.
12:36:36Mouser_XSorry.
12:36:57Mouser_XI've got a Gigabeat, and I love it.
12:37:20Horschthere in germany it was close to impossible to find a Gigaeat
12:37:29tywickrathe biggest issue i have with ipod is the absence of good customisable graphical EQ
12:37:35Horschtgerman ebay does not give a single result
12:38:16XannaxHello; something is bugging me, and I have seached extensively in the faq and manual, and I am sorry if what I am asking has been asnwered: my question is: in my ipod/notes/ipodloader.conf, what do I set as rockbox path? Whatever I enter it says err: cannot find file. I am under winXP ipod is FAT32, I installed the loader from ipodlinux but not ipodlinux, only rockbox and regular ipod firmware. Thanks in advance
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12:38:49markunHorscht: I think they were only sold in Japan, Australia, USA and UK
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12:39:12Horschtthat explains why I had to settle for an Ipod
12:39:56XannaxI know it is not a rockbox-related issue, but I thought this should be the best place to get advice
12:39:57Mouser_XDang.
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12:40:07HorschtXannax, the ipod linux wiki has information on that
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12:40:45handmademattersAny idea why i am getting this message at the very first start of compiling:
12:41:08HorschtXannax: Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
12:41:17tywickramarkun, good point .. it's available in AU :)
12:41:29handmademattersgcc -DAPPLICATION NAME ="bmp2rb" -g bmp2rb.c -0... No rule to make tgarget
12:42:50handmademattersThats the full failure message: gcc -DAPPLICATION_NAME=\"bmp2rb\" -g bmp2rb.c -o bmp2rb
12:42:50handmademattersmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `iaudio_bl_flash.bmp', needed by `iaudio_bl_flash.h'. Stop.
12:43:22XannaxHorscht: yes and i did everything listed there...in the discussion page, someone suggests entering the filename in dos8char format (rockbo~1.ipo) but that doesn't work either. I just can't get it to find my .rockbox folder, i tried absolute and relative paths, full-characters or 8
12:44:07HorschtXannax, sorry can't help you there. That entry worked for me when I was using loader2, but I stopped using it anyways
12:45:06XannaxHorscht: no, I tried that. Maybe because my conf is in "/notes/" and thus the path is not found? but when I move the conf file to the root, it is not loaded at all
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12:47:01Mouser_Xtywickra: If you're in Australia, then try to find a Gigabeat X. It might be more expensive than the Gigabeat F, but it will be cheaper to buy a new/larger hard drive for the X, than it would be for the X.
12:47:21Mouser_XAlso, the screen is slightly larger on the X (same resolution, but slightly larger in size).
12:48:42tywickraMouser_X, true .. i need a device where i can put most of my stuff i have all my music at 320kbps .. do you have any idea on the capacity ?
12:48:44Mouser_XThe Gigabeat F uses a 50-pin HDD connector, and the X uses a Zif-connector