#rockbox 2008-03-27

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#rockbox log for 2008-03-27

00:00:49	jhMikeS	Nico_P: I take it the event log is heavily filtered.
00:01:04	Nico_P	it only displays playback events
00:01:22	*	gevaerts looks around for people who know how hardware works to comment on his conclusions
00:01:33	jhMikeS	why is it jsut pause events?
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00:02:17	Nico_P	jhMikeS: there are others too (Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER, Q_AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED)
00:03:25	linuxstb_	kugel: No. But if you want to parse a viewport struct, you should adapt the parse_viewport() function in apps/gui/wps_parser.c, rather than use parse_list directly.
00:03:51		Quit mirak (Client Quit)
00:04:51	kugel	linuxstb_: No, I don't want parse a vp struct directly. Thanks
00:04:57	jhMikeS	yeah but what's with the 4 Q_AUDIO_PAUSEs being sent with no other playback events
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00:05:15	jhMikeS	I mean like Q_AUDIO_PLAY in between
00:05:28	GameJerk	there a way to have the music keep playing when i hit the menu button instead of it fading out and pausing?
00:05:47	XavierGr	gevaerts: these are the results for high or full speed?
00:05:54	Nico_P	jhMikeS: that's because I was pausing and unpausing. unpause is done by sending Q_AUDIO_PAUSE with false as a vaule
00:06:02	gevaerts	XavierGr: high speed
00:06:10	XavierGr	gevaerts: Nice!
00:06:14	scorche\|sh	GameJerk: read the manual please...the last few questions are answerable in there
00:06:33	XavierGr	Hopefully I will have a c240 the next days so I will be able to help in testing (if it isn't a v2)
00:06:35	Nico_P	jhMikeS: the logf message is actually different, but there isn't enough space in the logf buffer for the latter part
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00:06:51	gevaerts	XavierGr: I'm not sure if I agree. Having to disable _all_ interrupts is not very nic
00:06:57	gevaerts	s/nic/nice/
00:07:20	XavierGr	well at least you have a slight idea what is to blame for not working properly
00:07:24	jhMikeS	Nico_P: yeah, was gonna say. now I see.
00:07:55	gevaerts	Yes, but it seems to rule out any kind of creative use of usb (audio,...)
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00:08:23	XavierGr	gevaerts: ah yes, indeed, forgot that part
00:08:45	gevaerts	Unless some hardware-wizard can think of a solution
00:09:17	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I can't try your patch right now but I will ASAP
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00:14:34	amiconn	gevaerts: How about just disabling interrupts during the actual block transfer?
00:15:15	*	amiconn still doubts that this is the root of the problem though
00:15:30	amiconn	It might still be an effect of something we're doing wrong
00:15:38	GameJerk	scorche: i found the fade out on pause/stop option but i can't find anything referring to being able to have the music continue playing when i hit the menu button
00:15:48	gevaerts	That could work. The problem is that in theory a transfer can take a long time (seconds...) if the bus is very busy
00:17:05	amiconn	Hmm, isn't a block always transferred in one piece?
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00:17:58	markun	I want to simplify the #ifdefs in firmware/SOURCES a bit. Do you think it's better to have a NO_ATA or a HAVE_ATA define?
00:18:14	markun	(or maybe something else)
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00:18:39	gevaerts	No (unless you use 512 byte blocks). And even if it was, we have no control over when it is actually sent. We just tell the controller that this block is ready in case the host asks for it
00:19:00	amiconn	Aren't the block on the bus always 512 byte (or less)?
00:19:22	gevaerts	On the bus the packets are 512 bytes (for high speed)
00:20:18	amiconn	Ah, yes, packets I mean
00:21:06	gevaerts	but this controller is pretty high level, so the software can't directly touch packets
00:22:22	amiconn	I sincerely doubt the apple OF (or any other PP OF) disables all interrupts permanently during usb connection
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00:24:25	gevaerts	Actually, I think (but have not verified) that in our current situation you can basically do anything as long as you only touch IRAM and leave the external RAM to the USB controller.
