| 00:00:06 | disorganizer | we could rotate viewports dynamically on the rwps |
| 00:00:14 | linuxstb | disorganizer: Remember Rockbox runs on DAPs, not graphic workstations... |
| 00:00:25 | linuxstb | And battery life is valuable ;) |
| 00:00:40 | * | disorganizer wants a 3d wps |
| 00:00:53 | amiconn | disorganizer: You can't easily rotate graphics, *especially* not on low-depth displays |
| 00:00:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: You must admit it'd solve the problem for people wanting portrait vs landscape displays. :-P |
| 00:01:39 | disorganizer | well, to be serious: 90deg rotation could be easy by just swapping x+y values in the viewport drawing routines |
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| 00:02:26 | linuxstb | There are no "viewport drawing functions" - just LCD drawing functions. And they're designed to draw in the native direction. |
| 00:02:35 | disorganizer | it may be needed to do a lcdwidth-y and lcdheight-x on some target depending on usability |
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| 00:03:03 | amiconn | disorganizer: Check the drawing functions. It is *far* more complicated than you might think to rotate stuff |
| 00:03:41 | amiconn | Drawing isn't done pixel-by-pixel - that would be far too slow on practically any target |
| 00:04:09 | * | disorganizer admits he has no clue about coding and just talks as a user here :-) hoping to bring in new ideas |
| 00:05:07 | disorganizer | sounds so easy :-( on first thought ( @jdgordon: like making a backup copy of the config ) |
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| 00:05:43 | amiconn | disorganizer: The idea isn't new at all, and was discussed numerous times |
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| 00:06:21 | disorganizer | amiconn: it was new to me :-) |
| 00:07:39 | * | disorganizer likes to go on people's nerves |
| 00:08:02 | linuxstb | I think runtime rotation could be done via the screens API (replacing the drawing functions with their rotated equivalents) - if all of Rockbox fully used the screens API. But I'm not convinced the feature is worth the effort - at least I won't attempt it... |
| 00:08:43 | amiconn | That means duplicating all drawing code - *and* all native bitmaps |
| 00:09:08 | amiconn | (unless you're willing to accept a serious performance drop in the rotated case) |
| 00:09:11 | Bagder | arbitrary rotation! |
| 00:09:13 | BigBambi | disorganizer: Why? |
| 00:09:16 | linuxstb | Yes, you would duplicate the drawing code. The bitmaps wouldn't need to be duplicated though - just less efficient in one direction... |
| 00:09:34 | amiconn | s/less/far less/ |
| 00:09:39 | disorganizer | nevertheless it would be an easy way to allow vertical progress bars and peakmeters :-) |
| 00:09:45 | disorganizer | BigBambi: why what? |
| 00:09:55 | linuxstb | disorganizer: No, it would be the hard way to implement those... |
| 00:09:57 | amiconn | Did you have a look at the bitmap drawing optimisations in the packed pixel case? |
| 00:10:01 | BigBambi | Why do you like to annoy people? What does it achieve? |
| 00:10:44 | disorganizer | BigBambi: hopefully i dont annoy them. going on other peoples nerves is not exactly annoying them ;-) just a tiny bit different |
| 00:10:54 | * | disorganizer hopes he doesnt annoy any1 here? |
| 00:10:55 | BigBambi | No, it is the same thing |
| 00:11:09 | BigBambi | Getting on someone's nerves means annoying them |
| 00:11:15 | scorche|sh | disorganizer: by saying "any1", i can now say that you most certainly do :) |
| 00:11:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I accept it's far less efficient. But that could be dealt with, e.g. by possibly rotating any loaded bitmaps in-place when rotating the screen. |
| 00:11:45 | disorganizer | scorche: that was my personal ping to you ;-) like the cul8r when i left work |
| 00:12:14 | BigBambi | It annoys many more people than scorche|sh |
| 00:12:21 | * | linuxstb isn't sure how many bitmaps we would be dealing with, or if performance would be an issue (outside the fonts) |
| 00:12:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: That would require a little slack ram at the end of each bitmap. The rotated bitmap might need more ram depending on its x and y dimension |
| 00:12:35 | amiconn | And what about the compiled-in bitmaps? |
| 00:12:59 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is performance an issue for those? e.g. the usb logo? |
| 00:13:13 | amiconn | built-in icons, .... |
| 00:13:13 | * | disorganizer didnt know fun was not on topic in here ;-) |
| 00:13:35 | BigBambi | disorganizer: Rockbox is on topic |
| 00:13:55 | BigBambi | #rockbox-community is for fun |
| 00:14:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: These problems are solvable though IMO. But as I said, I don't think the feature is worth the effort... |
