#rockbox 2008-04-04

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#rockbox log for 2008-04-04

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00:00:07	mcuelenaere	(it has to do with the ZVM port)
00:00:24	mcuelenaere	because Rockbox only understands FAT, not one of the Creative's proprietary file systems
00:01:08	pixelma	someone with an Ipod Video around who tested the WPS changes the last days (asking especially for the included UniCatcher and iCatcher). There is half of a report that it's "broken" though I'm not sure if he uses the included ones. I can't imagine that they are broken because it's been tested all in sims but who knows...
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00:02:10	Nico_P	pixelma: UniCatcher works fine here
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00:02:54	Nico_P	iCatcher too
00:03:16	pixelma	thanks for confirming
00:03:40	Nico_P	nicer icons would be good for themes other than cabbie...
00:04:32	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: what DerPapst said...hopefully i can do it this weekend =/
00:04:58	bluebrother	scorche\|sh: ok.
00:06:12	pixelma	Nico_P: who defines "nicer"? I also don't want to really change something in the looks now, those are not my creation...
00:07:01	Nico_P	pixelma: I dare make the assumption that slightly bigger colour icons can be considered "nicer" :)
00:07:42	Nico_P	I was simply thinking of using the same ones as cabbie, although they probably would need adapting because of the antialiasing
00:07:52	pixelma	that's a question of taste
00:08:37	Nico_P	it is indeed
00:08:44	pixelma	ah... do you mean the icons in the menu?
00:08:47	Nico_P	yes
00:09:16	pixelma	those need thorough rework on greyscale though :\
00:09:28	disorganizer	good night to all
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00:18:30	n17ikh	aren't there some better WPSs than the ones on rockbox-themes?
00:18:54	n17ikh	the ones for the e2xx series are either too busy or just awful :/
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00:19:48	scorche\|sh	n17ikh: check the wiki?
00:21:08	n17ikh	yeah, those are better
00:22:06	n17ikh	I don't really like them though... I would hate to have to learn the wps language to make my own
00:22:27	bluebrother	seems you need to.
00:22:41	gevaerts	n17ikh: you could pick one where you like the basic design and change the background
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00:23:42	n17ikh	mebbe
00:23:59	*	gevaerts has solved his wps problem that way
00:24:16	n17ikh	some of these are... really ugly :/
00:24:46	n17ikh	course, from what I've seen the professional designers making the factory interface don't do any better
00:25:17	krazykit	n17ikh, if you want ugly, look at the OF on the gigabeat F :(
00:25:28	gevaerts	krazykit: that bad ?
00:25:49	bluebrother	hmm. Seems domonoky has broken my local changes. Too bad ...
00:25:57	krazykit	i thought it was an eyesore for the few minutes i looked at it before putting on rockbox.
00:26:11	*	gevaerts has a gigabeat f, but installed rockbox before even looking at the of
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00:26:40	ChristopherW	n17ikh: check out the "2001" theme :)
00:26:43	krazykit	well, the power was out when i got it ;)
00:28:57	Bagder	proof of concept rotated table => http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/index3.html
00:29:39	bluebrother	Bagder: kinda nice.
00:29:56	Bagder	still requires scrolling, although vertical
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00:30:11	bluebrother	now make it colored and use alternating column backgrounds -- I think it would look quite good
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00:30:26	bluebrother	btw, have you noticed my idea about the wiki stylesheet?
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00:30:44	Bagder	I did yes, but that too is zagor's backyard more than mine
00:30:53	bluebrother	ah, ok :)
00:31:16	kugel	meh
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00:32:26	ChristopherW	Bagder: vertical scrolling is still better than horizontal scrolling
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00:36:28	*	linuxstb has widescreen monitors, so prefers horizontal scrolling...
00:37:25	*	petur rather liked the idea of only showing targets with problems
00:37:43	Bagder	I'll do some experients with that too
00:37:49	linuxstb	How could that work?
00:37:55	Bagder	javascript
00:38:02	bluebrother	sounds interesting, but it should be toggleable
00:38:09	*	bluebrother too slow :)
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00:38:19	Bagder	with a checkbox or something to display the zero-columns
00:38:58	DerPapst	the table still fits om my screen :-P
00:39:20	bluebrother	the rotated one?
00:39:55	*	petur disables ata_lock (mutexes) in the ata driver and finds his bootloader booting again - still a crash from time to time :/
00:43:15	petur	grrrr every time it crashes it is within threading code :(
00:43:53	*	roolku waits for the red...
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00:46:22	ChristopherW	threads are fun
00:46:41	ChristopherW	s/fun/really annoying to debug/
00:47:04	pixelma	roolku: you did not fix the button map issues I pointed out
00:47:26	roolku	pixelma: sorry which ones?