00:24:30	amiconn	Interrupts or not, the CPU core(s) is/are running in parallel to the usb controller. And when they're running, they're reading code andreading and writing data
00:26:21	amiconn	But maybe a cache line miss (and hence fetch) is what disturbs the controller, so it's not the fact that interrupts are running, but rather the fact that interrupts routines are more likely to cause cache misses? (speculating...)
00:26:55	gevaerts	possibly.
00:27:33	amiconn	jhMikeS: I vaguely remember having seen something about priorities, so maybe there are configuration bits to configure cpu vs. usb controller (vs. dma engine??) priority for ram accesses?
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00:30:06	countrymonkey	I guess patches 8722, 8737, and 8761 are ready for commit?
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00:32:55	*	bluebrother wonders what "changes were made" this bookshare guy is talking about
00:33:23	countrymonkey	what task? I'm bookshare
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00:33:49	roolku	bluebrother: I aggree that the play button should resume, but never got around changing it
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00:34:51	bluebrother	roolku: using this display button for switching to the file browser from wps is also confusing -- all my other targets use select instead.
00:35:13	bluebrother	I might give it a try once I find the time. No big deal ...
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00:36:06	countrymonkey	If you mean task 8722 than the changes are 2 deprecated strings
00:36:15	roolku	bluebrother: as for lineout - it is not wired to the dock connector in the player
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00:37:03	roolku	bluebrother: I thought about a hardware mod, but I am not really using the player...
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00:38:03	bluebrother	strange. Don't they have enough pins on that connector? Oh well.
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00:38:43	bluebrother	countrymonkey: yep, I was referring to FS #8722. This guy could really be a bit more descriptive IMO.
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00:40:24	countrymonkey	I'm bookshare. I'm sorry. I said made today because there was a date stamp on the comment and the strings were depricated that day.
00:41:48	roolku	bluebrother: I think they couldn't spare the space for the required capacitors on the circuit board - there are plenty of spare pins
00:42:01	*	bluebrother would really appreciate if people won't use different nicks in all places
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00:42:28	*	linuxstb_ apologises...
00:42:38	countrymonkey	What's wrong with that?
00:43:28	*	linuxstb_ retracts that apology (he thinks...)
00:43:58	*	gevaerts can't remember what nick he uses on the tracker
00:44:22	linuxstb_	Bagder: Missing arm compiler on femlab.bme.duke.edu ...
00:44:29	countrymonkey	You use fg
00:44:35	Nico_P	linuxstb_: you managed to fix the printf warnings in checkwps? congratulations!
00:44:45	Nico_P	how did you do it?
00:44:47	gevaerts	So I have two nicks and one wikiname
00:46:17	linuxstb_	Nico_P: I forget now - there were so many warnings to fix (fixing one introduced another...)
00:46:26	bluebrother	well, in your case it's kinda obvious. But non-obvious cases can be quite confusing (and therefore annoying)
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00:47:47	countrymonkey	So it can be committed?
00:47:57	countrymonkey	I mean, so they can be committed?
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00:50:47	*	linuxstb_ guesses the broken build server belongs to saratoga
00:50:47	jhMikeS	amiconn: I just randomly named a register CACHE_PRIORITY with no real idea what it is.
00:51:17	gevaerts	Nice random name :)
00:52:36	*	bluebrother is annoyed by rbutil creating files on $HOME without asking
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00:53:16	linuxstb_	bluebrother: Didn't you write rbutil?
00:53:55	bluebrother	not that part of it.
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00:55:03	bluebrother	and there's a bug in bootloader installed detection.
00:55:55	linuxstb_	What files get created in $HOME?
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00:57:40	bluebrother	it created a folder "Olympus mrobe100 Original Firmware Backup" and puts the mi4 file into it
00:58:08	gevaerts	So wa
00:58:16	*	gevaerts blames his keyboard
00:58:18	bluebrother	it should at least ask me about it (or tell me that it has done this)
00:58:28	gevaerts	So what if you have two mrobe100s ?
