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#rockbox log for 2008-04-13

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00:01:51Buschelamiconn: can't track down the bug for now... maybe tomorrow is a better day
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00:08:16*petur wonders if amiconn already tried his CF mod?
00:08:31amiconnDidn't receive the card yet...
00:09:00peturoh
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00:10:25ffrHello. This isn't strictly a RB related question but indirectly it is. I want to make a new font and have downloaded font forge. I use cygwin. X starts OK but when I start fontforge nothing happens. I searched the internet but there are no real clues. Has anybody experienced this and knows how to fix the problem?
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00:13:51ffrIf that matters: I use cygwin *under Win XP*
00:14:58*Bagder has never tried it
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00:16:30ffrOk, I'll try fony (just found it on the UsefulTools page)
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00:25:38AT-wphi there, I just bought a Sansa e260v2. how far is the project with adapting rockbox to that hardware version? I am wondering whether to return it or wait for the port.
00:25:42[TiZ]Hey, is unifont included with Rockbox by default?
00:25:52ffrNo luck with fony. It can't correctly import bdf files.
00:26:01BagderAT-wp: not very far, there isn't a lot of work going on with it...
00:26:20BagderAT-wp: the main obstacle probably being that we know of no rescue or recovery mode
00:26:32ffr[TiZ]: I think you have to download the font pack
00:26:42[TiZ]I'll just include it with my theme, then.
00:27:15ffr[TiZ]: no need to do this, just say your theme requires unifont. It's huge.
00:27:41[TiZ]Huge?
00:28:08[TiZ]Oh, jeez!
00:28:08AT-wpBadger: damn. a friend of mine recommended the player and rockbox and I was hoping that amazon still carries v1. too bad, but thanks anyway. can you recommend something like this player?
00:28:12[TiZ]1.32 MB!
00:28:15 Quit RubberDucky132 ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008032620]")
00:28:45BigBambi[TiZ]: The install instructions say to install the font pack - without the font pack Rockbox comes with only the built in font
00:28:45BagderAT-wp: the BuyersGuide wiki page is probably the most suitable resource
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00:29:07BigBambi[TiZ]: So I think it is safe to assume that people will have it installed - if they don't, they have no other fonts either
00:29:18[TiZ]Alrighty then. Thanks for that info.
00:29:23BagderAT-wp: there are early work on some targets that are still available in shops... but all existing supported targets are no longer manufactured
00:29:27amiconnBigBambi: Not entirely true anymore. The fonts required by the included themes are included in the standard .zip
00:29:27BigBambiActually, I think the font for Cabbiev2 is in the zip now too, but the bulk of the point stands
00:29:39Bagderbut now bed-time for me
00:29:41BigBambiamiconn: I just beat you :)
00:30:07AT-wpBagder: missed that one. all out of production? not my day. thanks and good night
00:31:00amiconnE.g. on H1x0, 3 fonts are shipped standard: nedore-9, nimbus-12 and helvR10
00:31:41BigBambiDammit, I was half right :)
00:33:05AT-wpbye
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00:39:21*petur is finally getting closer to his bootloader crash
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00:39:54r0rshachhi
00:42:36r0rshachso ive got the broken iriver 140 and broken iaudio x5 I was able to open mycreative zen (it works) vision m 30 gigger I want to test the other two devices by putting the zens hdd in, is this safe or do i need to format after I backup this drive?
00:42:59r0rshachsorry if this isnt the right place but i know you guys know alot about players
00:43:44peturif the drive fits you can try
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00:44:25r0rshachok thanks peter
00:44:26peturr0rshach: maybe this can help: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
00:44:29[TiZ]I think I need to pastebin my readme file to make sure its license stuff is alright. O_o
00:44:48r0rshachpetur it did yes, the only thing it doesn have listed is my zen
00:44:54r0rshachbut i compare them and they are the same size
00:45:09peturnot the size, check the connector ;)
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00:45:26r0rshachthat is also the same, thanks :)
00:45:29peturzen is a new target - not supported yet and not all data up to date
00:45:50r0rshachits got the oval black post an circular one like the others
00:45:59[TiZ]Here's my readme: http://eternaleon.googlepages.com/Readmedamnit.txt
00:46:07[TiZ]Would anyone mind reading over it to make sure it's okay?
