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#rockbox log for 2008-04-12

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00:06:21Bagderwow, -14 bugs this week
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00:07:12X3Does rockbox have the capability to read from Apples Database? Even with a third party app?
00:07:31Bagderrockbox doesn't do that, no
00:08:36X3When you first start the Rockbox OS, you won’t see much. Rockbox has a file-based browser by default, which means that it browses the physical files on the iPod’s drive. Apple’s OS, on the other hand, keeps all the music files in a huge jumble of nonsensical hashed folders, and all of that within a hidden folder so you can’t even see it with Rockbox. Never fear, though. Rockbox has a program called TagCache t
00:08:56X3Kinda sounds like theres a way to do it
00:09:02Bagderthat's slightly inaccurate info
00:09:03BigBambiNo
00:09:05linuxstb_Where is that quote from?
00:09:21X3http://www.alwaysbeta.com/2006/08/24/how-to-dual-boot-your-ipod-with-rockbox/
00:09:26BigBambiX3: Tagcache reads the metadata on your files and builds the database from that
00:09:30linuxstb_TagCache is the old name for Rockbox's own database
00:09:48BigBambiX3: We cannot be responsible for inaccurate third party info
00:09:59linuxstb_That's almost two years old...
00:10:07X3yea I understand that I was just verifying whether it was correct or not
00:10:33Bagderthe database it speaks of is rockbox's own, not the apple one
00:10:34X3linuuxstb. Yes. But IF it was possible 2 years ago it would be possible today. (Probably)
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00:10:40BigBambiX3: The Rockbox database reads the metadata on your files and builds the database from that
00:10:46X3Ok thanks
00:10:55BigBambiX3: Only if someone who wants it writes it
00:11:07BigBambiI very much doubt you will find many devs using itunes
00:11:17n1shmm, gphoto2 also says the clock is 2006 nov, gnomad bug maybe...
00:11:19X3haha yea
00:11:49X3just a pain to duplicate files
00:12:13X3So i am going to try JUST rockbox and see if i like it better
00:12:23Bagderwhy duplicate files?
00:12:30Bagderyou mean databases?
00:12:45linuxstb_X3: As BigBambi said, Rockbox's own database feature will automagically build a database from the tags in your music files.
00:13:14X3But it wont play the songs right?
00:13:22Bagderyes it will
00:13:26linuxstb_No, it will play the songs right.
00:13:41linuxstb_(assuming they're not encrypted)
00:13:47X3So on rockbox, I can listen to songs on the Apple OS?
00:13:54BigBambiWhy would we build a database of songs we can't play?
00:14:00BigBambiX3: eh?
00:14:16BigBambiNo, you can listen to songs in Rockbox that you transfered using itunes
00:14:24BigBambiSo long as they are not DRM crippled
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00:14:38X3If i dualboot with the AppleIpod OS, Can I listen to the DRM free music that is in the Apple database.
00:14:43X3using Rockbox
00:14:43Bagderyes
00:14:57X3okay i see
00:15:17BigBambiBut the apple database is irrelevant
00:15:38X3?
00:15:57*Bagder gives up and heads to bed
00:16:02BigBambiThe Rockbox database will list all songs by their tags regardless of how you put them on your DAP - itunes/copy and paste/however the hell you want
00:16:38BigBambiAll the database does is build a database by scanning all the songs on your DAP and saving their tags
00:17:04BigBambiHow the songs got there / where they are saved / what the file names are / etc is irrelevant
00:17:18X3Yea I know
00:17:25X3Which is good
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00:17:38BigBambiSo therefore the Apple database is ireelevant
00:17:51X3ahhh i see
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00:56:34DerPapstdon't know if this has been asked already but i just noticed that the sim compiled with cygwin doesn't print anything to stdout anymore...
00:58:25peturwhoa... IllInstr in .ibss something really is borked :(
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01:15:00rmoore08anyone have a tut on how to dual boot using ipod loader
01:15:14rmoore08f
01:15:33n1sDerPapst: did it ever?