00:58:42	bluebrother	it will overwrite the first backup
00:58:45	linuxstb_	Shouldn't it just rename to OF.mi4 on the device?
00:59:19	bluebrother	yes. But after some discussion Domonoky added this "host backup".
00:59:47	linuxstb_	What does the bootloader install actually do?
00:59:48	bluebrother	I disliked that idea from the beginning and now I got hit by it.
01:00
01:00:08	linuxstb_	(on the mrobe100)?
01:00:19	bluebrother	move PP5020.mi4 to OF.mi4, download PP5020.mi4 and put it in place (all in the System folder on the player)
01:00:29	jhMikeS	btw, any yielding takes control of the interrupt level since there really no safe way to mask and restore them anyway when giving control to other code
01:00:54	bluebrother	I was skimming the bootloader installation code and wondering if there could be some stuff consolidated
01:01:23	*	Nico_P has been reading about LLVM and it looks really promising
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01:01:43	bluebrother	originally I was searching why rbutil told me the bootloader is already installed (though it wasn't)
01:02:07	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:02:16	bluebrother	that code is also not too robust. Another item on my todo list ...
01:02:33	*	bluebrother starts to feel like a grumpy old man
01:04:26	preglow	anyone tried that mikmod codec?
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01:05:25	linuxstb_	amiconn: Regarding the (real) red on iriver - it's because I removed adc.h from lcd.h.... I can fix if you want.
01:05:38	preglow	ah, it's a plugin
01:05:40	kugel	linuxstb_: parse_list again. If I have 12\|13\|, and I only need the last one, what should I do? NULL,&b didn't work
01:05:47	amiconn	linuxstb: Please do.
01:05:51	linuxstb_	s/lcd.h/lcd-remote.h/
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01:06:15	linuxstb_	kugel: You have to use all the parameters - why have them there otherwise?
01:06:17	amiconn	Although, the remote type detection doesn't belong where it currently is (lcd driver)
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01:07:15	kugel	because I need for one part the complete list, and for another part only the last part
01:07:18	Nico_P	jhMikeS: I just tried your OS stacks screen patch and I don't see any weird value
01:07:39	barrywardell	amiconn: did you see my question earlier about the H10 lcd driver?
01:07:50	*	amiconn scrolls back
01:08:23	*	countrymonkey needs to eat dinner
01:08:55	bluebrother	someone with an account at sandisks forums around?
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01:09:09	Llorean	bluebrother: Aye.
01:09:28	bluebrother	Llorean: you're aware of this thread? http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=9721&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
01:10:01	bluebrother	the admins telling that all support questions should go to rockbox.org is a bit ... well, annoying, as the thread is about an unofficial installer
01:10:10	Llorean	Quite. I've emailed the moderator who started it and asked him to either remove the suggestion that people ask us for help, or change the installer mentioned to be the official one.
01:10:29	barrywardell	amiconn: basically, setting clcd_clock_src to PLL breaks OF loading in the H10 bootloader and I was wondering if you thought it was okay to define it out for the bootloader? and if it should also be done for smal H10?
01:11:14	bluebrother	Llorean: nice. I'm sometimes wondering why we are writing an official installer if people frequently come up with unofficial and broken ones.
01:11:22	amiconn	You could define it out. Doing so means that the LCD runs a lot slower especially at high cpu clock though
01:11:54	barrywardell	but only in the bootloader which probably doesn't matter too much?
01:11:59	Llorean	bluebrother: Well, that installer might predate a working RBUtil on Sansa.
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01:12:46	amiconn	Setting bits 30 and 31 to 1 means the LCD controller is clocked from the PLL, i.e. it runs at 80 MHz when the cpu is boosted. With both bits set to 0 it runs from the base clock (24MHz)
01:13:08	amiconn	I really wonder why that setting breaks the OF.