00:48:12	roolku	I overlooked it because you used an action
00:48:37	roolku	m5x5, right?
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00:49:21	pixelma	the Ondio map has "menu" for select and several combos with menu without checking for pre conditions and releases and on the M5X5 pad only combos with power work (electrically) but it's not usable
00:49:48	pixelma	(because a "longer power" is also a hard power off)
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00:51:10	pixelma	so basically you can't use button combos and have to try with long versus short button presses instead
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01:03:11	kugel	linuxstb: I think I have a version without reparsing at every redraw
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01:12:58	kugel	linuxstb: It's far from working well though
01:14:26	linuxstb	kugel: Did you also move the code that calculates the viewport sizes/positions?
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01:18:06	kugel	linuxstb: Not sure what you mean
01:18:21	kugel	linuxstb: That's in viewport.c, since v8
01:19:02	kugel	in the geneic viewport structure parsing function
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01:20:22	kugel	linuxstb: did you mean that?
01:21:20	linuxstb	kugel: I mean the code in (e.g.) draw_title() that calculates the viewports (e.g. vp_icons and vp_text)
01:21:27	linuxstb	(plus similar in list_draw)
01:22:25	kugel	Ah, that's what I meant with "not parsing at every redraw"
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01:24:46	kugel	There's only "struct viewport *list_infos = list->list_info[display->screen_type];" now
01:25:15	kugel	linuxstb: My current approach is to calculate the viewport at list initilializing
01:25:39	kugel	and that gui_synclist contains that list_info vp
01:25:47	linuxstb	Shouldn't that be ... = &list->list_info[display->screen_type];
01:26:08	kugel	I thought that too, but that gave warnings
01:26:33	kugel	incopatible ...
01:26:41	kugel	+m
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01:34:02	linuxstb	kugel: How is list_info declared?
01:34:11	*	preglow sees another *box plugin title :/
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01:35:25	pixelma	preglow: the topic came up before and gevaerts suggested rockpegs earlier ;)
01:35:55	linuxstb	Not helpful ;)
01:35:57	*	gevaerts runs away again
01:36:05	*	kugel thinks that pegbox and pacbox must lead to confusion
01:36:22	*	linuxstb apologies for the pacbox name
01:36:31	*	linuxstb apologises for the typo
01:36:48	DerPapst	heh
01:36:53	*	pixelma thinks kugel didn't tested the latest patch (the one in the tracker) on his e200 but said "there were no bugs"...
01:37:10	pixelma	s/tested/test
01:37:25	linuxstb	pixelma: You're talking about pegbox?
01:37:31	pixelma	yes
01:38:12	kugel	pixelma: Which one?
01:38:29	kugel	pegbox? I said I never experienced an issue
01:38:35	kugel	and that's true
01:38:39	pixelma	the one that was committed still had scroll up/down in it
01:38:54	pixelma	probably run your own build...
01:39:08	scorche\|sh	i thought we werent going to do pegbox...
01:39:12	kugel	I think it had it in once
01:39:52	pixelma	yes, and it was committed this way (probably because it was the last on in the tracker)
01:40:19	roolku	don't panic it can still be fixed. :)
01:40:35	linuxstb	And renamed? ;)
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01:40:55	*	roolku couldn't care less about names
01:41:03	kugel	pixelma: I tested it heavily, and there was someone who tested it on ipod, and we didn't find an error
01:41:19	kugel	I just wonder why you come up with that old commit just today
01:41:40	pixelma	what are you talking about?
01:41:42	linuxstb	"old commit" ?
01:41:59	pixelma	I'm talking about pegbox
01:42:11	pixelma	I don't talk to your rename patch
01:42:18	pixelma	s/to/about
01:43:21	kugel	Well, I don't quite get what you mean
01:43:23	pixelma	which was a good change, but the pegbox patch wasn't updated accordingly. That was my point
01:43:37	linuxstb	kugel: pegbox (as committed to SVN) doesn't compile...
01:43:46	linuxstb	(for the e200)
01:43:58	kugel	It's not my patch dudes.
01:44:14	kugel	I'm not the maintainer, it's possible that the tracker version is out of sync
01:44:45	pixelma	but you said there were no bugs earlier... that's all
01:44:58	kugel	Indeed, I have a private copy, which fixes that (but which is also more sync'd to my build)
01:45:00	*	DerPapst compiles to see what pegbox actually is
01:45:15	gevaerts	DerPapst: it's something like rockpegs :)
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01:45:49	kugel	pixelma: Well, I said that there's no issue in general. That a patch can get out-of-sync is allways possible
01:46:05	DerPapst	gevaerts: ahhh now i know :-)
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01:47:37	Sader	hi :)
01:48:25	Sader	I've been using Rockbox on my ipod nano 1st gen, and i accedientally made it record .. i can't get it to stop. It won't let me listen to music and rebooting it doesn't help :S
01:48:33	kugel	Anyway, sorry if it was my fault, that one if you committed a not-sync'd version
01:49:56	DerPapst	sader: doesn't short pres leave the rec screen?