| 00:14:19 | linuxstb | So there's no need to convince me not to do it ;) |
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| 00:16:11 | * | linuxstb wonders how stripwax's cube hacking is coming along |
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| 00:16:47 | preglow | cube hacking? |
| 00:16:50 | preglow | gourad shading? :> |
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| 00:17:26 | linuxstb | He was talking about the ships from Elite last time I spoke to him... |
| 00:17:28 | * | stripwax has a cobra mk3 spinning on his ipod :) |
| 00:17:39 | Shaid | haha |
| 00:17:46 | stripwax | flat shading still though. hardly magic.. |
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| 00:19:34 | stripwax | but (if I ever have time) I'd add a simple (flat) light source shader . gouraud would be .. a bit more work .. |
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| 00:20:14 | Shaid | I have a feeling the lack of floating points would make it a little harder. |
| 00:20:39 | stripwax | I was looking at some interesting arm routines for computing 1/sqrt using fixed point math.. |
| 00:21:11 | stripwax | wasn't Descent written using fixed point math or did I dream that? |
| 00:21:20 | Shaid | no idea |
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| 00:21:23 | Shaid | go grab the source and see |
| 00:21:51 | stripwax | Is USB storage enabled in a standard build? |
| 00:22:09 | disorganizer | got to go, good night to all of you |
| 00:22:29 | stripwax | On my local build I can see that my ipod 5g is requesting 500ma, I think I saw someone asking about that suggesting that it wasn't the case |
| 00:22:47 | preglow | stripwax: well, if you have lambert shading with a proper light source, gourad shading isn't much more work |
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| 00:23:23 | stripwax | preglow - indeed. I haven't got lambert shading :) |
| 00:23:47 | preglow | aha :) |
| 00:23:55 | preglow | and then, after that, phong! |
| 00:23:56 | preglow | :D |
| 00:24:32 | * | stripwax chuckles |
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| 00:25:41 | shotofadds | stripwax: there has been a fixed-point Descent, because I remember an Acorn (RISC OS) version being released some years ago. wonder if there's an open-source version available.... |
| 00:25:44 | jhMikeS | what, no ray tracing? |
| 00:25:56 | `Tanner | Can i play music that i purchased from the iTunes store while running Rockbox? |
| 00:26:08 | LambdaCalculus3 | `Tanner: Nope. |
| 00:26:15 | stripwax | Tanner - are they in unprotected mp3 format? |
| 00:26:27 | stripwax | or some other unprotected (no DRM) format? |
| 00:26:32 | `Tanner | Just a sec. |
| 00:27:33 | `Tanner | Meh. Mpeg-4 Audio file(Protected) is what i get... Dam |
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| 00:28:26 | stripwax | Tanner - yep - I'm afraid you'll be out of luck in Rockbox with those |
| 00:29:01 | `Tanner | Alright. But MP3 will work fine, right |
| 00:29:09 | linuxstb | right |
| 00:29:13 | LambdaCalculus3 | As long as they're DRM-free. |
| 00:29:22 | `Tanner | What does DRM stand for |
| 00:29:38 | LambdaCalculus3 | Digital Rights (Restrictions) Management. |
| 00:30:24 | `Tanner | When i boot into Rockbox, i won't see itunes purchased music., But when i boot back into standard iPod firmware, they will play? |
| 00:30:52 | LambdaCalculus3 | They'll still play in the iPod OF. |
| 00:30:59 | `Tanner | ok, Thanks. |
| 00:31:03 | LambdaCalculus3 | No problem. |
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| 00:35:34 | * | linuxstb looks for a volunteer to implement target-specific %V tag validation into checkwps |
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| 00:36:21 | linuxstb | (and loading bitmaps to validate them with Rockbox's bmp loader and image buffer size...) |
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| 00:36:49 | * | linuxstb suspects building 28 versions of checkwps will be simpler... |
| 00:37:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks for a volunteer to help test FS #8595 |
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| 00:44:38 | Nico_P | linuxstb: can't you just accept screen dimensions as an argument to it? |
| 00:44:58 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, but the parser is full of #ifdefs, not if()s... |
| 00:45:21 | linuxstb | So I think it would get very messy... |
| 00:45:30 | Nico_P | oh yes indeed |
| 00:47:27 | linuxstb | And looking at it, it's more than just the viewport tags - other parts of the parser are #ifdef'd out - e.g. for mono screens. |
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| 00:48:32 | linuxstb | So I think the only way to get 100% accurate parsing for rockbox-themes.org is to build target-specific versions... |
| 00:49:25 | linuxstb | Does anyone have any views on the WPS being rejected if bmps can't be loaded? |