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01:15:38DerPapsthttp://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2
01:15:51DerPapstn1s: yes
01:16:09BigBambirmoore08: Be aware that loader 2 is off topic here - if you want support you will need to use the Rockbox bootloader
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01:17:04n1sDerPapst: then a binary chop of revisions will probably help
01:19:05DerPapstit has been introduced today...
01:19:43n1sI seem to remember it not working for a long time but I don't use cygwin myself
01:22:29pixelmaDerPapst: there were a few messages disabled ib the last week I believe . I get some messages but a lot less...
01:22:35pixelma*in
01:23:44DerPapsthmm...
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01:26:03pixelmasee r17019... and saratoga disabled the huge wma debug output around these days too
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01:27:21DerPapstah, i see :-)
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01:56:46webguest55woo rockbox irc :D
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02:00:02webguest55where can i find info on rockbox development for the new ipods (specifically, 3g nano)
02:00:59DerPapstnew prots forum
02:01:04DerPapstmost probably.
02:01:24DerPapstbut there isn't much news. no one is really working on it.
02:02:02pixelmaDerPapst: new prost forum? :P
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02:02:37DerPapst*ports
02:02:48DerPapstah well. :-P
02:02:55webguest55:O noone working on it
02:05:25webguest55that bites oh well
02:06:00webguest55i will continue using standard firmware and check back every now and then. i didnt really want rockbox anyway but it has an option to play mono which would be useful for me
02:06:06webguest55good luck with your coding all
02:06:10webguest55i wish i had programming skills :D
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02:06:47DerPapsteh?
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03:18:47RubberDucky132Hey guys, I don't want to fuss with the bmp resizer patch so can someone tell me the resolution I want to resize my album art to for a 5th gen ipod (320x240) with the default Rockbox theme?
03:19:37scorcheit depends on the theme
03:20:52RubberDucky132the default, cabbie 2.0
03:21:02RubberDucky132doesn't matter though i took a screenie and put it in PS and measured
03:21:05RubberDucky132it's 120x120 :P
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03:29:46rmoore08so i have rockbox installed. Its saying cant find .rockbox directory
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03:29:49rmoore08what do i do
03:30:45scorcheunzip the .zip file just like the manual says...
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03:32:05MrcheesenipsHow do I add RocketBox to my IPod Nano 1st gen?
03:32:34scorcheI dont know what RocketBox is...do you mean Rockbox?
03:32:45Mrcheesenipsoh yes sorry
03:32:59scorcheyou are going to want to read our fine manual ;)
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03:34:05Mrcheesenipsok
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03:40:30MrcheesenipsDoes the automatic installer install anything on my computer?
03:41:25scorche"install" in what sense?...windows sense? temporary files? libraries? backup?
03:42:02rmoore08peanuts?
03:43:40Mrcheesenipsnevermind...I downloaded the rockbox automatic installer and it said i insalled rockbox into my ipod. How do I acces it on my ipod?
03:44:06scorcheMrcheesenips: you shouldnt need to do anything...
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04:28:40lymecaSo I have a 4th gen 30gb here
04:28:59lymecaIt got bumped a bit dancing around
04:29:07lymecaBut now there is no sdc2
04:29:19lymecaSo the partition with Rockbox and the music data seemingly vanished
04:29:26lymecasdc1 exists but cannot be mounted
04:30:57lymecamount: you must specify the filesystem type
04:31:04lymecaI'm okay with that I guess
04:31:13lymecaI'm not okay with sdc2 disappearing
04:31:43aliaskSure you got the right drive?
04:31:48lymecaYes
04:31:57aliaskTry using a visual partition viewer - eg gparted
04:34:38DerPapstsdc1 is the raw firmware partition you can't mount it
04:35:59DerPapstif the mbr is broken you could try to dd a new one to your ipod.
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04:50:33MrcheesenipsI really like it so far..can I put videos on it?..on rockbox on my Ipod Nano 1st gen
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05:53:06soapvideos are discussed in the manual.
05:53:29soapand, yes, you can view full-speed video on the nano.
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06:12:51csc`scorche: what do you mean you dont know what rocketbox is? :P
06:13:18scorchedo you?
