| 00:00:14 | * | BigBambi was just about ask if you were familiar with Rockbox :) |
| 00:00:25 | linuxstb | phinze: Do any of the ideas on our wiki interest you? Or do you have your own suggestion(s)? |
| 00:00:44 | phinze | one question that popped into my mind was about the scrollbar on the H10, which is still only implemented as up/down buttons... what's preventing that from working as it is meant to? |
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| 00:01:46 | linuxstb | I know there are issues with the button driver, but I'm not sure what you mean by "meant to"? |
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| 00:02:27 | BHSPitLappy | dangit, this guy's gonna knock me out of the running |
| 00:02:35 | phinze | well... as i don't have an ipod i don't know how the scroll wheel works in rockbox... but i would imagine it would be similar |
| 00:02:54 | phinze | moving your finger up and down the tracking area moves the cursor |
| 00:03:01 | phinze | rather than the top just being up and the bottom being down |
| 00:03:17 | BigBambi | the scroll wheel scrolls as you move your finger round it |
| 00:03:48 | Nico_P | phinze: there's a patch in the tracker that attempts to improve that, but it's not good enough yet |
| 00:03:54 | markun | phinze: the gigabeat could also use any such improvements |
| 00:03:59 | markun | and soon the meizu |
| 00:04:01 | phinze | BigBambi: right, so the scroll bar would be like the scroll wheel unrolled and mounted vertically |
| 00:04:21 | phinze | gotchya |
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| 00:04:37 | BigBambi | the gigabeat could do with the stupid cross being ripped out and replaced by something sensible (like a tactile one) |
| 00:04:42 | bluebrother | don't forget the mrobe100 ;-) |
| 00:04:56 | phinze | haha |
| 00:04:57 | markun | BigBambi: you buy another player man |
| 00:05:06 | BigBambi | markun: I have 5 |
| 00:05:14 | phinze | one for each finger? |
| 00:05:30 | gevaerts | BigBambi: that means you're the type to buy another one |
| 00:05:30 | markun | (if you have only 1 hand) |
| 00:05:35 | scorche | BigBambi: you only have...bah |
| 00:05:40 | BigBambi | And when the beast port is completed it'll replace the F as my day-to-day player |
| 00:06:16 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, how much is being looked for in the abstracts/descriptions? |
| 00:06:35 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: in terms of number of chars? |
| 00:06:44 | gevaerts | phinze: anyway, I don't think getting a scrollbar working is worth a GSoC project ;) |
| 00:06:50 | BHSPitLappy | scorche, well, I know the character limits :) |
| 00:06:57 | BHSPitLappy | general detail level / wordcount |
| 00:07:13 | phinze | gevaerts: thanks that's what i was wondering |
| 00:07:29 | scorche | be as detailed as you can without going over the limit |
| 00:07:38 | BHSPitLappy | phinze, perhaps try porting rockbox to run on Linksys routers |
| 00:07:43 | * | phinze goes back to the list and strokes his chin |
| 00:07:47 | phinze | BHSPitLappy: haha |
| 00:07:54 | phinze | that would be ... interesting |
| 00:07:55 | scorche | if you answer our template and have a bit more, that should put you around the limit |
| 00:08:27 | gevaerts | phinze: have you ever done anything with USB ? |
| 00:08:42 | phinze | i haven't, but that doesn't me that i can't ;) |
| 00:08:46 | phinze | *mean |
| 00:09:07 | phinze | thinking about MTP? or iPod fakery? |
| 00:09:33 | gevaerts | I think iPod fakery might be hard (and I personally don't care about that) |
| 00:09:49 | * | scorche would rather see soemthign useful to most/all targets |
| 00:09:59 | * | phinze agrees |
| 00:09:59 | markun | like usb audio :) |
| 00:10:18 | phinze | markun: what does that entail? |
| 00:10:26 | * | gevaerts counts portalplayer targets |
| 00:11:24 | markun | phinze: being able to use a player as a soundcard, when you are at a place where there is none (like my office PC) |
| 00:11:39 | phinze | ooo |
| 00:11:44 | phinze | fancy |
| 00:11:49 | gevaerts | It should be possible |
| 00:12:59 | phinze | hmm... |
| 00:13:06 | gevaerts | Basically, it would work on PortalPlayer targets, and the Gigabeat S (once people find out how to enable USB there). |
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| 00:14:28 | phinze | so the player needs to show up to the host as a USB soundcard? |