| 00:49:45 | linuxstb | IIUC, currently missing bitmaps will just not be drawn. |
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| 00:51:55 | Nico_P | yes, you understand correctly |
| 00:52:31 | Nico_P | maybe a warning in checkwps would be good, but I don't think plainly rejecting the WPS on target is very nice |
| 00:53:03 | linuxstb | Why not? IMO that's just as broken as anything else being wrong... |
| 00:54:40 | Nico_P | it's not quite the same, because e.g. a missing end conditional could cause unexpected behaviour... in case of a missing picture there won't be any big problems |
| 00:54:57 | linuxstb | But it's still broken... |
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| 00:55:13 | linuxstb | i.e. not what the theme author intended. |
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| 00:55:25 | Nico_P | true |
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| 00:55:53 | * | Llorean likes "if it's broken, reject it" |
| 00:55:59 | Llorean | I don't like silent failures. |
| 00:56:28 | Chaotic | Ok, so I just got back from my meeting, and was wondering if anyone would mind helping me out with my iPod 4G Photo power problem |
| 00:56:59 | linuxstb | Chaotic: I wasn't paying close attention when you were first here, but do you get problems when running the Apple firmware? |
| 00:57:23 | Chaotic | linuxstb: No, it runs fine with Apple firmware |
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| 00:58:37 | Chaotic | linuxstb: I can recap the problem if needed |
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| 01:00:34 | Chaotic | it's actually charging now, and seems to be ok. I'm worried that it won't charge when I listen to music, which makes all the useful features of Rockbox out of my grasp. I almost exclusively listen to my ipod in the car whilst driving, plugged into a Monster radio transmitter/charger |
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| 01:03:06 | linuxstb | Chaotic: I don't think it's anything you're doing wrong - Rockbox is known to not charge correctly from USB on the ipods. |
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| 01:03:59 | Chaotic | linuxstx: I'm actually charging with the apple wall outlet adapter. Would that have the same problem? |
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| 01:04:46 | Chaotic | linuxstb: I'm actually charging with the apple wall outlet adapter. Would that have the same problem? |
| 01:05:24 | linuxstb | Chaotic: It depends if it connects to the ipod's USB or Firewire power pins. |
| 01:06:46 | Chaotic | linuxstb: ok. It is a USB cable that plugs into the square power plug. So that may be the issue. I'll have to check the power in the car adapter before and after a commute |
| 01:07:21 | Chaotic | linuxstb: Thanks for your help on that, it's certainly a drawback, but probably a livable one |
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| 01:08:11 | Chaotic | linuxstb: I'm going to ask one more question to the main channel, I don't want to monopolize your time. Thanks again. |
| 01:10:22 | Chaotic | So one last newbie question: When I plug my 4G iPod Photo in, it shows a charging icon. If I try to shut it down while plugged in, it will turn off, then immediately show the non-backlit apple logo, then the backlit apple logo, and boot back into Rockbox |
| 01:11:18 | Chaotic | it seems that there's no way for me to shut it down and still have it charge. If I unplug it, I can shut it down, but then it boots again the moment I plug it in. Is this expected behavior? I couldn't find the answer in the manual nor forum |
| 01:12:08 | Shaid | that's expected behaviour |
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| 01:12:36 | Chaotic | great. That explains a lot. Thanks Shaid & linuxstb! |
| 01:12:50 | Shaid | if you boot into the original firmware you can do what you're after |
| 01:13:00 | Shaid | but then to get back to rockbox you'll need to do a reboot |
| 01:13:01 | Chaotic | I can't seem to do that though |
| 01:13:44 | Chaotic | I slide the hold button when I see the apple logo, but it just says "cleared" on the rockbox main page but doesn't reboot to the apple firmware |
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| 01:13:59 | Shaid | you're doing it too late |
| 01:14:16 | Shaid | and that's the old method to boot into the OF |
| 01:14:24 | Shaid | nowdays you hold down menu straight after powering on |
| 01:14:42 | Shaid | or possibly I'm confused |
| 01:14:47 | Chaotic | Ah! Ok, was confused from the forum then. I'll give that a shot later |
| 01:14:50 | Shaid | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-280003.1.2 |
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| 01:15:30 | Chaotic | yeah, I must be doing it too late |
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| 01:16:57 | Chaotic | yep, that worked |
| 01:17:20 | Chaotic | Thanks again! Most heplful IRC channel I've been on in years! |
