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#rockbox log for 2008-04-08

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00:01:45*amiconn ponders trying to make the 2003 Rockbox April fool's joke becoming a reality (just for that purpose, don't think it will be really playable)
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00:06:02*DerPapst wonders what it was...
00:07:15amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/doom/
00:08:00DerPapstheh
00:08:02gevaertsGo for it :)
00:08:40amiconnThe problem might be too little ram for zone allocation. It might require an 8MB-modded archos (which I do not have)
00:09:41bluebrotheruse a swap file ;-)
00:10:01amiconnHaha, the zone management already *is* doom's way of using a swapfile
00:10:22amiconnDoom doesn't load the whole .wad file at once
00:11:40bluebrotherinteresting.
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00:12:11bluebrotherI just rememberd someone asking on the forums if Rockbox would benefit from a swap file *urgh*
00:12:33scorche|shwasnt that "z"?
00:12:43gevaertsNo reason to go for a large .wad
00:12:44bluebrothercan't remember
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01:26:03`Sader`My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down nad backwards.. any ideas whats going on ?
01:26:57scorche|shhave you tried resetting the settings?
01:27:11`Sader`How do i go about doing that? I've delted the config.cfg
01:27:16`Sader`deleted*
01:30:15`Sader`anyone?
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01:38:21`Sader` My rock box on my 1st gen nano is messed up, It won't turn the back light on, and it makes the screen go upside down and backwards.. any ideas?
01:39:37gevaerts`Sader`: the manual contains info on how to reset the settings
01:40:48`Sader`I'll look again.
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01:44:06`SaderMy 5th gen video won't turn on after installing rockbox a couple of days ago. Trying to reset and charge up but not luck, chances this is rockbox problem or something else?
01:44:34gevaertsAsking every fivce minutes isn't going to give you another answer, it will just irritate people
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01:47:18scorche|shwell, this is a different question with a difference device...
01:47:26scorche|shs/ce/t
01:47:36gevaertsoops
01:47:46gevaertsSorry `Sader, I misread...
01:48:44gevaertsIt's most probably not a rockbox issue though.
01:49:22preglow`Sader: won't turn off how? keeping play pressed for a long time does nothing while in rockbox?
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01:59:18`TannerMy ipod 1st gen got messed up, it had rockbox worked great for a week.. Then lagged up and inverted the text, upside down and backwards. I'm restoring it now but it doesn't look like it helped any. Can anyone please help me?
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02:01:53krazykit`Tanner, do you have this issue on the original firmware?
02:02:14`TannerYes.
02:02:15DerPapstdoes rolo work on the sansas?
02:02:21gevaertsIt does
02:02:39`TannerI'm restoring it again. I'm very worried.
02:02:39DerPapstcomlains about invalid checksum here.
02:02:46DerPapst*complains even
02:03:08krazykit`Tanner, if the original firmware displays the same error, it isn't rockbox, as no rockbox code is running at that point.
02:03:30`Tanneraw man. I'm freakin. Any ideas?
02:03:55krazykitlearn to read backwards?
02:04:17`TannerIt's upside down, backwards, and letters are backwards. anything seriously?
02:05:25DerPapstscramble -add=e200 ./in.bin ./out.mi4 is correct, isn't it?
02:05:47linuxstbDerPapst: No. You want -mi4v2 instead of -add=e200
02:06:04DerPapstahhh
02:06:12`TannerI'm restoring again.
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02:12:35DerPapstkernel panic... ;-)
02:12:57gevaertsNice change from Data Aborts ;-)
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02:27:57DerPapstlinuxstb: btw, thnks, it worked.
02:31:02jhMikeSwhich metadata parser is for alac?
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02:31:41linuxstbjhMikeS: The mp4 one
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02:37:06jhMikeSipod video sure has odd buffer filling behavior
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02:52:10goettlekhello
02:52:31goettlekIs anyone there?
02:53:13advcomp2019goettlek, yea, just ask your question
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02:59:16*DerPapst goes to sleep. Only 4 hours left :-/
02:59:26DerPapstgood night all :-)
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03:08:14*jhMikeS did some checks and it seem metadata parsers should yield
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03:41:45WeaponXhiya
03:41:47WeaponXquick question
03:42:18WeaponXcan i add files only from a music folder on my ipod to the database and not like ever .mp3 or playable file i have on my ipod?
03:42:28WeaponXbtw 5.5g 80gb video ipod
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04:18:42cool_walking_WeaponX: Put a file called "database.ignore" in the root of your player, then put a file called "database.unignore" in your music folder.
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04:44:56soapwhoa whoa whoa - McDLT
04:45:42soapLet's keep the hot side hot and the cool side cool.
04:46:18soapmy bad. I was thinking this was rocbox-community and there was support going on!