| 00:14:56 | gevaerts | There are two caveat with that : we still have reliability problems with USB, and we have no idea when those will be solved. Another is that it uses USB isochronous transfers, which is something we have not done yet, so it might present unexpected difficulties |
| 00:16:10 | gevaerts | phinze: yes. I actually will probably commit some changes soon that makes the player show up as a USB soundcard without any features (no output, no input,...). That's the easy part... |
| 00:16:47 | phinze | gevaerts: those sound like Rather Serious Issues, especially USB reliability |
| 00:17:00 | phinze | how often do problems show up? |
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| 00:18:39 | gevaerts | phinze: depends. What actually seems to happen is that the USB controller can't access RAM fast enough (DMA) if the CPU is doing too much at the same time. It seems more of a problem on PP5022 than on PP5020, so it might work pretty well on H10 |
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| 00:19:55 | gevaerts | phinze: right now, it means that USB storage works well for some people, reasonably well for some others, and not at all for others |
| 00:20:02 | phinze | gotchya, so the result would then be corrupted data? is it detectable? |
| 00:20:39 | phinze | gevaerts: i've never had trouble with mounting my H10 |
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| 00:21:15 | BigBambi | phinze: Have you enabled the USB stack then? As by default it isn't on (and you have had to transfer via the OF) |
| 00:21:23 | gevaerts | Not corrupted data. What happens is that USB packets get shortly interrupted, which makes the entire packet fail if the host enforces strict timing constraints. If that happens too often there is basically no connection |
| 00:22:09 | * | gevaerts adds one caveat. If the connection drops halfway through, and doesn't recover, of course you can have some corrupted data... |
| 00:22:11 | phinze | BigBambi: this is where my lack of knowledge of rockbox's internals is going to embarrass me |
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| 00:22:24 | phinze | BigBambi: OF? refers to emergency connection mode? |
| 00:22:28 | gevaerts | phinze: what revision are you using ? |
| 00:22:56 | BigBambi | phinze: To use the recently new USB stack, you need to add a couple of defines to the make file before building (or to the platform config file) |
| 00:22:56 | * | phinze pulls out h10 |
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| 00:23:00 | * | gevaerts remembers the bug that enabled usb storage on H10 unintentionally. |
| 00:23:05 | BigBambi | phinze: OF = original firmware |
| 00:23:21 | phinze | BigBambi: thanks :) |
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| 00:24:27 | gevaerts | With USB audio, you could do all sorts of things like using the FM radio as input, or even using codec output as PC input, adjusting volume on the player remotely,... |
| 00:25:26 | phinze | gevaerts: that does sound pretty cool. so in your mind importance(USB Audio) > importance(MTP) ? |
| 00:25:36 | gevaerts | Actually, we don't seem to have those reliability problems on outgoing packets, which are what you use if you want to play music, so these problems might not really be an issue |
| 00:26:16 | gevaerts | phinze: for me personally, yes. I don't care about MTP. Of course others may disagree... |
| 00:26:38 | * | gevaerts adds a disclaimer : he has only be on the project for less than two months, and has only done USB |
| 00:26:45 | * | BigBambi couldn't care less about MTP, but isn't a dev, so don't put any weight on my opinion :) |
| 00:27:49 | gevaerts | I think MTP is not useful as such, but it would allow to update the database for new files more efficiently, which is interesting |
| 00:28:19 | phinze | yeah that makes sense. so significantly less exciting. ;) |
| 00:29:03 | phinze | BigBambi: running r16756 |
| 00:29:15 | linuxstb | I think that if you're syncing from a database-driven media player on a PC, to Rockbox (and you want to use Rockbox's database), MTP makes sense. Not that I would use it... |
| 00:30:50 | phinze | BigBambi: i always use emergency connection (aka OF) before connecting... you're telling me i can connect without rebooting? |