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| 01:19:26 | Chaotic | I'm going to take off. Thanks again Shaid and linuxstb |
| 01:19:39 | Shaid | You're welcome, Chaotic |
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| 01:21:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't feel very strongly about the parser rejecting or not rejecting the WPS if there are too many pictures. It makes just as much sense to me to reject it... feel free to implement it that way ;) |
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| 01:23:40 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I agree (for Rockbox itself), but I think rockbox-themes.org needs to reject such themes. So it's easier to just make Rockbox do the same thing. |
| 01:24:14 | Nico_P | probably |
| 01:24:55 | linuxstb | We'll need to take care of case sensitivity somehow though - assuming rockbox-themes.org is going to a Unix server... |
| 01:25:03 | linuxstb | (in filenames) |
| 01:25:26 | RexDart | Hmmm...is there some sort of problem with rockbox when switching between codecs for different filetypes in a playlist? |
| 01:25:28 | linuxstb | But I guess theme authors should respect that anyway - for people using sims on Unix |
| 01:25:33 | RexDart | My 5thG keeps crashing |
| 01:25:45 | RexDart | Songs stutter and it locks up totally |
| 01:26:12 | linuxstb | RexDart: How old is your Rockbox install? |
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| 01:26:20 | RexDart | let me ask it |
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| 01:26:43 | RexDart | quoth the rockbox: "16667-080314" |
| 01:27:04 | scorche|sh | RexDart: what other channel were you talkng about earlier? |
| 01:27:17 | linuxstb | That's quite old in Rockbox terms - can you update to the latest current build and test if it still happens? |
| 01:27:46 | RexDart | Will do. |
| 01:28:24 | linuxstb | RexDart: Something else to check is if your filesystem is free of errors (e.g. with chkdsk or fsck) |
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| 01:28:42 | RexDart | also good to know |
| 01:28:44 | RexDart | thanks |
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| 01:31:19 | RexDart | I wonder if rockbox will ever progress to the point where it has user-selectable navigation styles, like you could choose for it to behave like a rio carbon or something |
| 01:31:26 | Nico_P | linuxstb: checkwps loads files case-insensitively on windows? |
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| 01:32:17 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No, Windows does... |
| 01:32:33 | linuxstb | (IIUC...) |
| 01:32:41 | Llorean | RexDart: That sounds like customizable buttons, something we don't want. |
| 01:32:51 | Nico_P | what ways do we have of making it case sensitive there? |
| 01:33:10 | RexDart | Customizable buttons? |
| 01:33:18 | RexDart | oh, input method? |
| 01:33:27 | Llorean | RexDart: Well, what do you mean by "navigation styles" other than "navigating the UI"? |
| 01:33:47 | RexDart | the entire layout of the UI & how it's navigated |
| 01:33:58 | Llorean | Uhm... |
| 01:34:07 | Llorean | So, "which buttons are used to get around it"? |
| 01:34:14 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I guess we could make it scan a directory and do its own filename comparison... |
| 01:34:29 | Llorean | The "layout" as it were is just visual, not actually an aspect of navigation. |
| 01:34:51 | Llorean | But customizing what you press to get from place to place isn't going to happen in the official biuld. |
| 01:35:04 | RexDart | hmm |
| 01:35:06 | RexDart | too bd |
| 01:35:08 | RexDart | bad |
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| 01:35:32 | Nico_P | hmm yeah, that would work I guess |
| 01:35:55 | Nico_P | the dir shouldn't be too big either |
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| 01:38:36 | Cillian | Is it possible to alter the backlight brightness on a 5g ipod video in current rockbox software, or would it be reasonably trivial for me to add code to do that? |
| 01:39:38 | Cillian | (I figure it's possible from software because of the backlight fade in/out options) |
| 01:40:31 | linuxstb | Yes, there's a backlight brightness setting |
| 01:41:30 | Cillian | Where abouts? (I've never seen one, so either it's not in my build or I'm looking in teh wrong place) |
| 01:41:43 | linuxstb | Under LCD settings I would guess |
| 01:42:10 | linuxstb | Assuming you're running a recent Rockbox build - I think it was added about 6 months ago... |
| 01:42:38 | Cillian | Ah |
| 01:42:42 | Cillian | Mine might well be older than that |
| 01:42:50 | Cillian | And I certainly don't have that in LCD settings |
| 01:43:00 | amiconn | 4 months ago |
| 01:43:13 | Cillian | Ok, thanks for the help |
| 01:43:16 | amiconn | 12 Nov 2007 to be precise |