01:50:07	linuxstb	Sader: What happens when you reboot? (and how are you rebooting?)
01:50:16	pixelma	I didn't say it was your fault, just a little reminder (with a wink) to be a bit accurate ;)
01:50:28	pixelma	^ kugel
01:51:22	kugel	I guess the one who'll correct that will be happy for the commit+1 anyway ;)
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01:51:39	*	gevaerts gets to work ;)
01:52:00	mud-rb	by any chance is there a script somewhere that will build a .zip for each target?
01:52:26	`Sader`	Hey I've been using rockbox on my first gen nano, and its good, except i accedientally click record.. and i can't get it to stop when i reboot it doesn't do anything either.(Can't listen to music while its recording)
01:52:37	`Sader`	Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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01:53:19	linuxstb	Sader: Still here?
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01:54:29	`Sader`	i accedientally click record.. and i can't get it to stop when i reboot it doesn't do anything either.(Can't listen to music while its recording)
01:54:52	`Sader`	(soz lag'd didn't mean to spam)
01:55:38	Nico_P	pegbox is nice!
01:55:52	linuxstb	`Sader`: No, you can't listen to music whilst recording - that's expected.
01:56:26	`Sader`	I mean, i can't get it to stop recording
01:57:02	linuxstb	Not even by rebooting?
01:57:03	mud-rb	`Sader`: did you look in the manual for the correct way to exit the recording screen?
01:57:46	`Sader`	Yes - I looked in the Manual but don't anything about it..
01:57:47	DerPapst	iirc it's short menu for iPods
01:58:06	DerPapst	at least it's on mine
01:58:14	pixelma	`Sader`: what happens after a reboot?
01:58:30	`Sader`	It boots w/ apple screen, then turns on and its on the recording screen :S
01:58:47	pixelma	ah, maybe you set your start screen to recording?
01:59:08	`Sader`	If i did, it's by acciedent.(sp) anyway to un-do it?
01:59:27	DerPapst	clear your config or edit it on your PC
01:59:48	pixelma	you could clear your setting by flicking the hold switch to on when the rockbox bootlogo appears (I think it was on Ipods) after a reboot or...
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02:00:34	pixelma	...if edit/delete the config.cfg (in the .rockbox directory) from your computer
02:00:36	kugel	linuxstb: If you wanna take a look, http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/asdf/customlist_vp_v9.diff
02:01:00	kugel	But as I said, it's not working very well, and I'm still unsure the approach is good
02:01:18	`Sader`	Alright, I'm trying it now.
02:01:46	mud-rb	shouldn't it be possible to exit the recording screen even if it's set as the startup?
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02:02:03	pixelma	it should
02:02:16	mud-rb	okay, just making sure
02:03:09	pixelma	as already been said, it should be a "short press of menu" or IIRC "long play" works too
02:03:10	`Sader`	Pixelma, It worked :D
02:03:21	`Sader`	Thanks ALOT!
02:03:34	pixelma	you're welcome :)
02:04:18	`Sader`	While i'm here, is there anywhere to get more games/demos like the ones that come defaultly?(I already have iBoy)
02:04:22	pixelma	mud-rb: but I _believe_ that there is a bug on Ipods that playback doesn't work after it was in recording mode or so
02:04:52	linuxstb	pixelma: Yes, not all ipods though (but the Nano is one of the ones affected)
02:05:04	mud-rb	`Sader`: all of the suppored ones are installed by default. you can look in flyspray for game plugins ('patches' on the left of the rockbox site)
02:05:17	mud-rb	`Sader`: but those will require you to build rockbox from source
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02:05:37	`Sader`	Alright.
02:05:43	`Sader`	Thanks for all of the help guys!
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02:32:55	Hilton	hello?
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02:44:00	pixelma	hmm... not very patient
02:45:20	DerPapst	heh.. i guess sie just wanted to know if the channel exists
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02:51:30	roolku	pixelma: I'll look at the button combinations tomorrow - now sleeptime
02:52:41	pixelma	nice, thanks :)
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03:13:14	mossimo2k3	how do i load patches?
03:15:05	mossimo2k3	hello?