| 00:31:14 | * | phinze bounces up and down in anticipation |
| 00:31:15 | szLacko | GSOC question: If I'm interested in more then one project of Rockbox, should I prepare applications for every projects, or one summing all my interest is enough? |
| 00:31:15 | gevaerts | phinze: if you make your own builds, and set the correct stuff, you can |
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| 00:31:33 | scorche | szLacko: one per project please |
| 00:31:36 | BigBambi | phinze: Not by default, Rockbox's USB mode isn't yet anabled (for the reason gevaerts has said) |
| 00:31:41 | phinze | sweet! |
| 00:31:52 | BigBambi | s/anabled/enabled |
| 00:31:53 | phinze | i'd love to test it at the very least |
| 00:31:58 | szLacko | scorche: Thanks! |
| 00:32:02 | gevaerts | phinze: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb has the details |
| 00:32:42 | phinze | gevaerts: it's all making sense now... i read that page and i was like, "but USB works fine for me" |
| 00:32:58 | phinze | now i get that it's OF USB i was using |
| 00:33:16 | phinze | always learning (and making a fool of myself in front of the rockbox community) ;) |
| 00:33:21 | BigBambi | :) |
| 00:33:30 | gevaerts | We all do from time to time |
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| 00:33:55 | bluebrother | interesting. Building cli interface of rbutil shows warnings on voicefont that the gui build doesn't |
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| 00:40:19 | * | phinze is loving that rockboxdev.sh will build a crosscompiler for him |
| 00:41:45 | scorche | it makes things a bit easier :) |
| 00:42:23 | phinze | gevaerts: alright, i'm digging this idea... do you think it's a feasible GSoC project scope-wise? |
| 00:42:38 | phinze | (or anyone who might have knowledge) |
| 00:43:58 | gevaerts | It's hard to be sure. I think it can be done, but I'm not sure if it will be enough work for GSoC. Of course, it's been a while since I was a student, and I know USB reasonably well, so I might be wrong |
| 00:44:40 | gevaerts | But I don't think you need to know that much about USB for this... |
| 00:45:00 | phinze | right, i'd have to get up to speed on USB... but i'm a pretty fast learner (as they all say i'm sure heh) |
| 00:45:14 | * | gevaerts is notoriously bad at estimating workloads |
| 00:45:36 | phinze | gevaerts: can you quick 'splain the difference between mass storage support and logf()? |
| 00:46:33 | gevaerts | Easy. Mass storage is what gives you a drive, logf is the internal debug message mechanism, which you can route over USB these days. You won't need logf for now |
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| 00:48:42 | * | bluebrother wonders if gevaerts had usb debugging hardware while implementing the driver |
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| 00:49:46 | * | gevaerts had (and still has) access to hardware usb tracers |
| 00:50:13 | bluebrother | ah. Nice :) |
| 00:50:41 | * | bluebrother was working with a firewire tracer during internship a few years ago |
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| 00:51:14 | gevaerts | This is of course an issue, but I think that the modern linux usbmon+wireshark setup works pretty well (or corresponding tools on Windows). They don't really help you for low-level issues, but this project shouldn't run into those |
| 00:51:43 | phinze | gevaerts: so the USB driver is essentially *yours*? |
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| 00:52:12 | BigBambi | And no-one else can use it! :P |
| 00:52:35 | linuxstb | Yes, he's introduced a bug to stop others using it... |
| 00:52:59 | amiconn | There must be some bus priority registers... |
| 00:54:37 | gevaerts | depends on how you look at it. The controller driver was basically there when I started (i.e. the low level hardware stuff), but I did a bit of work on that. The layer up (chapter 9 in USB terms) was also mostly there, and the changes I did there are bigger. The usb storage driver was started when I came into the project, but did not contain very much. I basically finished what others started |
| 00:55:14 | phinze | linuxstb: well i'll be seeing about that once this crosscompiler finishes building :) |
| 00:55:20 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes, but where ? |