06:13:27csc`its a box with rockets on it
06:13:35csc`or an ipod with a jet engine
06:20:48lymecaI have a 30GB colour 4th gen
06:20:52lymecaI want to replace the MBR
06:20:55lymecahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
06:21:08lymecaThis doesn't have a link for a 4th gen 30GB MBR
06:21:51n17ikhso are videos on a portable player really practical? It seems good at first glance but is there a real use for it?
06:22:31csc`id say so
06:22:36csc`think about home movie clips
06:22:44scorchewell, this is subjective...
06:22:53n17ikhlike showing your co-workers your kids?
06:23:07csc`or that cool video you saw on the internet, having a portable player that can play them on the go without a pc is a good idea
06:23:14csc`but ive got a feeling this is offtopic :P
06:23:31scorcheand highly subjective so there isnt a "right answer"
06:23:41n17ikhwell, I figured it was on-topic, since it's a feature of rockbox
06:23:53n17ikhand I wanted the opinions of some people who actually use it
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06:24:46csc`its also a feature of the standard apple firmware for the most recent ipods
06:24:51csc`atleast, excluding the shuffle
06:25:55scorchen17ikh: it is more of a "social discussion" which would fit in great with the other channel :)
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06:29:06csc`scorche: maybe rb will get lucky and someone in SoC will break into the new nano's :)
06:29:25scorchewe arent going to accept a GSoC proposal for that
06:30:26csc`so if someone figured out how to interact with the 3rd generation nano, it still wouldnt be allowed? or just not from google
06:31:34scorchei think you misunderstand GSoC....all of the project picking and evaluating is all up to us...Google just funds it, etc
06:32:55csc`if the new nano's were supported, im not sure i would use rockbox on it anyway...ive become a podcast fiend lately and not sure how rockbox does with podcasts
06:33:01LloreanA 3rd Generation Nano port would be FAR too much work for one person to do over the space of summer. It wouldn't even be worth considering unless they had certain key information in advance.
06:34:04n17ikhI'd assume rockbox would play a podcast like it would any other music file
06:34:05scorchekey information including but not limited to: proven method for running code, ALL datasheets...
06:34:40n17ikhexcluding itunes' involvement
06:36:39n17ikhis the 3g nano even portalplayer-based?
06:37:03LloreanNo
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06:55:55DavidSGlymeca: There was a person here 2 days ago with the same problem I am not sure if he found the solution you might want to check the irc logs from that day arround this time to see.
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08:07:01rmoore08how do i exit doom or any other game ?
08:07:51LloreanDepends on your player. The manual should tell you.
08:07:59Mouser_XUse a sledgehammer. It'll solve (or break) nearly anything!
08:08:36rmoore08aslo
08:08:51rmoore08also. I clicked data base and it started searching
08:08:56rmoore08and it reached its limit
08:08:59rmoore08so i pressed previous
08:09:06rmoore08now how can i listen to the songs
08:10:16LloreanAre you saying they don't show up?
08:10:30rmoore08well i press database again and it continues searching
08:10:37rmoore08but the number doesnt go up any
08:11:04LloreanYou need to wait for it to actually finish.
08:11:08rmoore08ok
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08:16:44qwmscorche|sh: wake up.
08:17:33scorcheyes'm?
08:18:04Mouser_Xscorche? Sleep? Never!
08:18:11Mouser_XOr at least, very rarely.
08:18:24scorcheMouser_X: you could say it is an "inside joke line"
08:19:01BHSPitLappyWhen should we be expecting the e-mails to go out regarding the top-secret IRC meetings, scorche?
08:19:21rmoore08Llorean are you saying the database searching will eventually stop?
08:19:36rmoore08cause it just say building. and its not moving
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08:20:40Mouser_Xrmoore08: Ocasionally a user may do something to cause the database to become corrupted while building. You might have to delete the partial files, and start over.
08:21:00qwmscorche: are you doing ok?
08:22:02scorcheBHSPitLappy: remind me which name?
08:22:11scorcheqwm: uhhhh....fine?