00:46:22*amiconn thinks that 'Zen' is creative's brand of daps, not a single model
00:46:33[TiZ]Zen is a brand.
00:46:40n1sr0rshach: iirc the creative players have some custom partition stuff so the other players will probably need the disk to be repartitioned/formatted before they can use it
00:46:43[TiZ]A single model would be, for example, the Zen Vision M, I think
00:47:38r0rshachnls but if i plug it in, and i just want to see if it will recognize it, thats ok to try right? the zen doesnt has the official firmware btw
00:47:55Llorean[TiZ]: You can't redistribute pictures you don't have a license to. "I found them on my hard disk" doesn't qualify as permission to share them.
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00:47:56r0rshachi mean it is the official firmware sorry
00:48:03[TiZ]Ugh!
00:48:05n1sr0rshach: it shouldn't hurt
00:48:17[TiZ]That just made everything 1 million times harder.
00:48:38[TiZ]Okay, so what do you suggest I do?
00:48:59LloreanI also don't see a license for the "Steady as she goes" wallpaper
00:49:03BigBambiFind where they came from and get permission, or replace them with imges that you do have permission to distribute
00:49:20[TiZ]Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. All of my efforts are totally shot.
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00:49:45[TiZ]Well, I have a deviantart account. I can at least get ahold of the creator of Steady as she Goes
00:49:52BigBambiSorry, but that is how copyright works
00:50:05[TiZ]But those other backdrops; I spent a lot of time putting them together, and I don't want them to go to waste.
00:50:22BigBambiThen you need to find the copyright holders and get permission
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00:52:41[TiZ]So... There's no way I can distribute them at all? Like, not even under some hyper-restrictive license? It would be incredibly difficult to find the sources for the two pictures that the backdrops are made from.
00:52:52BigBambiSorry...
00:52:57LloreanNo, there's no way you can distribute them without permission to do s.
00:52:59Lloreanso
00:53:11[TiZ]How depressing.
00:54:08[TiZ]Well, I guess I'd better go scouring over DeviantART. Just the one backdrop won't do.
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01:03:56[TiZ]I can't even include them if I upload to rockbox-themes.org?
01:04:24BigBambiYou cannot distribute anything you do not have the rights to distribute
01:04:39BigBambiIt doesn't matter where you try to distribute them to
01:04:46[TiZ]Ugh... You have no idea how much I hate this.
01:05:00BigBambiSo complain to your government
01:05:09BigBambiInternational copyright law isn't our fault
01:05:19[TiZ]I understand that.
01:05:54peturbut then don't come complaining if somebody starts selling the wps you created without giving you credit...
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01:06:15[TiZ]Well... The backdrops were technically made by me, though. I spent a lot of work on them.
01:06:22[TiZ]The WPS itself will be fine.
01:06:47Horschti don't think "technically" is enough
01:07:18BigBambiEspecially as technically they were made by someone else and modified by you
01:07:23peturI meant: in your readme file you request credit when the wps is passed along. The creator of the image you used also desrves it...
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01:07:51[TiZ]The WPS itself is my code and the silk icons.
01:08:15[TiZ]The backdrops are just included. In my eyes, they aren't actually part of the WPS.
01:08:28BigBambiFine, but you cannot distribute them
01:08:40BigBambiIt doesn't matter what they are or are not part of
01:08:55BHSPitLappyEven creative commons licenses specify variations.
01:09:07BHSPitLappyCopyright protects those, too.
01:09:47[TiZ]Silk's license says that it can be used and modified for non-commerical stuff as long as credit is given in the form of a link to the website.
01:09:54[TiZ]My readme clearly fulfills that.
01:09:59[TiZ]The only probelm area right now
01:10:02[TiZ]Is the backdrops.
01:10:09BigBambiExactly
01:10:16BHSPitLappyTake care of that.
01:10:21BigBambiYou can distribute what you like without the backdrops
01:10:27BHSPitLappyOr use an original backdrop.
01:10:33[TiZ]The one girl.bmp... The one included with the first Twilight way back when (and probably the reason it was deleted)
01:10:47[TiZ]I just need to get permission from *KariNeko on DeviantART, right?