| 00:55:39 | amiconn | Somewhere in the system controller range, I'd guess |
| 00:55:45 | phinze | sounds like the H10 is a good platform to try it on though |
| 00:56:00 | * | gevaerts was very happy that other people typed in all these boring register address #defines for him :) |
| 00:56:37 | * | phinze hopes that devs don't give their SoCer all that typing work ;) |
| 00:57:05 | gevaerts | They do :) |
| 00:57:46 | amiconn | Either somewhere in the 0x600060xx range, or (more likely, guesses) the 0x700000xx range |
| 00:58:32 | gevaerts | Indeed. So now someone has to look through some OF to find all accesses in those ranges and cross out those that are known I guess |
| 00:59:22 | amiconn | Either that, or try to run some OF's diskmode on the emulator and log the register accesses |
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| 01:00:08 | amiconn | There are whole ranges which are known to exist but unresearched otherwise |
| 01:01:10 | * | gevaerts really needs to learn to understand ARM fluently |
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| 01:03:48 | Branden\Shower\ | Hi there, can someone tell me if this will work on the iPod Classic 5th Generation? |
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| 01:04:40 | kugel | Yes for 5th Gen, no for Classic ;) |
| 01:05:03 | Branden | aw. :( Is there any hacks for the Classic? |
| 01:05:10 | bluebrother | Branden: no |
| 01:05:11 | gevaerts | amiconn: are you using IDA ? I'm considering it, but I really don't know how useful it is |
| 01:05:22 | kugel | What are you using now? I was expecting 5th gen |
| 01:05:27 | gevaerts | Branden: is it 5th gen or classic ? |
| 01:05:41 | Branden | :S Good question, I feel dumb, how can I find out? |
| 01:05:53 | kugel | When did you buy it? |
| 01:05:55 | bluebrother | is it 160GB? Then it's a classic |
| 01:05:58 | Branden | Best Buy. |
| 01:06:05 | Branden | Its an 80 Gig. |
| 01:06:05 | kugel | "When" |
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| 01:06:15 | Branden | Oh, sorry. Less then a year ago. |
| 01:06:22 | Branden | Acauly, like in January. |
| 01:06:35 | bluebrother | the IpodFAQ page also holds a link to an apple page which describes the differences |
| 01:06:59 | bluebrother | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688 |
| 01:07:19 | kugel | Branden: Do a google image search for ipod 5th gen and ipod classic to determine alternativly |
| 01:07:22 | Branden | ty |
| 01:07:43 | bluebrother | the apple page makes it even easier: check the serial number |
| 01:07:45 | kugel | Apple's page should be more reliable though |
| 01:07:59 | bluebrother | (it also holds images of the various players ;) |
| 01:08:34 | Branden | Its classic. :[ |
| 01:08:35 | stripwax_ | If the front is completely flat, it's a 5g. if the top and side edges of the front panel are rounded down towards the sides then it's a classic |
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| 01:09:52 | Branden | Yeah, its a classic, are there any hacks for the classic to change the colors and stuff? |
| 01:10:04 | stripwax | not here in rockbox |
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| 01:10:30 | stripwax | i don't know if there are any non-rockbox 'hacks' available, either |
| 01:10:35 | Branden | Ok, thanks. |
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| 01:13:54 | saratoga | so how are the GSOC applications looking? |
| 01:14:16 | BHSPitLappy | working on mine... |
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| 01:14:55 | gevaerts | We have 8 real ones, some better than others |
| 01:15:09 | BHSPitLappy | is there a predefined number of slots for rockbox's presence? I think we mentioned this last night, but I was tired :) |
| 01:15:17 | gevaerts | No |
| 01:15:29 | saratoga | i think its based on how many people apply |
| 01:15:47 | saratoga | though i didn't get a straight answer when i asked |
| 01:16:01 | BHSPitLappy | so if I apply from a bunch of dummy accounts, I'll have a better shot at getting my real app accepted? :P |
| 01:16:04 | kugel | Just a question: Why didn't project news say that m:robe and iaudio m3 are now officially suported? |
| 01:16:29 | saratoga | probably no one remembered to update it |
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| 01:16:58 | kugel | someone should do it imo, new targets are allways an important news |