01:13:26	amiconn	Hmm, wait
01:13:35	barrywardell	amiconn: it's necessary for the (big) H10 bootloader. without it, the OF doesn't start up properly
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01:14:51	amiconn	barrywardell: I think I know why that happens. It's probably unnecessary to comment out for small H10
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01:15:00	amiconn	Remember the speed setting registers?
01:15:02	bluebrother	hmm, good point.
01:15:40	*	linuxstb_ wonders if the build system has died, or just resting...
01:15:51	amiconn	We still didn't do a complete series of measurements in order to use the fast fifo-ed transfer on big H10
01:15:56	barrywardell	amiconn: ah, yes.
01:15:58	amiconn	On small H10, it just works
01:16:11	amiconn	So I guess the OF will also work
01:16:19	barrywardell	big H10 ended up too fast for the controller IIRC
01:16:32	amiconn	Yes, but the speed can be programmed
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01:17:00	amiconn	...which the big H10 iriver loader doesn't do, but the small H10 iriver loader does
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01:17:08	linuxstb_	saratoga: Hi... bah...
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01:17:31	*	amiconn should really do a series of experiments with that
01:17:36	linuxstb_	saratoga: Is femlab.bme.duke.edu your build server?
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01:17:47	amiconn	Would be nice to compare results with a big H10 then...
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01:18:25	amiconn	barrywardell: I'd say disable it for big H10 bootloader for now, putting a big comment that lcd controller speed settings need work...
01:18:35	barrywardell	I did a seried of experiments with my (big) H10 previously. there's a link somewhere in the IRC logs
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01:18:44	barrywardell	amiconn: OK, will do
01:18:50	amiconn	Is that link target still available
01:18:52	amiconn	?
01:19:02	*	amiconn needs to find that link as well
01:19:19	barrywardell	I think it was pastebin, available indefinitely but can't remember exactly
01:19:26	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: Is femlab.bme.duke.edu your build server?
01:19:32	*	amiconn fetches the latest bunch of logs now that listlogs.pl is back
01:21:28	*	amiconn usually sets pastebin contents to limited lifetime
01:21:35	amiconn	If I don't forget it, that is
01:21:44	*	gevaerts is going to sleep
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01:22:10	*	linuxstb_ is still trying to see if his commits were green...
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01:26:03	saratoga22222	linuxstb_: yes and i've just corrected that
01:27:08	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: Thanks.
01:28:53	barrywardell	amiconn: found my original records
01:29:22	barrywardell	amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/958928
01:29:23	amiconn	I've found the correct log. 2007-10-12
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01:32:33	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: I've just made another commit if you want to wait to see if your server's OK now.
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01:35:15	*	amiconn wants the buildmaster script to become a bit more intelligent :\
01:35:26	saratoga22222	linuxstb: is there someway I can tell besides watching top?
01:35:50	saratoga22222	linuxstb_: you too
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01:37:26	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: Just check the build table in a few minutes. But I guess if arm-elf-gcc is running, it's OK.
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01:39:37	saratoga22222	is there someway on the table to see what machine built what?
01:40:06	Matt65	I just tried installing rockbox, following the instructions word for word on a Sansa e260. NOT v2. After it reset it brought up the sandisk loading screen, and froze there
01:40:06	amiconn	Hover over the table cell...
01:40:14	saratoga22222	oh never mind
01:41:46	saratoga22222	I don't understand this
01:41:47	saratoga22222	73 Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@femlab.bme.duke.edu/build-ipodcolor
01:41:47	saratoga22222	73 Copied rbclient@femlab.bme.duke.edu:build-ipodcolor/rockbox.zip in 3 seconds, 725193 bytes/second
01:41:54	saratoga22222	did it get the zip or not?
01:42:14	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: Check the build logs for any of the red builds - arm-elf-gcc isn't in yout path
01:43:53	Matt65	can anyone point me in the right direction atleast?
01:44:32	linuxstb_	Matt65: Which instructions did you follow? manual or automatic install?