01:10:58[TiZ]She's the creator, by the way
01:11:06LloreanYou need an explicit written permission, yes
01:11:09BigBambiThen yes
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01:11:14LloreanIn the form of, for example, a license statement.
01:11:14[TiZ]...
01:11:18BHSPitLappyI should finish the WPS I was working on a long time ago... I believe the format is a little different now, though
01:11:21[TiZ]Define "Explic- Damn it!
01:11:25LloreanIt needs to be something you can include with the WPS.
01:11:40BigBambiI would imagine (although I don't know) that to submit something to deviant art it needs a licence
01:12:00[TiZ]Maybe DeviantART itself imposes a license upon everything submitted to it.
01:12:05LloreanBigBambi: I think submitting it simply includes a "you give DeviantArt license to display it", but no other explicit license beyond that.
01:12:11r0rshachok well this is pretty sweet
01:12:24BigBambiLlorean: OK, I've never checked myself
01:12:26BHSPitLappydA lets you choose between CC licenses, and defaults to All Rights Reserved
01:12:42BHSPitLappy(by the author.)
01:13:07r0rshachmy cowon has the creative hdd and rockbox boot loader came up and it said no partition founder, its charging, but i think I can order a drive and install rockbox on it and the x5 should work fine
01:13:09[TiZ]Is there a dA search filter for CC licenses?
01:13:21BHSPitLappyProbably, why don't you ask them?
01:13:35BigBambi[TiZ]: Don't know, that is OT for here
01:13:37BHSPitLappyThis isn't a deviantArt support channel.
01:13:49[TiZ]You guys are right.
01:13:55[TiZ]We're way offtopic now.
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01:14:02[TiZ]Conversation = over.
01:14:07linuxstb[TiZ]: Out of curiousity, why did you choose the "non-commercial" CC license?
01:14:11amiconnVery interesting.....
01:14:24*amiconn found another difference between PP5020 and PP5022
01:15:00[TiZ]linuxstb: I don't know. It just seemed like what made sense to me. RockBox isn't made for money. None of the other themes are. So why should mine or any theme based on it?
01:15:06amiconnIPL explains the clock skipping bit, and lists 4 possible units that can be counted: clock cycles, usecs, msecs, and secs
01:15:22linuxstb[TiZ]: Rockbox's license allows commercial use though.
01:15:30amiconnBut seconds only work on PP5022; on PP5020 the core doesn't wake up again
01:15:33[TiZ]Does it? I guess I oughta change it then.
01:16:15amiconnOtherwise, IPL is more detailed on this than our pp5020.h is - I'll change that
01:16:33linuxstbamiconn: Does Rockbox use that feature?
01:16:54amiconnNot yet, but I'm thinking about making use of clock skipping in udelay()
01:17:09amiconnWon't use seconds though - not really necessary
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01:25:31[TiZ]Looks like I'm not going to be submitting my theme for a while.
01:25:55[TiZ]Oh, that's right. OT. Sorry.
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01:26:58Horschtwhy don't you find a suitable replacement?
01:28:12[TiZ]That's what I'm trying to do. There's no filter for CC on dA, and I don't know of places where I can easily find CC images.
01:28:24[TiZ]That's off-topic, though.
01:30:19scorcheforums are going down...
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01:39:11[TiZ]Today has been nothing but let-downs. I'm off for now.
01:39:13[TiZ]Peace.
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01:39:55scorchesorry for informing you about law?
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03:16:01KayosCan someone help me?
03:16:37KayosAnyone?
03:17:18KayosWhere do I put my video's for rockbox>
03:17:24Kayos?*
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03:17:42Horschtanywhere you want
03:17:47KayosWhere
03:17:54KayosLike so my Ipod reads it
03:18:00Horschtanywhere you want
03:18:13KayosOn the root of the ipod is ok?
03:18:41Horschtwhat's so hard to understand about "anywhere"?
03:18:59KayosHoly fuck just wondering, dumbass -.-
03:20:53scorchelats keep this civil...