04:46:27soapcarry on. ;)
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05:02:48ipod_4g_userHello! I'm using the current Rockbox build on a 4th gen. grayscale ipod, and he won't boot past the 'Rockbox loaded.' bootloader message... my question is whether or not it is possible to be running a bootloader that is too old. Mine is quite old (version 20060404-0258). Any insights?
05:03:35scorcheerrrr....definitely update :)
05:03:43ipod_4g_userYeah, I thought so.
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05:49:26ipod_4g_userHoly Cow!!! Rockbox Util actually *works* now! Amazing... it's new Qt-ness is extremely slick. Can't believe how easy that was.
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07:30:01JohnnyBoyhey guys
07:31:35JohnnyBoyanyone alive ?
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07:36:34advcomp2019JohnnyBoy, yes, just ask your question if you have one
07:37:47JohnnyBoyk installed rockbox on my 30gb i-pod video
07:38:19JohnnyBoyclicked on batabase on the i-pod
07:38:50JohnnyBoygot database is not ready
07:39:21JohnnyBoyi am wondering if i have to make a file on my harddrive for it to copy from ?
07:39:33scorcheJohnnyBoy: you really should read the manual...
07:39:45JohnnyBoyi am working on that
07:39:48JohnnyBoyits a long read
07:39:58scorchethats alright...keep chugging long...
07:44:18JohnnyBoyallright i'll be back when i mess it up
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08:17:34mrkikoHi all!
08:17:38mrkikoHi all!
08:18:20mrkikoI saw Nico_P resolved the problems persisting with playback; I red it's commit log
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08:18:53mrkikoNow - the problem of the current track repeating persist only when the disk was not active and has to spin up to pass to the next track.
08:22:46mrkikoI noticed rockbox crashes some times when I navigate to the file browser - no bug reports can be posted since I can't reproduce this reliably.
08:22:56mrkikoIt will never happen if playback is in progress while navigating.
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08:23:23mrkikoAnd it never happens if voice is not talking when I press another key.
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10:10:02MonkeytamerHello, I have registered for the Wiki, and have a theme that I would like to upload. Might someone be so kind as to grant write privileges?
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10:16:17peturwiki name?
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10:16:47peturare you JakeMelvin ?
10:16:52Monkeytameroh, yes
10:16:53Monkeytamerthanks
10:17:03MonkeytamerI had to switch clients, didn't know you saw the comment
10:17:37peturdone...
10:17:44Monkeytamerthank you
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10:29:50pondlifepetur: I added the H300 bootloader test/fix onto the DevCon agenda, even though it's not really a full-group thing - hope that's ok with you.
10:30:12peturpondlife: I was thinking of doing the same!
10:30:23Bagderrthe whole group gets involved when it's time to laugh at the mistakes!
10:30:31pondlifeOf course!
10:30:32peturyeah ;)
10:30:49pondlifeDuh! Who'd have thought you needed to init that first....
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10:31:08pondlifeAnyways, I won't be able to make the last weekend in June now.
10:31:09peturI do hope to find something sooner, though... I think I will manage some rb time on sunday afternoon :/
10:31:28pondlifeCool. I still haven't found time to test SVN here
10:31:34pondlifeon H380, I mean
10:31:44pondlifeMaybe today, maybe not
10:33:25pondlifeHmm, much of the text on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox should apply to all SWCODEC targets, not be under "Model Specific"..
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10:34:29peturMonkeytamer: you attached your theme but it's not on the page yet?
10:34:47Monkeytameroh, I'm almost done
10:34:54MonkeytamerI think..
10:34:59Monkeytamerunless I am doing something wrong
10:35:26markunBagderr: do you know when Zagor will be back?
10:36:22Bagderrno
10:38:33MonkeytamerOk, it's been posted
10:38:59Monkeytamerexcept, I forgot the attachment..
10:39:46Monkeytamerfixed..
10:42:09peturMonkeytamer: is there a reason the wps screenshot is called menu and the menu screenshot is called wps? ;p
10:42:34Monkeytamernot any real reason, other than it being late
10:42:46Monkeytamerand I'm prone to boneheaded mistakes, haha
10:42:56Monkeytamercan I fix that
10:43:32peturnah, not an issue... just switch the images around on the page
10:43:54MonkeytamerOh ok, no problem.
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12:02:48pondlifePossibly a very silly question, but is there a way to start construction of a playlist without starting playback? If I select a file in the browser and do an Insert, it always starts playback too.
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12:08:12gibbon_hmm
12:08:18gibbon_thats not too silly
12:08:33gibbon_but i don't have an answer
12:09:41pondlifeI tend to just mute my output beforehand, then make up a playlist and remember to pause and skip back to the start before I start playback.