01:44:33	saratoga22222	rbclient@biosgroup-desktop:~$ arm-elf-gcc
01:44:33	saratoga22222	arm-elf-gcc: no input files
01:44:35	saratoga22222	rbclient@biosgroup-desktop:~$ arm-elf-gcc
01:44:35	saratoga22222	arm-elf-gcc: no input files
01:45:15	linuxstb_	saratoga22222: Are you ssh'ing to the machine to login as rbclient?
01:45:22	saratoga22222	linuxstb_: yes
01:46:14	linuxstb_	Is the path set in acbuild.pl ?
01:46:37	saratoga22222	linuxstb: I set it in .profile
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01:48:57	saratoga22222	ah acbuild.pl redefines the path
01:50:26	linuxstb_	It doesn't redefine it, but it can add extra directories to the path
01:50:36	saratoga22222	hmm that shouldn't matter
01:51:29	saratoga22222	can i invoke that script on my own to see whats happening?
01:51:38	linuxstb_	I would guess that the build script is invoking a non-interactive shell, hence .profile isn't read - just .bashrc
01:52:37	linuxstb_	That script takes a lot of complex parameters - it's not straightforward to run outside the build system
01:53:03	linuxstb_	If I was you, I would simply fix the path in acbuild.pl - that's what that line is for.
01:53:16	saratoga22222	i don't understand what it should be
01:53:23	saratoga22222	the default seems to point to the binary
01:53:27	saratoga22222	but shouldn't it be the path?
01:53:48	linuxstb_	What does the PATH line contain in your copy of acbuild.pl?
01:54:17	linuxstb_	Mine is $ENV{'PATH'}.=":/usr/local/sh-1/bin:/usr/local/coldfire/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin";
01:54:47	saratoga22222	my acbuild.pl appears to have vanished somehow
01:57:34	saratoga22222	made a new one
01:57:43	saratoga22222	so i have to wait for a commit to see if its working?
01:58:45	linuxstb_	I wonder if something/someone deleted that file because of the errors... The latest build was clean.
01:59:42	linuxstb_	But yes, you need to wait for a commit to see if it's working. You could just commit a trivial change somewhere though...
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02:01:18	saratoga22222	i'll do that
02:02:33	linuxstb_	Matt65: That's obviously unexpected behaviour... What install instructions did you follow? (manual or automatic)?
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02:08:19	saratoga22222	hmm my machine didn't build anything
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02:09:33	linuxstb_	Yes, the latest set of builds happened when your acbuild.pl was missing.
02:10:01	*	linuxstb_ needs to sleep, goodnight.
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02:14:28	Beta2K	Not allowed
02:14:33	Beta2K	Developers can't sleep
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03:43:28	kugel	JdGordon: What happened to your idea of "viewportifying" quickscreen? Was a bit quite after your (horrible :) ) commit some weeks ago. Even though, quickscreen with viewports would be nice (escpecially since I want to make the quickscreen consistent with the (custom) list, see FS #8799)
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04:45:19	digger	hey can someone help me
04:45:29	digger	can someone help me
04:46:26	scorche	not if you dont ask a question...
04:46:34	digger	i have a ipod nano 2cd gen
04:46:40	digger	and i cant seem to get it to work
04:46:56	scorche	did you look at the front page?
04:47:00	digger	no
04:47:17	scorche	you didnt even look at www.rockbox.org?
04:47:36	digger	yea at the builds but nano 2cd gen isnt on there
04:47:46	scorche	look at www.rockbox.org ...
04:48:23	digger	so it dont work with 2cd gen nanos
04:48:33	scorche	right
04:48:44	digger	is there any other things like rockbox that do
04:48:48	scorche	no
04:48:53	digger	that bullshit
04:48:55	digger	thanks
04:48:58	scorche	...
04:49:04	digger	umm are they wokring on 2cd gen nanos?
04:49:28	scorche	no "they" arent...it doesnt quite work like that
04:49:45	digger	well thanks for the help ill try and trade with my sister she has a first gen
04:49:56	scorche	people with the device and the ability come forward and do the port
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05:33:27	herbi	is there a bpm counter plugin for rockbox?
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