| 01:18:23 | * | phinze pats his poor little G4 as it compiles gcc... and burns his hand |
| 01:18:31 | gevaerts | :) |
| 01:18:48 | saratoga | so are any of the applications looking interesting? |
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| 01:19:47 | scorche | saratoga: the process is linked to from the FAQ |
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| 01:21:00 | saratoga | also i'm surprised to hear resampling mentioned as a task, i'd think a simple cubic or even lancoz resampler should be straightforward |
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| 01:23:50 | * | gevaerts will have to go to sleep Real Soon Now :( |
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| 01:24:51 | saratoga | gevaerts: i've been meaning to ask you, did you ever look at using that USB analyser tool again ? |
| 01:25:20 | gevaerts | saratoga: I'm not sure what you mean... |
| 01:25:50 | saratoga | you had mentioned using some sort of analyiser to look at signal quality for rockbox usb |
| 01:26:02 | * | gevaerts remembers |
| 01:26:28 | saratoga | i'm curious what happened with that |
| 01:27:29 | gevaerts | That was basically a "normal" oscilloscope. I tried using it, but doing signal quality tests requires a working usb test mode which we don't have. However, we are now reasonably confident on where the problems come from |
| 01:28:29 | * | phinze wonders if gevaerts noticed his pm |
| 01:29:02 | gevaerts | It's basically timing. The USB controller can't access RAM fast enough when other parts of the system are also doing RAM-intensive things. The current guess is that there is a register somewhere that sets the priority for RAM acceses |
| 01:29:12 | saratoga | gevaerts: how does that mode work? just produce a few test tones of known voltage and frequency? |
| 01:30:06 | gevaerts | saratoga: actually there are several. Some are just a fixed level (logical 0 or 1), others are worst-case signal patterns |
| 01:30:16 | gevaerts | phinze: I didn't get anything |
| 01:30:43 | saratoga | also, perhaps a stupid question, but you can't use the 48-80kb of IRAM available on the PP targets instead of DRAM? |
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| 01:31:00 | phinze | gevaerts: odd... well i just wanted to ask before you headed to bed if you'd mind my getting in touch with you if i had any questions while fleshing out this proposal |
| 01:31:17 | gevaerts | saratoga: I tried. That doesn't seem to work at all |
| 01:31:21 | phinze | as you seem to be the Resident Expert in the area :) |
| 01:31:34 | saratoga | how odd, i would expect IRAM to work better then DRAM |
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| 01:31:41 | amiconn | I guess the usb dma can't access iram then |
| 01:31:47 | scorche | phinze: you need to be registered and identified on freenode in order to send PMs to all...otherwise, you can only send them to folk who filter their PMs which all do by default...i am guessing that gevaerts hasnt changed that to unfiltered |
| 01:32:02 | phinze | scorche: ahh thank you |
| 01:32:04 | gevaerts | Indeed. |
| 01:32:21 | amiconn | Not uncommon that some memory areas aren't dma capable (e.g. also the secondary block of iram in the mcf5249 and mcf5250) |
| 01:33:32 | gevaerts | Anyway, feel free to contact me. |
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| 01:38:17 | bird603568 | im just wondering have you guys figured out the encoding on the sansa v2 yet? |
| 01:38:49 | kugel | Bagder: Just read your blog about the fuze. Did I understand it correctly, that the fuze is pretty much the same player as the e200 v2? |
| 01:40:16 | kugel | I'm wondering about the display. It has the same resolution as the e200's, just rotated. May it even be the same display? |
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| 01:41:17 | saratoga | bird603568: Bagder, I and one other person figured out most of it and posted about it to the V2 thread in the New Ports forum, but no V2 owners took interest so I don't believe anyone has done much with it |
| 01:41:39 | bird603568 | what do you need help with? |
| 01:41:44 | phinze | so i believe i've built HEAD with the USB stack |
| 01:42:05 | phinze | and alas, no mount on OS X 10.4.11 |
| 01:42:07 | bird603568 | <-- v2 owner and intrested but dont know if i can help |