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12:17:11pondlifeNico_P: When's that exam? :)
12:17:22Nico_Ppondlife: I just got back from uit
12:17:36pondlifeAh, so I'm too late to wish you luck.
12:17:47Nico_Phehe, thanks all the same :)
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12:20:41pondlifeWe should add a compulsory field to Flyspray to force everyone opening a task (or adding a comment?) to enter their build revision...then refuse them entry unless number_entered == current_svn
12:21:31Nico_Phahah I like the idea but that could get quite hard... we sometimes commit faster than people could build and test :)
12:21:42pondlifeSounds like fun :)
12:22:15pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8394 is so vague...
12:22:47Nico_Phave you tested my latest playback.c commits btw?
12:22:59pondlifeNo...
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12:23:15pondlifeLast one I saw was the gwps one
12:24:06Nico_Poh then you're up to date in that regard I believe
12:24:10pondlifeAh, ok
12:24:29Nico_Pthe following ones were nothing much
12:24:47Nico_PI have a few more ideas I want to try out, but I don't want to make too many at once, to avoid a new bug creeping in between
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12:25:03pondlifeI've not had any sign of track skipping problems... you were saying it was broken
12:25:17Nico_Pskipping backwards isn't very fun
12:25:27pondlifeSeems fine here, so far
12:26:12Nico_Pone of the things I'm not pleased with is how inefficient it is to skip multiple times
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12:26:23pondlifeWell, you know what I think about that...
12:26:37pondlifeThere should not be a "skip" API, just a select one
12:27:00pondlifei.e. play track n should cater for all cases without unnecessary rebuffering
12:27:17Nico_Pyes, but even that way, skipping in the WPS would result in multple "change track" events
12:28:00Nico_P"load n", "load n+1", "load n+2"... that's lots of unnecessary work
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12:28:37pondlifeI'd hope that the overhead should be quite small, until it comes to buffering
12:29:21Nico_Pif audio_fill_file_buffer is called each time, it could still hit the disk quite a few more times than needed
12:29:42pondlifeIt should just be saying "is track n buffered?"
12:29:43Nico_P(to load the codec, the metdata and the AA)
12:30:06Nico_Pyes, I'm imagining the case where it isn't
12:30:48pondlifeWell, track n+2 request would be satisfied shortly after track n+1 anyway.. if not we could interrupt
12:33:22pondlifeThe spinup is the slowest part
12:33:25Nico_Pthe problem is with clearing the tracks each time I guess
12:33:47pondlifeYes, there should be no clearing at all, until the buffer space is needed for new data.
12:35:33Nico_PI'll look into that
12:35:54Nico_Pthere's far too much unnecessary clearing anyway
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13:17:12JdGordonNico_P: hey, I had some wierd playback today with svn... same as yesterday.. it started playing the next track after a few sec, and kept changing to the next one... pressing prev to go back kept advancing the playlist...
13:17:37Nico_PJdGordon: which codec was it with?
13:18:31JdGordonmp3
13:18:59Nico_Pvery weird then
13:19:22Nico_Pdidn't you mention a possible disk failure yesterday?
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13:20:23JdGordonill run a chkdisk
13:25:37JdGordonnope.. windows rekons the disk is fine
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13:36:01Graphilhi @ all!
13:36:35markunhi Graphil
13:36:54Graphilis there someone who has time to help me with my iPod nano (2GB v1.1.3)???
13:37:00Graphilhi markun
13:38:13markunI don't know much about the nano and don't have much time
13:38:14Graphilauf deutsch gehts au! ^^
13:38:20preglowGraphil: if you've got questions, you should just ask them
13:38:30Graphilkk
13:39:59markunpreglow: we do realtime wavpack encoding, right?
13:40:00GraphilI copied the rockbox (4 nano) on the root dic and started the ipodpatcher.exe after that
13:40:57Graphilbut the app don't find the ipod...
13:41:13preglowmarkun: aye
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13:41:35Graphiljust as I typed "ipodpatcher 1" it was found
13:41:58markunpreglow: I asked because of this statement: http://tta.sourceforge.net/codec.hardware
13:42:15markunbut it looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2005
13:42:16Graphilbut how can I tell the programm that is has to look at device "1"???
13:43:48preglowmarkun: yeah, that's bullshit, wavpack encoding is the same complexity as wavpack decoding
13:43:57preglowmarkun: unless you use the assymetrical modes, of course
13:45:48LinusNperhaps it is the keyword "hardware" that is the point
13:46:13Bagderrwhatever that means
13:46:20Bagderrin that context
13:46:52LinusNmy interpretation is that you can implement the codec purely in hardware
13:47:15LinusNstill, nowadays "hardware" can mean an SoC
13:47:25preglowpossibility of hardware encoding
13:47:27preglowthat's saying nothing
13:47:34pregloweverything has the possibility of hardware encoding