03:21:09scorcheKayos: most people make a folder in the root named "Music" or some such
03:21:15scorches/lats/lets
03:23:36Horschtso, Kayos. Acting like i haven't read your last line, you should also read this wiki link: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
03:23:44Horschtit will help you get videos working
03:23:54Horschtjust in case you haven't yet
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03:41:06Kephuhi again
03:41:41KephuI have a question: I've read the manual, the wiki, but still can't find how to change the rating of a song played?
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04:15:27shenson_`hi, I'm trying to use the rockbox instructions to convert my 2GB ipod nano to vfat and I dded the proper image to it. But now sfdisk says the 2nd partition extends beyond the end of the disk and I can't format and mount the second partition vfat, anyone have an idea of whats going on?
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04:44:25MarkRogersHi All. I've created an FM presets list for my city that I'd like to add to the Rockbox wiki. Could someone please give me write access? Thanks.
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04:51:14soapMarkRogers, you still here?
04:53:02MarkRogersyes
04:53:10soapwhen you see this, MarkRogers, say a few words regarding your position on spam in the wiki, and I'll add you.
04:53:45MarkRogersI think spam is deplorable.
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04:53:49MarkRogersespecially in a wiki.
04:54:25soapand for the turing test.
04:55:26soapassuming you are heterosexual, Bjork or Allison Goldfrapp?
04:56:04LloreanWhat if we just have this thing for really, really, REALLY weird girls?
04:56:40MarkRogersBetween the two, I'd go with Allison
04:56:57soapThanks for playing "Join The Wiki"
04:57:01soap;)
04:57:05soap(you're in)
04:57:15MarkRogers(thanks)
04:59:17preglowed
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05:27:57alienbiker99can the gigabeat s power off now?
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05:34:11JdGordoncan anyone see my stupid mistrake here? http://pastebin.ca/983196
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05:37:38LloreanI don't see anything obvious. What's happening?
05:38:10JdGordonits not working :p
05:38:30JdGordonthe y one seems to work, x doesnt work at all
05:38:32LloreanAh, wait
05:38:42LloreanShouldn't it be (LCD_HEIGHT/3)/Y ?
05:38:53LloreanOh nevermind
05:38:54LloreanSorry
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05:40:26Transienceis anyone in here familiar with Creative Wizard? I'm having trouble uploading modified firmware to the player
05:42:09*Llorean doesn't even know what Creative Wizard is
05:43:23LloreanJdGordon: Have you taken the simple step of writing a small routine to output the X and Y value, and then the y/(LCD_HEIGHT/3 and x/(LCD_WIDTH/3 to make sure nothing weird is happening simply with the values?
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05:44:51scorcheLlorean: he doesnt debug...you should know this ;)
05:45:25JdGordonyes, ive been sitting in the bootloader watching button values scroll
05:45:31JdGordonbut, i think i found the problem
05:45:41*Llorean is quite curious what it was
05:45:50JdGordonstupidly using the touchpad values and not the point values :p I tihnk
05:45:58LloreanThat'd do it, yes.
05:46:10LloreanThat was more or less what I was thinking might be happening.
05:48:42jhMikeSalienbiker99: it will just reboot atm
05:48:54JdGordonyay, seems to be working
05:49:06JdGordontime to fix some keymaps
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05:52:07alienbiker99jhMikeS can you choose to reset into the OF?
05:52:44webguest36hi,i have a problem with my ipod nano,its a 1st gen 1GB ipod nano
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05:53:19webguest36it wont turn on,i shut down it yesterday and wont get back
05:53:24webguest36after using rockbox
05:53:30jhMikeSalienbiker99: depends on the hold switch
05:53:41webguest36the hold switch is off
05:53:48webguest36i know about the hold switch
05:54:03Lloreanwebguest36: He didn't say that to you.
05:54:34Lloreanwebguest36: What you need to do is turn hold on then off again, then hold Menu+Select for up to 30 seconds. If this doesn't work, keep trying it. As long as the battery isn't dead, it should eventually work.
05:54:35alienbiker99ah ok, thanks. i saw the commit before
05:54:39webguest36oh dear,sorry about this behaviour,my apolofies
05:55:33webguest36well the battery wont be dead coz even if it has more than 1 or 2 years it has less use
05:55:46webguest36is there other way to get it back
05:55:55Lloreanwebguest36: I told you what to do...