| 01:42:21 | gevaerts | What happens instead ? |
| 01:42:24 | phinze | i get a little icon when i plug in USB, but nothing on my mac |
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| 01:42:38 | phinze | nothing immediately noticeable that is |
| 01:42:46 | saratoga | bird603568: much of the firmware update format is understood, but not all |
| 01:43:00 | saratoga | someone needs to take an interest in it, finish the work, and then start porting rockbox |
| 01:43:01 | phinze | unless... double checking instructions |
| 01:43:02 | bird603568 | errr i dont think i can helo there |
| 01:43:08 | * | gevaerts remembers suddenly |
| 01:43:13 | bird603568 | help* |
| 01:43:26 | gevaerts | phinze: on H10 I believe you have to hold "right" while plugging in |
| 01:43:31 | bird603568 | damn and i was looking forward to a rockbox port too |
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| 01:44:23 | * | phinze had just clicked "reconnect mass storage" on debug menu and got a large USB graphic |
| 01:44:37 | * | phinze now attempting plugin with button hold |
| 01:45:06 | phinze | bingo! |
| 01:45:54 | gevaerts | So now I can go to sleep safely ? |
| 01:46:17 | phinze | real 0m0.778suser 0m0.045ssys 0m0.083s |
| 01:46:22 | bird603568 | saratoga: whats "the work" |
| 01:46:25 | phinze | ls -R over /Volumes/H10 |
| 01:46:32 | kugel | bird603568: I'd probably getting a Fuze (which uses to have the same SoC as the e200 v2), if an upgrade from e200 v1 would be worth it |
| 01:46:34 | phinze | gevaerts: i think so, thanks again for everything |
| 01:46:42 | * | gevaerts goes to sleep |
| 01:46:47 | phinze | night! |
| 01:46:49 | | Quit gevaerts ("sleeping time") |
| 01:47:00 | bird603568 | what? |
| 01:47:10 | saratoga | bird603568: figure out the firmware update process well enough that modified firmware can be loaded |
| 01:47:29 | saratoga | have you read the 2 threads on the V2 sansas in the New Ports forum? |
| 01:47:36 | bird603568 | man i wish i knew how to do that |
| 01:47:37 | bird603568 | nope |
| 01:47:49 | bird603568 | havent really been following it |
| 01:47:57 | bird603568 | just popped in to see how things are going |
| 01:48:32 | bird603568 | ill go look now |
| 01:49:36 | saratoga | how cheap can you get a V2 sansa anyway? |
| 01:50:02 | bird603568 | i have a sansav2 |
| 01:50:09 | bird603568 | i got the 8 gig for 120$ i think |
| 01:50:39 | saratoga | thats not very cheap |
| 01:50:46 | bird603568 | there are smaller ones |
| 01:50:59 | bird603568 | i wanted 8 gigs since thats holds almost 1/2 of my music |
| 01:51:06 | bird603568 | and it was 10$ more than the 4gig |
| 01:51:12 | bird603568 | i think the 1 gig is 90$ |
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| 01:51:47 | arnath | hi, anyone know if the sansa e200v2 series will be supported any time soon? |
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| 01:51:51 | bird603568 | lol |
| 01:52:06 | krazykit | arnath, there are no time frames for new ports. |
| 01:52:28 | arnath | krazykit: but there must be a list of what is actively being developped, right? |
| 01:52:31 | | Join Bagder [241] (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 01:52:48 | krazykit | arnath, please read the pertinent wiki page and threads on the New Ports forum for everything that's been done |
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| 01:53:07 | bird603568 | the 2gb version is 75$ saratoga |
| 01:54:21 | arnath | krazykit: ok thanks |
| 01:54:23 | saratoga | arnath: we're talkign about that right now, and as I just said, theres no one working on the V2 |
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| 01:54:32 | arnath | o :( |
| 01:54:45 | arnath | what are the odds that if i step into a store tomorrow, that it's still a v1? |
| 01:55:05 | arnath | (i looked on the site of the store, but it doesn't mention the firmware it seems) |
| 01:55:13 | bird603568 | very low |
| 01:55:23 | bird603568 | they stopped selling them in december |
| 01:55:31 | bird603568 | i thought id luck out and get a v1 but didnt |
| 01:55:53 | saratoga | V1s are still all over ebay |
| 01:55:53 | bird603568 | its the hardware |
| 01:56:06 | saratoga | i think no one is working on the V2 since the V1s are so easy to get |
| 01:56:22 | arnath | ebay is a bit trickier over here (belgium) :P |