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03:19:38	Tordre	Hello
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03:22:30	mud-rb	mossimo2k3: you need to check out the rockbox source from subversion, apply the patches, and make a build from source
03:22:38	mud-rb	mossimo2k3: look in the wiki, there's a howto
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03:24:05	DavidSG	Hello I am David Gilbert I applied for the Summer of Code project to create a WPS and theme Editor.
03:24:06	ChristopherW	lol, there's two people so far that say "hello" and leave :)
03:24:42	DavidSG	sorry that first one was me, i thought it would be better to use my real name.
03:24:46	mud-rb	ChristopherW: yeah, it seems pretty common...apparently people can't look to the right and realize that there's people here or something
03:25:23	ChristopherW	I guess if they really need help they'd say something more than just "hello"
03:28:13	DavidSG	Has anyone here read my proposal, any feedback would be appreciated.
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03:32:49	crzyboyster	Do viewport conditionals work right now? I thought I read something in the forums about it, but I may have misunderstood...
03:33:00	linuxstb_	crzyboyster: No.
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03:33:38	crzyboyster	Can someone explain what this means > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16184.msg121063#msg121063
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03:33:44	*	pixelma missed the part about "conditionals" and decides that this indicates the need for sleep
03:33:50	linuxstb_	DavidSG: You've come at the wrong time of day (night) - most of the possible Rockbox mentors are European, and it's the middle of the night here (yes, I should be sleeping...)
03:34:25	pixelma	linuxstb: wanted to say something along these lines too, but then I saw you around...
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03:42:55	DavidSG	linuxstb_: thank you will try back tomorrow
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04:23:23	JdGordon	has someone left part of rockbox usb in the svn builds?
04:23:44	JdGordon	pluggin my sansa in gmesg says a 2gb usb storage device was connected!
04:24:57	JdGordon	actually... maybe not..
04:25:02	JdGordon	stupid lack of timestamps
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04:38:44	wyoak	i'm out of ideas...on both of my sansa players (c250 and e250), i can't get the DB to initialize, even on a blank player
04:39:21	linuxstb	I'm not sure if the database works with a blank player... (although that bug may have been fixed)
04:39:32	wyoak	i'm trying the e250, and it counts up all the files on the player (around 1700 in total, with themes and stuff), and never moves. the .rockbox directory has the database.ignore on it
04:39:47	wyoak	let me put a few songs on there.....
04:41:03	n17ikh	how does rockbox calculate the battery life?
04:41:18	n17ikh	I just got done charging the battery in the OF on my e260 and it says 60% in RB
04:43:07	wyoak	yeah, even with songs on there it still seems like it's trying to add the .rockbox directory to the database
04:43:23	wyoak	stuck on 377 found (didn't add themes this time)
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04:44:50	n17ikh	according to a very old mailing list post it's based on a moving average and is incorrect immediately after boot... is that still correct?
04:47:59	A-4	n17ikh: battery life is based on the voltage the battery currently has. 4.5 V = 100%; 22.5 volt = 0%
04:48:34	wyoak	the stock firmware builds its database fine
04:48:47	wyoak	i wonder if my computer is doing something wierd, since it happens on both players
04:52:05	A-4	n17ikh: the battery % just after boot is supposed to be a bit low because booting consumes quite a bit of enery which causes the voltage to drop temporarily, i belive right after boot 5% is added to the battery life to make up for this voltage drop
04:52:14	n17ikh	bleh... that's a pretty terrible way to calculate power remaining in a li-ion
04:52:52	n17ikh	seems silly to me to build hardware using modern batteries that doesn't keep track of mWh
04:56:20	A-4	wyoak: you could put a few files in some subdirs of .rockbox and check if they are also appear in the database
04:56:47	wyoak	the database never finishes initializing
04:57:00	wyoak	it just counts all the files on the player and stops there
04:57:27	linuxstb	wyoak: Do you restart your player when that happens?
04:57:43	wyoak	i've left it on for a while before, tried restarting it too
04:57:47	wyoak	never can get past that
04:57:54	wyoak	the files view works fine though
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05:31:59	midgey	i had no idea anyone was interested in that, i would have updated it or at least cleaned it up
05:32:07	midgey	and renamed it to pegs
05:32:11	midgey	:)
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05:44:48	mud-rb_	midgey: haha, congrats on getting it submitted anyway :) looks pretty cool
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05:58:47	midgey	mud-rb_: most of my code seems to be committed by someone else :P
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06:04:50	midgey	if anyone has anything to say about the code leave it in the logs and i'll get to it when i have a chance
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09:49:17	ChristopherW	I'm basically looking for feedback on my patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8844
09:50:52	ChristopherW	actually it's more of a feature request with a working proof-of-concept patch
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09:58:10	petur	ChristopherW: not that I iknow the GUI code or wps parser, but is that "We have consumed 1 byte" return still correct?
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