| 01:43:40 | * | linuxstb was only about 6 weeks out... |
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| 01:44:15 | Shaid | you might need to reset your settings, too |
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| 01:44:30 | Shaid | I had to before the backlight brightness setting took effect. |
| 01:44:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: As you're here, you can save me reading the code - does the bmp loader return an error if there is no room to load the bitmap, or does it truncate and return success? |
| 01:45:13 | * | linuxstb goes to read the code... |
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| 01:45:48 | amiconn | It returns various errors depending on what goes wrong |
| 01:46:01 | `Tanner | Can i play .FLV video files on my ipod while running rock box? |
| 01:46:09 | * | Cillian doubts it |
| 01:46:10 | Shaid | nope |
| 01:46:17 | `Tanner | Alright, thought so. |
| 01:46:20 | `Tanner | Thanks |
| 01:46:20 | linuxstb | Hmm... I can't make checkwps fail when loading too many bitmaps... |
| 01:46:27 | Cillian | Is there any video playback other than raw mpg on ipods? |
| 01:46:28 | amiconn | Works similar to read() and such - on success, it returns the amount of memory taken. rc <0 means error |
| 01:46:58 | barrywardell | hmmm. the current svn e200 bootloader no longer boots the of for some reason |
| 01:47:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: What does 'too many' have to do with the loader? |
| 01:47:53 | barrywardell | anyone have any suggestions as to which commit might have caused it? |
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| 01:48:06 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm pretty sure the loading won't even be attempted ig there isn't enough space to store the bitmap |
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| 01:49:15 | `Tanner | Can i play .WMV videos on my ipod while running RockBox ? |
| 01:49:22 | Shaid | nope |
| 01:49:25 | Shaid | just mpgs |
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| 01:49:37 | Llorean | `Tanner: I would strongly recommend you check out the manual. |
| 01:49:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mean too much data for the image buffer... |
| 01:49:54 | `Tanner | lol, alright. |
| 01:51:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you take into account that the image is converted to the internal pixel format on load? |
| 01:52:53 | linuxstb | It's my mistake - I thought I was loading 26 full-screen images, but the filename was misleading me, and they're not full-screen... |
| 01:53:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: I just discovered a WPS redraw bug |
| 01:54:12 | amiconn | It looks like that on track change, the whole display is cleared, so that the status bar disappears for a fraction of a second |
| 01:54:43 | linuxstb | Do you think that's new? I've a feeling I've seen that in the past (but may be mistaken) |
| 01:54:45 | amiconn | Happens on main & remote, in parallel. Observed on X5 |
| 01:54:55 | amiconn | Never observed it before |
| 01:55:48 | linuxstb | No, you're right, I think I've added an lcd_clear_viewport() for each viewport, and the default viewport includes the statusbar area (with a ymargin) - that needs fixing. |
| 01:56:09 | `Tanner | If an ipod nano is set up for a mac, is there any way to change that to pc ? |
| 01:56:14 | amiconn | You didn't test a wps with the statusbar enabled, did you? |
| 01:56:40 | Llorean | `Tanner: Restore with a PC version of iTunes, or follow the conversion instructions in our wiki |
| 01:57:00 | amiconn | Also, the wps code used to just redraw the parts which needed redraw, saving resources this way... |
| 01:57:01 | `Tanner | Thanks Llorean. You've been a great help. |
| 01:57:02 | linuxstb | I did, but not patiently enough to wait for track changes. Early versions of my patch had bugs when the statusbar was enabled/disabled. |
| 01:58:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't really understand the drawing code in the WPS, but will need to if I continue with my statusbar patch. So I'll definitely try and make it more efficient if I continue work on it. |
| 01:59:34 | linuxstb | Any idea when the partial redraw was removed? i.e. was it at the time of any particular change/new feature? |
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| 02:04:44 | Cillian | hm |
| 02:05:07 | Cillian | latest daily rockbox, and my ipod sits on the loader2 loading screen with the bar full, spinning the harddrive |
| 02:05:13 | Cillian | doing not much else |
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| 02:06:29 | Llorean | Cillian: Well, loader2 isn't our software. If it's stopping while in loader2, I suggest you try our loader and see if everything works. |
| 02:07:22 | Cillian | I realise that, I was just wondering if it was something someone else had come across (Since it's the rockbox update that triggered it) |