08:22:12BHSPitLappyscorche, Eisenhauer
08:22:20qwmscorche: good to hear mate. :)
08:22:25rmoore08Mouser_X how? Can i Just delete a whole directory and start over
08:23:22Mouser_XThat'd be a bad idea. The database is stored in the .rockbox directory.
08:23:47Mouser_XIt's a set of files, but I can't remember their extension. I've only used the database 2 or 3 times in the last 15 months.
08:24:07Mouser_X(I don't have it on my Gigabeat right now.)
08:24:25rmoore08ahh
08:24:25scorcheBHSPitLappy: i am not sure...i thought gevaerts sent them out, but perhaps it was onyl some of them....actually, did you suggest a time good for you?
08:24:38BHSPitLappyscorche, yeah.
08:25:17BHSPitLappyI guess he would have used the address registered with GSoC?
08:26:04scorchei assume he is using his main .be address
08:26:18BHSPitLappyscorche, I meant mine :P
08:26:23scorcheoh...
08:26:58scorcheeither that or in a comment, or both
08:27:14BHSPitLappyActually, I got an e-mail from him originally about the meetings to begin with, so the line of communication is fine
08:27:18scorcheBHSPitLappy: put times good for you in a comment...just to make things handy
08:27:33rmoore08anyone know how i can restart setting up my database? I guess i corrupted mine
08:27:49scorchermoore08: delete the *.tcd files and try again
08:28:47rmoore08hmm... cant seem to find them
08:28:54rmoore08.rockbox directory?
08:29:17rmoore08found some *.cp
08:29:18scorcheyes
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08:29:45BHSPitLappyscorche, mmk.
08:30:22rmoore08no tcd files
08:36:00rmoore08ah nvm
08:36:02rmoore08never made them
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08:44:34rmoore08ok so i made teh tcd files...
08:44:41rmoore08and i still cant see database
08:45:32rmoore08http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache#Building_itdb2tc
08:45:38rmoore08ah i was using that. looks outdated
08:46:27scorchejust delete the tcd files again and follow the instructions in the manual
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09:24:26bttbMorning!
09:24:33peturyawn
09:24:37bttb:D
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09:26:04BHSPitLappyWell, I hope I don't get an e-mail requesting a meeting in the next 12 hours or so, as I'm going to bed :P
09:26:43peturI'm not planning to ;)
09:27:11bttbIs there a way to add ReplayGain to mp3s in Linux? I'm currently using Wine/foobar2000 to do that but I'd rather use a native app.
09:27:33bttbI'm interested in album gain btw
09:28:13scorchebttb: that is less of a Rockbox topic and a general audio question...
09:28:15bttbI mean I know LAME can write Track gain but I'm also looking for album gain.
09:28:23bttbTrue
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09:32:24bttbI have a rockbox question as well :) When clicking on "Install Themes" in rbutil I always get the message "No themes found". Is this functionality supposed to not work at the moment?
09:32:50scorchei assume you ahve an ipod video?
09:34:13scorchethose themes were removed from the server that the program parses due to some bandwidth issues...this should be fixed soon
09:34:33bttbAh, thank you!
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09:43:40bttbActually I don't really mind because I installed rockbox yesterday and the default theme looks pretty nice to me.
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09:55:19bttbIs it a known problem that access to an iPod 5G's harddisk (usb mass storage) is slower when rockbox is loaded then when the original firmware is loaded? In the first case I around 20% "wait" and in the latter 0% while doing the same task (scanning files with Wine/foobar2000 to add ReplayGain tags).
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09:56:06bttbs/case I/case I get
09:56:50bttbThis is a 60GB 5G
09:58:40n1sbttb: rockbox currently uses apple's built in emergency diskmode which is very slow on some ipods
09:59:08bttbAh, ok, at least it's not a bug. Thanks!
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10:13:42mrkikon1s: will this change in future?
10:14:15scorchemrkiko: hopefully
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10:20:02mrkikoIs the problem consisting on the fact that you should implement via software all those stuff needed to implement the usb-storage thing?
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10:22:21linuxstbmrkiko: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for progress
10:23:42mrkikolinuxstb: thank you
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