| 01:56:36 | arnath | besides, electronics stuff, i rather get new then second hand |
| 01:56:43 | bird603568 | exactly |
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| 01:57:30 | arnath | too bad though, i really want a sandisk and i really want rockbox :( |
| 01:58:16 | ukl | me too. |
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| 01:58:21 | scorche | do you want it bad enough to learn C and get working? ;) |
| 01:58:28 | bird603568 | i know c! |
| 01:58:33 | bird603568 | not very well tho |
| 01:58:52 | scorche | do you want it bad enough to learn to write C better and get working? ;) |
| 01:59:01 | linuxstb | ukl: Did you buy a C240 from bigpockets.co.uk in the end? |
| 01:59:04 | arnath | i know C rather well actually :> |
| 01:59:07 | bird603568 | oh it works it just might be ugly as sin |
| 01:59:40 | arnath | hmm, what exactly is involved in porting it? rewriting drivers...? |
| 01:59:42 | bird603568 | ive never programmed firmware tho |
| 01:59:54 | scorche | good time to start.. |
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| 02:00:18 | bird603568 | i would assume its not that different from other things |
| 02:00:18 | ukl | linuxstb: no, I did not... I wasn't sure if it would be fast enough... |
| 02:00:22 | scorche | arnath: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 02:00:35 | ukl | Can anyone of you confirm if the bigpockets C240 is v1? |
| 02:00:40 | linuxstb | ukl: Fast enough for what? |
| 02:00:53 | linuxstb | ukl: Mine was, and others have reported the same. |
| 02:00:58 | ukl | I'm not in the UK anymore |
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| 02:01:22 | ukl | hmm too bad should have done it. |
| 02:02:02 | arnath | Porting Rockbox can be everything from hard work to extremely hard and time consuming work. Try to gather as many interested friends and fans as possible so that the whole burden isn't put on one single human. |
| 02:02:07 | arnath | sounds a bit depressive :| |
| 02:02:14 | arnath | especially since i don't have any friends that can code a damn :( |
| 02:02:46 | saratoga | well the first step (and a good way to get others interested) would be to take a look at the firmware reverse engineering already done in the V2 thread and get Bagder's Sansa V2 patcher code working |
| 02:02:51 | linuxstb | Make some new friends ;) e.g. on forums where owners of the device hang out. |
| 02:03:23 | scorche | there have been a few ports done by folks by themselves |
| 02:03:24 | kugel | linuxstb: Do you have a build/sim with my customlist patch handy? |
| 02:03:29 | ukl | I'd love to meet people in a pub to work on something. Unfortunately I lack projects and people (and knowledge/abilities). |
| 02:03:33 | saratoga | i know dan_a was interested, and maybe others would be too if there was some progress |
| 02:04:03 | linuxstb | kugel: Not the latest version, no. |
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| 02:04:37 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm sure others would buy V2s once a port was underway (i.e. code was being run on the device) |
| 02:04:57 | kugel | A user of my build spotted a possible bug (though, my build contains much more patches). Scrolling not working with pointer line selector |
| 02:05:18 | kugel | I'm not booted into linux today, that's why I can't test myself |
| 02:05:22 | arnath | bah, not even sure if i have the time, got a masterproof to finish up, exams coming my way... :( |
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| 02:05:38 | bird603568 | saratoga: does he need testers because ill test on mine |
| 02:05:43 | phinze | markun: you still around? |
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| 02:09:31 | kugel | I was wondering if anyone is interested in anti-aliased fonts |
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| 02:09:58 | kugel | I have a working patch (I don't take the credit though) |
| 02:10:08 | kugel | which runs surprisingly well |
| 02:10:34 | scorche | is this in the tracker? |
| 02:10:45 | kugel | No |
| 02:10:49 | scorche | ...why not? |
| 02:10:57 | kugel | I was hoping that the creator would upload it |
| 02:11:08 | kugel | But he doesn't seem to be interested in it anymore |
| 02:11:27 | sar |
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