| 02:09:04 | linuxstb | Cillian: If you're running a very old loader2 (and were also running an older version of Rockbox), you should update loader2 as well. Or as Llorean suggested, just use the Rockbox bootloader. |
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| 02:09:57 | Cillian | It is indeed an ancient loader2 |
| 02:10:46 | Cillian | * has an idea * |
| 02:10:49 | linuxstb | Then that's very likely the problem. |
| 02:10:56 | Cillian | rockbox can reload it's kernely .ipod file, right? |
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| 02:11:16 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:11:27 | Cillian | Which has nothing to do with teh bootloader, when it does that? |
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| 02:12:09 | linuxstb | The problem is that the old loader2 doesn't initialise the second CPU core correctly when loading Rockbox - and there's nothing Rockbox can do about that later. |
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| 02:12:47 | Cillian | Ok, cheers |
| 02:13:17 | linuxstb | Older versions of Rockbox didn't use the second core, so it didn't matter. New versions do (a little) |
| 02:13:28 | Cillian | Cool |
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| 02:29:50 | barrywardell | looks like the bootloader problem came about with r16259 - disabling the hardware in PP502x |
| 02:30:25 | linuxstb | What bootloader problem? |
| 02:31:51 | Cillian | God, downloading 400KB files is painful |
| 02:34:38 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the sansa bootloaders don't load the of any more |
| 02:35:03 | barrywardell | I've tracked it down to that commit |
| 02:35:34 | * | linuxstb recalls asking if anyone had tested the bootloaders when that commit was made... |
| 02:37:40 | barrywardell | the hardware should probably not be disabled in the bootloader. much better to do it when rockbox starts up |
| 02:38:01 | barrywardell | or is that what it does already? I'm only just catching up with the changes now |
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| 02:38:52 | Cillian | Guh, now loader2 fails to load even the old rockbox |
| 02:39:51 | JdGordon | barrywardell: that would explain my sansa problems... i installed rockbox svn on it the other day and cant get into the OF at all... |
| 02:39:59 | linuxstb | Cillian: I can't remember if that's expected, but why would you want to load an old Rockbox? |
| 02:40:40 | Cillian | Since the new one doesn't work either |
| 02:40:42 | Cillian | :P |
| 02:40:58 | barrywardell | JdGordon: reverting to r16258 makes everything work fine again. there's a lot of changes to look at it r16259 though |
| 02:41:09 | Cillian | Aha |
| 02:41:23 | Cillian | Looks like the new loader2 doesn't use 8.3 filesnames anymore - old one did |
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| 02:46:50 | Cillian | Awesome work :) |
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| 02:49:04 | saratoga2 | barrywardell: I've not been able to update my sansa bootloader to try your new patch |
| 02:49:19 | saratoga2 | sansapatcher always failed |
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| 02:49:33 | barrywardell | which patch? and what error did sansapatcher give? |
| 02:49:49 | confetti | Just a quick question. Is rockbox anywhere near runnable on zune? |
| 02:49:54 | scorche | no |
| 02:50:14 | confetti | will it be? |
| 02:50:22 | scorche | it wont be with no one working on it |
| 02:50:30 | confetti | noone is? |
| 02:50:43 | confetti | sad. :( I don't know how or I probably would be ;) |
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| 02:51:05 | scorche | no...no one currently is actively working on the zunbe |
| 02:51:06 | linuxstb | Not that sad - there are 28 other devices Rockbox runs on, and more on the way... |
| 02:51:58 | confetti | no, not sad as a whole. rockbox isn't sad. it is sad that zune doesn't support it :( |
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| 02:52:58 | saratoga2 | barrywardell: unfortunately i don't have the sansa in front of me so i can't double check, but when I last tried it I got some unspecific error about short write faililng if I remember correctly |
| 02:53:09 | saratoga2 | i looked through the source but couldn't see anything obviously wrong |
| 02:53:27 | saratoga2 | and i was able to flash it once before to the rockbox bootloader |
| 02:54:17 | saratoga2 | i wouldn't have asked without it in front of me, but i haven't seen you online in a while |
| 02:56:09 | barrywardell | saratoga2: which os were you using? |
| 02:56:36 | barrywardell | saratoga2: and was that complied from svn? or the one on the download server? |
| 02:56:38 | saratoga2 | i compiled the bootloader under Linux, but ran sansapatcher (downloaded from the website) under windows |
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