05:55:58webguest36im doing hard resests
05:56:05LloreanAre you turning hold on and off first?
05:56:11LloreanAnd are you really holding for a whole 30 seconds?
05:56:15webguest36i did it twice
05:56:54webguest36and it just blinks twice
05:56:59LloreanBlinks?
05:57:07webguest36the backlight blinks twice
05:57:07LloreanYou didn't mention any blinking in your first statement
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05:57:25LloreanWhat exactly happens?
05:57:36webguest36i try to start it by pluggin in the charger
05:57:54webguest36well,what happens its that i do the reset and it blinks twice
05:58:06webguest36and wont appear the apple logo
05:58:32LloreanIf the apple logo won't appear, something else is wrong with your player, since that happens before any Rockbox code is run
05:58:35LloreanHave you tried disk mode?
05:58:43webguest36yeah
05:59:02webguest36im trying to get into disk mode
05:59:08LloreanDisk mode is in flash. If it won't work, there's something else wrong with your player entirely
05:59:46webguest36i plug the ipod to the pc and it wont be detected
05:59:58webguest36even the ipod dont turn on
05:59:58Lloreanthat's not how you get to disk mode
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06:00:06LloreanYou hold menu+select and the instant it starts to reboot, you hold select+play
06:00:40webguest36but how i get to disk mode if it dont reboots
06:00:44webguest36thats why i cant
06:01:02LloreanIt is rebooting, that's why the screen's flashing. It's just failing immediately after
06:01:07LloreanYou could also try diagnostic mode
06:01:39webguest36how?
06:02:09LloreanI don't recall. The instructions are in the official apple support information
06:02:16LloreanI think it may be select+left, but I'm not sure
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06:14:41webguest36bye and thanks for the help,im off,now the ipod has other place :(
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06:23:39drfeelgoodis there anybody here
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06:26:52JdGordonthe D2 has 3 buttons does it?
06:27:02LloreanYup
06:28:00JdGordonconfig says 4?
06:28:10LloreanLemme double check
06:28:38LloreanThere's three buttons, and a switch that is for hold/power
06:28:46JdGordonrighto
06:28:52JdGordoneither way.. its more than 1 :p
06:29:14LloreanYes
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06:42:47NulinyaHi.
06:49:24NulinyaI was looking into speech programs for iPods and ran across this website.
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09:24:57jhMikeSJdGordon: hmmm
09:27:26amiconnjhMikeS: I have a few questions as well...
09:28:52*jhMikeS waits for the questions
09:29:07amiconnOk, first 2 are mpegplayer related
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09:30:19amiconn(1) in stream_mgr.c, you're reserving the greylib memory. I think there are 2 possible simplifications. (a) the greylib automatically cachealigns now, so the CACHEALIGN* stuff could be removed
09:30:53amiconn(b) The memsize <= 0 check seems redundant, as the greylib is guaranteed to not take more memory than allowed
09:31:01jhMikeSit was nescessary at the time
09:31:16jhMikeSdoes it size align too?
09:31:55jhMikeSI suppose if it does one, it must do the other
09:32:02amiconnyes
09:32:26amiconngrey_core.c lines 511..518
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09:33:18amiconnIt aligns the start address to a cache line boundary, and then rounds up the plane_size to a multiple of the cache line length too
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09:33:51amiconnIt reserves either 2 or 3 chunks of plane_size (2 for unbuffered, 3 for buffered operation)
09:35:57amiconnWhat's probably still necessary is the UNCACHED_ADDR() in the grey_init() call, because mpegplayer probably wants the chunky buffer be uncached too (the one where buffered mode functions draw into)
09:37:18jhMikeSit must be or drawing doesn't work out too well with the OSD
09:37:31amiconnyes, that's what I thought
09:37:53amiconnQuestion (2) is related to disk_buf.c. I tried to find the place where buffering stops because of buffer full, but failed. When the buffer gets full, it should call rb->ata_sleep(); like the music playback engines do
09:38:10amiconnSo where would I place that?
09:42:07jhMikeSyou mean just during streaming?